December 29, 2025 • 49 mins
Seth and Tray dive deep into who are the Greatest Glue Guys of the 90's. They discuss the subtle differences between "Glue Guys" and "Role Guys" and debate which players deserve to be on this list, including Dennis Rodman, Robert Horry, Horace Grant and Sean Elliott. Seth discusses the importance of having "glue guys" on good teams, why he has stayed in the league so long and how he fits the "glue guy" role on teams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You want to be respected by the fans, obviously, but
there's nothing like having that respect to your peers. So
it's a reason why I've signed with Dallas three times.
It's a reason why Luca we shouldn't let him. God,
I want step back, you know what I'm saying. It's
a reason why Joe, l andb wanted me to come
in and help them, help them win. You know what
I'm saying, because I brought something to the table. They knew,
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they knew my work after they knew what kind of
teammate I was. And I mean I take a lot
of pridect that as well. When I leave a situation
when that man guy said, damn, we should have kept you.
I don't know why we traded you. You know what
I'm saying that that means something to me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What up?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Dot we back?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
We got another banger, fun topic to talk about. Man,
How you.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Living living good? Living good in the middle of the
basketball seasons. It's a winner. So you know it's hoop
season coming up, and got a we gott a real
hoop head topic for him today?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Absolutely, man, Man, Well, we ain't gonna hold them up, man,
We're gonna jump right into it, man, the greatest Blue
GUIDs of nineteen nineties. It should be fun.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And before we even get into that that basically that
that topic, we want to explain what a glue guy
is and a roll guy, Like what's the difference?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Like certain guys get thrown into this rode guy situation
and they have way more They're dependent more on offense
and defense in their role in the starting lineup. So again,
what you what what what you would think is a
glue guy.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I think a glue guy is somebody you I mean,
they compliment your best players, I feel like, so they
compliment that they fill off the lineup, whether it's the
starting lineup, they can come off the bench, but they're
integral part to your team if you want to have
long term success. So sometimes it could be a guy
who knocked down shots for you, who scores the ball
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and complements your big guys, your main guys in that way.
Sometimes it's a it's a defender some good success the
tone defensively and brings that aggression. And sometimes it's a
guy who who sets up the scores on your team.
This just depends on what kind of team you have
that glue guy is somebody who's necessary on the floor
to help your team win. I feel like, and what's
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a role guy a role guys is I think, I mean,
the definitions kind of changed over over time. So we're
talking about the nineties glue guys and nineties roll guys
and compare them to the modern NBA game, and many
of the role guys are three and D guys. In
today's NBA, you're looking for long, rangy guys who can
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spread the floor and create space for your main ball
handlers and your main shot creators, and also can guard
the other team's best players. So I think in the
in the nineties, like a role guy was, like I said,
he could play any any position. Really, it was just
a guy who you weren't calling plays for. It was
a lot more set plays back in the nineties, so
you knew where the ball was going. But I think they,
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like I said, they complimented other players on your roster,
and they weren't. They weren't probably getting most of the
shots on a ninety basis, but they were in a
go part to your team. And it's a lot of
these role guys who meant a lot. They stayed in
one place for a long time. It wasn't as much
like player movement back in the nineties. So you have
a role guy who I mean, they weren't known outside
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the market, your team played them, but they felt like
they were a staple on that team. You related some
of these guys were gonna talk about you relate them
to one individual team because they were there for a
long time and they were that important to that franchise.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Speaking of people, that's important. And I kind of like
piggyback off what you said. Man, I look at the
nineties having a lot of specialists where you know, we're
getting to that point of like it's what they really do.
They get paid the big bucks to do this, and
it's kind of like falls in the line of a
role guy, you know, I mean, like knowing your role
and being a star in your role. So it's kind
of interesting, but we didn't want to kick these things
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off of like Dennis rob mean, like obviously Dennis Robin
has been an All Star before, He's been an integral
part of multiple championship teams. Do you consider him a
role guy or a blue guy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
In the nineties, Yeah, I do, and I like it
I like you said, you said specialist too, because specialists
are kind of getting eliminated from the NBA now, like
you can't you can't do one thing really well and
last and have a weakness in a lot of other areas.
And I think Dennis rod was That's what he was
a specially he was a rebounder and a defender. Like
he wasn't gonna give you He won't gonna try to
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score the ball, even if he was in the bucket
he was kicking it out to one of his scores.
He wasn't trying to He knew what he's out there
to do. He's out there to get fifteen to twenty
rebounds and then and then play defense. And if that
was a guy in today's league who was just out
there just trying to get rebounds, he had a deficiency
in certain other areas, Like you can't be a complete
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zero on the offense and play in today's NBA. Just
two guys are too smart. Coaching staffs are too smart too,
and they're gonna they're gonna expose you. So, like I said,
Dennis Robin is the leading example of the type of
role guy or complimentary player that you saw in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, I mean, Dennis Rodman's game kind of evolved to
a little bit more. He was asked to do different
things for different squads. So the Detroit team obviously he was,
you know, a hustle guy doing what he needed to
do to stay on the floor, mostly defense, like you
know what I'm saying, And he was he was rebounding,
but like not as crazy as he was when he
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got on.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
He slowed down. He was more quick and athletic when
he was younger, but he was a defender also, he
was getting done stills. Yeah, and he got older, he
slowed down. He kind of he's more a little bit
more physical, but he still was I mean, he wasn't
he wasn't scoring a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, I mean, and when you think about that, a
guy that actually sacrifices this, well, you know, a part
of his game, you know what I mean. Most people
don't know that Dennis Robins led the Lation, basically led
the nation and scoring in D two thirty six, win
the game, and probably a little bit more. But he
was in the thirties and you know, when he got
to the league, he just didn't have to do that.
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Playing with Isaiah Thomas and Bennie Johnson and Joe Dumars
and Bill Lamber and the list goes on. But for
what he was supposed to do, I think he was
definitely a glue guy. With Detroit, he became his role
was a little bit. He was a role player off
not a role player. I felt like he was. I
don't even know how to even really like put it
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for that Bulls team man, because I think it was
more than just a role guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Talk about Dennis being a score before he got to
the league, like that brings a whole other conversation and
debate about what, like what it takes to have a
lasting NBA career, Like yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Like because when you before you get to everybody in
high school and college was one of the best players
on their team. They were to go to guy. But
then you get to the league and it's you're playing
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with a Michael Jordan. You're playing with a I mean,
one of the best to ever do it, like a
a real go get it that's going, that's going twenty
five thirty, getting paid the big bucks, and you need
to find out what you can do to compliment those guys,
like I said, and you gotta you gotta transform your game.
And I think a lot of these blue guys who
we who are gonna get into this full list of
some of the smartest players of all time, like high
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IQ guys, they know what it takes to win, They
know they know what they can can do. Obviously, I'm
sure a lot of them want to want to be
leading scorers on the team, but they sacrifice some of
that those accolades and some of the high usage to win. Yeah,
I mean simple as that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Uh, you know guys that have to pretty much change
their game up when they get to a certain level
because you know, certain guys just are better scores and
they do other things better. D Wade once mentioned it's
called the holding the camera moment. You know, somebody holds
the camera for you to take the picture, and then
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you've meet somebody that you actually have to hold the
camera take a picture of. And he was just saying,
like certain players, like you know, when Lebron joined, there
was holding a camera moment where he just felt like, Hey,
even though this is quote unquote my team, I have
I recognize the talent in the room, and I can
defer to it because it's the greater good of the
team versus me trying to go at odds with this
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person every night, who's gonna take the shot, who's gonna
do this, and holding the camera moment with just certain
different situations. And you kind of run into that in
an All Star game too, because when you, you know,
you get into the locker room of multiple talent, you're
kind of like, hey, I probably I'm happy to be
here as an All Star, but I'm probably not gonna
win MVP. I'm probably not gonna try to win MVP
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because I know that they may be three guys that
truly are in the running for the MVP.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All Star dud No, who did that? Like was the
perfect example of that recently, so Devin Booker USA team.
He watched the previous USA team what they were lacking,
they weren't they were lacking and guys willing to sacrifice
space the floor put most of the energy into the
defensive end. He was what he said, I'll do it.
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I'll be that glue. I'll be that glue guy that
that role player to win a gold medal. And he
went out there and did it like That's why he
was he wasn't he. I don't know why. He was
probably six seven le to score on the team, but
he every big moment he was on the floor, he
played them. He was out there playing the most minutes
up there with Lebron, Steph KD. Because he was willing
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to do the dirty work and compliment those guys that
I'm sure a lot of other All Stars and guys
with his skill level and his talent level weren't willing
to do.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
My question for that is, you're at home, You're watching
certain star players take a back seat. They're sacrificing for
the greater good of a gold medal. Why can't roll
guys or glue guys who are at home watch that
and get that contagious feel seeing the quote unquote star
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of their team take that backseat or or take that
leadership of saying, you know what, this is what I'm
gonna do. Because I do think that there's certain dropoffs
or like an intention in certain games. Right, you got
so many games that y'all playing, especially if you make
the playoffs, you're playing ninety some games to one hundred
some games. If you go deep and you're thinking about
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the teams that really go far. The Okay Seeds of
the world. Obviously, the Pacers just win. The Nuggets are
always in the mix. Certain teams, you got certain guys
that like the Christian Brons, you know what I mean,
Like Bruce Brown, you know, the Bruce Browns of the
world when they were making no championship runs, the Kcps,
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the Alex Caruso's, they understand it and its commitment throughout
the entire season. Now, I understand that requires a lot
of energy and stand focusing on it. But why do
you think it's not on a consistent basis throughout all teams,
despite you know, you can have a bad team.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Is it like a.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Couple of reasons. One is I feel like it's ego driven.
I mean, obviously when you do sacrifice some stuff, they
can some front offices and people around the league can
use it against you. You know what I'm saying. You
not like, oh, he this is his ceiling, even though
he might be sacrificing some stuff and just put the
great good of the team. They're like, oh, this is
the seiling. This he he can't be a better player,
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so we're not gonna pay him as much. He can't
be a high usage guy. So you know what I'm saying.
So you got to get pigeonholed in that area. And
as a young guy, if you're not confident in yourself
and confident in your career, you might you want to
see how far you can push your career and where
you can take your game. You know what I'm saying.
You don't want to be pigeonholding into a six seventh
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man on the team. Maybe I can be an all star,
you know what I'm saying. And at the end of
the day, it's a business. Some guys, I mean, you
want the best of you want you are the best
of everything. You want to make the most money, you
want to win the most you know what I'm saying.
You want and you want, you want the accolades, all
you want all three. And I mean sometimes when you're
winning a roguy you sacrifice some of it. But the
good thing I'm seeing in today's league is if you win,
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you can get paid as a as a role guy.
You can look at look at a on a Michael
Porter junior on some of those those different teams. Yeah
he wasn't, he wasn't the main guy on those teams.
He was clearly the probably the fourth best guy, but
he ended up getting his money because they won a championship.
So I mean, if you went at the highest level,
they don't want to break those teams up. They know,
they know your importance in that buildings, and they reward
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you for it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Speaking of uh, you know, knowing your role being important
being part of championships teams. He's probably gonna be high
on my list when we start talking about the top five.
Robert right, I don't say right place, right time. I
think his shots. You know, obviously his nickname is you know,
big shot Bob. I don't see a Hall of Fame,
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you know, mentioned for him, but I think blue Guy.
Any team that was actually headed towards June, he was
gonna get picked up. Somebody's gonna make a call because
he gets it. He knows how to win. He's not
really tripping off playing time. He gonna get out there.
He gonna make the best out of what he do.
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He might drive, he might dunk on, you might shoot three,
he might block a shot. He might He just is
an absolute winner. And that's Robert Rorry man Like Robert
Horry is just you know, one of them ones man.
You know, what I mean, winning with the Rockets, to
win it with the Lakers, to win it with the Spurs.
The track record says itself. I mean he has seven
seven championship rings.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, he's low maintenance from every team he went to.
You knew what you're gonna get out of the low maintenance.
He was gonna make open shots and he was He
was versatile. He could play the three for you, or
he could play the four, so he could compliment different lineups.
And I mean, as a blue guy's a roll guy,
you don't want to have to twist. The coaches don't
want to have to twist and change what they do
to fit a roll guy. They'll do that for a star,
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like one of the best players of their team, but
for I mean we're talking about a roguy blue guy
on the team, They're not gonna They don't want to
have to do that for you. Just make you feel comfortable.
A guy like Robert or he was gonna fit in
no matter what what system he played in in the triangle,
spread it out, whatever it is he could he could
play because he was versatile. Like I said, he had
good size and he could move and then obviously he
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can knock down shots and you knew he was gonna
show up in big time moments. And I mean that's
why he's he not like I said, he's he's so
valuable to his teams and showed up in so many
big time moments. We're having that debate. Is he an
actual Hall of Famer even though his numbers don't even
reflect it at all?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, I mean he's technically a winner, you know what
I mean. But I think that's the tricky conversation which
we talked about with Tim Hardaway. You know what I
mean about just certain situations that they would have to
make new categories for guys to get in. You know
what I mean, Because if you don't have multiple All Stars,
although you were part of these championship teams, they should
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just now create a Hall of Fame for just nothing
but greatest teams, you know what I'm saying. And then
he'll be in for that or he'll contribute because even
you know, with Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams, situation is
that although they are multiple winners of the sixth Man
of the Year Award, and yes that's you know that,
that that means something they never were all Stars, and
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I think that that gets a little bit, you know,
Dicey in that category of criteria of how to get in.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But also they never played it. They then went to
a finals.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, it's a lot. It's going to it, man, you
know what I mean. The one thing I can say
about JC almost nearly twenty thousand points, I was scratching
the surface. So I mean, you know, it's it gets
there and it's definitely one of those things. U. Speaking
of blue guys, Horace Grant, I feel like he's plug
and play, you know what I mean. He him and
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Rob Men were kind of interchangeable with those Bull squads.
Those bull squads were really good. But I won't take
away from Horris Grant because you know, he was very
you know, valuable, huge piece for those Bulls first repeat
and then also joining the Lakers on the back end
and doing his thing with them. So you know, like
him actually doing the thing, but also being a defensive,
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you know, huge defensive player for those Bulls teams, you
know what I mean, just doing what he had to do,
especially against those very offensive, heavy power forwards.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, he did it in two situations, whether with the
Magic or the Bulls. Like he complimitted Jordan Gray, and
he complimitted a guy like Shaq in a great way,
so that he could compliment your big who was dominating
a pay He could step out to fifteen eighteen feet
and knock down a jumper good enough, he could pass
good enough in that triangle offense to to help you out.
And then he was, like I said, great, great help
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defend the great defender in general, physical guy and like
I I mean, when you do it at that level
in multiple situations, you get that rep for all. He's
a he's a guy you want to have your team
and these teams around the league to start looking for
people like him to fit into that system. Guy who's
like another guy with low maintenance man. He can he
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can pass, you know what I'm saying. He can, he
can score good enough to where you can throw them
the ball in such situations he can he can carry
your offense for short stretches. Horace Grant you you see
him in big moments around around the greats like you
should throw on some of the greatest games of all time,
some of the greatest series of all time. It's a
reason you constantly see a guy like Horace Grant on
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that floor.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah. Absolutely. My question is can you be a glue
and roll guy and be an All Star?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I will say no, But it's there's there's examples of
it happened, Like if your team is dominant enough throughout
that season to the point where oh we gotta we
feel like we got to reward these teams because you
look around, like the voters like, oh, these multiple people
on this team will sacrificeing numbers and we got to
reward them with All Star appearance. Like you look at
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that Hawks team who got four Kyle Corky, Yeah, Kyle
forber tjft Alford. Yeah, it was like four guys who
got yeah, who got All Star appearances with on their
own would never get what they didn't have the numbers,
they would never get an All Star piers, But the
team was so good they feel like they need to
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get rewarded. So I mean, be personally, I don't agree
with it. I think All Star is the best of
the best individual players. It's it's a show, like I
want to see that. I want to see the actual
stars out there on the floor competing and putting on
for the league and the brand. But it happens. Man.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
The reason why I bring it up because I'm bringing
up another player, Rest in peace, Anthony Mason. Mason. Mason,
Anthony Mason, you know his roles to being enforcer, but
he also is the point for you know what I mean.
He had an all around game that people really love.
He's uh, you know, six Man of the Year being
in that situation. So I guess, yes, he's role guy,
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but you know the one time All Star appearance, you
know what I mean. But he knew what he needed
to do for.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Those types of Anthony Mason and you go to guy
like John Starts to both of those are those those
are borderline role guys To me, blue guys they're almost
like best players on the team type because they can
they run off you run offense through them.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
They were That's what said like if your number being
it's kind of tough to be kind of you know,
saying like, ah, man, he's a clue, he's a glue guy.
He's a good fit man. Because blue guys in good
fits are like low key like seventh eighth man, you
know what I mean, like you know and I don't.
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So that might be why they teams weren't good enough
to to win championship because they were they were the
second third best players on the team. If they went
to a team where they would have a team, they
would have been winning. Yeah, yeah, they would have been winning,
all right.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
So maybe like a Tony.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah to both of those are better than Tony Kukoch individually.
I was say, but you think so, I think so.
I think so.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I mean, I think Tony Cook coach was capable of
doing more than what he was supposed to do. But
I think what he was asked to do, especially coming
from you know, Croatia and joining the Bulls and doing
what he did, he was a glue guy and them
in those championship teams before and then after actually you
know the ninety four season when they asked you know
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him to take the shot over Scottie Pippen and yeah,
you know, controversial type of players was with Milwaukee, you know,
he became a solid role guy.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Never like cou coach is tough because I feel like,
do we ever see him in a different system.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
We did, We did, But it wasn't like it didn't
shine well because he dealt with injuries, you know what
I'm saying. So it was like it's time in Milwaukee
and just different, different, different looks.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It just wasn't I think in his prime, when he
was his most athletic, maybe his best self, he was
kind of pigeonhole as that role guy, and.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Year they wouldn't and wasn't gonna let him do more
than what the Big three was doing already.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it's like that. I mean, now, I'm Clazer a
tough example because he's he's a better player. But people,
you can say, what does Clay look like if he
has his own team. We only saw him in his
prime with the Wars as the second to fourth best
player on those teams, So when you match him up
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against some of the best shooting guards of all time,
we just don't get to see how usage Clay for
a long period of time. So it's like you can
extrapolate and try to say what he would look like,
but we don't really know. I think that's the case
with some guys on this list, like they're there at
their best self, they were six men and they weren't
really able to spread their wings and show if they
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could have been more.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I do look at Dale Davis. Yeah, you know,
strong role, strong glue, you know those pacers teams there
identity guys, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's who they were, That's who they were, Like, yeah, strong,
but they're gonna bring the physicality to your team, hold
down the paint. And in the nineties it was a
lot more you dumped it down to the post more
so it was more physically you needed guys like them
to to use foules to guard back to the basket
post players. It's I think some of those road guys,
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like some of those positions have been eliminated in today's
NBA because the game is different. You don't need you
don't need enforces as much. You need more more versatile
skill guys who can, like I said, shoot the balls,
spread the floor. I think what others like, do you
see that? Do you agree? You see ways like a
role player has changed as.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Because the role guys being asked to do way more
than what he probably was supposed to do. Then within
the nineties, a role guy literally in the nine you know,
think about a point guard. Point guard come in, he
gonna run the offense. They just gonna switch the offense
and say, all right, we're gonna go down. If your
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star player was a win, they about to just run
through the through the big in today's game you come
in for said, whoever you shoot the lights out? Yeah,
you could go get forty And I'm not gonna be like,
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how y'all got way more free reign to do? You
know where you're like what, who had what? Because guys
take the most advantage of their opportunity. They're not like,
I'm not supposed to do this, I'm not a robot.
In the nineties, I felt like it was a robot
kind of ran system where you're not gonna get too
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comfortable of trying to show off more than what you
can do, you know what I mean. It was kind
of next man up of like all right, well who's
the second saying who can we can run these sets for?
But like now, if you hot, we're gonna keep calling
your number and we going to you until we can't
go to you. And a he was amazing for us
at the post game, like how'd you get forty four? Man?
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My teammates trusted me, you know, they was working hard
for me and I was able to shoot twenty six
shots that I'm never gonna get again, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Like it's a little different, you know what I mean?
You're not looking through.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The box floor. You can play eight ten years in
the league with a very very limited skill set. Just
about being big, strong, physical, being in the right spots,
being smart. I think the case to that you gotta
be a hooper. That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
That's a fact. Derek Harper definitely a role guy. I
don't say he a glue guy because he was way
more important and way used a little bit more because
you know, obviously defense, taking care of the ball, running
the all offense, getting the ball to Ronaldo black Men,
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getting the ball to you know, all the scoring guys.
You know that he played with man even in New York.
You know what I'm saying, he's getting the ball to Ewing,
making sure he's knocking down big shots, like similar to
a Derek Fisher, you know what I'm saying, Like them
dudes gonna get out there, take the charge, get to steal,
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push the fast break, find the right guys and you know,
making and make a name for themselves. They might finish
the game with eleven points, sometimes seventeen if the looks
is there. But definitely Derek Harper being on any type
of team, he's coming in as a glue guy. Fit.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, he's the king of the handshake. He's a He's
a nightmare for other great point guards to see. You know,
it's gonna be a full night of physicality for ninety
four feet. Like you said, he's the traditional point guard
to he running, He's set people up, getting you in
the right spots just to throw back guard all in
all sense of it. So you don't see guys like
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him anymore either.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah. PJ Brown another guy. I mean, obviously he started
early on in his career, but like found his way
moving around. But like guys were like, hey, we need
somebody to like lay people out, you know what I mean.
We need somebody to set good screens. We need somebody
to knock the fifteen foot or down. We need somebody
to just be a tough rebounder.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Like to me, PJ is an example of a glue
guy off the floor too, Like beyond the court, you
knew if you lock the PJ came to your team. Yeah,
he was a he was a vet, and he had
that respect in the locker room from everybody, even though
he wasn't the best player on the team. I know
when he came to Charlotte to play with my pops
like he was. He was the og in there. Even
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around OG's he was an og. Everybody respected them. Oh
so yeah, old soul and he like you don't see
that on the fluster stuff. Fans don't see behind the scenes.
You don't see what the glue guys are doing in
the locker room. And I think he reminds me of
a David west for those those Kevin Durant Warriors team,
Like he was like you know, David Weston. He played
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probably ten to fifteen minutes a night, but in that
locker room where he spoke, everybody listen, everybody listen. He
brought something that Steph Draymond clay Kt didn't bring as
far as veteran leadership. He'd been around seeing it all,
and they needed him to win those chips, even though
he wasn't, like I said, he wasn't one of the
main guys. Yeah, he was a glue guy on the
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bench in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Another guy Uncle Cliff rest in Peace, Cliff Robins, you
know Cliff. You know he had interchangeability, you know what
I'm saying. He could do three four five, He was
skilled and do these things. But obviously playing for us
outside of Portland days. He could be used sparingly on offense.
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But like another fit guy, like you go acquire a
Cliff Robinson, you're gonna be like, I know what I'm getting.
You know what I'm saying, You're not getting Cliff Robinson.
Like when I think about all these guys on the list,
if we were to make trades for any of these guys,
are they becoming number one or number two on your team?
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And that solidifies if they are glue or role guys
because I traded for them for my team and gets stronger.
I traded for them for my locker room to improve.
I traded for them to get more rebounds. Specialist guys,
guys that are missing pieces.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Cliff Robinson is one of the specific reason like our
front office specifically chose you and went out and saw it,
went after you because we had a deficiency in this
area on our team, and we came and came and
got you. I like, I like you. Bringing up Cliff
in that sense. He was a versatile guy, could play
multiple positions.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Like you look at later in his career how he
was used. It's a hole in the power for it position.
We might have a young guy that really can go,
but Cliff gonna beat him up in practice. You know
I'm saying Cliff might the young fella might get in
fouled trouble. Cliff gotta come in and play eighteen minutes
that he wasn't expected. He probably thought he canna get
a d MP. You know what I mean. Like him
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and PJ. Brown are those old school type power forwards
that they're capable. They know what they do best. They
gonna have some free game for the youngsters, and they
know why they was brought in the camp, you know
what I mean, or acquired during the middle of the season,
because those are the guys. That's why PJ. Brown was
a part of those Celtics teams. And you know what
I mean, like because they know what type of guy
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that you're getting and them that's the type of glue guys.
The Jeff horn Set said starter. But again, if you
trade for Jeff horn Set, even though he can score
and shoot the three ball, he's most likely probably going
to contribute.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Jeff wanna sac Damn Marley the next guy on our
list to both for.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I think a little bit higher, bro, because thunder.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Dem I don't think either of them. I can't consider
either of them a glue guy. I think they're I
think parts of a team.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, Like they definitely are huge roles.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Their borderline All Stars. Dann Marley was an All Star,
so the bucket.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, you know what I mean, it's kind of hard
to be like, oh, he's a glue guy now because
something glue guy can be a.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You don't want to hear that. If you're a good
enough player like I'm I don't it could be like
a stigma. I don't want to be a good guy
like those two. I don't know, man, Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, if you got a nickname, if you got a nickname,
bro Thunder Damn Bru really especially part of that ninety
three finals team, Like obviously it goes third, third fiddle
because it goes you know, Barkley kJ than him, so.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You know, you kind of it's just the third best
player on the team. I don't that's it, you know
what I mean, Like you're still one of them options
being around.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
For you, you know what I mean. You're doing what
you gotta do. You gotta defend, you gotta play some offense,
your two wight player, you know. But if I trade
for Dan Martin den Marley gonna start yeah, you know
what I mean, Like fact, it's that simple, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's why that's why I'm struggling with him on this list.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Sam Perkins another guy that is another role guy, very
old school, could shoot the three. He picked up the three.
He probably one of the first guys that actually, uh
was kind of letting it fly for his stretch five,
stretch five, hitting the trail three, you know what I mean.
Like he was actually fun, especially in Seattle Fergus.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Even when he was young, he got that old man
YMCA game slow, but he's gonna cook you like he
used but used his position, his body and he played
at his own pace, like he could shoot the ball
good enough. He could give you a couple of spins,
get to a spot, shoot a little floater hook like
this old man games seemed like people had a knight
(31:53):
just were just frustrated with him all night trying to
guard him. Because there's people more athletic playing a buck,
like playing quicker, playing faster than him. But he was
giving you nightmares with his skill set in his body.
Like even like I said, even when he was younger,
he was he was like his game was was developed
beyond his age.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, absolutely, And I mean you know, again, the NBA
kind of hands you that type of role that you
you know, in North Carolina, he was he was actually
he was he was actually you know, really like that.
And then you know, going with the Lakers and the Sonics,
he's actually be used, you know to do other things.
So you know, shout outs to him being very serviceable,
you know, I mean taking two hundred and fifty threes.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Say shot three hundred and sixty three threes in nineteen
ninety six. Yeah, letting them fly, insane, let them fly.
He's probably looks like there's like, this is a unicorn.
What is going? I know Coach was hot at him. Yeah,
he had a bad shooting night. There was like stop
shooting threes. I know it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He's still letting them fly. He didn't care. Ron Harper,
I don't know if he belonged on this list. I mean,
mineus the knee stuff. He might be a roll guy,
key road guy in that situation, but he was primarily
a starter, you know what I mean. Obviously had to
play take a back seat to a Jordan or Shaq
and Kobe would give Ronald Harper his team in Cleveland,
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his team and LA when he was a Clipper, Like
you know, grand Like he's.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
On this list because of his his older years. Yeah,
I mean, honestly, he slowed down. He wasn't as as athletic,
like you said, his knee injuries, so he kind of.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
He's technically on this list because the Bulls was just
that damn good. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
that's it, that's it. He playing for Utah, he playing
for one of these other teams, starting alongside some of
these dudes, man, you know what I mean, Like he
just really he really was just.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, the fact that he was able to start late
with a bad knee in the two thousands, he was good.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Mario Ellie blue guy obviously had some big moments in
the finals with the Rockets. But when you trade for
Mario Ellie, you knew what you was gonna get. Obviously
he could be a darker on the team. He definitely
was gonna start, uh, you know, and he just was
one of them dudes, man, But like another plug and
play guy, you know what I mean. Rockets. I like
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that Rockets team in general had certain guys that especially
on the wing, the two and the three, and you.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Can't fits your team around around the King. Yeah, you
needed shooting. You need guys who spread the floor because
you knew the King was gonna get to get doubled
on the post, so you needed that was kind of
I mean that that was kind of started at three
and D wave them. And then the Spurs came along
where you had where they had Sean, they would post
Sean Elliott and guys like that, just post him in
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the corner and if the ball came to you and
you gotta knock it down at a high clip and
go guard the other end. Because we got like our
offices being ran around biggs who are command a double team.
So we need guys to fix specific roles that could
spread the floor, shoot the ball, and just re versatile
in that sense on the defensive end.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, Sean Elliot. You know, I didn't see Shan Elliott
played for anybody outside of Spurs. He's probably the most
Spurs guy outside of Tim Duncan you know what I mean?
When you see Sean Elliott, Yeah, you know he was effective,
but definitely when the defenders.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I'm a Sean Elliott guy man because he played his
role to a t to a t like just annoying,
just annoying. You hated him unless he was you were
a Spurs fan, Yeah, he was. He was an instigator
on defense. He's gonna be physical, he's gonna play dirty.
But he was posting offense. He would post up in
that corner players role, and it seemed like that ball
found him in the corner. He was knocking it down
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every time.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And then and then when he like it was funny
because he played his role so well then and it
was so important to that team. Once he left, they
kept trying to fill that with different people, whether it
was Richard Jefferson later on, whoever it was. They're like,
we play like play like Sean Elliott, you know what
I'm saying. They they got close, but it never really
mashed up to what he was doing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Absolutely, Man. We just went through a great list of players,
a lot of questionable guys that could be roll guys.
A couple of guys could be clue guys. A couple
of guys could just start on any other team. It's
gonna be interesting in citys Fire, but we're gonna take
a quick break and when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, hear god'spot, all right.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I'm interested to hear this one, man, because we went
through a lot of players, a lot of these joints questionable.
I'm really curious to see where you go with this one.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I got a solid five. Okay, everybody, let's go. Let's
go number five. I'm rocking with Sean Elliott. Like I said,
when you win up those amount of championships and you're
that important to that team, you're on my five. Number
four Tony Kuk coach speak for itself. Those those championship
bulls teams number three Big Shot Bob Robert Horry, Number
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two Horse Grant, and number one Dennis Robin. I mean
we do it on two different championship teams at that level.
Dennis Robin, like he's the ultimate glue guy, and he
was so good at his role and feeling that that
specific area you need for these teams. Like he became
a star in his role. Like he became a star
as a as a glue guy, which is insane.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I ain't mad at it, man, I'm gonna go number five.
I'm gonna go with PJ. Brown, all right. I like
PJ Brown. It's being used sparingly for that situation and
how he was you know, asked called upon on certain
teams and when they needed him. You know, you go
about it that way. At number four, I'm gonna go, uh,
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you know, I'm gonna go Sean Elliott, you know what
I mean, because he he ain't really gets to play
anywhere else, but he let he basically carried his road
like on the sleeve, man, you know what I mean,
really was wrapped up on that. Uh. At three, I'm
gonna go with Horace Grant. You know, hars Grant's, like
I said, the most important part of that Bulls three peat.
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But also you know, he went to Orlando, he went
to LA he showed up and did his role, but
also you know on the defense and offensive end. And
then number two, I got Dennis Rodman, you know what
I mean. Dennis Rodman. Obviously most people think he should
probably be number one in that way, but he was
kind of a star to me.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So the only Hall of Famer we talked about today,
by the way, only hall.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Of famer, you know what I mean. But he's he's
just no Tony could coach Hall of Famer too, but
you know, yeah, so but he's uh no, it's all good.
But looking at him in the situation of you know,
Rodman kind of just he separates himself from this, maybe
because it's just he's just cooler. I don't know. Maybe
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he was just like he knew his popularity.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I'm gonna let you get to your number one. But
Tony was he kind of got the Hall of Fame
nine for his whole career with the right like not
just NBA wave but international who's too.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, I mean he had game, you know what I mean.
I don't think he kind of took it over the top.
He kind of similar to I mean, was All Star
one year Charlotte, but outside of that, like again the
international game and combined it, it get a little tricky
and dicey in that situation. But I respected and number
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one rober worry. I got a reward winners man right place,
right time, big shots all the time, no All Star appearances,
but just wherever he went, he won man. And I
think that's that's not saying that Dennis Robman didn't do that,
but Dennis Robmin had a few scratch offs, and uh,
you know, you only can say that for Robert in Phoenix,
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where he didn't win, which he got traded to the
Lakers and they won. Dennis Robin was in San Antonio,
in LA in Dallas where he came up short. He
probably didn't finish the season, you know he and he
just was a star man. So he can't be number
one for me. But I gotta get big shot, you know,
a big shot Bob in there, just because he he
just was that important to most of these teams.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
To tough to argue with those two fives, Like it's
that's that's beauty is in the eye, you know what
I'm saying. Like, it's what I like about both lists though,
is everybody on all ten slots is they got a ring.
It's champions champions only, you know what I'm saying. So,
I mean, winning is the ultimate criteria. This is why
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we even discussing a lot of people. While we even
know a lot of people. Some people come into the
league and they're out the league and in order to
build a rep despite you winning the championship or not,
you got to win ball games for you to be rememberable,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Or your impact, you know what I mean when you
think about you, I mean you played for multiple franchises
and you think about guys he said, well, they ain't
win the championship or dang, they haven't been out of
the first round or second round franchise history or.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
And you're like, well, why, it's like all these guys
play hard and they got most of the wins or
you know, they're hard and pride of this different things.
You look at it and you say, all right, that
make a lot of sense, man, because you want people
to look at you that way and just at least
say that you competed. Everybody not gonna be able to
make it to play in June, unfortunately, just because teams
are just really good and players are just you know
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that talented.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
It's just their time, man, and you know you got
to be grateful for it. I don't look at people
with fourteen year careers and be like, man, you ain't
do nothing like nah, man, like in itself, you know
what I mean, for you to even be playing ten
plus years, that's an ultimate high respect, you know what
I mean? Like if you asks the high school all
American right now what they want your career, some of
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them wouldn't even understand the complexity of how hard it
is to stay in the NBA, you have to loan
the journey that you had.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
So I think I'm gonna through out there about being
a glue guy too. You got to earn the respect
of these these legends. So like you see the Robert
Orry is going for Team the team Horse Grant, whether
it's Dennis rob mean, like before they did it, they
earned the respect of the Jordan's, the Shacks. You know
what I'm saying to be to Oh, I want that
guy on my team. I want to I'm relying on
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this guy to help my legacy, help me win the championship,
like when it's only a handful of guys that can
be the best player on a championship team, like realistically,
so it's like, oh, I want I want to put
this guy on my team to help me help me
win because I got to it's a fine limited window
be able to win a championship. And I think Dennis Rocket,
Dennis Rodman can help me do it. I think Robert
(42:42):
Ory can help me do it. You know you know
what I'm getting that like like they got that trust
and the main guys. I know when Steph just like
picking his brain back and it's like seven eight years
ago when they was in the prime and going to
the finals every year. He was looking around the league
guys who it's like, I know i O, Sean lives
Did and Andrea Goadala. I know who they are as
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players and people and what they and what they value
and how they can help winning. So I feel like
I can help them, like they're gonna help me and
I'm gonna help they both both our legacies. I'm gonna
go to a different stratosphere because of who they are
as players, and like these guys on our list, they
got the ultimate respect of people all around the league,
even though they might not be the most talented.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I'm pulling for a story here, but you've been in
situations where teams had a chance to pick you up
and pursue you. Yeah, you're very important glue guy in
this league to a point of your specialty of shooting
the three. How does it feel when you know, like
(43:44):
you had some time before you joined the Warriors. Obviously
you went to camp and you had that you know,
you could have easily just said you know what, so
elsewhere even though I had this verbal agreement, you know
what I mean, How does it.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Feel you want to be respected by the fans, obviously,
but there's nothing like being having that respect to your peers.
So it's a reason why I've signed with Dallas three times.
It's a reason why Luca Oh, I want to know.
We shouldn't let him go. I want step back. You
know what I'm saying. It's a reason why Joe, l
and b wanted me to come in and help them,
(44:18):
help them win. You know what I'm saying, because I
brought something to the table. They knew, they knew my
work after they knew what kind of teammate I was,
and that's I mean, I take a lot of pride
of that as well. When I leave a situation that
when that man guy says, damn, we should have kept you.
I don't know why we traded you. You know what
I'm saying, That that means something to me.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yeah, I mean that. I mean it goes a long way,
and I don't know if fans ever digested that way,
but it shows the true value of a team and
the importance of when you look at look down that
bench and you see the reliability. You know what I'm saying,
Like you you reliable? You know what I mean? When
people call your number, you know, hey, I can rely
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on this dude to make the big shot. He he's
a great shooter, you know what I mean, Like you
don't rad no smuggle your name. Man, when you really
think about it, when they say hey, man, when you
think about this dude, you know what I mean, Like,
it could have been completely different. Hey, the Warriors are
looking at Seth Curry and it's like, all right, when
the last time he made some shots or you know,
(45:18):
like no, it's an excitement because they know the possibility
of a man in the right shift and the right plays,
the right screens. This dude can go off at any time.
He's very you know what I mean. Like, and that's
just a respect across the board, man, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
So yeah, that's just my case making, just being knocking
down shots of the big situations in the playoffs whatever.
But that could be the case with anybody in different
areas of the game. You know, certain guys are gonna
shy away from the physicality of the playoffs. Like you
look down at the bench, you'd be like, man, oh,
I know he ain't gonna be scared in a game seven.
You know what I'm saying he's gonna be ready to go.
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So that's the type of things that front offices man
star players look for around the league, that can fill
out a roster and compliment them in the highest moments.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Absolutely, we're gonna take a quick break, but when we
come back, we're gonna talk about our born in the
Wrong Era player. All right, Dot, I'm gonna kick this off.
(46:28):
Since he started off the five man, my born in
the Wrong Era player probably most likely would be Tony
Kok Coach. I feel like Tony Cook coach would.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Cook in this era.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I think he got the size. He spreads the floor,
he can put it on the ground. I think he
would be even beneficial as a third guy. He's gonna
get paid in this league. He might be an All star,
you know, just our team defend him. He's gonna be
used a little bit differently. I don't know if he
ends up back and you know, if I put him
alongside another player, I think guys are gonna actually use
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him better than how he was using the nineties.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
We're on the same waveling. Because I'm going to Robert
Roy for it. You can copy and paste. Everybody around
the league right now is looking for it versatile somebody
sixty six to six' ten who can shoot the, ball
and both of those guys can do. It versatile players
who can guard multiple positions will be. More they would
be considered three N d guys in today's league was
(47:24):
with high skill. Levels SO i, Mean Robert, oi you
can you can plug and play on any team in
the league right.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Now, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i like. That pick. Man all, right,
man you, know we we covered, everything. Man we talked
about the glue. Guys we talked about the road. Guys.
Man we hit on most of the nineties guys that
could have you, know fit this, category, Man And i'm
excited to talk about the next. Topic. Man So, dot
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You want to be respected by the fans, obviously, but
there's nothing like having that respect to your peers. So
it's a reason why I've signed with Dallas three times.
It's a reason why Luca we shouldn't let him. God,
I want step back, you know what I'm saying. It's
a reason why Joe, l andb wanted me to come
in and help them, help them win. You know what
I'm saying, because I brought something to the table. They knew,
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they knew my work after they knew what kind of
teammate I was. And I mean I take a lot
of pridect that as well. When I leave a situation
when that man guy said, damn, we should have kept you.
I don't know why we traded you. You know what
I'm saying that that means something to me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What up?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Dot we back?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
We got another banger, fun topic to talk about. Man,
How you.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Living living good? Living good in the middle of the
basketball seasons. It's a winner. So you know it's hoop
season coming up, and got a we gott a real
hoop head topic for him today?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Absolutely, man, Man, Well, we ain't gonna hold them up, man,
We're gonna jump right into it, man, the greatest Blue
GUIDs of nineteen nineties. It should be fun.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And before we even get into that that basically that
that topic, we want to explain what a glue guy
is and a roll guy, Like what's the difference?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Like certain guys get thrown into this rode guy situation
and they have way more They're dependent more on offense
and defense in their role in the starting lineup. So again,
what you what what what you would think is a
glue guy.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I think a glue guy is somebody you I mean,
they compliment your best players, I feel like, so they
compliment that they fill off the lineup, whether it's the
starting lineup, they can come off the bench, but they're
integral part to your team if you want to have
long term success. So sometimes it could be a guy
who knocked down shots for you, who scores the ball
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and complements your big guys, your main guys in that way.
Sometimes it's a it's a defender some good success the
tone defensively and brings that aggression. And sometimes it's a
guy who who sets up the scores on your team.
This just depends on what kind of team you have
that glue guy is somebody who's necessary on the floor
to help your team win. I feel like, and what's
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a role guy a role guys is I think, I mean,
the definitions kind of changed over over time. So we're
talking about the nineties glue guys and nineties roll guys
and compare them to the modern NBA game, and many
of the role guys are three and D guys. In
today's NBA, you're looking for long, rangy guys who can
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spread the floor and create space for your main ball
handlers and your main shot creators, and also can guard
the other team's best players. So I think in the
in the nineties, like a role guy was, like I said,
he could play any any position. Really, it was just
a guy who you weren't calling plays for. It was
a lot more set plays back in the nineties, so
you knew where the ball was going. But I think they,
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like I said, they complimented other players on your roster,
and they weren't. They weren't probably getting most of the
shots on a ninety basis, but they were in a
go part to your team. And it's a lot of
these role guys who meant a lot. They stayed in
one place for a long time. It wasn't as much
like player movement back in the nineties. So you have
a role guy who I mean, they weren't known outside
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the market, your team played them, but they felt like
they were a staple on that team. You related some
of these guys were gonna talk about you relate them
to one individual team because they were there for a
long time and they were that important to that franchise.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Speaking of people, that's important. And I kind of like
piggyback off what you said. Man, I look at the
nineties having a lot of specialists where you know, we're
getting to that point of like it's what they really do.
They get paid the big bucks to do this, and
it's kind of like falls in the line of a
role guy, you know, I mean, like knowing your role
and being a star in your role. So it's kind
of interesting, but we didn't want to kick these things
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off of like Dennis rob mean, like obviously Dennis Robin
has been an All Star before, He's been an integral
part of multiple championship teams. Do you consider him a
role guy or a blue guy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
In the nineties, Yeah, I do, and I like it
I like you said, you said specialist too, because specialists
are kind of getting eliminated from the NBA now, like
you can't you can't do one thing really well and
last and have a weakness in a lot of other areas.
And I think Dennis rod was That's what he was
a specially he was a rebounder and a defender. Like
he wasn't gonna give you He won't gonna try to
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score the ball, even if he was in the bucket
he was kicking it out to one of his scores.
He wasn't trying to He knew what he's out there
to do. He's out there to get fifteen to twenty
rebounds and then and then play defense. And if that
was a guy in today's league who was just out
there just trying to get rebounds, he had a deficiency
in certain other areas, Like you can't be a complete
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zero on the offense and play in today's NBA. Just
two guys are too smart. Coaching staffs are too smart too,
and they're gonna they're gonna expose you. So, like I said,
Dennis Robin is the leading example of the type of
role guy or complimentary player that you saw in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, I mean, Dennis Rodman's game kind of evolved to
a little bit more. He was asked to do different
things for different squads. So the Detroit team obviously he was,
you know, a hustle guy doing what he needed to
do to stay on the floor, mostly defense, like you
know what I'm saying, And he was he was rebounding,
but like not as crazy as he was when he
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got on.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
He slowed down. He was more quick and athletic when
he was younger, but he was a defender also, he
was getting done stills. Yeah, and he got older, he
slowed down. He kind of he's more a little bit
more physical, but he still was I mean, he wasn't
he wasn't scoring a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, I mean, and when you think about that, a
guy that actually sacrifices this, well, you know, a part
of his game, you know what I mean. Most people
don't know that Dennis Robins led the Lation, basically led
the nation and scoring in D two thirty six, win
the game, and probably a little bit more. But he
was in the thirties and you know, when he got
to the league, he just didn't have to do that.
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Playing with Isaiah Thomas and Bennie Johnson and Joe Dumars
and Bill Lamber and the list goes on. But for
what he was supposed to do, I think he was
definitely a glue guy. With Detroit, he became his role
was a little bit. He was a role player off
not a role player. I felt like he was. I
don't even know how to even really like put it
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for that Bulls team man, because I think it was
more than just a role guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Talk about Dennis being a score before he got to
the league, like that brings a whole other conversation and
debate about what, like what it takes to have a
lasting NBA career, Like yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Like because when you before you get to everybody in
high school and college was one of the best players
on their team. They were to go to guy. But
then you get to the league and it's you're playing
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with a Michael Jordan. You're playing with a I mean,
one of the best to ever do it, like a
a real go get it that's going, that's going twenty
five thirty, getting paid the big bucks, and you need
to find out what you can do to compliment those guys,
like I said, and you gotta you gotta transform your game.
And I think a lot of these blue guys who
we who are gonna get into this full list of
some of the smartest players of all time, like high
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IQ guys, they know what it takes to win, They
know they know what they can can do. Obviously, I'm
sure a lot of them want to want to be
leading scorers on the team, but they sacrifice some of
that those accolades and some of the high usage to win. Yeah,
I mean simple as that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Uh, you know guys that have to pretty much change
their game up when they get to a certain level
because you know, certain guys just are better scores and
they do other things better. D Wade once mentioned it's
called the holding the camera moment. You know, somebody holds
the camera for you to take the picture, and then
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you've meet somebody that you actually have to hold the
camera take a picture of. And he was just saying,
like certain players, like you know, when Lebron joined, there
was holding a camera moment where he just felt like, Hey,
even though this is quote unquote my team, I have
I recognize the talent in the room, and I can
defer to it because it's the greater good of the
team versus me trying to go at odds with this
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person every night, who's gonna take the shot, who's gonna
do this, and holding the camera moment with just certain
different situations. And you kind of run into that in
an All Star game too, because when you, you know,
you get into the locker room of multiple talent, you're
kind of like, hey, I probably I'm happy to be
here as an All Star, but I'm probably not gonna
win MVP. I'm probably not gonna try to win MVP
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because I know that they may be three guys that
truly are in the running for the MVP.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All Star dud No, who did that? Like was the
perfect example of that recently, so Devin Booker USA team.
He watched the previous USA team what they were lacking,
they weren't they were lacking and guys willing to sacrifice
space the floor put most of the energy into the
defensive end. He was what he said, I'll do it.
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I'll be that glue. I'll be that glue guy that
that role player to win a gold medal. And he
went out there and did it like That's why he
was he wasn't he. I don't know why. He was
probably six seven le to score on the team, but
he every big moment he was on the floor, he
played them. He was out there playing the most minutes
up there with Lebron, Steph KD. Because he was willing
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to do the dirty work and compliment those guys that
I'm sure a lot of other All Stars and guys
with his skill level and his talent level weren't willing
to do.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
My question for that is, you're at home, You're watching
certain star players take a back seat. They're sacrificing for
the greater good of a gold medal. Why can't roll
guys or glue guys who are at home watch that
and get that contagious feel seeing the quote unquote star
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of their team take that backseat or or take that
leadership of saying, you know what, this is what I'm
gonna do. Because I do think that there's certain dropoffs
or like an intention in certain games. Right, you got
so many games that y'all playing, especially if you make
the playoffs, you're playing ninety some games to one hundred
some games. If you go deep and you're thinking about
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the teams that really go far. The Okay Seeds of
the world. Obviously, the Pacers just win. The Nuggets are
always in the mix. Certain teams, you got certain guys
that like the Christian Brons, you know what I mean,
Like Bruce Brown, you know, the Bruce Browns of the
world when they were making no championship runs, the Kcps,
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the Alex Caruso's, they understand it and its commitment throughout
the entire season. Now, I understand that requires a lot
of energy and stand focusing on it. But why do
you think it's not on a consistent basis throughout all teams,
despite you know, you can have a bad team.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Is it like a.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Couple of reasons. One is I feel like it's ego driven.
I mean, obviously when you do sacrifice some stuff, they
can some front offices and people around the league can
use it against you. You know what I'm saying. You
not like, oh, he this is his ceiling, even though
he might be sacrificing some stuff and just put the
great good of the team. They're like, oh, this is
the seiling. This he he can't be a better player,
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so we're not gonna pay him as much. He can't
be a high usage guy. So you know what I'm saying.
So you got to get pigeonholed in that area. And
as a young guy, if you're not confident in yourself
and confident in your career, you might you want to
see how far you can push your career and where
you can take your game. You know what I'm saying.
You don't want to be pigeonholding into a six seventh
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man on the team. Maybe I can be an all star,
you know what I'm saying. And at the end of
the day, it's a business. Some guys, I mean, you
want the best of you want you are the best
of everything. You want to make the most money, you
want to win the most you know what I'm saying.
You want and you want, you want the accolades, all
you want all three. And I mean sometimes when you're
winning a roguy you sacrifice some of it. But the
good thing I'm seeing in today's league is if you win,
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you can get paid as a as a role guy.
You can look at look at a on a Michael
Porter junior on some of those those different teams. Yeah
he wasn't, he wasn't the main guy on those teams.
He was clearly the probably the fourth best guy, but
he ended up getting his money because they won a championship.
So I mean, if you went at the highest level,
they don't want to break those teams up. They know,
they know your importance in that buildings, and they reward
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you for it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Speaking of uh, you know, knowing your role being important
being part of championships teams. He's probably gonna be high
on my list when we start talking about the top five.
Robert right, I don't say right place, right time. I
think his shots. You know, obviously his nickname is you know,
big shot Bob. I don't see a Hall of Fame,
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you know, mentioned for him, but I think blue Guy.
Any team that was actually headed towards June, he was
gonna get picked up. Somebody's gonna make a call because
he gets it. He knows how to win. He's not
really tripping off playing time. He gonna get out there.
He gonna make the best out of what he do.
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He might drive, he might dunk on, you might shoot three,
he might block a shot. He might He just is
an absolute winner. And that's Robert Rorry man Like Robert
Horry is just you know, one of them ones man.
You know, what I mean, winning with the Rockets, to
win it with the Lakers, to win it with the Spurs.
The track record says itself. I mean he has seven
seven championship rings.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, he's low maintenance from every team he went to.
You knew what you're gonna get out of the low maintenance.
He was gonna make open shots and he was He
was versatile. He could play the three for you, or
he could play the four, so he could compliment different lineups.
And I mean, as a blue guy's a roll guy,
you don't want to have to twist. The coaches don't
want to have to twist and change what they do
to fit a roll guy. They'll do that for a star,
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like one of the best players of their team, but
for I mean we're talking about a roguy blue guy
on the team, They're not gonna They don't want to
have to do that for you. Just make you feel comfortable.
A guy like Robert or he was gonna fit in
no matter what what system he played in in the triangle,
spread it out, whatever it is he could he could
play because he was versatile. Like I said, he had
good size and he could move and then obviously he
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can knock down shots and you knew he was gonna
show up in big time moments. And I mean that's
why he's he not like I said, he's he's so
valuable to his teams and showed up in so many
big time moments. We're having that debate. Is he an
actual Hall of Famer even though his numbers don't even
reflect it at all?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, I mean he's technically a winner, you know what
I mean. But I think that's the tricky conversation which
we talked about with Tim Hardaway. You know what I
mean about just certain situations that they would have to
make new categories for guys to get in. You know
what I mean, Because if you don't have multiple All Stars,
although you were part of these championship teams, they should
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just now create a Hall of Fame for just nothing
but greatest teams, you know what I'm saying. And then
he'll be in for that or he'll contribute because even
you know, with Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams, situation is
that although they are multiple winners of the sixth Man
of the Year Award, and yes that's you know that,
that that means something they never were all Stars, and
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I think that that gets a little bit, you know,
Dicey in that category of criteria of how to get in.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But also they never played it. They then went to
a finals.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, it's a lot. It's going to it, man, you
know what I mean. The one thing I can say
about JC almost nearly twenty thousand points, I was scratching
the surface. So I mean, you know, it's it gets
there and it's definitely one of those things. U. Speaking
of blue guys, Horace Grant, I feel like he's plug
and play, you know what I mean. He him and
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Rob Men were kind of interchangeable with those Bull squads.
Those bull squads were really good. But I won't take
away from Horris Grant because you know, he was very
you know, valuable, huge piece for those Bulls first repeat
and then also joining the Lakers on the back end
and doing his thing with them. So you know, like
him actually doing the thing, but also being a defensive,
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you know, huge defensive player for those Bulls teams, you
know what I mean, just doing what he had to do,
especially against those very offensive, heavy power forwards.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, he did it in two situations, whether with the
Magic or the Bulls. Like he complimitted Jordan Gray, and
he complimitted a guy like Shaq in a great way,
so that he could compliment your big who was dominating
a pay He could step out to fifteen eighteen feet
and knock down a jumper good enough, he could pass
good enough in that triangle offense to to help you out.
And then he was, like I said, great, great help
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defend the great defender in general, physical guy and like
I I mean, when you do it at that level
in multiple situations, you get that rep for all. He's
a he's a guy you want to have your team
and these teams around the league to start looking for
people like him to fit into that system. Guy who's
like another guy with low maintenance man. He can he
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can pass, you know what I'm saying. He can, he
can score good enough to where you can throw them
the ball in such situations he can he can carry
your offense for short stretches. Horace Grant you you see
him in big moments around around the greats like you
should throw on some of the greatest games of all time,
some of the greatest series of all time. It's a
reason you constantly see a guy like Horace Grant on
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that floor.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah. Absolutely. My question is can you be a glue
and roll guy and be an All Star?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I will say no, But it's there's there's examples of
it happened, Like if your team is dominant enough throughout
that season to the point where oh we gotta we
feel like we got to reward these teams because you
look around, like the voters like, oh, these multiple people
on this team will sacrificeing numbers and we got to
reward them with All Star appearance. Like you look at
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that Hawks team who got four Kyle Corky, Yeah, Kyle
forber tjft Alford. Yeah, it was like four guys who
got yeah, who got All Star appearances with on their
own would never get what they didn't have the numbers,
they would never get an All Star piers, But the
team was so good they feel like they need to
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get rewarded. So I mean, be personally, I don't agree
with it. I think All Star is the best of
the best individual players. It's it's a show, like I
want to see that. I want to see the actual
stars out there on the floor competing and putting on
for the league and the brand. But it happens. Man.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
The reason why I bring it up because I'm bringing
up another player, Rest in peace, Anthony Mason. Mason. Mason,
Anthony Mason, you know his roles to being enforcer, but
he also is the point for you know what I mean.
He had an all around game that people really love.
He's uh, you know, six Man of the Year being
in that situation. So I guess, yes, he's role guy,
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but you know the one time All Star appearance, you
know what I mean. But he knew what he needed
to do for.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Those types of Anthony Mason and you go to guy
like John Starts to both of those are those those
are borderline role guys To me, blue guys they're almost
like best players on the team type because they can
they run off you run offense through them.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
They were That's what said like if your number being
it's kind of tough to be kind of you know,
saying like, ah, man, he's a clue, he's a glue guy.
He's a good fit man. Because blue guys in good
fits are like low key like seventh eighth man, you
know what I mean, like you know and I don't.
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So that might be why they teams weren't good enough
to to win championship because they were they were the
second third best players on the team. If they went
to a team where they would have a team, they
would have been winning. Yeah, yeah, they would have been winning,
all right.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
So maybe like a Tony.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah to both of those are better than Tony Kukoch individually.
I was say, but you think so, I think so.
I think so.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I mean, I think Tony Cook coach was capable of
doing more than what he was supposed to do. But
I think what he was asked to do, especially coming
from you know, Croatia and joining the Bulls and doing
what he did, he was a glue guy and them
in those championship teams before and then after actually you
know the ninety four season when they asked you know
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him to take the shot over Scottie Pippen and yeah,
you know, controversial type of players was with Milwaukee, you know,
he became a solid role guy.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Never like cou coach is tough because I feel like,
do we ever see him in a different system.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
We did, We did, But it wasn't like it didn't
shine well because he dealt with injuries, you know what
I'm saying. So it was like it's time in Milwaukee
and just different, different, different looks.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It just wasn't I think in his prime, when he
was his most athletic, maybe his best self, he was
kind of pigeonhole as that role guy, and.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Year they wouldn't and wasn't gonna let him do more
than what the Big three was doing already.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it's like that. I mean, now, I'm Clazer a
tough example because he's he's a better player. But people,
you can say, what does Clay look like if he
has his own team. We only saw him in his
prime with the Wars as the second to fourth best
player on those teams, So when you match him up
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against some of the best shooting guards of all time,
we just don't get to see how usage Clay for
a long period of time. So it's like you can
extrapolate and try to say what he would look like,
but we don't really know. I think that's the case
with some guys on this list, like they're there at
their best self, they were six men and they weren't
really able to spread their wings and show if they
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could have been more.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I do look at Dale Davis. Yeah, you know,
strong role, strong glue, you know those pacers teams there
identity guys, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's who they were, That's who they were, Like, yeah, strong,
but they're gonna bring the physicality to your team, hold
down the paint. And in the nineties it was a
lot more you dumped it down to the post more
so it was more physically you needed guys like them
to to use foules to guard back to the basket
post players. It's I think some of those road guys,
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like some of those positions have been eliminated in today's
NBA because the game is different. You don't need you
don't need enforces as much. You need more more versatile
skill guys who can, like I said, shoot the balls,
spread the floor. I think what others like, do you
see that? Do you agree? You see ways like a
role player has changed as.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Because the role guys being asked to do way more
than what he probably was supposed to do. Then within
the nineties, a role guy literally in the nine you know,
think about a point guard. Point guard come in, he
gonna run the offense. They just gonna switch the offense
and say, all right, we're gonna go down. If your
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star player was a win, they about to just run
through the through the big in today's game you come
in for said, whoever you shoot the lights out? Yeah,
you could go get forty And I'm not gonna be like,
(23:31):
how y'all got way more free reign to do? You
know where you're like what, who had what? Because guys
take the most advantage of their opportunity. They're not like,
I'm not supposed to do this, I'm not a robot.
In the nineties, I felt like it was a robot
kind of ran system where you're not gonna get too
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comfortable of trying to show off more than what you
can do, you know what I mean. It was kind
of next man up of like all right, well who's
the second saying who can we can run these sets for?
But like now, if you hot, we're gonna keep calling
your number and we going to you until we can't
go to you. And a he was amazing for us
at the post game, like how'd you get forty four? Man?
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My teammates trusted me, you know, they was working hard
for me and I was able to shoot twenty six
shots that I'm never gonna get again, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Like it's a little different, you know what I mean?
You're not looking through.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The box floor. You can play eight ten years in
the league with a very very limited skill set. Just
about being big, strong, physical, being in the right spots,
being smart. I think the case to that you gotta
be a hooper. That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
That's a fact. Derek Harper definitely a role guy. I
don't say he a glue guy because he was way
more important and way used a little bit more because
you know, obviously defense, taking care of the ball, running
the all offense, getting the ball to Ronaldo black Men,
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getting the ball to you know, all the scoring guys.
You know that he played with man even in New York.
You know what I'm saying, he's getting the ball to Ewing,
making sure he's knocking down big shots, like similar to
a Derek Fisher, you know what I'm saying, Like them
dudes gonna get out there, take the charge, get to steal,
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push the fast break, find the right guys and you know,
making and make a name for themselves. They might finish
the game with eleven points, sometimes seventeen if the looks
is there. But definitely Derek Harper being on any type
of team, he's coming in as a glue guy. Fit.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, he's the king of the handshake. He's a He's
a nightmare for other great point guards to see. You know,
it's gonna be a full night of physicality for ninety
four feet. Like you said, he's the traditional point guard
to he running, He's set people up, getting you in
the right spots just to throw back guard all in
all sense of it. So you don't see guys like
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him anymore either.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah. PJ Brown another guy. I mean, obviously he started
early on in his career, but like found his way
moving around. But like guys were like, hey, we need
somebody to like lay people out, you know what I mean.
We need somebody to set good screens. We need somebody
to knock the fifteen foot or down. We need somebody
to just be a tough rebounder.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Like to me, PJ is an example of a glue
guy off the floor too, Like beyond the court, you
knew if you lock the PJ came to your team. Yeah,
he was a he was a vet, and he had
that respect in the locker room from everybody, even though
he wasn't the best player on the team. I know
when he came to Charlotte to play with my pops
like he was. He was the og in there. Even
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around OG's he was an og. Everybody respected them. Oh
so yeah, old soul and he like you don't see
that on the fluster stuff. Fans don't see behind the scenes.
You don't see what the glue guys are doing in
the locker room. And I think he reminds me of
a David west for those those Kevin Durant Warriors team,
Like he was like you know, David Weston. He played
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probably ten to fifteen minutes a night, but in that
locker room where he spoke, everybody listen, everybody listen. He
brought something that Steph Draymond clay Kt didn't bring as
far as veteran leadership. He'd been around seeing it all,
and they needed him to win those chips, even though
he wasn't, like I said, he wasn't one of the
main guys. Yeah, he was a glue guy on the
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bench in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Another guy Uncle Cliff rest in Peace, Cliff Robins, you
know Cliff. You know he had interchangeability, you know what
I'm saying. He could do three four five, He was
skilled and do these things. But obviously playing for us
outside of Portland days. He could be used sparingly on offense.
(27:52):
But like another fit guy, like you go acquire a
Cliff Robinson, you're gonna be like, I know what I'm getting.
You know what I'm saying, You're not getting Cliff Robinson.
Like when I think about all these guys on the list,
if we were to make trades for any of these guys,
are they becoming number one or number two on your team?
(28:14):
And that solidifies if they are glue or role guys
because I traded for them for my team and gets stronger.
I traded for them for my locker room to improve.
I traded for them to get more rebounds. Specialist guys,
guys that are missing pieces.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Cliff Robinson is one of the specific reason like our
front office specifically chose you and went out and saw it,
went after you because we had a deficiency in this
area on our team, and we came and came and
got you. I like, I like you. Bringing up Cliff
in that sense. He was a versatile guy, could play
multiple positions.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Like you look at later in his career how he
was used. It's a hole in the power for it position.
We might have a young guy that really can go,
but Cliff gonna beat him up in practice. You know
I'm saying Cliff might the young fella might get in
fouled trouble. Cliff gotta come in and play eighteen minutes
that he wasn't expected. He probably thought he canna get
a d MP. You know what I mean. Like him
(29:10):
and PJ. Brown are those old school type power forwards
that they're capable. They know what they do best. They
gonna have some free game for the youngsters, and they
know why they was brought in the camp, you know
what I mean, or acquired during the middle of the season,
because those are the guys. That's why PJ. Brown was
a part of those Celtics teams. And you know what
I mean, like because they know what type of guy
(29:33):
that you're getting and them that's the type of glue guys.
The Jeff horn Set said starter. But again, if you
trade for Jeff horn Set, even though he can score
and shoot the three ball, he's most likely probably going
to contribute.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Jeff wanna sac Damn Marley the next guy on our
list to both for.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I think a little bit higher, bro, because thunder.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Dem I don't think either of them. I can't consider
either of them a glue guy. I think they're I
think parts of a team.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, Like they definitely are huge roles.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Their borderline All Stars. Dann Marley was an All Star,
so the bucket.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, you know what I mean, it's kind of hard
to be like, oh, he's a glue guy now because
something glue guy can be a.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You don't want to hear that. If you're a good
enough player like I'm I don't it could be like
a stigma. I don't want to be a good guy
like those two. I don't know, man, Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, if you got a nickname, if you got a nickname,
bro Thunder Damn Bru really especially part of that ninety
three finals team, Like obviously it goes third, third fiddle
because it goes you know, Barkley kJ than him, so.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You know, you kind of it's just the third best
player on the team. I don't that's it, you know
what I mean, Like you're still one of them options
being around.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
For you, you know what I mean. You're doing what
you gotta do. You gotta defend, you gotta play some offense,
your two wight player, you know. But if I trade
for Dan Martin den Marley gonna start yeah, you know
what I mean, Like fact, it's that simple, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's why that's why I'm struggling with him on this list.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Sam Perkins another guy that is another role guy, very
old school, could shoot the three. He picked up the three.
He probably one of the first guys that actually, uh
was kind of letting it fly for his stretch five,
stretch five, hitting the trail three, you know what I mean.
Like he was actually fun, especially in Seattle Fergus.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Even when he was young, he got that old man
YMCA game slow, but he's gonna cook you like he
used but used his position, his body and he played
at his own pace, like he could shoot the ball
good enough. He could give you a couple of spins,
get to a spot, shoot a little floater hook like
this old man games seemed like people had a knight
(31:53):
just were just frustrated with him all night trying to
guard him. Because there's people more athletic playing a buck,
like playing quicker, playing faster than him. But he was
giving you nightmares with his skill set in his body.
Like even like I said, even when he was younger,
he was he was like his game was was developed
beyond his age.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, absolutely, And I mean you know, again, the NBA
kind of hands you that type of role that you
you know, in North Carolina, he was he was actually
he was he was actually you know, really like that.
And then you know, going with the Lakers and the Sonics,
he's actually be used, you know to do other things.
So you know, shout outs to him being very serviceable,
you know, I mean taking two hundred and fifty threes.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Say shot three hundred and sixty three threes in nineteen
ninety six. Yeah, letting them fly, insane, let them fly.
He's probably looks like there's like, this is a unicorn.
What is going? I know Coach was hot at him. Yeah,
he had a bad shooting night. There was like stop
shooting threes. I know it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He's still letting them fly. He didn't care. Ron Harper,
I don't know if he belonged on this list. I mean,
mineus the knee stuff. He might be a roll guy,
key road guy in that situation, but he was primarily
a starter, you know what I mean. Obviously had to
play take a back seat to a Jordan or Shaq
and Kobe would give Ronald Harper his team in Cleveland,
(33:10):
his team and LA when he was a Clipper, Like
you know, grand Like he's.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
On this list because of his his older years. Yeah,
I mean, honestly, he slowed down. He wasn't as as athletic,
like you said, his knee injuries, so he kind of.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
He's technically on this list because the Bulls was just
that damn good. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
that's it, that's it. He playing for Utah, he playing
for one of these other teams, starting alongside some of
these dudes, man, you know what I mean, Like he
just really he really was just.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, the fact that he was able to start late
with a bad knee in the two thousands, he was good.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Mario Ellie blue guy obviously had some big moments in
the finals with the Rockets. But when you trade for
Mario Ellie, you knew what you was gonna get. Obviously
he could be a darker on the team. He definitely
was gonna start, uh, you know, and he just was
one of them dudes, man, But like another plug and
play guy, you know what I mean. Rockets. I like
(34:10):
that Rockets team in general had certain guys that especially
on the wing, the two and the three, and you.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Can't fits your team around around the King. Yeah, you
needed shooting. You need guys who spread the floor because
you knew the King was gonna get to get doubled
on the post, so you needed that was kind of
I mean that that was kind of started at three
and D wave them. And then the Spurs came along
where you had where they had Sean, they would post
Sean Elliott and guys like that, just post him in
(34:38):
the corner and if the ball came to you and
you gotta knock it down at a high clip and
go guard the other end. Because we got like our
offices being ran around biggs who are command a double team.
So we need guys to fix specific roles that could
spread the floor, shoot the ball, and just re versatile
in that sense on the defensive end.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, Sean Elliot. You know, I didn't see Shan Elliott
played for anybody outside of Spurs. He's probably the most
Spurs guy outside of Tim Duncan you know what I mean?
When you see Sean Elliott, Yeah, you know he was effective,
but definitely when the defenders.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I'm a Sean Elliott guy man because he played his
role to a t to a t like just annoying,
just annoying. You hated him unless he was you were
a Spurs fan, Yeah, he was. He was an instigator
on defense. He's gonna be physical, he's gonna play dirty.
But he was posting offense. He would post up in
that corner players role, and it seemed like that ball
found him in the corner. He was knocking it down
(35:36):
every time.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And then and then when he like it was funny
because he played his role so well then and it
was so important to that team. Once he left, they
kept trying to fill that with different people, whether it
was Richard Jefferson later on, whoever it was. They're like,
we play like play like Sean Elliott, you know what
I'm saying. They they got close, but it never really
mashed up to what he was doing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Absolutely, Man. We just went through a great list of players,
a lot of questionable guys that could be roll guys.
A couple of guys could be clue guys. A couple
of guys could just start on any other team. It's
gonna be interesting in citys Fire, but we're gonna take
a quick break and when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, hear god'spot, all right.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I'm interested to hear this one, man, because we went
through a lot of players, a lot of these joints questionable.
I'm really curious to see where you go with this one.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I got a solid five. Okay, everybody, let's go. Let's
go number five. I'm rocking with Sean Elliott. Like I said,
when you win up those amount of championships and you're
that important to that team, you're on my five. Number
four Tony Kuk coach speak for itself. Those those championship
bulls teams number three Big Shot Bob Robert Horry, Number
(37:09):
two Horse Grant, and number one Dennis Robin. I mean
we do it on two different championship teams at that level.
Dennis Robin, like he's the ultimate glue guy, and he
was so good at his role and feeling that that
specific area you need for these teams. Like he became
a star in his role. Like he became a star
as a as a glue guy, which is insane.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I ain't mad at it, man, I'm gonna go number five.
I'm gonna go with PJ. Brown, all right. I like
PJ Brown. It's being used sparingly for that situation and
how he was you know, asked called upon on certain
teams and when they needed him. You know, you go
about it that way. At number four, I'm gonna go, uh,
(37:55):
you know, I'm gonna go Sean Elliott, you know what
I mean, because he he ain't really gets to play
anywhere else, but he let he basically carried his road
like on the sleeve, man, you know what I mean,
really was wrapped up on that. Uh. At three, I'm
gonna go with Horace Grant. You know, hars Grant's, like
I said, the most important part of that Bulls three peat.
(38:19):
But also you know, he went to Orlando, he went
to LA he showed up and did his role, but
also you know on the defense and offensive end. And
then number two, I got Dennis Rodman, you know what
I mean. Dennis Rodman. Obviously most people think he should
probably be number one in that way, but he was
kind of a star to me.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So the only Hall of Famer we talked about today,
by the way, only hall.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Of famer, you know what I mean. But he's he's
just no Tony could coach Hall of Famer too, but
you know, yeah, so but he's uh no, it's all good.
But looking at him in the situation of you know,
Rodman kind of just he separates himself from this, maybe
because it's just he's just cooler. I don't know. Maybe
(39:03):
he was just like he knew his popularity.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I'm gonna let you get to your number one. But
Tony was he kind of got the Hall of Fame
nine for his whole career with the right like not
just NBA wave but international who's too.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, I mean he had game, you know what I mean.
I don't think he kind of took it over the top.
He kind of similar to I mean, was All Star
one year Charlotte, but outside of that, like again the
international game and combined it, it get a little tricky
and dicey in that situation. But I respected and number
(39:38):
one rober worry. I got a reward winners man right place,
right time, big shots all the time, no All Star appearances,
but just wherever he went, he won man. And I
think that's that's not saying that Dennis Robman didn't do that,
but Dennis Robmin had a few scratch offs, and uh,
you know, you only can say that for Robert in Phoenix,
(40:00):
where he didn't win, which he got traded to the
Lakers and they won. Dennis Robin was in San Antonio,
in LA in Dallas where he came up short. He
probably didn't finish the season, you know he and he
just was a star man. So he can't be number
one for me. But I gotta get big shot, you know,
a big shot Bob in there, just because he he
just was that important to most of these teams.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
To tough to argue with those two fives, Like it's
that's that's beauty is in the eye, you know what
I'm saying. Like, it's what I like about both lists though,
is everybody on all ten slots is they got a ring.
It's champions champions only, you know what I'm saying. So,
I mean, winning is the ultimate criteria. This is why
(40:43):
we even discussing a lot of people. While we even
know a lot of people. Some people come into the
league and they're out the league and in order to
build a rep despite you winning the championship or not,
you got to win ball games for you to be rememberable,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Or your impact, you know what I mean when you
think about you, I mean you played for multiple franchises
and you think about guys he said, well, they ain't
win the championship or dang, they haven't been out of
the first round or second round franchise history or.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
And you're like, well, why, it's like all these guys
play hard and they got most of the wins or
you know, they're hard and pride of this different things.
You look at it and you say, all right, that
make a lot of sense, man, because you want people
to look at you that way and just at least
say that you competed. Everybody not gonna be able to
make it to play in June, unfortunately, just because teams
are just really good and players are just you know
(41:30):
that talented.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
It's just their time, man, and you know you got
to be grateful for it. I don't look at people
with fourteen year careers and be like, man, you ain't
do nothing like nah, man, like in itself, you know
what I mean, for you to even be playing ten
plus years, that's an ultimate high respect, you know what
I mean? Like if you asks the high school all
American right now what they want your career, some of
(41:54):
them wouldn't even understand the complexity of how hard it
is to stay in the NBA, you have to loan
the journey that you had.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
So I think I'm gonna through out there about being
a glue guy too. You got to earn the respect
of these these legends. So like you see the Robert
Orry is going for Team the team Horse Grant, whether
it's Dennis rob mean, like before they did it, they
earned the respect of the Jordan's, the Shacks. You know
what I'm saying to be to Oh, I want that
guy on my team. I want to I'm relying on
(42:21):
this guy to help my legacy, help me win the championship,
like when it's only a handful of guys that can
be the best player on a championship team, like realistically,
so it's like, oh, I want I want to put
this guy on my team to help me help me
win because I got to it's a fine limited window
be able to win a championship. And I think Dennis Rocket,
Dennis Rodman can help me do it. I think Robert
(42:42):
Ory can help me do it. You know you know
what I'm getting that like like they got that trust
and the main guys. I know when Steph just like
picking his brain back and it's like seven eight years
ago when they was in the prime and going to
the finals every year. He was looking around the league
guys who it's like, I know i O, Sean lives
Did and Andrea Goadala. I know who they are as
(43:03):
players and people and what they and what they value
and how they can help winning. So I feel like
I can help them, like they're gonna help me and
I'm gonna help they both both our legacies. I'm gonna
go to a different stratosphere because of who they are
as players, and like these guys on our list, they
got the ultimate respect of people all around the league,
even though they might not be the most talented.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I'm pulling for a story here, but you've been in
situations where teams had a chance to pick you up
and pursue you. Yeah, you're very important glue guy in
this league to a point of your specialty of shooting
the three. How does it feel when you know, like
(43:44):
you had some time before you joined the Warriors. Obviously
you went to camp and you had that you know,
you could have easily just said you know what, so
elsewhere even though I had this verbal agreement, you know
what I mean, How does it.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Feel you want to be respected by the fans, obviously,
but there's nothing like being having that respect to your peers.
So it's a reason why I've signed with Dallas three times.
It's a reason why Luca Oh, I want to know.
We shouldn't let him go. I want step back. You
know what I'm saying. It's a reason why Joe, l
and b wanted me to come in and help them,
(44:18):
help them win. You know what I'm saying, because I
brought something to the table. They knew, they knew my
work after they knew what kind of teammate I was,
and that's I mean, I take a lot of pride
of that as well. When I leave a situation that
when that man guy says, damn, we should have kept you.
I don't know why we traded you. You know what
I'm saying, That that means something to me.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yeah, I mean that. I mean it goes a long way,
and I don't know if fans ever digested that way,
but it shows the true value of a team and
the importance of when you look at look down that
bench and you see the reliability. You know what I'm saying,
Like you you reliable? You know what I mean? When
people call your number, you know, hey, I can rely
(44:58):
on this dude to make the big shot. He he's
a great shooter, you know what I mean, Like you
don't rad no smuggle your name. Man, when you really
think about it, when they say hey, man, when you
think about this dude, you know what I mean, Like,
it could have been completely different. Hey, the Warriors are
looking at Seth Curry and it's like, all right, when
the last time he made some shots or you know,
(45:18):
like no, it's an excitement because they know the possibility
of a man in the right shift and the right plays,
the right screens. This dude can go off at any time.
He's very you know what I mean. Like, and that's
just a respect across the board, man, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
So yeah, that's just my case making, just being knocking
down shots of the big situations in the playoffs whatever.
But that could be the case with anybody in different
areas of the game. You know, certain guys are gonna
shy away from the physicality of the playoffs. Like you
look down at the bench, you'd be like, man, oh,
I know he ain't gonna be scared in a game seven.
You know what I'm saying he's gonna be ready to go.
(45:55):
So that's the type of things that front offices man
star players look for around the league, that can fill
out a roster and compliment them in the highest moments.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Absolutely, we're gonna take a quick break, but when we
come back, we're gonna talk about our born in the
Wrong Era player. All right, Dot, I'm gonna kick this off.
(46:28):
Since he started off the five man, my born in
the Wrong Era player probably most likely would be Tony
Kok Coach. I feel like Tony Cook coach would.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Cook in this era.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I think he got the size. He spreads the floor,
he can put it on the ground. I think he
would be even beneficial as a third guy. He's gonna
get paid in this league. He might be an All star,
you know, just our team defend him. He's gonna be
used a little bit differently. I don't know if he
ends up back and you know, if I put him
alongside another player, I think guys are gonna actually use
(47:00):
him better than how he was using the nineties.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
We're on the same waveling. Because I'm going to Robert
Roy for it. You can copy and paste. Everybody around
the league right now is looking for it versatile somebody
sixty six to six' ten who can shoot the, ball
and both of those guys can do. It versatile players
who can guard multiple positions will be. More they would
be considered three N d guys in today's league was
(47:24):
with high skill. Levels SO i, Mean Robert, oi you
can you can plug and play on any team in
the league right.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Now, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i like. That pick. Man all, right,
man you, know we we covered, everything. Man we talked
about the glue. Guys we talked about the road. Guys.
Man we hit on most of the nineties guys that
could have you, know fit this, category, Man And i'm
excited to talk about the next. Topic. Man So, dot
where can they find you on social all?
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