Greatest Undrafted Players of the 2010's with Quinn Cook

With Seth still sidelined by injury, Quinn Cook joins Tray as co-host to break down the Greatest Undrafted Players of the 2010's, and this topic has a personal touch for Quinn!

The conversation starts with Quinn and Tray breaking down some of the best Undrafted players of the decade like Fred VanVleet, Jeremy Lin and Alex Caruso, but we also get the behind the scenes story of how Quinn himself went from Undrafted to 2-time NBA Champion. Quinn and Tray discuss the incredible connection Quinn shares with Seth Curry as they are both Undrafted stars to come from Duke. They wrap it up with interesting Top-5 lists, and Quinn surprises with his pick for "Born in the Wrong Era!"

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Seth was my teammate, you know, so we went from
playing in college and got in the back court and
in my first NBA game, I was in the back
court with Seth has my first NBA assist. Yeah, what's
the best.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
That's a cool stat.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
That's a flex. That's a plex. That's a plex.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We back with another episode of Goats.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
What's up? Q? See my brother? How you doing? Man?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm good man. We got a fun on this week.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Greatest undrafted players are the twenty tens and you you
might be a little familiar with this, man, I want
to hear man. You know being an undrafted player, Man,
what's it like?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
You know going through that process? You know what I mean? Again,
you want a national championship and you know, things happen,
but just getting prepared in those situations of being battle tested.
How how was that experience?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
That was definitely tough for me being undrafted. I think
for me like going to the MATHA, playing with DC Assault,
going to Okill, playing that Duke like I was always like,
you know, everybody's biggest game. Everybody wanted to outplay me.
But then when you get that undrafted tag, you know
what I'm saying you go from the hunted to the

(01:10):
hunter like literally every single night. And for me, like
looking at guys on contracts, looking at guys who got drafted,
it just you know, it just not put a chip
on my shoulder, but it kind of just gave me
more instantives to keep going. Like I remember get days
in New Orleans, like I would have, you know, a

(01:31):
good practice, but I couldn't get complacent because my contracts
not guaranteed. This guy's or a two year deal and
even though I'm out playing them, he's gonna get more opportunities.
So opened my eyes up to more of the business.
But also it definitely made the journey a little you
know better for me.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Now going through that. And I think you you know,
the listeners can go Google if they have to, you know,
and understand the work that you've done. Can you explain,
you know, being in that position, playing better than a
guy having to sit, you know, getting the reps up,
stand ready and being in that position, what's going through
your head the first time, you know, not navigating through

(02:12):
multiple teams, but the first time you're like, I'm here,
I want to be here. I know I'm better than
that guy. How do I get this playing time? Why me?
All these questions are going through your head, you know
what I mean, how do you navigate through that storm?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah? Well, as a player growing up, you don't understand
the business like you don't understand like this GM, this coach,
this even owner invested this much, this draft pick, and
this guy, so he has to get every opportunity to flourish,
you know what I'm saying. And as an undrafted guy

(02:50):
or even like even I saw, I mean even you
know Trey, like even late second rounds, like they're never
going to get the same opportunity just because they didn't invest.
Like that is what it is. It'd be a little
stuff like you playing pick up in the summertime. You know,
you're playing one on one after you know, a training
camp or anything. Like you're just never gonna get that

(03:12):
opportunity right away. I mean, you're always gonna get the opportunity,
but just right away on whatever team that you end
up with. Like for me, like I went to Cleveland
at first man, that's my guy, you know, Deli, he's
my guy. Obviously he's gonna be on this list today.
But you know he just played in the finals. He
had unbelieva. We're running the finals of twenty fifteen when

(03:33):
Kyrie got hurt, then when I got there. You know,
we're playing ones after practice and like I'm winning, you know,
nine times out of ten. You know, we're playing pick up.
You know, there's different situations like in practice, I feel
like I'm better than him. Well I'm playing better than him,
but you know, they just you know, he just played

(03:54):
with them. And then obviously he was a fan favorite,
so that kind of really opened my eyes to like,
all right, cool, Like it's not always about who's the
better player. It's not always about who you think you
better than. You know, obviously he could be a better
fit even though he doesn't score or distribute the ball
as well as you. He might be a better defender.
He might be just a better role player for the

(04:15):
twelfth or thirteenth man at the time. So there's stuff
that goes into it. So you can't really just put
your you know, energy and effort into like figuring out,
you know, why am I not you know, getting the
same opportunity as the other guy. He just really got
to stay ready to be professional, and you always get
your number call for sure, man.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I appause the resilience because I was the complete opposite.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I remember I was at the time the D League
trials and stuff like this. This they did a national
open trial and I was running with the Los Angeles
Defenders man, and I perfected the trying to go bro
I'm talking about like I couldn't miss, you know what
I mean? And you know I got a chance to
scrimmage against a bunch of guys, and you know, I

(04:59):
end up getting my rights moved to Boise. So I
had to go to Idaho Stampede and I'm in camp
and I remember getting called to the office longest walk
ever and they're like, I'm thinking, I'm about to you know,
the coach of Joel Ableson at that time, he was
one of the assistants, and he's talking to me like, Yo, Edwards,
you're playing really well and this is the thing. And

(05:19):
he tells me about the business of how they're about
to bring in Antoine Walker. And Antoine Walker obviously is
Antoine Walker, but at the time it was to sell tickets.
It was just a whole nother thing that I just
could not accept at my high level.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Way out my thing.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm twenty four to twenty five years old. I think
this is my chance to be at least close to
the league. I put the work in, I didn't cut
any corners, and it was the business side, and I
left the game so bitter that I never returned, you
know what I mean. Like I didn't want to go overseas.
I didn't want to do anything else because I had
did two short stints. I went to Canada, went over here,

(06:04):
you know, trying to do these things. And I think
my agent was like trying to send me to Rush
at the particular time to play B level. It wasn't
even like top tier, you know what I mean, euro
League or anything like that, and I just spent man mentally,
you know what I mean. So I always credit people
that understand and you know what I mean. Like the
hoop life in a long life, it feel like it

(06:26):
because you've been doing it since you count the adolescents
years two. So you're like, how can somebody tell me,
like I ain't nice so I've been playing at all
four years old, or I've been a winner my whole career.
It actually resets once you become a professional because you're
asked to do things that you ain't never done before.
In an uncomfortable situation. Hey, QC, I want you to

(06:48):
play the small ford position. I know your true position
is the point guard, but I want you to cut,
be the drop guy, make the past and you know
I might set you up to not score and look bad,
but you got to be out there. And I think
those are the tough the tough breaks. Man. I walked
away from the game really bad. To the point, you know,

(07:08):
you could you could talk to the j Crowders of
the world, the vander Blues, the Jimmy Butler's, Like at
that time, I was letting those guys in in the
Milwaukee Bucks or practice facility, competing and highly respected at
this point, you know what I mean. But I just
left it so bad.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah. Another thing to that point, it is like nine
times out of ten when you're growing up, think about
your earliest days elementary school, middle school, high school, college,
like your effort and your talent and you're playing like
we'll get you on the court. You know what I'm saying.
When you're at nine years old, if you're practicing hard
and playing hard, you're gonna play you know what I mean.

(07:45):
You get the middle school, same thing, high school and
trying out like same thing, Like there's open competition, Like
you know what I'm saying, when you get to the league,
especially when I got there, like it was a little
bit of an open competition left a little bit, but
like you know, it's it's it's it's a scale. You
got your stars, you got your your your high level starters,

(08:07):
you got your bench guys, you got your role players,
and then you go to the back. You know what
I'm saying. The back is like what they invested in.
That's that's really all it is. You really don't have,
you know, a competition like I remember in Sacramento, you
know that was kind of like my my my saltiness
with Mike Brown was just like man, we want a
championship together. And in Golden State, you know what I'm saying.

(08:30):
I had pushed for him. I was with their g
LE team the year before that, and uh, like the
GM Manti He's like, Yo, what you think about Mike?
What you think about Mike? What you think about Mike.
I'm like, man, I love him like I love him.
I was with him for two years, Like that was
my guy. Blah blah blah. Like in business, I should
have been like a coach Mike. They calling me, I'm

(08:51):
vouching for you. I'm not. I'm not a person who
does things for favorites back, that's just me naturally.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
You just figured like off off of relationship, you know,
and experiencing things of that nature.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
That they brought me back, and he basically told me, like,
look like it's funny. It's funny.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I remember this having a conversation about you.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Know, deadI kind of fits us better, you know, like
Thearon gives us a different look. We got Daveyon, who's
a smaller guard coming off the bench to bring energy,
and then we kind of went that that that savvy role,
I mean, that savvy veteran to come in and maybe
muck things up, play defense. I'm like, I understand, but
they's just compete for it. Like you know what I'm saying,

(09:37):
I want a championship with you. You know you used to
coach him. You know I can do whatever you need
as well. I've won on every level, just like you know,
he won a championship as well. So I just really
wanted to open competition. But when I had got there,
like he was on the second team and the third team,
I was on the team with the two ways, It'll
be me. It'll be me another guy trying to make

(09:58):
a team to two ways, and like a like a
video coordinator, you know what I'm saying. It's like, we're
not We're never gonna you know.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You're not set up for success anyway. It's like it's
like going to open trials in high school and the
team already set, but they have to go through the.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Most exactly exactly yes. And that's how I felt so like,
I just I just wish. I don't know how it
is now. I've been out on the league for three
years now, but you know, I always appreciate that competition.
I always appreciate that, you know, whoever earns their spots
wherever has the best training camp. That's how it was
my rookie year. Jared Cuttingham, he had the best camp

(10:33):
out of everybody in our camp, honestly, like I was second.
But you know he got the spot because he scored
third in the preseason game. He got in with the
starters with Brown. He was a five year VET at
the time, so you know, he earned the spot and
I appreciate it. I left Cleveland. I not happy, but
I'm all right cool. I got work to do. I'm
not on the level that I want to be on,
but I belong So that kind of kept me, you know, going.

(10:55):
But that last stint, you know, that kind of just
you know me camp Bay's more like we always on
the playing kind of like piss because like bro, we
never really got a real chance. So you know, sometimes
the business, you know, the lines for you and lines
the lines against you. But uh, you know it's definitely
good for the stories for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah. Absolutely. All right, let's take a trip down memory lane.
Let's jump into the twenty tens undrafted achievers. Yeah, I
want to start this off with Fred van He's a
twenty nineteen NBA champion, one time All Star, Top three
six Man of the Year, finished second year in twenty eighteen.
And you know, although he's out with an ACL tier
with the Rockets is nine year. Vet has some numbers. Man,

(11:33):
It's a valuable, you know player you know in this league.
Talk about how good Fred van Vliet is.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, me and Fred we've had our battles. Started in
the G League, was the D League at the time.
I'm starting in the D League, got to the pros.
Him sticking with the Raptors, I love how the nine
o five and the Rappers keep their synergy. You know,
like if you're doing well for the nine o five,
they're going to reward you with a ten days, two

(12:02):
ten days, you know, a one year, like he stuck
with it. And I've been down five as one of
the teams that you never wanted to play the D League.
I've member Jerry Stock, I was de head coach my
rookie years, and they had the best team in the
league just defensively, sound like you know, when you get
to the D League, it's like everybody wants to score thirty,
everybody wants to put big numbers up. They took priv

(12:23):
in defense. They were really, really, really good, and once
they got Fred, they kind of took that next step.
So me and Fred had battles, battles battles. I scored
thirty five, he'll score thirty. I scored twenty five, He'll
score twenty five. Like we had a lot of battles, man,
and we always respected each other. Love his game in college,
and once he got to that league, once he got
his his moment, you know, he never looked back, and

(12:45):
then he became an intricate part in that twenty eighteen
twenty nineteen season which ended up winning the championship, and
obviously when Kawhi left, they made their transition to after
you know, Kawhi like he turned himself into an All
Star and as a little guy, as a guy who
plays below the rim. You know, you look at him,
he might not be in the best shape, but he's

(13:06):
picking up full court, he's talking, he's scoring, he's found,
he's doing everything. So I've always appreciated, you know, friend
Van Bleek and obviously turned this up to an All
Star and he'll be you know, an intricate part where
he gets back for the Rockets.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, absolutely, I think my favorite part of Fred And
you know I always every every off season before he
you know, became permanent with the Rockets, I was like,
the Lakers gotta get him. He a paired well with
you know, with Brin because he's almost like a more
Williams type, you know, I mean, catching shoot, don't need
to be on the ball too heavy, and also know

(13:42):
how to defend, you know what I mean. They're gonna
give some effort. Man. He still plays with a lot
of heart. Mister bet on himself, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's what they call him, but one of those players
that may make it in the top five at the
end of this pot. You know what I mean, This
guy right here. I was just talking to Marcus Williams,
you know what I mean, a friend of the show,
about Alex Caruso's right, Caruso twenty twenty twenty twenty five
NBA champion, two time All Defensive selection, And we talked

(14:07):
about how important he played against Caruso in the G
League with Stockton, and he was saying, how good those
dunker spot guys are, the Bruce Browns, you know, the
point guards playing out of position that are able to
make that smart play. But also they're so underappreciated because
if they played on an actual team where they were
asked to do more or actual be the point guard,

(14:30):
people would be raving about him. You know what I mean,
Like they're the most important guys. And you know, I
look at most of those teams specifically, you know what
I mean, the thunder in the Laker team that you
was a part of, how important Caruso was, the mister
fifty to fifty, diving on the ball, making the extra play,
the unstatic things and just energy talk about Alex Caruso

(14:53):
and being his inter You know him in practice during
that Lakers championship team.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, Ac, I have all the respect in the world
for Ac. Caruso is one of those guys who I
always appreciate the evolution of a career. I remember seeing
him in college at A and M. He was a
past first point guard, a defender, and he was super,
super athletic. I don't really remember him scoring, not to
say he didn't. I just didn't remember him for scoring.

(15:22):
But when I played against him in a G league,
he was past first, like twelve assist a game. He'll
dunk on you, he'll get a crazy block. But he
was just a Floyd general. And I always appreciate the
playing against him because like I always played good against
the Lakers, the South Bay Lakers, but like I would

(15:44):
have thirty eight forty, but Ac he'll finish a game
with like sixteen fourteen to eight and just have his
fingerprints all over the game. And I just always appreciated
that because, like I said, when you get to the
G people just think score, score, score score, or just
like how sist or something. You know what I'm saying.
Hove Bowns eighteen and nineteen rebounds something like that. But

(16:05):
he's guarding the best player him. It was him and
GP GP two and the same backcourt, so like that,
those two defensively were nightmares. He'll have fifteen assists and
he will hit like a key shot and you look
up where they got the points, and he got sixteen.
So I'm like, dang. So obviously he got his shot
with the Lakers. He was with that year where he

(16:25):
just got to play free when kind of Lebron shot
it down with the Bruin, so he got to play free.
He got his confidence, and he was one of the
guys that Rob brought back and he would just do
it all, do whatever. You know. It took kind of
guy for us, like he didn't need to score, to
play defense, play that dunker sometimes catch lobs, and then
his confidence got going. His confidence started, and then he

(16:47):
got got to show his splash, his flair with the
ball doing loss Lebron and ad and stuff. And he
was a fan favorite. Like he was a fan favorite
when he when he would check in, I was there.
He had check into the to the game man. The
crowds erupting, he's getting MVP chance, and he never let
it get to his head. He appreciated it, but he
stayed humble and his games got better and better and better.

(17:08):
He was an intricate part in our run and then
obviously five years later he's still doing it. Six years later,
he's still doing it. So the asker part in that Okay,
see team to repeat.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
So now think about that fast forward. He's one of
the oldest guys on that roster, bringing championship leadership, you
know what I mean, and also not being to know
at all, but you know, adding to the value of it,
you know, I mean, he played an intricate part during
that Pacer series for them to get the job done.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Not to remember they put him on Yoki. Yeah, yeah,
game session they put him on Yoki. You know what
I'm saying. That's the type of versatile player he is.
So I respect he got hit ac as all respect.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah. Absolutely. Another guy, Roco Robert coventeon selected All Defensive
Team twenty seventeen and eighteen, has two top eight DePoy finishes,
including top four and twenty sixteen seventeen for the Sixers.
Now you know Roco, you were in Portland with him, right, Yep,
it's my guy. Yeah, Roco is another guy that you know,

(18:12):
he managed to squeeze all eleven years in the league.
But very versatile, right, you know what I mean. I've
seen him play some big I seen him not three.
I seen him be another utility guy like Caruso and
just kind of get in where you fit in explain
you know, the niche and why Robert Covington was able
to you know, play with so you know, be a

(18:34):
part of the four playoff runs that he was.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, Roco is an interesting guy like, you know, do whatever,
stretch for, can guard twos to threes, knock down three
point shooter, just a pros pro. One of the best
teammates I've been around. Just to hear his story coming
from an HBCU Tennessee state. You know, my brother Noah
Smith's the head coach there, and every time I go

(18:57):
back to a game, he's there supporting because he understands
where he comes from and he understands like who he is,
you know to HBCUs and to me and majors and
just the stories to make it. You know, I looked
at him, you know, my whole career kind of like
he's an undrafted guy who you know, turned it to

(19:18):
himself into eleven year VET. You know, made a lot
of money and played a big, big, big time games.
So when I got finally because him and Jeel were
real close, when Jeleel got drafted to the Sixers, they
were like the two closest on the team. So I
always spent time with Roco when I could, just to
pick his brain and always the first in the gym
last to league. And he was like that in Portland
my short stint there. He was always the first in

(19:39):
the gym, last to leave, and it showed why you know,
he turned from going undrafted to eleven year career. So
one of the best guys I've been around too.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I would like to call his group the hard
haad guys. You know what I mean. A lot of
these dudes putting a lot of work, paid their dues,
and you know it's it's paying off man for the
intricate whether they were starters or you know, continue to grow.
And this next person, lou dort ding me another champion,
part of the you know Oklahoma City thunder seven year
NBA VET All Defensive First Team selection, Top four DePoy

(20:09):
and you understand, like if you know the TV didn't
exist in Canada.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Lou Dort.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I mean, if lou Dirt was born in America, he'd
be a football player. I'll say that. I'll say that
all the time. But lou Dort definitely, you know, as
he's stepping it up. Man peaked at seventeen point two
a game. Step his offensive game up. But you know
he's he's one of the most physical people I've seen
on defense since PJ. Tucker and Ronard tests Man. And

(20:36):
you know, you know what type of player lou Dort
is man When he's out there assigned man to an
assignment on the defensive end. You add Alex Caruso and
the other guys on that bench for the Thunder the
caseon Wallace is of the world. They tire you out,
you know what I'm saying. Let's talk about lou Dort
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I did not know he was undrafted.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I had no idea Arizona State.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I remember him at Arizona State, that one of my
boys from here. But I don't remember him going undrafted
because I feel like he had a media impact as
soon as I seen him in the NBA. But obviously
one of the best defenders you know at this generation
if he's being honest, and uh, he's a safety blanket
you know for Okay, see obviously they got to caseon
Wallace and they got a Jayden Williams, but I just

(21:20):
think that he adds that safety blanket for them. So,
uh yeah, he's the first team All NBA guy. Defensively,
you know, he makes timely shots and he just brings
a toughness to a championship team. You know, he's like
Shad's protection. They're both Canadian, but he has that you know,
that offensive fine power as well. So you know, all

(21:41):
the respect for little because I did not know until
I you know, got ready to prep for this episode
that he was drafted.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, man, absolutely, all right, yes sir, Probably one of
my favorite guys. Yeah man, that is height, you know
what I mean. Twenty twenty four to six Men of
the Year, Top five to six Man of the Year
finished in twenty twenty five, five seasons of double digit scoring,
shows up for the Timberwolves every time in the playoffs,

(22:13):
making a big shot doing what he does, you know
what I mean. Thirty seven from deep you know what
I mean, seven year NBA vet now with four hundred
and fifty three games logged. How good is Nasrich. I mean,
the nas Reed stand up is so crazy. You talk
about Caruso getting MVP chance, it's random older elderly people
with nasried tattoos walking around Minnesota. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, he's like he's so unique, Like I feel like
he really can play the play the one through the five,
just with his ball handling skills, with his shooting ability,
with his creativity just coming from I think he's from Jersey, Jersey,
but yeah, you know Jersey players are just so creative. Man,
and just to be that size for him to move

(22:57):
like that. He takes the challenge defensively as well. He
brings a tough it's a Minnesota as well. He's a
great compliment to Aunt and Julius and obviously I think
anywhere in the league had just started. But uh, he
obviously unselfish. He embellished in his role and uh you
know he's flourished and he's become a six man in
the year winner. But also he's just a big time

(23:18):
player and uh you know, to be that hype to
shoot the ball, can trade for others, can create his
own I mean, he's a tough cover every single night.
And the fact that thirty teams passed on him, you know,
on draft night as absurd because he was one of
the best guys coming out of high school. I know
he went to LSU. I don't remember his year at LSU,
but there's no way, you know, a guy at that age,

(23:40):
at that side, for that talent goes undrafted. So I
don't know what happened that day or his his pre
draft step, but it worked out for him.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
So yeah, I mean it worked out. Twenty nineteen is
an interesting year.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Man.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
It was a lot of yeah, interesting picks, but you
know how it goes. Man, you're very familiar with this
guy to time. NBA Champeen twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know five year vet Quinn cook y'all talk about yourself,
you know what I mean? Can you speak directly to
the you know, the notion of maximizing your opportunities on
winning multiple titles? You know what I'm saying, Like you
grow up, you mentioned you won on every single level,
Like when you think about it, you want in high school,
you want in college, you want an NBA thinking about

(24:23):
for one, you know what I'm saying, You and your
dad's relationship with the Lakers and winning a title with
the Lakers. How important just winning your first one? For one?
How did that feel? You feel like a dream? Like
did you just like pinch me moment? Like how does
that even? You know? To process it? You know what
I mean, going from undrafted to finding a home with
Golden State, You know what I mean, playing with Katie,

(24:46):
a childhood friend, and then also you know what I mean,
with with other other other guys. You end up winning
one with your buddy Anthony Davis. Just thinking about that
process and the grind and being a champion. Can't take
that from you. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
It was great. It was great for me, Like it started,
It started off kind of shaky in my eyes. You know,
I thought, you know, being all American at Duke win
a national championship as well, I was supposed to get
drafted where I wanted to. And funny story, like at
that time twenty fifteen, you know, everybody was kind of
doing that draft and stash. So if you wasn't like

(25:23):
in the top forty three forty four picks like nine
times out of tennants is probably going draft and stash.
So some some organizations weren't doing it, but a lot
of them were so you know, I remember, okay, see,
I know.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
When you explained drafting stash Yeah to our listeners.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah. So basically, the Minnesota timber Wolves, they draft Trey
at forty forty eighth pick. All right, Trey, we have
a veteran team. We got sixteen guys you know, on
guaranteed contracts. We're gonna stash you either to a team
that were familiar with overseas you play overseas for the
whole year, or what's oh, STASHU at our G League

(26:01):
team and you know you won't come in training camp.
We can't call you up, but we were not going
to call you up all year. Doesn't matter. You could
average fifty points, you could be the best player in
the G League. We're not going to call you up.
And no other team could call you up because we
have your rights. So basically, it's kind of like you're
stuck to like all right, cool, I'm literally just here.
And that's all the league was doing that year. So,

(26:25):
like I had a couple of teams want to draft
and staff me stash me after like pick forty four,
forty five. But you know, me and my agent told
all the teams like we'd rather just go in drafted
just to pick our situation, give me a great chance
to you know, play in summer league, and then have
an opportunity to compete for a roster spot during training camp.
So you know, I had a lot of teams want

(26:45):
to draft me, but I didn't, you know, want that,
because my agent's like, all right, you know you can
have this fifteen minutes to where you know, you could say,
you know, I got drafted fiftieth in a twenty fifteen draft,
but I'm gonna be here for the next year, or
you go undrafted and we picked your situation and you
were being training camp. So it was a tough, tough decision, man,

(27:07):
because I think that's a that's a cool thing to say,
Like I got drafted fifty fifth in the two thousand
and three draft. I just think that's a flex Like
I don't I don't matter how old you get. But also,
like I told myself, I wanted to be in training camp.
So I ended up going undrafted, but had some great opportunities.
Went to as summer League with OKC in Orlando, played
really well, Simon with Cleveland, went to training camp with Cleveland.

(27:31):
Like I said, earlier, was the last cut before opening night,
and uh, you know, went to the G League, got
MVP that first year. Like bron Cole was living with
Kyrie at the time, so bron Kyrie switched. All of
them was coming down to the games, which was dope,
and uh, it just kind of took off from there. Man.
I got some opportunities with New Orleans the next year,

(27:53):
got my first you know break with Mark Cuban and
at Dallas Mavericks, Seth was my team eight, you know.
So we went from you know, playing in college together
in the back court and then my first NBA game
I was in the back court with Seth. Seth has
my first NBA assist. Yeah, that's a cool stat. That's
a flex. That's a flex. That's a flex. So yeah, man,

(28:15):
And like the first two years now I lived out
of suitcase. Like, you know, I have people wanting to
visit me, my mom's sister. Where you're gonna be at
two weeks from now, I don't know, Like I don't
I literally can get caught up any minutes. So I
got called up from Dallas, got cut, played really well
in Dallas. Rick Carlogne gave me a rare opportunity. New
Orleans signed me for the rest of the year, but

(28:36):
with trigger dates. So I go to New Orleans, played
really well in the season, got first team All Summer
League that year, and they're like, yeah, you're gonna be
in New Orleans. You're gonna You're You're gonna back up
Drew Holliday for the next year. Then Rondo becomes available.
I obviously gott to sign Rondo. I get cut again,
go to Atlanta. By my first apartment, you know, I

(28:58):
thought I was gonna make it. I had trick the days.
My first trigger day started the first day of training camp,
I mean the first day of the season. I make
it to that Friday, my literally my contract is guaranteed
in twenty four hours and uh cut got cut again.
But uh no disrespect to Atlanta, but they were the
worst team in the league, and I got cut by
the worst team. Then I signed the best team literally

(29:19):
the next day. But I was ready, Like I was ready.
I stayed in shape, I got reps in and I
just believed in myself. And then when I got to
go to State, Steve believed in me. I obviously had
Kevin there. I was close with Steph obviously through Seth
at Duke, so me and Steph were real close, played
against Draymond and high I mean, you know, not high
school college. But I had a great raport with those guys,

(29:40):
and Steve gave me opportunity. Obviously, I didn't think Steph
would get hurt like he did that year, but you know,
when he got hurt, he wanted to keep Sean Livingston
with the second unit, so he just you know, if
Steph was was was out, I was the starter, and
when he was there, you know, I was the third string.
But you know, I prepare like I was gonna play.
I'm prepared, you know. I shot with Steph and Clay

(30:04):
every single day, like I was ready for the moment.
And then when when he went down, you know, I
had a couple starts, so I wasn't really myself. And
then Kevin's like playing him like, man, we're gonna find
the ball, like we're the best player. The balls always
gonna find the best players. And once they kind of
just gave me that pep talk. I went off and
I had some thirties. I had twenty five, twenty eights,
and then when Steph got back, you know, Steve had

(30:25):
to keep me in the rotation and I was the
best feeling there. So to win that first championship and
then go to the Lakers, my dad's favorite team two
years later and win a championship with those guys, my
idol lebron won my best friends ad probably the best
you know thing that as a kid, you know, growing
up idolizing basketball could do, you know, win with your

(30:46):
your your dad and your favorite team man and your
favorite players. So that was super super dope, man, and
something that I honestly like, even though I didn't play
as much as I wanted to that year, Like you know,
I wouldn't changing for the world because of relationships that
I you know built, you know, just to just to
say I play for my dad's favorite team. Man, that

(31:07):
was my draft night. So yeah, I'm proud of myself
for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean we're all proud of you. I mean,
looking at it from a perspective, and you mentioned it,
you know, you didn't get your name called in the draft,
but like, think about how many players that don't make
it past that, that don't get a chance to play
in the league, that don't get that opportunity like you
got that driveway moment of starting an NBA Playoffs. Some
people never made it past the first round. You're playing

(31:32):
in the nick of things, trying to you know, figure
it out, the star player. The pressures on you the
fan basis like don't mess up, you know what I mean,
And you're showing up big and you honestly can say, hey,
I contribute to this title. I just wasn't undressed. And
you know my name is just a part of this
is you literally put some sweat equity into that ring.

(31:53):
So you know, congrats to that. You know, you know,
when you when you think about it, like that, all right,
you mentioned it. Next person, he's also my co host,
Seth Curry. He's been playing you know what I mean.
We're in a group chat together. We got a real brotherhood,
you know what I mean, Like we've been locked in.
So it's funny that you guys keep finding each other

(32:14):
in some way, you know what I mean, professionally, friendship wise,
when you really think about it, whether it's Duke, whether
it's Dallas, whether it's the podcast and things of that nature.
Talk about Seth Curry him blazing his own journey, right,
and then talk about how good he is I think
a lot of people. You know, obviously Steph is Steph Man,

(32:34):
Like that's a that's big shoes to you know, to feel.
But Seth has been able to create his own lane,
you know what I mean. Let the NBA in three
point percentage last years, you know what I mean. He
joins his brother and his dad in that, you know,
in that conversation. But let's just talk about what he
brings as a professional, being undrafted and also making a

(32:56):
name for himself.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, well, first the fact that he didn't after it's
crazy again, like what he did his senior year with
no practice, Like he did not practice, Like basketball is
a rhythm sport. Basketball like as much as as much
as people think you can just go out there and

(33:17):
score twenty thirty, Like you need your reps, you need
to come shoot at night, you need your whole you know, routine.
And he literally only did anything during the games. So
to do that at Duke in our schedule, Like, I
don't see how he doesn't get drafted. And also look

(33:39):
at his genetics, like his father is getting his jersey retired,
his brother will get his jersey retired. So how don't
you give you know, they always say the younger one
is going to be the best. So I was gonna
understand how he never got an opportunity right away. But
you know, he went to the d League, did what
he needed to do, and he flourished, Like I remember

(34:01):
when he first you know, flourished in Dallas. He took
off like and he's carved this way everywhere he's gone.
He's contributed to Charlotte, look at his first game and
go to State Philly like, back to Dallas, Portland, like
competing against him. He was, you know, the backup point
in Portland, and I was the backup in Golden State

(34:22):
my second year. Go to State twenty nineteen. So to
go against him, you know for four games and the
playoffs was super, super fun. I was my matchup. So
like we're talking, you know, every dead ball like regarding
each other, I'm like, well, I know I ain't getting
the ball to play. Next play comes down, he said
in the corner of Dame gets to you know, make
it his movie. He's like, yeah, well I ain't getting

(34:44):
Like just to have that report with him, man, it's great,
but to speak to his you know, just career, man,
I just think I'm not surprised just because his talent,
but to do the things that he's done at a
high level. Man, Like, I just I don't see why
anybody could be surprised, man, because he's done it ever
since he hit the scene at Liberty. There is three

(35:05):
years that duke. That's my brother, man, and I'm just
so happy for him. Man. And everybody's like, man, seth,
don't talk quiet.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
When I got a duke, I'm like, man, he don't
stop talking. That's not God.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, I mean, And that was the thing when we
was getting ready to do this pod. A lot of
people is like he talking Like y'all just don't know him,
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah, absolutely all right.
TJ McConnell Top seven six Man of the Year finished
in twenty twenty four, has an extended career eleven year
NBA VET great guy. Man like this dude one of

(35:39):
the most sought after point guards. I think Indiana became
lucky man bringing him in.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
He everywhere he goes. Man, he contributes, He his you know,
giving valuable minutes man and keeping it alive. Man. He's
He's one of the guys that keeps the dribble drive going.
And knock down in three. He shockingly scores in the
paint every single time. I still don't know how he
does it, but he does, you know what I mean.
I think we were having a conversation about Halliburton struggling
to get his shot off in the paint. McConnell comes

(36:06):
in able to get a rebound or put back a
falling lay up, you know what I mean. And he
just absolutely plays, you know, so hard and and and
it's the heart of the Pacers team to me. How
good is TJ McConnell.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, I played him in college. I played him his
first year Arizona. He was a junior. I was a
junior and he had just transferred and from a mid major,
and I didn't know who he was, honestly, you know
what the saying. I think he's year older than me.
But you know, he kicked our ass. He kicked our
He he was the engine, him Aaron Gordon. They had

(36:42):
a really really good team, Rondy Hollin Jefferson, but he
was the best player on the court that night. And
him going undrafted, you know, he had a really good team.
The next year they lost to Wisconsin. Stam Decker hit
a shot might have been a sweet sixteen or a
leadt eight, one of those two. But TJ was the
best to with the best player goes undrafted. Obviously, he's

(37:03):
not going to pass the eye tests, you know, just
because he's he's not the best shooter. He's a below
to rim player as well. But I mean, his heart,
his heart, and once he got to the league he got,
he went to Philly where he got to play, he
got to mess up on the fly with no looking
over the shoulder, and you know, he just got better

(37:25):
and better and better. You know, Philly they appreciate blue
collar players like that, and he's flourished ever since. I
mean there were times last year in the finals where
you know, him and Holliburn were the two best players,
you know, for for Indiana. Man, And I think one
thing about TJ. The bigger the game, the bigger the stage,
the bigger he plays, that's always been him. That's always

(37:46):
been him. And he's my class man, He's my draft class.
So I'm super super, you know, proud that he's still going,
he's still rapping us, man and uh just to have
the career he's had, Man, And every time we see
each other, we alway. He's embraces because we know the journey.
He remember having those talks when we were rookies. We
remember having those talks. We're on our first contracts, and

(38:07):
he just kept going, kept it going, kept it going.
And uh, definitely happy for him, man for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah. Absolutely, this one player right here, man. I mean
he even had Kobe mentioned him. Man, nine year NBA
VET twenty nineteen NBA champion that wound up playing four
hundred and eighty games, literally couched to couch Jeremy in
Akalyn sanity. Yeah, you know what I mean, Those two
weeks felt like two years. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Like I don't know anyone with a magical story like him,

(38:37):
you know what I mean? Like he you know, I
remember he was in high school when I was in
the Bay at Community College, and they were talking about
him so much, right, and I'm like who And they're like, oh, Man,
Like he's nice, da da dah. He's going to you know, Harvard,
you know, he's going I League and he's playing ice
league And I'm like, oh, smart kid out of you know,

(38:58):
pal Alto not doing Paul Alto is rough, you know
what I'm saying. And really getting down, you know what
I mean. I finally took a trip over there. But Man,
Jeremy Land was really like that, and you know, he
was getting some hate.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know, obviously he made he said, he's kind of
saved the next season. Man, even though they have mellow
and he had some injuries and things of that nature.
Guys didn't even know that he was on the team,
you know what I mean. And BD, you know, being
who he is, Man extended his injury a little bit longer. Man,
so so Jeremy can play. Man. And Jeremy took, you know,

(39:33):
quite advantage of that, he said, you know, night and
night out. Think he was staying on Landry Phil's couch
and just taking advantage of the moment. Man, and the
legend grew. Man, And now you know, the greatest Swan
song is the twenty nineteen NBA Championship, you know what
I mean, where you know, all y'all can think about this. Man,
the journey is really rough.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Man.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
You don't know that you get to drink that champagne
at the end of the you know, the end of
the road, you know what I mean, at the end
of the season. So it's always cool man, and you
know thirty at the garden documented and just hearing about
it and the behind the scenes thing and you know
him just making game winning shots and you know, guys
just you know along for the ride. Man. He's one

(40:12):
of those dudes. Man.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, I mean I think there's been times in the
NBA where like you remember, like where you were when
this was going on. Like everybody remembers, let Sandy, everybody remembers,
you know, those two weeks for the like two months,
two years honestly, but uh, you know, playing at the
biggest stage for the Knicks. I remember Kobe ben said,

(40:36):
who who is that? Blah blah blah, and he hung
thirty on the Lakers hitting game winners in Toronto. Definitely
prepared herself into a great career. Playing against him. When
I got to the league, I was starstruck for sure,
just because like me being as the big basketball fan
and he had a big imprint on you know, just
a pivotal point in NBA history to me, and uh,

(41:01):
playing against him in the finals was fun. And then
I got to know play against him in China and
just to see the evolution of him, you know, was
great man. And uh, he's definitely one of the best
players to not never get drafted but carver himself into
NBA history, not just NBA history, but basketball history. You know,
you go, you can't go anywhere in China and Asia,

(41:21):
honestly and not seeing Jeremy Lynn Jersey shirt something. You know,
he's you know this generations. Yeah, I mean I would
say so yeah, you man facts, so uh yeah, yeah, definitely,
you know all love to Jay Lamb for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, all right, Finny Smith, So you know what I mean.
Currently ten year vet playing for the Rockets, three and
d guys over six hundred games, play participated in the
you know, the playoff runs with the MAVs and the
Nets and you know Lakers most recently talk about how
how good Doe is you know what I mean, what
he adds to, you know, teams when he's playing on

(41:59):
those teams, and how effective he is, you know what
I mean, went healthy.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Ddo's another guy like cub, like you know, utility guy,
you know, can guard went through five, can hit the
open shot, and he plays big, especially in playoff series.
I was with him in Dallas when he was just
hitting stride. He got paid the next summer. But like
another guy just worked hard. He's been like that his
whole life. I remember when he first hit the scene

(42:25):
with Boo Williams. He he coming from the seventy five
seven area. Everybody kept talking about Dot Man. It's kid Dodo,
this kid Dodo, this Kiddodo. When we finally played them,
you understood why he had everybody talking about them. Man,
So he's my class with the betech and t the self.
You know, it's his tenth year in the league. So
so happy about him. But one thing about him, Man

(42:46):
and DNA tell Seth to te you like and everybody
says it, but like as good as a player he is,
like he's a better teammate and better person. Like I
remember he was like he could stay at my house.
You know I could. I could have stayed at Set's house.
I could have stayed at West Wesley Matthews. I was
obviously another undrafted guy not in this error. But and
Donta I was like, man, come on, like here, come
get me from the hotel. We'll go get shots up

(43:07):
them stuff. Just slow stuff like that. Man, anytime we
see each other now, Man, big hug twenty second hug Man.
Just we're so proud of each other. We remember being
sixteen years old talking about this like he was one
of those guys. But I'm going to the league, like
I'm going to the league. I'm doing this and now
I'm gonna get my mom blah blah blah, and you
know what I'm saying. And he ain't just talk about it.
He went and go did it. So all of adult

(43:29):
ot for sure my guy.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, absolutely, we're gonna take a quick break, but when
we come back, we're gonna discuss our top five greatest
undrafted players in the all right, you see, man, let

(43:52):
us hear you're five. Man, I mean you can add
yourself to don't be back, you know what I mean.
But I but I definitely am curious to see who
makes your undrafted twenty ten top five.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah. At the five, I'm gonna go Damian Lee NBA Champion.
I don't know how many years. I think he might
got eight years, nine years in the league. But me
and my brother man, my mom and his mom are
literally best friends. They do everything together. So my AAU
teammate and he was my Santa Cruz Warrior teammate. I

(44:23):
was on a two wheel of Golden State and he
was there and he got his first call up to Atlanta.
So I remember, you know, he was my teammate. I'm
I'm I'm passing them threes on the break on Thursday,
and then the next week, the next Thursday, I'm guarding them.
I'm just with Golden State and he's with the Hawks.
So I'm pretty pretty dope experience, man. And uh, like

(44:44):
I played on two AAU teams with him, and like
he never really got in the game like like like
he should have. But he always worked. He always you know,
was locked into winning. He like never like was jealous,
Like he just always worked, work, work, work, worked as teammate,
and but he's always like you know, when somebody you
know accomplishes things in their career, like you know, Dame

(45:07):
is gonna show you love. He's gonna call you, he's
gonna text you, he's gonna post. You know, nowadays you
gotta gotta post everybody's achievements and stuff. But like Dame
was always that guy who's always you know, everybody's you know,
biggest fan. Man. I always appreciated that. And then you know,
he got what he deserved, he got what he worked
for after you know, some serious injuries, man, like he
has some serious injuries before he really got his big

(45:27):
break and uh, you know he's an NBA champion. So
I will have Dame at my five. I will go
nas Read at four. Like I said, this is talent
man alone. What he means to the timber Woolves going
to back to back Western Conference finals, like you know,
he's won, He's won a major award, which you know

(45:52):
I definitely appreciate. At three, I'm gonna go Seth. I
just think that, you know, being who he is man,
he's had a target on his back his entire life,
but he's embraced it. He's as competitive as anybody your see.
And just to see his the evolution of sets game,
Like I remember when I first got the duke, like

(46:12):
I was hurt, you know, so like instead of me
starting at the point, Seth started the point like which
I didn't know he could do. But he was our
point literally that entire year. And then the next year
he became my best scorer. You know, we had one
of the best players, Mason Plumble. I was the true
point guard and we just need to set a score.
And then he took that to the league and he

(46:33):
became you know not just a great shooter, but he
could score at any level man, And he doesn't get
the credit he deserves for his handle, his shot, you know,
creating ability, just everything. And he's still going and he
has records in the record book. So I'm gonna go
Set at three. I'm gonna go Fred at two. I'm
gonna go Fred Van Vlei at too. He's an NBA champion,

(46:56):
He's an NBA All Star, you know, undrafted from you know,
I wouldn't say Whichita State is a mid major anymore
because Fred and those guys Ron Baker clant early. That
kind of turned it into a high measure now. But
at the time, you know, they went to the final four,
Like you know, Wichita State was was something to deal with.
And then he got to the league undrafted, was stuck

(47:17):
with Toronto through the G League and you know, won
a championship, became an All Star and now you know,
Houston was one of the best teams in the league
last year. I mean, he made a go So I
would go Fred in two and then uh, I gotta
go a C one. Man. I just I just think
man to be a two time champion. His story, you know,

(47:40):
just you know we all have stories, man, but just
to come from like being a two way and then
being an intricate part on the Lakers with Lebron, you
know what I'm saying, Like, I think that means a lot.
He was probably you know before Avery, when Avery left,
he became our best perimeter defender. Him and Casey p
so A. C's guarding the Jimmy Butler's, he's guarded the

(48:02):
Jamal Murray. He's guarding the Dames and the Russes and
James Harden's. Like, so just to do that and then
go to ok C and uh, you know, I think
OKAYC can be a dynasty and U as soon as
they made that a C trade, you know, they won
a championship. And he's guarded Yokic and he's guarden you know,
Tyre's Hayler Burton. I mean, he's literally guarding everybody, man,

(48:25):
and you know it's my teammates.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
So I go a C one all right, at five, man,
I'm gonna go with Ish Smith.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Wow, great, great, great Smith, great pol You.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Know what I'm saying. It's just he's really like that,
you know what I mean, He's one of the you know,
he's a guy that comes in and does what he
needs to do, and you know he was able to
win the title as well towards the tail end of
his career. At four, I'm gonna go with Seth Curry.
You know what I mean. I rock with the bro
definitely cooking up, you know what I'm saying, doing his

(48:56):
thing still, but just you know, has probably the most
longevity guy on this list, you know what I mean
when you think about it, ex played the most when
you think about it, the next person I would go.
At three, I would go with Alex Caruso, just as
you know how effective and important he is to you know,

(49:19):
a championship DNA. If you want to win a title,
you go get Alex Caruso, or you go get a
player like Alex Carusso. Because if you don't have an
Alex Carusso on your team to get fifty to fifty balls,
to ask to you know, to rebound, to get over
eight rebounds as a point guard, to play the dunker spot,
to you know, defend, to do all those things, you're

(49:39):
not going to probably win the title. At two, I
got Fred Van Vliet All Star. You know, mister undrafted,
mister bett on yourself, did what he needed to do,
and at one I gotta go with Lynn Sanity. Man,
the run is just just too crazy, dude, when you
really think about it. He had Kim Kardashian trying to
date em. You feel me like won a title and

(50:00):
and the story is just so strong man, you know.
So that's my five. Man. I really, uh, you know,
could have swapped it out at any point, you know
what I mean, So I think about it that way,
But that was, you know, with with the facts that
we have, That's why I had to run.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
That's the one thing with these lists, they can go anyway, Like, yeah,
you could put any guy that we talked about, even
the guys that you know, we might not have brought up,
Like they've done enough. They have enough equity, you know
what I'm saying. And the lead to where you know
it can make sense for sure. So that's a good
lesson as well.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
All Right, we're gonna take one more break and when
we come back, we're gonna do our favorite segment. All right.
You see, man, I really loved your five.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You know, you could have went either way. Man, you
show some love to the bro. I definitely was gonna
throw you on there. You know what I mean that far.
I ain't gonna I ain't gonna pander man.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I'm gonna let you cook it Smith over me for sure.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
So there's a lot of people on this list, man,
that could have went you know what I mean, could
have been mentioned. So where born in the wrong era?
I'm gonna kick things off. Since you kicked off the five,
I'm going to say the player that was born in
the wrong era has to be for me? Uh man.
And I'm really thinking about it right now at this moment.

(51:29):
Probably Jonathan Simmons, you know what I mean. I thought
Jonathan Simmons. You know, he was booming on people. You know,
he was getting to you know. I feel like he
would be effective in the open court. I think he
would be able to benefit from this style of play.
I mean, obviously he debuted with the Spurs. If he
lands somewhere else, I think he really cooks man.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, facts, facts, facts. I love Jonathan Simmons. Man. Obviously,
all the drafted guys who are a little bit older
than me, I just studied them. I literally watched every move,
what agent they signed with, what they do in the
off season, what's like their trick or trade to keep
making teams. Man, he was one of the guys. I

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remember when I first played against him. I talked to
him just before, like I introduced myself, and then I
kind of just like, bro, like what happened in Philly,
what happened in san Antonia? Like how do you keep
you know what I'm saying, you know, getting a job.
And he just man first in the gym last league,
being a sponge and just being just just low maintenance,

(52:33):
Like you gotta be a low maintenance man, like already
getting you know, all the requests and all the diva
stuff from some of the stars. Man, so you got
to be a sponge. You gotta be as low maintenance
as possible. So to hear that from him meant a
lot to me. So all loved Jonna Simmons for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
All right, you see it should turn to share.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I would say the guy I was born in the
wrong era, you know, for undrafted twenty ten guys, I
would say, lou Dort. You know, my trainers, my OG's,
my uncle's always talking about how physical the aids and
the nineties were, So I mean, I think lou Dort
is probably our most physical player. Right now. I proude

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of Dramond. He's always getting into it. I mean, he
got into it with the rookie figures last night. You
know what I'm saying. He had him up after the
game was over. So, Lou, he's a tough player. I
don't think he's dirty. I just think, you know, he
he plays tough man, and sometimes they can come come
across as being dirty. So I would love to see
Lou Dirt in the nineties, like trying to guard Jordan,

(53:33):
trying to guard these guys, him running into Oakley for
a screen, him playing against you know, those Orlando teams,
Carl Malone, like all those tough guys even in the
eighties and stuff. So I would love to see Lou Dirt,
you know, play back in the physical era.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Hey, man, I'm not mad at that choice, man. Physicality
definitely is a transferable trait. Man. You see, this has
been a great episode, you know. I mean, I thought
we reflected on a lot of bts, a lot of
you know, good memories. You shared your own personal journey, man,
and you know, more episodes to come, man, QC, Where
can they find you on social Instagram?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Q cut through two three TikTok q Cook through to
three and Twitter and YouTube you cook through two three,
Man follow tell a.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Friend, y'all know where to find me, man at Ravaughn
and uh At Trey on Instagram. Make sure you follow
the at the Goat pod on Instagram. Show us some love.
Comment you know. QC mentioned in the last part that
he would he would comment back, you know what I mean,
tell him, you know, debating man, He's one of the
He's one of the great debaters. And if you if

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your man, if your Madden gamer is real good, you know,
come back, come holler at you.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I'm having I'm having a man tournament right now. As
soon as we in this part, all right.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Man, we out go go. This has been a Unanimous
Media original. Goat was produced by iHeart Podcasts and Unanimous Media.
It was hosted by me Trevon Edwards and step Kirk.
Executive produced by Stephen Curry and Eric Paton. Co executive

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are Sean Titone and Jason English. This series was produced
by Derek Jennings and Peter Kutcher. Co producer Kurt Ready.
Original music by Jesse Woodard, Special thanks to Stephen Curry
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