November 6, 2025 • 45 mins
Seth and Tray are joined by Sixers center and 4-time NBA rebounding champion Andre Drummond to discuss the Greatest Rebounders of the 2010's. They talk Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan, Hassan Whiteside and the keys to being a great rebounder in the league. Andre gives away a couple of the secrets that have made him the best at what he does, and they discuss the next generation of rebounders in the NBA. They each give their Top-5 Rebounders of the decade, plus, Andre tells an amazing story about his clutch Offensive Free Throw rebound and tip-in to force OT at the buzzer in Philly.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Go get the rebound.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm like, all right, man, let's do this like man,
like these are the moments that people don't really get
to see or like even understand, like what goes into
it mentally telling yourself you have to get.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
This, you have to you can't not get it, you can't.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Not get this.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I remember, I remember that conversation I had was with
Jared Vanabilt too, and he's next to me and I'm
by myself.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So he's standing next to me. I look at him.
I said, about to disrespect me like this.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
He goes, what you mean, I said, if you don't
bring smiles over here right now, I'm getting this basketball,
I said, okay, So I get down. I look at reach.
I said, miss that to my side. I promise you
I'm getting it. He shoots it, missed it. I get
the ball and I tip it and we get what
over time.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Welcome back to another episode of the Greatest of their era.
Goat what up?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Dot Trey? Another episode. Let's get into.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It, bro.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, man, we got special guest today. Man, good friend,
but also a rebound legend, you know, and he gets
to defend his you know, legacy on the pod. I
think this is going to be a great conversation because
he gets to peel back the layer of what it
takes to be a great rebounder. But before I announced
his name, we just want to talk about a force
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in every sense of the word on and off the court.
A two time NBA All Star, one of the most
dominant rebounders in this generation, Andre Drummond has built the
legacy defined by power, consistency, and heart. Andre Drummer has
won the NBA rebounding title four times twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, and twenty twenty, and it's currently ranked thirty
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fourth all time in total regular season rebounds and accomplished
last night is eleven thousand rebounds. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What's up, y'all?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
What up?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What up? What up?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's good, bro, it's good. I know first hand. Man,
I was played with drum How long do we play together?
A year, year and a half or whatever, But man,
just I know first hand seeing witness is his dominance
on the floor.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Rebounding ability.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
First, obviously you play against him for a while and
you know, you know on the scout report you got
to keep him off the boards on both ends. But
it was a lot of times. I look up at
that score board, I'm like, he just got in the game.
He got eight rebounds already, and my guy still let it.
I saw last look at the look at the box
score last night had ten rebounds and like ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
So he's still doing it the same way. Welcome to
the show, bro.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So I've been knowing Dre since he was nineteen, you know,
up all night on Vine but then come out and
still get twenty boards. Man just just had a knack
for rebounding. One of the best to do it, you know,
just kind of mastering the craft of when the ball
comes off the rim, just a beast and you know
you've you've mastered that part. And uh, you know, I
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would love to discuss today. We're gonna mention some some
great rebounders, but I think you have a case to
be one of the greatest of the twenty ten's era,
don't you agree?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I know it, I know, yeah, sir. What's what's your philosophy?
First of all, get into your head a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
What's your philosophy like when you step on the floor
the rebound, Like if you think it's more about positioning
athletic ability, Like, what's your mindset when you step into
the game and I know you out there, you're trying
to I mean, that's what you do best, obviously racking
up the filling up the statue with rebounds, but you
do a lot of other things. What's your philosophy for
rebound And we step on the floor every night.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So for me, like the Glitsen Glamber of basketball, I
just didn't really care about the scoring, the threes and
all the other stuff too that guys you're doing at
the time. And for me, when I saw who's averaging
the most rhadoun my rookie year with Dwight Howard here,
I was like, twelve six to get back.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Check out I'm right or wrong, but I'm like, damn,
I can do this in my sleep.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was like, if I really focus on what I'm doing,
I can really become one of the best rebounders to
ever played. So from that day forward, I set out
and I was just like, all right, I'm going to
try to get the ball every time it comes off
the rim. I'm gonna try to finish everything that comes
off the rims and really make a name for myself.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, I think it's an IQ piece to it too,
because obviously you got the size you got.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I mean, you really got everything it takes to be
a great rebound.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Obviously your size, you got quick feed hands, but you
got the i Q piece too, especially on the office
e vent like you got good guys who are just
good defensive rebounders, but officer, you got to like know
where to You got to read your who's taking the shot,
where they're taking the shot from, and beat the beat
the person you battle the gains to that to that
side of the floor to get the rebound too.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
It's an IQ piece to that as well.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And I'll show it to you too. So after practice
I would sitting down and watch guys shoot. I didn't
with a lot of my teammates in my career where
I would sit down after practice and watch guys work
on the game and how they shoot and where the
shots come off, which ultimately gives me the advantage of
knowing how hard the shots are coming off when they
take certain shots, of where it's going when they do this.
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So I don't know, like you said, it's the key
part of the game too. Like for me, like somebody,
I'll sit there in my coach, why the hell you're
sitting here watching them. I'm like, don't worry about me.
I'm watching. I'm watching for a reason, or I'll rebound
for them. Just feel like rhythmics come.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Off at Yeah, I did see.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I feel like I saw you do that a couple
of times, and shooting around you would be just hanging
around the run by guy.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
After shooting around, you go through all your work and stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Guys are getting up shots and just trying to get
their rhythm for the game, and you be in the
paint just just swallowing up boys, putting them back up
or kicking them out to guys getting shots up. So
that makes some sense now that I think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
One thing I was thinking about was with the transition
of the game, you know what I mean now being
in the league, you know, for the time that you've
been there, the game changing and watching guys you know,
step away from their craft and try to be more
scores and things of that. I felt like you kind
of stuck to what you did best. And as more
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guys are continued to rebound and I see more bigs
less rebounding, how how how do you approach that situation,
because I still think the key rebounds that you know,
you guys had a great comeback win last night against Washington.
A lot of rebounds were secured in that in that
in that game in order to keep the game in close,
and all those things what keeps you disciplined to say,
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all right, you know what, Yes, I'm capable of adding
other things to my game, but this is going to
be my most successful thing and continue to for like,
basically continue to push forward my my legacy as far
as what I was known for doing.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, for me, I think every team needs a high
level rebounder, and for me, I've made it known that
that's what I will bring to the table, regardless of
other pieces of my game. I would say I can
score in the pocket, and I'm a great passion out
of the pocket too. I haven't worked for the elbow
and do all these other things too, and now adding
the corner three point piece to my game now too.
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But for me, it's always giving teams the no like,
you know what, you put me on the floor, I'm
going to give you ten rebounds whatever minute you put
me in there for.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And I'm going to get offensive rebounds too.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So all right, so you mentioned Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard's
five town five time rebounding champ and was second on
the rebounding list for the decade. His career high fourteen
rebounds per game came in twenty eleven twelve season for
Orlando and was in the middle of a fourteen year
stretch of double digit rebounds. Dwight is number one in
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Orlando Magic's franchise history. Facing Dwight Howard again, you mentioned
this is your rookie year going in. He's the influence.
Tell us what's it like, you know, in the paint,
the belly of the beast, trying to rebound against Dwight Howard.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He's the reason why I started listening. Listen.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'll never forget this day when we played Dwight Howse
I played for the first time. We went to Houston
twenty twelve, and that's when I really felt what like
man's strength was. He was just moving me around, just
pushing me like I couldn't do anything with him. So
from that day four, I was again, I got I
gotta get it him. I gotta I gotta put on
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some mans.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, you came into the league as primed the white too,
where he still had that quickness too, Like he was big, strong,
vertical and he had the quick feet like you.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
So yeah, that's a good matchup.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
A long night from me playing again.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
He I mean, he serves as the typical archetype, you
know what I mean, especially for guys around sixteen seven
to one, you know what I mean that have wise shoulders,
can move their feet. That's the guy that you know
and another guy we talk about it, DeAndre Jordan's right,
DeAndre Jordan, you know what I mean, Uh, six hundred
and fifty three total rebounds in his decade, you know
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what I mean, nine year stretch NBA champion, but also
the top rebounder in Clippers history. Again, he's a franchised
leading guys that have made their own personal marks in
their in their playing careers. What's it like guarding a
DeAndre Jordan in the paint for the last rebound or
critical position?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And what's that so so so similar to me?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
DeAndre is the one that blocks out. He uses his
athleticism to go get the rebounds. So for me, it
was always fun going against him because who's gonna aut
jump oop? Yeah, and he's a little bit taller to
me too, so I would always I always try to
I always try to get him early, and I try
to kill him early.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Go get the ball. But for him, like he if
he the ring, me's dunk.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
In that back.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah. Me watching DeAndre, like the comparison between DeAndre and Dwighte.
Like Dwighte was trying to push you out the way,
trying to carve out of space. DeAndre kind of the opposite.
He would kind of back up and try to like
swim around you defensively for a rebound and try to
create space while like getting off your body, while d White,
like I said, trying to muscle you a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I learned a lot from both of them too, like
in my career just watching him too. That's why I
do a little bit of both. Yeah, yeah, there's a
one playing it. Like if you're smaller than I'm just
gonna out in the way, But if you're bigger than me,
I'm just goinna back up and try.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
To get around you.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I got a question for you. Y'all kind of had
that that little three man rivalry over the decade.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think it says here y'all had y'all won seven
out of ten y'all three one seven out of ten
rebounding titles in the twenty ten era. So like I
know after as a game, you ever checked the status
how many boys they got tonight? Like you was watching
that throughout the years, just to track your progress where
you're at.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I know what the average before I come to the game,
So I'm mass sure the average.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's a great question and perspective because thinking about you know,
most guards, obviously in the NBA, they think about scoring
and your approach about you know, I gotta be in
this conversation, I got it. I got it outduelum, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You know, sacrifice games just to make sure they don't
get it, like I'll block I'll block them out. The
whole game is tired amount to make sure they don't
get there. All right, I'm I'm averaging fourteen right now
reboundsing you got like thirteen something or twelve something. This
might be a game I just said, out and just
make sure you're gonna touch the ball at all, and
I'll just I'll make up for the next game.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
That's the competition. Within the competition, like throughout the cabviously,
the goal is going and win games. But throughout the year,
you got eighty two regular season games. You gotta have
stuff that motivates you throughout the year.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
All Right, This is a I don't know if it's
an easy question or tough question, but what's harder defensive
rebound or offensive rebound?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
For me?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Offensively? Offensive is a little bit easier for me because
now everybody wants to get hit every possession, you know
what I'm saying. So like for me, like I'm banging
into somebody office like while while the players going on,
I'm hitting you when the rebounds going on to hit
you too. So I think I wear people out throughout
the game. And it's becoming like they just give up.
Like bro, like, if you want to get it, you
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got you got it because you're not gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It makes it way more physical. I want to hear
your first I much. I'm we're gonna read your statistics,
but we want to hear your personal uh you know,
case of why you deserve to be wanted to go
to this era. You have seven twenty four rebounds in
the twenty tens. Okay, at your ranked third in this
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in this com in this category. But put some respect
in your name. You one of the greatest rebounds of
this era, and then also as a four time champ
in that eight year stretch, you had a consecutive double
digit rebounds and then also your second all time on
Detroit's rebounding list.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Let me add to that.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
So he came in a little late and that like
so he ever, I think he has the most per game.
So he's third on the list total rebounds, but I
think he has the most per game on the list
in rebounds. So let me just let me uh gash
you up a little bit right there.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, man, that's some teammate love. Man's teammate, team team,
teammate for life.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Now he got me open, So I got shown some love,
you know, absolutely, So, Dre, what's your case for you
to feel the to be the greatest of the twenty tens?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I don't know, man, I think this. I think it's shown.
I think the games that I have the most twenty twenties.
I mean it's not just about rebound it's like, well
I was scoring on top of that too.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, that's another that's another thing I'm throwing there. Like
you got guys who come in and just like I
was talking about this when we did a defensive pot.
It's like guys come in the game who only the
only job is to guard, and when they go on
the offensive van they resting, and so they got all
their energy to pick up full and play defense. And
they're like, oh, he the best defend in the league,
but he only playing one side of the ball. I
don't think that's fair. So you got yourself, who's obviously
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you you folks, you're a great rebounder, but also you
a focal point in the offense.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
You gotta you gotta guard. So it's the levels of this.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
All the respect and love to Dre DeAndre. You know
Robert who I've always had that few online about him too,
like oh he's the best. I'm like, no, I'm not
gonna change the best. I'm better than him. I don't
care what you say, even if he me statistic, I'm
still gonna say better. That's my mental that's how I mentally.
That's what I'm gonna say. So at the end of
the day, yes, I am the best. I'm gonna stand
on that, and I'm gonna keep saying it.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well, I mean, like I said, the good thing about it.
We we on this show, we talk about greatest of
the era. So you know, in different pockets of this,
you know, Dennis Robin respectfully in the nineties. You know,
you think about the two thousands, maybe Dwight and I
like your chances for twenty ten's and then yeah, I
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mean we're gonna go. We're gonna continue to go. But
I mean, right now, you know what I mean, as
far as who has the most twenty rebound games, et cetera.
You know, you make it a strong case for yourself.
And next person we talk about is Kevin Love, one
time rebounding champion seven straight double digit rebounding seasons, with
a high of fifteen point two in the twenty eleven
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twelve season. This is when he was still a member
of the Minnesota Minnesota Timberwolves, just before he got moved
to the East. You know what I mean, K Love?
You know what I mean? And third time he's third
all time in Minnesota rebounding list. Prime K Love? What
was it like battling against a prime K Love?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He was weird, like it like it just was falling.
I feel like he didn't do much for it, It
just would it just was dropping his hand. He was
really good.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He was really good at positioning. Yeah, he was really
good at putting himself in spot like he would do
what's work early. And I also learned that from him too,
So once you get in front of him, Like, he
was really really good at that, getting himself in front
of people and then letting the ball fall wherever it win.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, Okay, Yeah, and his I think a lot. He was,
I mean a monster, maybe the first.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I don't know how many power forward was gonna get
it to, but that's the first power Forward we actually
brought up on the pod as far as being one
of the best rebounders. And he's like to say, he
did his work early, try to fight for position because
he didn't have the same athleticism or maybe even sizes
the other people on this list. But I think his
his rebound was highlighted by his outlet passes too. So
you would see some of his rebound of highlights just
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because he he would throw it full link chest passed
and finish off a play. So that's what I think
about when I say when I hear k Love.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, absolutely all right. Hassan White saw all Yeah, topped
out fourteen point one rebounds per game. And in twenty
sixteen twenty seventeen, during a six year run of double
digit rebounds.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
We still talk about that to this day because we're
on in the same group chat, so he always brings
it up.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I beat you, Yeah, how how is that?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know what I mean? That's obviously being you know,
like the old guys. Sometimes they try to pretend like
they're not buddy buddies with you know, some guys that
they've played against, or you know, make it seem like, uh,
you know, you can't talk to guys like that competitively,
you know, you guys being cool and kind of you know,
going into games or potentially just talking, you know about it.
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How much did y'all communicate that season as far as like,
you know, hey, I'm beating you by this mall this
this margin, or you know, like you can't catch me.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
That was first man. I was I was really mad
that I lost that year. I was I was hot,
and I'm playing myself too.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I just had a lot of games where I just
was and like just myself, I just I think I
missed a few games with the injury too.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So he had a really good year. He had a
really really good year of that year too, so you know,
more power to age, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Now, Whiteside was he had a little shorter run and
the people we talked about like everybody else we've had
a ten twelve year run longevity, but his short run
was was up there. I think it was all all
defensive teams up there and close to the all NBA.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
He was a monster.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
He was getting by six blocks a game.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, And I think that's the thing that's smast underrated
when we talk about those other capabilities of what bigs
do and how they shift the game, you know what
I mean, Like you might as well just get back
on defense. You're not gonna get the rebound in certain cases,
you know what I mean. Or you're not gonna get
to you know. And then people be like, oh they
they why are they on the court?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
They changed different things. Everybody not gonna be a scorer.
And I think fans just look at it. It's completely different.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Because the game the game was promoting scoring and offense.
So like the other stuff that is really important to
the game, Like fans don't understand it, nor can they
process it because it just doesn't make sense to them.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
They can't relate to.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
It, like how how how important is a fifty to
fifty ball super important?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That can change the game, And like there's guys that
get put on the floor just to secure those type
of plays, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So that's not something that goes on Sports Center.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Nobody's talking about that on Instagram or Twitter, like, Oh,
this guy just jove on the floor for a fifty
fifty ball, Like that's super Like nobody's talking about that
knowing that this guy just saved the game or potentially
got to stop.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, that's my or led to a play like I
was on like you guys, I'm it's nice. I can't.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Teams are all over me. I deny me the ball.
They're not gonna let me get a shot. Come off screens,
they switching, but it's a loose ball and the guy
swallow up a rebound or a loose ball and I'm
having to be wide open. It's one of those broken
players that lead to a three, that get you going,
and that changed the momentum of a game. So I think,
I mean, the coaches and players in the league realize it,
but that's not the stuff that the fans really realize.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Let's talk about yeah, absolutely, all right, Nicolai may you
know what I mean? Another name that would may be
a bit of a surprise on this list, but he's
a consistent rebounder over his career, has averaged double digit
rebounds in twelve of his total fifteen seasons. Nice impression,
So you know what I mean. Most of people see
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Vucci on the offensive offensive end, and you know, maybe
sometimes he has high rebounds, sometimes low rebounds. What's it
like battling against a butvic.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I think I think he has so much to focus
on offensively that sometimes like he doesn't really care about
the rebound. But I think when he has those games
for it, he's like super locked in all the way,
like he he'll mess around and get you twenty and fifteen, nine,
twenty Yeah, I got seen him do it twenty twenty nine,
played with the MI Chicago like I've seen twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So he's more than capable.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And it's no surprise that he's averaged, you know, double
digit for twelve of the season total to fifteen years
he's played.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
No, I agree with that he has a big nights
where he just breaks out and puts up Like you said,
thirty and twenty like hen, how you do it?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And then but I also have nights where he gets
six seven rebounds in the night and he's just floating
around the perimeter. So I think that's why people don't
realize think of him mainly as a dominant big and
a paint obviously, know it's his skill level, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I think it's I think it also depends on the
roster that he's a part of and what's needed of him.
So you know, if there's a bunch of guys like
you mentioned Dre, you guys in Chicago, Yah, damar, you
know he's doing mister fourth quarter stuff. You know what
I mean. At that time, it probably wasn't leaning on
him heavy on the offensive end, plus with Zach and
whoever else, you know what I mean when you're thinking
about that, so he probably isn't probably heavily used, and
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he's probably asked to do other things. So that's that's
a whole nother case. This guy, champion, legend, Hall of Famer,
Paul Gasol, you know what I mean, huge moments for
the Lakers, wound up six years of double digit rebounds
during this decade. You know, Paul is another one that's
leaned on for offense mostly, but you know he can
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battle down there. What's it like with uh, you know,
a battle with Paul ga soul especially during those I
think he probably caught the Chicago and the tail end
of the yep.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, Paul was always always good around the rim too.
Wasn't really known for the rebinding aspect. I think this
his fundamental skill set what he was really knowing for.
But again, he's another one of those guys with the ball,
just like he would just be in the right position
at the right time and it was just fall into
his hands.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, he was in that obviously. If you probably makes
some lists maybe in the two thousands era. He also
played with a lot of like double big lineups in
his career, like it was him and another big out
there where he had some help in that paint.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, he might be interchangeable. And that's that's the conversation
we've always asked. Is he a center? Is he a
power forward? You don't know, depending on what team he's on.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Joe Kim Noah, Noah, Oh my dog. May not have
ever led the league at rebounds, but he is considered
above average as a skill for a good portion of
his career, five straight double digit rebounding seasons and narrowly
missing a six in twenty fourteen to fifteen. He is
fourth all time on the Bulls rebounding lists.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, and Joe Kim one of those, Like he didn't
have a never really had a huge offensive role, so
he's like kind of throughout his place. So yeah, play
hardest here, energy on both ends of the floor, clean
up the glass defensively but offensively. His like it seemed
like if he wasn't a rounding a hand off or something,
he wasn't involved in offense, so he was always trying
to carve out space for offensive board, like that's what
he was looking for the entire possession.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, Joe Hart passion, whatever you possibly
can think of, especially when healthy, ready to put his
body on the line, you know what I mean, And
you know it might get ugly.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
You know what's gonna get dirty done there? Joe make
you play.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, he definitely gonna make you play, and he gonna talk.
You're gonna talk that whole time while y'all playing. So
you know, I got a chance to watch a full
season of him in New York. You know, when he
was available, he definitely was talking and doing his thing.
So shout outs to Joe Boogie Cousin, one of the
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Gang's most consistent rebounders throughout the season, top five year
after year, had a seven year stretch of double digit rebounds.
Like y'all bored this decade, Like you got to look
at it, like, I'm pretty sure at the end when
you were having these contract extensions, when you're talking about
All Stars, when you're talking about who was the rebound king,
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a lot of guys were over ten, over ten, over twelve,
and it was you know, again, I'm pretty sure those
negotiations of hey, I beat him out this time, Like
you see what he did, what I did with my minutes.
Talk about matching up with Boogie Cousins during those times,
especially you know with the Kings or the Pelicans.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, playing against Boogie was was crazy because he was
like one of the first few people to set it
off for Bigs that changed the game in terms of
shooting threes, handling the rock, bringing it up the floor.
Got to guard him on the prime of the he
may shoot it three or two and his his uh,
his post work was crazy, Like he had a really
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really good post game too.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I played with Bookie for a year and Sack and
yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I mean he's stuffed every part of the statue, like
he would get five six assists. And obviously back then
in the late early twenty twenty tens, like it was
still a thing to be have a double double for bigs,
Like I don't know if that got away a little
bit recently, but it still meant something to know you
were walking double double.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You can say it, Biggs, shoot, yeah, yeahs now, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Everybody everybody playing the same game.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
That's it, everybody rolling it out. Hey, go ahead, man,
he might tell me run up the floor and go
stand in the corner. So a good.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
This last person we can talk about z Bo Man
Man Bo Mac bow Man produced double digit boards for
his teams. Five of his nine total double digit rebound
seasons came during the decade. Randolph led the league in
offensive rebounds. Again, he had a knack about tipping the
rock using his body and had to jump. We talk
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about awareness. He is second all time behind Mark or So.
Talk about facing Zach Randolph.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, he was different. He was different because he was
like a bully. Yeah, he was a bully, like not
like he is. He is a bully, a huge.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
And he's trying to sneak elbows and that's kind of
the strategy.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I loved it. I never had any b for him,
but I've witnessed what he's done to other people.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
One of those guys that took pride and walking on
the floor, you know you're gonna get a double double
lot of them.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Question they had a good post game.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I want to I want to address this real quick.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And the last two and I don't know if some
people have accused you of doing this, to be honest,
but the last two I might have seen it come intentionally,
like you made a good move, you got a lay up,
you couldn't finish it. You might miss it and get
your own rebound put it back in to add to
the stats. Is uh, you're a part of that. Have
you seen it throughout the league? Like, what's your what's
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your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
You know, don't I don't think guys miss on purpose.
I think it's more so just moving too quick and
it just comes off weird, you know, So you know
it's gonna come where, it's gonna come back off to
it's not more so missing on purpose, more so anticipating
it possibly coming off. So no, I don't miss said.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I'm just saying I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Would that would make that a big of this. I
was gonna say that would make the game a little
bit more interesting if he's if he is missing on purpose,
because again, these are winnable ball games and they really
need these possessions. That would be very interesting.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And where I've seen it, where it does make sense
is say you a guy, you make a move like
you got a little floater of guys in front of you.
It's not like a high percentage shot, but you want
to get it on the rim because you know you
can beat them around and get it back and where
you can catch it back and you know you're gonna
finish an easy layup. So that's where it's kind of
a move that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So you're part of the Detroit team when she was
on the coaching staff and it was a bunch of guys,
you greg a few other bigs. How how important was
Rashid's advice for your career moving forward? You know what
I mean? He had this one claim about power forward
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university or big man university on. You know, if you
stick to what you do best, you get paid in
this league. And I want to say the next season
or that same season you got your max contract with Detroit.
How effective was his advice or just kind of just
like having a tutolage of him, you know, be one
of your big man coaches.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, working along with Shed was was amazing for me,
just mainly because.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I looked up to him as well to just knowing
his body of work and what he's done and you know,
him being a champion and just his grint too. Was
a huge piece of Detroit history and their legacy and
what they're doing for. And that was something I was
trying to embody he as a nineteen twenty year old
guy trying to be you know, the face of a
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team man. He was a huge help for me on
the mental space of like having that type of mentality
of being a dog.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So when moving forward, and obviously you've given advice to
younger guys about you know, potentially going from being an
All star to your role changing, how has I guess
what continued to keep you on a roster as far
as the transition of obviously we talked about how the
(29:04):
game has changed, but your effectiveness to be hey, we
got to sign Andre Drummond every year, like he's that valuable,
you know what I mean. Your minutes might not be
the minutes that you want, But how are you staying
ready and advice anything that anybody's listening to to be like, Okay,
this is what's going to happen as the road of
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being an NBA player.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's a good question. I think the change of the
game has been It's been a lot different for me too,
just in the space that I'm into. I still feel
like I am a starter in this lead obviously, But
for me, it's just staying ready, staying ready, being a
good locker room guy, and really understanding what it's like
to be a veteran player.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's a tough pill to.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Swallow, obviously, you know when you get put, when you
get that little placed on you because you don't expect
it and you don't know when it's coming. So for me,
it was it was hard for me at first. It
was definitely hard because as a competitor, like then, I'm
trying to be out there, I'm trying to hoop me.
I mean, I ain't trying to play no, ten minutes.
I got thirty minutes in me still, you know what
I mean. But not every team needs that, and you
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have to become okay with that and find ways to
still be effective and still and still be be able
to be used on a team. So for me, I
just try to be as effective as I came with
the minutes I get. You know, I still try to
go out there and play as if I'm playing thirty minutes.
But most importantly, I've taken on the roll of looking
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after the younger guys. Everything I've been through, I try
to shed a little bit of light to them too,
And it's starting to become more enjoyable. I'm starting to
enjoy and I'm still playing. I'm still in the NBA,
and it's the best job in the world, So what
the hell can I really complain about?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And I enjoy it. I enjoy I enjoy the new role.
I enjoy what comes with it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You know, having guys that we're six seven years old
watching me play at the peak of my game, ask
me for advice and tell story about what they've seen
when I was playing, you know, at the highest level.
And you know, it's one of those things that give
you a nostalgia. You start to feel good about it, like, damn,
you know I've done pretty, I've done well. I'm still playing.
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You know I'm not out yet, but you know I'm
enjoying the new process.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
No question.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
My last question before we get into our list. In
our top five of the era, you talk about young
guys in the league. Give me a name to us
and young guys in the league right now you think
could be that next dominant big as a rebounder, and
Andre and Ma Drummer Moore, you got like Walker Kessler,
some of those guys in Detroits. Would give me one
or two young big guys who you see dominating as
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far as averaging twelve fifteen rebounds a game.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
My boy Darren in Detroit, you know I would talk
to him a lot too out tell like, bro, you
have a chance to do something special here in Detroit.
I think he can do it if you really put
his mind to it. He has the physical gifts to
be a great rebounder. But you know you got to
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have that uh, the knack for it too and the
one to do it. Because again it's not a sexy
stats so not everybody wants to go team twenty rebounds
because it's not going to be talked about the papers.
If you only had like eight points, you're eighteen. Nobody's
talking about that, like last night at six and ten
and ten minutes. But that's not the paper. It's better
to talk about Tyre said, these guys having thirty plus points.
(32:27):
It's not saying I'm kind of compare it to them.
But the point of making it is rebounding is not
a sexy dat. So when you get over the hump
of not caring and doing what's effected for a team,
you know, there's a lot of guys out there there.
I have a chance to be just as good or
even better than what I was doing. Walter Kesler is
another guy to keep it on on the list. You know,
Darren Kessler, the kid from from Charlotte, uh diabatee.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Oh yeah, moose moose yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Offer he offers a rebound in mart He ain't great
on it on the defensive boards because I play with
the left ball offensively. He wanted the best in the league,
and a lot of people don't even know about him.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
He's gonna find it on the offensive. Who lost my
missing is two more? I know?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I played with Mark Williams last year. He's he got
some good side. He's solid.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's more of a one two in him too. It's like,
if you really want to do you'll do it. Like
it's hard to stay because a lot of these guys
do it sometimes, but not consistently. That's why it's hard
to top five together.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, that's fair, that's good names.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, those are some good names, I mean, but no
one's doing it consistently, Like I haven't seen that yet
in the past couple of years.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
What about Zuba, you know what, he's actually.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Growing on me?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think he I think he's gotten really good rebounding,
not that he was ever bad, but I think it's
he's become.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Far more aggressive with it.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
He's still one of those high highs and low lows,
Like he don't do it every night, like when he's dominated.
He like, man, he's an all star on the good
nights and on the other knights, like don't even really notice.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Them out there before the next night. Yeah, that's a
good point that you guys made. And it's consistency, you
know what I mean. Like you can have a good
three game stretch or four game stretch, but what's up
with sixty five games? You know what I mean? Where
you can kind of total that in and again you
mentioned the grind of actually you know, your body going
through it, your physical matchup, certain things, and you got
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to have a one, you know what I mean? And
if you know, you know, you got your big man
coach coming up to you saying, hey, I need I
need ten from you tonight, you know what I mean.
Like I'm pretty sure again whether the papers or the
box score shows it or not, Dre somebody said, hey man,
you want dispossession right here? What's huge for us when
y'are watching film sessions and certain things like you know,
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in the in the in the in between the lines
and with the with the squad, everybody knows and appreciates
each other because they know what plays got, you know,
the extra shot, the extra possession, the hey we're down six,
you know with thirty nine seconds and most people are
lead and the stands already they don't get it, you
know what I mean, Like y'all gotta believe that, like, hey,
(35:05):
I can get this board for you, but you know,
I may need you to shoot it a little softer
than how it is, or I'm gonna be right there
or hey, I'm a sub bit dre. I know I
ain't plays you all fourth quarter. We need this big
rebound right now.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'll never forget this show. So I think I think
I didn't play the entire four. I think because Joe
usually plays the entire four. So I came out the
end of the third. Joe played the entire force. And
there's a free throw. Possessions the free throw.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I think it was. It was one of it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I remember, yeah, shooting the free throw, and I think
we have I think we're down by one or no, no,
we're about to tie the game down.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
We're down two. I think we're down too. So we
had the mentasity miss the free throw.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Right Dosin is drunk. Let's go. I get to looking
around get the rebound.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I'm like, all right, man, let's do this like man
like these are the moments that people don't really get
to see or like even understand, like what goes into it,
mentally telling.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yourself you have to get this, you have to not
get it, you can't not get this.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I remember, I remember that conversation I had was with
Jared Vanderbilt too, and he's next to me and I'm
by myself, so he's standing next to me.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I look at him. I said, I watch, I want
to disrespect me like this. He goes, what you mean?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I said, if you don't bring smileuse over here right now.
I'm getting this basketball, I said, okay, so I get down.
I look at reach. I said, missed that. To my side,
I promise you I'm getting it. He shoots it, missed it.
I get the ball and I tip it, and.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Over time, I remember because you was like this as
being a professor, like you was kind of hot because
you you might you have some nice where you had
you had a game going, but no matter what, it's
just you know, Joe coming back in the game.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
He gonna play his minutes.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So you had nice where you were going going off,
and if you played twenty five thirty minutes, you're gonna
get twenty. Boys, you had twenty and twenty. But you
had to come out, so you you was running hot,
you were fuming, and Doc had to go back in
go back to you. So you I remember, it's one
of those times where like, oh he really do this,
like that's that's why he out there.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
No, I never felt some disrespect in my life Van
belt Man, but Rose six eight and two twenty. Yeah,
and you're gonna by yourself.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
That was fired.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
That was fired because I mean, I have to make
it about me. But it reminds like it's some of
those games where I wouldn't be in the same position.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
I won't play it. Then we need three, we need
a three, and they looked down to be like step
get in there.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
We need and you gotta go in there. You gotta
knock it down. So it's like and I go in
there and make it like that's like reminds people that's
really what you do. Like you go on, you're gonna
you're gonna get this rebound.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Guess what you do.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's the beauty of specialists. You know what I mean.
We don't throw it around too loose or you know
what I mean, too loosely. But again, specialists exists. That's
why a fourteenth guy, a fifteenth guy, a tenth guy,
eighth guy. It's to stay ready, boys, because you never know.
You could be cold and that might be your audition
for another team. You just don't know. You don't know
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in those type of moments. And again, like I said,
it's not transferable from a fan watching from the You know,
they might say yeah because you make them play, but
again they might look at your stat line at the
end of the game and don't understand. If you didn't
watch the game, you don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
You only have three points. Well, that three points was
the one that mattered.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That was the one that was the one you don't
even understand. That was the one that we really needed. Man,
that's that's a great story. Thank you for sharing that.
We're gonna take a quick break, but when we come back,
we're gonna share the greatest rebounders of the twenty tens.
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All right, dra We're gonna let you go first. We
went through a great list of players. We ranked from
five to one. Let's hear your greatest.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Five greatest five, all right?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
At five we got Zach Randolph, four, we got DeAndre Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Three, Kevin Love to Dwight Howard, and of course number
one myself.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Okay, what you got to try to go next?
Speaker 3 (39:39):
All right? Mine is we got some similar names but
in different order. So at five, k Love, you know
what I mean? Like chauce k Love he had the awareness,
but again he wasn't one of the top guys in
the mix. He was like on the bottom of averaging
double digits in that era. I got Whiteside at four,
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you know what I mean. Three, I got DeAndre Jordan.
Two I got Dwight Howard because this is bad back,
Dwight Howard, and one I got Andre Drummond, our guests.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Okay, let me let me round it out.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Let me round it out. Number five, I got DeAndre Jordan.
He put up the numbers, but like I said, I
mean dominant, great rebounder. But that's kind of raw. He
was thinking about out there.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
He wasn't.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I mean he was, he was guarding blocking shots.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
But so I got him. I got him at five.
Number four, I got Boogie DeMarcus Cousins seeing him first hand.
Number three I got Kevin Love, the only power for
it on my list, because he was I mean, he
did it without he did it from the ground, which
is crazy. Number two Dwight Howard, and one I got
Drum I seen it first hand, man, and he's still
doing it like the rebound per minute from drum I
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saw in Philly and in Brooklyn.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
It was it was fire man. To see it up close.
So that's my guy. I'm gonna go with him number
one twenty tens.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
All right, y'all here man Andre Drummond, the greatest of
the twenty tens. All Right, we're gonna take another break
and we're gonna do our favorite segment, Born in the
wrong parent all right, Dot, we gotta guess this time, Dre.
(41:29):
Feel free to pick yourself if you need to. Is
born in the wrong eral. We just talked about some
great list of players. Which player would be effective in
this current NBA or as well in the past. Yep,
that that still has that game that's very transferable. I
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would like to pick Zach Randolph as my born in
the wrong era guy. I think he is. He reminds
me of an old school nineties power for it. I
think he's physical enough. I think he has the mentality
and he can also still score the ball to be
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a all Star in that era.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yea, I'm gonna go. So you know, I like to
jump out the window with some of my picks, and
I like to pick some of my teammates. I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go Quincy Acy enough. That's a throwback name,
Quincy Acy.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I know Quincy acy. I just seen a clip on
it the other day.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Crazy crazy hops quick, and I think he would have
been a lot He kind of got phase out of
the league because he wasn't really a scorer officer guy
like that. But like if you play in like the
eighties and nineties with in that Dennis Rodman era where
you could really we have a lot more specialists who
just came in to rebound and be physical and be
the enforcer, he would have had a lot longer career
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back back then.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
So that's that's my born in the wrong air, QAC.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, I
gotta thinking about this one.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
See we got a little ads. We think about it beforehand.
I write, I write my stuff down. See that we
put our guests on the spot. You can go with
some of the names we talked about.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
And I'm gonna say DeAndre Jordan would be would be
really good in the eighty ninety era too, because yeah,
you know, he he got to run around, just dunk
the ball, getting rebounds and block shots because nobody can
shooting threes back then.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
So he probably make a feeling being seven forward an athletic.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
That's a good point. That's a good point. He kind
of like those Bill Russell highlights you see, you.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Know, yeah, more defensive minded on air. Yep, that's a
good one. That's a going too all right, fas Day.
That was some great selections. Man, this is a great episode.
I love the you know, the fox and the whole
story bout drum you know what I mean. A lot
of a lot of box working there, man, you know
(43:51):
what I mean for our listeners to learn how to
rebound and and and also you're the new crown, uh
you know, rebound goat on our show. We'll see if
any of these other guys try to here and.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Look, a lot of times guests make the top five,
but I think this might have been the first time
the guests was number one on the list.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Yeah, so we ain't just it s ain't fake.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah that some of them bowl out, some of them
bo out. They don't think they had the statistics to
kind of to have it actually line up how it's
supposed to be. I think you the only person that
had literally the stats to match, you know.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
The claim said you coming on my boy?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
All right, Dre, Where can they find you on social media?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
On Instagram and drumming uh X, I guess the old
Twitter is Andre drummer, TikTok the same thing and drumming Facebook.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Anything that says drummer, you'll find me.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah, y'all know what it is.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
That's Doc Curry everywhere and you can find me on x,
at travn on uh Instagram at Trey go goat oh.
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Go get the rebound.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm like, all right, man, let's do this like man,
like these are the moments that people don't really get
to see or like even understand, like what goes into
it mentally telling yourself you have to get.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
This, you have to you can't not get it, you can't.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Not get this.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I remember, I remember that conversation I had was with
Jared Vanabilt too, and he's next to me and I'm
by myself.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So he's standing next to me. I look at him.
I said, about to disrespect me like this.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
He goes, what you mean, I said, if you don't
bring smiles over here right now, I'm getting this basketball,
I said, okay, So I get down. I look at reach.
I said, miss that to my side. I promise you
I'm getting it. He shoots it, missed it. I get
the ball and I tip it and we get what
over time.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Welcome back to another episode of the Greatest of their era.
Goat what up?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Dot Trey? Another episode. Let's get into.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It, bro.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, man, we got special guest today. Man, good friend,
but also a rebound legend, you know, and he gets
to defend his you know, legacy on the pod. I
think this is going to be a great conversation because
he gets to peel back the layer of what it
takes to be a great rebounder. But before I announced
his name, we just want to talk about a force
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in every sense of the word on and off the court.
A two time NBA All Star, one of the most
dominant rebounders in this generation, Andre Drummond has built the
legacy defined by power, consistency, and heart. Andre Drummer has
won the NBA rebounding title four times twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, and twenty twenty, and it's currently ranked thirty
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fourth all time in total regular season rebounds and accomplished
last night is eleven thousand rebounds. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What's up, y'all?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
What up?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What up? What up?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's good, bro, it's good. I know first hand. Man,
I was played with drum How long do we play together?
A year, year and a half or whatever, But man,
just I know first hand seeing witness is his dominance
on the floor.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Rebounding ability.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
First, obviously you play against him for a while and
you know, you know on the scout report you got
to keep him off the boards on both ends. But
it was a lot of times. I look up at
that score board, I'm like, he just got in the game.
He got eight rebounds already, and my guy still let it.
I saw last look at the look at the box
score last night had ten rebounds and like ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
So he's still doing it the same way. Welcome to
the show, bro.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So I've been knowing Dre since he was nineteen, you know,
up all night on Vine but then come out and
still get twenty boards. Man just just had a knack
for rebounding. One of the best to do it, you know,
just kind of mastering the craft of when the ball
comes off the rim, just a beast and you know
you've you've mastered that part. And uh, you know, I
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would love to discuss today. We're gonna mention some some
great rebounders, but I think you have a case to
be one of the greatest of the twenty ten's era,
don't you agree?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I know it, I know, yeah, sir. What's what's your philosophy?
First of all, get into your head a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
What's your philosophy like when you step on the floor
the rebound, Like if you think it's more about positioning
athletic ability, Like, what's your mindset when you step into
the game and I know you out there, you're trying
to I mean, that's what you do best, obviously racking
up the filling up the statue with rebounds, but you
do a lot of other things. What's your philosophy for
rebound And we step on the floor every night.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So for me, like the Glitsen Glamber of basketball, I
just didn't really care about the scoring, the threes and
all the other stuff too that guys you're doing at
the time. And for me, when I saw who's averaging
the most rhadoun my rookie year with Dwight Howard here,
I was like, twelve six to get back.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Check out I'm right or wrong, but I'm like, damn,
I can do this in my sleep.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was like, if I really focus on what I'm doing,
I can really become one of the best rebounders to
ever played. So from that day forward, I set out
and I was just like, all right, I'm going to
try to get the ball every time it comes off
the rim. I'm gonna try to finish everything that comes
off the rims and really make a name for myself.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, I think it's an IQ piece to it too,
because obviously you got the size you got.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I mean, you really got everything it takes to be
a great rebound.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Obviously your size, you got quick feed hands, but you
got the i Q piece too, especially on the office
e vent like you got good guys who are just
good defensive rebounders, but officer, you got to like know
where to You got to read your who's taking the shot,
where they're taking the shot from, and beat the beat
the person you battle the gains to that to that
side of the floor to get the rebound too.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
It's an IQ piece to that as well.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And I'll show it to you too. So after practice
I would sitting down and watch guys shoot. I didn't
with a lot of my teammates in my career where
I would sit down after practice and watch guys work
on the game and how they shoot and where the
shots come off, which ultimately gives me the advantage of
knowing how hard the shots are coming off when they
take certain shots, of where it's going when they do this.
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So I don't know, like you said, it's the key
part of the game too. Like for me, like somebody,
I'll sit there in my coach, why the hell you're
sitting here watching them. I'm like, don't worry about me.
I'm watching. I'm watching for a reason, or I'll rebound
for them. Just feel like rhythmics come.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Off at Yeah, I did see.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I feel like I saw you do that a couple
of times, and shooting around you would be just hanging
around the run by guy.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
After shooting around, you go through all your work and stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Guys are getting up shots and just trying to get
their rhythm for the game, and you be in the
paint just just swallowing up boys, putting them back up
or kicking them out to guys getting shots up. So
that makes some sense now that I think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
One thing I was thinking about was with the transition
of the game, you know what I mean now being
in the league, you know, for the time that you've
been there, the game changing and watching guys you know,
step away from their craft and try to be more
scores and things of that. I felt like you kind
of stuck to what you did best. And as more
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guys are continued to rebound and I see more bigs
less rebounding, how how how do you approach that situation,
because I still think the key rebounds that you know,
you guys had a great comeback win last night against Washington.
A lot of rebounds were secured in that in that
in that game in order to keep the game in close,
and all those things what keeps you disciplined to say,
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all right, you know what, Yes, I'm capable of adding
other things to my game, but this is going to
be my most successful thing and continue to for like,
basically continue to push forward my my legacy as far
as what I was known for doing.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, for me, I think every team needs a high
level rebounder, and for me, I've made it known that
that's what I will bring to the table, regardless of
other pieces of my game. I would say I can
score in the pocket, and I'm a great passion out
of the pocket too. I haven't worked for the elbow
and do all these other things too, and now adding
the corner three point piece to my game now too.
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But for me, it's always giving teams the no like,
you know what, you put me on the floor, I'm
going to give you ten rebounds whatever minute you put
me in there for.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And I'm going to get offensive rebounds too.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So all right, so you mentioned Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard's
five town five time rebounding champ and was second on
the rebounding list for the decade. His career high fourteen
rebounds per game came in twenty eleven twelve season for
Orlando and was in the middle of a fourteen year
stretch of double digit rebounds. Dwight is number one in
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Orlando Magic's franchise history. Facing Dwight Howard again, you mentioned
this is your rookie year going in. He's the influence.
Tell us what's it like, you know, in the paint,
the belly of the beast, trying to rebound against Dwight Howard.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He's the reason why I started listening. Listen.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'll never forget this day when we played Dwight Howse
I played for the first time. We went to Houston
twenty twelve, and that's when I really felt what like
man's strength was. He was just moving me around, just
pushing me like I couldn't do anything with him. So
from that day four, I was again, I got I
gotta get it him. I gotta I gotta put on
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some mans.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, you came into the league as primed the white too,
where he still had that quickness too, Like he was big, strong,
vertical and he had the quick feet like you.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
So yeah, that's a good matchup.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
A long night from me playing again.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
He I mean, he serves as the typical archetype, you
know what I mean, especially for guys around sixteen seven
to one, you know what I mean that have wise shoulders,
can move their feet. That's the guy that you know
and another guy we talk about it, DeAndre Jordan's right,
DeAndre Jordan, you know what I mean, Uh, six hundred
and fifty three total rebounds in his decade, you know
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what I mean, nine year stretch NBA champion, but also
the top rebounder in Clippers history. Again, he's a franchised
leading guys that have made their own personal marks in
their in their playing careers. What's it like guarding a
DeAndre Jordan in the paint for the last rebound or
critical position?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And what's that so so so similar to me?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
DeAndre is the one that blocks out. He uses his
athleticism to go get the rebounds. So for me, it
was always fun going against him because who's gonna aut
jump oop? Yeah, and he's a little bit taller to
me too, so I would always I always try to
I always try to get him early, and I try
to kill him early.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Go get the ball. But for him, like he if
he the ring, me's dunk.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
In that back.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah. Me watching DeAndre, like the comparison between DeAndre and Dwighte.
Like Dwighte was trying to push you out the way,
trying to carve out of space. DeAndre kind of the opposite.
He would kind of back up and try to like
swim around you defensively for a rebound and try to
create space while like getting off your body, while d White,
like I said, trying to muscle you a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I learned a lot from both of them too, like
in my career just watching him too. That's why I
do a little bit of both. Yeah, yeah, there's a
one playing it. Like if you're smaller than I'm just
gonna out in the way, But if you're bigger than me,
I'm just goinna back up and try.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
To get around you.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I got a question for you. Y'all kind of had
that that little three man rivalry over the decade.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think it says here y'all had y'all won seven
out of ten y'all three one seven out of ten
rebounding titles in the twenty ten era. So like I
know after as a game, you ever checked the status
how many boys they got tonight? Like you was watching
that throughout the years, just to track your progress where
you're at.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I know what the average before I come to the game,
So I'm mass sure the average.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's a great question and perspective because thinking about you know,
most guards, obviously in the NBA, they think about scoring
and your approach about you know, I gotta be in
this conversation, I got it. I got it outduelum, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You know, sacrifice games just to make sure they don't
get it, like I'll block I'll block them out. The
whole game is tired amount to make sure they don't
get there. All right, I'm I'm averaging fourteen right now
reboundsing you got like thirteen something or twelve something. This
might be a game I just said, out and just
make sure you're gonna touch the ball at all, and
I'll just I'll make up for the next game.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
That's the competition. Within the competition, like throughout the cabviously,
the goal is going and win games. But throughout the year,
you got eighty two regular season games. You gotta have
stuff that motivates you throughout the year.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
All Right, This is a I don't know if it's
an easy question or tough question, but what's harder defensive
rebound or offensive rebound?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
For me?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Offensively? Offensive is a little bit easier for me because
now everybody wants to get hit every possession, you know
what I'm saying. So like for me, like I'm banging
into somebody office like while while the players going on,
I'm hitting you when the rebounds going on to hit
you too. So I think I wear people out throughout
the game. And it's becoming like they just give up.
Like bro, like, if you want to get it, you
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got you got it because you're not gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It makes it way more physical. I want to hear
your first I much. I'm we're gonna read your statistics,
but we want to hear your personal uh you know,
case of why you deserve to be wanted to go
to this era. You have seven twenty four rebounds in
the twenty tens. Okay, at your ranked third in this
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in this com in this category. But put some respect
in your name. You one of the greatest rebounds of
this era, and then also as a four time champ
in that eight year stretch, you had a consecutive double
digit rebounds and then also your second all time on
Detroit's rebounding list.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Let me add to that.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
So he came in a little late and that like
so he ever, I think he has the most per game.
So he's third on the list total rebounds, but I
think he has the most per game on the list
in rebounds. So let me just let me uh gash
you up a little bit right there.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, man, that's some teammate love. Man's teammate, team team,
teammate for life.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Now he got me open, So I got shown some love,
you know, absolutely, So, Dre, what's your case for you
to feel the to be the greatest of the twenty tens?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I don't know, man, I think this. I think it's shown.
I think the games that I have the most twenty twenties.
I mean it's not just about rebound it's like, well
I was scoring on top of that too.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, that's another that's another thing I'm throwing there. Like
you got guys who come in and just like I
was talking about this when we did a defensive pot.
It's like guys come in the game who only the
only job is to guard, and when they go on
the offensive van they resting, and so they got all
their energy to pick up full and play defense. And
they're like, oh, he the best defend in the league,
but he only playing one side of the ball. I
don't think that's fair. So you got yourself, who's obviously
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you you folks, you're a great rebounder, but also you
a focal point in the offense.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
You gotta you gotta guard. So it's the levels of this.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
All the respect and love to Dre DeAndre. You know
Robert who I've always had that few online about him too,
like oh he's the best. I'm like, no, I'm not
gonna change the best. I'm better than him. I don't
care what you say, even if he me statistic, I'm
still gonna say better. That's my mental that's how I mentally.
That's what I'm gonna say. So at the end of
the day, yes, I am the best. I'm gonna stand
on that, and I'm gonna keep saying it.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well, I mean, like I said, the good thing about it.
We we on this show, we talk about greatest of
the era. So you know, in different pockets of this,
you know, Dennis Robin respectfully in the nineties. You know,
you think about the two thousands, maybe Dwight and I
like your chances for twenty ten's and then yeah, I
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mean we're gonna go. We're gonna continue to go. But
I mean, right now, you know what I mean, as
far as who has the most twenty rebound games, et cetera.
You know, you make it a strong case for yourself.
And next person we talk about is Kevin Love, one
time rebounding champion seven straight double digit rebounding seasons, with
a high of fifteen point two in the twenty eleven
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twelve season. This is when he was still a member
of the Minnesota Minnesota Timberwolves, just before he got moved
to the East. You know what I mean, K Love?
You know what I mean? And third time he's third
all time in Minnesota rebounding list. Prime K Love? What
was it like battling against a prime K Love?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He was weird, like it like it just was falling.
I feel like he didn't do much for it, It
just would it just was dropping his hand. He was
really good.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He was really good at positioning. Yeah, he was really
good at putting himself in spot like he would do
what's work early. And I also learned that from him too,
So once you get in front of him, Like, he
was really really good at that, getting himself in front
of people and then letting the ball fall wherever it win.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, Okay, Yeah, and his I think a lot. He was,
I mean a monster, maybe the first.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I don't know how many power forward was gonna get
it to, but that's the first power Forward we actually
brought up on the pod as far as being one
of the best rebounders. And he's like to say, he
did his work early, try to fight for position because
he didn't have the same athleticism or maybe even sizes
the other people on this list. But I think his
his rebound was highlighted by his outlet passes too. So
you would see some of his rebound of highlights just
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because he he would throw it full link chest passed
and finish off a play. So that's what I think
about when I say when I hear k Love.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, absolutely all right. Hassan White saw all Yeah, topped
out fourteen point one rebounds per game. And in twenty
sixteen twenty seventeen, during a six year run of double
digit rebounds.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
We still talk about that to this day because we're
on in the same group chat, so he always brings
it up.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I beat you, Yeah, how how is that?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know what I mean? That's obviously being you know,
like the old guys. Sometimes they try to pretend like
they're not buddy buddies with you know, some guys that
they've played against, or you know, make it seem like, uh,
you know, you can't talk to guys like that competitively,
you know, you guys being cool and kind of you know,
going into games or potentially just talking, you know about it.
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How much did y'all communicate that season as far as like,
you know, hey, I'm beating you by this mall this
this margin, or you know, like you can't catch me.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
That was first man. I was I was really mad
that I lost that year. I was I was hot,
and I'm playing myself too.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I just had a lot of games where I just
was and like just myself, I just I think I
missed a few games with the injury too.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So he had a really good year. He had a
really really good year of that year too, so you know,
more power to age, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Now, Whiteside was he had a little shorter run and
the people we talked about like everybody else we've had
a ten twelve year run longevity, but his short run
was was up there. I think it was all all
defensive teams up there and close to the all NBA.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
He was a monster.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
He was getting by six blocks a game.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, And I think that's the thing that's smast underrated
when we talk about those other capabilities of what bigs
do and how they shift the game, you know what
I mean, Like you might as well just get back
on defense. You're not gonna get the rebound in certain cases,
you know what I mean. Or you're not gonna get
to you know. And then people be like, oh they
they why are they on the court?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
They changed different things. Everybody not gonna be a scorer.
And I think fans just look at it. It's completely different.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Because the game the game was promoting scoring and offense.
So like the other stuff that is really important to
the game, Like fans don't understand it, nor can they
process it because it just doesn't make sense to them.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
They can't relate to.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
It, like how how how important is a fifty to
fifty ball super important?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That can change the game, And like there's guys that
get put on the floor just to secure those type
of plays, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So that's not something that goes on Sports Center.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Nobody's talking about that on Instagram or Twitter, like, Oh,
this guy just jove on the floor for a fifty
fifty ball, Like that's super Like nobody's talking about that
knowing that this guy just saved the game or potentially
got to stop.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, that's my or led to a play like I
was on like you guys, I'm it's nice. I can't.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Teams are all over me. I deny me the ball.
They're not gonna let me get a shot. Come off screens,
they switching, but it's a loose ball and the guy
swallow up a rebound or a loose ball and I'm
having to be wide open. It's one of those broken
players that lead to a three, that get you going,
and that changed the momentum of a game. So I think,
I mean, the coaches and players in the league realize it,
but that's not the stuff that the fans really realize.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Let's talk about yeah, absolutely, all right, Nicolai may you
know what I mean? Another name that would may be
a bit of a surprise on this list, but he's
a consistent rebounder over his career, has averaged double digit
rebounds in twelve of his total fifteen seasons. Nice impression,
So you know what I mean. Most of people see
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Vucci on the offensive offensive end, and you know, maybe
sometimes he has high rebounds, sometimes low rebounds. What's it
like battling against a butvic.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I think I think he has so much to focus
on offensively that sometimes like he doesn't really care about
the rebound. But I think when he has those games
for it, he's like super locked in all the way,
like he he'll mess around and get you twenty and fifteen, nine,
twenty Yeah, I got seen him do it twenty twenty nine,
played with the MI Chicago like I've seen twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So he's more than capable.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And it's no surprise that he's averaged, you know, double
digit for twelve of the season total to fifteen years
he's played.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
No, I agree with that he has a big nights
where he just breaks out and puts up Like you said,
thirty and twenty like hen, how you do it?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And then but I also have nights where he gets
six seven rebounds in the night and he's just floating
around the perimeter. So I think that's why people don't
realize think of him mainly as a dominant big and
a paint obviously, know it's his skill level, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I think it's I think it also depends on the
roster that he's a part of and what's needed of him.
So you know, if there's a bunch of guys like
you mentioned Dre, you guys in Chicago, Yah, damar, you
know he's doing mister fourth quarter stuff. You know what
I mean. At that time, it probably wasn't leaning on
him heavy on the offensive end, plus with Zach and
whoever else, you know what I mean when you're thinking
about that, so he probably isn't probably heavily used, and
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he's probably asked to do other things. So that's that's
a whole nother case. This guy, champion, legend, Hall of Famer,
Paul Gasol, you know what I mean, huge moments for
the Lakers, wound up six years of double digit rebounds
during this decade. You know, Paul is another one that's
leaned on for offense mostly, but you know he can
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battle down there. What's it like with uh, you know,
a battle with Paul ga soul especially during those I
think he probably caught the Chicago and the tail end
of the yep.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, Paul was always always good around the rim too.
Wasn't really known for the rebinding aspect. I think this
his fundamental skill set what he was really knowing for.
But again, he's another one of those guys with the ball,
just like he would just be in the right position
at the right time and it was just fall into
his hands.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, he was in that obviously. If you probably makes
some lists maybe in the two thousands era. He also
played with a lot of like double big lineups in
his career, like it was him and another big out
there where he had some help in that paint.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, he might be interchangeable. And that's that's the conversation
we've always asked. Is he a center? Is he a
power forward? You don't know, depending on what team he's on.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Joe Kim Noah, Noah, Oh my dog. May not have
ever led the league at rebounds, but he is considered
above average as a skill for a good portion of
his career, five straight double digit rebounding seasons and narrowly
missing a six in twenty fourteen to fifteen. He is
fourth all time on the Bulls rebounding lists.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, and Joe Kim one of those, Like he didn't
have a never really had a huge offensive role, so
he's like kind of throughout his place. So yeah, play
hardest here, energy on both ends of the floor, clean
up the glass defensively but offensively. His like it seemed
like if he wasn't a rounding a hand off or something,
he wasn't involved in offense, so he was always trying
to carve out space for offensive board, like that's what
he was looking for the entire possession.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, Joe Hart passion, whatever you possibly
can think of, especially when healthy, ready to put his
body on the line, you know what I mean, And
you know it might get ugly.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
You know what's gonna get dirty done there? Joe make
you play.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, he definitely gonna make you play, and he gonna talk.
You're gonna talk that whole time while y'all playing. So
you know, I got a chance to watch a full
season of him in New York. You know, when he
was available, he definitely was talking and doing his thing.
So shout outs to Joe Boogie Cousin, one of the
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Gang's most consistent rebounders throughout the season, top five year
after year, had a seven year stretch of double digit rebounds.
Like y'all bored this decade, Like you got to look
at it, like, I'm pretty sure at the end when
you were having these contract extensions, when you're talking about
All Stars, when you're talking about who was the rebound king,
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a lot of guys were over ten, over ten, over twelve,
and it was you know, again, I'm pretty sure those
negotiations of hey, I beat him out this time, Like
you see what he did, what I did with my minutes.
Talk about matching up with Boogie Cousins during those times,
especially you know with the Kings or the Pelicans.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, playing against Boogie was was crazy because he was
like one of the first few people to set it
off for Bigs that changed the game in terms of
shooting threes, handling the rock, bringing it up the floor.
Got to guard him on the prime of the he
may shoot it three or two and his his uh,
his post work was crazy, Like he had a really
(24:24):
really good post game too.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I played with Bookie for a year and Sack and
yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I mean he's stuffed every part of the statue, like
he would get five six assists. And obviously back then
in the late early twenty twenty tens, like it was
still a thing to be have a double double for bigs,
Like I don't know if that got away a little
bit recently, but it still meant something to know you
were walking double double.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You can say it, Biggs, shoot, yeah, yeahs now, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Everybody everybody playing the same game.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
That's it, everybody rolling it out. Hey, go ahead, man,
he might tell me run up the floor and go
stand in the corner. So a good.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
This last person we can talk about z Bo Man
Man Bo Mac bow Man produced double digit boards for
his teams. Five of his nine total double digit rebound
seasons came during the decade. Randolph led the league in
offensive rebounds. Again, he had a knack about tipping the
rock using his body and had to jump. We talk
(25:28):
about awareness. He is second all time behind Mark or So.
Talk about facing Zach Randolph.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, he was different. He was different because he was
like a bully. Yeah, he was a bully, like not
like he is. He is a bully, a huge.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
And he's trying to sneak elbows and that's kind of
the strategy.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I loved it. I never had any b for him,
but I've witnessed what he's done to other people.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
One of those guys that took pride and walking on
the floor, you know you're gonna get a double double
lot of them.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Question they had a good post game.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I want to I want to address this real quick.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And the last two and I don't know if some
people have accused you of doing this, to be honest,
but the last two I might have seen it come intentionally,
like you made a good move, you got a lay up,
you couldn't finish it. You might miss it and get
your own rebound put it back in to add to
the stats. Is uh, you're a part of that. Have
you seen it throughout the league? Like, what's your what's
(26:29):
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
You know, don't I don't think guys miss on purpose.
I think it's more so just moving too quick and
it just comes off weird, you know, So you know
it's gonna come where, it's gonna come back off to
it's not more so missing on purpose, more so anticipating
it possibly coming off. So no, I don't miss said.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I'm just saying I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Would that would make that a big of this. I
was gonna say that would make the game a little
bit more interesting if he's if he is missing on purpose,
because again, these are winnable ball games and they really
need these possessions. That would be very interesting.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And where I've seen it, where it does make sense
is say you a guy, you make a move like
you got a little floater of guys in front of you.
It's not like a high percentage shot, but you want
to get it on the rim because you know you
can beat them around and get it back and where
you can catch it back and you know you're gonna
finish an easy layup. So that's where it's kind of
a move that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So you're part of the Detroit team when she was
on the coaching staff and it was a bunch of guys,
you greg a few other bigs. How how important was
Rashid's advice for your career moving forward? You know what
I mean? He had this one claim about power forward
(27:49):
university or big man university on. You know, if you
stick to what you do best, you get paid in
this league. And I want to say the next season
or that same season you got your max contract with Detroit.
How effective was his advice or just kind of just
like having a tutolage of him, you know, be one
of your big man coaches.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, working along with Shed was was amazing for me,
just mainly because.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I looked up to him as well to just knowing
his body of work and what he's done and you know,
him being a champion and just his grint too. Was
a huge piece of Detroit history and their legacy and
what they're doing for. And that was something I was
trying to embody he as a nineteen twenty year old
guy trying to be you know, the face of a
(28:33):
team man. He was a huge help for me on
the mental space of like having that type of mentality
of being a dog.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So when moving forward, and obviously you've given advice to
younger guys about you know, potentially going from being an
All star to your role changing, how has I guess
what continued to keep you on a roster as far
as the transition of obviously we talked about how the
(29:04):
game has changed, but your effectiveness to be hey, we
got to sign Andre Drummond every year, like he's that valuable,
you know what I mean. Your minutes might not be
the minutes that you want, But how are you staying
ready and advice anything that anybody's listening to to be like, Okay,
this is what's going to happen as the road of
(29:24):
being an NBA player.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's a good question. I think the change of the
game has been It's been a lot different for me too,
just in the space that I'm into. I still feel
like I am a starter in this lead obviously, But
for me, it's just staying ready, staying ready, being a
good locker room guy, and really understanding what it's like
to be a veteran player.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's a tough pill to.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Swallow, obviously, you know when you get put, when you
get that little placed on you because you don't expect
it and you don't know when it's coming. So for me,
it was it was hard for me at first. It
was definitely hard because as a competitor, like then, I'm
trying to be out there, I'm trying to hoop me.
I mean, I ain't trying to play no, ten minutes.
I got thirty minutes in me still, you know what
I mean. But not every team needs that, and you
(30:09):
have to become okay with that and find ways to
still be effective and still and still be be able
to be used on a team. So for me, I
just try to be as effective as I came with
the minutes I get. You know, I still try to
go out there and play as if I'm playing thirty minutes.
But most importantly, I've taken on the roll of looking
(30:31):
after the younger guys. Everything I've been through, I try
to shed a little bit of light to them too,
And it's starting to become more enjoyable. I'm starting to
enjoy and I'm still playing. I'm still in the NBA,
and it's the best job in the world, So what
the hell can I really complain about?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And I enjoy it. I enjoy I enjoy the new role.
I enjoy what comes with it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You know, having guys that we're six seven years old
watching me play at the peak of my game, ask
me for advice and tell story about what they've seen
when I was playing, you know, at the highest level.
And you know, it's one of those things that give
you a nostalgia. You start to feel good about it, like, damn,
you know I've done pretty, I've done well. I'm still playing.
(31:13):
You know I'm not out yet, but you know I'm
enjoying the new process.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
No question.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
My last question before we get into our list. In
our top five of the era, you talk about young
guys in the league. Give me a name to us
and young guys in the league right now you think
could be that next dominant big as a rebounder, and
Andre and Ma Drummer Moore, you got like Walker Kessler,
some of those guys in Detroits. Would give me one
or two young big guys who you see dominating as
(31:41):
far as averaging twelve fifteen rebounds a game.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
My boy Darren in Detroit, you know I would talk
to him a lot too out tell like, bro, you
have a chance to do something special here in Detroit.
I think he can do it if you really put
his mind to it. He has the physical gifts to
be a great rebounder. But you know you got to
(32:06):
have that uh, the knack for it too and the
one to do it. Because again it's not a sexy
stats so not everybody wants to go team twenty rebounds
because it's not going to be talked about the papers.
If you only had like eight points, you're eighteen. Nobody's
talking about that, like last night at six and ten
and ten minutes. But that's not the paper. It's better
to talk about Tyre said, these guys having thirty plus points.
(32:27):
It's not saying I'm kind of compare it to them.
But the point of making it is rebounding is not
a sexy dat. So when you get over the hump
of not caring and doing what's effected for a team,
you know, there's a lot of guys out there there.
I have a chance to be just as good or
even better than what I was doing. Walter Kesler is
another guy to keep it on on the list. You know,
Darren Kessler, the kid from from Charlotte, uh diabatee.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Oh yeah, moose moose yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Offer he offers a rebound in mart He ain't great
on it on the defensive boards because I play with
the left ball offensively. He wanted the best in the league,
and a lot of people don't even know about him.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
He's gonna find it on the offensive. Who lost my
missing is two more? I know?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I played with Mark Williams last year. He's he got
some good side. He's solid.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's more of a one two in him too. It's like,
if you really want to do you'll do it. Like
it's hard to stay because a lot of these guys
do it sometimes, but not consistently. That's why it's hard
to top five together.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, that's fair, that's good names.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, those are some good names, I mean, but no
one's doing it consistently, Like I haven't seen that yet
in the past couple of years.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
What about Zuba, you know what, he's actually.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Growing on me?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think he I think he's gotten really good rebounding,
not that he was ever bad, but I think it's
he's become.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Far more aggressive with it.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
He's still one of those high highs and low lows,
Like he don't do it every night, like when he's dominated.
He like, man, he's an all star on the good
nights and on the other knights, like don't even really notice.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Them out there before the next night. Yeah, that's a
good point that you guys made. And it's consistency, you
know what I mean. Like you can have a good
three game stretch or four game stretch, but what's up
with sixty five games? You know what I mean? Where
you can kind of total that in and again you
mentioned the grind of actually you know, your body going
through it, your physical matchup, certain things, and you got
(34:21):
to have a one, you know what I mean? And
if you know, you know, you got your big man
coach coming up to you saying, hey, I need I
need ten from you tonight, you know what I mean.
Like I'm pretty sure again whether the papers or the
box score shows it or not, Dre somebody said, hey man,
you want dispossession right here? What's huge for us when
y'are watching film sessions and certain things like you know,
(34:42):
in the in the in the in between the lines
and with the with the squad, everybody knows and appreciates
each other because they know what plays got, you know,
the extra shot, the extra possession, the hey we're down six,
you know with thirty nine seconds and most people are
lead and the stands already they don't get it, you
know what I mean, Like y'all gotta believe that, like, hey,
(35:05):
I can get this board for you, but you know,
I may need you to shoot it a little softer
than how it is, or I'm gonna be right there
or hey, I'm a sub bit dre. I know I
ain't plays you all fourth quarter. We need this big
rebound right now.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'll never forget this show. So I think I think
I didn't play the entire four. I think because Joe
usually plays the entire four. So I came out the
end of the third. Joe played the entire force. And
there's a free throw. Possessions the free throw.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I think it was. It was one of it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I remember, yeah, shooting the free throw, and I think
we have I think we're down by one or no, no,
we're about to tie the game down.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
We're down two. I think we're down too. So we
had the mentasity miss the free throw.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Right Dosin is drunk. Let's go. I get to looking
around get the rebound.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I'm like, all right, man, let's do this like man
like these are the moments that people don't really get
to see or like even understand, like what goes into it,
mentally telling.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yourself you have to get this, you have to not
get it, you can't not get this.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I remember, I remember that conversation I had was with
Jared Vanderbilt too, and he's next to me and I'm
by myself, so he's standing next to me.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I look at him. I said, I watch, I want
to disrespect me like this. He goes, what you mean?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I said, if you don't bring smileuse over here right now.
I'm getting this basketball, I said, okay, so I get down.
I look at reach. I said, missed that. To my side,
I promise you I'm getting it. He shoots it, missed it.
I get the ball and I tip it, and.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Over time, I remember because you was like this as
being a professor, like you was kind of hot because
you you might you have some nice where you had
you had a game going, but no matter what, it's
just you know, Joe coming back in the game.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
He gonna play his minutes.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So you had nice where you were going going off,
and if you played twenty five thirty minutes, you're gonna
get twenty. Boys, you had twenty and twenty. But you
had to come out, so you you was running hot,
you were fuming, and Doc had to go back in
go back to you. So you I remember, it's one
of those times where like, oh he really do this,
like that's that's why he out there.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
No, I never felt some disrespect in my life Van
belt Man, but Rose six eight and two twenty. Yeah,
and you're gonna by yourself.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
That was fired.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
That was fired because I mean, I have to make
it about me. But it reminds like it's some of
those games where I wouldn't be in the same position.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
I won't play it. Then we need three, we need
a three, and they looked down to be like step
get in there.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
We need and you gotta go in there. You gotta
knock it down. So it's like and I go in
there and make it like that's like reminds people that's
really what you do. Like you go on, you're gonna
you're gonna get this rebound.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Guess what you do.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's the beauty of specialists. You know what I mean.
We don't throw it around too loose or you know
what I mean, too loosely. But again, specialists exists. That's
why a fourteenth guy, a fifteenth guy, a tenth guy,
eighth guy. It's to stay ready, boys, because you never know.
You could be cold and that might be your audition
for another team. You just don't know. You don't know
(38:16):
in those type of moments. And again, like I said,
it's not transferable from a fan watching from the You know,
they might say yeah because you make them play, but
again they might look at your stat line at the
end of the game and don't understand. If you didn't
watch the game, you don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
You only have three points. Well, that three points was
the one that mattered.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That was the one that was the one you don't
even understand. That was the one that we really needed. Man,
that's that's a great story. Thank you for sharing that.
We're gonna take a quick break, but when we come back,
we're gonna share the greatest rebounders of the twenty tens.
(39:02):
All right, dra We're gonna let you go first. We
went through a great list of players. We ranked from
five to one. Let's hear your greatest.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Five greatest five, all right?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
At five we got Zach Randolph, four, we got DeAndre Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Three, Kevin Love to Dwight Howard, and of course number
one myself.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Okay, what you got to try to go next?
Speaker 3 (39:39):
All right? Mine is we got some similar names but
in different order. So at five, k Love, you know
what I mean? Like chauce k Love he had the awareness,
but again he wasn't one of the top guys in
the mix. He was like on the bottom of averaging
double digits in that era. I got Whiteside at four,
(40:02):
you know what I mean. Three, I got DeAndre Jordan.
Two I got Dwight Howard because this is bad back,
Dwight Howard, and one I got Andre Drummond, our guests.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Okay, let me let me round it out.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Let me round it out. Number five, I got DeAndre Jordan.
He put up the numbers, but like I said, I
mean dominant, great rebounder. But that's kind of raw. He
was thinking about out there.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
He wasn't.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I mean he was, he was guarding blocking shots.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
But so I got him. I got him at five.
Number four, I got Boogie DeMarcus Cousins seeing him first hand.
Number three I got Kevin Love, the only power for
it on my list, because he was I mean, he
did it without he did it from the ground, which
is crazy. Number two Dwight Howard, and one I got
Drum I seen it first hand, man, and he's still
doing it like the rebound per minute from drum I
(40:52):
saw in Philly and in Brooklyn.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
It was it was fire man. To see it up close.
So that's my guy. I'm gonna go with him number
one twenty tens.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
All right, y'all here man Andre Drummond, the greatest of
the twenty tens. All Right, we're gonna take another break
and we're gonna do our favorite segment, Born in the
wrong parent all right, Dot, we gotta guess this time, Dre.
(41:29):
Feel free to pick yourself if you need to. Is
born in the wrong eral. We just talked about some
great list of players. Which player would be effective in
this current NBA or as well in the past. Yep,
that that still has that game that's very transferable. I
(41:51):
would like to pick Zach Randolph as my born in
the wrong era guy. I think he is. He reminds
me of an old school nineties power for it. I
think he's physical enough. I think he has the mentality
and he can also still score the ball to be
(42:11):
a all Star in that era.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yea, I'm gonna go. So you know, I like to
jump out the window with some of my picks, and
I like to pick some of my teammates. I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go Quincy Acy enough. That's a throwback name,
Quincy Acy.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I know Quincy acy. I just seen a clip on
it the other day.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Crazy crazy hops quick, and I think he would have
been a lot He kind of got phase out of
the league because he wasn't really a scorer officer guy
like that. But like if you play in like the
eighties and nineties with in that Dennis Rodman era where
you could really we have a lot more specialists who
just came in to rebound and be physical and be
the enforcer, he would have had a lot longer career
(42:51):
back back then.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
So that's that's my born in the wrong air, QAC.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, I
gotta thinking about this one.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
See we got a little ads. We think about it beforehand.
I write, I write my stuff down. See that we
put our guests on the spot. You can go with
some of the names we talked about.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
And I'm gonna say DeAndre Jordan would be would be
really good in the eighty ninety era too, because yeah,
you know, he he got to run around, just dunk
the ball, getting rebounds and block shots because nobody can
shooting threes back then.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
So he probably make a feeling being seven forward an athletic.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
That's a good point. That's a good point. He kind
of like those Bill Russell highlights you see, you.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Know, yeah, more defensive minded on air. Yep, that's a
good one. That's a going too all right, fas Day.
That was some great selections. Man, this is a great episode.
I love the you know, the fox and the whole
story bout drum you know what I mean. A lot
of a lot of box working there, man, you know
(43:51):
what I mean for our listeners to learn how to
rebound and and and also you're the new crown, uh
you know, rebound goat on our show. We'll see if
any of these other guys try to here and.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Look, a lot of times guests make the top five,
but I think this might have been the first time
the guests was number one on the list.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Yeah, so we ain't just it s ain't fake.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah that some of them bowl out, some of them
bo out. They don't think they had the statistics to
kind of to have it actually line up how it's
supposed to be. I think you the only person that
had literally the stats to match, you know.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
The claim said you coming on my boy?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
All right, Dre, Where can they find you on social media?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
On Instagram and drumming uh X, I guess the old
Twitter is Andre drummer, TikTok the same thing and drumming Facebook.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Anything that says drummer, you'll find me.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah, y'all know what it is.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
That's Doc Curry everywhere and you can find me on x,
at travn on uh Instagram at Trey go goat oh.
This has been a Unanimous Media original. Go was produced
(45:13):
by iHeart Podcasts and Unanimous Media. It was hosted by
me Travon Edwards and step Kurky. Executive produced by Stephen
Curry and Eric Paton. Co executive producer Klennon Maria Cutting.
The executive producers at iHeart Podcasts are Sean Titone and
Jason English. This series was produced by Derek Jennings and
Peter Tutcher, co producer Kurt Redd. Original music by Jesse Woodard.
(45:38):
Special thanks to Stephen Curry and Will Pearson. God is
a production of Unanimous Media and iHeart Podcasts. For more
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