September 4, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode of The Deal, Alex Rodriguez and Jason Kelly speak with Pau Gasol about his Hall of Fame basketball career, both in the US and in Spain. Gasol tells the hosts how he sees the growth of basketball internationally, the power of the Olympics to grow the game, why he saw value in investing in the WNBA via Gasol16 Ventures, and what he learned both on and off the court from his friend and teammate Kobe Bryant.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome back to the Dlam Jason Kelly alongside Alex Rodriguez. A. Right,
today we are at the Big Power Players event in
New York City. We've got a couple of big interviews
lined up. We're gonna be on stage with a lot
of powerful sports people doing our thing. But today you're
gonna hear our conversation with Pau Gasol. This guy, Alex
he blew me away. I mean, his experience as a
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player now is an investor, He's got a huge amount
of ambition.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I mean, for me, the two takeaways was the breath
of his experience globally and what an asset he can
be not only to the NBA and to the w
but to all leagues because he really has a really
good understanding. I think our listeners are going to really
like it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, some amazing insights from him. You know, this is
a guy who really was in one of the key
waves of international players coming into the league. We take
this for granted now. I know you probably take it
for granted even and a little bit given some of
the superstars you have on your roster, you know, but
this was something that really dates back, and he talks
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about some key moments in his hometown of Barcelona that
really set him, you know, on a path not just
to be a star, but as you say, to sort
of pay the way for this next generation. So a
really fun conversation coming up next to Pelgasol. Welcome back
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to the DAL. I'm your host, Jason Kelly, alongside my
partner Alex Rodriguez. So excited to have with us today.
Pau Gasol. He is a Hall of Fame basketball player,
he's an investor, a man about town, a man about
the world. How really good to see you. Thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh my pleasure, Jason, thank you for having me. Alex.
It's a pleasure to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah. So let's jump right in. I mean, how you
sit at such an interesting nexus of the things that
we care most about, you know, business, sports, culture, And
one of the things that strikes me is this moment
where we are in the game of basketball, and in
a lot of ways, your career anticipated and was a
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harbinger of where we are today. It's a global game,
it's international. We take that for granted now, but you
were really on the on the front end of that.
Tell us sort of how basketball got so popular over
these intervening years as a global game.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, it's been a process, right, If it's been a long,
long term process. I think it starts a lot with
international competitions. You know how probably the US teams in
Olympics and World Championships before there were college players. And
how the probably the latest championships before the ninety two
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Olympics kind of led to USA basketball sending finally a
team with the best professional players, the big Boys. The
big Boys. Yeah, the original dream team that happened to
be in my home country, in my natal city of
Barcelona in ninety two, when I just turned twelve years old.
So obviously that that team inspired I think a lot
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of kids around the globe and showed how basketball could
be played at the highest level and give us a
dream to a lot of kids. So I think that
that was a big, big moment. You saw already great
international players playing the game at that at that time,
Saboni's Marsha, Leni's cool coach, you know, Raja players, Devas,
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a lot of Devas that also was one of the
first guys. And you also saw the Rick Smiths, the
deadline shrimps. You know, you got that first wave of
international players. It was like, there's great talented players outside
of the US that play at a high level. And
that brought us to the second wave of players, you know,
with the derk Novisky's, with the Tony Parkers, the under
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Kilnkos and bejos Soyakovic myself. That took it a step further,
and then I think gave more confidence to NBA teams
to continue to invest and spend time outside of the
US borders to look for outside talent, develop outside talent too,
and you kind of take a gamble if you will,
or invest in them and gave them an opportunity. So yeah,
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I think the basketball the NBA has done a great
job also doing all kinds of stuff and efforts outside
of the US, playing global games, basketball without borders, Junior
or NBA. There's a lot of basketball academies now, so
they've done a great job also putting a lot of
time and effort and investment outside of that, allowing the
game to grow, the business to grow, and the game
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to become so global.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And so as you think about sort of where we
are today, Pow, as you mentioned, you know, there's sort
of the first wave, you're part of the second wave,
and then there's this probably third wave that we're living in.
And you know, I think about Alex's team in Minnesota.
He's got a couple international players who are absolute superstars,
you know, really bear to sort of being the veteran
And it came into play in the draft as well.
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How does the game think about, especially from the NBA's perspective,
you know, really making its imprint on Europe in a
way that both sort of respects what's already there but
also leverages its own power as a business, the NBA
that is, So how would you think about that? What's
your advice there?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, I think the NBA is working proactively in that
particular matter, precisely with the establishment or launching of a
potential NBA European League, because the European League model has
not worked very well. We have, it's a great product,
great level of basketball, all the arenas are packed, it
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doesn't make money. My opinion is that it's just been
poorly governed and the model it just needs to evolve
and change. So you know that that's where the opportunity lies,
that's where the need is, and that's what it's been
kind of in the works for a couple of years,
more proactively and intensively, and now we get into a
point that we're finally seeing the light on that aspect,
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and it's very exciting because all it's going to do,
I think, is provide the European League with i think
a much more competitive side and edge, and hopefully a
league that can grow and get to have teams that
are able to compete with the best teams in the NBA,
and also for players to be able to have the
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option that there's no such a big gap from the
level or the salaries, let's say, and it's more uniformed,
and we'll see how it evolves and what the potential
of growth is there. But there's no question that the
NBA has become very international within itself at US and
American soil. We're just trying to see this in a
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great spot. Obviously, we're seeing the latest sales, the evaluations
continue to grow, so it's great to see, very exciting.
It's also great to see how the women's game is
also growing and evolving and finally getting the impact, the
relevance also and the notoriety that it deserved. So it's
exciting times It's exciting times for basketball, exciting times for sports.
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There's there's eruption, there's investment. There's a lot going on
and a lot happening. But that's why we need great
people also to take responsibility, to be able to define
this new direction and take a little bit the reins
of where sport is going and where you can.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Go pressures on you, Alex. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Following up on Jason Powell, you know, there's some similarities
between Major League Baseball and what Latin America was to
MOB baseball. I was just incredible talent pool. Probably thirty
forty percent of MB baseball came from Latin America, whether
it's Dominican, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba. Thirty percent of the league
comes from outside of the US. So I'm fairly new
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to the NBA and the w What advice would you
give my partner and I mark on how do we
put our best foot forward on a global stage so
players like you, the next twelve year old can say, boy,
I want to be in Minnesota Timberwolves or I want
to go play for the Minnesota Links. What can we
do better or more of?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah? I mean, I'll have to see what you guys
are already doing to give you a better and more
accurate response there, But it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Sounds like you should hire Pal as a consultant. Alex,
I mean, I'm I'm looking at this happening right here
in front.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Of me opening. But at any time, Yeah, obviously you
have to. I think you have to get people with
with a different, different view, experience and background that kind
of think out outside of the box a little bit
and and and can provide some some ideas that will
complement yours and your partners. Definitely. I think people that
did have that global background or an international background and
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getting get him involved in the franchise. One of the
opportunities challenges is to how do you get you know,
former players more involved and playing a significant role that
provides value to teams, beyond the player development, beyond on
the coaching, beyond the broadcasting, beyond the kind of the
more traditional, let's say avenues. To me, I think one
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of the issues is kind of providing more education to
some of those players to be able to vertialize, express
and channel the knowledge and experience that they have in
order to provide value to professional franchises, leagues and so forth.
There's definitely something that I you know, continue to do
well as far as marketing the product overseas, put your
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name in the pool, as far as like hey, we'd
love to go play games in these markets, you know,
whether the preseasons where the regular seasons, like we're seeing
games in Pairers London that have have happened and will
continue to happen. So just just continue to get out
of that comfort zone to put your franchise name in
the global stage. Obviously, you have a great team right
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now that has been very close to get into that
that final stage and just continue. That's obviously something that
you have to take advantage of. As you know, there's
there's windows in professional sports. You know, you don't know
when that window is going to close, so you got
to maximize it at all levels in order to produce
those waves that will have an effect meet to long
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term within your franchise, on your club. So you're doing
you guys are doing a great job. I'm excited to
see you playing these role. Alex. You've been an incredible
ambassador for for sport, for baseball obviously, but beyond that,
and I love to see it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Thank you, thank you, and so pow you know, sort
of synthesizing a couple of things you've been talking about.
I mean, you think about these windows of opportunity. You know,
you mentioned the opportunities around women's basketball and specifically the
w I believe you've invested, you know in WW and
so tell us about the decision to do that and
sort of where you see this going over the next
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few years. Because Alex is living it every day as
the governor of the LINKS, I see it, you know
through my work. This is a critical moment and nothing
is guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. Well, I was part of the executive committee on
the NBP for a few years and one of the
topics that kind of came, but what's kind of recurring.
I would say, how can we help the women? How
can we help the w n B A And it
was all the conversations were a lot about we got
to support him monetarily. It was like, okay, well that's
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that's good, and that sure helps in the short term,
but what can we do in the longer term? I said, Okay,
we got to get more involved in the game. Yes,
go into games, help supporting our women athletes, endorsing the game,
being ambassadors, being allies, all that is great, all the above,
but now, can we can we invest? Can we commit
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to it, you know and believe in it? Because to me,
part of it too was you know, obviously Kobe's legacy
an example. You know, he had four daughters. You know,
he had Gigi was going to be a phenomenal player
and was a phenomenal player. So he was already doing
a lot to create that momentum. So I just wanted to,
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you know, kind of follow suit a little bit. I'm
a girl dad myself. I wanted my girl. I want
my girl to have the same opportunities as my son does.
There's been this huge gap between women's sports and men's sports,
So that was one way for me. That was an
opportunity that came. It was a capital race due to COVID.
The league needed capital, and I was able to hear
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about this opportunity having good relationships, having nurtured good relationships,
and he said, hey, do you want to invest in
this round? I said yes, absolutely, so I jumped in.
And now I'm looking into investing in a WNBA franchise directly,
and I've been talking to several to see which one
makes the most sense for me to be involved with
and invest directly. I love to see how the game
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is growing. I was at the All Star weekend in
Indianapolis with my wife supporting the game, supporting the event again,
developing more relationships there as well. And I'm looking at
a lot of different other you know, women's sports that
I that I could be a part of and invest
me being part of the International Olympic Committee and being
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a member there. I just want to see sports continue
to grow because with technology growing as fast as it is,
we just kind of counter it with balance, and sports
gives gives our kids so many great avenues to develop
and to grow up healthy. And that's that's also part
of what I what I want to continue to do.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting too pout it to think
about it. You know. Is this blend of you know,
obviously having had the experience as an athlete as you
both have, and understanding the power of sports, but also
understanding this is a growth investment area. We're all about
deals here, I mean presumably part of what you're seeing
here because you're also a very savvy investor. You know,
you have Gasol sixteen Ventures, which is sort of your
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consolidated effort is it fair to say you see sort
of like accelerated upside in women's sports as well.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, absolutely, I truly do. There was a point in
time when I made that investment, there was like investing
in women's sports not the right thing, but it's good business.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, So it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Wasn't just like, oh, we feel morally compelled to invest
and support women's sports. No, it's actually a really good business.
There was a smart thing to do. Yes, it has
other implications, but from the business standpoint, you know, if
we start shifting kind of the money the way it's
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been invested in sports, we'll see the results. We'll see
the returns in many different ways. So yes, that's kind
of I totally believe in that, and that's why I'm
also doing that as well, because I'd see great opportunities
and I see great growth going forward.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Why don't you shift a little bit to your Laker days.
I know that you and I share something in common
and where we both played for two storied franchises, the
Yankees and the Lakers, as really as big as they get.
I played for an iconic owner and George Steinbrunner, and
you felt his presence every day. You still do when
he's passed almost fifteen years ago. I'm wondering, how was
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your experience with Doctor Buss and Jeanie Buss. I've always
been a big Laker fan. I used to love Showtime
with pat Riley and Magic against the Celtics and Larry
Bird and that crew. In your opinion and your experience,
obviously winning two titles helps. Was there anything you learned
from Doctor Buss or the family on what makes the
Lakers such an incredible franchise.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, it was something that was very embedded, I think
to the family, you know, the feeling, the passion for
the Lakers. How he was able to really turn around
and create an iconic franchise having moved from Minneapolis. The
whole deal has just been you know, it's an incredible story.
When Genie took over, I think she's done an unbelievable
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job to doing that kind of carrying over her dad
and her family's legacy. It was a family business and
he was almost run as such. And there's a special
care that goes into when you kind of go all
in and that's your wealth, that's your life, you know,
that's you leave and breathe it. You know, he was
a pioneer, a genius, a great mind that added things
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that impacted the not just the Lakers, but the league
and its entirety. So I have great respect for doctor Buss,
great respect for the family, obviously honor that I was
able to be a part and I'm a part of
that franchise forever having my name retired in the rafters
along all the greatest Lakers of all time. So obviously
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that's been one of my biggest honors that my not
just my career, with my life now exciting to to see.
I think how all that hard working commitment has paid
off with the latest sell ten billion dollars dollars of valuation.
And we hope to be just as exciting as a
previous one or as a current one. And obviously always
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will be rooting for my Lakers and hoping that they
do great, and hope that I cannot to that picture
as well in some shape or form.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And pal Obviously, the time of the Lakers establishes one
of the most important relationships in your life. Your friendship,
deep friendship and connection with Kobe Bryant and his family,
a relationship with his family that I know continues to
this day. I wonder from your perspective, what you learned
from Kobe as a businessman, because he was a deal maker,
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probably unlike many we've seen. Alex obviously is his top
tier magic who's been on the show is top tier.
But you know, Kobe, it's sad to think about, like
how much more he could have done as a businessman.
And I'm sure you think about it all the time,
But what did you learn from him that you apply
as a deal maker?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I think what I'm learn from him is, you know,
he shifted kind of his mama mentality into the business
side or into every aspect really that he got involved
with after brasketball, and he was like, we're the best
in the business. Let me reach out to him, let
me ask questions, kind of the same thing that he
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did with Michael as a mentor. You know, he said, hey, man,
he is the guy that I want to be like. Well,
then that when I surpassed, not just be like, I
want to be better than him. He's the best, he's
the goat. Great. I'm going to I'm going to learn
from him. I'm going to just you know, call him
up anytime and ask him questions and and I want
to you know, be better than him. So same same
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thing I think I think he did as a business
or on the business side. He just identified people that
were doing a great job or were some of the
best in the business and connected with him and proactively
just kind of got together with him and created great
relationships and channel that that drive, that unique drive that
he had into the business side, into doing you know,
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when even winning an oscar. So, Okay, we're going to
do a short film, to do a short film, but
I want to make the best short film you know
there is, and I'm going to partner and learn from
the best, and we're going to put a great team,
just as you would do in sports, and get after
the championship, you know. And that's that's in the I
guess in the movie side, movie world is winning an oscar,
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you know, same thing in business. And he was doing
stuff to also help his peers because there's a lot
of athletes that are I won't say lost, but I'll
say maybe they do. They do lack of direction and
proper structure around him and guidance. So he wanted to
help athletes to be more educated, to provide them with
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opportunities and avenues for them to be financially stable for
the rest of their lives, which is the you know,
the greatest part of our of their life or of
our life being former athletes. So how can we do that?
How can we address that issue where most athletes, pro
athletes that have won and earned millions of dollars go
bankrupt within a few years of their retirement. So he
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was trying to address that issue, so again learning, asking questions,
identifying who's the best reaching out, he said, I don't
want to be the smartest guy in the room. I
want to surround myself with great smart people. And I'll
add to that, you know. And that's kind of what
I've learned from him a lot. I think that's something
that Magic also has said also on different occasions. He said,
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I don't know much about business, but I know he does.
So I'm going to talk to him and you know,
and I'm going to use my platform and my success
as an athlete that provides me with that access, a
unique access, and I'm going to maximize it and I'm
going to take advantage of So.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Pow I had a really strong relationship with Kobe and
we were contemporaries and where we came around the similar
time we both entered the league as teenagers. When my
knee was hurting, he basically screamed at me and said,
you got to get to Germany and go take care
of it. I did. It worked really well, and I
came back and played well and my knee felt great
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after that. But I remember he would watch the Yankee
games on the S Network and he would say, Hey,
call me, and he would tell me, don't forget who
the f you are, don't worry about the booze, don't
worry about this, just go be you. And then he
would start telling me, like to start getting my elbow lower.
And that's when I said, okay, sob, I got this.
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That's when I had Yeah, yeah, I draw the line.
But shifting Jason's question on the court, what was it
about him that you learned? And I'm sure you taught
each other a lot, But what was it about him
that made him so special that made it so much
fun to play with?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I guess his desire to be the best. His work
ethic was just incredible, The level of dedication and commitment
to it. Yeah, he had his incredible, outstanding drive to win,
and he understood. I think there was a point in
time he understood, like every great player in the history,
that he cannot do it alone. So he also understood
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he needed to lead. Not many or any could kind
of put in the work the way he would put
in the work. So it's just remarkable. I mean, I
can you know, there's you know, there's something about you know,
we got to push our limits, and our limits are
usually much further than what we think they are. So
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he pushed his limits. You know, he pushed himself. He
was extremely focused.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
How kiper listeners an example of his work ethic or
him not being content or him calling you up and
saying how we got to get better? Or does he
show up at four in the morning? Maybe sure, a
couple of those.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, I mean, it was from from the moment that
I landed with the team in DC. Landed around midnight,
and I would get to the hotel around bas midnight,
and he said, Power, I need to I want to
see you when you get to the hotel. I whant
to come to you. I'm going to come to your room.
I said, okay, well, you know it's going to be late.
I have to do media. You know, it might be
like one thirty the team has a game at noon
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the next day, like, we can, certainly you don't have
to wait up for me. You can. You can talk
tomorrow in the morning when when you get your rest.
I said, no, no, I'm coming to see you. It
doesn't matter what time it is. So even from that moment, Wow,
you know, he kind of like already was telling me.
It's like, you know, this is important, this is a priority,
this is you know, this is how it's going to be.
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So it was one thirty when I got to my
room and I hit him up as I am in
my room. Three minutes later, he was in my room
to specifically deliver me the message like, hey, great to
have you. I'm so excited. It's great. You're a great player.
Now let's go win a championship. There's a sense of
urgency of like we're going to make a run. And
we made a run. We made a run. We ended
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up first in the conference that in those two months
after I joined. He won his only MVP of the
season that year, and we made it to the finals.
We did lose against the Celtics, but that loss in
that process helped us win the next two for sure.
So that's one example, and that he said the tone.
I mean, there's there's many others like and then it's
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like yes, when he needed to say something, he would
say like, hey, I needed to come over with my
room and watch tape, watch the tay, watch a couple
of clips. Boom boom boom. Go. Yeah, We'll go into
the room. He's icing his feed. He's like, dude, he's
taking care of himself. He's like, hey, see this play,
see this place. That is exactly what we need to do.
Is what we need to do tomorrow. Okay, great, all right,
have a good night. It's just like all about really
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business but really focus, very determined, and that's where you know,
you know, this is this is a different level. You know,
this is like hey, because sometimes teammates and athletes are
more like you know, within their own stuff. They don't
want to I don't want to call anybody, I want
to text anybody. It's like, hey, we're we're in this together.
We have to develop this top of bomb. We've got
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to be on the same page in order. Because adversity
hits right, adversity hits. Playoffs are tough. Everybody wants to win.
Everybody feels like you have a chance. Right, you're in
the playoffs, you have a shot. But like, what is
going to separate the team that wins against the other teams.
It's not just talent, you know, you have to have
that ban to be able to get through those adverse times,
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those critical times. Is that one play, that one possession
that can flip or shift a serious or a game.
So it makes it makes a big difference.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
All right, we're gonna wrap up. We're gonna do a
quick lightning round five questions. Just say the first thing
that comes to your mind, what's the best piece of
advice you've received on deal making your business?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
To me, I always look at two things. Is the
leadership is knowing the business, understanding how it works, and
really believing in the impact of that business and the
mission intransic mission of the business. So if those three
things kind of you know, kind of are in place,
I have a good chance of jumping or jumping and
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investing in being part of it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Okay, who's your dream deal making partner?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Well, I think David Blitzer would be a great partner.
I think Alan Waxman, who's a good friend. We are
actually partners. I've invested one of the things that I
haven't mentioned. But I also invested in the AFC team
n WSL.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh yeah as well, two pretty good ones.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah. So we're partners there and I want to continue
to be, you know, be partners. I think once there's
an alignment, there's an understanding. You know, there's chemistry, there's respect,
there's honesty between between in trust within partners, you value
each other, you can do a lot of things and
that's exciting. That's exciting to find that find that person
or that group that you want to just do stuff together.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know. All Right, which team do you want to
see win a championship more than any?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah? Yeah, I have to say the Lakers or behind
uh one, I guess again with with the Celtics, So
I have to I have to go with the Lakers obviously.
Any any team that I've played for, I would love
to see them win a championship. I would love for
the Greases at some point to win a championship. Those
another the franchise that invested in me early on or
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you know, when I first got into the league. But
at the same time, I was happy to see Oklahoma
City win win the championship this year. I think the
team that earns it. You know, congratulations, I'm happy for you.
I'm not I'm not a.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, i'mlies have to go through the walls.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
They have a good chance, they have a good chance.
They gotta two years of being closed, and it's like
this is like we gotta we gotta step it up.
We gotta gotta go for the next.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Step, close the deal. All right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What's your hype song before you go into a big
meeting or negotiation?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Wow, tough one. Yeah, I mixed it up. I always
mixed it up. I didn't I guess. I guess there's
different times where I play list going into games. I'm more.
I was getting more and more hype for those big
games or or championships and so forth. You know that
I needed to, you know, get that edge. But yeah,
I'm still I still haven't got at that level in
(28:00):
business where I'm like, Okay, let me get let me
hide myself up, get into that killer mode going into
this mini because I'm gonna freaking kill it. You know,
that's something that I'm excited. You know, that's like, Alex,
I hope I can be you know, part of those
those type of moments and deals and negotiations where I'm like,
let's go, let me get let me hear you, well
(28:21):
you will. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So finally, Pow, what's your advice for someone listening who
wants a career like yours to me?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Dream big? You know, do what you love, pursue it,
you know, do whatever whatever you need to do. Just
scott it. You got to be all in, surround yourself,
put yourself in situations are challenging, are uncomfortable. You know,
the better the competition, the better you'll be. And don't
be afraid. Just go after it to live once, you know,
(28:51):
don't let somebody else take that spot or be be
that person. Better yourself, believe in yourself, get after it.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
All right. Well, we enjoyed talking to you. Thank you
so much, Pal Gasol, an investor, Hall of Famer, all
around good guy. We really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Thank you, appreciate you guys, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and me Jason Kelly.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome back to the Dlam Jason Kelly alongside Alex Rodriguez. A. Right,
today we are at the Big Power Players event in
New York City. We've got a couple of big interviews
lined up. We're gonna be on stage with a lot
of powerful sports people doing our thing. But today you're
gonna hear our conversation with Pau Gasol. This guy, Alex
he blew me away. I mean, his experience as a
(00:34):
player now is an investor, He's got a huge amount
of ambition.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I mean, for me, the two takeaways was the breath
of his experience globally and what an asset he can
be not only to the NBA and to the w
but to all leagues because he really has a really
good understanding. I think our listeners are going to really
like it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, some amazing insights from him. You know, this is
a guy who really was in one of the key
waves of international players coming into the league. We take
this for granted now. I know you probably take it
for granted even and a little bit given some of
the superstars you have on your roster, you know, but
this was something that really dates back, and he talks
(01:13):
about some key moments in his hometown of Barcelona that
really set him, you know, on a path not just
to be a star, but as you say, to sort
of pay the way for this next generation. So a
really fun conversation coming up next to Pelgasol. Welcome back
(01:39):
to the DAL. I'm your host, Jason Kelly, alongside my
partner Alex Rodriguez. So excited to have with us today.
Pau Gasol. He is a Hall of Fame basketball player,
he's an investor, a man about town, a man about
the world. How really good to see you. Thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh my pleasure, Jason, thank you for having me. Alex.
It's a pleasure to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah. So let's jump right in. I mean, how you
sit at such an interesting nexus of the things that
we care most about, you know, business, sports, culture, And
one of the things that strikes me is this moment
where we are in the game of basketball, and in
a lot of ways, your career anticipated and was a
(02:17):
harbinger of where we are today. It's a global game,
it's international. We take that for granted now, but you
were really on the on the front end of that.
Tell us sort of how basketball got so popular over
these intervening years as a global game.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, it's been a process, right, If it's been a long,
long term process. I think it starts a lot with
international competitions. You know how probably the US teams in
Olympics and World Championships before there were college players. And
how the probably the latest championships before the ninety two
(02:56):
Olympics kind of led to USA basketball sending finally a
team with the best professional players, the big Boys. The
big Boys. Yeah, the original dream team that happened to
be in my home country, in my natal city of
Barcelona in ninety two, when I just turned twelve years old.
So obviously that that team inspired I think a lot
(03:18):
of kids around the globe and showed how basketball could
be played at the highest level and give us a
dream to a lot of kids. So I think that
that was a big, big moment. You saw already great
international players playing the game at that at that time,
Saboni's Marsha, Leni's cool coach, you know, Raja players, Devas,
(03:39):
a lot of Devas that also was one of the
first guys. And you also saw the Rick Smiths, the
deadline shrimps. You know, you got that first wave of
international players. It was like, there's great talented players outside
of the US that play at a high level. And
that brought us to the second wave of players, you know,
with the derk Novisky's, with the Tony Parkers, the under
(04:00):
Kilnkos and bejos Soyakovic myself. That took it a step further,
and then I think gave more confidence to NBA teams
to continue to invest and spend time outside of the
US borders to look for outside talent, develop outside talent too,
and you kind of take a gamble if you will,
or invest in them and gave them an opportunity. So yeah,
(04:20):
I think the basketball the NBA has done a great
job also doing all kinds of stuff and efforts outside
of the US, playing global games, basketball without borders, Junior
or NBA. There's a lot of basketball academies now, so
they've done a great job also putting a lot of
time and effort and investment outside of that, allowing the
game to grow, the business to grow, and the game
(04:41):
to become so global.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And so as you think about sort of where we
are today, Pow, as you mentioned, you know, there's sort
of the first wave, you're part of the second wave,
and then there's this probably third wave that we're living in.
And you know, I think about Alex's team in Minnesota.
He's got a couple international players who are absolute superstars,
you know, really bear to sort of being the veteran
And it came into play in the draft as well.
(05:05):
How does the game think about, especially from the NBA's perspective,
you know, really making its imprint on Europe in a
way that both sort of respects what's already there but
also leverages its own power as a business, the NBA
that is, So how would you think about that? What's
your advice there?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, I think the NBA is working proactively in that
particular matter, precisely with the establishment or launching of a
potential NBA European League, because the European League model has
not worked very well. We have, it's a great product,
great level of basketball, all the arenas are packed, it
(05:48):
doesn't make money. My opinion is that it's just been
poorly governed and the model it just needs to evolve
and change. So you know that that's where the opportunity lies,
that's where the need is, and that's what it's been
kind of in the works for a couple of years,
more proactively and intensively, and now we get into a
point that we're finally seeing the light on that aspect,
(06:10):
and it's very exciting because all it's going to do,
I think, is provide the European League with i think
a much more competitive side and edge, and hopefully a
league that can grow and get to have teams that
are able to compete with the best teams in the NBA,
and also for players to be able to have the
(06:32):
option that there's no such a big gap from the
level or the salaries, let's say, and it's more uniformed,
and we'll see how it evolves and what the potential
of growth is there. But there's no question that the
NBA has become very international within itself at US and
American soil. We're just trying to see this in a
(06:52):
great spot. Obviously, we're seeing the latest sales, the evaluations
continue to grow, so it's great to see, very exciting.
It's also great to see how the women's game is
also growing and evolving and finally getting the impact, the
relevance also and the notoriety that it deserved. So it's
exciting times It's exciting times for basketball, exciting times for sports.
(07:14):
There's there's eruption, there's investment. There's a lot going on
and a lot happening. But that's why we need great
people also to take responsibility, to be able to define
this new direction and take a little bit the reins
of where sport is going and where you can.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Go pressures on you, Alex. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Following up on Jason Powell, you know, there's some similarities
between Major League Baseball and what Latin America was to
MOB baseball. I was just incredible talent pool. Probably thirty
forty percent of MB baseball came from Latin America, whether
it's Dominican, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba. Thirty percent of the league
comes from outside of the US. So I'm fairly new
(07:53):
to the NBA and the w What advice would you
give my partner and I mark on how do we
put our best foot forward on a global stage so
players like you, the next twelve year old can say, boy,
I want to be in Minnesota Timberwolves or I want
to go play for the Minnesota Links. What can we
do better or more of?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah? I mean, I'll have to see what you guys
are already doing to give you a better and more
accurate response there, But it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Sounds like you should hire Pal as a consultant. Alex,
I mean, I'm I'm looking at this happening right here
in front.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Of me opening. But at any time, Yeah, obviously you
have to. I think you have to get people with
with a different, different view, experience and background that kind
of think out outside of the box a little bit
and and and can provide some some ideas that will
complement yours and your partners. Definitely. I think people that
did have that global background or an international background and
(08:45):
getting get him involved in the franchise. One of the
opportunities challenges is to how do you get you know,
former players more involved and playing a significant role that
provides value to teams, beyond the player development, beyond on
the coaching, beyond the broadcasting, beyond the kind of the
more traditional, let's say avenues. To me, I think one
(09:05):
of the issues is kind of providing more education to
some of those players to be able to vertialize, express
and channel the knowledge and experience that they have in
order to provide value to professional franchises, leagues and so forth.
There's definitely something that I you know, continue to do
well as far as marketing the product overseas, put your
(09:26):
name in the pool, as far as like hey, we'd
love to go play games in these markets, you know,
whether the preseasons where the regular seasons, like we're seeing
games in Pairers London that have have happened and will
continue to happen. So just just continue to get out
of that comfort zone to put your franchise name in
the global stage. Obviously, you have a great team right
(09:48):
now that has been very close to get into that
that final stage and just continue. That's obviously something that
you have to take advantage of. As you know, there's
there's windows in professional sports. You know, you don't know
when that window is going to close, so you got
to maximize it at all levels in order to produce
those waves that will have an effect meet to long
(10:10):
term within your franchise, on your club. So you're doing
you guys are doing a great job. I'm excited to
see you playing these role. Alex. You've been an incredible
ambassador for for sport, for baseball obviously, but beyond that,
and I love to see it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Thank you, thank you, and so pow you know, sort
of synthesizing a couple of things you've been talking about.
I mean, you think about these windows of opportunity. You know,
you mentioned the opportunities around women's basketball and specifically the
w I believe you've invested, you know in WW and
so tell us about the decision to do that and
sort of where you see this going over the next
(10:47):
few years. Because Alex is living it every day as
the governor of the LINKS, I see it, you know
through my work. This is a critical moment and nothing
is guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. Well, I was part of the executive committee on
the NBP for a few years and one of the
topics that kind of came, but what's kind of recurring.
I would say, how can we help the women? How
can we help the w n B A And it
was all the conversations were a lot about we got
to support him monetarily. It was like, okay, well that's
(11:18):
that's good, and that sure helps in the short term,
but what can we do in the longer term? I said, Okay,
we got to get more involved in the game. Yes,
go into games, help supporting our women athletes, endorsing the game,
being ambassadors, being allies, all that is great, all the above,
but now, can we can we invest? Can we commit
(11:39):
to it, you know and believe in it? Because to me,
part of it too was you know, obviously Kobe's legacy
an example. You know, he had four daughters. You know,
he had Gigi was going to be a phenomenal player
and was a phenomenal player. So he was already doing
a lot to create that momentum. So I just wanted to,
(12:02):
you know, kind of follow suit a little bit. I'm
a girl dad myself. I wanted my girl. I want
my girl to have the same opportunities as my son does.
There's been this huge gap between women's sports and men's sports,
So that was one way for me. That was an
opportunity that came. It was a capital race due to COVID.
The league needed capital, and I was able to hear
(12:25):
about this opportunity having good relationships, having nurtured good relationships,
and he said, hey, do you want to invest in
this round? I said yes, absolutely, so I jumped in.
And now I'm looking into investing in a WNBA franchise directly,
and I've been talking to several to see which one
makes the most sense for me to be involved with
and invest directly. I love to see how the game
(12:47):
is growing. I was at the All Star weekend in
Indianapolis with my wife supporting the game, supporting the event again,
developing more relationships there as well. And I'm looking at
a lot of different other you know, women's sports that
I that I could be a part of and invest
me being part of the International Olympic Committee and being
(13:08):
a member there. I just want to see sports continue
to grow because with technology growing as fast as it is,
we just kind of counter it with balance, and sports
gives gives our kids so many great avenues to develop
and to grow up healthy. And that's that's also part
of what I what I want to continue to do.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting too pout it to think
about it. You know. Is this blend of you know,
obviously having had the experience as an athlete as you
both have, and understanding the power of sports, but also
understanding this is a growth investment area. We're all about
deals here, I mean presumably part of what you're seeing
here because you're also a very savvy investor. You know,
you have Gasol sixteen Ventures, which is sort of your
(13:50):
consolidated effort is it fair to say you see sort
of like accelerated upside in women's sports as well.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, absolutely, I truly do. There was a point in
time when I made that investment, there was like investing
in women's sports not the right thing, but it's good business.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, So it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Wasn't just like, oh, we feel morally compelled to invest
and support women's sports. No, it's actually a really good business.
There was a smart thing to do. Yes, it has
other implications, but from the business standpoint, you know, if
we start shifting kind of the money the way it's
(14:31):
been invested in sports, we'll see the results. We'll see
the returns in many different ways. So yes, that's kind
of I totally believe in that, and that's why I'm
also doing that as well, because I'd see great opportunities
and I see great growth going forward.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Why don't you shift a little bit to your Laker days.
I know that you and I share something in common
and where we both played for two storied franchises, the
Yankees and the Lakers, as really as big as they get.
I played for an iconic owner and George Steinbrunner, and
you felt his presence every day. You still do when
he's passed almost fifteen years ago. I'm wondering, how was
(15:21):
your experience with Doctor Buss and Jeanie Buss. I've always
been a big Laker fan. I used to love Showtime
with pat Riley and Magic against the Celtics and Larry
Bird and that crew. In your opinion and your experience,
obviously winning two titles helps. Was there anything you learned
from Doctor Buss or the family on what makes the
Lakers such an incredible franchise.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, it was something that was very embedded, I think
to the family, you know, the feeling, the passion for
the Lakers. How he was able to really turn around
and create an iconic franchise having moved from Minneapolis. The
whole deal has just been you know, it's an incredible story.
When Genie took over, I think she's done an unbelievable
(16:04):
job to doing that kind of carrying over her dad
and her family's legacy. It was a family business and
he was almost run as such. And there's a special
care that goes into when you kind of go all
in and that's your wealth, that's your life, you know,
that's you leave and breathe it. You know, he was
a pioneer, a genius, a great mind that added things
(16:27):
that impacted the not just the Lakers, but the league
and its entirety. So I have great respect for doctor Buss,
great respect for the family, obviously honor that I was
able to be a part and I'm a part of
that franchise forever having my name retired in the rafters
along all the greatest Lakers of all time. So obviously
(16:48):
that's been one of my biggest honors that my not
just my career, with my life now exciting to to see.
I think how all that hard working commitment has paid
off with the latest sell ten billion dollars dollars of valuation.
And we hope to be just as exciting as a
previous one or as a current one. And obviously always
(17:10):
will be rooting for my Lakers and hoping that they
do great, and hope that I cannot to that picture
as well in some shape or form.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And pal Obviously, the time of the Lakers establishes one
of the most important relationships in your life. Your friendship,
deep friendship and connection with Kobe Bryant and his family,
a relationship with his family that I know continues to
this day. I wonder from your perspective, what you learned
from Kobe as a businessman, because he was a deal maker,
(17:41):
probably unlike many we've seen. Alex obviously is his top
tier magic who's been on the show is top tier.
But you know, Kobe, it's sad to think about, like
how much more he could have done as a businessman.
And I'm sure you think about it all the time,
But what did you learn from him that you apply
as a deal maker?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I think what I'm learn from him is, you know,
he shifted kind of his mama mentality into the business
side or into every aspect really that he got involved
with after brasketball, and he was like, we're the best
in the business. Let me reach out to him, let
me ask questions, kind of the same thing that he
(18:18):
did with Michael as a mentor. You know, he said, hey, man,
he is the guy that I want to be like. Well,
then that when I surpassed, not just be like, I
want to be better than him. He's the best, he's
the goat. Great. I'm going to I'm going to learn
from him. I'm going to just you know, call him
up anytime and ask him questions and and I want
to you know, be better than him. So same same
(18:38):
thing I think I think he did as a business
or on the business side. He just identified people that
were doing a great job or were some of the
best in the business and connected with him and proactively
just kind of got together with him and created great
relationships and channel that that drive, that unique drive that
he had into the business side, into doing you know,
(19:00):
when even winning an oscar. So, Okay, we're going to
do a short film, to do a short film, but
I want to make the best short film you know
there is, and I'm going to partner and learn from
the best, and we're going to put a great team,
just as you would do in sports, and get after
the championship, you know. And that's that's in the I
guess in the movie side, movie world is winning an oscar,
(19:21):
you know, same thing in business. And he was doing
stuff to also help his peers because there's a lot
of athletes that are I won't say lost, but I'll
say maybe they do. They do lack of direction and
proper structure around him and guidance. So he wanted to
help athletes to be more educated, to provide them with
(19:42):
opportunities and avenues for them to be financially stable for
the rest of their lives, which is the you know,
the greatest part of our of their life or of
our life being former athletes. So how can we do that?
How can we address that issue where most athletes, pro
athletes that have won and earned millions of dollars go
bankrupt within a few years of their retirement. So he
(20:03):
was trying to address that issue, so again learning, asking questions,
identifying who's the best reaching out, he said, I don't
want to be the smartest guy in the room. I
want to surround myself with great smart people. And I'll
add to that, you know. And that's kind of what
I've learned from him a lot. I think that's something
that Magic also has said also on different occasions. He said,
(20:25):
I don't know much about business, but I know he does.
So I'm going to talk to him and you know,
and I'm going to use my platform and my success
as an athlete that provides me with that access, a
unique access, and I'm going to maximize it and I'm
going to take advantage of So.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Pow I had a really strong relationship with Kobe and
we were contemporaries and where we came around the similar
time we both entered the league as teenagers. When my
knee was hurting, he basically screamed at me and said,
you got to get to Germany and go take care
of it. I did. It worked really well, and I
came back and played well and my knee felt great
(20:59):
after that. But I remember he would watch the Yankee
games on the S Network and he would say, Hey,
call me, and he would tell me, don't forget who
the f you are, don't worry about the booze, don't
worry about this, just go be you. And then he
would start telling me, like to start getting my elbow lower.
And that's when I said, okay, sob, I got this.
(21:20):
That's when I had Yeah, yeah, I draw the line.
But shifting Jason's question on the court, what was it
about him that you learned? And I'm sure you taught
each other a lot, But what was it about him
that made him so special that made it so much
fun to play with?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I guess his desire to be the best. His work
ethic was just incredible, The level of dedication and commitment
to it. Yeah, he had his incredible, outstanding drive to win,
and he understood. I think there was a point in
time he understood, like every great player in the history,
that he cannot do it alone. So he also understood
(22:00):
he needed to lead. Not many or any could kind
of put in the work the way he would put
in the work. So it's just remarkable. I mean, I
can you know, there's you know, there's something about you know,
we got to push our limits, and our limits are
usually much further than what we think they are. So
(22:21):
he pushed his limits. You know, he pushed himself. He
was extremely focused.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
How kiper listeners an example of his work ethic or
him not being content or him calling you up and
saying how we got to get better? Or does he
show up at four in the morning? Maybe sure, a
couple of those.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, I mean, it was from from the moment that
I landed with the team in DC. Landed around midnight,
and I would get to the hotel around bas midnight,
and he said, Power, I need to I want to
see you when you get to the hotel. I whant
to come to you. I'm going to come to your room.
I said, okay, well, you know it's going to be late.
I have to do media. You know, it might be
like one thirty the team has a game at noon
(22:58):
the next day, like, we can, certainly you don't have
to wait up for me. You can. You can talk
tomorrow in the morning when when you get your rest.
I said, no, no, I'm coming to see you. It
doesn't matter what time it is. So even from that moment, Wow,
you know, he kind of like already was telling me.
It's like, you know, this is important, this is a priority,
this is you know, this is how it's going to be.
(23:19):
So it was one thirty when I got to my
room and I hit him up as I am in
my room. Three minutes later, he was in my room
to specifically deliver me the message like, hey, great to
have you. I'm so excited. It's great. You're a great player.
Now let's go win a championship. There's a sense of
urgency of like we're going to make a run. And
we made a run. We made a run. We ended
(23:40):
up first in the conference that in those two months
after I joined. He won his only MVP of the
season that year, and we made it to the finals.
We did lose against the Celtics, but that loss in
that process helped us win the next two for sure.
So that's one example, and that he said the tone.
I mean, there's there's many others like and then it's
(24:01):
like yes, when he needed to say something, he would
say like, hey, I needed to come over with my
room and watch tape, watch the tay, watch a couple
of clips. Boom boom boom. Go. Yeah, We'll go into
the room. He's icing his feed. He's like, dude, he's
taking care of himself. He's like, hey, see this play,
see this place. That is exactly what we need to do.
Is what we need to do tomorrow. Okay, great, all right,
have a good night. It's just like all about really
(24:25):
business but really focus, very determined, and that's where you know,
you know, this is this is a different level. You know,
this is like hey, because sometimes teammates and athletes are
more like you know, within their own stuff. They don't
want to I don't want to call anybody, I want
to text anybody. It's like, hey, we're we're in this together.
We have to develop this top of bomb. We've got
(24:45):
to be on the same page in order. Because adversity
hits right, adversity hits. Playoffs are tough. Everybody wants to win.
Everybody feels like you have a chance. Right, you're in
the playoffs, you have a shot. But like, what is
going to separate the team that wins against the other teams.
It's not just talent, you know, you have to have
that ban to be able to get through those adverse times,
(25:06):
those critical times. Is that one play, that one possession
that can flip or shift a serious or a game.
So it makes it makes a big difference.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
All right, we're gonna wrap up. We're gonna do a
quick lightning round five questions. Just say the first thing
that comes to your mind, what's the best piece of
advice you've received on deal making your business?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
To me, I always look at two things. Is the
leadership is knowing the business, understanding how it works, and
really believing in the impact of that business and the
mission intransic mission of the business. So if those three
things kind of you know, kind of are in place,
I have a good chance of jumping or jumping and
(25:58):
investing in being part of it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Okay, who's your dream deal making partner?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Well, I think David Blitzer would be a great partner.
I think Alan Waxman, who's a good friend. We are
actually partners. I've invested one of the things that I
haven't mentioned. But I also invested in the AFC team
n WSL.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh yeah as well, two pretty good ones.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah. So we're partners there and I want to continue
to be, you know, be partners. I think once there's
an alignment, there's an understanding. You know, there's chemistry, there's respect,
there's honesty between between in trust within partners, you value
each other, you can do a lot of things and
that's exciting. That's exciting to find that find that person
or that group that you want to just do stuff together.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know. All Right, which team do you want to
see win a championship more than any?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah? Yeah, I have to say the Lakers or behind
uh one, I guess again with with the Celtics, So
I have to I have to go with the Lakers obviously.
Any any team that I've played for, I would love
to see them win a championship. I would love for
the Greases at some point to win a championship. Those
another the franchise that invested in me early on or
(27:04):
you know, when I first got into the league. But
at the same time, I was happy to see Oklahoma
City win win the championship this year. I think the
team that earns it. You know, congratulations, I'm happy for you.
I'm not I'm not a.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, i'mlies have to go through the walls.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
They have a good chance, they have a good chance.
They gotta two years of being closed, and it's like
this is like we gotta we gotta step it up.
We gotta gotta go for the next.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Step, close the deal. All right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What's your hype song before you go into a big
meeting or negotiation?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Wow, tough one. Yeah, I mixed it up. I always
mixed it up. I didn't I guess. I guess there's
different times where I play list going into games. I'm more.
I was getting more and more hype for those big
games or or championships and so forth. You know that
I needed to, you know, get that edge. But yeah,
I'm still I still haven't got at that level in
(28:00):
business where I'm like, Okay, let me get let me
hide myself up, get into that killer mode going into
this mini because I'm gonna freaking kill it. You know,
that's something that I'm excited. You know, that's like, Alex,
I hope I can be you know, part of those
those type of moments and deals and negotiations where I'm like,
let's go, let me get let me hear you, well
(28:21):
you will. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So finally, Pow, what's your advice for someone listening who
wants a career like yours to me?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Dream big? You know, do what you love, pursue it,
you know, do whatever whatever you need to do. Just
scott it. You got to be all in, surround yourself,
put yourself in situations are challenging, are uncomfortable. You know,
the better the competition, the better you'll be. And don't
be afraid. Just go after it to live once, you know,
(28:51):
don't let somebody else take that spot or be be
that person. Better yourself, believe in yourself, get after it.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
All right. Well, we enjoyed talking to you. Thank you
so much, Pal Gasol, an investor, Hall of Famer, all
around good guy. We really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Thank you, appreciate you guys, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and me Jason Kelly.
This episode was made by Anamazarakus, Stacey Wong, and Lizzie Phillip.
Amy Keen is our editor and Will Connelly is our
video editor. Our theme music is made by Blake Maples.
Our executive producers are Kelly Leferrier, Ashley Honig, and Brendan Nenham.
Sage Bauman is the head of Bloomberg Podcast. Additional support
(29:37):
from Rachel Carnivale and Elena sos Angeles. Thanks so much
for listening to the deal. If you have a minute, subscribe,
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I'm Jason Kelly. See you next week.
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