April 9, 2026 • 43 mins
Seth and Tray take it back to the 2000s to spotlight the ultimate “glue guys” the players who may not have been superstars, but were essential to keeping their teams together and competing at the highest level.
They debate what really defines a glue guy, and where the line is between role player and primary option. The conversation highlights defensive-minded standouts like Tayshaun Prince, Bruce Bowen, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, and Doug Christie, players whose impact went far beyond the box score.
Seth also shares a great behind-the-scenes story about the Curry family’s initial concerns when Steve Kerr took over the Golden State Warriors, and why they worried he might try to turn Steph into a Derek Fisher-type player.
The guys reveal their Top 5 glue guys of the decade, and cap things off with one of the best “Born in the Wrong Era” picks yet.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When Steve Kirk came to the Warriors and he was
the first thing he's saying, I'm gonna put in some
because he was around Phil Jackson and he was like,
I'm gonna put in some triangle offense type stuff and
in the way we play, we're going crew. We were
a little nervous for stuff. Were like, you you don't
want to play like the fish.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That ain't it right there? You need to run out
of pot pick and roll this, that and the other.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So we were thinking Steve was gonna try to turn
stuff into Derek Fisher.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome back to another episode of Greatest of Their Era?
What up? Dot? What up?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Trey? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man? You know? Another episode another day? Man, We got
a good one today. Man. The Greatest Blue Guys with
two thousands. You know, some of these guys you I
think some of them are retired and some of you
played against. But they were willing to do the dirty
work and some of the stuff that they are known
for are not on the stat sheet. Very loved by
(00:58):
their fan base and just really just super effective man
and beloved. Their jersey might not go into raptors or
anything like that, but they're they're able to do their things.
So you know, just for an example, uh is Mini
Genobli a glue guy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I think he just out the side of the threshold
of a glue guy. He went on those main he
I don't want to say too talented, but he's one
of those main guys on the team. Even though he
took the role to coming off the bench, took that
six man row for a lot of years in his career.
I think he's a guy who when he's on the
Florida offense was run through him like he was gonna
get his opportunities. He got a lot of players called
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for him, and I think when we're talking glue guys,
these are the guys that kind of more behind the scenes,
do the dirty work for the team, guard the best
player scored without plays being called for him. Just just
it's kind of a coach's favorite player. But I think
around the league might be a little undervalue. But if
you I feel like you said, if you're a local
(01:59):
fan or a fan of this team and you watch
them every night, you realize how productive they are, how
important they are to the team winning.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree. I think it's I think it's
kind of difficult to call Manu a glue guy. I
think he's an ultimate team guy to be able to
come off the bench, but he's just all star as winner.
He contributed a lot of baskets, you know what I mean,
Like a glue guy might get a tippy and a
glue guy might You know, we had Drey on where
you know, Doc gave him the call and said, hey,
(02:26):
go ahead and you know, win this ball game for us.
Like those, I think those are glue guy plays, you
know what I mean specifically, and say hard and soul.
Sometimes they're hard and so of the team too, you
know what I mean, Like they might be banged up,
but they're willing to do whatever for the team, you
know what I'm saying, even if it's getting traded, you
know what I mean. Like I've seen guys get traded
(02:47):
and then you know, find their way back, you know,
like Mike Conley this year and Jered Stackhouse in the
past with Dallas.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And you know that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, Like you you don't realize sometimes even the team
that has them or the office doesn't realize how important
they are to the team until they leave, and you
really they go somewhere else here that they don't that
that team doesn't feel what they they don't do what
that team needs, or like their their skill settings and
its value on a different team, or they're like, oh
we got to we.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Need him back. We're not. Yeah, we that we can't.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We can't all right what we do and our stars
don't play as well without this guy on the team. So,
like I said, sometimes they find a way back to
that organization. And some of these players, like they have
multiple runs with one one franchise.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Now you're really familiar with this topic, I mean, just
just what we're talking about right now, because you've had
multiple stints in Dallas, Like what is that like? Like
how do you feel leaving a franchise and then returning.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I mean, for me, I was comfortable going back to
Dallas the first time, man, really just because I knew
the system, like same coach, same.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Kind of just.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I don't say, like just the fundamentals of the team
or the same like the same system. I think the
first time I was there, Luca wasn't there. When I
came back, Luca was there, And the second time, the
third time I came back, Luca was.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
It was a key piece and.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Bringing me back like he wanted me, like I need
a guy like stuffing my team. So he was, like
I said, he went to the front office and basically said,
bring him back if you get opportunity. So yeah, I
mean you're comfortable, you can you can fit right in.
It's like you come back and like the fan, but
you know the city first and foremost. You know the
organization and that that transition period is a lot easier
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than say a guy who's traded somewhere for the first
time or signed somewhere for the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You don't you don't have that learning curve that most
guys have.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, and you also just understanding some business. At the
end of the day, it's all love, no hard feeling.
So I mean I didn't even know you played with
them a third term. So you know that sounded like
front office. That sounds like some front office future, you
know what I mean. They like you that much, they
have brought you back that many times.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So yeah, yeah, like I'm glad you brought the person,
like the mental part of it, because sometimes, yeah, some
guys do take it personally if you're especially if you're
traded away, like the first time I signed up to
I signed away in free agency the first time, and
then they brought me back. So it wasn't no hard feelings,
like I just went somewhere because I feel like it
(05:18):
was a better opportunity. But some guys can't go back
to the organization because they feel like it's personal.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's rarely personal sometimes it most of times it's just business.
And if if you come back and put that stuff
behind you, be a professional, you'll have a better opportunity
and you'll probably play better.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah. Absolutely, All right, let's just jump into this list
of players. We got Bruce Boyne maybe the epitome of
what it meant to be a San Antonio Spur in
two thousands, no frills, nothing fancy, defensive role player, you
know what I mean, in the system, all business down
the guard, whoever, you know what I mean. Five straight
top four finishes for Defensive Player of the Year award
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from four to eight. It's an eight time All Defensive selection.
He won three titles as a member of the Spurs Fresno, California.
Talk about Bruce bown Man.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah him, Bruce Bowen and this like I only remember
him as a Spur, Like I don't even know where
he played before or after.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Like he was there he ended up getting away, but
I mean I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Like I said, I don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Like he was so pivotal to that Spurs franchise and
then winning championships that even after he was done, they
kept trying to mold guys into who he was. Like
I think Richard Jefferson came in after. They were like,
just post yourself up in that corner.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, even though these guys were more athletic, maybe more talent,
they like, we need a guy who's who does the
stuff that Bruce Bowen does. And he had it down
to a t, like he just knew. First of all,
defensively he was a monster. He wasn't afraid to take
on the Kobe or whoever it was on the other
team and just try to hawk them around the floor.
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But then defense offensively, he just you knew where he was,
you knew he was gonna He had that one just
like that, that specialist mentality. If I'm gonna if I
get a quarter three, I'm gona knock it down and
I'm not gonna try to do too much offensively outside
of what I do.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's interesting you brought up the point of Richard Jefferson.
From their pedigree and the makings of the Spurs team.
In a starting five, it seems like they had to
have a three that guard.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, you know what I mean, needed three that guarded
who could who could scale down in guard too, like
he was a three, but he needed sometimes he needed
to go down and guard too, or even sometimes point guards.
Because they didn't want to Tony Parker taking that challenge
every night. They didn't want Manu to have to when
he came in after guards.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He's best player for forty eight minutes. So Bruce was
that guy.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And same thing with Steven Jackson. Stephen Jackson was not
a scorer on that team. He had to.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Defend, yep, defending then you can't be a liability on
ot the end. Obviously, Bruce Bond wasn't I mean highly
skilled on the office event.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
He was corner three guys and he had a simple game.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You knew he was gonna knock it down and he
was open in the corners. I don't even think he
wouldn't even take a lot of shots from above the break.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
No, he wasn't. He let them drive, He let them
you know, set up their thing, Avery and Tony, but
when he got the ball, he was knocking that thing down,
and I think that was a mutual respect in it all.
You couldn't leave him. I mean he obviously wasn't a
three point threat like you guys, but enough to respect enough,
you know what I mean in the thirties, you know
what I mean, to consistently knock it down and put
(08:29):
his team in a position to win. All right, we
talked about leaving a team and coming back. Derek Fisher
de Fishes. You know, he was never the main attraction,
never top option within the offense, but ran the offense,
coach on the floor, hard and soul of the team,
you know. Never you know, wasn't in the running for
a single award, just championship, five time champion. When I
(08:51):
think about the Lakers, you know, in his eighteen year career,
obviously he went to the Thunder, he went to Golden State,
he went to Utah and back to the Lakers. You know,
I only consider Fish for a Laker, you know what
I mean, like and always right by Kobe Sides. So
I mean, it was very interesting in our neighborhood growing up.
(09:11):
Zero point four is d Fish, you know, magical number,
you know what I mean. But also he had some
crazy players he dunk through iverson and then some that
that left the high arc three was something to respect,
you know what I mean. So still seeing d Fish,
you know, around to this day coaching high school basketball,
(09:32):
people stop and thank him for you know, his contributions
to you know, the Lakers organization. And I always I
never really fooled with De Fish like that because I
always need I wanted the Lakers to have like a
fly point guard. And once they traded off Nick Mannax,
I was mad. I was mad because like everybody else
just ran the oh you know what I'm saying, but
(09:52):
they didn't need a point guard to do all the
other stuff anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, you know, it's funny because like he was,
he was a triangle office type point guard, like bringing
up the floor, get rid of it, cut to the
corner space, whatever. So when when Kirk, Steve Kirk came
to the Warriors and he was the first thing He's saying,
I'm gonna put in some because he was around Phil
Jackson and he was like, I'm gonna put in some
triangle offense type stuff. And in the way we play,
(10:18):
We're going and we were a little nervous for Steph,
like you get to play like the Fish, that ain't
it right there? You need to run a pie pick
and roll this, that and the other. So we were
thinking Steve was gonna try to turn stuff into Derek Fisher.
Obviously that's not what happened, but that good de Fish
was he knew the triangle offense like the back of
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his hand.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I think that's key too, you know how we had
Craig just on and how important it is for guys
that are super instrumental to an offense, right, Like you
can't get that job to nobody else. Like they're gonna
run into a t how you want it, ran, They're
not going to break character. And I was I was
going to mention that as much as I dislike Derek
Fisher game, I play so much like you, I don't.
(11:00):
I don't. I don't break the rule, you know what
I mean, Like I run the offense. I'm I'm so fundamental,
like I don't get too crafty. And that kept me
on the floor. I originally started off as a like
trying to play street and have a crossover in my game.
My crossover was too wise, So it was getting picked
a lot, and I just you know, coach was on me, like, yo,
(11:24):
if you don't take care of the ball, you're not
going to be able to play. So for me to
get the most minutes, you know, started and I had
to be a second coach on the floor. It increased
my i Q. But it was a boring style of basketball.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But that simplicity was what made him so good.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like I wish I played with better. One thing is.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The highest stars around you to make it work. Defied
the simplicity, Like I said, that's when made Kobe and
Shaq love him too. He knew they going to get
him the ball on the right spots and then if
they got double and you kicked it to him, he
was gonna knock it down.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And he's also not crying about his shot. If he
gets four, he gets six. You know, it is what
it is, a shot, get double, be ready to shoot
tonight tonight, you know what I mean. And I think
that's that's super that's super interesting, especially an eighteen year career.
That's success for me. Man, I just played that long years,
eighteen of them, eighteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's suppressive.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah, uh, I literally just text this guy. Shan.
Prince is a big time contributor throughout a majority of
his career, but those years from the mid to late
two thousands with the Pistons were special. Three oh nine,
like four four time consecutive All Defensive Team selections. You know,
Compton kid bro Like, I've been watching Tate Shawn since
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ninety six.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He actually played with Tayshawn for like a month when
my rookie year and I got signed out the G
League to Memphis.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Okay, so I was training for a little bit. The
silent assassin man. They don't say nothing, he don't talk nothing.
But it was a mean floating around. You know, they'll
just say yo, if you you die. And you met
at the Gates of Heaven and it's Tayshaun Prince. So
I sent it to him and he was just laughing,
(13:14):
like and I was like, yeah, like you know, like
that's so funny. But like Tay is known for his
chase down block with Reggie, but like also just like
just being an ultimate guy and in high school he
just was not there you shoot the three, he would defend.
He was you know. The only thing they like tease
him was his frame, you know what I mean, Like
he's deceptively strong. He's a finesse player, you know what
(13:37):
I mean, And they tried to flip on it, you know, like,
oh he's soft. But he won a champion national championship
in Kentucky with you know Tubby, you know Olympian two,
you know, one of my favorite Dominicus Dons, one of
my favorite pros. Just a legitimate respect guy. Like let
everybody love Tay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And he was so good.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But my only thing with Tay is out he had
borderline of the glue out of me. Like he he
he had a game.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah, game he just he did of him. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Because but sometimes like he would be the best guy
on them, on them Pistons teams, like you know what
I'm saying. He sometimes he would go to the ran
offer his throwing. I think maybe he's in his catches
because he's defense or whatever, and there are other teams
he was.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I think it's debatable because of if he didn't play
for the Pistons, you know what I mean, Like he
was surrounded by so many guys that did you know
that got so much love, Like Tayshawn never got the
signature sneaker like she and Chauncey Bell Ups and Richard Hamilton,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Like I just can't consider him a glue because sometimes
like that team was so you don't know the best player.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Who's the best player on that team?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Richard, Yeah, with some some I think that year they
wanted a lot of a lot of people will say Tayshaw,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Know man for I don't know. I think he I
think he contributed a lot, but it was definitely led
by Chauncey Rip and She and he's known for more
so because he sacrificed a lot. And I think that's
the thing. You got a chance to see him and
(15:20):
flashes of what he can do, and if he was
a number one option or number two option, he would
be up there seventeen eighteen a game and really getting
a flex his game. I think he just accepted the
role that was. You know, he enjoyed winning a lot.
And I think that you're right on that on some stuff,
like he accepted it. You know, same thing about Manu.
(15:40):
How we mentioned minew like they definitely could have had
bigger roles. He just accepted being a guy that would
technically just take the back seat to defend instead of
trying to, you know, get his points. But he could
score when you asked him to.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I got you, Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Another guy. My guys are Tyson Chandlers, t y Man,
another one of those players who's uh you know, got
the Defensive Player of the Year on twenty eleven. Some
may say that was bronze you know, Defensive Player of
the Year award, but it's kind of crazy because Tyson
was second second team All Defense that year and still won.
(16:19):
Deep boy, which is very strange. But I had a
conversation with him, like a couple of weeks ago, and
he talked about how when he got drafted Chicago, he
almost felt felt like he was going to be out
the league because they drafted him in the wrong spot.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
The drafted two centers.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
He was a small they used him as small forward
and he was like yo, And I was I was
joking when I said, you took one three in high school,
so like what was going on through your mind? He
was just like yo, I'm you know. At the at
the time it was Tim Floyd coaching. He told Tim
Floyd like yo, They're like, yo, we ran sets for
you everything, and he's just like like what what, like
(17:01):
play me at my natural position at the four or
the five, you know what I mean. And he just
said it just was not good because, you know, he
got a chance to play with Pip that year, he
played with Ron Mercer, he played with Oak you know
what I mean. That team was just so mixed up
and they were just you know, they brought all these
vets in to kind of help him and Eddie out
and it just wasn't great. And then when he got
the chance to play with you know, Chris Paul, he
(17:23):
got a chance to rechannel his high school energy because
he became a lob threat again. The things that he
was actually successful. And it's interesting to think that when
you go number two pick and a team drafts you
to become something that you're not. Like, think about Russell
Westbrook being a defensive player at U C. L A
and a two guard and then being handed the keys
to play the one. He gladly accepted that. So it was,
(17:44):
you know, two different stories for him and Tyson, you
know what I mean. But Tyson's definitely an interesting case
because he is a blue guy. And he you know,
he was he was well traveled in his career, you know,
playing with Phoenix and the Lakers, some Rockets.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And yeah, you know the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
His ultimate ultimate like glue guy season to me is
that Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That's why he's still on the coaching staff now.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, when I'm when I was around Dirt early in
my career, he's still Dirk still upset that they didn't
resign him after after they won that ship. Like he
made Dirt life so even so much easier just being
that physical presence guarding up the rim, still being that
live threat even though he was a little older.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
He's also the what if guy. You know, the Thunder
was supposed to get him.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's just crazy, no before okay.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So when they when they when they were going to
then the NBA Finals year, they we supposed to get.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Him, yeah okay, yeah yeah, and you know, like yeah
he was one of those yeah yeah, he was one
of those like yeah, big free agents who he was
like one of the missing pieces to several several teams
for like they got Tice and they could be getting contenders.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, he has he established himself really well man, And yeah, dude,
he was able to play nineteen seasons. He's telling me
about how he got his He wore number nineteen because
of his year. He said, if he would have continued
to play, he would have kept adding the number every year.
So that's why he talked to Russ, and that's why
Russ ended up wearing the jersey of his his years played.
(19:17):
And I was like, that was interesting, you know what
I mean, But you know, we gotta get Tyson on
the show.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Man Tyson had he had some of that kg and
defensively as far as like just.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
So that was his favorite player until he actually played.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah the wait, oh yeah, I've heard that, but yeah,
commanding the defense like his You can hear his voice
through the whole arena on defense, the way he was
pointing around and just like he held the defense.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He was the goog guy on defense.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He held everybody together, told him where to go, and
he was covering up the rim in the paint. So
one of my really one of my favorite players to
watch during that era, just even though he was high scoring.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Has one of the greatest high school mixtapes of all
time too.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Tony Allen Allen Allen Allen definitely a blue guy.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Another speak. That's another guy who I was with on
that Memphis team for a good month.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Dan you was great and grind. Okay, one of the
best perimeters, uh, perimeter defenders of this era. Six time
All Defensive election. Uh you know one of the guys
that uh you know, late great Kobe Bryant mentioned is
one of the toughest matchups he's ever faced at one
point and just you know, to to to be known
for the dirty work, you know what I mean, and
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smart and intentional and you know, a huge, huge, huge,
huge glue guy for that old A Celtics team, you
know what I mean, coming in being effective. I still
remember Boston or Chicago. I'm a Bulls fend at the time,
and I'm rooting for the Bulls. Tony Allen's from Chicago,
but he's getting death threats. That series is super intense,
and you know, he's super effective on both ends, man,
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and it was. It's kind of crazy when you think
about how talented these guys on this list are because
they have to sacrifice so much. They don't have to score.
They don't have to score because they're actually do something.
If you want to play, you're gonna do whatever it
takes to stay on the floor.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yes, miss missed the first team himself, first team.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Defense, that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
But yeah, just a monster on the defensive end. But
he always I mean, he was a blue guy. He
was unselfish, willing to do whatever took the team win.
But you could tell he always felt like he could
do more offensively. Oh he wanted to. He wanted to
get more shots, wanted to handle the ball a little
bit more. At all, he was always like he had
to pull himself back to do with the team and
(21:31):
the coaches asked of him. So but I mean, it
would have been fun to see him in that, maybe
in a different system where he could have scaled up
his offense and did a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But oh yeah, because it was it was. It was
a hooper okay, uh yeah in college, yeah, for sure,
you know. And I think that was the thing he
mentioned that as well about his coach at the time.
I want to say it was Eddie Sutton telling him,
if you want to make it to the NBA, you
become a defender mm hm. And he bought all the
way and he did it so that sometimes coaches don't lie, man,
(22:02):
may they be seeing it. Another guy that we mentioned
on several episodes, Shane Badier Dookie, you know, two time
All Defensive Player, eighth nine AH top five defensive player
to year finishes during the era, you know what I mean,
one of the considerably he could have definitely done more,
just came in and just made him living off defense.
(22:23):
He made defense cool, you know what I mean, especially perimeter,
like you really think about to this day, like, oh,
you can actually make it to the NBA being a defender. Him,
an Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince are three guys that
I mentioned for young guys to pay attention to that
just made a career off of being a legitimate stopper.
(22:43):
And it's not technically like a shutdown revers island situation.
You know in basketball, you're not going to technically get
it to that way. But to contain, no basketball is
won in the last two minutes of the game, you
know what I mean. If you can really prevent.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Key stops, key stop, you want to I mean, you
want to wear on the guy and just know he
know you're there all all game and maybe getting to
his legs a little bit in the but you gotta
get the stops at the right time.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He averaging twenty seven. Get him at twenty five, you
know what I mean, get him around twenty three. You
know what I mean, the game right there. If he
got the ball and it's just y'all in the island
and it's ten seconds ago, and you get him to miss,
you did your job. He's gonna make it look like
you actually stopped him. But you know, the rules ain't
in your favor anyway. You can't keep you can't put
your hand in the cookie yard. You're gonna get caught.
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And you know, these guys are some of the specialists
that are very effective. Like you mentioned, Shane Battier has
a literal signature move with hands in the face.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Hey, what I love about Shane. What I love about
Shane is he is he was never afraid to get
embarrassed by a Kobe at the team, whoever at He
would go on another end. If they dropped forty on him,
or they crossed him or done whatever it was, he
was gonna come back the next play with the same mentality,
the same effort whatever. He wasn't afraid to get embarrassed.
He was out there to do his job. So I
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always had a lot of respect for the way he
went about his business on the defensive end. And then,
like you said, offensively, he was he was.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He was good.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He just like I said, he took the role that
he was in on the team. I always feel like
he could have been a little bit more offensively, like
you said, but just from team to team, he played
his role to a.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
T and he wouldn't change a thing. I think that's
the funny thing about it. Like he accepted everything. He
could have came in with an ego, you know what
I mean. He had plays ran for him in college.
But when you're playing with some of the greatest scorers
and you enjoy winning more than losing, and you know
that you can also live handsomely off of the sacrifice
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that you're giving to no brainer.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
This brings up a point that I want to bring
up is I think he benefited from playing with great
players in college, so he kind of knew what it
was about.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, so he didn't. His ego never took a hit.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah exactly. He knew how to fit in with good players,
let them do their thing. And a lot of guys
coming into the league when they in high school, when
in college, they would have by far the best player
on the team, never had to sacrifice, never had to
mold the game or other people. It's harder when you
get to the league and you have no choice but
to do that. Yeah, when you're around better players, everybody's
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that guy. So when to see when when you get
to the league and so I'm not the guy who
who can do whatever you want out here, it's hard
to fit that mold.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's hard to change your game. And that's a reason
why a lot of guys pades out in the league
because they can't adapt.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, no, that's that's exactly what it is, you know
what I mean. Like, guys really be struggling to a
point where you're looking and you're like, what happened? You
know what I mean? And they're trying to make a lead,
especially that year one, And for a case, I won't
mention this player's name, but I had a conversation with
him his second year. Right, everybody's praising him about his
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defense on Lebron on his rookie year, and they're like, Yo,
you're doing so well, blah blah blah, Like if you
stick like that, you're gonna make a lot of money
in this league. Well he was offensive focused, yet you
know what I mean, he switched, He switched from what
was going to be his bread and butter for the
rest of his career, and he ended up getting a
second shot and it was a defense again. And it
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was interesting because I was just like, Yo, if you
would have stuck with this instead of like, nah, I
want to be like Kobe and make a second jump
and I want to take my scoring. Look, every team
don't need that, like they're they're drafting for particular reasons,
and you just got to kind of kind of just
take it, take it, take a take a chill pill,
and just look at it and say, all right, you
know what, he definitely is a better scorer than me.
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He's definitely a better rebounder. Just you know, like, how
do I find my way on that way.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
To my self awareness in this league? If I've seen
it so many times, just guys come into the league
with a certain idea of who they think they're going
to be in the league, and then you get in
here and the organization or your skill set says you're
gonna be something different, and just that you're not willing
to change, Like it's an ego hit to you, Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm not gonna be that twenty point score. I might
make it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
They even sacrifice the money because like, if you average
twelve and ten and play defense, you might make more
money than they be average average eighteen on a bad team.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, it's interest.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I want to be that guy. Yeah, I want to
be that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So as a guy playing in the NBA and everybody knowing,
especially your family, knowing your capability, of your skill and
what you can contribute. But you played with great players
and having an entourage, your friends text you and saying, hey, man,
go get twenty right, Obviously that gets zipped out after
(27:49):
your one. But the idea, how does how does how
does the NBA player deal with that? You know what
I mean? Like, because they're not watching it realistic their
own seeing what they know that you're you know, they
watched you in college doing it, so they don't think
that it's transferable in the NBA, you know what I mean,
Like they think it's just supposed to happen.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
How do you how do maturity as a professional? You said,
what's maturity?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And listening to the right voices like yeah, that guy,
your roommate or whoever, you, you got out there with
you or your cousin or your mom or whoever it is.
They want the best for you, but they don't know.
They're not in that locker room with you every day,
not the game either day. They're not in the flow.
They don't know how good your other teammates are. They
don't know what you're being asked. So if you go
in there and score twenty doing it your way or
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their way, and y'all lose, oh, they think you had
a good game. But coaches who watch the film and
know what they want from their team, they might not
be happy. So it's about coming into the lee, listening
to the right people, and knowing you gotta play the
long game. Man, You gotta play a long games as
the NBA guy.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think you find example is preseason, right guys, get
your look that you know you're like, I'm about to
play seven minutes today. You know, I'm like, my treatment,
I gotta do my thing. Young fella, Now, mind you.
Young fella goes off twenty four points. You know, but
(29:16):
he looking, he going into this confidence of like I
knew this was sweet. You know what I mean? League? Sweet?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Preseason Summer league is fake basketball. The scoutl points are
out there. The Vets ain't playing as hard or definitely
not playing not even available. And always you always see
the confidence and the young guys, and like I said
in preseason training camp, oh, I've been working on my
game all summer.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm playing well.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And when that game won, come and they see the
intensity rise up and you see the sharpness and how
good the Vets are in the league. You can see
it all over the face, the realization of what the
NBA is really about. Yeah, how much better they need
to get to last?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah? No, absolutely, man, that's great examples. Thank you for
sharing that. The next player, Stephen Jackson, my guy, Captain
jack no denying the impact Captain jack had on many
of his team's his fourteen year career. He's able to
play two to four strong, you know, had a little
sweet jump shot. We mentioned his contribution to the two
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thousand and three championship title, but also his He's very instrumental.
And we believe Dubbs upset against the MAVs, you know
what I mean, him bed Chase and richardson kalin Azabuki.
You know, the list goes on with those guys. But
Stephen Jackson, blue guy. You know, Bearon's the guy in
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Golden State and jack gets there seventeen to nineteen points
a game, able to shoot the three, able to you know,
shoot a fade away, get to the basket. You know
your brother played with him a little.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Bit, right, Yeah, Yeah, step loved him his rookie year. Yeah,
they played at well he a month in the preseason,
Stack asked out. He forced the trade out because they
weren't giving him extension. But during the preseason Steph loved
being around him, love just his energy in the locker
room and helped him adapt to the league.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Absolutely one of the best guys though. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Stack is a great example of doing what it takes
to get in and then slowly evolving your game and
eventually becoming the leading guy on teams.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So he, like I said, early in his career he
was I think just him having to do that from
being I think undrafted or whatever, not necessarily making in
the league right away, and then came in. It's like, oh,
I gotta I got a guard and knockdown shots. I'm
gonna do that. But when I get the opportunity to
show I can do more and be a go to
score on, like I said, some of those Warriors teams,
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and then going to Charlotte for a little bit and
being the main.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Guy he was. He was a bucket. He was an
absolutely bucket.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But his IQ and his I think his adaptability of
these different situations is highly underrated.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean he's a good passer. I
mean he's a complete basketball player, and especially he's super passionate,
but he's also has a he's gonna do a stack sway,
and sometimes doing a stack sway has kind of gotten away,
but still one of the greatest Bobcats to lace him up, man,
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you know, and he'll tell you. You know, I think
it was averaging the dub that year, you know, and
I remember it. He was really getting after it, man,
So shout us to you know, Captain jack uh. Doug
Christie is head coach of the Sacramento Kings. Seattle legend.
We always talk about him, you know, his time with
Pepper nine. I remember Doug Christie were number eight before
Kobe with the Lakers. He was able to turn himself into,
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you know, a defensive player as well. Great for those
Sacramento teams because he did not play like that before.
It's another adjustment, you know, just trying to stick with
your you know, your team, you know what I mean.
I remember him having the silky hair like Matt Barnes
and then he gets the sack team and his ball
headed you know what I mean, and just but he
was but you know, he was the epitome. Him and
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Matt Barnes are like the epitome of like you know,
you think light skin dudes is soft, like they not
back and down like you know. Doug was really about that.
And you know, he had some infamous battles with Rick Fox,
you know what I mean, in those playoff series with
the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Edge a big edge about him and he actually my
dad backed him up in Toronto, I think ninety nine
two thousand season, Doug was starting shooting out out there
and I saw our first hand as a kid, just
his intensity. Defensively, he was guard and playing with vins
and he was that guy who had to guard to
the other team's best player and then he could shoot
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the ball because he can put on the day. He
was like the just the all around two guard who
really had no weaknesses in his game, but really wasn't
great in anything like he wasn't He could shoot the ball,
but he wasn't great shooter. He could put on the
floor a couple of times, get to the rink, but
wasn't like a slack you know what I'm saying. He
just he was just good at everything. Nothing nothing great,
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but it's a great teammate, like I said, just willing
to go toe to toe with anybody in the league.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, I mean and that, and that's awarded him the
situation to become the head coach of a franchise. He
put into work and.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
He earned it.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Man, even you know, after even being a broadcaster like
I've seen him, but in the time where every hat
he possibly could in Sacramento. So salute to Doug Christie
G Walla, I loved you.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Wallas.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Wall is another one like stack Jack bro Like he's
one of those combo fords that you know, you kind
of question. He had underrated wingspan and and an instinct
of playing past the lanes.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
He's not a blue out of me, He's not a
glue out of me. He's a He's a number two.
He was a number one option in Charlotte, which I
mean him as the number one option. Him the number
one option, you're not gonna be a great team to
a number in somewhere. He could have been number two
or three guy on a playoff team. Like he was
a bucket guarded at a high level. And I mean
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just that one of the most athletic athletic guy who
hit it. He was in a couple of dunk contests,
wasn't he?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah? Yeah, early on, early on.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And he also could play small ball five in this
era if he he wanted to, you know what I mean,
because you can shoot a three. He had so much
like if he's the type of person that you will
just wave off and turn your back and he's hit
four threes, you know what I mean, or you could
shoot it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, he was one of those guys like he got
to the rim so well. You couldn't stand in front him,
so like you're gonna let him shoot, gotta respect it.
But he could get it going. Yeah, Yeah, was crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
You can have one of those nights where it's a shrug,
like how many threes? Jerll Waller's got five?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You know, he had to have a he had to
have a season or two in Charlotte. He was averaging
mid twenties, like he was getting Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I mean, like when you think about Bobcat history, him
and Steven Jackson and Kimba Walker in that like, it
ain't too many players that laced up and really got
busy like that in that uniform, but they did. They
made being a Bobcat fan fun, you know, like they
was really hooping for real. So much respect to g Wallace,
you know what I mean, He's one of the ones.
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And lastly, Man, my guy ol you know, I was
another one from that we believe, you know, uh Warriors,
but he also put in his work with the Pacers
and the Knicks and you know, fresh out of high
school out in second round man, but was able to
play three to five sweet jumper dunk on you you
know what I mean, physical and play way bigger than six',
(36:36):
nine you know WHAT i. MEAN i think that's the
one thing that most, PEOPLE i used to Think Al
hearing's was like six or. Eleven but he's super effective
man and one of those. Dudes, man one of my,
favorite one of my Favorite warriors to watch man because
he can just really get it going and he's talking,
trash like if you don't want to run out, There
i'm gonna shoot the three are you on bang with?
Me i'm gona dunk on. You i'm gonna shoot the
fake so and one of THE o simate teammates EVERYBODY
(37:00):
i love playing with.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
ALS i just love bigs who guard and then can
step out and stress the floor and shoot, threes just
mainly BECAUSE i love playing with them to make the
game easier for everybody on the, floor because they give
you space and they can guard fours and fives in
another end and protect the rim and just.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Tough so like that's the rest of rare breed of
a guy.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Who can play a lot of positions and shoot kind
of before it's, time if we think about.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
It, yeah, no that's.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Facts all.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Right we're gonna take a quick, break and when we come,
back we're gonna share our top five blue guys to
the two. Thousands all, right, guy radist blue guards in two,
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thousands let me hear, it all, right just get.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It number, FIVE i Got Tony, allen number, Five number,
FOUR i Got. Tyson number, THREE i Got Shane, battier
and then number two is De. Fishing one Is Bruce.
Bown like when you when you're in the to finals
and winning, championships you go to the top of the
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list And De fish And Bruce bowne and two guys
that are just you look. Up then they compete for
a championship every.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
YEAR i like that.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
LIST i like that. List it's it's mine is not super,
similar but it's up. There So i'm gonna go at
five with. Uh i'm gonna go With Tony allen at,
Four i'm going to go With Shane. Battier at, Three
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i'm going to go With Tyson. Chandler at, Two i'm
going to go With Bruce boyne and my number one blue,
guy big winner, Man Derek. Fisher five, titles you, know
eighteen year career to two time stant with The, lakers you,
know and probably outside Of, magic the most winning is
(39:09):
point guard In lakers. History so gotta respect. It.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Man, yeah you could.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Flipped you can flip Flop De fish And Bruce boone in,
mind absolutely on my.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
List that's. One that's, ONE, a ONE b right.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
There, yeah you know that that THAT i definitely had
to go the opposite.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Way, yeah they. Don't they don't pay for a mill
in L a Or San. Antonio that's a.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Fact that's a fact for. Real All, Right we're gonna
take another quick, break and when we come, back we're
gonna do our favorite segment born in The roman. Era all, right,
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DOTT i really liked your you, know greatest fove do
guys in two. Thousands i'm gonna kick things off with,
uh you, know in the wrong, era AND i gotta,
say my, Guy, ah who would cook in this?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Era Al?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
HARRINGTON i Think al would really. Cook he spread the.
Floor he'll do his thing in and, out be, physical you.
KNOW i think he'll get away with a little bit.
More but he gonna spread the. Floor he's gonna shoot
that three at a high. Clip ain't gonna be hard to.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Guard he saw it on Those warriors, teams like that
was the kind of the start of just small. Ball
spread it. Out everybody can, shoot everybody can, drive and
he helped that those lineups. Work SO i kind of
alluded to it With. Al but that's a good. Pick
my boy in the wrong era got. Stacked Stephen jackson
man just like just. Versatile he could play two through,
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four sometimes small ball five because he's like so big and.
Strong his body, type uh, physical and then obviously he
could shoot at all three, levels shoot the THREE midi
he could post up just That stack would do some
things in today's.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Game, yeah, NO i totally, agree, man to two guys
that were on a great team that can rightfully hold
their Own they got their own. Stories they played together
In indiana as, Well so you, KNOW i like. THAT
i like That corps a group of players that we, selected.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
And those two guys in the social media, era they
be going vour every night on the on the.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Floor oh absolutely. Something, yeah, yeah it would be bleeped.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Up, yeah that's some good.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Content, YEAH i would definitely pay to see. That all,
Right dot, man this has been a great. Episode or
The blue GUYS i think we touched, on you, know
some great players of this. Era can't wait to hear
what the comments have to. Say who we left? Out you,
KNOW i would love to Hear manu And Tayshaun prince
and who else that we, Mentioned Gerald, wallace Our blue.
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Guys you, KNOW i think it's a little questionable that you.
Felt but definitely make sure you hit us up at
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Speaker 2 (42:05):
You that's Dot curry?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Everywhere how let me let ME i know we forgot
some guys on This this glue guy list of the
two thousands like.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
This it's a ton of them in this. Era.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah. Absolutely you can find me At trey On. Threads,
yeah we've been going crazy on thread so be sure
to hit us up.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
There.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, man and we'll be back with another. Episode so go.
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Speaker 2 (43:13):
Podcasts
When Steve Kirk came to the Warriors and he was
the first thing he's saying, I'm gonna put in some
because he was around Phil Jackson and he was like,
I'm gonna put in some triangle offense type stuff and
in the way we play, we're going crew. We were
a little nervous for stuff. Were like, you you don't
want to play like the fish.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That ain't it right there? You need to run out
of pot pick and roll this, that and the other.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So we were thinking Steve was gonna try to turn
stuff into Derek Fisher.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome back to another episode of Greatest of Their Era?
What up? Dot? What up?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Trey? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man? You know? Another episode another day? Man, We got
a good one today. Man. The Greatest Blue Guys with
two thousands. You know, some of these guys you I
think some of them are retired and some of you
played against. But they were willing to do the dirty
work and some of the stuff that they are known
for are not on the stat sheet. Very loved by
(00:58):
their fan base and just really just super effective man
and beloved. Their jersey might not go into raptors or
anything like that, but they're they're able to do their things.
So you know, just for an example, uh is Mini
Genobli a glue guy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I think he just out the side of the threshold
of a glue guy. He went on those main he
I don't want to say too talented, but he's one
of those main guys on the team. Even though he
took the role to coming off the bench, took that
six man row for a lot of years in his career.
I think he's a guy who when he's on the
Florida offense was run through him like he was gonna
get his opportunities. He got a lot of players called
(01:38):
for him, and I think when we're talking glue guys,
these are the guys that kind of more behind the scenes,
do the dirty work for the team, guard the best
player scored without plays being called for him. Just just
it's kind of a coach's favorite player. But I think
around the league might be a little undervalue. But if
you I feel like you said, if you're a local
(01:59):
fan or a fan of this team and you watch
them every night, you realize how productive they are, how
important they are to the team winning.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree. I think it's I think it's
kind of difficult to call Manu a glue guy. I
think he's an ultimate team guy to be able to
come off the bench, but he's just all star as winner.
He contributed a lot of baskets, you know what I mean,
Like a glue guy might get a tippy and a
glue guy might You know, we had Drey on where
you know, Doc gave him the call and said, hey,
(02:26):
go ahead and you know, win this ball game for us.
Like those, I think those are glue guy plays, you
know what I mean specifically, and say hard and soul.
Sometimes they're hard and so of the team too, you
know what I mean, Like they might be banged up,
but they're willing to do whatever for the team, you
know what I'm saying, even if it's getting traded, you
know what I mean. Like I've seen guys get traded
(02:47):
and then you know, find their way back, you know,
like Mike Conley this year and Jered Stackhouse in the
past with Dallas.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And you know that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, Like you you don't realize sometimes even the team
that has them or the office doesn't realize how important
they are to the team until they leave, and you
really they go somewhere else here that they don't that
that team doesn't feel what they they don't do what
that team needs, or like their their skill settings and
its value on a different team, or they're like, oh
we got to we.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Need him back. We're not. Yeah, we that we can't.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We can't all right what we do and our stars
don't play as well without this guy on the team. So,
like I said, sometimes they find a way back to
that organization. And some of these players, like they have
multiple runs with one one franchise.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Now you're really familiar with this topic, I mean, just
just what we're talking about right now, because you've had
multiple stints in Dallas, Like what is that like? Like
how do you feel leaving a franchise and then returning.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I mean, for me, I was comfortable going back to
Dallas the first time, man, really just because I knew
the system, like same coach, same.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Kind of just.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I don't say, like just the fundamentals of the team
or the same like the same system. I think the
first time I was there, Luca wasn't there. When I
came back, Luca was there, And the second time, the
third time I came back, Luca was.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
It was a key piece and.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Bringing me back like he wanted me, like I need
a guy like stuffing my team. So he was, like
I said, he went to the front office and basically said,
bring him back if you get opportunity. So yeah, I
mean you're comfortable, you can you can fit right in.
It's like you come back and like the fan, but
you know the city first and foremost. You know the
organization and that that transition period is a lot easier
(04:32):
than say a guy who's traded somewhere for the first
time or signed somewhere for the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You don't you don't have that learning curve that most
guys have.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, and you also just understanding some business. At the
end of the day, it's all love, no hard feeling.
So I mean I didn't even know you played with
them a third term. So you know that sounded like
front office. That sounds like some front office future, you
know what I mean. They like you that much, they
have brought you back that many times.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So yeah, yeah, like I'm glad you brought the person,
like the mental part of it, because sometimes, yeah, some
guys do take it personally if you're especially if you're
traded away, like the first time I signed up to
I signed away in free agency the first time, and
then they brought me back. So it wasn't no hard feelings,
like I just went somewhere because I feel like it
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was a better opportunity. But some guys can't go back
to the organization because they feel like it's personal.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's rarely personal sometimes it most of times it's just business.
And if if you come back and put that stuff
behind you, be a professional, you'll have a better opportunity
and you'll probably play better.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah. Absolutely, All right, let's just jump into this list
of players. We got Bruce Boyne maybe the epitome of
what it meant to be a San Antonio Spur in
two thousands, no frills, nothing fancy, defensive role player, you
know what I mean, in the system, all business down
the guard, whoever, you know what I mean. Five straight
top four finishes for Defensive Player of the Year award
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from four to eight. It's an eight time All Defensive selection.
He won three titles as a member of the Spurs Fresno, California.
Talk about Bruce bown Man.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah him, Bruce Bowen and this like I only remember
him as a Spur, Like I don't even know where
he played before or after.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Like he was there he ended up getting away, but
I mean I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Like I said, I don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Like he was so pivotal to that Spurs franchise and
then winning championships that even after he was done, they
kept trying to mold guys into who he was. Like
I think Richard Jefferson came in after. They were like,
just post yourself up in that corner.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, even though these guys were more athletic, maybe more talent,
they like, we need a guy who's who does the
stuff that Bruce Bowen does. And he had it down
to a t, like he just knew. First of all,
defensively he was a monster. He wasn't afraid to take
on the Kobe or whoever it was on the other
team and just try to hawk them around the floor.
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But then defense offensively, he just you knew where he was,
you knew he was gonna He had that one just
like that, that specialist mentality. If I'm gonna if I
get a quarter three, I'm gona knock it down and
I'm not gonna try to do too much offensively outside
of what I do.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's interesting you brought up the point of Richard Jefferson.
From their pedigree and the makings of the Spurs team.
In a starting five, it seems like they had to
have a three that guard.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, you know what I mean, needed three that guarded
who could who could scale down in guard too, like
he was a three, but he needed sometimes he needed
to go down and guard too, or even sometimes point guards.
Because they didn't want to Tony Parker taking that challenge
every night. They didn't want Manu to have to when
he came in after guards.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He's best player for forty eight minutes. So Bruce was
that guy.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And same thing with Steven Jackson. Stephen Jackson was not
a scorer on that team. He had to.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Defend, yep, defending then you can't be a liability on
ot the end. Obviously, Bruce Bond wasn't I mean highly
skilled on the office event.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
He was corner three guys and he had a simple game.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You knew he was gonna knock it down and he
was open in the corners. I don't even think he
wouldn't even take a lot of shots from above the break.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
No, he wasn't. He let them drive, He let them
you know, set up their thing, Avery and Tony, but
when he got the ball, he was knocking that thing down,
and I think that was a mutual respect in it all.
You couldn't leave him. I mean he obviously wasn't a
three point threat like you guys, but enough to respect enough,
you know what I mean in the thirties, you know
what I mean, to consistently knock it down and put
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his team in a position to win. All right, we
talked about leaving a team and coming back. Derek Fisher
de Fishes. You know, he was never the main attraction,
never top option within the offense, but ran the offense,
coach on the floor, hard and soul of the team,
you know. Never you know, wasn't in the running for
a single award, just championship, five time champion. When I
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think about the Lakers, you know, in his eighteen year career,
obviously he went to the Thunder, he went to Golden State,
he went to Utah and back to the Lakers. You know,
I only consider Fish for a Laker, you know what
I mean, like and always right by Kobe Sides. So
I mean, it was very interesting in our neighborhood growing up.
(09:11):
Zero point four is d Fish, you know, magical number,
you know what I mean. But also he had some
crazy players he dunk through iverson and then some that
that left the high arc three was something to respect,
you know what I mean. So still seeing d Fish,
you know, around to this day coaching high school basketball,
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people stop and thank him for you know, his contributions
to you know, the Lakers organization. And I always I
never really fooled with De Fish like that because I
always need I wanted the Lakers to have like a
fly point guard. And once they traded off Nick Mannax,
I was mad. I was mad because like everybody else
just ran the oh you know what I'm saying, but
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they didn't need a point guard to do all the
other stuff anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, you know, it's funny because like he was,
he was a triangle office type point guard, like bringing
up the floor, get rid of it, cut to the
corner space, whatever. So when when Kirk, Steve Kirk came
to the Warriors and he was the first thing He's saying,
I'm gonna put in some because he was around Phil
Jackson and he was like, I'm gonna put in some
triangle offense type stuff. And in the way we play,
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We're going and we were a little nervous for Steph,
like you get to play like the Fish, that ain't
it right there? You need to run a pie pick
and roll this, that and the other. So we were
thinking Steve was gonna try to turn stuff into Derek Fisher.
Obviously that's not what happened, but that good de Fish
was he knew the triangle offense like the back of
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his hand.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I think that's key too, you know how we had
Craig just on and how important it is for guys
that are super instrumental to an offense, right, Like you
can't get that job to nobody else. Like they're gonna
run into a t how you want it, ran, They're
not going to break character. And I was I was
going to mention that as much as I dislike Derek
Fisher game, I play so much like you, I don't.
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I don't. I don't break the rule, you know what
I mean, Like I run the offense. I'm I'm so fundamental,
like I don't get too crafty. And that kept me
on the floor. I originally started off as a like
trying to play street and have a crossover in my game.
My crossover was too wise, So it was getting picked
a lot, and I just you know, coach was on me, like, yo,
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if you don't take care of the ball, you're not
going to be able to play. So for me to
get the most minutes, you know, started and I had
to be a second coach on the floor. It increased
my i Q. But it was a boring style of basketball.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But that simplicity was what made him so good.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like I wish I played with better. One thing is.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The highest stars around you to make it work. Defied
the simplicity, Like I said, that's when made Kobe and
Shaq love him too. He knew they going to get
him the ball on the right spots and then if
they got double and you kicked it to him, he
was gonna knock it down.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And he's also not crying about his shot. If he
gets four, he gets six. You know, it is what
it is, a shot, get double, be ready to shoot
tonight tonight, you know what I mean. And I think
that's that's super that's super interesting, especially an eighteen year career.
That's success for me. Man, I just played that long years,
eighteen of them, eighteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's suppressive.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah, uh, I literally just text this guy. Shan.
Prince is a big time contributor throughout a majority of
his career, but those years from the mid to late
two thousands with the Pistons were special. Three oh nine,
like four four time consecutive All Defensive Team selections. You know,
Compton kid bro Like, I've been watching Tate Shawn since
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ninety six.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He actually played with Tayshawn for like a month when
my rookie year and I got signed out the G
League to Memphis.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Okay, so I was training for a little bit. The
silent assassin man. They don't say nothing, he don't talk nothing.
But it was a mean floating around. You know, they'll
just say yo, if you you die. And you met
at the Gates of Heaven and it's Tayshaun Prince. So
I sent it to him and he was just laughing,
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like and I was like, yeah, like you know, like
that's so funny. But like Tay is known for his
chase down block with Reggie, but like also just like
just being an ultimate guy and in high school he
just was not there you shoot the three, he would defend.
He was you know. The only thing they like tease
him was his frame, you know what I mean, Like
he's deceptively strong. He's a finesse player, you know what
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I mean, And they tried to flip on it, you know, like,
oh he's soft. But he won a champion national championship
in Kentucky with you know Tubby, you know Olympian two,
you know, one of my favorite Dominicus Dons, one of
my favorite pros. Just a legitimate respect guy. Like let
everybody love Tay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And he was so good.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But my only thing with Tay is out he had
borderline of the glue out of me. Like he he
he had a game.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah, game he just he did of him. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Because but sometimes like he would be the best guy
on them, on them Pistons teams, like you know what
I'm saying. He sometimes he would go to the ran
offer his throwing. I think maybe he's in his catches
because he's defense or whatever, and there are other teams
he was.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I think it's debatable because of if he didn't play
for the Pistons, you know what I mean, Like he
was surrounded by so many guys that did you know
that got so much love, Like Tayshawn never got the
signature sneaker like she and Chauncey Bell Ups and Richard Hamilton,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Like I just can't consider him a glue because sometimes
like that team was so you don't know the best player.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Who's the best player on that team?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Richard, Yeah, with some some I think that year they
wanted a lot of a lot of people will say Tayshaw,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Know man for I don't know. I think he I
think he contributed a lot, but it was definitely led
by Chauncey Rip and She and he's known for more
so because he sacrificed a lot. And I think that's
the thing. You got a chance to see him and
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flashes of what he can do, and if he was
a number one option or number two option, he would
be up there seventeen eighteen a game and really getting
a flex his game. I think he just accepted the
role that was. You know, he enjoyed winning a lot.
And I think that you're right on that on some stuff,
like he accepted it. You know, same thing about Manu.
(15:40):
How we mentioned minew like they definitely could have had
bigger roles. He just accepted being a guy that would
technically just take the back seat to defend instead of
trying to, you know, get his points. But he could
score when you asked him to.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I got you, Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Another guy. My guys are Tyson Chandlers, t y Man,
another one of those players who's uh you know, got
the Defensive Player of the Year on twenty eleven. Some
may say that was bronze you know, Defensive Player of
the Year award, but it's kind of crazy because Tyson
was second second team All Defense that year and still won.
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Deep boy, which is very strange. But I had a
conversation with him, like a couple of weeks ago, and
he talked about how when he got drafted Chicago, he
almost felt felt like he was going to be out
the league because they drafted him in the wrong spot.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
The drafted two centers.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
He was a small they used him as small forward
and he was like yo, And I was I was
joking when I said, you took one three in high school,
so like what was going on through your mind? He
was just like yo, I'm you know. At the at
the time it was Tim Floyd coaching. He told Tim
Floyd like yo, They're like, yo, we ran sets for
you everything, and he's just like like what what, like
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play me at my natural position at the four or
the five, you know what I mean. And he just
said it just was not good because, you know, he
got a chance to play with Pip that year, he
played with Ron Mercer, he played with Oak you know
what I mean. That team was just so mixed up
and they were just you know, they brought all these
vets in to kind of help him and Eddie out
and it just wasn't great. And then when he got
the chance to play with you know, Chris Paul, he
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got a chance to rechannel his high school energy because
he became a lob threat again. The things that he
was actually successful. And it's interesting to think that when
you go number two pick and a team drafts you
to become something that you're not. Like, think about Russell
Westbrook being a defensive player at U C. L A
and a two guard and then being handed the keys
to play the one. He gladly accepted that. So it was,
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you know, two different stories for him and Tyson, you
know what I mean. But Tyson's definitely an interesting case
because he is a blue guy. And he you know,
he was he was well traveled in his career, you know,
playing with Phoenix and the Lakers, some Rockets.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And yeah, you know the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
His ultimate ultimate like glue guy season to me is
that Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That's why he's still on the coaching staff now.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, when I'm when I was around Dirt early in
my career, he's still Dirk still upset that they didn't
resign him after after they won that ship. Like he
made Dirt life so even so much easier just being
that physical presence guarding up the rim, still being that
live threat even though he was a little older.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
He's also the what if guy. You know, the Thunder
was supposed to get him.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's just crazy, no before okay.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So when they when they when they were going to
then the NBA Finals year, they we supposed to get.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Him, yeah okay, yeah yeah, and you know, like yeah
he was one of those yeah yeah, he was one
of those like yeah, big free agents who he was
like one of the missing pieces to several several teams
for like they got Tice and they could be getting contenders.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, he has he established himself really well man, And yeah, dude,
he was able to play nineteen seasons. He's telling me
about how he got his He wore number nineteen because
of his year. He said, if he would have continued
to play, he would have kept adding the number every year.
So that's why he talked to Russ, and that's why
Russ ended up wearing the jersey of his his years played.
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And I was like, that was interesting, you know what
I mean, But you know, we gotta get Tyson on
the show.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Man Tyson had he had some of that kg and
defensively as far as like just.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
So that was his favorite player until he actually played.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah the wait, oh yeah, I've heard that, but yeah,
commanding the defense like his You can hear his voice
through the whole arena on defense, the way he was
pointing around and just like he held the defense.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He was the goog guy on defense.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He held everybody together, told him where to go, and
he was covering up the rim in the paint. So
one of my really one of my favorite players to
watch during that era, just even though he was high scoring.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Has one of the greatest high school mixtapes of all
time too.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Tony Allen Allen Allen Allen definitely a blue guy.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Another speak. That's another guy who I was with on
that Memphis team for a good month.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Dan you was great and grind. Okay, one of the
best perimeters, uh, perimeter defenders of this era. Six time
All Defensive election. Uh you know one of the guys
that uh you know, late great Kobe Bryant mentioned is
one of the toughest matchups he's ever faced at one
point and just you know, to to to be known
for the dirty work, you know what I mean, and
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smart and intentional and you know, a huge, huge, huge,
huge glue guy for that old A Celtics team, you
know what I mean, coming in being effective. I still
remember Boston or Chicago. I'm a Bulls fend at the time,
and I'm rooting for the Bulls. Tony Allen's from Chicago,
but he's getting death threats. That series is super intense,
and you know, he's super effective on both ends, man,
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and it was. It's kind of crazy when you think
about how talented these guys on this list are because
they have to sacrifice so much. They don't have to score.
They don't have to score because they're actually do something.
If you want to play, you're gonna do whatever it
takes to stay on the floor.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yes, miss missed the first team himself, first team.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Defense, that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
But yeah, just a monster on the defensive end. But
he always I mean, he was a blue guy. He
was unselfish, willing to do whatever took the team win.
But you could tell he always felt like he could
do more offensively. Oh he wanted to. He wanted to
get more shots, wanted to handle the ball a little
bit more. At all, he was always like he had
to pull himself back to do with the team and
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the coaches asked of him. So but I mean, it
would have been fun to see him in that, maybe
in a different system where he could have scaled up
his offense and did a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But oh yeah, because it was it was. It was
a hooper okay, uh yeah in college, yeah, for sure,
you know. And I think that was the thing he
mentioned that as well about his coach at the time.
I want to say it was Eddie Sutton telling him,
if you want to make it to the NBA, you
become a defender mm hm. And he bought all the
way and he did it so that sometimes coaches don't lie, man,
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may they be seeing it. Another guy that we mentioned
on several episodes, Shane Badier Dookie, you know, two time
All Defensive Player, eighth nine AH top five defensive player
to year finishes during the era, you know what I mean,
one of the considerably he could have definitely done more,
just came in and just made him living off defense.
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He made defense cool, you know what I mean, especially perimeter,
like you really think about to this day, like, oh,
you can actually make it to the NBA being a defender. Him,
an Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince are three guys that
I mentioned for young guys to pay attention to that
just made a career off of being a legitimate stopper.
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And it's not technically like a shutdown revers island situation.
You know in basketball, you're not going to technically get
it to that way. But to contain, no basketball is
won in the last two minutes of the game, you
know what I mean. If you can really prevent.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Key stops, key stop, you want to I mean, you
want to wear on the guy and just know he
know you're there all all game and maybe getting to
his legs a little bit in the but you gotta
get the stops at the right time.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He averaging twenty seven. Get him at twenty five, you
know what I mean, get him around twenty three. You
know what I mean, the game right there. If he
got the ball and it's just y'all in the island
and it's ten seconds ago, and you get him to miss,
you did your job. He's gonna make it look like
you actually stopped him. But you know, the rules ain't
in your favor anyway. You can't keep you can't put
your hand in the cookie yard. You're gonna get caught.
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And you know, these guys are some of the specialists
that are very effective. Like you mentioned, Shane Battier has
a literal signature move with hands in the face.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Hey, what I love about Shane. What I love about
Shane is he is he was never afraid to get
embarrassed by a Kobe at the team, whoever at He
would go on another end. If they dropped forty on him,
or they crossed him or done whatever it was, he
was gonna come back the next play with the same mentality,
the same effort whatever. He wasn't afraid to get embarrassed.
He was out there to do his job. So I
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always had a lot of respect for the way he
went about his business on the defensive end. And then,
like you said, offensively, he was he was.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He was good.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He just like I said, he took the role that
he was in on the team. I always feel like
he could have been a little bit more offensively, like
you said, but just from team to team, he played
his role to a.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
T and he wouldn't change a thing. I think that's
the funny thing about it. Like he accepted everything. He
could have came in with an ego, you know what
I mean. He had plays ran for him in college.
But when you're playing with some of the greatest scorers
and you enjoy winning more than losing, and you know
that you can also live handsomely off of the sacrifice
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that you're giving to no brainer.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
This brings up a point that I want to bring
up is I think he benefited from playing with great
players in college, so he kind of knew what it
was about.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, so he didn't. His ego never took a hit.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah exactly. He knew how to fit in with good players,
let them do their thing. And a lot of guys
coming into the league when they in high school, when
in college, they would have by far the best player
on the team, never had to sacrifice, never had to
mold the game or other people. It's harder when you
get to the league and you have no choice but
to do that. Yeah, when you're around better players, everybody's
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that guy. So when to see when when you get
to the league and so I'm not the guy who
who can do whatever you want out here, it's hard
to fit that mold.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's hard to change your game. And that's a reason
why a lot of guys pades out in the league
because they can't adapt.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, no, that's that's exactly what it is, you know
what I mean. Like, guys really be struggling to a
point where you're looking and you're like, what happened? You
know what I mean? And they're trying to make a lead,
especially that year one, And for a case, I won't
mention this player's name, but I had a conversation with
him his second year. Right, everybody's praising him about his
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defense on Lebron on his rookie year, and they're like, Yo,
you're doing so well, blah blah blah, Like if you
stick like that, you're gonna make a lot of money
in this league. Well he was offensive focused, yet you
know what I mean, he switched, He switched from what
was going to be his bread and butter for the
rest of his career, and he ended up getting a
second shot and it was a defense again. And it
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was interesting because I was just like, Yo, if you
would have stuck with this instead of like, nah, I
want to be like Kobe and make a second jump
and I want to take my scoring. Look, every team
don't need that, like they're they're drafting for particular reasons,
and you just got to kind of kind of just
take it, take it, take a take a chill pill,
and just look at it and say, all right, you
know what, he definitely is a better scorer than me.
(26:44):
He's definitely a better rebounder. Just you know, like, how
do I find my way on that way.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
To my self awareness in this league? If I've seen
it so many times, just guys come into the league
with a certain idea of who they think they're going
to be in the league, and then you get in
here and the organization or your skill set says you're
gonna be something different, and just that you're not willing
to change, Like it's an ego hit to you, Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm not gonna be that twenty point score. I might
make it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
They even sacrifice the money because like, if you average
twelve and ten and play defense, you might make more
money than they be average average eighteen on a bad team.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, it's interest.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I want to be that guy. Yeah, I want to
be that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So as a guy playing in the NBA and everybody knowing,
especially your family, knowing your capability, of your skill and
what you can contribute. But you played with great players
and having an entourage, your friends text you and saying, hey, man,
go get twenty right, Obviously that gets zipped out after
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your one. But the idea, how does how does how
does the NBA player deal with that? You know what
I mean? Like, because they're not watching it realistic their
own seeing what they know that you're you know, they
watched you in college doing it, so they don't think
that it's transferable in the NBA, you know what I mean,
Like they think it's just supposed to happen.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
How do you how do maturity as a professional? You said,
what's maturity?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And listening to the right voices like yeah, that guy,
your roommate or whoever, you, you got out there with
you or your cousin or your mom or whoever it is.
They want the best for you, but they don't know.
They're not in that locker room with you every day,
not the game either day. They're not in the flow.
They don't know how good your other teammates are. They
don't know what you're being asked. So if you go
in there and score twenty doing it your way or
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their way, and y'all lose, oh, they think you had
a good game. But coaches who watch the film and
know what they want from their team, they might not
be happy. So it's about coming into the lee, listening
to the right people, and knowing you gotta play the
long game. Man, You gotta play a long games as
the NBA guy.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think you find example is preseason, right guys, get
your look that you know you're like, I'm about to
play seven minutes today. You know, I'm like, my treatment,
I gotta do my thing. Young fella, Now, mind you.
Young fella goes off twenty four points. You know, but
(29:16):
he looking, he going into this confidence of like I
knew this was sweet. You know what I mean? League? Sweet?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Preseason Summer league is fake basketball. The scoutl points are
out there. The Vets ain't playing as hard or definitely
not playing not even available. And always you always see
the confidence and the young guys, and like I said
in preseason training camp, oh, I've been working on my
game all summer.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm playing well.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And when that game won, come and they see the
intensity rise up and you see the sharpness and how
good the Vets are in the league. You can see
it all over the face, the realization of what the
NBA is really about. Yeah, how much better they need
to get to last?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah? No, absolutely, man, that's great examples. Thank you for
sharing that. The next player, Stephen Jackson, my guy, Captain
jack no denying the impact Captain jack had on many
of his team's his fourteen year career. He's able to
play two to four strong, you know, had a little
sweet jump shot. We mentioned his contribution to the two
(30:20):
thousand and three championship title, but also his He's very instrumental.
And we believe Dubbs upset against the MAVs, you know
what I mean, him bed Chase and richardson kalin Azabuki.
You know, the list goes on with those guys. But
Stephen Jackson, blue guy. You know, Bearon's the guy in
(30:42):
Golden State and jack gets there seventeen to nineteen points
a game, able to shoot the three, able to you know,
shoot a fade away, get to the basket. You know
your brother played with him a little.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Bit, right, Yeah, Yeah, step loved him his rookie year. Yeah,
they played at well he a month in the preseason,
Stack asked out. He forced the trade out because they
weren't giving him extension. But during the preseason Steph loved
being around him, love just his energy in the locker
room and helped him adapt to the league.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Absolutely one of the best guys though. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Stack is a great example of doing what it takes
to get in and then slowly evolving your game and
eventually becoming the leading guy on teams.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So he, like I said, early in his career he
was I think just him having to do that from
being I think undrafted or whatever, not necessarily making in
the league right away, and then came in. It's like, oh,
I gotta I got a guard and knockdown shots. I'm
gonna do that. But when I get the opportunity to
show I can do more and be a go to
score on, like I said, some of those Warriors teams,
(31:49):
and then going to Charlotte for a little bit and
being the main.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Guy he was. He was a bucket. He was an
absolutely bucket.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But his IQ and his I think his adaptability of
these different situations is highly underrated.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean he's a good passer. I
mean he's a complete basketball player, and especially he's super passionate,
but he's also has a he's gonna do a stack sway,
and sometimes doing a stack sway has kind of gotten away,
but still one of the greatest Bobcats to lace him up, man,
(32:24):
you know, and he'll tell you. You know, I think
it was averaging the dub that year, you know, and
I remember it. He was really getting after it, man,
So shout us to you know, Captain jack uh. Doug
Christie is head coach of the Sacramento Kings. Seattle legend.
We always talk about him, you know, his time with
Pepper nine. I remember Doug Christie were number eight before
Kobe with the Lakers. He was able to turn himself into,
(32:47):
you know, a defensive player as well. Great for those
Sacramento teams because he did not play like that before.
It's another adjustment, you know, just trying to stick with
your you know, your team, you know what I mean.
I remember him having the silky hair like Matt Barnes
and then he gets the sack team and his ball
headed you know what I mean, and just but he
was but you know, he was the epitome. Him and
(33:08):
Matt Barnes are like the epitome of like you know,
you think light skin dudes is soft, like they not
back and down like you know. Doug was really about that.
And you know, he had some infamous battles with Rick Fox,
you know what I mean, in those playoff series with
the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Edge a big edge about him and he actually my
dad backed him up in Toronto, I think ninety nine
two thousand season, Doug was starting shooting out out there
and I saw our first hand as a kid, just
his intensity. Defensively, he was guard and playing with vins
and he was that guy who had to guard to
the other team's best player and then he could shoot
(33:44):
the ball because he can put on the day. He
was like the just the all around two guard who
really had no weaknesses in his game, but really wasn't
great in anything like he wasn't He could shoot the ball,
but he wasn't great shooter. He could put on the
floor a couple of times, get to the rink, but
wasn't like a slack you know what I'm saying. He
just he was just good at everything. Nothing nothing great,
(34:05):
but it's a great teammate, like I said, just willing
to go toe to toe with anybody in the league.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, I mean and that, and that's awarded him the
situation to become the head coach of a franchise. He
put into work and.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
He earned it.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Man, even you know, after even being a broadcaster like
I've seen him, but in the time where every hat
he possibly could in Sacramento. So salute to Doug Christie
G Walla, I loved you.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Wallas.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Wall is another one like stack Jack bro Like he's
one of those combo fords that you know, you kind
of question. He had underrated wingspan and and an instinct
of playing past the lanes.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
He's not a blue out of me, He's not a
glue out of me. He's a He's a number two.
He was a number one option in Charlotte, which I
mean him as the number one option. Him the number
one option, you're not gonna be a great team to
a number in somewhere. He could have been number two
or three guy on a playoff team. Like he was
a bucket guarded at a high level. And I mean
(35:09):
just that one of the most athletic athletic guy who
hit it. He was in a couple of dunk contests,
wasn't he?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah? Yeah, early on, early on.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And he also could play small ball five in this
era if he he wanted to, you know what I mean,
because you can shoot a three. He had so much
like if he's the type of person that you will
just wave off and turn your back and he's hit
four threes, you know what I mean, or you could
shoot it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, he was one of those guys like he got
to the rim so well. You couldn't stand in front him,
so like you're gonna let him shoot, gotta respect it.
But he could get it going. Yeah, Yeah, was crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
You can have one of those nights where it's a shrug,
like how many threes? Jerll Waller's got five?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You know, he had to have a he had to
have a season or two in Charlotte. He was averaging
mid twenties, like he was getting Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I mean, like when you think about Bobcat history, him
and Steven Jackson and Kimba Walker in that like, it
ain't too many players that laced up and really got
busy like that in that uniform, but they did. They
made being a Bobcat fan fun, you know, like they
was really hooping for real. So much respect to g Wallace,
you know what I mean, He's one of the ones.
(36:14):
And lastly, Man, my guy ol you know, I was
another one from that we believe, you know, uh Warriors,
but he also put in his work with the Pacers
and the Knicks and you know, fresh out of high
school out in second round man, but was able to
play three to five sweet jumper dunk on you you
know what I mean, physical and play way bigger than six',
(36:36):
nine you know WHAT i. MEAN i think that's the
one thing that most, PEOPLE i used to Think Al
hearing's was like six or. Eleven but he's super effective
man and one of those. Dudes, man one of my,
favorite one of my Favorite warriors to watch man because
he can just really get it going and he's talking,
trash like if you don't want to run out, There
i'm gonna shoot the three are you on bang with?
Me i'm gona dunk on. You i'm gonna shoot the
fake so and one of THE o simate teammates EVERYBODY
(37:00):
i love playing with.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
ALS i just love bigs who guard and then can
step out and stress the floor and shoot, threes just
mainly BECAUSE i love playing with them to make the
game easier for everybody on the, floor because they give
you space and they can guard fours and fives in
another end and protect the rim and just.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Tough so like that's the rest of rare breed of
a guy.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Who can play a lot of positions and shoot kind
of before it's, time if we think about.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
It, yeah, no that's.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Facts all.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Right we're gonna take a quick, break and when we come,
back we're gonna share our top five blue guys to
the two. Thousands all, right, guy radist blue guards in two,
(37:51):
thousands let me hear, it all, right just get.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It number, FIVE i Got Tony, allen number, Five number,
FOUR i Got. Tyson number, THREE i Got Shane, battier
and then number two is De. Fishing one Is Bruce.
Bown like when you when you're in the to finals
and winning, championships you go to the top of the
(38:14):
list And De fish And Bruce bowne and two guys
that are just you look. Up then they compete for
a championship every.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
YEAR i like that.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
LIST i like that. List it's it's mine is not super,
similar but it's up. There So i'm gonna go at
five with. Uh i'm gonna go With Tony allen at,
Four i'm going to go With Shane. Battier at, Three
(38:45):
i'm going to go With Tyson. Chandler at, Two i'm
going to go With Bruce boyne and my number one blue,
guy big winner, Man Derek. Fisher five, titles you, know
eighteen year career to two time stant with The, lakers you,
know and probably outside Of, magic the most winning is
(39:09):
point guard In lakers. History so gotta respect. It.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Man, yeah you could.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Flipped you can flip Flop De fish And Bruce boone in,
mind absolutely on my.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
List that's. One that's, ONE, a ONE b right.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
There, yeah you know that that THAT i definitely had
to go the opposite.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Way, yeah they. Don't they don't pay for a mill
in L a Or San. Antonio that's a.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Fact that's a fact for. Real All, Right we're gonna
take another quick, break and when we come, back we're
gonna do our favorite segment born in The roman. Era all, right,
(39:51):
DOTT i really liked your you, know greatest fove do
guys in two. Thousands i'm gonna kick things off with,
uh you, know in the wrong, era AND i gotta,
say my, Guy, ah who would cook in this?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Era Al?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
HARRINGTON i Think al would really. Cook he spread the.
Floor he'll do his thing in and, out be, physical you.
KNOW i think he'll get away with a little bit.
More but he gonna spread the. Floor he's gonna shoot
that three at a high. Clip ain't gonna be hard to.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Guard he saw it on Those warriors, teams like that
was the kind of the start of just small. Ball
spread it. Out everybody can, shoot everybody can, drive and
he helped that those lineups. Work SO i kind of
alluded to it With. Al but that's a good. Pick
my boy in the wrong era got. Stacked Stephen jackson
man just like just. Versatile he could play two through,
(40:45):
four sometimes small ball five because he's like so big and.
Strong his body, type uh, physical and then obviously he
could shoot at all three, levels shoot the THREE midi
he could post up just That stack would do some
things in today's.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Game, yeah, NO i totally, agree, man to two guys
that were on a great team that can rightfully hold
their Own they got their own. Stories they played together
In indiana as, Well so you, KNOW i like. THAT
i like That corps a group of players that we, selected.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
And those two guys in the social media, era they
be going vour every night on the on the.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Floor oh absolutely. Something, yeah, yeah it would be bleeped.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Up, yeah that's some good.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Content, YEAH i would definitely pay to see. That all,
Right dot, man this has been a great. Episode or
The blue GUYS i think we touched, on you, know
some great players of this. Era can't wait to hear
what the comments have to. Say who we left? Out you,
KNOW i would love to Hear manu And Tayshaun prince
and who else that we, Mentioned Gerald, wallace Our blue.
(41:57):
Guys you, KNOW i think it's a little questionable that you.
Felt but definitely make sure you hit us up at
the goat. Pod dot where can they find?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
You that's Dot curry?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Everywhere how let me let ME i know we forgot
some guys on This this glue guy list of the
two thousands like.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
This it's a ton of them in this. Era.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah. Absolutely you can find me At trey On. Threads,
yeah we've been going crazy on thread so be sure
to hit us up.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
There.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, man and we'll be back with another. Episode so go.
Go this has been A Unanimous media. Original goat was
produced By iHeart podcasts And Unanimous. Media it was hosted by,
Me Trevon edwards and Step. Curry executive produced By Stephen
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the executive producers At iHeart podcast Are Sean titan And Jason.
English this series was produced By Derek jennings And Peter,
kuchen co Producer Kurt. Redd original music By Jesse. Woodard
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