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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
We are having a time with this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Look.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I don't want to turn it into a jogic Slanders
session because he's a phenomenal player. But I feel like
we're doing a lot of course correct now because shit
was getting outrageous for a second, bro, Like we were
seeing like we had fucking stan Van Gundy saying he's
the greatest basketball player of all time on Zach Woll's
pot like a couple months back, like, oh yeah, you
know the there's been.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
At the loop.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's been a widely held sentiment with a lot of
folks that he's the greatest offensive player ever. And that's
something that I just never, you know, ascribed to. I've
always been on the side of Bron with that because
we've seen Bron lift way worse rosters to weigh higher levels.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So well, also, aren't a white basketball writer who works
for the Ringer. There's that too, which the chances you
think he's the best offensive player.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Of all time, I think Yokic is phenomenal. I think
he's an all time great. I think his run is
the best in the world. I think it's over and
I think he's top five at the worst. He's my
personal top three. Like it's it's Sga, Winny and him
for me on my personal list. So, like I said,
it's not a slander session, there's just been some course
correction here because when you when you look at the
last three seasons and the way that they've been informed,
(01:20):
where Minnesota is spanked them by forty to send them home.
Then we saw him get clamped up by six ft
five Caruso in Game seven last year. Then this this
series where the best player goes out for three games,
the starting point guard goes out for three games. You
are facing a depleted roster, and Rudy Gobert has the
fucking series of his life, and you get your you
(01:42):
get Jaden fucking McDaniels, who's gonna live forever a fucking
legend called that team out, said their defenses week, called
y'all out by name. Jaden McDaniels has thirty two to
ten last night, and they send that squad home with
sixty four paint points. Like, look, I know Jokic is
the next step in the evolution of basketball. Points center
is a term that would have melted our fucking brains
fifteen years ago, right, Like, he is a very important
(02:05):
part in the history of basketball and the evolution of basketball.
Never seen a player like him. But what we've seen
lately is that, bro, your five has to defend the paint.
There's just no way around that. There's just no way around,
because we've seen a team that has perhaps the best
paint defender in the league with Gobert send them home
too out of the last three seasons, you know, So,
like I said.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't want to do a slander session. I know,
I know a lot of motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I don't even feel like people necessarily hate Yokis personally.
I think they hate the kind of kind of you know,
there's a very certain crowd that has elevated him to
levels that a lot of us weren't really going with.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I mean that's how I felt about it. Like, and
I know I was getting called a Yokic hater. I
know I've said some reckless course.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Correct, you aren't dead as serious though you knew it
was reckless, but it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Bothered me for the reason, and we talked about it
on the pot. Why is there a cap on how
many MVPs Brawn or Shaq or MJ or Kobe could win?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But this dude, there's no cap. Why is that? Yeah,
he's over against fifty teams in the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I mean he didn't get he didn't he's won three.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
He hasn't.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But it's like they're talking about like there shouldn't be
like he should be able to win whatever. And we
saw that with Braun and them, Like you get to
a third m VP in a row and people literally
start saying like three in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Like won five back to back, you know what I'm saying.
But it didn't happen with him, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
yeah and that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But the argument for why it didn't happen was that
he's the best of all time, right, And I have
no problem sort of like what backing off like people
being upset about the discourse about the great, like elevating
him to like the best center of all time, the
best like that is he hasn't won.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
One playoff series against a fifty win team. That that's.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
The way we look at I know, but like so,
but so, why should rules that apply to Lebron James
not applied?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yes, because that was that was wrong? Though that was sure,
those were wrong, Why should we watch it? You know,
I mean wrong rules to more people. That's stupid.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, but but I think that speaks to how we
like m vps don't decide if you're the greatest of
all time. You know, you might have been the greatest
of that era. But we're looking at basketball as a whole.
Is it changed our perspective of how we look at that,
you know what I mean? Now, I mean I do
rejection like that was a it was a stupid rule
with Broun. Why continue the stupid rule?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
And I don't think just because he had more VPS
and Brown he's better than Broun. That's a that's a
very you know.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But that is how those voters think of that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's how those voters's how they thought was for that's night,
I have the sword.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And I am knighting this. That's how they think. They
don't think of it, man, they don't decide that for everybody.
You know what I'm saying, Like I.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Agree with I just personal level but that But that's
my point to what Tyler was saying about about the
course correction is that was the narrative, and it was
a narrative that was pushed by the new media and
the big voices in basketball media who have trended analytically,
who have trended towards AAU is making lazy American basketball players.
(05:05):
But these Europeans play the game the right way.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I don't. It smells bad to me. That's like a motherfucker,
it smells bad to me.
You're about to hear a clip from one of our
Patreon exclusive episodes. To hear the entire episode, sign up
now at patreon dot com. Slash Jenkins and Jones.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We are having a time with this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Look.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I don't want to turn it into a jogic Slanders
session because he's a phenomenal player. But I feel like
we're doing a lot of course correct now because shit
was getting outrageous for a second, bro, Like we were
seeing like we had fucking stan Van Gundy saying he's
the greatest basketball player of all time on Zach Woll's
pot like a couple months back, like, oh yeah, you
know the there's been.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
At the loop.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's been a widely held sentiment with a lot of
folks that he's the greatest offensive player ever. And that's
something that I just never, you know, ascribed to. I've
always been on the side of Bron with that because
we've seen Bron lift way worse rosters to weigh higher levels.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So well, also, aren't a white basketball writer who works
for the Ringer. There's that too, which the chances you
think he's the best offensive player.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Of all time, I think Yokic is phenomenal. I think
he's an all time great. I think his run is
the best in the world. I think it's over and
I think he's top five at the worst. He's my
personal top three. Like it's it's Sga, Winny and him
for me on my personal list. So, like I said,
it's not a slander session, there's just been some course
correction here because when you when you look at the
last three seasons and the way that they've been informed,
(01:20):
where Minnesota is spanked them by forty to send them home.
Then we saw him get clamped up by six ft
five Caruso in Game seven last year. Then this this
series where the best player goes out for three games,
the starting point guard goes out for three games. You
are facing a depleted roster, and Rudy Gobert has the
fucking series of his life, and you get your you
(01:42):
get Jaden fucking McDaniels, who's gonna live forever a fucking
legend called that team out, said their defenses week, called
y'all out by name. Jaden McDaniels has thirty two to
ten last night, and they send that squad home with
sixty four paint points. Like, look, I know Jokic is
the next step in the evolution of basketball. Points center
is a term that would have melted our fucking brains
fifteen years ago, right, Like, he is a very important
(02:05):
part in the history of basketball and the evolution of basketball.
Never seen a player like him. But what we've seen
lately is that, bro, your five has to defend the paint.
There's just no way around that. There's just no way around,
because we've seen a team that has perhaps the best
paint defender in the league with Gobert send them home
too out of the last three seasons, you know, So,
like I said.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't want to do a slander session. I know,
I know a lot of motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I don't even feel like people necessarily hate Yokis personally.
I think they hate the kind of kind of you know,
there's a very certain crowd that has elevated him to
levels that a lot of us weren't really going with.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I mean that's how I felt about it. Like, and
I know I was getting called a Yokic hater. I
know I've said some reckless course.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Correct, you aren't dead as serious though you knew it
was reckless, but it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Bothered me for the reason, and we talked about it
on the pot. Why is there a cap on how
many MVPs Brawn or Shaq or MJ or Kobe could win?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But this dude, there's no cap. Why is that? Yeah,
he's over against fifty teams in the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I mean he didn't get he didn't he's won three.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
He hasn't.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But it's like they're talking about like there shouldn't be
like he should be able to win whatever. And we
saw that with Braun and them, Like you get to
a third m VP in a row and people literally
start saying like three in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Like won five back to back, you know what I'm saying.
But it didn't happen with him, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
yeah and that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But the argument for why it didn't happen was that
he's the best of all time, right, And I have
no problem sort of like what backing off like people
being upset about the discourse about the great, like elevating
him to like the best center of all time, the
best like that is he hasn't won.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
One playoff series against a fifty win team. That that's.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
The way we look at I know, but like so,
but so, why should rules that apply to Lebron James
not applied?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yes, because that was that was wrong? Though that was sure,
those were wrong, Why should we watch it? You know,
I mean wrong rules to more people. That's stupid.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, but but I think that speaks to how we
like m vps don't decide if you're the greatest of
all time. You know, you might have been the greatest
of that era. But we're looking at basketball as a whole.
Is it changed our perspective of how we look at that,
you know what I mean? Now, I mean I do
rejection like that was a it was a stupid rule
with Broun. Why continue the stupid rule?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
And I don't think just because he had more VPS
and Brown he's better than Broun. That's a that's a
very you know.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But that is how those voters think of that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's how those voters's how they thought was for that's night,
I have the sword.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And I am knighting this. That's how they think. They
don't think of it, man, they don't decide that for everybody.
You know what I'm saying, Like I.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Agree with I just personal level but that But that's
my point to what Tyler was saying about about the
course correction is that was the narrative, and it was
a narrative that was pushed by the new media and
the big voices in basketball media who have trended analytically,
who have trended towards AAU is making lazy American basketball players.
(05:05):
But these Europeans play the game the right way.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I don't. It smells bad to me. That's like a motherfucker,
it smells bad to me.
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