August 12, 2024 • 46 mins
Talk about Piping HOT!! The chemistry in this episode was EVERYTHING!So how did Holly and guest star John Cho manage to make Shannen cry?Plus, do we owe Brian a big apology? And why does Drew call 'Dead Man Dating' one of his favorite episodes ever?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is episode four, and I have a lot of
thoughts on dead Man dating. Well, some that Brian won't like,
but it's only because it was before Brian really like
stepped in. But I really liked this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I just thought John was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He's fantastic. It helps so much when we have a
good guest star. And I think this was like the
most charming, charmed episode we had in the first season.
And it's for me. It's where it kind of all
came together in every which away.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I might be biased though I think you're biased, but
I happened to agree with you. But I do think
that it was like the episode that brought out this
really like romantic soft side of your character that was
really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, it's hard for me, I know that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I know. Superhard chemistry was like insane.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I was so awkward. Well Piper is awkward, so that works, yeah,
but yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It was the chemistry was off the charts. This is
I think, so far, like in all the episodes I've
ever watched with charm, this is definitely top two for me.
It just had all the things that I absolutely love
and I thought your guys chemistry Sorry, BK was just.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was you actually are you are there? You're still
in the attic. That's true, He's still in the attic.
By the way, Notice at Brian, do you want.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
To give us the synopsis real quick?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
The synopsis dead man dating?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Piper falls for a ghost with the most who was
murdered by some street thugs, while the recently deceased man
is on a mission to save his soul. Andy is
trying to save his relationship with Proue after she finds
out he was married time out.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Are they in a relationship?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, that seemed like a real quick cut to me,
was something cut from the other episode that like suddenly
you're just like now dating.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I mean they had, you know, relations a conjugal visit.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That was the one.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's actually the first note I wrote. But it doesn't
mean you guys aren't actually in a relationship.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I mean it's it's all a relationship. Meanwhile, Yeah, Phoebe
finds a job as a fortune teller, only to learn
that not everyone wants to know their deadly destiny. That's true,
which I thought I thought. Didn't Phoebe learn her lesson
in the last episode about personal gain like wasn't that
(02:52):
a big thing?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Then this is a personal gain she really like, in
all fairness, she does want to give Prue a proper
gift this year, and she doesn't have any money, so
she's using the powers or talents that she does have
to try to do something selfless.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, but it's not really that selfless. And why you
a gift that you were given by whatever higher power?
Why do that instead of just going and getting a
normal job like everybody else. Yeah, it's taking a shortcut.
It's taking the easy way out, which is what Phoebe
did in the beginning. I think her character grew to
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not do that but and really understood. I think she
understood responsibility to Moore as a show went on again,
I have to watch it with you guys and see.
But I yeah, I kind of agree with Brian here.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Like I think there's anything about the episode there was
because we just learned that was a huge lesson in
the last episode and then you're right back at it.
She's doing it again in this one. And I thought,
even though it's cute and the outfit and it was
funny and it led to kind of the storyline of
the ghosts and everything, I feel like it was still
a bit you know, we took a step back with
(04:11):
the development of the character and you know, what they
learned about their powers and what it means to be
responsible with them?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, I don't know, so I know that it starts
with like Andy inviting me to a spa weekend that
I agree to, which is very weird to me that
there was always on the fence with him, and then
she's like, sure, we can go away together where we
have to share a room? Like wait, what.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was like the SPA type either, Like this one isn't
laying down for a massage. I just don't see it. Yeah,
you're right, she's not. And it just felt like, all
of a.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sudden, they did this big push on the relationship that
didn't It had no real start. Their start was, you know,
a faulty battery that would you know, crank for a
second and then uncrank and then crank and an uncrank.
I know I'm not using correct mechanic technic, you know,
technical words, but who cares. But yeah, it just didn't
(05:14):
make any sense to me. I think that's why I
watched it the other day and then just reading this
whole episode recap I'm like, oh, I forgot because it
just didn't seem right.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, it feels like we missed something or we jumped something,
and I'm trying to remember. I feel like we did
move around episodes. We moved around episodes when we shot.
Something got jumbled, and I feel like four was actually
supposed to be five and five was supposed to be four. Really, yeah,
(05:50):
something got jumbled.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I mean that would have made sense with not learning
the lesson and then learning it hard the next one
with the lottery, I mean that would have made a
little more sense.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, three or four, because then there's no the the
connection you guys have in five dream Source or feels
like it's taken a step back a little bit. I
know we're jumping, but now I'm thinking about it. Yeah,
that makes total sense. You could have they could have
totally flip flopped the episodes.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I think four was supposed to be three.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But even then, if you think about it like that,
like there wasn't enough of a relationship between Andy and
Prue to be like, oh, let's go away for a
SPA weekend. I know, personally, I don't just go away
for SPA weekends with dudes.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
That's never not even adjoining rooms.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I was about to say, what about an enjointing?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You no, Like, it's so stressful to go on a
SPA weekend with a guy amaze, like they're expecting sex,
they're expecting this romance and you're kind of like.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You know what, I'm not into getting in the room
with someone else.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Wait what Sorry?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I said a big dinner in the SPA package. Yeah,
I come on.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I remember it being out of order, and I don't
exactly remember why, but I remember it being out of order.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well I can, I would, just from an outsider's perspective,
obviously not being part of the think group tank whatever
that was in nineteen ninety eight. But I think the
moment you see dead Man Dating versus let's say, Wedding
from Hell, which is episode six and or a Dream Sourcer,
which I do like more than I did before, but
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it's not Dead Man Dating. So I think in order
to just kind of continue to stay front loaded and
excited and keep the Dead Man Dating, that's a special episode.
Whether you like Charmed or not, Like, I think, the
moment you watch it, it's just so it's great, it's amazing.
So I think it kind of keeps people engaged and
locks them in Versus, if this followed, you might you
(07:52):
might have lost viewers in Wedding from Hell. That's don't
quote me, but it's it's a tough that's.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
A tough We're quoting you right now.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You could have lost You could have potentially with.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Andy and Prue, like the two of them boring as
far as I'm concerned, Skip.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Stockery, was it odd that he was a stalker?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That was this episode?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm waiting in your office.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Waiting in your office to see your reaction to his
flowers is super creepy, super.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And you're just like, oh hey, it's.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Also weird to me. I'm like, no, wonder why Andy
didn't stay on the show. It's like super creep Like
who wrote him like that?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Like Brad and like his own personal experience with women
like I'm so confused, much more like intelligent and like
I would rather seen him, you know, beast on the
job and shine in real life. I would have rather
(09:02):
as opposed to some you know, this sort of stalker
slick dude, and you know it would be interesting, you
know obviously interview and have tw on even though I
understand he doesn't want to do it, which is fair. People,
you know, get done with something they don't want to
revisit it. Certainly have been there in my life and
my career, but I would still be interested to hear
(09:23):
like how he felt about playing a guy that just
showed up everywhere.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Watching of the Flowers as wild. That is a wild choice,
my guy.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, guy, guy, let's skip the talker I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Going Will we call that the B storyline?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'd call it d.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I mean at least I was stalking, but you couldn't
see me.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, you were super sick.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Then to Chinatown. We've got Mark who's played John, who's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He just exudes light.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, yeah, he really, he really did, like just goodness
and uh it's his birthday and he gets shot by
a group of thugs. The thugs don't know him. They
just need a random body so that the headthug guy
(10:24):
can get away with something a murder that he that
he did right, and but he'll get off because they're
saying he's dead and here's his body, blah blah blah.
By the way, did they ever talk about how they
were gonna transfer those like dental fingerprints? I mean, nineteen
(10:47):
ninety eight was not completely before DNA.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's true, I don't think he thought that far. I
think he thought by burning up the shooting and then
lighting the corpse on fire with and then the ring,
he didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Have fingerprints on record, and he doesn't go to the dentist. See,
I can work my way out of anything.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But Mark would have had fingerprints on record, and Mark
would have had dental so that nobody would have been
in for him identify him as the person he actually is.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Only his mom was looking for him. And then remember
when I got to the house, she doesn't know that
he's dead yet because they didn't report him.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
The point is when they found a dead body, they
would have run all these records because that's what police.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Do, correct, except for he was burned, so there was
not like the only thing that would have probably been
left technically are dental and.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He definitely went to the dentist. He has for really
good teeth.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But they found the ring, which is very important, which
would identify it as Tony the Triad, the Triad boss.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Right, so let's take the ring as proof of who
this body is.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Can set up. Actually, if you really think about it.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
But that was street thug thinking right like, Oh, I'm
gonna get away with this. I gotta take it out.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
The police had that thinking too.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Were they doing dental in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, Andy definitely wasn't Andy was no no Andy.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
For all his faults, we have to make sure Andy,
like Andy was not not the worst sloth. He's pretty
decent a sloothing.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, generally good at slooping on through.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, sleuthing proof for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So then we have Phoebe at her job as a
psychic at the hotel and Mark shows up there to
ask like because Phoebe can see him to ask for help,
and you can see him as.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, right, Holly, Yes, which I think is a very
funny scene. And I like that we got to go
outside and shoot at the hotel, Roosevelt and all the things,
and he's just good. He's just dang good.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah. I think that always makes it really easy in
a scene. It just kind of blocks you one when
you're acting opposite people who are great, It just you
kind of stop acting and you just start being present
and responding naturally in the moment. And so it's really good.
And I think that's always why The chemistry between everyone here,
especially the three girls, was always great because it didn't
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ever feel like you guys were acting. It always felt
very genuine and just responding in the moment.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And what's crazy about John is that he felt really
green on this episode and I had no clue because
our rapport was so easy and our chemistry was easy.
Sorry BK, and our timing was great this episode. This
(14:01):
episode is called sorry BK.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Sorry Leo separate.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Leo is not BK is not Leo. Yeah, thanks, sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So Mark asks you for help, ask Piper for help,
and he takes her to his murdered body.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Which I think is like, so it was kind of
rough for us at the time. Like I find this
episode not just it is very lovely, but it was
super violent for us at the time. And yes, he
gets shot and you don't really see a bunch of
blood because we weren't allowed to do that, but the
burning body, the whole thing. I remember being creeped out
when I was doing it, and I'm still kind of
(14:45):
creeped out. I just wish it was shot a little
less blatantly, or if.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It was more blatant, it was more realistic, like one
or the other. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, I just remember being caught off guard by like
the guy yelling bitch and or something like that and
pulling out like and just open fire. It just didn't
feel fire charmed. It felt very like, I don't know,
kind of had like a well, obviously there.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Was some ghosts inside the street thug.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, the street thug, Tony Tony street bug.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I mean, I think bitch is the kindest word a
street thug could be.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Sure, I just felt that for me.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I'm like, at least they went that far with it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, It's what we could get away with at the time.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, so we took it. So then you see his
murdered body, and there's there's a thing called Yarma, which
is this weird demon type thing on a horse with
a big lancelot or that thing is, and know he
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takes the murdered bodies, but it's not good. So obviously
the innocent guy Mark wants Yarma to leave him alone.
That's where you come in. You freeze Yarma, and then
you kinda get on the path of like trying to
save this guy because you realize that you have a
(16:27):
crush on him, so he must be innocent.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No, she's just doing her civic duty. That's dare you
daari you? She's not let her emotions get in the
way yet yet.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yama's a soul taker, right, that's what his That's just
he's he's not really technical collect we call him? Would
we call him a demon or would we just call
him like it's he's an evil spirit that collects souls
and he's he's not a it doesn't matter who you
are kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Right, Sure, is that a collector?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
If I remember thes But it doesn't like I think,
didn't Mark have a line in there where he's like,
it doesn't matter if you're good or bad. It's just
like he just he comes and yeah, he collects, that's
his thing, right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Unless you're given like a proper burial and.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, right, And I again, I have to take umbrage
with the glowing eyes. It's just so not necessary.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That is like the glowing eyes on the dogs. I
feel like they somehow centered them a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's just not okay, just so unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I think I think that they were like learning and
fine tuning all of that stuff. It was it was
a little bit better. I wasn't as offended or maybe
it was just because I thought, you know, the episode
was so much better. Yeah, but didn't bother me. Then
Proof catches Andy having dinner with his ex wife who.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Cares red Flag, but she still uses his name. So
are they separated?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Is Susan Sarandon still uses Chris Sarandon's name?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes she does, indeed.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And she was married to Tim Robbins and she stayed
Susan Sarandon looks like Andy, like Trudeau is a great
last name, and she just wants to be.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
But that's because she's a brand. Is is Trudeau? This
woman's brand?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like might be she's a real estate power broker, could
be could be the Trudeau.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I mean, that's a big one. Not to tell you
that's that's a big one.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't I mean maybe, I like, I'm not sure
that they're they're air, Like, why would they go on
a spot weekend?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well, apparently in episode six they would have been there
episode six, they would have been there by Now.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That would make more sense. Your reaction if this was,
if this would shown at six, would be Yo, We've
this has been you know, at least six hours of
television where we've at least a crazy relationship. We're cooking
where you know, things are starting to brew a little bit,
and now all of a sudden, you tell me you
have an ex wife who's tech or a wife that
(19:22):
still uses your name.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I just don't see the connection between the two of them.
If it was episode four, episode six, I don't see it. So,
you know, sure saying like telling someone I have an
ex wife, all of that that's that's kind of important,
or hey I'm still married, or hey, you know I'm
a you know, cheater, like I'll never be loyal to you.
(19:48):
Like all of that stuff is really good information to
give up, to give to someone up front. I just
didn't see Proo ever interested enough for the information to
even be retained in her brain. For me, I look
at Prude, I'm like it would go in one ear
and out the other because she has so much other
important stuff to deal with in her life than someone
(20:10):
that they didn't. And it's not against tw it's more
against the way that those two characters were written together.
So it was a storyline that was never fleshed out properly,
and so it just feels it always feels like a
glass half empty, not half full. And because that they
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just ended up not caring and just being like who cares?
He has an ex wife who cares? Where he goes?
Who cares? Like who cares? You know, like Bru's just
so focused on everything else in her life that literally
she doesn't have room for a guy and his x y.
So I'm not really quite sure why it bothered her
(20:55):
that much. Lack of honesty or I get that anyway,
Let's move on to more important storylines again.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
She has trust issues.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I get it, well, I think unintentionally also, I don't
think this was it would cut from those kind of
scenes with Prue and Andy to write to Mark and
Piper and which had like just streaming chemistry and you're
rooting for them immediately. Sorry, sorry, Bekay, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I hate this episode. It's fine. Let's keep talking about it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Dude, it's so good. You can't. You got to be
objective about that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Get back in the attic.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, it's been stalking her her whole life.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Come on, man, he's like peering over the stairwell, like
watching us try to kiss but we can't.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Because I was like, I'm so glad you did.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You're right that you can't cut from people who are
kind of like blah, people have like instant chemistry and
literally not even a full episode. It's like so far,
you're halfway through the episode and you're rooting for them,
and with Prune Andy you're like, wah, wah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, not necessary. I mean the audience really was into
the Andy character. They really were.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I mean, I think as a character he was great.
I think I just don't think it should have been
so quick with crew. I think that that was something
that they should have built over the entire first season. Yes,
and maybe came to fruition in the second season. I
just think they rushed that relationship too much, and so
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they didn't give it any legs totally.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, it's a big thing to be like, hey,
you're spending your birthday away with me. I'm sorry if
you had any plans.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, not that you guys are any good at planning anything.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
For me exactly. He didn't. Phoebe forgot to put the
invitation in the mail naturally, right, So it's not totally.
I can't believe I'm taking Andy side on this, but
he had no idea that you guys were trying to
plan a surprise party, or that she would.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Have any plans in general.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Right, But hey, to Shannon, to your point, I think
that's actually really that we would have if it would
have been like are they are they not? It was
it's the Ross and Rachel thing, like we're rooting them
for years.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The Shepherd Moonlight thing. Yeah, I mean that would have
been cool, like and that's a lot more of what
their characters were, you know, like detectives blah blah blah.
It would have been interesting to have that dynamic going
on between two characters throughout this entire thing. I think
it would have served t W much better. Definitely would
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have served you know, Prew better. But whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, I think I think part of it too is
he was never not attainable for Prue. He's like here
I am and I'm ready to go all the way
and it's kind of like I'm I'm mister available. Look
I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. And there was no
there was no chase for Prue to get this relationship.
There was no obstacle to overcome, you know, there was
no courting that needed to be done the other direction.
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He was just wide open and totally into you, which
felt a little desperate.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
This is something that has been like a universal thing
throughout like literary and cinematic history.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
If you look at Pride and Prejudice, it's like your
darcy like that, there's a Are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Joe Wright's version of Pride.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And Prejudice one of my favorite movies of all time?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You know I've seen it like thirty two times. Me too.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I watched that movie at least once a year. It's
one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Great score, probably twice a year.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Fine, I watched it three times a year.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
With that movie.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm in love that you're in love with that movie.
I think we should watch it together.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Watch party.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yay?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Do you guys want to go to Calistoga Springs this weekend?
Watch it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No, I just all come out to you and I'll
watch it.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
If you haven't seen this movie, anyone who has not
seen Joe Wright's Pride and Prejudice with Kieran and Niley
and Tom wamscams, I'm like you on his name at
Matthew mcfaden. It is one of the most beautiful adaptations
of any novel I've ever seen, and it hits every
single time, and it is so beautiful they play it perfectly,
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and you are rooting for them, but they keep missing
each other just by like little increments, and then finally
when they get together, it is the most spoiler alert sorry,
it is the most powerful, beautiful, Like you're crying. You've
been rooting from the whole time. If Andy and Prue
had one one hundredth of this, it would have been better.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
By the way, this is the problem with women in
this world is that we either read books like this
growing up, when we see movies like this, and then
somehow we think that romance is supposed to be like
pride and prejudice and is often not. Sadly, I think
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you know that the way that men treat women back
then is very different than now. In a lot of ways,
it's better now, in a lot of ways it's worse now. Right,
It's a give and take. And by the way, Matthew
mcfaie thin like then you see him on Succession and
you're like, who are you?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's the best?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, he's insane. All right, Well, maybe we'll do a
watch party of that movie at some point.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh that's such a good idea, right, I'm all the
way in on that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So Holly, your character Piper brings Mark to the house
to tell us that he's a dead guy. He's a goat.
You know, you explain to us he has to have
a proper burial before Yarma takes the soul. And then,
you know, for some reason, we're back into like the
(26:57):
Phoebe premonition thing where you know, she finds a guy's
wallet and then she gets a premonition that he gets
run over by a pink What was it?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Of all things?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Sometimes I just feel like our writers were having this
weird like drinking game in the writer room and they
would just like throw things in there like yeah, it's
a pink Cadillac. Yeah, they say, we're screwed exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And that storyline, I think we can, we can, we
can wrap up kind of easily because it's it's it's odd,
I find because of all the good stuff between you
and John in this episode too, to keep on going
back to two other storylines that are kind of insignificant
to me that you know, she's obviously now trying to
(27:53):
do good because she has this premonition. She comes across
as you know, one of those psychic that just take
people's money and scams them and everything else and the
man and then I guess his wife or whatever she
is to him are like, oh, this is the woman
who's trying to, you know, take advantage of you. They
(28:13):
don't like her. They tell her to stay away, and
she does end up saving him, which is great, and
I think that's the end of that storyline.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Real fast on that. The only problem, I mean, the
problem I had solely with that storyline is that wildly
she's responsible for the guy yeah running out, Like it
wasn't she chasing him. Yeah, she's chasing him and he's
trying to get away, so yeah, of her. So I
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don't think that was really fleshed out in the writer's room. Sorry, writers,
I just like it didn't. It didn't work like she
was the one responsible if she had never been there,
that she would have never had that premonition. But and
it never occurred to her even post like, oh wait,
I shouldn't have been now this would have been actually
maybe more interesting. She's in a place where she's kind
(29:07):
of doing this thing where she's personal gain again, and
then she's now put someone at harm's way. It's not
like he was going to be in harms way and
she just randomly saved them. She's responsible for him running
out into the street, But is.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
She really because you know, when she saw the premonition,
he had his briefcase, he had like stuff, and he
was on his way somewhere. And yes, she intervenes and
causes him to be you know, freaked out by her,
so then she chases him, but.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
It is her fault.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It probably would have happened either way. Like either way
he probably would have ran out into the street and
gotten hit by a car. But yes, in this instance,
because she was pursuing her own premonition and so help
bent on saving somebody's life who didn't want her help,
she ended up being the cause of him almost being killed.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So correct.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think you're right, Drew. It would have been interesting
for them to explore that side of things, of you know,
where's the responsibility, Like at what point do you say
enough is enough exactly? Versus continuing to chase like what
you think is your destiny but ultimately changing other people's destiny.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
That's really well put.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I agree, Well, thank you, And then.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
She was like, pay me.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Get back to the hotel, and my mistress she has
to get a gift.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
There's a gift that's.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Definitely his mistress, by the way, not the wife.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Definitely not the wife.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Maybe that's why he ran out in the street exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And the wife was driving the pink Cadillac.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah, what's the case, bro?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
All right. So we're back at the house while watching
the news, we all realize that they're reporting the actual
murder of the dead guy. And PBC's a sign and
Mark says it's a wu Han warehouse in Chinatown, and
Piper goes, you like, go into the police thing to
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Andy's desk somehow, without him knowing, somehow, without any other
police officer there, put.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It in his mailbox. That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Did you put in his mailbox? I thought you'd put
it on his computer.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, you slid it in there, all inconspicuously, of course
I did, dude, which is bizarre when he comes out
and he's like, oh, hey, what are you doing here,
And you're like, oh, it's just passing through, you know,
parked in the police parking lot. Just I'm just happening
to be passing through, seeing what's up.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
She's like total a door open for like no one
and talking to no one. Like Andy's like sure, great
detect of is Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
You're parked in a police parking lot.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh that's what bug you about that scene. What bug
me about the scene is the weird hug. The weird
hug at the end is weird.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
That was a little weird.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It was a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
He's like, hey, you know, doesn't work out with Prue.
You're a kid.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Even if it was literally like episode six, it's still weird.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That is funny. So you framed the killers so the
cops will know that Tony Wong faked his own death.
How smart of you, Thank you, thank you? How did you?
I mean, how did you frame him?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Because I put the newspaper so it says that he's
did That's right.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Very smart, very smart idea. Now I know we'd kind
of discussed this. We have discussed this, But it's interesting
how Piper your power kind of ebbs and flows in
regards to time emotions. It's just like a convenience factor,
like just enough time to kind of get that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know, it's emotions. So like when she panics or
when she's terrified, or and she doesn't know she can't.
She doesn't know how to keep it up.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Doesn't know how to keep what up?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
She doesn't she needs somebody.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's a question for Andy that.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I just zone out.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I don't know, it's just because you know me, you
knew what I meant, because that's how I'm feeling this morning,
feelings him inappropriates.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Right, Okay, so you frame him all of a sudden,
Andy's like, oh, I'm a great detective, blah blah blah. Yeah,
then we have the whole part that we already covered.
He'd be runs out. Now. This says that she pushes
him out of the way so that he doesn't get
hit by the car. I would love to play it back,
(33:59):
and I'm going to let the fans tell us if
she pushes them out of the way or not. But Drew,
You're still right she sort of forced him to run
to get away from her. So we've closed that book.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
There's one thing before we skipped, and I think it's
kind of important is when Mark. When Mark brings Piper
to his house because the mom is looking for him. Yes,
and Piper has an opportunity here to kind of say
It's like a full Odame Brown style moment where she
(34:30):
can kind of tell her about like, Hey, this is
what's happened to your son and you elect not to. Now,
why do you feel, Piper, why do you feel like
you did that? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well, first of all, she doesn't sorry. First of all,
she doesn't know Chinese and she's trying her best, and
Mark is not easy. It was not easy because she's
not qualified to That's what do you think it was? Yeah?
I think she doesn't feel qualified to give next of
(35:05):
kin bad news.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I agree with her, like, how is she supposed to
give that info? And look at the mom and be like, no,
your son's right here. This is how I have all
of this info. He's a ghost, he's right. Like, what
a crazy conversation to have with a woman you don't
know at all.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Even though the mom was very spiritual and I feel
like she would have rolled with it, Piper was not ready.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Well, he was basically wanting you to tell the mom
where the body was so he could get buried, so
he doesn't get taken by Yama. So what my interpretation,
like the hopeless romantic, was you've kind of caught feelings
for this guy and you're not ready to let him
go yet. So therefore, and that's you. You don't tell her.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Maybe we would have if Piper had told her it
would have been about twenty minutes short on the episode.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's right, and we still have something. We still have
some creepy Andy to get to.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, but I really feel like I feel like that
was like you're not ready to let him go, and
I'm like, oh, this is true love, Like this is
what it's all about. This is what we want.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It is what we wanted. It is a last We
never got it. Instead we got BK, just kidding, BK.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Piper loves a dead guy.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, well, yes.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You know you got a type.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Hey, by the way, you're a dead guy too, Yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Know, And I kind of pull a little Andy on you,
you know, totally leaving you no choice a little.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You've been watching us since we were children.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
We'll get to that, we'll get You're.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
So much worse than Andy.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So Mark Piper start kissing, and the killers rush in
and kidnap hyper. I don't remember you guys actually physically
being able to kiss. No, I remember being like, you
know it, there was that, like I remember it being
that right.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, we rhymed it.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It was a really beautiful scene. What was the original
music from that scene? I wonder, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That was something else that was really bugging me. There
is a song in there that is so terribly creepy.
I can't deal with the Amazon version of the music,
like it's it's not okay.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Just kidding Amazon, we love you.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
It's it's different on Peacock, is it?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
What do you have on Peacock? Do you have the
original music?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah? I think so. It seems like it because I
had Morrisey on what was the episode?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, six seven, but yeah, that that seemed like that
got me like just close your eyes and lean into
it and pretend.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So they kidnap you, re rush in to try to
save you. They try to shoot me, but you save
me by freezing the bullet. And then Andy shows up
and shoots Tony Wong sol leaves his body, and then
Yarma comes to take Tony's soul, but Piper stops him
from taking mark soul because Yama's I guess, like, whose
(38:18):
soul do I take? I think he takes Tony's, but
then doesn't he also try to take Mark and stand
in front and say, no, you can't have him, you
can't have him. Correct, he's mine, it's mine. You can't
take this good.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Man's soul again, I think it. Yama is like he's
a he's an equal opportunist. He just wants any and
all souls. He doesn't but he doesn't he doesn't have
discerning taste, let's say, but you kind of he can't
take obviously a living soul, and the fact that you
stand in front of him, I believe he just like
(38:57):
kind of respects it and leaves.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, dude, he's also against like the charmed ones.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's truly.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, I would leave if I'd be like, okay, girls,
have fun with your dead guy over here. And then
we're at Mark's funeral where you know, he tells me
to treasure my birthday because you don't know how many
you have, which doesn't mean anything, because what really means
(39:30):
something is this scene between Piper and Mark, and like
that connection between you guys as actors and how you
portrayed that was so great and it was so like
you almost like I kind of started crying a little
bit when I watched it because it was like, oh,
(39:51):
oh my god, that was so beautiful. And then like
a little dad showed up and you're like, no, please
don't go with the dad. Stay with Piper. Stay with Piper,
he's mine. Yeah, it was just but then you're like,
obviously he has to go, and at least his dad
is like greeting him and taking him into you know,
the after world. Yeah, and it's still a beautiful moment.
(40:15):
But like, yeah, and b kay, I don't. I don't
mean to because it was really the first time that
we saw Piper have that kind of like romance. So
I think it was really impactful. Obviously, like when you
fully come into the show, when you guys start your romance,
it's a different kind of a romance because it's not
(40:37):
one where she can't touch you, she can't do this,
she can't do that. It's more a one that you
realize they can actually have and it's also really beautiful
and wonderful. So I'm not gonna say sorry to you,
because I'll compliment you a lot later when you have
that relationship with her.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
We'll get to you. We'll get to You'll get to you.
But we're going to talk about John Show some more
right now.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Yes, it was my introduction into being a professional, Like
that was the first time I really learned what casts
do you know, how you take care of one another,
and that was really eye opening to me how you
were there for me and how you took care of
one another. I thought, Okay, this is how it's supposed
(41:21):
to be done, and I've taken that forward.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Having a good guest star that is as committed to
the moment as you are is like such a huge necessity.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
I was going to say the opposite, which is, I
was so felt so lucky to have you as my
acting partner because I was very green. I didn't know
what I was doing, and there's no way that I
could have stumbled through that without someone of your caliber.
And I was really I was watching it, and I
was reminded of my impression when I got home that night,
(41:52):
which is like, Holly is so simple, and I mean
that as the highest compliment. It is She's just saying
these words and meeting them, and I can't believe how
she can do this. And you know, for me, as
a young actor, you're trying to push so much, and
it was so interesting and instructive to watch you simply
(42:18):
mean the words.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I just.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
I was struck by it then so deeply, and I
was struck by.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
It on the rewatch. He's so wonderful. I'm such a
massive fan of his work, and he's so complimentary and
he's an intelligent actor. You can tell, like with how
he approaches not everything, like everything from Charmed all the
way till now. Just an incredible dude.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, so you have this beautiful, beautiful ending between Piper
and Mark.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I don't know if I even caught this last time,
but I didn't realize that Graham's was the one that
taught Piper to cook and that whole scene that they
have where they find this common ground and love of
cooking and they like the same books. Sorry, BK, but
it was just it was so everything about it was great,
and I was like, how did I not remember, like
(43:13):
the whole cooking thing and Graham's being the one and
you know, being a chef. But then I became a hostess,
and you know, it's all downhill from there.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Then he became a night club owner and a bartender
standing on bars dancing.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah that was one time, one time.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
But anyway, like it's it was weird to me that
we would and I get that every episode needs like
a button on it, but to go from that beautiful
thing to like now we're back at the house and
there's like.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Oh yeah the Funerals after party. Yes, when I.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
See Andy there and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Why are we back on these dudies literally lurking in
the back rind. Here comes Andy like a shark.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I was just like, why did we have to go
back there? Like why couldn't we have ended it with
you know, you guys or him walking away with his dad,
but then like stopping and turning back and you two
just having this moment and just in the show on that,
because that to me was you know what the show,
the show was really about, like love and that episode
(44:25):
and what you do for love and how you fight
for love and how you have to give things up
for love, and yeah, I just wanted it to in there.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I feel like it was a spelling thing where they
always wanted to end on like a light, lighthearted moment. Basically, Yeah,
I think like I feel like that's a note. It
would have been like a network or a producer note
being like, oh, but we have to wrap it up
in a happy bow tie with Andy lurking.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah. Yeah, although it was a great episode.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, I agree, that was a tough moment to go
from like this really powerful beautifully executed scene by everyone too,
like oh now it's a party and we're just now
all laughing and smiling and happy.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know, props to Piper who can
go like, lose the love of her life, sorry to
be gay, and then be like, but I still pulled
off the surprise party.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
First love of your life?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yes, first love, I would say, that's not the love
of your life. Okay, all right, you knew him for
a day, Yeah, he's a days.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
I brought him blankets. We slept together. I mean no,
we didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
You didn't really sleep together.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Nobody slept that night.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Back to the warehouse.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
All right. So that was was episode four.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Dead Man Dating, dead.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Man Dating even like the title where no one sleeps,
like everything about it.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Usually these titles are like a like a witty spin
on something like something wika. This way comes what what's
dead man dating? Based like what's the what's the witty?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
He's dead but he's trying to date.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Well, it's it's dead man walking.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Dead man walking?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yet it so fantastic job Holly especially, all right, all right,
thanks guys,
This is episode four, and I have a lot of
thoughts on dead Man dating. Well, some that Brian won't like,
but it's only because it was before Brian really like
stepped in. But I really liked this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I just thought John was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He's fantastic. It helps so much when we have a
good guest star. And I think this was like the
most charming, charmed episode we had in the first season.
And it's for me. It's where it kind of all
came together in every which away.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I might be biased though I think you're biased, but
I happened to agree with you. But I do think
that it was like the episode that brought out this
really like romantic soft side of your character that was
really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, it's hard for me, I know that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I know. Superhard chemistry was like insane.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I was so awkward. Well Piper is awkward, so that works, yeah,
but yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It was the chemistry was off the charts. This is
I think, so far, like in all the episodes I've
ever watched with charm, this is definitely top two for me.
It just had all the things that I absolutely love
and I thought your guys chemistry Sorry, BK was just.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was you actually are you are there? You're still
in the attic. That's true, He's still in the attic.
By the way, Notice at Brian, do you want.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
To give us the synopsis real quick?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
The synopsis dead man dating?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Piper falls for a ghost with the most who was
murdered by some street thugs, while the recently deceased man
is on a mission to save his soul. Andy is
trying to save his relationship with Proue after she finds
out he was married time out.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Are they in a relationship?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, that seemed like a real quick cut to me,
was something cut from the other episode that like suddenly
you're just like now dating.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I mean they had, you know, relations a conjugal visit.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That was the one.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's actually the first note I wrote. But it doesn't
mean you guys aren't actually in a relationship.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I mean it's it's all a relationship. Meanwhile, Yeah, Phoebe
finds a job as a fortune teller, only to learn
that not everyone wants to know their deadly destiny. That's true,
which I thought I thought. Didn't Phoebe learn her lesson
in the last episode about personal gain like wasn't that
(02:52):
a big thing?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Then this is a personal gain she really like, in
all fairness, she does want to give Prue a proper
gift this year, and she doesn't have any money, so
she's using the powers or talents that she does have
to try to do something selfless.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, but it's not really that selfless. And why you
a gift that you were given by whatever higher power?
Why do that instead of just going and getting a
normal job like everybody else. Yeah, it's taking a shortcut.
It's taking the easy way out, which is what Phoebe
did in the beginning. I think her character grew to
(03:32):
not do that but and really understood. I think she
understood responsibility to Moore as a show went on again,
I have to watch it with you guys and see.
But I yeah, I kind of agree with Brian here.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Like I think there's anything about the episode there was
because we just learned that was a huge lesson in
the last episode and then you're right back at it.
She's doing it again in this one. And I thought,
even though it's cute and the outfit and it was
funny and it led to kind of the storyline of
the ghosts and everything, I feel like it was still
a bit you know, we took a step back with
(04:11):
the development of the character and you know, what they
learned about their powers and what it means to be
responsible with them?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, I don't know, so I know that it starts
with like Andy inviting me to a spa weekend that
I agree to, which is very weird to me that
there was always on the fence with him, and then
she's like, sure, we can go away together where we
have to share a room? Like wait, what.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was like the SPA type either, Like this one isn't
laying down for a massage. I just don't see it. Yeah,
you're right, she's not. And it just felt like, all
of a.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sudden, they did this big push on the relationship that
didn't It had no real start. Their start was, you know,
a faulty battery that would you know, crank for a
second and then uncrank and then crank and an uncrank.
I know I'm not using correct mechanic technic, you know,
technical words, but who cares. But yeah, it just didn't
(05:14):
make any sense to me. I think that's why I
watched it the other day and then just reading this
whole episode recap I'm like, oh, I forgot because it
just didn't seem right.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, it feels like we missed something or we jumped something,
and I'm trying to remember. I feel like we did
move around episodes. We moved around episodes when we shot.
Something got jumbled, and I feel like four was actually
supposed to be five and five was supposed to be four. Really, yeah,
(05:50):
something got jumbled.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I mean that would have made sense with not learning
the lesson and then learning it hard the next one
with the lottery, I mean that would have made a
little more sense.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, three or four, because then there's no the the
connection you guys have in five dream Source or feels
like it's taken a step back a little bit. I
know we're jumping, but now I'm thinking about it. Yeah,
that makes total sense. You could have they could have
totally flip flopped the episodes.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I think four was supposed to be three.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But even then, if you think about it like that,
like there wasn't enough of a relationship between Andy and
Prue to be like, oh, let's go away for a
SPA weekend. I know, personally, I don't just go away
for SPA weekends with dudes.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
That's never not even adjoining rooms.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I was about to say, what about an enjointing?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You no, Like, it's so stressful to go on a
SPA weekend with a guy amaze, like they're expecting sex,
they're expecting this romance and you're kind of like.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You know what, I'm not into getting in the room
with someone else.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Wait what Sorry?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I said a big dinner in the SPA package. Yeah,
I come on.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I remember it being out of order, and I don't
exactly remember why, but I remember it being out of order.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well I can, I would, just from an outsider's perspective,
obviously not being part of the think group tank whatever
that was in nineteen ninety eight. But I think the
moment you see dead Man Dating versus let's say, Wedding
from Hell, which is episode six and or a Dream Sourcer,
which I do like more than I did before, but
(07:29):
it's not Dead Man Dating. So I think in order
to just kind of continue to stay front loaded and
excited and keep the Dead Man Dating, that's a special episode.
Whether you like Charmed or not, Like, I think, the
moment you watch it, it's just so it's great, it's amazing.
So I think it kind of keeps people engaged and
locks them in Versus, if this followed, you might you
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might have lost viewers in Wedding from Hell. That's don't
quote me, but it's it's a tough that's.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
A tough We're quoting you right now.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You could have lost You could have potentially with.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Andy and Prue, like the two of them boring as
far as I'm concerned, Skip.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Stockery, was it odd that he was a stalker?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That was this episode?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm waiting in your office.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Waiting in your office to see your reaction to his
flowers is super creepy, super.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And you're just like, oh hey, it's.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Also weird to me. I'm like, no, wonder why Andy
didn't stay on the show. It's like super creep Like
who wrote him like that?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Like Brad and like his own personal experience with women
like I'm so confused, much more like intelligent and like
I would rather seen him, you know, beast on the
job and shine in real life. I would have rather
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as opposed to some you know, this sort of stalker
slick dude, and you know it would be interesting, you
know obviously interview and have tw on even though I
understand he doesn't want to do it, which is fair. People,
you know, get done with something they don't want to
revisit it. Certainly have been there in my life and
my career, but I would still be interested to hear
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like how he felt about playing a guy that just
showed up everywhere.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Watching of the Flowers as wild. That is a wild choice,
my guy.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, guy, guy, let's skip the talker I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Going Will we call that the B storyline?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'd call it d.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I mean at least I was stalking, but you couldn't
see me.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, you were super sick.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Then to Chinatown. We've got Mark who's played John, who's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He just exudes light.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, yeah, he really, he really did, like just goodness
and uh it's his birthday and he gets shot by
a group of thugs. The thugs don't know him. They
just need a random body so that the headthug guy
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can get away with something a murder that he that
he did right, and but he'll get off because they're
saying he's dead and here's his body, blah blah blah.
By the way, did they ever talk about how they
were gonna transfer those like dental fingerprints? I mean, nineteen
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ninety eight was not completely before DNA.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's true, I don't think he thought that far. I
think he thought by burning up the shooting and then
lighting the corpse on fire with and then the ring,
he didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Have fingerprints on record, and he doesn't go to the dentist. See,
I can work my way out of anything.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But Mark would have had fingerprints on record, and Mark
would have had dental so that nobody would have been
in for him identify him as the person he actually is.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Only his mom was looking for him. And then remember
when I got to the house, she doesn't know that
he's dead yet because they didn't report him.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
The point is when they found a dead body, they
would have run all these records because that's what police.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Do, correct, except for he was burned, so there was
not like the only thing that would have probably been
left technically are dental and.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He definitely went to the dentist. He has for really
good teeth.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But they found the ring, which is very important, which
would identify it as Tony the Triad, the Triad boss.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Right, so let's take the ring as proof of who
this body is.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Can set up. Actually, if you really think about it.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
But that was street thug thinking right like, Oh, I'm
gonna get away with this. I gotta take it out.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
The police had that thinking too.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Were they doing dental in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, Andy definitely wasn't Andy was no no Andy.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
For all his faults, we have to make sure Andy,
like Andy was not not the worst sloth. He's pretty
decent a sloothing.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, generally good at slooping on through.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, sleuthing proof for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So then we have Phoebe at her job as a
psychic at the hotel and Mark shows up there to
ask like because Phoebe can see him to ask for help,
and you can see him as.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, right, Holly, Yes, which I think is a very
funny scene. And I like that we got to go
outside and shoot at the hotel, Roosevelt and all the things,
and he's just good. He's just dang good.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah. I think that always makes it really easy in
a scene. It just kind of blocks you one when
you're acting opposite people who are great, It just you
kind of stop acting and you just start being present
and responding naturally in the moment. And so it's really good.
And I think that's always why The chemistry between everyone here,
especially the three girls, was always great because it didn't
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ever feel like you guys were acting. It always felt
very genuine and just responding in the moment.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And what's crazy about John is that he felt really
green on this episode and I had no clue because
our rapport was so easy and our chemistry was easy.
Sorry BK, and our timing was great this episode. This
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episode is called sorry BK.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Sorry Leo separate.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Leo is not BK is not Leo. Yeah, thanks, sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So Mark asks you for help, ask Piper for help,
and he takes her to his murdered body.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Which I think is like, so it was kind of
rough for us at the time. Like I find this
episode not just it is very lovely, but it was
super violent for us at the time. And yes, he
gets shot and you don't really see a bunch of
blood because we weren't allowed to do that, but the
burning body, the whole thing. I remember being creeped out
when I was doing it, and I'm still kind of
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creeped out. I just wish it was shot a little
less blatantly, or if.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It was more blatant, it was more realistic, like one
or the other. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, I just remember being caught off guard by like
the guy yelling bitch and or something like that and
pulling out like and just open fire. It just didn't
feel fire charmed. It felt very like, I don't know,
kind of had like a well, obviously there.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Was some ghosts inside the street thug.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, the street thug, Tony Tony street bug.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I mean, I think bitch is the kindest word a
street thug could be.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Sure, I just felt that for me.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I'm like, at least they went that far with it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, It's what we could get away with at the time.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, so we took it. So then you see his
murdered body, and there's there's a thing called Yarma, which
is this weird demon type thing on a horse with
a big lancelot or that thing is, and know he
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takes the murdered bodies, but it's not good. So obviously
the innocent guy Mark wants Yarma to leave him alone.
That's where you come in. You freeze Yarma, and then
you kinda get on the path of like trying to
save this guy because you realize that you have a
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crush on him, so he must be innocent.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No, she's just doing her civic duty. That's dare you
daari you? She's not let her emotions get in the
way yet yet.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yama's a soul taker, right, that's what his That's just
he's he's not really technical collect we call him? Would
we call him a demon or would we just call
him like it's he's an evil spirit that collects souls
and he's he's not a it doesn't matter who you
are kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Right, Sure, is that a collector?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
If I remember thes But it doesn't like I think,
didn't Mark have a line in there where he's like,
it doesn't matter if you're good or bad. It's just
like he just he comes and yeah, he collects, that's
his thing, right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Unless you're given like a proper burial and.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, right, And I again, I have to take umbrage
with the glowing eyes. It's just so not necessary.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That is like the glowing eyes on the dogs. I
feel like they somehow centered them a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's just not okay, just so unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I think I think that they were like learning and
fine tuning all of that stuff. It was it was
a little bit better. I wasn't as offended or maybe
it was just because I thought, you know, the episode
was so much better. Yeah, but didn't bother me. Then
Proof catches Andy having dinner with his ex wife who.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Cares red Flag, but she still uses his name. So
are they separated?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Is Susan Sarandon still uses Chris Sarandon's name?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes she does, indeed.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And she was married to Tim Robbins and she stayed
Susan Sarandon looks like Andy, like Trudeau is a great
last name, and she just wants to be.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
But that's because she's a brand. Is is Trudeau? This
woman's brand?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like might be she's a real estate power broker, could
be could be the Trudeau.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I mean, that's a big one. Not to tell you
that's that's a big one.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't I mean maybe, I like, I'm not sure
that they're they're air, Like, why would they go on
a spot weekend?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well, apparently in episode six they would have been there
episode six, they would have been there by Now.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That would make more sense. Your reaction if this was,
if this would shown at six, would be Yo, We've
this has been you know, at least six hours of
television where we've at least a crazy relationship. We're cooking
where you know, things are starting to brew a little bit,
and now all of a sudden, you tell me you
have an ex wife who's tech or a wife that
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still uses your name.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I just don't see the connection between the two of them.
If it was episode four, episode six, I don't see it. So,
you know, sure saying like telling someone I have an
ex wife, all of that that's that's kind of important,
or hey I'm still married, or hey, you know I'm
a you know, cheater, like I'll never be loyal to you.
(19:48):
Like all of that stuff is really good information to
give up, to give to someone up front. I just
didn't see Proo ever interested enough for the information to
even be retained in her brain. For me, I look
at Prude, I'm like it would go in one ear
and out the other because she has so much other
important stuff to deal with in her life than someone
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that they didn't. And it's not against tw it's more
against the way that those two characters were written together.
So it was a storyline that was never fleshed out properly,
and so it just feels it always feels like a
glass half empty, not half full. And because that they
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just ended up not caring and just being like who cares?
He has an ex wife who cares? Where he goes?
Who cares? Like who cares? You know, like Bru's just
so focused on everything else in her life that literally
she doesn't have room for a guy and his x y.
So I'm not really quite sure why it bothered her
(20:55):
that much. Lack of honesty or I get that anyway,
Let's move on to more important storylines again.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
She has trust issues.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I get it, well, I think unintentionally also, I don't
think this was it would cut from those kind of
scenes with Prue and Andy to write to Mark and
Piper and which had like just streaming chemistry and you're
rooting for them immediately. Sorry, sorry, Bekay, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I hate this episode. It's fine. Let's keep talking about it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Dude, it's so good. You can't. You got to be
objective about that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Get back in the attic.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, it's been stalking her her whole life.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Come on, man, he's like peering over the stairwell, like
watching us try to kiss but we can't.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Because I was like, I'm so glad you did.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You're right that you can't cut from people who are
kind of like blah, people have like instant chemistry and
literally not even a full episode. It's like so far,
you're halfway through the episode and you're rooting for them,
and with Prune Andy you're like, wah, wah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, not necessary. I mean the audience really was into
the Andy character. They really were.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I mean, I think as a character he was great.
I think I just don't think it should have been
so quick with crew. I think that that was something
that they should have built over the entire first season. Yes,
and maybe came to fruition in the second season. I
just think they rushed that relationship too much, and so
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they didn't give it any legs totally.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, it's a big thing to be like, hey,
you're spending your birthday away with me. I'm sorry if
you had any plans.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, not that you guys are any good at planning anything.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
For me exactly. He didn't. Phoebe forgot to put the
invitation in the mail naturally, right, So it's not totally.
I can't believe I'm taking Andy side on this, but
he had no idea that you guys were trying to
plan a surprise party, or that she would.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Have any plans in general.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Right, But hey, to Shannon, to your point, I think
that's actually really that we would have if it would
have been like are they are they not? It was
it's the Ross and Rachel thing, like we're rooting them
for years.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The Shepherd Moonlight thing. Yeah, I mean that would have
been cool, like and that's a lot more of what
their characters were, you know, like detectives blah blah blah.
It would have been interesting to have that dynamic going
on between two characters throughout this entire thing. I think
it would have served t W much better. Definitely would
(23:37):
have served you know, Prew better. But whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, I think I think part of it too is
he was never not attainable for Prue. He's like here
I am and I'm ready to go all the way
and it's kind of like I'm I'm mister available. Look
I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. And there was no
there was no chase for Prue to get this relationship.
There was no obstacle to overcome, you know, there was
no courting that needed to be done the other direction.
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He was just wide open and totally into you, which
felt a little desperate.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
This is something that has been like a universal thing
throughout like literary and cinematic history.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
If you look at Pride and Prejudice, it's like your
darcy like that, there's a Are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Joe Wright's version of Pride.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And Prejudice one of my favorite movies of all time?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You know I've seen it like thirty two times. Me too.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I watched that movie at least once a year. It's
one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Great score, probably twice a year.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Fine, I watched it three times a year.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
With that movie.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm in love that you're in love with that movie.
I think we should watch it together.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Watch party.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yay?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Do you guys want to go to Calistoga Springs this weekend?
Watch it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No, I just all come out to you and I'll
watch it.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
If you haven't seen this movie, anyone who has not
seen Joe Wright's Pride and Prejudice with Kieran and Niley
and Tom wamscams, I'm like you on his name at
Matthew mcfaden. It is one of the most beautiful adaptations
of any novel I've ever seen, and it hits every
single time, and it is so beautiful they play it perfectly,
(25:16):
and you are rooting for them, but they keep missing
each other just by like little increments, and then finally
when they get together, it is the most spoiler alert sorry,
it is the most powerful, beautiful, Like you're crying. You've
been rooting from the whole time. If Andy and Prue
had one one hundredth of this, it would have been better.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
By the way, this is the problem with women in
this world is that we either read books like this
growing up, when we see movies like this, and then
somehow we think that romance is supposed to be like
pride and prejudice and is often not. Sadly, I think
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you know that the way that men treat women back
then is very different than now. In a lot of ways,
it's better now, in a lot of ways it's worse now. Right,
It's a give and take. And by the way, Matthew
mcfaie thin like then you see him on Succession and
you're like, who are you?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's the best?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, he's insane. All right, Well, maybe we'll do a
watch party of that movie at some point.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh that's such a good idea, right, I'm all the
way in on that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So Holly, your character Piper brings Mark to the house
to tell us that he's a dead guy. He's a goat.
You know, you explain to us he has to have
a proper burial before Yarma takes the soul. And then,
you know, for some reason, we're back into like the
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Phoebe premonition thing where you know, she finds a guy's
wallet and then she gets a premonition that he gets
run over by a pink What was it?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Of all things?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Sometimes I just feel like our writers were having this
weird like drinking game in the writer room and they
would just like throw things in there like yeah, it's
a pink Cadillac. Yeah, they say, we're screwed exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And that storyline, I think we can, we can, we
can wrap up kind of easily because it's it's it's odd,
I find because of all the good stuff between you
and John in this episode too, to keep on going
back to two other storylines that are kind of insignificant
to me that you know, she's obviously now trying to
(27:53):
do good because she has this premonition. She comes across
as you know, one of those psychic that just take
people's money and scams them and everything else and the
man and then I guess his wife or whatever she
is to him are like, oh, this is the woman
who's trying to, you know, take advantage of you. They
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don't like her. They tell her to stay away, and
she does end up saving him, which is great, and
I think that's the end of that storyline.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Real fast on that. The only problem, I mean, the
problem I had solely with that storyline is that wildly
she's responsible for the guy yeah running out, Like it
wasn't she chasing him. Yeah, she's chasing him and he's
trying to get away, so yeah, of her. So I
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don't think that was really fleshed out in the writer's room. Sorry, writers,
I just like it didn't. It didn't work like she
was the one responsible if she had never been there,
that she would have never had that premonition. But and
it never occurred to her even post like, oh wait,
I shouldn't have been now this would have been actually
maybe more interesting. She's in a place where she's kind
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of doing this thing where she's personal gain again, and
then she's now put someone at harm's way. It's not
like he was going to be in harms way and
she just randomly saved them. She's responsible for him running
out into the street, But is.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
She really because you know, when she saw the premonition,
he had his briefcase, he had like stuff, and he
was on his way somewhere. And yes, she intervenes and
causes him to be you know, freaked out by her,
so then she chases him, but.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
It is her fault.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It probably would have happened either way. Like either way
he probably would have ran out into the street and
gotten hit by a car. But yes, in this instance,
because she was pursuing her own premonition and so help
bent on saving somebody's life who didn't want her help,
she ended up being the cause of him almost being killed.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So correct.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think you're right, Drew. It would have been interesting
for them to explore that side of things, of you know,
where's the responsibility, Like at what point do you say
enough is enough exactly? Versus continuing to chase like what
you think is your destiny but ultimately changing other people's destiny.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
That's really well put.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I agree, Well, thank you, And then.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
She was like, pay me.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Get back to the hotel, and my mistress she has
to get a gift.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
There's a gift that's.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Definitely his mistress, by the way, not the wife.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Definitely not the wife.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Maybe that's why he ran out in the street exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And the wife was driving the pink Cadillac.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah, what's the case, bro?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
All right. So we're back at the house while watching
the news, we all realize that they're reporting the actual
murder of the dead guy. And PBC's a sign and
Mark says it's a wu Han warehouse in Chinatown, and
Piper goes, you like, go into the police thing to
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Andy's desk somehow, without him knowing, somehow, without any other
police officer there, put.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It in his mailbox. That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Did you put in his mailbox? I thought you'd put
it on his computer.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, you slid it in there, all inconspicuously, of course
I did, dude, which is bizarre when he comes out
and he's like, oh, hey, what are you doing here,
And you're like, oh, it's just passing through, you know,
parked in the police parking lot. Just I'm just happening
to be passing through, seeing what's up.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
She's like total a door open for like no one
and talking to no one. Like Andy's like sure, great
detect of is Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
You're parked in a police parking lot.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh that's what bug you about that scene. What bug
me about the scene is the weird hug. The weird
hug at the end is weird.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
That was a little weird.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It was a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
He's like, hey, you know, doesn't work out with Prue.
You're a kid.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Even if it was literally like episode six, it's still weird.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That is funny. So you framed the killers so the
cops will know that Tony Wong faked his own death.
How smart of you, Thank you, thank you? How did you?
I mean, how did you frame him?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Because I put the newspaper so it says that he's
did That's right.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Very smart, very smart idea. Now I know we'd kind
of discussed this. We have discussed this, But it's interesting
how Piper your power kind of ebbs and flows in
regards to time emotions. It's just like a convenience factor,
like just enough time to kind of get that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know, it's emotions. So like when she panics or
when she's terrified, or and she doesn't know she can't.
She doesn't know how to keep it up.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Doesn't know how to keep what up?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
She doesn't she needs somebody.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's a question for Andy that.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I just zone out.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I don't know, it's just because you know me, you
knew what I meant, because that's how I'm feeling this morning,
feelings him inappropriates.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Right, Okay, so you frame him all of a sudden,
Andy's like, oh, I'm a great detective, blah blah blah. Yeah,
then we have the whole part that we already covered.
He'd be runs out. Now. This says that she pushes
him out of the way so that he doesn't get
hit by the car. I would love to play it back,
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and I'm going to let the fans tell us if
she pushes them out of the way or not. But Drew,
You're still right she sort of forced him to run
to get away from her. So we've closed that book.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
There's one thing before we skipped, and I think it's
kind of important is when Mark. When Mark brings Piper
to his house because the mom is looking for him. Yes,
and Piper has an opportunity here to kind of say
It's like a full Odame Brown style moment where she
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can kind of tell her about like, Hey, this is
what's happened to your son and you elect not to. Now,
why do you feel, Piper, why do you feel like
you did that? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well, first of all, she doesn't sorry. First of all,
she doesn't know Chinese and she's trying her best, and
Mark is not easy. It was not easy because she's
not qualified to That's what do you think it was? Yeah?
I think she doesn't feel qualified to give next of
(35:05):
kin bad news.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I agree with her, like, how is she supposed to
give that info? And look at the mom and be like, no,
your son's right here. This is how I have all
of this info. He's a ghost, he's right. Like, what
a crazy conversation to have with a woman you don't
know at all.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Even though the mom was very spiritual and I feel
like she would have rolled with it, Piper was not ready.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Well, he was basically wanting you to tell the mom
where the body was so he could get buried, so
he doesn't get taken by Yama. So what my interpretation,
like the hopeless romantic, was you've kind of caught feelings
for this guy and you're not ready to let him
go yet. So therefore, and that's you. You don't tell her.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Maybe we would have if Piper had told her it
would have been about twenty minutes short on the episode.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's right, and we still have something. We still have
some creepy Andy to get to.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, but I really feel like I feel like that
was like you're not ready to let him go, and
I'm like, oh, this is true love, Like this is
what it's all about. This is what we want.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It is what we wanted. It is a last We
never got it. Instead we got BK, just kidding, BK.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Piper loves a dead guy.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, well, yes.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You know you got a type.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Hey, by the way, you're a dead guy too, Yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Know, And I kind of pull a little Andy on you,
you know, totally leaving you no choice a little.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You've been watching us since we were children.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
We'll get to that, we'll get You're.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
So much worse than Andy.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So Mark Piper start kissing, and the killers rush in
and kidnap hyper. I don't remember you guys actually physically
being able to kiss. No, I remember being like, you
know it, there was that, like I remember it being
that right.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, we rhymed it.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It was a really beautiful scene. What was the original
music from that scene? I wonder, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That was something else that was really bugging me. There
is a song in there that is so terribly creepy.
I can't deal with the Amazon version of the music,
like it's it's not okay.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Just kidding Amazon, we love you.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
It's it's different on Peacock, is it?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
What do you have on Peacock? Do you have the
original music?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah? I think so. It seems like it because I
had Morrisey on what was the episode?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, six seven, but yeah, that that seemed like that
got me like just close your eyes and lean into
it and pretend.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So they kidnap you, re rush in to try to
save you. They try to shoot me, but you save
me by freezing the bullet. And then Andy shows up
and shoots Tony Wong sol leaves his body, and then
Yarma comes to take Tony's soul, but Piper stops him
from taking mark soul because Yama's I guess, like, whose
(38:18):
soul do I take? I think he takes Tony's, but
then doesn't he also try to take Mark and stand
in front and say, no, you can't have him, you
can't have him. Correct, he's mine, it's mine. You can't
take this good.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Man's soul again, I think it. Yama is like he's
a he's an equal opportunist. He just wants any and
all souls. He doesn't but he doesn't he doesn't have
discerning taste, let's say, but you kind of he can't
take obviously a living soul, and the fact that you
stand in front of him, I believe he just like
(38:57):
kind of respects it and leaves.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, dude, he's also against like the charmed ones.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's truly.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, I would leave if I'd be like, okay, girls,
have fun with your dead guy over here. And then
we're at Mark's funeral where you know, he tells me
to treasure my birthday because you don't know how many
you have, which doesn't mean anything, because what really means
(39:30):
something is this scene between Piper and Mark, and like
that connection between you guys as actors and how you
portrayed that was so great and it was so like
you almost like I kind of started crying a little
bit when I watched it because it was like, oh,
(39:51):
oh my god, that was so beautiful. And then like
a little dad showed up and you're like, no, please
don't go with the dad. Stay with Piper. Stay with Piper,
he's mine. Yeah, it was just but then you're like,
obviously he has to go, and at least his dad
is like greeting him and taking him into you know,
the after world. Yeah, and it's still a beautiful moment.
(40:15):
But like, yeah, and b kay, I don't. I don't
mean to because it was really the first time that
we saw Piper have that kind of like romance. So
I think it was really impactful. Obviously, like when you
fully come into the show, when you guys start your romance,
it's a different kind of a romance because it's not
(40:37):
one where she can't touch you, she can't do this,
she can't do that. It's more a one that you
realize they can actually have and it's also really beautiful
and wonderful. So I'm not gonna say sorry to you,
because I'll compliment you a lot later when you have
that relationship with her.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
We'll get to you. We'll get to You'll get to you.
But we're going to talk about John Show some more
right now.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Yes, it was my introduction into being a professional, Like
that was the first time I really learned what casts
do you know, how you take care of one another,
and that was really eye opening to me how you
were there for me and how you took care of
one another. I thought, Okay, this is how it's supposed
(41:21):
to be done, and I've taken that forward.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Having a good guest star that is as committed to
the moment as you are is like such a huge necessity.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
I was going to say the opposite, which is, I
was so felt so lucky to have you as my
acting partner because I was very green. I didn't know
what I was doing, and there's no way that I
could have stumbled through that without someone of your caliber.
And I was really I was watching it, and I
was reminded of my impression when I got home that night,
(41:52):
which is like, Holly is so simple, and I mean
that as the highest compliment. It is She's just saying
these words and meeting them, and I can't believe how
she can do this. And you know, for me, as
a young actor, you're trying to push so much, and
it was so interesting and instructive to watch you simply
(42:18):
mean the words.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I just.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
I was struck by it then so deeply, and I
was struck by.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
It on the rewatch. He's so wonderful. I'm such a
massive fan of his work, and he's so complimentary and
he's an intelligent actor. You can tell, like with how
he approaches not everything, like everything from Charmed all the
way till now. Just an incredible dude.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, so you have this beautiful, beautiful ending between Piper
and Mark.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I don't know if I even caught this last time,
but I didn't realize that Graham's was the one that
taught Piper to cook and that whole scene that they
have where they find this common ground and love of
cooking and they like the same books. Sorry, BK, but
it was just it was so everything about it was great,
and I was like, how did I not remember, like
(43:13):
the whole cooking thing and Graham's being the one and
you know, being a chef. But then I became a hostess,
and you know, it's all downhill from there.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Then he became a night club owner and a bartender
standing on bars dancing.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah that was one time, one time.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
But anyway, like it's it was weird to me that
we would and I get that every episode needs like
a button on it, but to go from that beautiful
thing to like now we're back at the house and
there's like.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Oh yeah the Funerals after party. Yes, when I.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
See Andy there and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Why are we back on these dudies literally lurking in
the back rind. Here comes Andy like a shark.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I was just like, why did we have to go
back there? Like why couldn't we have ended it with
you know, you guys or him walking away with his dad,
but then like stopping and turning back and you two
just having this moment and just in the show on that,
because that to me was you know what the show,
the show was really about, like love and that episode
(44:25):
and what you do for love and how you fight
for love and how you have to give things up
for love, and yeah, I just wanted it to in there.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I feel like it was a spelling thing where they
always wanted to end on like a light, lighthearted moment. Basically, Yeah,
I think like I feel like that's a note. It
would have been like a network or a producer note
being like, oh, but we have to wrap it up
in a happy bow tie with Andy lurking.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah. Yeah, although it was a great episode.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, I agree, that was a tough moment to go
from like this really powerful beautifully executed scene by everyone too,
like oh now it's a party and we're just now
all laughing and smiling and happy.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know, props to Piper who can
go like, lose the love of her life, sorry to
be gay, and then be like, but I still pulled
off the surprise party.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
First love of your life?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yes, first love, I would say, that's not the love
of your life. Okay, all right, you knew him for
a day, Yeah, he's a days.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
I brought him blankets. We slept together. I mean no,
we didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
You didn't really sleep together.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Nobody slept that night.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Back to the warehouse.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
All right. So that was was episode four.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Dead Man Dating, dead.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Man Dating even like the title where no one sleeps,
like everything about it.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Usually these titles are like a like a witty spin
on something like something wika. This way comes what what's
dead man dating? Based like what's the what's the witty?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
He's dead but he's trying to date.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Well, it's it's dead man walking.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Dead man walking?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yet it so fantastic job Holly especially, all right, all right,
thanks guys,
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