October 31, 2025 • 33 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 2 (10/31) - USC Prof. Michael Mische and UC Berkley Prof. James Rector come on the show to talk about the possibility of CA's oil pipeline shutting down. More on the oil industry crisis in California. Newsom lied about his son not being a fan of Charlie Kirk to Elex Michaelson on CNN.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't I am six forty. You're listening to the John
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This is really important. You should be listening to this.
We've had Michael miche on several times. He's a professor
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from USC and he's coming on again along with James Rector,
a professor of Civil and Environmental engineering at UC Berkeley.
Rectors research focuses on oil and gas reservoir geophysics, among
other things. They are both coming on because we're at
a real crisis point here in California. We've told you
about this. You could look at good gas could be
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eight dollars a gallon, no kidding, Because we have two
major refineries closing in the next few months, one in
the Wilmington Carson area, the other up in northern California
in the Bay Area in Benetia, and when they close,
it means we will have lost twenty one percent of
California refinery capacity for gasoline twenty one percent, and California's
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crude production oil has fallen by sixty five percent in
the last twenty five years, and it keeps going down,
and this means a crisis. Newsom is trying feebly to
address it. And we're going to talk about this now
with Michael miche and from USC James Rector from UC Berkeley. Michael, welcome,
(01:32):
Hey John, great to be with you today, Thanks for
coming on. And Professor Rector welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
As well, John, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
All Right, I'm going to ask questions and you guys
can decide which among you want to answer it. You
have slightly different expertise. We'll start with you. Michael. What
is Newsome? You know he's really good at feeble public
relations moves. What is he publicly trying to do to
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address this oil and gas shortage?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, there's a couple of things that the governor has
brought forward. One, to his credit, he has acknowledged, regrettably
for his sake, that there's an oil and gas crisis
pending in California and a lot of the original research
that was done by many of us is relatively correct
in that effect. So he's brought forward this idea of
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SB two three seven, which is adding two thousand oil
permits a year and thinking that's going to increase production
and help save the pipeline. Along with the introduction of
ethanol E fifteen gasoline, thinking that's going to reduce the
prices wholesale by at least twenty cents a gallon. So
Professor Rector and I have been working on this together
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and come up with some really interesting results.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, Professor Record, what are those results give us an idea?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well, essentially, John FB two thirty seven is kind of
a band aid at this point. It's not a bad thing,
but it does not address the crisis in a way
that's going to do anything really substitute, particularly in the
near term, and that's primarily because it's opening up Kerrent County.
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Kerrent County has a lot of oil, but it's expensive
to get that oil, and with current crude oil prices
of fifty seven dollars a barrel or something like that,
it's just not that economic to go hog wild over there.
If the governor really wants to do something and address
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this problem, he's got to open up production in areas
like the La Basin and it offshore in Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Because it's cheaper to get the oil out of those areas.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Probably by fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well that's a lot. And yeah, and an offshare source
seems to be an area he'll never touch.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It doesn't seem so at this point. But I think
that there's a lot of new science that's coming out
or regurgitated old science that says that in some areas offshore,
it's actually a good thing to drill and produce oil,
particularly in the Sound Barber Channel because of all the
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seap emissions which dwarf any oil spill that'll ever happen
from a pipeline, I see.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So if they pump the oil out, then they'll be
less seepage. On the worship floor, let's talk about the pipeline.
It's called the Crimson pipeline. It's the major north south
artery here in the state. And Michael, you write it's
about to collapse and most likely will close by March
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thirty first, and this is because of a lack of
oil flowing through it. Can you can you explain it
so you know people listening can understand.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Sure, thank you, John. Pipeline And so there's two parts
through this pipeline. There's the front part, which is the
oil going in, and there's the back part, which is
the goal coming out, Well, you're losing a refinery up
north that's one of the consumers of the oil and
the pipeline, So that customer is going away and that
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demand is going away, so that part of the pipeline
is going to collapse simultaneously. As our work is shown
in Current County, we can produce more oil as a
result of two thirty seven, and Jamie can walk you
through the numbers, but the numbers don't suggest that they
will save the pipeline. In other words, they're insufficient. So
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what's happening simultaneously is on one end, there's no market
for the oil that's going away. On the other end,
they're not putting enough oil in the pipeline. So it's
just beginning the collapse, and that will be borderline catastrophic
for the state.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Is does it come to a point where the oil
industry has to shut the pipeline or it stops on
itself because of a lack of pressure, the way a
hydrant starts dribbling out water and then the firefighters can't
use it.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, yeah, I mean it's very similar in that sense.
So the operation of the pipeline has two components to
what we call it the double which is the engineering
and the economics. You need enough product in the pipeline
like a fire hydrant, to you have enough pressure to
move the product through the pipeline and come out the
other end, and there's not enough product in the pipeline
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for that. And then correspondingly, the pipeline is run by
an independent operator and they make their money off the
number of barrels flowing through the pipeline, so they have
operating costs, and if there's not enough barrels flowing through
the pipeline, they operate at a loss. And that's precisely
what's occurring right now at Crimson. I believe they're sustaining
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around two million dollars a month in losses and over
the core of time, you know, they cannot continue to
sustain that, so we can expect to collapse.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
James Michael said, you can tell us more about the
numbers involved here.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
In terms of the amount of oil going through the
pipeline at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah, how much is it going to drop by?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, if the pipeline shuts down, we're talking about fifty
sixty thousand barrels that don't reach say, the Bay area
from current County and that's a lot of that's a
lot of a lot of crude oil. What has to
happen then, is that that has to be made up
by other either transportation mechanisms, like you can still truck
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the oil from on I five from Current County to
the remaining Bay Area refinery, so you can do that.
But you can imagine that each each oil tanker maybe
has two hundred and fifty barrels of capacity, and you're
talking about trucking fifty thousand barrels, So you can kind
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of do the math as to how much increased trucking
that's going to be on iPod.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It's crazy. This is kind of staggering the extent of
the problem here.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, it is a big and as Jamie mentioned, now
if you do sixty thousand barrels to sort of put
that in in you know, regular terms for the rest
of us, that's that's a lot of gallons of gasoline. Okay,
that is like over two million gallons of gasoline.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So the whole gasoline market is going to collapse here,
and that's why the price is going to potentially be
so high.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You know they're ahead, sorry, go okay, the price will
hit the hardest in northern California versus southern But you know,
if you lose sixty thousand barrels of day in that
pipeline is as Professor Rectors has suggested, that's two point
five million gallons of gasolina day or two point five
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million gallons of oil a day not going north.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All right, hang on the line we're talking with speaking
was Michael mcchee, professor at USC and also James Rector,
professor UC Berkeley. And what we have here is a
collapse of our oil and gas industry in California because
of Gavin Newsom's absurd policies, regulations and taxes. We've got
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two refineries closing in California in a matter of months,
which can lead to the main North South pipeline collapsing
by the end of March, and you're going to have
a shortage of oil being produced in the North and
shortage of gas refinery activity going on as well. I mean,
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it's it's a complete mess, just a total mess. And
I want to talk about shortages when we come back.
All right, we'll continue with Michael McShane James Rector.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Next, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Let's continue now with Michael mcche professor at USC, James Rector,
Professor at UC Berkeley, and it's about the closing of
two O two gas refineries coming up in just a
few months, and with our oil production down to very
low levels, record low levels, we're going to have a
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major crisis. There's so little oil in the pipeline that
by March it may just shut down. Lack of oil,
lack of pressure just isn't going to work anymore. Let's
get to Michael mcchine James Rector back on the line.
Michael Newsom seems to be cornered here. Is there anything
he can do.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
He's got some options available to them as professor Oil,
and let's walk through those numbers. But there's enough bundance
of austral oil that can be brought into the system.
There's also oil in Los Angeles County that can be
brought into the system.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
All right, Michael, your your phone is your phone is malfunctioning.
So just let's make a new connection with Michael and
I'll talk to James Rector in the meantime. Uh So,
Michael is just talking about how there's there's there's oil
in the La Basin. There's oil offshore. Is that oil
easily recoverable now on short notice?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, that's a great question, John Uh. In fact, some
of it is and some of it isn't. For the
large majority of it, we're talking to the three years,
and we're still going to need oil in two to
three years, So that's doable as far as short term
and the pipeline supply issues to the Bay area. There
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is oil that can come online a roughly somewhere in
the range of twenty to fifty thousand barrels nearly immediately,
and that is offshore Santa Barbara in the Santa Anez Unit.
It's operated by a company known as Sable Offshore, and
they have been forwarded in bringing their oil to market
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because of because of the state essentially saying that the
pipeline that they are going to use to bring it
to Baker's Field is inadequate and they are basically stopping
them from bringing this oil to market. Now, even that
oil has issues because it can't go north, there really
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is no solution for going north other than trucking, importing
more gasoline, importing more oil, or somehow bringing oil via
rail from someplace like North Dakota. So he is kind
of against a wall with regards to northern California supply
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in the near term. And the problem with importing more
oil is that the terminals are pretty much full right now.
They can't handle any more imported oil. And there are
no pipelines. This is something that people don't realize. There
are no pipelines that come from anywhere in the United
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States to California. So either we get it via boat
or in state though are the only two options, or
by rail or truck.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
How quickly can they make deals with foreign country is
to get more oil sent here, assuming there was a
place to put it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, there's no place to put it. So the time
that it would take to get enough, get new terminals
built and new storage tanks, this crisis is months. That
would take years.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It seems like a lot of these potential solutions would
take years. So so, Michael, do people in Sacramento do
they I'm talking about the legislators here and people in
some administration, do they know in what kind of deep
do do they're in?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I think some of them do, But again I think
some of them are in denial. You'll hear, oh, the
market will take care of this. Well, the market will,
but not necessarily the way you wanted to, which you
know will result in increasing prices and things like that.
You know, I just did a quick calculation, and to
take care of those sixty thousand barrels of oil that
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Jamie talked about, if if they left the pipeline to
truck them up there, you would have over two hundred
additional trucks on I five a day going up and down,
going up and down that freeway. So I don't think Sacramento,
some of the some of the legislative members in Sacramento
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are honestly even capable of getting their head around some
of this, let alone coming up with a solution.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
This is a political earthquake, is it not.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well, you know, if you have national aspirations, you know,
if you have national aspirations for something like the presidency,
which perhaps the governor has, you know, it would be
very hard to go into other states saying hey, we
have really good clean air, but no gasoline an eight
or nine dollars a gallon gasoline prices and get away
with it. I mean, you know, you're looking at below
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three dollars a gallon in states like Louise, Vienna, in
Florida and some of these others.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Could he just suddenly reverse a lot of the taxes
and a lot of the regulations tonight? Would that change things?
Or would it take too long? Is there any I
guess would that stop the refineries from closing? If he
suddenly backed off on all this regulation and all these taxes.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, the taxes would have an immediate impact. If you
back down the California state excise tax, which is the
highest in the country at around sixty one point two
cents a gallon, if you backed that down to the
national average, you take thirty cents off of that, and
you and you be average at that, and that would
have a favorable impact on the consumer. But I don't
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think the refiners are in a position where they even
want to entertain staying in the state. And you can
base that on what we got from Ballero. Balero had
the state legislature, members of the CEC in the governor's office,
shopped the Valero refinery around and even threw as much
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as two hundred and eighty million dollars at them to
stay in the state. Valero wouldn't stay in the state,
and no one wanted to buy the refinery. So I
think I think California has really created a desperate situation
for itself through its attitude. It's very very hostile business
environment for the refiners and oil producers and its own
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legislative actions, and ultimately it's the hard work in California
who's going to bear that on their back?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
All right, thank you for coming on, Michael Miche from
USC and James Rector, thank you for coming on from
UC Berkeley. It was good talking with you.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Thank you, job Hie, Thanks John.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
There's a lot of good news there. We'll continue coming
up a little more of this.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Ron every day one until four after four o'clock John
Cobelt Show on Demand, Next Hour, Big Hour. We got
two routes of the moist line. At three twenty and
three fifty, we're gonna have State Senator Tony Strickland on
because Proposition fifty, which gets rid of that independent redistricting
Commission that everybody voted for back in twenty ten. Well,
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it's it's winning by twenty two points. According to one
pole A Berkeley IGS poll sixty to thirty eight. People
are willing to give away the independence of that Congressional
District Commission and give control over to Newsom and his cronies. Unbelievable.
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They're willing to give away their own rights because they're
so overcome with hatred for Trump. Ay yea yai. That's
why we are where we are. It's why we have
gasoline that averages four to sixty two. I just looked
up you're not going to believe this. I looked up
the national prices around the country because last half hour, Boy,
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you should listen to the last half hour. Do it
sometime tonight this weekend, all right, when you get sick
of all the Halloween stuff, listen to the half hour
he just did with two professors, Michael MChE from the
USC and James Rector from UC Berkeley, and they'll explain
to you how the gas could get to eight dollars
a gallon early next year because we got two refineries
closing and our one major North South pipeline may be
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shut down. We have a lack of oil being produced,
and we have a lack of refinery capacity. Now we're
gonna lose twenty percent of the refinery capacity and we've
lost two thirds of the oil production, all right, and
Newsom is flapping around like a fish that flipped on
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its back on the beach. He doesn't know what to do.
He doesn't have a way out of this. I mean,
I think we went through a pretty detailed the list
of well what about if Newsom did this and did that,
And it's not much you can do rescrewed, but go ahead,
give him and his buddies control over how they draw
congressional districts. That's really smart. Listen to the gas prices.
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National average is three dollars and four cents. Uh, but
there are thirty four states that are selling gas for
under three dollars. Thirty four states the average price is
under three dollars. That is over sixty percent of the country,
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almost seventy percent. Texas gas price two fifty seven a
gallon two point fifty seven. In California it's four sixty two.
We are over two dollars more than what they sell
gas for in Texas and in Oklahoma at in Mississippi.
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Add in Arkansas and in Louisiana over two dollars more.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You know, it's not even democratic states, because New Jersey
is at two ninety five, Rhode Island is two ninety one,
Minnesota is two eighty seven. This is jess Newsome. New
York is even three ten, just a few cents above
the average. We're sitting there all by ourselves four sixty two,
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entirely due to our regulations in taxes. Michael mcche we
just had on, has done many reports on this. It
is mind boggling that he does this, and the Democratic
legislature mind boggling. There's thirty four states below three dollars
a gallon. There's ten more below three thirty six a gallon.
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So forty four states aut of fifty are below three
thirty six gallon. We're at for sixty two every day,
all day long. Many places are five bucks a gallon.
So it's coming. You don't have to be a graduate
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have a graduate degree in economics to know that if
you cut the refinery capacity by twenty one percent and
the oil production is already cut by sixty five percent,
and our oil pipeline is shut down and all for what?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
For what?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Now we're going to have to buy oil from dirty countries,
countries with far less clean refinering than clean refining than
we have. It's going to be transported on ships that
are going to be belting all kinds of exhaust across
all the oceans. We might have to have trucks, tanker trucks,
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hundreds of them, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them
every day take an oil from the Bakersfield area up
to northern California. What kind of insanity is this? This
is so crazy, and Newsom is waving this little feeble
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legislation he passed approving two thousand new wells each year
for the next ten years. Way too little, way too late.
Takes way too long to get the oil out of there.
And that's the expense of oil. As Michael McShane James
Rector told us, the cheaper oil is sitting right off shore.
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Look the coast of Santa Barbara. Those oil wells are
already running. The oil is close to the surface. We
could get that quickly and inexpensively. Newsom won't do that.
We also have a lot of accessible oil here in
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the La Basin. Let me read to you again from
the first paragraph of the research and there's a third
professor I should mention, Joseph Sylvie of UC Berkeley, He
and rector and Miche says California's instate oil production has
declined by approximately sixty five percent since two thousand and one.
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Its dependency on foreign imports has risen seventy percent. So
this has done nothing for the atmosphere and for the climate.
Whatever we did not produce here was produced somewhere else
and was shipped here, adding even more exhaust to the atmosphere.
Incredibly stupid. Refinery capacity has fallen twenty one percent since
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twenty twenty three, gasoline demand largely unchanged, and whatever they
start producing now in Kerrent County down the road not
enough to offset the statewide decline, will not stabilize our
situation here. California Globe reported this week that california self
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inflicted gas side crisis is a direct threat to US
military force readiness on the West Coast. There's only seven
refineries capable of producing California compliance fuels. After these two close,
we're going to have to get oil gas from Iraq, Ecuador, Brazil, Russia, Iran, Venezuela,
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all the terrorist countries, all the war modering belligerent countries.
California prices are over fifty percent higher than the US average.
We're looking eight dollars a gallon next year. I feel
like I'm in an insane asylum.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
When we come back. A little levity involving Newsom. Newsom
has now told another big lie that he was caught on.
He's gone on two different podcasts and said two completely
opposite things involving Charlie Kirk and his son. You have
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to hear this to really appreciate the depth of his
pathological lieing and his narcissistic, psychopathic personality. He'll even drag
He'll even drag Charlie Kirk and Newsom's own son into
his sick mind.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
You're listening to John Cobbel demand from KFI.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Tony Strickland coming up after three o'clock. Right, that's three o'clock.
Prop fifty leading by twenty two points. It kills that
independent commission to redraw the congressional districts, and now the
duty goes to Newsom's buddies. He has whipped up so
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much anger against Donald Trump that people can't see straight.
And they don't even know they're giving away their own
rights to have an independent commission draw the district lies.
It's just It's like a massive nervous breakdown. They trust
Newsom no matter how much he lies. This is a whopper.
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This is you talk about pathological. I'm gonna play two clips.
Remember when Newsom was talking to Charlie Kirk and and
he's telling Kirk that Newsome's thirteen year old son is
a big fan and wants to meet Charlie. Let's play
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cut six.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
The worst part though, Charlie, no'll be a true story.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed,
He's like, no, Dad, I just what time?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
What time is Charlie gonna be here?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What time?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And I'm like, dude, you're in school. Tomorrow's thirteen.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
He's like, no, no, this morning wakes up and six up
and he's like I'm coming.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. Did
you let him take off school?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
He did, of course not. He's not here for a
good reason. But the point is the cancel school for
like two years once one got the point is the point,
which is you are making a damn dead.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I'm kidding, no, but I know, and I but I
appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I mean, it's the reason you're here because I think
people need to understand your success, your influence, what you've
been up to, and the fact that you're on these
college campus stores.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And to your point, man, you just open up.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I mean you're like, ask me anything, anything, challenge me.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
To stop here. You can stop here. You heard that
clearly right. Alex Michaelson talks to Newsom a couple of
days ago. Alex has got a new show on CNN.
It's on nine o'clock every night out here. Uh, he's
talking to news about his son being a Charlie Kirk fan.
Now hear what Newsom has to say.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Your son obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk. What was
the conversation like between you and your son? After Charlie
Kirk was assassinate he called me.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I don't know how he got a phone, but he
called me from school that day, really alarmed, and all
his friends were around the phone that wanted me to
us about express or understand what was going on.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
He wanted to know if he was dead.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
He wasn't a fan of him as much as it
was familiar with him. And it was very revelatory for
me because she stopped stop.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He said he literally did not want to go to
school because he wanted to go right, Let's play let's
play a first clip again here, Challenge me, challenge me
when of this one of the now played from the beginning.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
The worst part though, Charlie no bes true story.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed,
He's like, no, Dad, I just what time?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
What time is Charlie gonna be here?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What time?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
And I'm like, dude, you're in school. Tomorrow's thirteen.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
He's like, no, no, this morning, wakes up and sticks
up and he's like, I'm coming.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I'm like he literally would not leave the house. Did
you let him take off school?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
He did, of course not. He's not here for a
good reason. But the point is the cancel school for
like two years once.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
The point is the point?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
All right, stop stop pretty definitive, isn't it. I'm not
imagining things. I'm not having this time. Okay, sometimes there's
voices in my head. I know this time You're spot on,
all right? Restart cut seven to the beginning. Play Elex
talking to Newsome, your.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Son obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
What was the conversation like between you and your son
after Charlie Kirk was assassin.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He called me.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
I don't know how he got a phone, but he
called me from school that day, really alarmed, and all
his friends were around the phone. That wanted made us
about the express or understand what was going on. He
wanted to know if he was dead. He wasn't a
fan of him, as much as it was familiar with him,
and it was very revelatory.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
And also, his son doesn't have a phone.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
He doesn't know how his son got a phone. I
don't know how he got a phone, because your phones
are hard to come by these days. I think that's
because of the whole school rule of not having phones
in school anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Maybe, but of course his son has a phone. Yeah,
the governor's son has a phone. I'm sure that's the
security thing. You believe that, yeah, and thinks you do.
I believe, yes, I do. Unfortunately, he starts telling a
story about how his son, with all his friends gathered
around him, is calling Newsome because he heard that he
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got shot and wanted to know if he's alive. And
as soon as Newsom tells that story suddenly stops himself. Well,
he wasn't really fan, he was just familiar with it.
What's wrong with you. I mean, he stops on a
dime and pivots and lies. Well, the most implausible, why imaginable?
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Your son wouldn't be calling you if he was just
familiar with somebody. Now that that's like a mental illness,
that really is. He's got more than a couple of
screws loose in his head. But hey, trust him, and
he's getting rid of that independent commission to draw the
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congressional districts. His friends are going to be doing it now.
Of course it's all for our benefit. Just remember how
much you hate Trump. That's all he's working on here,
whipping up the anger against Trump. And by time Newsom runs,
Trump is a lame duck and he's not going to
be his competition, don't I don't really understand all this.
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All right, we'll talk to State Senator Tony Strickland coming
up proposition fifty, winning by twenty two points, says this
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This is really important. You should be listening to this.
We've had Michael miche on several times. He's a professor
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from USC and he's coming on again along with James Rector,
a professor of Civil and Environmental engineering at UC Berkeley.
Rectors research focuses on oil and gas reservoir geophysics, among
other things. They are both coming on because we're at
a real crisis point here in California. We've told you
about this. You could look at good gas could be
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eight dollars a gallon, no kidding, Because we have two
major refineries closing in the next few months, one in
the Wilmington Carson area, the other up in northern California
in the Bay Area in Benetia, and when they close,
it means we will have lost twenty one percent of
California refinery capacity for gasoline twenty one percent, and California's
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crude production oil has fallen by sixty five percent in
the last twenty five years, and it keeps going down,
and this means a crisis. Newsom is trying feebly to
address it. And we're going to talk about this now
with Michael miche and from USC James Rector from UC Berkeley. Michael, welcome,
(01:32):
Hey John, great to be with you today, Thanks for
coming on. And Professor Rector welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
As well, John, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
All Right, I'm going to ask questions and you guys
can decide which among you want to answer it. You
have slightly different expertise. We'll start with you. Michael. What
is Newsome? You know he's really good at feeble public
relations moves. What is he publicly trying to do to
(02:02):
address this oil and gas shortage?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, there's a couple of things that the governor has
brought forward. One, to his credit, he has acknowledged, regrettably
for his sake, that there's an oil and gas crisis
pending in California and a lot of the original research
that was done by many of us is relatively correct
in that effect. So he's brought forward this idea of
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SB two three seven, which is adding two thousand oil
permits a year and thinking that's going to increase production
and help save the pipeline. Along with the introduction of
ethanol E fifteen gasoline, thinking that's going to reduce the
prices wholesale by at least twenty cents a gallon. So
Professor Rector and I have been working on this together
(02:47):
and come up with some really interesting results.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, Professor Record, what are those results give us an idea?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well, essentially, John FB two thirty seven is kind of
a band aid at this point. It's not a bad thing,
but it does not address the crisis in a way
that's going to do anything really substitute, particularly in the
near term, and that's primarily because it's opening up Kerrent County.
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Kerrent County has a lot of oil, but it's expensive
to get that oil, and with current crude oil prices
of fifty seven dollars a barrel or something like that,
it's just not that economic to go hog wild over there.
If the governor really wants to do something and address
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this problem, he's got to open up production in areas
like the La Basin and it offshore in Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Because it's cheaper to get the oil out of those areas.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Probably by fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well that's a lot. And yeah, and an offshare source
seems to be an area he'll never touch.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It doesn't seem so at this point. But I think
that there's a lot of new science that's coming out
or regurgitated old science that says that in some areas offshore,
it's actually a good thing to drill and produce oil,
particularly in the Sound Barber Channel because of all the
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seap emissions which dwarf any oil spill that'll ever happen
from a pipeline, I see.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So if they pump the oil out, then they'll be
less seepage. On the worship floor, let's talk about the pipeline.
It's called the Crimson pipeline. It's the major north south
artery here in the state. And Michael, you write it's
about to collapse and most likely will close by March
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thirty first, and this is because of a lack of
oil flowing through it. Can you can you explain it
so you know people listening can understand.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Sure, thank you, John. Pipeline And so there's two parts
through this pipeline. There's the front part, which is the
oil going in, and there's the back part, which is
the goal coming out, Well, you're losing a refinery up
north that's one of the consumers of the oil and
the pipeline, So that customer is going away and that
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demand is going away, so that part of the pipeline
is going to collapse simultaneously. As our work is shown
in Current County, we can produce more oil as a
result of two thirty seven, and Jamie can walk you
through the numbers, but the numbers don't suggest that they
will save the pipeline. In other words, they're insufficient. So
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what's happening simultaneously is on one end, there's no market
for the oil that's going away. On the other end,
they're not putting enough oil in the pipeline. So it's
just beginning the collapse, and that will be borderline catastrophic
for the state.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Is does it come to a point where the oil
industry has to shut the pipeline or it stops on
itself because of a lack of pressure, the way a
hydrant starts dribbling out water and then the firefighters can't
use it.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, yeah, I mean it's very similar in that sense.
So the operation of the pipeline has two components to
what we call it the double which is the engineering
and the economics. You need enough product in the pipeline
like a fire hydrant, to you have enough pressure to
move the product through the pipeline and come out the
other end, and there's not enough product in the pipeline
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for that. And then correspondingly, the pipeline is run by
an independent operator and they make their money off the
number of barrels flowing through the pipeline, so they have
operating costs, and if there's not enough barrels flowing through
the pipeline, they operate at a loss. And that's precisely
what's occurring right now at Crimson. I believe they're sustaining
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around two million dollars a month in losses and over
the core of time, you know, they cannot continue to
sustain that, so we can expect to collapse.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
James Michael said, you can tell us more about the
numbers involved here.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
In terms of the amount of oil going through the
pipeline at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah, how much is it going to drop by?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, if the pipeline shuts down, we're talking about fifty
sixty thousand barrels that don't reach say, the Bay area
from current County and that's a lot of that's a
lot of a lot of crude oil. What has to
happen then, is that that has to be made up
by other either transportation mechanisms, like you can still truck
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the oil from on I five from Current County to
the remaining Bay Area refinery, so you can do that.
But you can imagine that each each oil tanker maybe
has two hundred and fifty barrels of capacity, and you're
talking about trucking fifty thousand barrels, So you can kind
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of do the math as to how much increased trucking
that's going to be on iPod.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It's crazy. This is kind of staggering the extent of
the problem here.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, it is a big and as Jamie mentioned, now
if you do sixty thousand barrels to sort of put
that in in you know, regular terms for the rest
of us, that's that's a lot of gallons of gasoline. Okay,
that is like over two million gallons of gasoline.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So the whole gasoline market is going to collapse here,
and that's why the price is going to potentially be
so high.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You know they're ahead, sorry, go okay, the price will
hit the hardest in northern California versus southern But you know,
if you lose sixty thousand barrels of day in that
pipeline is as Professor Rectors has suggested, that's two point
five million gallons of gasolina day or two point five
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million gallons of oil a day not going north.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All right, hang on the line we're talking with speaking
was Michael mcchee, professor at USC and also James Rector,
professor UC Berkeley. And what we have here is a
collapse of our oil and gas industry in California because
of Gavin Newsom's absurd policies, regulations and taxes. We've got
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two refineries closing in California in a matter of months,
which can lead to the main North South pipeline collapsing
by the end of March, and you're going to have
a shortage of oil being produced in the North and
shortage of gas refinery activity going on as well. I mean,
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it's it's a complete mess, just a total mess. And
I want to talk about shortages when we come back.
All right, we'll continue with Michael McShane James Rector.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Next, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Let's continue now with Michael mcche professor at USC, James Rector,
Professor at UC Berkeley, and it's about the closing of
two O two gas refineries coming up in just a
few months, and with our oil production down to very
low levels, record low levels, we're going to have a
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major crisis. There's so little oil in the pipeline that
by March it may just shut down. Lack of oil,
lack of pressure just isn't going to work anymore. Let's
get to Michael mcchine James Rector back on the line.
Michael Newsom seems to be cornered here. Is there anything
he can do.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
He's got some options available to them as professor Oil,
and let's walk through those numbers. But there's enough bundance
of austral oil that can be brought into the system.
There's also oil in Los Angeles County that can be
brought into the system.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
All right, Michael, your your phone is your phone is malfunctioning.
So just let's make a new connection with Michael and
I'll talk to James Rector in the meantime. Uh So,
Michael is just talking about how there's there's there's oil
in the La Basin. There's oil offshore. Is that oil
easily recoverable now on short notice?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, that's a great question, John Uh. In fact, some
of it is and some of it isn't. For the
large majority of it, we're talking to the three years,
and we're still going to need oil in two to
three years, So that's doable as far as short term
and the pipeline supply issues to the Bay area. There
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is oil that can come online a roughly somewhere in
the range of twenty to fifty thousand barrels nearly immediately,
and that is offshore Santa Barbara in the Santa Anez Unit.
It's operated by a company known as Sable Offshore, and
they have been forwarded in bringing their oil to market
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because of because of the state essentially saying that the
pipeline that they are going to use to bring it
to Baker's Field is inadequate and they are basically stopping
them from bringing this oil to market. Now, even that
oil has issues because it can't go north, there really
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is no solution for going north other than trucking, importing
more gasoline, importing more oil, or somehow bringing oil via
rail from someplace like North Dakota. So he is kind
of against a wall with regards to northern California supply
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in the near term. And the problem with importing more
oil is that the terminals are pretty much full right now.
They can't handle any more imported oil. And there are
no pipelines. This is something that people don't realize. There
are no pipelines that come from anywhere in the United
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States to California. So either we get it via boat
or in state though are the only two options, or
by rail or truck.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
How quickly can they make deals with foreign country is
to get more oil sent here, assuming there was a
place to put it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, there's no place to put it. So the time
that it would take to get enough, get new terminals
built and new storage tanks, this crisis is months. That
would take years.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It seems like a lot of these potential solutions would
take years. So so, Michael, do people in Sacramento do
they I'm talking about the legislators here and people in
some administration, do they know in what kind of deep
do do they're in?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I think some of them do, But again I think
some of them are in denial. You'll hear, oh, the
market will take care of this. Well, the market will,
but not necessarily the way you wanted to, which you
know will result in increasing prices and things like that.
You know, I just did a quick calculation, and to
take care of those sixty thousand barrels of oil that
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Jamie talked about, if if they left the pipeline to
truck them up there, you would have over two hundred
additional trucks on I five a day going up and down,
going up and down that freeway. So I don't think Sacramento,
some of the some of the legislative members in Sacramento
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are honestly even capable of getting their head around some
of this, let alone coming up with a solution.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
This is a political earthquake, is it not.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well, you know, if you have national aspirations, you know,
if you have national aspirations for something like the presidency,
which perhaps the governor has, you know, it would be
very hard to go into other states saying hey, we
have really good clean air, but no gasoline an eight
or nine dollars a gallon gasoline prices and get away
with it. I mean, you know, you're looking at below
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three dollars a gallon in states like Louise, Vienna, in
Florida and some of these others.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Could he just suddenly reverse a lot of the taxes
and a lot of the regulations tonight? Would that change things?
Or would it take too long? Is there any I
guess would that stop the refineries from closing? If he
suddenly backed off on all this regulation and all these taxes.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, the taxes would have an immediate impact. If you
back down the California state excise tax, which is the
highest in the country at around sixty one point two
cents a gallon, if you backed that down to the
national average, you take thirty cents off of that, and
you and you be average at that, and that would
have a favorable impact on the consumer. But I don't
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think the refiners are in a position where they even
want to entertain staying in the state. And you can
base that on what we got from Ballero. Balero had
the state legislature, members of the CEC in the governor's office,
shopped the Valero refinery around and even threw as much
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as two hundred and eighty million dollars at them to
stay in the state. Valero wouldn't stay in the state,
and no one wanted to buy the refinery. So I
think I think California has really created a desperate situation
for itself through its attitude. It's very very hostile business
environment for the refiners and oil producers and its own
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legislative actions, and ultimately it's the hard work in California
who's going to bear that on their back?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
All right, thank you for coming on, Michael Miche from
USC and James Rector, thank you for coming on from
UC Berkeley. It was good talking with you.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Thank you, job Hie, Thanks John.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
There's a lot of good news there. We'll continue coming
up a little more of this.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Ron every day one until four after four o'clock John
Cobelt Show on Demand, Next Hour, Big Hour. We got
two routes of the moist line. At three twenty and
three fifty, we're gonna have State Senator Tony Strickland on
because Proposition fifty, which gets rid of that independent redistricting
Commission that everybody voted for back in twenty ten. Well,
(18:19):
it's it's winning by twenty two points. According to one
pole A Berkeley IGS poll sixty to thirty eight. People
are willing to give away the independence of that Congressional
District Commission and give control over to Newsom and his cronies. Unbelievable.
(18:41):
They're willing to give away their own rights because they're
so overcome with hatred for Trump. Ay yea yai. That's
why we are where we are. It's why we have
gasoline that averages four to sixty two. I just looked
up you're not going to believe this. I looked up
the national prices around the country because last half hour, Boy,
(19:04):
you should listen to the last half hour. Do it
sometime tonight this weekend, all right, when you get sick
of all the Halloween stuff, listen to the half hour
he just did with two professors, Michael MChE from the
USC and James Rector from UC Berkeley, and they'll explain
to you how the gas could get to eight dollars
a gallon early next year because we got two refineries
closing and our one major North South pipeline may be
(19:27):
shut down. We have a lack of oil being produced,
and we have a lack of refinery capacity. Now we're
gonna lose twenty percent of the refinery capacity and we've
lost two thirds of the oil production, all right, and
Newsom is flapping around like a fish that flipped on
(19:47):
its back on the beach. He doesn't know what to do.
He doesn't have a way out of this. I mean,
I think we went through a pretty detailed the list
of well what about if Newsom did this and did that,
And it's not much you can do rescrewed, but go ahead,
give him and his buddies control over how they draw
congressional districts. That's really smart. Listen to the gas prices.
(20:11):
National average is three dollars and four cents. Uh, but
there are thirty four states that are selling gas for
under three dollars. Thirty four states the average price is
under three dollars. That is over sixty percent of the country,
(20:36):
almost seventy percent. Texas gas price two fifty seven a
gallon two point fifty seven. In California it's four sixty two.
We are over two dollars more than what they sell
gas for in Texas and in Oklahoma at in Mississippi.
(21:01):
Add in Arkansas and in Louisiana over two dollars more.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You know, it's not even democratic states, because New Jersey
is at two ninety five, Rhode Island is two ninety one,
Minnesota is two eighty seven. This is jess Newsome. New
York is even three ten, just a few cents above
the average. We're sitting there all by ourselves four sixty two,
(21:33):
entirely due to our regulations in taxes. Michael mcche we
just had on, has done many reports on this. It
is mind boggling that he does this, and the Democratic
legislature mind boggling. There's thirty four states below three dollars
a gallon. There's ten more below three thirty six a gallon.
(21:54):
So forty four states aut of fifty are below three
thirty six gallon. We're at for sixty two every day,
all day long. Many places are five bucks a gallon.
So it's coming. You don't have to be a graduate
(22:17):
have a graduate degree in economics to know that if
you cut the refinery capacity by twenty one percent and
the oil production is already cut by sixty five percent,
and our oil pipeline is shut down and all for what?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
For what?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Now we're going to have to buy oil from dirty countries,
countries with far less clean refinering than clean refining than
we have. It's going to be transported on ships that
are going to be belting all kinds of exhaust across
all the oceans. We might have to have trucks, tanker trucks,
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hundreds of them, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them
every day take an oil from the Bakersfield area up
to northern California. What kind of insanity is this? This
is so crazy, and Newsom is waving this little feeble
(23:24):
legislation he passed approving two thousand new wells each year
for the next ten years. Way too little, way too late.
Takes way too long to get the oil out of there.
And that's the expense of oil. As Michael McShane James
Rector told us, the cheaper oil is sitting right off shore.
(23:46):
Look the coast of Santa Barbara. Those oil wells are
already running. The oil is close to the surface. We
could get that quickly and inexpensively. Newsom won't do that.
We also have a lot of accessible oil here in
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the La Basin. Let me read to you again from
the first paragraph of the research and there's a third
professor I should mention, Joseph Sylvie of UC Berkeley, He
and rector and Miche says California's instate oil production has
declined by approximately sixty five percent since two thousand and one.
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Its dependency on foreign imports has risen seventy percent. So
this has done nothing for the atmosphere and for the climate.
Whatever we did not produce here was produced somewhere else
and was shipped here, adding even more exhaust to the atmosphere.
Incredibly stupid. Refinery capacity has fallen twenty one percent since
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twenty twenty three, gasoline demand largely unchanged, and whatever they
start producing now in Kerrent County down the road not
enough to offset the statewide decline, will not stabilize our
situation here. California Globe reported this week that california self
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inflicted gas side crisis is a direct threat to US
military force readiness on the West Coast. There's only seven
refineries capable of producing California compliance fuels. After these two close,
we're going to have to get oil gas from Iraq, Ecuador, Brazil, Russia, Iran, Venezuela,
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all the terrorist countries, all the war modering belligerent countries.
California prices are over fifty percent higher than the US average.
We're looking eight dollars a gallon next year. I feel
like I'm in an insane asylum.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
When we come back. A little levity involving Newsom. Newsom
has now told another big lie that he was caught on.
He's gone on two different podcasts and said two completely
opposite things involving Charlie Kirk and his son. You have
(26:35):
to hear this to really appreciate the depth of his
pathological lieing and his narcissistic, psychopathic personality. He'll even drag
He'll even drag Charlie Kirk and Newsom's own son into
his sick mind.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
You're listening to John Cobbel demand from KFI.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Tony Strickland coming up after three o'clock. Right, that's three o'clock.
Prop fifty leading by twenty two points. It kills that
independent commission to redraw the congressional districts, and now the
duty goes to Newsom's buddies. He has whipped up so
(27:24):
much anger against Donald Trump that people can't see straight.
And they don't even know they're giving away their own
rights to have an independent commission draw the district lies.
It's just It's like a massive nervous breakdown. They trust
Newsom no matter how much he lies. This is a whopper.
(27:47):
This is you talk about pathological. I'm gonna play two clips.
Remember when Newsom was talking to Charlie Kirk and and
he's telling Kirk that Newsome's thirteen year old son is
a big fan and wants to meet Charlie. Let's play
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cut six.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
The worst part though, Charlie, no'll be a true story.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed,
He's like, no, Dad, I just what time?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
What time is Charlie gonna be here?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What time?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And I'm like, dude, you're in school. Tomorrow's thirteen.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
He's like, no, no, this morning wakes up and six up
and he's like I'm coming.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. Did
you let him take off school?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
He did, of course not. He's not here for a
good reason. But the point is the cancel school for
like two years once one got the point is the point,
which is you are making a damn dead.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I'm kidding, no, but I know, and I but I
appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I mean, it's the reason you're here because I think
people need to understand your success, your influence, what you've
been up to, and the fact that you're on these
college campus stores.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And to your point, man, you just open up.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I mean you're like, ask me anything, anything, challenge me.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
To stop here. You can stop here. You heard that
clearly right. Alex Michaelson talks to Newsom a couple of
days ago. Alex has got a new show on CNN.
It's on nine o'clock every night out here. Uh, he's
talking to news about his son being a Charlie Kirk fan.
Now hear what Newsom has to say.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Your son obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk. What was
the conversation like between you and your son? After Charlie
Kirk was assassinate he called me.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I don't know how he got a phone, but he
called me from school that day, really alarmed, and all
his friends were around the phone that wanted me to
us about express or understand what was going on.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
He wanted to know if he was dead.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
He wasn't a fan of him as much as it
was familiar with him. And it was very revelatory for
me because she stopped stop.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He said he literally did not want to go to
school because he wanted to go right, Let's play let's
play a first clip again here, Challenge me, challenge me
when of this one of the now played from the beginning.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
The worst part though, Charlie no bes true story.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed,
He's like, no, Dad, I just what time?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
What time is Charlie gonna be here?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What time?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
And I'm like, dude, you're in school. Tomorrow's thirteen.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
He's like, no, no, this morning, wakes up and sticks
up and he's like, I'm coming.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I'm like he literally would not leave the house. Did
you let him take off school?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
He did, of course not. He's not here for a
good reason. But the point is the cancel school for
like two years once.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
The point is the point?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
All right, stop stop pretty definitive, isn't it. I'm not
imagining things. I'm not having this time. Okay, sometimes there's
voices in my head. I know this time You're spot on,
all right? Restart cut seven to the beginning. Play Elex
talking to Newsome, your.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Son obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
What was the conversation like between you and your son
after Charlie Kirk was assassin.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He called me.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
I don't know how he got a phone, but he
called me from school that day, really alarmed, and all
his friends were around the phone. That wanted made us
about the express or understand what was going on. He
wanted to know if he was dead. He wasn't a
fan of him, as much as it was familiar with him,
and it was very revelatory.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
And also, his son doesn't have a phone.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
He doesn't know how his son got a phone. I
don't know how he got a phone, because your phones
are hard to come by these days. I think that's
because of the whole school rule of not having phones
in school anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Maybe, but of course his son has a phone. Yeah,
the governor's son has a phone. I'm sure that's the
security thing. You believe that, yeah, and thinks you do.
I believe, yes, I do. Unfortunately, he starts telling a
story about how his son, with all his friends gathered
around him, is calling Newsome because he heard that he
(31:47):
got shot and wanted to know if he's alive. And
as soon as Newsom tells that story suddenly stops himself. Well,
he wasn't really fan, he was just familiar with it.
What's wrong with you. I mean, he stops on a
dime and pivots and lies. Well, the most implausible, why imaginable?
(32:09):
Your son wouldn't be calling you if he was just
familiar with somebody. Now that that's like a mental illness,
that really is. He's got more than a couple of
screws loose in his head. But hey, trust him, and
he's getting rid of that independent commission to draw the
(32:32):
congressional districts. His friends are going to be doing it now.
Of course it's all for our benefit. Just remember how
much you hate Trump. That's all he's working on here,
whipping up the anger against Trump. And by time Newsom runs,
Trump is a lame duck and he's not going to
be his competition, don't I don't really understand all this.
(32:56):
All right, we'll talk to State Senator Tony Strickland coming
up proposition fifty, winning by twenty two points, says this
Berkeley pul neber Mark live in the KFI twenty four
our newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt
Show podcast. You can always hear the show live on
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