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May 6, 2026 31 mins

John Kobylt talks with fire attorney Roger Behle about the latest developments surrounding the Palisades Fire, while Harry Enten breaks down how California’s gas prices stack up against the rest of the nation. Plus, Los Angeles mayoral candidate Adam Miller joins the show to discuss his campaign and vision for the city.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't. I am six forty.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
Coming up at four point thirty, we have Adam Miller on.
He's also running for mayor. He's a tech businessman on
the West Side, and we had him on real briefly.
We just had kind of a scheduling snaffho, and I said,
you got to come back and we'll talk longer. So

(00:22):
Adam Miller is coming on at four thirty running for
mayor of Los Angeles and has had quite an accomplished life,
an interesting guy to speak with. And then next hour
at five o'clock, Alexandra Mocito, Alexandra Messito, she is an
assembly woman, and she posted that the Democrats passed a

(00:45):
bill in the Assembly to cover up all the high
speed rail financial records, including the audits and the cost overruns,
the whole thing. They want to make all the financial
business of high speed rail. They want to keep it
secret from the public, which I can't believe is even legal.
But we'll get talking to that with her right now.

(01:08):
Big news of the hour is that an appeals court
has ruled against the State of California and against the
city of LA. They wanted the lawsuits dismissed over the
Palisades fire, and the judge said for the appeals court
said no, they're going forward, and so discovery can restart.

(01:29):
Let's get Roger Bailey on, one of the lead attorneys
for the Palisades residents representing thousands of people who were
burned out of their homes. Good to talk with you again, Roger.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Ti John, how are you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Explain for the uninitiated exactly what happened today at the
appeals court.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
What was decided?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
You bet so.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Last February we had a hearing in the Palisades case
with the trial judge, and the trial judge ruled that
the case would go forward. That the cities request to
dismiss the case and the states requested to dismiss the
case were denied, and discovery was going to be open.

(02:14):
We were going to start taking depositions of all the
leaders of LA and LAFD and others, and the city
and the state both filed what's called an emergency writ
They asked the appellate court to intervene and to stop
the case from going forward. It's a very unusual move,
but they attempted to derail the case after the trial

(02:37):
judge already said nope, we're going forward. And today we
got rulings from the Court of Appeals that know, this
was not an emergency. No, the trial judge got it right,
and the Palisades Fire victim class will have their day
in court.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
What was the reasoning the city and state had to
have the lawsuits dismissed? I didn't understand why, why, why
this would even be a consideration. What what did they claim?
Was there legal reasoning for it?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, in non legal terms, they just didn't like the
ruling and they wanted.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
To do over.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
But they they said that this was an emergency, that
this case needed to be halted in its tracks. Uh,
and then if the case went forward there would be
harm that the city and the state would suffer. Yeah,
of course, it's all nonsense.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
They should suffer harm. Concur if they're.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Found guilty of what they've done or liable for what
they've done, then absolutely they should.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
They should feel harm.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
And in fact, just the discovery and the depositions I
hope causes them a lot of discomfort.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, well they were trying to block all of that.
I mean, we We've been waiting and waiting. We got
a few depositions, but now discovery's wide open and we're
going to go and start taking depositions of leadership, and
they're trying desperately to prevent that from happening. The people
deserve answers from leadership, so that the attempt to block
all that died today cases going forward full steam ahead.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
So are you talking about Karen Vass and other people
in her administration will be forced to be deposed.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Absolutely, there's no reason not to. And we don't need
them to provide canned answers and the comfort of a
press conference. We want them under oath answering the tough questions.
And thus far the people haven't had any satisfactory answers,
and we're going to get them now.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Is there any exit ramp for somebody like Karen Bass,
because you know, she put up a fifteen lawyer war
to avoid answering a judge's questions and a civil lawsuit
regarding homeless money. I mean, she really went to the
mat and she clogged up that case for so long
that the other side gave up. But she's got no

(04:57):
real plausible way to avoid this.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
No, and We expect that there will be all kinds
of attempts to prevent it, but we're not going to
give up. It's going to happen, and we're going to
see that it happens. Spas and others need to be deposed.
They need to provide answers under oath that people deserve
at least.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
That not that this matters for your purposes, but I
imagine that she wants to keep these depositions out of
the news once he's running for reelection for the next
five months. Are they going to try to have these
depositions sealed the way they had the firefighters deposition sealed

(05:38):
for a bit earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, you know what, I agree with you. They tried
it with the firefighters. That didn't last long. I'm sure
they'll try it again when we start taking some of
these other depositions. But really, there's nothing confidential about any
of this. This ruined the lives of people in Pacific

(06:02):
Palisades and an Altadena. Frankly, if you look at the
eat and fire also, I mean, so the people deserve answers,
and you know, there's no reason any of this needs
to be kept private elections notwithstanding we need to have answers.
The public deserves the answers, so we expect them to
try to block it and seal it. But it isn't

(06:24):
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
The lawsuits are against the state in the city. Is
are any city or state officials named personally, or it's
just against the structure the government structured that the lawsuits
have been filed against.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, in the main case, which is the one that
we're handling, it's just the City of Los Angeles buying
through LA Department of Water and Power and the State
of California California State Parks. We've not named any individuals
as yet. We don't have any basis to do that
on an individual basis. It's really the city leadership, state

(07:01):
leadership all the way to the top, and it's the
government itself that is the defendant.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
And what's the charge gross negligence? What's what's the legal
term that you're stating in the lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, it's different. So State of California, as we've discussed before,
allowed embers to smolder on its land for six days,
despite being warned that those embers were smoldering, and despite
having a red flag warning that unprecedented winds were inbound
to Los Angeles. The state did nothing. So the state's

(07:40):
liability is based on what we call dangerous condition. You
allowed smoldering embers to sit on your land right next
to Pacific Palisades for six days despite the warnings and
nine to one one calls. That's the state. The city,
on the other hand, once that fire starts, it turned
out that they had the the entire Palisades water system

(08:03):
disabled because they sent in as reservoir. One hundred and
seventeen million gallon reservoir had been drained for months, and
so when the firefighters went to access the water supply,
the entire system. We're not just talking about, you know,
a couple of hydrants, the entire water supply system failed
and within hours firefighters had nothing that they could use

(08:26):
to fight the fire, and the fire just you know,
just ran unabated through the Palisades and into Malibu.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Are you going to depose Jennie Connas, the former head
of the DWP.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And yes, in fact, we've got one of our team
members that's actually scouting locations in Puerto Rico as we
speak right now. So yeah, we've got we've got that
on the agenda. It will absolutely happen.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I'd like to see that one in person. All right,
Roger Bailey, thank you very much for coming on, and
we'll be talking a lot in the time to come.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I was a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
John Toll, right, congratulations on the win before the Court
of Appeals a lawsuit against the city of La and
the state of California going forward on behalf of the
Palisades residents who got burned out in the fire. We
come back. There's an entertaining CNN analyst and normally he

(09:24):
does quite energetic commentary, usually on polling on elections. This time,
Harry Enton went after California gas prices against the rest
of the country. We're going to play the clip and
I'm going to explain what the response was from the

(09:45):
idiots at the newsomb administration.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
That is all Next, you're listening to John Cobels on
demand from KFI A six forty.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Coming up after Aleen Gonzalez's news at four thirty, we
got Adam Miller coming on. Adam Miller is running for
mayor and we got to talk to him very briefly
a couple of weeks ago, and we're gonna have him
on a little longer. You know, most of the attention
is obviously on Spencer Pratt and Nathie Rahman and Karen

(10:16):
bass Adam Miller comes in fourth in most polls, and
he's he's worth listening to, So he's gonna come up
right after four point thirty. All right, Harry Anton, I
mentioned him. He has a very exuberant style on CNN,
usually analyzing polling and voting patterns for elections. He's got

(10:39):
this segment called margin of error, and he decided to
do a piece on California's gas prices because we're two
bucks more than the rest of the country. In some cases,
we're approaching three bucks higher because I'm paid sixty sixty
five in my neighborhood. So I'm gonna play you the clip,

(11:03):
and then I'm going to read you the response from
those little gerbils in Newsom's press office. And they try
to pull a statistical trick to fool people. And I
know this trick because they used to use it myself.
But it's a trick. It's not house, it's not honest,

(11:25):
it's misleading.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Let's play clip of Harry Inton there, which cut is
that that is cutting number two.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Go ahead, Oh my goodness, gracious, I mean, just take
a look at the price of gasoline for a galla gas.
The national average right now is four forty eight. But
you think that's bad, go out to the left coast
top in the United States six dollars and thirteen cents.
There's even a gas station out there where the cost
is about ten dollars per gallon. And of course, if

(11:54):
you've ever been out there, you always know that the
prices in California for a gallon of gas are just
simply put absolutely outrageous, running well ahead.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Of the national average.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
The folks in California really getting hurt by this increasing
gas prices. Part of the reason for that is they
have a higher gas tax.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
One of the big reasons why you see this big
difference right here is, in fact, the gas tax out
in California, and our partners at USA Facts helped provide
this data for us. Take a look here the state
gas tax and fees per gallon. You know, in the
average state, it's thirty three cents. California, again, the top
in the nation, more than double that, it's seventy one cents.

(12:33):
Now Johnny b The quick math here is what a
difference of thirty thirty eight cents.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
That's a tough one. That's a tough one to do
in your head.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Yes, I need Yes, it's thirty eight I know. It's
very very difficult my math lessons. You're trying to work
this one thirty eight cents. You know, a decade ago
the difference here was just eleven cents. So what you're
essentially seeing here is that Californians are feeling the pain
more and more over the last decade when it comes
to the gas pump because one of the big reasons
why is the state gas tax and fees per gallon

(13:00):
have been climbing ever high.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
How don't voters there feel about this?

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Okay, see you see this thirty eight cent difference here?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
You see this? What is this?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
You know, nearly two dollars difference here and not much
of a surprise here California standards for energy and gas
not worth the added gas costs.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Look at this.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Among all voters, fifty seven percent say it's not worth it.
Among independents it's sixty one percent. It's going to be
very interesting to see if there's a question night when
it comes to those gas costs because Californians are clearly
feeling the pain, and many of them at this point say,
you know it, it's just simply put, not worth it.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
And that was before the debate.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And then Javierbishera, the leading Democrat, goes on stage and said, no, no,
the gash tax is fine. We needed for the roads,
except we have the worst roads in the country, according
to Reason magazine.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Here is with the.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Gerbils in Newsroub's press office, though, because they keep trying
to blame trumpem Harry a friendly reminder. Trump started a
war with no plan, and everyone's paying for it. Other
states are paying so much more than California that the

(14:10):
gap between California and the national price, the national price
is down, not up. Now follow this, because I know
this trick. They claim that California's prices are only up
thirty two percent, but Ohio is up seventy two, Indiana
up sixty nine, Texas up fifty three, and look at that,

(14:30):
California only thirty two. See see it's not so bad.
That is a misleading trick. When you're trying to fool somebody,
I'll put it to you simply, if you're selling something
for a dollar and you raise it another dollar to two,

(14:52):
you've increased the price by one hundred percent. But if
you're selling something for five dollars and you increase it
to six, it's only sixteen percent. You see, if you
start from a low base, the percentage increase is higher.
If you start from a higher number, the percentage increase

(15:12):
is lower. So a dollar increase on a on a
item that's worth a dollar, you've doubled its one hundred percent.
A dollar increase on a five dollar item that's only
six dollars sixteen percent. And I know this because when
you start out in radio, you get ratings and you're

(15:33):
trying to pump up what you're doing. So you send
out a resume and say, hey, my ratings are up
fifty eight percent. What you don't tell the guy that
you're sending the audition tape to is that my ratings
are really really low. So a fifty eight percent increase

(15:56):
still means my ratings are really really low.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
They're better, but they're low.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Now, if your ratings are high and you go up
a point or two, that percentage increases less, and by
a percentage it sounds less impressive, but you're starting from
a higher audience base. We are starting from such a
high gas price base that any increase the percentage seems lower,

(16:28):
but it's not. We're still two to three bucks more
than any other state. So there are a bunch of
lying little gerbils. All right, more coming up Adam Miller.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Next.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM
six forty.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
All right, I want to get Adam Miller on here.
Adam Miller is running for mayor Los Angeles and why well,
there is a debate that's coming up later this evening
with Spencer Pratt, Nathian Rahman, and Karen Bass. Adam Miller
is fourth in most polls with a respectable number. And
he is a technology entrepreneur. He started the world's largest

(17:07):
education technology company. It's called Cornerstone, and ended up with
over three thousand employees twenty five countries, teaching seventy five
million people around the world over two billion courses. And
it's quite a story. The company's worth billions of dollars now.
And he wants to run and take all that experience
and competence to be the mayor of LA And he

(17:28):
deserves some time, Adam, how are you.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I'm doing great. Thanks JN, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thanks for taking the time to come back on. I
spent two weeks in Florida this month. We have a
second house because I live on the West side like
you do. And it was so pleasant to walk around
Sarasota at eleven o'clock at night. A lot of people
out go into the lake to restaurants and bars and

(17:55):
just feel free. And there's nobody menacing, nobody scary, no
rug addicts, no mental patients in the streets, and it
was really striking. And I come back here and my
wife and I both felt this is like, oh God.
And most of my friends feel the same way. Some
of them want to move, others wish they could, but
everybody feels like they're in jail here, Like we're an

(18:17):
outdoor mental institution, an outdoor prison with the crazy people
running the asylum.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Cause something be done. What would you do if you
could be mayor yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Look, I think unfortunately people here have lost hope. And
we're gonna see a debate tonight with two people who
are squabbling over whose fault it is that we're here,
but really it's both of their's fault and one person
that's got no experience and no ability to handle the
complexity of the city, of the size. The reality is

(18:51):
that we need somebody that knows how to get stuff
done and can actually fix this city, who can deliver results.
That's what I've done. I've created thousands of jobs, I've
kept people off the streets. I've led disaster or recovery.
I know how we can fix this city together, and
we can turn it around. But it's urgent and we

(19:12):
need to take action. Now.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
What what can you do to get it to be
a fun free city like it used to be when
I moved here? I mean, what what? What has to
be done? Your what's your battle plan? If you were
mayor in the first in the first months.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
So I put together a seven by seven plans, seven
specific goals that are pretty ambitious, and seven specific steps
for each goal to get there. So think of it
as an operating plan for the city. And I'll just
tell you a few of the things that would turn
the city around. Number One, we got to reduce street
homelessness by as much as sixty percent. That means we've

(19:54):
got to clear the visible encampments. We got to redo
the way we deliver services. We we have to stand
up a shelter system that actually works with services wrapped
around it. And we have to get dedicated people working
on clearing the encampments instead of pulling lapd off of

(20:14):
what they do to get that done. Number two, we've
got to build more housing so that we can lower
rents across the city. The only way we're going to
be able to do that is by increasing supply. It's
basic supply and demand. There are many things we can
do to turn La from the worst place in America

(20:34):
to build housing right now to be one of the best.
Bring the national developers back, bring local real estate developers back,
and get a lot more housing here so people can
afford to live here. And we must deal with public safety.
We have to double our law enforcement patrols. We have

(20:55):
to get foot patrols back in the most urbanized area
is and we have to modernize our public safety. Whether
we're talking about law enforcement and the police or we're
talking about fire and emergency management. There is so much
we could do to bring La into the twenty first

(21:16):
century and get the city working again.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
It frustrates me because when I hear Bass talk about
crime she goes, oh, no, it's down, like the murder
rate is down. Well, the murder rate is largely what
happens between the gangs. But I don't feel safe walking
in Brentwood, my wife and my wife and I got
chased by a guy with a pipe one day. Down

(21:40):
to San Facenti Boulevard. She has seen three guys drop
their pants and defecate on the sidewalk in front of her.
You don't need to have a gun battle between gang
members to feel unsafe, and she feels wildly unsafe. And
I don't have an argument to say, no, no, everything's okay.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
And it's hard to get anybody to talk about the
quality of life, the danger that you feel just walking
on a sidewalk to go to the drug store.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, we have let one percent of the population destroy
the quality of life for the other ninety nine percent
of the population, and we have to take back control.
We have to clear our encampments, we have to get
the officers back on the streets, and we have to
make public safety a priority. You're talking about people feeling

(22:30):
unsafe about walking in their neighborhoods. People also feel unsafe
in their homes, which is really unacceptable and a fundamental
right of residence and really job number one of a city.
We have to fix our infrastructure. We have to bring
back public safety. In the way we're going to do

(22:50):
that is by dealing with homelessness, dealing with prime and
being better prepared and modernizing our city. And we can
do it, can do it, but the voters are gonna
have to take a risk. They're going to have to
take a risk on an outsider that actually knows how
to get things done. I have an incredible track record

(23:10):
being a chairman and CEO over thirty five years of
businesses and nonprofits. I know how to get things done,
and that's what this city needs. It doesn't need ideology,
it doesn't need anger, it doesn't need more talk. It
needs action and results.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Can you hang on another segment?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Adam Miller, he's running for mayor Los Angeles. We'll talk
more with Adam when we return. And after five o'clock
we got Alexandria Messido, the assembly woman, who's going to
tell us about the new bill they're passing in the
legislature to keep all the high speed rail financial business
a secret from you. So that's coming up Adam Miller.
More of him.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Next, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
We're talking with Adam Miller.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
He's running for mayor of Los Angeles, a very successful
tech entrepreneur founded a company called Cornerstone, which has taught
just tens of millions of people all around the country
with his educational software.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Let's get Adam back on here. You know, I.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Told you before with just my experience is just walking
the streets or driving around, and so, you know, so
much of politics is people arguing their ideologies. But what
I feel every day being in the city is my
car is driving over potholes as if we're in the

(24:39):
middle of the Middle East war. The streets are all
dark as the street lights are burned out. There seems
to be garbage everywhere. The sidewalks are atrocious. We don't
even pave roads anymore. I read the other day we've
only paid nine paved nine miles of roads in LA
since June. I mean, it's all the basics that are gone.

(25:00):
Yesoteric political stuff, it's just the basics that I ever
since childhood, it was always taken care of.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
You ever thought about it?

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, the difference between national politics
and local politics is that in the local setting, it's
about getting things done right. It's about operations, it's infrastructure,
it's safety, it's the day in the life of an Angelino.
And we have completely failed in that respect. And the

(25:32):
reality is these are operational problems. You have to manage budgets,
you have to manage forty four departments, you have to
manage fifty thousand people. You need to have experience being
an executive, being the CEO, and unfortunately my opponents have
none of that experience. We just witnessed four years of

(25:55):
somebody that's got extensive political experience and no experience, no
management experience, and what we ended up with was a disaster.
So I am a completely unique choice in this race.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
What do you think is going on every day?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I wonder sometimes if anybody shows up for work, because
it just seems like the garbage is piled higher, potholes
are deeper, the sidewalks are rougher, the street lights are
getting darker and darker, not to mention all the crazy
people running around that nobody ever seems to put into
a shelter. Even though we're spending billions. What are they
doing all day?

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Look, I got to know the city very well with
the work I've been doing with my nonprofit Better Angels,
which is trying to end the homelessness epidemic in this county,
and over the last few years, created the most effective
homelessness prevention program in La County. And we did it
for ninety eight percent less than it costs when somebody's

(26:58):
on the street. We've kept forty five hundred people house
who were on the brink of eviction and already at
eviction notices. And the way we're able to do that
is with common sense and a little bit of innovation
and a little bit of practicality. The problem is that
the city doesn't know how to operate. And the deeper

(27:22):
you get understanding what the city is doing, you realize
it's a leadership problem. We don't have people that know
how to lead and manage, and that's why nothing's getting done.
We're also wasting a tremendous amount of money, whether you're
talking about homelessness or the general operation of the city.

(27:44):
We are so inefficient. We're operating like it's nineteen sixty
instead of twenty twenty six. We don't leverage automation or innovation.
We don't have process improvement, and so we end up
with extreme redundancy and total inefficiency. So we're paying more
and getting less at the same time. It's extremely frustrating

(28:07):
to be living in la today. But we can fix it.
We just need somebody who knows how to get things done.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
How do you cut through with a month to go
and the ballot's already on people's kitchen tables, how do
you cut through? Because you've got a very compelling message here.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Well, this month is when people are paying attention. The
reality is that the reason I'm not in the debate
today is because the establishment's trying to protect their own.
They know I'm the biggest risk to Karen Bess and
they base this debate's invitations on a pole that happened
before I started campaigning. So of course I was going

(28:47):
to be row in that poll. I've been surging in
the polls. I have a real clear path to victory
here to be in the runoff, and if I'm in
the runoff, I will win. I'll be the next mayor.
So the way we do that is just continuing to
raise awareness. The more people understand my background, my experience

(29:07):
in my plan, the more voters I get, So for me,
it's purely about awareness. There's a big debate next week
which is much bigger than the one tonight. There are
multiple forms and of course social media, advertising, billboards and
lots of press, and that's what we're doing. We're getting

(29:28):
out there. We're fighting a fight because I love La.
I want to stay in La. I've had too many
friends that have moved away. I have my own kids
who are off to college. I want them to come back.
But the only way that's going to happen is if
we fix this city. So for me personal it's urgent,

(29:50):
and I know I can get this city in a
much better place.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, I got the same thing. I got three sons
and they've all moved to other states and they don't
want to live here because the place is crazy that expensive.
All right, Hey, good talking with you, Adam. Let's talk
again in this final month. Thank you for coming on
with us.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Yeah. No, Look, the last thing I'll say is good
votemiller dot com if you want to learn more and
tell ten friends. I don't need that many more votes
to get into the runoff. And again, if I'm in
the runoff. I will be the next mayor. I will
beat Karen Bass and take this city back.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
All right, Adam Miller running for mayor Los Angeles. Thank
you for coming on when we come back. Alexandra Mecedo,
she sounded the alarm yesterday that the Democrats in the
legislature voted to cover up all the high speed Rail
financial documents, so we can't know anything. We can't know

(30:50):
anything about the audits, for example, and the overspending. So
Alexandra Mersito coming on to explain that. Next, we have
Aileen Gonzales in for Debora Mark Live The Cantfight twenty
four our newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to The John
Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the show live
on KFI AM six forty from one to four pm
every Monday through Friday, and of course anytime on demand

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