Q-Bone Talk's Banging w/Barry White & LA Peace Treaty

We had the opportunity to sit down with LA triple OG Q-Bone. We discuss How LA Gang Culture went from the Business Men, (a crew that legendary singer Barry White belonged too) , The Dope game, The LA Riots and it's influence on the LA Gang's Peace Treaty and much much more!!!!!!!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We's Avenue wes Abnue was appening. Welcome to another episode
the gainst the Chronicles podcast. Is your boy, big Steal?
The homie MC eight is out of town for this one,
but I'm holding it down and I got somebody that's
real special. I got one of the La Kings, one
of the real La Kings, one of the Kings of
La out here, the homeboy Big q Bone. I love
from fifty second in Broadway.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I lost all the South central La that really signed
low bottles. Man, you already know the earth is my turf, now.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Your turf, and you just move like you please. Man,
we gonna go right into it. Man, you had you
played a real pivotal role man in the riots out here, Yes,
a real.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Privlet role in nineteen ninety two. Man, that that changed
the course of my life to make me the person
I am today. I'll probably be in jail or dead
by now if it wasn't for that.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, let me ask you this, man. So it's nineteen
ninety two, man, they read the verdict was what was
the temperature in La at that time? Was everybody kind
of looking at the news to wait to see what
the verdict was gonna.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Be yeah, And you know, actually it was a lot
of people that you know, me, I was at home
looking at the news when the verdict came down. I
was at home during that time, about three or four,
four or five o'clock. Yeah, I was at home. But
a lot of people at home, a lot of people
out of the streets. And the anger went up fast
because of that television that televised on the news. And

(01:23):
then when they televised on seventieth to Florence or normany
really on seventieth. That triggered every day. When they triggered seventieth,
that triggered every day. It wasn't about the anger that
triggered it. It was about the little dude. When they
said that Rodney getting found guilty, I mean the officers
found not guilty, the anger erupted. Of course, it could
have been tried as a protest. It probably wasn't even

(01:44):
hit like it hit he. People don't realize he wasn't the.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Beginning. He was like the ending part. He wasn't even end.
He was the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
The Indian part came when the verdict came through, and
the little dude with the police was trying to put
a little dude in a cross Sebbeth and Normandy, and
he wouldn't get in, and they jumped on it. And
then you know the parents, Noughty would say, let them
boys go, and the brothers over there they were like, man,
we leave alone, leaven alone. And when the parents mad,
they're not telling us stop now, they're like, just turn.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
The chick ain't saying nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's it's just two overen women now, Tatasha Harlings that
Verder come up that guilty and they throwing this little
dude in the car on their seven Normandy and that
that rupted everything right there.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So it just ripped it so so seven Yet the
Normandy was kind of like the epicenter.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was the epicenter of the civil unrest. That's that's
straight out. That is, they ain't no changing around it,
because the news showed that. And once we've seen what
was taking place on seventh and Normandy, that transform the
Florence of Normandy and the next block over.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
The whole world blew up on that.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Everybody, every hood l a start doing what they were
doing Seventh to Normandy and then a slightness little way, And.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I want to ask you a question, when did the
when did all the games come to giving to say
the truths? Like wounds there?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Okay, the ross April twenty nine, because civil rest April
twenty nine. So let's say I made the fifth, made
a fifth a couple of days later. You know you
had to you had to the loot move off for
predations of the thirtieth thirty first first of May, second
of May. You know you had my Hood Day, but

(03:23):
you had the host co the what you call the
Coast Guard people coming through the hummer. So it was
still a while. The peace treaty took place in watts
Uh that day back like the second week, like they
made a third somethinghere up in there because I started
in watch that with Bull, a compone from Avalon talking
to the pj's and the body hunters. Then Bull is

(03:44):
from five tra Avalon, which is down at by Mindhood.
We share the same parts community. When Bull left them,
he came to us. Then we went to the Pebblo
where he went to the Peblo the villains and brought
them to the South Park with us, and we all
got together. And then just like the thing ain't spread
on seven Normandy, it spread it throughout the streets now
through social media, but social media wasn't wasn't big back then.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Maybe it wasn't. It wasn't no social media, it wasn't no.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Fan was none of that. So so when that happened.
So when that happened, everybody, it just spread it throughout
the street. Man they're going, so everybody headed to Watch
to the pj's and we went to the pj's that
started the pj the Niggas and Gardens and Jordan that
everybody was there half.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Of l A.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
As days went on and days went on from that
initiation and Watch in South Park and then the West
Side and then it just initiated on everybody's going back
and forth from our community to Pebblo to the Jordan
downs to the Niggason to Chrisshaw, you know, so I
let the West Side get involved and then we just
started coming together all that within all that before Mother's

(04:45):
Day because we threw the event on Mother there in
South Park, so Mother, they were like May eleven, the
second week, so like a week before that.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Let me ask you, I have to ask you this
big q boll. Was there any resistance on some of
the gas part to take part in this peace treaty
because you know, a lot of people love, you know,
lifelong enemies.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It was a whole lot of resistance. It was a
whole lot of resists. You gotta realized the first part
came in through the heart. I think that God places
peace and all our hearts and gang members alone during
the time they called Ryan civil unarrest whatever you want
to call it.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
And you know, because a lot of people was out
doing activities they don't normally do.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I've seen them moon hours. I was out there.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So when you got Reverend mom Dad, Survival of Fitters,
you know, it's it's just like Jim crowlog back and
then you gotta get what you get.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
She just burn it down.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Ain't gonna be no gas tomorrow, ain't gonna be no
food tomorrow, and probably don't be.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
No lights, So you better go grab what you can
and come in on it.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
A lot of people did a lot of stuff, you know,
whether it was money for financing, whether it was food
for survival, whether it's clothes and shit.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know they need it, they drave it. It was. It was.
It was just open.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
So when I think them blaming us, you know the
quote the elites side who rules and regular police.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh, the game was starting to ride because Florence and
mart took place.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
We started.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think God plays peace in our hearts for us
to come at peace.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
In order to make everybody else come at peace, so
we can clean our neighborhood. Before we really tell them,
it realized we're doing something that we ain't supposed to
be doing to our own community.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
If anything, we should be head in the west, but
we didn't head west.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
We stayed right there on community, in our own front yard,
our own backyard, our own side streets, our own alleys,
our own air.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
We breathing in our own our own resources. That's goned.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's not coming back right now. So whatever we destroy
is gone. And you know that's why we created peace.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Because would you agree that some of the neighborhoods neighbor
fully recovered from the riots.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Of course, a whole lot of people were on the
east side.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
The west side recovered to an extent, but the east
side never recovered, and the most businesses never came on
the east side.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Never was no businesses.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
It's only mom and pop businesses, the Mexican businesses and stuff,
epy buildings, abandoned buildings, the ship used to add them
to a more abandoned buildings.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Because I remember I talked to I talked to a
lot of the ogs back in the day the own
liquor stores right like kind of the last of them,
Like you had Jay's Liquor over the off Western and
all that. And they told me that prior to the
riots like in the seventies, that all the liquor stores
and that they were black.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Not even seen the liquors was a black man.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
The Asians didn't come the ages came in our community
back then. Uh, when they came up. When the Koreans
came in our community, we thought they were Chinese and
so we didn't know Vietnam Mese. We know between Vietnam
me Chinese Campbodians and the camp bodies grewup in the
project and you know Long Beach in the east side,
the Papal Lot to La, but we didn't know about
no Koreans. When the swap meets opened up, that's when

(07:39):
they started moving Stark community. Once we start going to
they swap meets, the Sloughs and Swap Meet, the Manchester
Swapped Meet on eighty eighth Broadway and turned over there there.
Remember that to swapped me behind the crunch yall mall
over there.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Once they once the Koreans started moving in our communities
opened up nel salons, and the Indians started getting up
the motels and they started ending the white stuff, you know,
start buying out the blacks, and mesic started buying out the.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Blacks for the liquor stores and stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
We was off the picture because you gotta realize these
old dudes and have my generation they went passing it down.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
There because we was in jail.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Most of my generation was in jail doing light stings,
went to jail at young age in the early eighties
in like eighty four eighty five.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
So us that was supposed to.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Take leading that and we went and never went to
jail in the eighties and stayed out and being successful,
we'd took over that. That that inheritance of liquor store
mom and pop stores. See that's of our generation. I'm
sixty years old, so before before me, only two generations
before me had the opportunity to fulfill big mama liquor stores,
mommed pop store, trips to school, hanging, you know, going

(08:46):
to Magic Model on the Greyhound bus. You know what
I'm saying, really walking down the street twenty and thirty
deep and really fighting the squadron. Let's shoot them, were
fighting the squadron and really gangbaging, not wald Magan Ourselfhe
megan not ending that Magaan and I fake banking because
half these dudes couldn't stand a blocking on.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Shoot that's in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Like, I'm I'm the eighties baby, I'm I'm the baby
that started nineteen eighty. My generation came nineteen eighty. My
crippers started nineteen eighty. I was I'm fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Old nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Ohdeen years old, fourteen, fifteen years old.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I was fifteen years old.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I came out of junior high school junior high schools
when my banging generation started banking.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I didn't gain bang the junior high because I didn't
want to. I didn't have to.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I told I told you to go to hustling. Right,
I'll be a hustler. But you know, situations made me
go join the gang because it's my lifetime, My my
my daddy, my uncles, my friends, everybody gave back.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, because you're because because like you were second generation
game member. Yeah, I'm a second generation because your mama,
your mom, Where was your mama?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Pops from my mom the papers from businessman's lost my
mom in the first generational game back in sixty five.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
My daddy was one of the originators in the washing riots.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Oh so they were from the businessmen. That's Maddie. My
whole family's from the business man. My whole family. The
business man's hung at my house. My great grandma who
raised me, Ma Mama's fifteen when she had me. I
looked at my mama like she was my sister, because
you know, she was fifteen.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
When I came up from the hospital June fourth, nineteen
sixty four to wash Robbins sixty five, I was one
years old.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
My MoMA pushed me in a basket during the wash Wiatt.
They pushed me home.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
And you know, so I live with my great grandmother
all these time this year, but they hung at my grad.
They hung at the house to all my growing up years,
even when I got five, six, seven, eight, Very White
cook eggs my mama and get her in trouble. See White,
he's my big hofer. But Bill Jones, tou Dy Reese,
all these old things, Central Avenue, Broadway, that was nice
snuffing ground as a kid under White. He see Whitey

(10:43):
and all them. It's my big hoferes. They three years
older than me. So I'm a product of them.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Can I ask you this? Because Verry White is from
Wat's right, Barry White is from over now here.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, no, no, Barry White is from south central Los
Angele east side Lost South Park business Man's.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes. So so Barry Waite was a part of the
businessmen and the businessman And for those that don't know,
the businessmen, that predates cripping, that predates actually crippling in
the blood.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, all the all of the bunions.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, the businessman stopped in sixty five after the washt Riots,
all the gangs stopped.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
So from sixty five, sixty six, sixty seven, sixty eight,
wasn't no gangs.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Now that it was ready, black panthers had moved in
the US organization. They had stopped after the ride. They
came like we came together that peace. They came together
at peace after the wash riots. So for six sixty nine,
that's at Raymond Washington decided he gonna start the crips.
The brims that came out the outlaws had already been
to certain blood games have already been around, took over
the name from original sixty five games.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
The Businessman, the Slaughter them like the Outlaws in the twenties.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
They're blood game, but there's an original game back fighting
The Businessman, the Pabblos. They the project. They alread in
the Pablo the Jordan Downs with Jordan Downs. They wasn't
Grave Streets, there wasn't nothing. It was called Jordan Down Project.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
That was it. You know, Niggas and God they lived
by that, so you know the JD's, that was them.
So when we.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Came in too, cripp in the sixty nine with Right
and watching the start the christ sixty nine, they didn't
really elevate until like seventy three, seventy four they start.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I watched them start in my neighborhood on South Park,
the Avalon Crypt.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I watched the Leader, Baby Jay, we can go all
the Donald, Ray Black, Johnny all the on my corner
three houses from me, the same way the Businessman. I
watched them grow up. I played baseball. I used to
watch them do something. I wanted to be just like them,
you know what I think said, I want to be.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
A rapper when I grow up.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I wanted to be ap when I go, But then
I said, I don't want to be no crip. I
want to be a hustler. Because there's hustles on the
east side. You gotta realize South Central, Central Avenue and
Broadway with the epic center for the Blacks period, points
blank period. Broadway was a whole show. It was straight trenches,
it was straight straight going on. It was straight hold
what no figure war cracking. Everything western of Harvey Freeway

(12:55):
was considered the west side. They had good lifestyle, good
family home. We had good home, but we lived in
hustle life. Our great grandmother gone worked hard to get
us down south here. We was raised up right there
in South Central walking the streets.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Oh yeah, now you talked about we had the year
you talk about you jumped off the porch cubbone. That's
really important because you talk about nineteen eighty When did
the crack era hit out there? When did the crack
are kind of start.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Hitting out right?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Eighty two eighty two, so right around so you got the.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Eighty one ready, but eighty two eighty two had really
started going really eighty one and it started maybe figured
its way in you know, freebasing. That's a Richard proce
say that's up on fire. So free pace eighth. The
base was already going on. Eh, the base was going on,
and we didn't fuck it the eather base. But when
the crack era came, they started rocking up.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
They didn't know how to rock it up.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
By the fact, nigga that was selling dope in nineteen eighty,
that be at work in the rock house in nineteen
he'd be at my age seventeen years old, sixteen years old,
fifteen years old. Now they we didn't know how to
rock no dope. We had to learn it from the
older dudes. They get right in the kitchen and cook
that shit up and we sell it. That's all we
gonna do. Seller, We know nothing about that. And they
told us game bag and hustle don't make so you

(14:04):
want a hustle a game bag. So we decided to
take our khakis who saw and start going to the
mall to shop because we were shopping at Surpplus store
Bail sell state Wide green Leaf over there ongether. You know,
we could dressed up the khakis, the T shirts, pimps
and all start coco sacks dirt, but we was mocking
the real crips. We were the only hustles like Whitey
were navy goaling. All them dude, they was hustles in

(14:25):
our community. They the ones who led us to say,
when the cocaine come, they had to use us, fred
Rick and all them dudes, they had to utilize us
and or they wouldn't be able to sell them because
we weren't playing.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
We're gonna rock it.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
But that's what I wanted to ask you about Freeway Rick,
because I think a lot of people get the misconception
that he was just out here moving those massive quantities
of drugs by hisself. He had cruis of people doing
that with him, didn't he.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I mean, you got to have a community, got to
be from some community. You don't got the game, bang,
but you got to have a community behind you. Gotta
have streets behind you. However you twisted and put it
back then you didn't have the streets behind you.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
You. It's not doue.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I don't care who you was. Because my big Homeie
had to come to us and say, hey, man, listen,
gang bang and hustle don't mix. Man, y'all, I understand
what y'all got going on. But I got to stop, man,
we could get some money. Do the word wom you know,
And that's what made us go. It wasn't no peace
treaty in eighty We went peace treating. When we got
to hustle, we just hustled and we turned.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
In the cruise.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I turned the whites in the pride. You had Third World,
you had fifty mentioned, you had the hoovers. Before they
started they turned into the connect afraid. We had a
freeway boys. But all that, everybody wasn't just gang members.
It was gang members missed with hustlers and Germany thieves
and every every walk of life, you know, they all
all came together. We all came together and started usilining

(15:43):
each other for this one trade, which is cocaine German,
not hair on. Not all of them, not we all
of m men. Come on, no, it's eighty two. You're
talking about eighty one. Eighty two. That was a kid
my year. They can't they can't tell me nothing.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I went to jail eighty four because it was a
it was a time when the Craig trade started out
here in LA that everybody was kind of moving with
impunity because didn't nobody know what it was like as
far as law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Eighty one eighty two, they did not know shit. They
didn't know shit until about eighty three. They really grabbed
on the eighty three they knew when they didn't want
to stop it.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
It were too It was too rough. It was too rough,
you know.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Once they started realizing that we was going to the
malls and you're talking about niggas putting up the low
riders and jewelry on.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
And changing the episode. You got camped and Watts South Central.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
You know, we're looking at our big homeies, Whitey Wayne Day,
Hunch from Grave Street, you know the name a guy
with them, man power with them, murray them, you know,
East Coasts and freud Rick over there with the hoovers,
got the hoovers with him, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
And even though we got the rule in the.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
West Side, daft over to the West side thirties, you know,
two d Reach was the Godfather past eighty with the
steak house Old Western, then with the Godfather.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
See them dudes was our Daddy's friends. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
But so now you got hunting them was our big homies,
you know, the Gray Streets. You know, we the dudes
up unting and they pulled out the street. Cause remember
they come from the water, the airgrade. They didn't do
when they got cocaine. It was cocaine stumbled across us.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Already hustled, you know. Every year you got some top
of the drug. You have pills. For the sixties you
had andrew dust. The early seventies had sharon hit.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
The late seventies, you know, in the early eighties had
sharms our choice seram and were skunk weed.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Then it was tied with you on the stick.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
It wasn't all the exiety stuff, so we really didn't
care about that. We had yellow zig zat paper. It
wasn't no blunts.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Certain dudes had liquor stores and the hood, like Wallham's White,
he had liquor storees at a young age. We learned
from him on the hustling party.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
It wasn't for him. We would live in We probably
still doing what we was doing.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Him and a few of us, you know, cause benzo
Al and all of them do it. They was stone
and they nois see all the dudes. My eldest under
White's in the right, not on the cripping, not on
the cripping on the straight, hustling. The White Enterpartment was
created under a hustle out of a game. We was
already a game. He said, no game banging. That's how
so we started hustling. We took our ca and start

(18:05):
wearing feet of bj Serrial, Tanisi Elise, going to Marshalls
over there, going to the different clubs on Hollywood, the
Hollywood played in the students.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Just that just really start cracking.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
You know what I'm saying. You go sneak u through
the red onion and trying to hang with the older
folks them. But like I said, we were sweatsuits and
stuff back then. We took our cackles off. And that's
how you knew we was hustling because we start wearing jewelry.
We didn't want to start wearing jewelryes and and and
sweatsuits and getting the cars with the ReBs on them.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Older dudes didn't like that flashes. They was ready to
get the money.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Was all low riding.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, that's what that's what that was what to go to.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
That's why you think all the low runner clubs started
prospering baby gangs the turtle that see then my generation
they started buying.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
We started buying low rolling with the money. We didn't
buy houses. Is old.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
You shout out to the honey baby games because he
can hear his name, said, yeah, you should have me
on there with the homie.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, oh yeah, Top, you're gonna say that. You know that,
You know, you know, you gotta realized we was low
riding with khaki suits. So we want to take our
cakes on where the gold chain?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
These Swiss suits? You know, we go certain places. We
started doing family value, but we didn't buy no houses.
We were living in the houses we grew up here.
We live in our same neighborhood. We was looking at
like shit, we already got a house. Your grandpa in
the own house, your grand mom in the own house.
You ended up gonna taking it over at our generation.
We just wanted supposed to take it over. And seventeen
years old. If you were seventeen years old in nineteen
eighty two, your house as you grew up in, you

(19:25):
were the next inheritance of that house. You gotta be
seventeen and eighty two, eighteen and eighty two, eighty three,
you was gonna be the If you grew up in
the house you grew up in the generation. You were
the next person. You inherit that house. And then all
the reasons you did inherit it because we went to
jail eighty four and started doing thirty years stretches, twenty
year stretches, ten years stretches, eight stretched.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Why stretches.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know we're going to wai to the pen and
stuff like that that we don't creating all this friction.
The crips is really big in the pen. In the
early eighties, we start, you know, we start doing our things.
So a lot of us that's in the street, they
started buying house. If you successful, then go to jail.
I went to the pen and came home.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
I have a light to it.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
You end up buying your house on moving out your
neighborhood to Lancaster, to a Cyrebury Dino Marino Valley and
all that stuff that's towards the late eighties. Eighty two,
you was right there in the neighborhood doing your thing
because you have trap house in the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Now, when you got popped in up, you said you
went in eighty.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Four, right, I went to eighty four movies your charge.
How did they get you robbery and manslaughter.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Robbery and manslaughter.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
So you see wyem in six years and nine months,
I kicked out, went to the pan oh so.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
You went straight from YE to the penitentiary.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Then, yeah, I got kicked out of WII, went to
Straighten the penitentiary, left forty eight hundred. In June, I
left forty hundred and eighty five. I went to June
eighty four and left eighty five, went to Waii and
then got kicked out of Wii in eighty six. I
had to come up to eighty nine mm.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And then when you went to the penitentiry, what did
you go?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
I went to CNC West.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I went to Corkoro and opened up Corkorom with the Hatchippe.
You know, I leveled three, Level one, Level two. I programmed.
I programed my whole. When they kicked me out of WII,
I to the program because it wasn't it wasn't about
you know, me, me and Yi. You know, I spoke
Swaheiti fluently. I learned from a lot of dudes like
Monster Cody. You know, they was my age, that's my generation.
Mansa Cody. You know, we we you know, he taught

(21:19):
me to why I had my homie bugs him alone.
You know, all them dudes was my.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Age Rainbow, you know, different brothers.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, I never never joined Blue Notes or SEE
or CEO, but they was my homies. You know, there
was fellow Crip members from my past, so I still
hold my relationship with them.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Dude, no matter what they decided to go do, they
were still crypts to me. So I still help my
relationship with them.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
But me being a YA and being an influencer in YA,
they was trying to get me to influence brothers to come.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Together in YA.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I got kicked out of White Together that I
kicked back of this out too smart and too intelligent
for their program. So they kicked me out, send me
to the prison. I spent my last three years in
prison and in nine months and I programmed got Corkoring
with Level three was the biggest yard I physically been
on when they opened that up in nineteen, I mean
the open corking up like nineteen eighty eight, eighty eight

(22:10):
eighty seven or something.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
So I want to go back to something because you
mentioned the Black Panthers earlier, and then you mentioned, you know,
we had to talk about the peace treating things that nature.
Do you think that there were certain people that certain
forces that played, certain entities that played to tried to
disrupt some of that piece in different things.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
That nature you talking about back then all with us too, yeah,
both yeah, both yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Period period of course, they entercod whatever to they called
it jaguber and the ac pod pillow unit. They did
that in the in the in the in the in
the sixties, and that around all the ways into the seventies.
And then when they hit us in the eighties, they
used the local LAPD called crash.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Against street holders. Really res was against Treehill them. They
was visious on us. They would beat us. They would
put us on the high hoods.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
They would put you down the bumper and mickey, you
look at the headlights of a car and put the
high things on your vision up. You know, a lot
of us mensally fucked up from that beat us. Put
the drugs on them, drop us off and drop us
off in gangoods. I physically dropped off. We had to
run back home. I physically watched them drop off enemies
of us, and we whoop on them.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You know. They put them back of the car and
taking the jail you know, it ain't no prolem with that.
They we know what they're doing. They told were the
biggest gang in La y'all ain't the biggest game. Were
the biggest game.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Because that because I've heard I've heard things from some
of the older feelings like about trains on the train
tracks being opened, a bunch of machine guns and stuff
like that. Stuff for that nature.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Did you run all that? See, my neighborhood wasn't on
the train track but on Slawson, so Slosson. It was
moving in the busy street.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
When they ran down an Alameter trains with the Alameda,
then people knew what they was having guns on them trains.
Because you got to realize when the Blacks came to
the to the front of the South in the late
fifty early fifties and the forties whatever, when they came
to California, the projects were built and watched the niggas
and guards to PJ the Jordan down.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You gotta run out.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Then the only projects that run through the South Central
on the east side is to watch and where I'm
at the Peblos and coming to downtown. So all the
Blacks couldn't get off downtown. They had to get off
in the project. They did them up to training the project.
Because the projects is the mill for military military veterans
is coming home.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
They would put them in the project.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
So they had the train sits that run downtown from
Long Beach Port all the way through downtown LA to
Alameda down. So they was having weapons coming back and
forth through that transformation, you know what I'm saying. How
whatever they was doing it. And when they get by
the project, they would drop them guns off there because
they knew that if they put their blacks against each
other they had to use that would in this theory
with guns. So they would drop the guns off and

(24:41):
sit them there on the trains and people will get them.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
What you think and not. It wasn't just gun the TVs, armor,
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Bulletpoop, vessels. It was you know, it was all type
of stuff. It was just a matter of getting you
to be a thief and getting you to They had
to prank some to separate us.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
So, yeah, of course the train it was a motherfucker
on Alameter.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's why you think the projects were so heavy, So Lord,
because they was next to the projects. So you came.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
So you came home in nineteen eighty nine, right Christmas Eve?
You came home in nineteen eighty nine. What happened? Man?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
When I when I came home in eighty nine, it
was a whole new era. You didn't realized I come
on Christmas Eve two years before the riots.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
So it was a whole era.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
You know, everybody had their own ways. There wasn't no
khaki suits wearing no more. It was people still selling drugs.
But it was all fucked up, you know what I mean.
It wasn't no organization no more. It wasn't no high
end money being made. Really, the people was settling in,
had money, They was buying their home, moving out of
the neighborhoods. And the people that didn't have no money
was see the neighborhood trying to trap and the police

(25:49):
was trapping there, so gaffle them up, gasfle them up.
And then you know, come ninety two and even you
know before ninety though, let's say ninety eighty, I come
up ninety ninety one one.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
It was just a matter of you ride.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Around trying to get your money, survive in the streets,
and it was heavy back game, backing again because like
you said, we didn't have the organized we didn't have
the structure or consequences. So a lot of people that
came home, a lot of people that never really been
to jail until their first married go run. Now you're
in a fifth or sixth generation. Now a fourth fifth generation,
you know, the really sixth generation who really don't care.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
About it, don't have no penitential experience. They've been to
forty eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
They glamorized the game baking, and so you know, every
ten years and five years, another situation coming about. So
what we started in eighty to eighty four went away
in eighty four. We started going to jail eighty five.
So then you have another generation in eighty six that
was under me. They started making their money eighty seven,
eighty eight, eighty nine with some brothers. That's my age.

(26:49):
They was the big boss. Is now my brother and
my little brother rest in the piece.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
They was a boss. They was riding around a silver
Ronald trucks on dates. They had all the old school car.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
They was buying the bun they buying the car washes
on Manchester the hood buy business to buying houses in
the hood, buying house on the outskirts of Marino Valley
and Lancaster. They was buying the houses and when their
parents moved and these dudes had money, youngsters. So we
would come home with too money. When we come home
with going by family bags. We're not in the hood
every day. Those that was in the hood. We was
trying to open up rock houses. Again, it wasn't working.

(27:19):
It worked, it worked because you know to this day
it's still working with some people. But it wasn't highly
profiled like it was in the early eighties when I
came home man So when the rocks, So when the
rod took place of ninety two, I mean, like I said,
I was, I had a car wash with the homies
that were doing our car wash on Manchester. Were bought
a nice house one hundred and fift of Western. You know,
I had a brand new Camaro ninety five Irock Lorenzo.

(27:42):
We was ride Rovald Lorenzo and the naughty sterning wheel.
You know, we're going to the club and stuff like that.
We was, we were dressed up and stuff, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Looking sweet man. We were stopped. We were swat. We
go to the malls, you know, we go to.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Slass of swap meeting, you know, but that that generation
that came in and in the nineties, in ninety two
before the little bit of the generation that was left
before until ninety two, that was the last of the
Mohiggans of that generation, and they started to little little
drug wars basically what drug wars. Gay Bang was still
up and all high, but when Ross Rod happened, it
was all game. Everybody supported the peace treaty except maybe

(28:18):
two or three games.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
But they had their reasons.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Why I can't knock everybody because everything, you know, the
devil still got this part to play it. Everybody didn't
believe it. Even some brothers just joined from every hood
that made peace. There was still at least twenty percent
of the people that didn't believe in peace. But they
didn't do nothing to disturb it. They said, they stayed
their distance.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
That's natural, Bo, that's natural.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's still nothing. You can't knock somebody.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's not if somebody did something to your brother or
your closeness friend, it's hard to swallow that pill.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Without a doubt and brace that dude, you know, to
this day.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
So if you if you were at peace with yourself
and you made peace of God and you passed it
up and you embraced the dude that once your enemy shot,
you killed somebody. You know, Clo, you're breaking down, then
you're a forgiven person. You don't walk the yard, you know.
You know what I'm saying, You just scale the tree.
Now it's you know you got that about not everybody
and not like that. Mm.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
So you know when you start talking about eighty nine,
the gang bang was at full force. I came in
California nineteen eighty eight. I came in California nineteen eighty eight.
What do you think the main difference between back gang
banging back then versus now? Because it seemed like now
it's a lot of stuff going on. Man, it's crazy
right now.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well now now you got to yes, we got kids,
well we always kids when we started fifteen, fourteen years old,
thirteen you know we was off thirteen. There ain't no
different age. But what you have now compared to then,
we didn't have what they have now opportunities. We didn't
have the social media where they could go get good jobs.
And you seeing people living their life through the cameras.

(29:52):
You know, this wasn't happened, This wasn't no YouTube, This
wasn't happening with us. So they got these opportunities. Now,
so now anybody can jo. You gotta look at kip
off and clip walking. You wasn't no, it wasn't no, no,
no playing with the klip walking.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
If you klip walk, you got bag.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
You don't clip klip park was in the household dance.
I see these kids do this yere Man's people lost
their lives shuffling their feet. There's people, there's people got
beat down shuffling their feet. There's people's size, and it's
not a game. It was it was either let's say,
killed or be killed.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
So serious business. So so anybody just didn't crypt walk
the crip walk dance. So you can really get hurt walking, man,
you get really hurt clip walk. You would get hurt
wearing certain ship like he do right here right now. Man,
you you know I came back.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
The crips would even drink fruit punch and the blood
wouldn't even drink the blue. It wasn't no blue drinks. Nobody,
are you serious? Swear to god, we didn't drink fruit punch.
We didn't wear red, they didn't wear blue. If they
had a blue wine is right there they didn't drink it.
They didn't have it there, so they just they didn't
wear blue and we didn't drink fruit punch.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
That's how serious it was.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Anything goes now they I don't think nobody tripping.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
No, you can wear a boot red skinny jeans if
you want skinny jeans back there on top of the game, Briver,
you got ran up in straight out. You're sagoony. You
aren't using words now no more.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
You know what I mean. I mean everything is open game.
It's fair game. It's I mean, it's you know, it's
the truth. It don't make no sense. It don't look
good for anybody to join the game.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I've seen the dude get jumped in the other day
on the house Sianas on YouTube, thirty four years old.
And I've seen the brother tell you, man, you're too old.
You gotta be fourteen, fifteen to thirty four.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
You need to be going to do just life job.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
A thirty four year old dude jumped in.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, he wanted to get jumped You want to get this.
It's fun with you, man, you know that. See that's
the fad now because they think it's the coolest thing
to do.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Because the only opportunity outside of squares, outside of work,
outside of hard playing on try against some real money game.
Banging is is like an addiction to an irresponsible person.
It's like a nigga you trying to gain back. Now
you might will going to count and get on g
R because you ain't working. You ain't got no life
because you showed this life.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Do you think you know? You talk about the social
media era, and that's what we're in right now. And
I think people they start listening to some of these
numbers that are overly inflated. I've been in the business
pretty much since it started, and some of the money
that they talk about is just not real. You feel
what I'm saying. And I think people hear about them

(32:28):
numbers and they decide that they want to come in. Now.
These some people are making some money, but it's not
like they say it is right. It's a lot more
to it than that. Do you think, man, do you
think all the stuff going on today it's destructive? Like
because I see older guys on YouTube acting the food
now very destructive.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Very destructive, very irresponsible, very unprofessional, very very very lack
of discipline.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Knowledge of really what goes on as a grown man.
I'm a sixty year old man.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I'll be damn if I get on on these platforms
and sit there and talk about the shit happen these
you talk about and having the shit they talk about.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
They know they're not ridly about.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
But because there are no consequences no more, because the
law chain that people have moved onto their lives, they
don't have the time to participate or activated to these
actions unless it hit home, unless it hit the depth
and somebody died that.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
They really know, Oh you gotta stop it now.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
You know you're push it. You know it's too much
open game right now. This this this they misconscrewaged stuf.
They take stuff to a wrong level, like I see
everything on this Like you said, the money with Wily
and Getty, Oh man, they got a hundred million. Look
at such and stuff they got so minion. See when
they hear that everybody want to start a podcast. Now

(33:44):
you look at numbers, that's like twenty six thirty hounds views,
they're looking at thirty six thousd views.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
You're not getting no money because you got thirty six
thousand views.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
And if you're just getting some money, it's like gr
money so you're really looking for clouding attention and this this,
this social media is giving some people attention when they
really should be youse for knowledge and generational wealth right now.
It should be giving people to open the platform. It's
a platform, you call the platform. It's a platform that
we should be utilizing this for the betterment of ourself,
not for the worst of myself. And most seventy five

(34:13):
percent of dudes on here it's using it for the
worst reason, and that's cloud chasing, trying to take credit.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Social currency, social currency, social currency.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's all. That's all.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Can I ask you this? Can I ask you? Because
you certified, you solidified in what you've done, and you
know everybody knows you and love you. You well respected.
We're percentage of the people of the old guys that
you see on the internet acting like they was the
man back in the day. We're percentage of the people lying.
It's seventy five seventy five percent of them.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Seventy five percent I'm lying, seventy five when I'm lying,
and when I say lying, I'm not saying they saw
seventy five.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Fifty percent of y'all wasn't even a right now, was
at work.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Look, you was at work, you was at college, you
was in school, you were looking out the window.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
You ain't been in jail.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
You ain't walked the four yard you was wasn't a
forty eight hundred. You weren't in thirty three hundred. You
weren't in jail in nineteen eighty three, eighty four, eighty five.
My generation, you wasn't a camping nineteen eighty at Campin's Dollars,
the June, all ealthy East Lake and all in the
nineteen seventy nine, seventy eight with my big homie, seventy
seven seventy six, you was the squares.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
And now y'all want to come home, and that come out.
Now you come home, you want to come outside or
come from.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Your suburban area wherever you live in the woodworks and
come out here like you the heart head, because the
dudes that would check you are pented or in the
country doing life, and they change either Muslims now they're old.
Now they got the lot. They're trying to come home,
you know what I mean. But at the old them,
you couldn't stand the right ladies. So don't even try
to act like you was, because a lot of these
dudes is filling spaces that's empty, like a parking space

(35:55):
that's empty, like a card that's been sent for years.
You know how you sitting at car and act like
you low ryding but the car got no edgidenty. But
you you know, like you're playing house, playing streets, bro,
they're playing streets. They're not playing house, they're not playing
high and go get it. They're playing streets out here,
and they're playing on the devil's playground. And one thing
about the devil, you don't play you know when they're

(36:15):
devil played games with you.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Okay, So I want to go because I know we
got so much going on, We got so much cracking, man,
and you don't did so much right? So how did
you wind up hooking up with mystical of all people?
Because we go go into all celebrities and knowing left,
How did you wind up with the dude from south
central Los Angeles look up with mixed mistic How did
you look good with him?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
And it's funny part about it, man, it's a trip
because I was selling weed that did right, and that's
when we got car pretendo.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
It was car pretendo. This is like nineteen ninety six,
ninety five, ninety six. So Miscal was coming to La
and a friend of mine, cousin, my big called your mind.
He ain't game bag. His cousin is from the Orders.
No mescal real good.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
So they want to buy some weeds smoke, you know,
in the La hotel by the airport. You know, with
master P, they can't leave. So I took him some
weed up there to smoke. And you know it's mystical,
you know, but he's already hanging with some boys on
the East Side and they chuck and I knew from
records in Little Eve Folkoos, you know, so they already
had it, you know, like I said, we got hustled.
He was been doing everything. So I met him through that.

(37:22):
And when I met him, you know, this is this
last little leg with master P. So me and they
got close to the weeds. So I went to New
Orleans with him, kicked him with him ship you know,
I'm out there chilling, kicked him with him. So when
he decided in ninety six, Job cut him into some
mystical from Job records from No Limit. That's when the
movie shaky, That's when it's ang shaky fast and danger
came out.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
So he said, man, Bone, let's create our own label.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Are you with me?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I said, yeah, come on, I ain't no, I don't
do something shit. I'm a smart mother. I already knew
Ice tob have already been induced to snoop dog. I
already knew should sugar induced me to snoop? In ninety two,
you got realized the ninety two I was the one
that had n c eating him. Come to South Park
dub c ice Cues sponsors, all of them came to
South parking supporters on the peace treaty for real, and
they supporting. We did a show called the Uni Festival.

(38:08):
We played football one day. The next day we had
the concert and we asked him to come. Jada pick
It came the football player.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
All the people came.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And that's when we start non profiting ourself. Like turned
like the black panther. Something came out of it. So
when I when I've been mystical, I was already in
the streets. So when he left Jove and went shaking
fanst and blew up, I was with him every step
of the way. And then I ended up being his
role manager and run the label with him. Big Truck Records,
which I have right here chapter on my own Big

(38:36):
Truck Records. And what you see on him chain that
I'm the only one with that tattoo. I'm the only
one with that tattoo. And and you know, so s
I hooked the.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Old when he went when he went.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
To jail, uh the first time, I was his role manager.
I was his best friend. That's my best friend. Still
hold one talking about I watched.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
You play.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
We keep losing your sound a little bit.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, somebody trying to call in. So me and him
became best friends. You know, we became best friends, uh.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
During that time.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
So I'm talking about with Nivia shaking fat, the transfer,
the whole album even to this date, you know what
I mean. I travel the world and and then when
he went to jail, I went to road with p
D Pablo. Then I hud pd Poblo because he wanted
to work with Sugar Knights or Hookedy mo shub Night.
You know that that episode went wrong. And then I
went with a dude named Ooh Week. And that's how
me and Snoop got close, you know, cause I got
Ooh Week, which is UH out of Atlanta at the time.

(39:43):
Two thousand and five, I got a song clear why
cry your Eyes? I got shot and not to clear
that song, and we did a song with Snoop and
then we didn't how the West One tour with Snoop
in the game and just come out of the documentary.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
So I was a role manager, tour manager. I was already,
you know everything with Jive Records.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I've met Rcady that I'm in the back street, but
the whole ninety six to two thousand and six music industry,
I was there, I met, I was there on the
road with everybody.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I did sol Trate the world with Meschigal, you know.
So and I hooked up with Snoop when he signed
the massive pim Me and him got close. You know.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I go to this house in mescal from LA and
you know, we got close. So you know, I've been around.
I took my way from the streets. After the peatriots
start a nonprofit to the music industry, and I left
a nonprofit alone, just helped support it because it wasn't
no money.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
They weren't giveing us some money.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Maxine Water was the only one that's given us money
to open up the Center eighty seven of Vermont.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Now I got to ask about it. When did you start?
When did y'all start working with amer I can and
all that.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, you gotta realize, American I CAN program was up
with my boy with the big homye Rockhead from sant
Tyna Block Rockhead, high Time, Grave Street played Maison grave Street,
killed Sugar grave Stry, a lot of Grave Streets of Compton, dudes,
west A. They was with American I CAN program. At first,
you gotta run out. They was up shit since like

(41:04):
nine eighty nine, ninety ninety one. They was already for
the rise. America I CAN was a Community Use Gang
service was the only program that was geared.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Towards gang intervention and helping brothers get out of gang.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
But Jim Brown was more year these brothers how to
start your own businesses and stuff and everything. And Rockhead
happened to be like the main one into that recruiting
people into that program. So when the Rocks, when the
riots happened ninety two, that program already existed and.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
They helped us start our programs.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
We just went to the We just went to Community
Use Gang Services on Western and Slason in our community
and went to them for help. And the rest of
us already that American I Can. Then Bogart started Hands
across Watts, you know what I'm saying. So it was
only like four programs in ninety two. Its American I Can,
so I Center using Community Service, which is my program,
and you had Hands across Watts. Them three programs started

(41:56):
out after that. Then you had Unity one two three,
such as such and such as That's like in ninety five,
the companies.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Ninety two, it was only three programs out of all
the games.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
In LA, out of all the programs.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
You know, I wanted was a regular program, and all
these programs wasn't out.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
And we started the program the non profit me Toy
boke Art, We even and a few others, you know,
the home. Everybody else is still doing their thing. They
didn't build relationships with each other, but they weren't thinking
about no program. We were thinking about the program for
the kids and the better jobs and so and so
we just took over a program that.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Was already existed. What nobody going through.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, so did some of them programs do a lot
of good for the community. Most of them did.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, most of them Urban League. You know, we did
change that say yes, which is big.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You see when Big You came home years later, it
started his program development options.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
They had a grant already up under Say Yes program.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
You know, they was already side that whatever they was
getting a grant, and you know you got to be
five years up under received city funded grant, so it
kind of regulated. We did the same thing they gave
us the grat. You know, he was getting graded out
of five years. He did the same thing tenure. Damn
the seven years later he got his grap money. So

(43:10):
I know what that's here today. I know the parts
about what they're talking about, but a lot of people
don't know what they be saying. Because they did they
will be saying that they're saying.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Now, do you think that some of the little homies
day I want to go back to the young guys
today that started here game banging, you know, the guys
with the tattoos on their face, and you know it
just looked, you know, like a little social pasts, right,
did you think that? Do you think that the older
generation kind of let them dudes down because they don't
have them type of programs no more. It's like these
guys really out here with no guidance.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Well, it's a fab now. I mean you gotta look
at it. The skinny jeans would have never happened. Tattoos
all that on your face wouldn't happen.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
That he was in praise. He was a damn foe.
He was a straight, damn fold with it.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
When you look at my generation with tattoos on their face,
we had tears drops. We had tattoos on my neck.
I got tattooed on my neck, my hood on my neck,
I got gave tattoos all of my arm face, But
we had tears drops. You might have somebody with it
cross right here the hood right here somewhere. Very few
went across their forehead like that.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Very few went on they cheek. You know, our neck
was I living tearsdrops on each side.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Or you have the name of the hood right here,
small five and the two and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
But all the stuff they doing nowadays, that's just this
cosmo fashion.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Look. Because I don't think them little dudes. I think
one cat.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Gucci, Gucci channel on their face, bro Money signed on
their face, Gucci, Shanela money side on your face.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
You got it.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
You ain't got no money. These dudes got all these
things on each side.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Is wearing wearing bust downs overseas, Gucci, Channello and stuff
they're getting off the West side. But over in China
whatever they call us a chop shop. You know the copycat.
Come on now, most of these dudes has got these
tattoos on their face.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
It's showing that I'm crazy, not actually like crazy said,
you're crazy, And.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I don't think these little brothers think about that. One
day they have to try to go get the job
or they gonna have to, you know, get their stuff
together one day because you grew up. Everybody grew up
and you did, or you go down one.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
They're not they're not thinking like that because we didn't
think like that. Did We just had pursuit certain things
they pursue. They're not thinking like that right now. We
didn't think that that at fifteen, sixteen, seven years old,
like I said, I was living. I thought about it,
thinking about I had enough money at sixteen years old
to buy me three houses. I was making five thousand
a day at sixteen years old, I didn't think about

(45:31):
I didn't think about nothing.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Buying no house or nothing.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
All thought of aut buying a car buying these feeling
BJ clothes now khaki suits. When the homies come home
from the from Ya and juvene the hallard, that's where
were coming from, buying them for clothes, taking them to
the surf Plus buying them khaki Stacey Adam cuorco sacks
all Star. You know, if you be dressed up, we'll
take you over to the mall and used to feed
the bjs stancing at tennis shoes, silk shirts from downtown

(45:57):
and you know the guest store in the Cooper Building.
You know, if you dress it's a sharp You know,
you want to get your term now because you're player,
you're a hustling.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
You want to sell the g the D board, you know,
but we're still gain back it. That's where the clicks
came in.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Why is in the probably third world, you know, to
connect who would connect all the stuff. Then you had
the rich Rowland came out later in life, and you
know every game had their own situation where they're hustling.
Now it's not an organization. You know, nobody want an
organization because they really don't want to do that no more.
And the ones that's doing it that they accomplishing nothing
out of it and making something up out of it.

(46:30):
It's just losing it, just doing it to be doing
it's a fast cloud chasing. You gotta realize cloud back
in our generation was a good word.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
But they got cloud. That mean you had a lot
of repute that you had, you have to respect. You
got cloud.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
This word now cloud, they ain't changing to something else
like now you know because of social media. You want
to on social media at first you want to get
a cloud and you with your integrity, with your bag,
what you got going on in life nowadays the whole
thing man so so so so this stuff is watered down.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Ain't no water. It's as dry as the African Well.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, so so Cubone you talk about you was making
five thousand a day years. Yeah, I want to go
back to that time period when you was making that money.
Did you envision the community, the black community getting tore
up the way it did because the black community never
cut in this nationwide. The black community never recovered from
the cocaine, from the crack cocaine. It never recovered. And

(47:28):
it's like we're being attacked again with the it's we
stayed under the technic. It was the heroine. It was
the heroine before it. Then it was the crack, then
it was now it's the pills.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, what happened was what happened one did.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Now there you go, you're back, Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
What happened was the era back then. What happened was is.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
When it first came out eighty two eighty three, I
started saying, when I went to jail eighty four eighty five,
I started seeing the day down fall.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Because you know, it took away.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I tegured it because you know, people started losing their houses,
They started losing them around.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
That's when they word strawberries came up. We created the
world strawberries, you know, giving a girl crack the strawberry.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
But when we.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Started selling houses, wrinting cars and stuff, and I started
seeing people just turn into like real old feed like addicts,
like really losing the note washing they face. No more
shoes is gone. These dudes want us older. I say
that stuff eating us up. But us that didn't use
it to that extent never looked at it like that
because we was benefiting off of it, you know what

(48:40):
I mean. But when we realized that benefit was hurting
our people, we.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Was in Waii. We was in jail, count of jail
doing stretches. You know what I'm saying. Twenty fifteen years
at seventeen years old, coming on at twenty six thirty,
twenty years old. By that time, it was gone.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It sponsor became our community, ages in our community. Everybody
we come on, we have no communitymore. All the people
that lost their houses and stuff, and you know, grandparents died,
the mamas and the aunties, they shrugged out on crack.
Your cousin smoked out on crack. Uncle smoked out on crack.
Everybody in that generation that's older than you that could
hold on for your this is gone. Your in generation

(49:17):
they gone on crack. My generation gone on cracking. Drug.
It wasn't a new drug out. Yeah, at that time,
it was just a cocaine era. Came all the way
up into the ice ERAa. When they tell me that
ice came in, Ice took everything cocaine didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
And that's the interrority.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
And the Blacks got scared of ice because you know,
we didn't do let's deed and all that stuff back then.
We did cocaine, angel dust, the sharan and heroin. It
have of us didn't do heroin. We're scared the area.
We're scared of angel so shearm and cocaine was hard
to go to.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
That fucks you up.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Well, you know what the sharam think the sharam trade is.
That's the only drug that black people primarily dealing and
that we didn't get took from us. Not saying it's
a proud thing, but you know, the manufacturing of it,
it's like a trade secret or something like.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
That, because we did it, because we manufactured it. We
didn't we manufact we our elders made that ship. Happen
here to cut up in the house.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
If you don't know what you're doing, get your house
blow up, get your face tour off exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
At the same time, it was so strong that you
who you whoop ten niggas off of it. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
You you if you want to, if you want to
share it, you want to take somebody, go to a party,
take a shriff, me and nigga to a party and
give him a stick in the party and watch what
he do.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Shut it off for real. He set off for real.
We're gonna set it off for real. So that's how
that went. So Cuebone. You run with a lot of
celebrities out here. Right, you run with a lot of people.
You have, you a man of influence and massive respect
right right that way? Can l A? Can the stuff

(50:52):
that's going on in l A get repaired?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Now?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's l A beyond repair.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
No anything can be prepared and l A can be
repaired prepared. It's just you got to wake up and
get these people. That's the fool gaisis. You know, we
gotta go back to our mentality and get these too.
Your kid the truth. Let him know if that dude
over there that he looking up to ain't worth shit,
and the ain't gonna do shit but talk shit. And
if you gotta pull out that, if you gotta do

(51:17):
what you gotta do to show that, and do what
you gotta do to show that if you care about
these kids are your kids, you.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Sometimes you know, we gotta ask whoopers, so sometimes they
can ask. The only reason you don't get adsle by
now because it's gun playnigga ask you come back to
shoot you.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Well, they was gonna do that back then to us.
So if you're gonna bring it back, bring it back,
you know what I'm saying. But when you look at.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
La compared to other states. We'll live a nigga to
carry guns. So the lesson the guns that can be brandished,
the lesson, you know, the threat of what you're up against.
You know, you're up against somebody coming back. But now
you go to Texas, Arizona, Tennessee and all the other
take you dudes walking around with a RS and stuff.
So yeah, there the vidy has happened. When it happened,
it happened quick. It don't happen every day like that.

(51:58):
They flash me up there. They pop each other every day,
you know, but we when we pop off, we pop
off for real. Something really happens and and it's it's
a repercussion. But nowadays there's not no repercussions like that
because it's out of towns that's doing the ship that
we're So it's not really us that can't be changed.
We could change, but we got to stop the outside
people with no influence but negative influence come into our

(52:21):
city and tell us what we should and should not
be doing and pushing the envelope, pushing the envelope on
us to go do something, do this.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
You know, you look at a lot of these dudes
out here nowadays they being misled.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, you know, I gotta go back to something. Man
you was talking about the Oh she's very white and
the businessman was very white.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
With the business man with the business. Let me do
you something. He had a d voice.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I'm there, you know, you know when they got when
a business man, he's a big old dude. You know,
I got to pished him with the big back there
in the business. Miss a part. You gotta realize he's
a cook age and get my mother in trouble. Baseball
team was called the micro Players that we played on
White and all of us watching Barry White grow up,
all the Chilie Davis and all them, all these baseball

(53:09):
we had baseball and so far so Barry had a
baseball team called the micro Player for my generation and
we played on this team. We should go to this
house in Baldwin Hills and out there with the lady
gun dogs. Like I said, him and my mama and
Bubble up all them was best friends as kids get here.
So yeah, he he was like when the business man
used to get into it with people. Barry was a voice.

(53:30):
He had a voice.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
He took us out, you know, we'll we gonna get out,
throw out somewhere. That voice was intimidated.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Mm hmmm. So so let me ask you this. The
Barry had hands, Yeah, he had hands.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
But buried and there. My dad used to tell me
Barry didn't really get into fights like that. He had
a voice, but Barry was the player like him. Bubble up,
you know how you got ye me, I'm about to
fire to my hood. I tell you I could fight,
But I'm.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
The nigga knocking out nigga. I'm not a nigga that
got reputation for knocking out shooting up like that.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I got my reputation with being who I am, networking
fellowship and bringing the hoods together and bringing brothers together.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Well, you gave banks fat, but I bought hood together.
Like my neighborhood got close to six oaths back in
the day. I did that.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
You know what I'm saying. My neighborhood got. We wasn't
socialized with a lot of neighborhoods. So when I was
like a person you know, got on socialized, I found
my niche and that was my niche. You know, I
could do any and everything, but that was not my
main core. Some people had their main core very white
had a court like me.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
He was more of a socializing the network. You know,
he want the contract. He spoke. I speak for my community.
I could speak where he boded. Set it off.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
We're gonna set it off. Sometimes your voice travel. Some
people can't speak. Some people know how to speak. Me,
I know how to speak. I was groomed well and
raised well. My daddy was the biggest dude in my
neighborhood and the business man. One of the biggest dudes
in the business man in South Park was my dad.
They called it Big Buddha. They had twenty into that.
My dad had twentieth drawings in nineteen twenty years old,

(55:03):
Big Swift knock Now. My daddy known to knockout five
six people at a party.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Known to me. What MASSI everybody?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
So you know I'm his son. So my leadership came
from my daddy, my uncles, and my mama. You know
what I'm saying. That's how I got to be who
I am. I follow my daddy. Mon but I'm not
the fighter. I'll fight you, run up illa get off.
But at the same time, I'm not the one that's
a threat threaten me.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, you raised one of my one of my good
one of my good homeboys always talk about you may
say you raised them Jeeperico.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, that's my little homie. That's my little homy from
a neighborhood man. You know, and and and you know,
I watch him come around and watch him come into existence.
I watch him change. I kind of help him change,
you know, seeing me pursue the music career, being a
road manager, seeing me make peace in the programs, and
the influence that I've.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Done on my community till to this day.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
There's not one person in my neighborhood that I treat favoritism.
You're all the same, if you right, you right, you wrong,
you wrong?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
No, I don't. I don't. I don't have no war
story to tell nobody.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I'll have your food to sit there and tell some
war story, because that all you're doing is it's just
too many stories to be told, too much.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Bodence talking about I don't need I don't need to
talk about no body. I don't need to talk about
what you can go to Oh who buzz and doing that? No,
that's dude, Just like Johnson's on the king Ate Parade,
the other day. They come on, man, when like I.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Said on Instagram, when the police start putting that suppression
and taking these hunsten doing throwing the doing them in
jail for three strikes or getting them these these these
rico acts and the fans and a criminal organization. The
dudes can't stay and do five years. They're gonnaell, they're
gonna get twenty thirty year. They're really gonna they're gonna
bump theirself in jail. Only don't they don't. They don't
have what we had back there. They don't have the opportunities,

(56:45):
you know, to go to trade either, gonna work there.
You got a little screen TV phone, they're gonna give you,
you know, in there that stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
They give you food and stuff and fuck that food.
To fuck that food, nigga.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I'm not trying to sit there in the mother fucking jail,
eat cantons and spread for the retiro life that we
can make it spread out in the street just better
than there.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
If you want.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Ain't nothing but freedom, man. You know this time when
this time that went fast as hell. Man, I appreciate
you coming on man shantling with you. Boy man, brother,
you know we're gonna have to have you on. We
go we go start because what we go start doing, man,
is getting people that are just regulars on the show man,
you know, first half, because I'm gonna tell you, man,
I don't like doing man, dealing with artists and all

(57:24):
that stuff and doing all that. Brother, these have people
that's gonna come on and talk some wisdom. You know,
they've got something to say.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
That's man, you know, like you know, that's that's That's
only podcasts I would do. I only did a couple
of podcasts, and every podcast I do, I get on that.
I talk positive. I talk like I talk right now.
I did the same next podcast on the Spot at
the Spot talk.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
The same, you know, because you because you up in
the Bay now right.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, I'm in the baby, but I'm back and forth
in l A. I did this podcast. Yeah, I've been
a bay for nine years. I've been living in the
Bay Area for nine years. I come back and forth
like home. I've been doing this all my life. But
I lived in the Bay Area nine years. Yea, my
wed I wear to sick with a chain. I want
to sick with a change, that's right. Gave a friends.
That's because I'm a big brother. You know this wise guy.

(58:09):
Only the family, the members you know, and I'm the
only la dude. I saw mugs to me with his
family that has it. Everybody them mugs shout up to
the domy mug.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
It's a good friend of mine. Yeah, man, good people.
You know, good dude. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
You know we're all older man, and we treasured this
as as a hard stone topping family.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
You know, it's it's a business.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Hey man, I'm gonna tell you some man. I wear
my age like a bag of finer man, because I said,
we survived some stuff, man Like I had a young
cat one day called me over and I said, man,
you see that like hurting my feelings or something. That's
where my strength comes from. You feel what I'm saying.
You better.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
I'm sixty. That's why I tell him I'm sixty years old.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Man.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I can walk back there with you, but you can't
walk too far with me before I get up at
He'll see I could see sixty. You can't see thirty
five because you're only thirty two. You only can see
half a block up. You can see half a block off.
You can see you can you could walk two steps up,
you know, but you can't walk ten steps up because
you're not made that age yet.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
If we don't have that age for that, wish your
Instagram bone big.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Q Bone fifty two and cook them with cue Bone Show.
But y' y'all find me a big cubone. That's right.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
You don't got to talk about that. You snooze private
shift too.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Right, Yes, sir Jacob, Jacob trains jacko Mini Trade, Jack
of All Trade.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Now, I don't know, I don't know if Q Bone
cooks better than me. Were gonna have to see one day.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Man, Hey man, I can't cook bad. Nobody I cook greater.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Hey man, Hey, y'all, we're gonna talk. We're gonna tap
in with y'all next week. Me and the homeboy in
the wind we gone Hello.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Hello,