May 7, 2026 • 29 mins
John McKinney joins the show to talk about his 2026 run for Los Angeles City Attorney, his plan to tackle crime across Los Angeles County, and why he says boosting police staffing is the first step toward safer communities. Plus, Conan Nolan presses Mayor Karen Bass with a pointed question about being out of the country at the start of the Palisades Fire.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am six forty.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
We had Spencer Pratt on fresh off his big debate
last night in the race for mayor. We talked him
for a whole hour and there's also a live stream
that we did that's on our YouTube page and you
can watch that as well if you want. And second
hour we had doctor ozon to talk about the big
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bust at MacArthur Park all the drug gangs that were
hauled off to jail, as well as the continuing hospice
fraud courtesy of Gavin Newsom. And so that that's a
lot there. So you want to listen to the whole
show at some point. And now we have John McKinney
for us. That's right, John McKinney. Last time I saw you,
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you were running for a district attorney up against George
Gascone and you did pretty well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But Nathan, first time are you?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, Nathan Hackman got second place in the in the
primary and then and then he blew away Gascon in
the November election.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
But you did pretty well. Yeah, thank you for that.
And you were one of my choices.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Remember, and thank you for the support, and thank you
for having me back today.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, you're ready for city attorney this year. There's still
a deputy DA, so you're still working there and explain
to people what the LA City Attorney does.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Okay, In a nutshell, the LA City Attorney wears two hats.
The LA City Attorney is both a prosecutor and the
general council for the City of Los Angeles. As prosecutor,
the LA City Attorney is responsible for prosecuting all adult
misdemeanor crimes that occur within the City of Los Angeles.
The DA handles everything else as general council. Virtually all
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business that takes place in LA passes through the City
Attorney's office, So the city attorney is responsible for filing
lawsuits on behalf of the city defense lawsuits brought against
the city, advising the mayor, advising each of the council
members on legal matters, advising all forty department heads throughout
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the city on legal matters, drafting ordinances, you name it,
the city attorney does it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And the current City Attorney, Heidie Feldstein's shutto Yes she's
running for reelection, Yes she is. Why are you trying
to replace her.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I'm trying to replace her because it's more than evident
that she's been struggling a city attorney over the last
four years on both sides of the office. On the
criminal side, she had no criminal background. She in fact,
never tried a case criminal or civil, but never worked
in criminal law. So she came in and kind of
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fumbled the structure of the office a bit. She got
rid of the very popular Neighborhood Prosecutor program that was
started by Rocky Delgadillo back in the nineties. That program
was great because it put a deputy city attorney in
every repolice precinct to be a liaison between community police
and the city attorney's office.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That sounds like a good idea, fad. Why did she
get rid of it?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't know, No, inexplicable. She also got rid of
some of the specialization they had. They had a unit
that specialized in prosecuting domestic violence and other vulnerable victims.
You know how important that is. She got rid of it.
She got rid of it. Yeah, she didn't feel that
specialization was necessary. She got rid of a unit that
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specialized in prosecuting gun possession and gang crimes. Again, specialized
niche prosecutions where there are unique laws that apply and
people need special training. She not quite that bad, but
some similarities, some very definite parallels. And then on the
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civil side of the office, I mean, you've seen the
headlines with the exception of a big case that the
City Attorney's office one today. She has been fa at
handling the lawsuits filed against the city and losing hundreds
of millions of dollars in liability as a result.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Of what a to do.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
They settle a lot of cases early and pay out
enormous amounts of money, and their only response is, well,
if we go to jury trial, it could be worse.
Well that's not a strategy, right, This is killing the city,
a terrible litigation strategy. And she was never a litigator.
So one of the things I bring to the table one,
I've been in criminal law for twenty eight years. So
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I have the endorsements of Steve Cooley, Jackie Lacy, big
endorsement this week from District Attorney Nathan Hakman. Oh, you
got all the big hitters in the Los Angeles the
last three dec league, and with my twenty eight experience,
twenty eight years of experience one hundred jury trials. I
would be a great city prosecutor for the City of
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Los Angeles. But beyond that, I have twenty eight years
of litigation experience, meaning I know my way in and
out of a lawsuit. I can identify five cases that
need to be settled early, and I can identify the
ones we should fight and win. What's the mistake being made, like,
what differentiates a case that the city settles early when
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they should fight it, as opposed to one that they
shouldn't fight it?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I can only imagine that the city attorney, because
she's never tried a case, she's never stood in front
of a jury, she doesn't understand some of the legal
and emotional nuances of these cases. I can almost identify
a case that is likely to win or will be
a struggle within a few minutes of hearing the facts
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because I've been doing it for so long. In fact,
when I talk to some of our younger lawyers sometimes
about their cases and they're struggling to figure out the
strategy of it, for me, it's it's immediate, and I'm
not a genius. I'm just very experienced. So the city
attorney has a reputation for settling cases that should be fought,
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in fighting cases that should have been settled. There's a
bad judgment, right, would be a bad umpire, balls would strikes,
strikes would be balld. Absolutely, yeah, that's just kind of
some of that's just an innate talent, I think sometimes
to be able to synthesize the information quickly, you know
which direction to go in.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, and you got to have a great team. So
I'm looking forward to modernizing that office, identifying our talent,
making sure they get the best training. I want to
partner with the DA's office. I think there's a lot
to come up that kind of partnership, both on criminal
prosecutions and even civil attorney development, skill development.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right, can you stay another segment? Absolutely? Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Election day is already started, right. The ballots were mailed
out Monday. A lot you may have gotten it yesterday
or today certainly, or the day before. So we're spending
a lot of time this week heavily on the election.
And the City Attorney of Los Angeles is very important.
Even if you're not paying attention, and we don't, we
have a bad one right now. Heidi Feldstein Soto. John
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McKinney would be a good one. And like you said,
he's got all the people I thought had been great das,
I mean, Steve Cooley, Jackie Lacy, Nathan Hockman, they've been
superb das and they all pick him to be city attorney.
We'll talk more with John McKinney coming up.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
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Speaker 1 (07:32):
Continue with John McKinney, who's running for city attorney. This
is a little different than District attorney, which is a
county a county office that Nathan Hockman is running for.
And John ran for that office and did well, fell
a little short, and Nathan Hackman beat George Gascon that year.
He's still a Deputy DA, still prosecuting cases, and now
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he's running for city attorney. And the city attorney handles
all the misdemeanors. Nathan Hawkman's office handles the felonies and
also handles all the daily business of the city, especially
with the lawsuits. And what is it. I mean, everyone
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feels like LA's out of control right with the crime
and especially and this is what really fries me. Karen
Bass will tell you that, well, crime is down because
murders are down right. Gang members have stopped shooting each other,
But it's the misdemeanors. It's everything else that drive me
and my wife crazy. Like my wife has taking our
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dog to the vet eye problem, and there was there
was a there was a guy pooping right in front
of her, which used to be a misdemeanor, right that
I've arrested for. And you know, I could name all
the bad behavior that we see in the streets. Can
you do anything about that? As city attorney any influence
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to process the crimes. I know you can't do anything
unless the police bring you the case, but I mean,
what can be done from the inside here to try
to make this place more livable because it's really gotten
disgusting and scary.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, the city attorney absolutely can do something about those
quality of life crimes that you are describing the small things,
because let's face it, misdemeanors are not the crimes of
the century there. They're not the crimes that I'm used
to prosecuting in the DA's office. But unless you've been
the victim of a very serious and violent crime, misdemeanors
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actually impact your life in the aggregate more than the
felony crists. Yeah, and and they're kind of crimes that
make our city feel dirty, chaotic. It leads to a
lot of stress and anxiety, and we need, absolutely need
to increase the enforcement of these of the laws that
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we have to deal with these crimes. Now start with policing.
So I'm a strong advocate of the Los Angeles Police Department.
That department is woefully understaffed at only eighty five hundred officers.
If they got to ten thousand, eight still be understaffed.
They need about thirteen or fourteen thousand sworn officers to
adequately police the second largest city in the country, four
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million people, five hundred square miles. Let's look at Chicago
by comparison. Chicago has about a million and a half
fewer people and about two hundred square miles of less territory.
They have eleven thousand sworn officers to our eighty five hundred.
So we need more police officers. When we get more
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police officers, and we will, it's just a matter of
time before voters decide that to secure LA they need
to change some people in elective office. When we get
that number of police officer, then we'll be in a
good position to really secure our streets, our entertainment areas,
our homes. There's some areas in LA that could benefit
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from community police and let's get these men and women
out of their cars on the street, getting to know
the merchants, getting to know the people who live in
the neighborhood, walk the parks. That's the LA that I envision.
We're a long way from there. We got a lot
of work to do, but it really starts with voters
deciding we need change, and in this city Attorney's race,
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they have an opportunity to make a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Do you think they're there?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Because it's been an astonishing run of bad voting by
the people who bother to vote, which aren't that many
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
People are there.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I've been around the city for the three months that
I've been in this race. I've been sitting in neighborhood
council meetings, sitting in the back of the room, just listening,
taking the temperature all over the city, and no matter
where I've been, I've heard the same thing. People are angry,
and they are frustrated, and they want change. I think
this will be a big change election.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I happen to be a big fan of Tracy park.
I thought her election was the canary in the coal mine. Yes,
then we got Nathan Hoffman, then we got Prop thirty six.
You know, we've been moving slowly in the right direction.
I think this election will be more dramatic than just
one change at a time, hopefully.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, you talked earlier about you know, part of the
job is figuring out when the city gets sued, what
what lawsuits to fight and when, and what to settle early.
Because right now you think Heidie Feldstein Soto, the incumbent,
uh settles the lawsuits that she shouldn't and and fights
the lawsuits that she should and she misses on both ends.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
What else? As you've been observing the city in the
last few years, do you say, when I get in there,
this is going to change? Like? What else?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Like gets under your skin and you think I got
to fix that if I get in there.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah. Well, as city attorney, unfortunately I won't have lawmaking
ability or policy making ability. I have to defend the city.
But there are a lot of things I can. First
of all, as the legal advisor to the mayor, I'll
spend a lot of time with the mayor whomever she
or he is, and it gives me an opportunity to
not just give them the best legal advice that I can,
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but it gives me a chance to give them some
practical advice. The practical advice related to the decisions that
they make. And that's for each council member. And I think,
you know, I have the personality and I have the
credibility that although I would think I'm not aligned with
some of the council members, We'll still have good communication
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and good rapport. That's really what it's going to take.
One election isn't going to change things overnight. It's going
to be a process of change and people changing, people
changing their positions, letting go of some of the it
advocacy that a lot of our council members are used to.
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You know, a lot of people get elected to office
because they were good activists. I remember my sister telling
me one time, John, anybody could be a social critic,
but not everybody solves problems, be a problem solver. Well,
we tend to elect critics who do a great job
of pointing out the problems, and we need those people,
but they're not the best in the problem solving role.
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And voters have to start looking for problem solvers and
leaders with vision to elect and to public office.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, John, I wish you a lot of luck. I'll
be voting for you. I've told my friends to vote
for you.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So I thank you for coming on and I really
do hope you win and you're part of the big
change because we need it badly here.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Okay, And when I win, I'll be back to talk
to you definitely and your audience and bring some real
transparency to government. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, that'd be great. John McKinney running for city attorney.
Vote for him in the city of Los Angeles. And
when we come back, I've actually wanted to open the
show with this, and we had so much going on
and the surprises going on. I want to play some
clips from the debate last night between Pratt and Bass
and Ramen, so we'll get to that next. We had
Spencer Pratt on in the first hour for an hour
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and that was came together at the last minute. We'll
talk more about what went on last night.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
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Speaker 1 (15:28):
If you're just joining us. A lot went on today
because shortly before the show we got Spencer Pratt book
and he came on stayed here in the studio for
an hour. That's also our live stream. It's already been
put on YouTube, so you could watch us talk. You
could listen to us on the podcast. Also, we had
Doctor oz On at four o'clock to talk about the
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MacArthur Park drug bust, of the gangs and the hospice nonsense.
And then we just had John McKinney, who's running for
City Attorney and he's the guy who to vote for
for La City at two journey and he handles the
misdemeanors and the day to day business with the civil lawsuits.
Now I'm probably gonna have to play some of these tomorrow.
I wanted to play a whole bunch of them today,
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but all this stuff happened. And it's about the debate
last night, and I knew within the first two minutes
that Conan Nolan was going to have a fantastic night.
He's I think he surprised a lot of people. He's
a very smart guy and he learns quickly, and he
came out in a very rational, controlled but blunt manner
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and just described what he has seen with his own
eyes and heard with his own ears, and it matches
everything that we've seen as well. And Karen Bass was
on defense. But the contrast when her and Nitthia Rahman talk,
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they talk in political ease. They they talk in circles,
they talk in jargon, they talk in the cliches and platitudes,
and you hear Spencer Pratt speak and it's like a
different language, a different version of English. So we're gonna
play a clip here because this really is the crux
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of this whole race. There's other issues, but her being
out of the country for the fire and then all
the follow up incompetence and the follow up cover ups.
So here's Connan Nolan with a question and Bass with
an answer.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So, Marre, this is for you.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I know that you have apologized for being out of
the out of the country during those wildfires, but still
there are plenty of people who believe that the city
let them down. The Los Angeles Fire Department, for some reason,
didn't have a strike team or a brush unit where
there had been a fire just days earlier and had
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been reports it was still smoldering. That appears to be inexcusable.
LEDWP had a reservoir that was dry, the fire.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Hydrants went dry.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So based on that issue alone, articulate for us why
you should get a second contract as the mayor of
the city.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Absolutely. Well, first of all, thank you very much for
the opportunity to speak with you. You know, when I
took over as mayor, LA was definitely facing an awful
lot of tough problems and obviously January seventh was horrible
and as I have told you before, it was one
of the worst moments of my life to not be
here when my city needed me, and it didn't matter
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where I was or why I was away. To me,
it reminds me of like if you're away in a
family members in an accident.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, can you stop there?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Then?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
How can we got to stop and start this one?
Because there's so much nonsense. She has used that answer repeatedly.
I've heard her give that answer about It's like when
a family member is in distress and you're not there
for them, and it does matter why and where you were.
It matters that you flew all the way to Africa
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after you were warned repeatedly for a week red flag warnings,
high fire danger, the most apocalyptic language I've ever seen
from the National Weather Service. And you know, maybe I'm
biased because I work at a radio station, but we
had those warnings running every fifteen minutes for days. It
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is impossible, as the mayor of Los Angeles with a
personal staff of over one hundred, that she was not aware.
That it's such a lie. It's impossible not to be aware.
It's like you're saying, I'm not aware of the sun.
I'm not aware of gravity. It was days and days
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of warnings, and that's why I'm resentful. And yes, you
were going there for pleasure. You were going there because
you wanted to be a big diplomatic deal. You were
going to Africa. Joe Biden had asked you to go
for the inauguration of the President of Ghana, of all things.
So it was a trivial social mission. Nobody needs Karen
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Bassett their inauguration in the middle of Africa. That's not required.
That wasn't a family emergency, that wasn't a once in
a lifetime event of birth or death or wedding. This
was you gratifying your ego. You wanted to be an
international diplomat for a few days, and you couldn't give
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that up even with the warnings that's the killer. This
didn't come out of nowhere. It came with a week's
worth of warnings. You notice she never said why she
deserves a second term yet, which was the question, why,
after the worst decision I've seen any mayor make at
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any time in life, why she should have She shouldn't
have been trusted for another day?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Continue.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
You know, when I took over as mayor, LA was
definitely facing an awful lot of tough problems, and obviously
January seventh was horrible, and as I have told you before,
it was one of the worst moments of my life
to not be here when my city needed me, and
it didn't matter where I was or why I was away.
To me, it reminds me of like if you're away
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in a family members in an accident. But I think
that I deserve a second term and I'm going to
fight for that deserve because we have made significant progress
in a variety of eras. For example, homelessness was going
up year after year, and under my watch, it is
the first time we've had a decrease in street homelessness.
While it went up in the country eighteen percent, it
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came down in Los Angeles seventeen and a half percent.
I expedited the building of housing because our number one
issue in this city is affordability, and one of the
main drivers for.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Affordability is housing. Right, So let me followed up with
the fires.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Though one gets the impression based on what we saw
that you prioritized wages and benefits a hike in the
salaries of the firefighters union over the operations budget.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
We saw those pictures.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Of those engines that were inoperable because they didn't have
enough mechanics.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
To fix them. Well, was that a mistake? Explain that
to this So let me just.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Say, first of all, the primary problem there was that
the chief sent home a thousand firefighters. We actually had
fire trucks with not enough firefighters there. So, yes, there
were fire trucks that were broken, but there were also
fire trucks that were out of use because she had
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sent the firefighters home. You are correct, was supposed to
have been deployment and pre deployment in the area that
did not happen. But the same way that LA was
not prepared.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Neither was the county.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh stop, you believe that, well, well, the county wasn't
wasn't prepared too. That doesn't matter to the people of Palisades.
Palisades is governed in serviced by the City of La
for the for the La City firefighting crew.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That the county doesn't matter here. That was a horrific answer.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And she said, yeah, that there should have been something
deployed or pre deployed, referring to the January first fire.
If you were here instead of in Africa, another mayor
like Rick Caruso or like Spencer Pratt would have had
a meeting the night before and saying, hey, we had
that fire. Fires can rekindle with strong winds. Do we
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have a crew up there? If we don't, let's get
a crew up there right now. She's in charge of
the fire department. She could order the fire chief to
send a crew up there. But you have to be
in your office to have that conversation with the fire chief.
That was the root of this problem. First was the arsonist.
Then the fire department doesn't put out the fire, and
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then she is in Africa. Yes, it matters that she's
in Africa. She wasn't in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
All right, I gotta take a break.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
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Speaker 2 (24:30):
All right, and i'd tell you tomorrow I'm going to
get into all the clips because how many clips do
I have here?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I had ten clips I wanted to go through about
the debate, but everything else popped up, so I need
about six seven hours. Don't give anybody ideas. All right,
here's Spencer Pratt who just wiped the floor with Bass
and Kenonias. They are the Psycho sisters. What an incompetent
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set of morons. They are got to clean myself up here.
So here's Pratt and calling Bass and Kenonia's out for
all the stupid things they did. Cut three.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
So the Mary Karen Basses the thousand firefighters that were available,
but there was no engines for them because of the
seventeen million dollars that Chief Crowley had asked the mayor
for nine weeks before, and Mayor Karen Bass denied it.
So they may have been available, but they didn't have
the equipment they needed. Not to mention Jennie quinnonas who
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Mayor Karen Bass put into her position of power at
the LADWP. She drained both of these reservoirs that these
firefighters needed to put out these fires. A lot of
people will talk about climate change and hurricane force winds.
The winds and the psiric policies never reached higher than
forty miles per hour for those first six hours. That
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didn't go above twenty seven miles per hour. So without
those two reservoirs filled with one hundred and seventeen million
gallons and five million gallons, these firefighters had to fly
all the way Malibu and Encino to get water. So
that to me, is the most dangerous thing that the
mayor put us up against. Mister Prattle, follow up here, though,
what would you do moving forward that would make this
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better two years from now if we face the same situation. Well,
first off, as mayor, I will never drain the reservoirs
that we need for wildfire protection.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Is that complicated?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Do you need an agree in fire science to say
I am not going to drain one hundred and seventeen
million gallons of water out of the reservoir that was
originally designed for firefighting, which it was. And it's amazing
how many lies that Bassett and the rest of them tell.
And I think Colleen Williams and Colin Olan were wrong yesterday.
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The word liar is a description of the way somebody
is behaving. It's not name calling. It means you willfully
are not telling the truth. I don't know what they
wanted him to say. Well, it's just inaccurate. Inaccurate sounds
like you slightly missed on an estimate. Like you know,
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I thought fixing the roof was going to cost twelve
thousand dollars. It's going to cost twelve thousand and three hundred. Oh,
you gave me an inaccurate estimate there. This was an
out right why and she repeats it so much that
people believe it. Yeah, the winds weren't that bad during
the day in the Palisades, which is when they should
have put out the fire during the day, within the
first few hours. If they had that strike team at
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the sight of the original fire, it would not have
been a big deal, barely.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I wouldn't even have made the news.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The highest winds, let's say eighty, were in the middle
of the night way up the mountain, but in Palisades
proper or all the damage happened.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, the winds never.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Cracked forty I mean I was watching all the TV
coverage that night. You can tell on TV if you
have one hundred mile an hour wind. I've watched hurricanes.
Palisades was not suffering from a hurricane that night. Down
in the flats where the city is, way far up
on the mountains of miles away, that's where the Santa
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Ana winds will blow really hard.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Everybody knows that I can't stand her lying.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I mean, I mean, and and the reservoir, I mean,
it was a horrible botch. And Bass should be questioned severely,
starting with what did you do over the seven days
when the whole city knew about the warnings? Why do
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you keep insisting you never heard them? That's not possible.
If you're that insulated, then that in itself should be
worthy of indictment. Well, he did great last night, and
there's a lot of other stuff we could talk about tomorrow.
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Unless all kinds of other exciting things happen, you never know.
All Right, We've got Conway coming in next Cruzeer's got
the news live in the KFI twenty for our newsroom. Hey,
you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You
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Can't.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am six forty.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
We had Spencer Pratt on fresh off his big debate
last night in the race for mayor. We talked him
for a whole hour and there's also a live stream
that we did that's on our YouTube page and you
can watch that as well if you want. And second
hour we had doctor ozon to talk about the big
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bust at MacArthur Park all the drug gangs that were
hauled off to jail, as well as the continuing hospice
fraud courtesy of Gavin Newsom. And so that that's a
lot there. So you want to listen to the whole
show at some point. And now we have John McKinney
for us. That's right, John McKinney. Last time I saw you,
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you were running for a district attorney up against George
Gascone and you did pretty well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But Nathan, first time are you?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, Nathan Hackman got second place in the in the
primary and then and then he blew away Gascon in
the November election.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
But you did pretty well. Yeah, thank you for that.
And you were one of my choices.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Remember, and thank you for the support, and thank you
for having me back today.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, you're ready for city attorney this year. There's still
a deputy DA, so you're still working there and explain
to people what the LA City Attorney does.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Okay, In a nutshell, the LA City Attorney wears two hats.
The LA City Attorney is both a prosecutor and the
general council for the City of Los Angeles. As prosecutor,
the LA City Attorney is responsible for prosecuting all adult
misdemeanor crimes that occur within the City of Los Angeles.
The DA handles everything else as general council. Virtually all
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business that takes place in LA passes through the City
Attorney's office, So the city attorney is responsible for filing
lawsuits on behalf of the city defense lawsuits brought against
the city, advising the mayor, advising each of the council
members on legal matters, advising all forty department heads throughout
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the city on legal matters, drafting ordinances, you name it,
the city attorney does it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And the current City Attorney, Heidie Feldstein's shutto Yes she's
running for reelection, Yes she is. Why are you trying
to replace her.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I'm trying to replace her because it's more than evident
that she's been struggling a city attorney over the last
four years on both sides of the office. On the
criminal side, she had no criminal background. She in fact,
never tried a case criminal or civil, but never worked
in criminal law. So she came in and kind of
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fumbled the structure of the office a bit. She got
rid of the very popular Neighborhood Prosecutor program that was
started by Rocky Delgadillo back in the nineties. That program
was great because it put a deputy city attorney in
every repolice precinct to be a liaison between community police
and the city attorney's office.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That sounds like a good idea, fad. Why did she
get rid of it?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't know, No, inexplicable. She also got rid of
some of the specialization they had. They had a unit
that specialized in prosecuting domestic violence and other vulnerable victims.
You know how important that is. She got rid of it.
She got rid of it. Yeah, she didn't feel that
specialization was necessary. She got rid of a unit that
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specialized in prosecuting gun possession and gang crimes. Again, specialized
niche prosecutions where there are unique laws that apply and
people need special training. She not quite that bad, but
some similarities, some very definite parallels. And then on the
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civil side of the office, I mean, you've seen the
headlines with the exception of a big case that the
City Attorney's office one today. She has been fa at
handling the lawsuits filed against the city and losing hundreds
of millions of dollars in liability as a result.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Of what a to do.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
They settle a lot of cases early and pay out
enormous amounts of money, and their only response is, well,
if we go to jury trial, it could be worse.
Well that's not a strategy, right, This is killing the city,
a terrible litigation strategy. And she was never a litigator.
So one of the things I bring to the table one,
I've been in criminal law for twenty eight years. So
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I have the endorsements of Steve Cooley, Jackie Lacy, big
endorsement this week from District Attorney Nathan Hakman. Oh, you
got all the big hitters in the Los Angeles the
last three dec league, and with my twenty eight experience,
twenty eight years of experience one hundred jury trials. I
would be a great city prosecutor for the City of
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Los Angeles. But beyond that, I have twenty eight years
of litigation experience, meaning I know my way in and
out of a lawsuit. I can identify five cases that
need to be settled early, and I can identify the
ones we should fight and win. What's the mistake being made, like,
what differentiates a case that the city settles early when
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they should fight it, as opposed to one that they
shouldn't fight it?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I can only imagine that the city attorney, because
she's never tried a case, she's never stood in front
of a jury, she doesn't understand some of the legal
and emotional nuances of these cases. I can almost identify
a case that is likely to win or will be
a struggle within a few minutes of hearing the facts
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because I've been doing it for so long. In fact,
when I talk to some of our younger lawyers sometimes
about their cases and they're struggling to figure out the
strategy of it, for me, it's it's immediate, and I'm
not a genius. I'm just very experienced. So the city
attorney has a reputation for settling cases that should be fought,
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in fighting cases that should have been settled. There's a
bad judgment, right, would be a bad umpire, balls would strikes,
strikes would be balld. Absolutely, yeah, that's just kind of
some of that's just an innate talent, I think sometimes
to be able to synthesize the information quickly, you know
which direction to go in.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, and you got to have a great team. So
I'm looking forward to modernizing that office, identifying our talent,
making sure they get the best training. I want to
partner with the DA's office. I think there's a lot
to come up that kind of partnership, both on criminal
prosecutions and even civil attorney development, skill development.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right, can you stay another segment? Absolutely? Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Election day is already started, right. The ballots were mailed
out Monday. A lot you may have gotten it yesterday
or today certainly, or the day before. So we're spending
a lot of time this week heavily on the election.
And the City Attorney of Los Angeles is very important.
Even if you're not paying attention, and we don't, we
have a bad one right now. Heidi Feldstein Soto. John
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McKinney would be a good one. And like you said,
he's got all the people I thought had been great das,
I mean, Steve Cooley, Jackie Lacy, Nathan Hockman, they've been
superb das and they all pick him to be city attorney.
We'll talk more with John McKinney coming up.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
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six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Continue with John McKinney, who's running for city attorney. This
is a little different than District attorney, which is a
county a county office that Nathan Hockman is running for.
And John ran for that office and did well, fell
a little short, and Nathan Hackman beat George Gascon that year.
He's still a Deputy DA, still prosecuting cases, and now
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he's running for city attorney. And the city attorney handles
all the misdemeanors. Nathan Hawkman's office handles the felonies and
also handles all the daily business of the city, especially
with the lawsuits. And what is it. I mean, everyone
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feels like LA's out of control right with the crime
and especially and this is what really fries me. Karen
Bass will tell you that, well, crime is down because
murders are down right. Gang members have stopped shooting each other,
But it's the misdemeanors. It's everything else that drive me
and my wife crazy. Like my wife has taking our
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dog to the vet eye problem, and there was there
was a there was a guy pooping right in front
of her, which used to be a misdemeanor, right that
I've arrested for. And you know, I could name all
the bad behavior that we see in the streets. Can
you do anything about that? As city attorney any influence
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to process the crimes. I know you can't do anything
unless the police bring you the case, but I mean,
what can be done from the inside here to try
to make this place more livable because it's really gotten
disgusting and scary.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, the city attorney absolutely can do something about those
quality of life crimes that you are describing the small things,
because let's face it, misdemeanors are not the crimes of
the century there. They're not the crimes that I'm used
to prosecuting in the DA's office. But unless you've been
the victim of a very serious and violent crime, misdemeanors
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actually impact your life in the aggregate more than the
felony crists. Yeah, and and they're kind of crimes that
make our city feel dirty, chaotic. It leads to a
lot of stress and anxiety, and we need, absolutely need
to increase the enforcement of these of the laws that
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we have to deal with these crimes. Now start with policing.
So I'm a strong advocate of the Los Angeles Police Department.
That department is woefully understaffed at only eighty five hundred officers.
If they got to ten thousand, eight still be understaffed.
They need about thirteen or fourteen thousand sworn officers to
adequately police the second largest city in the country, four
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million people, five hundred square miles. Let's look at Chicago
by comparison. Chicago has about a million and a half
fewer people and about two hundred square miles of less territory.
They have eleven thousand sworn officers to our eighty five hundred.
So we need more police officers. When we get more
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police officers, and we will, it's just a matter of
time before voters decide that to secure LA they need
to change some people in elective office. When we get
that number of police officer, then we'll be in a
good position to really secure our streets, our entertainment areas,
our homes. There's some areas in LA that could benefit
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from community police and let's get these men and women
out of their cars on the street, getting to know
the merchants, getting to know the people who live in
the neighborhood, walk the parks. That's the LA that I envision.
We're a long way from there. We got a lot
of work to do, but it really starts with voters
deciding we need change, and in this city Attorney's race,
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they have an opportunity to make a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Do you think they're there?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Because it's been an astonishing run of bad voting by
the people who bother to vote, which aren't that many
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
People are there.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I've been around the city for the three months that
I've been in this race. I've been sitting in neighborhood
council meetings, sitting in the back of the room, just listening,
taking the temperature all over the city, and no matter
where I've been, I've heard the same thing. People are angry,
and they are frustrated, and they want change. I think
this will be a big change election.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I happen to be a big fan of Tracy park.
I thought her election was the canary in the coal mine. Yes,
then we got Nathan Hoffman, then we got Prop thirty six.
You know, we've been moving slowly in the right direction.
I think this election will be more dramatic than just
one change at a time, hopefully.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, you talked earlier about you know, part of the
job is figuring out when the city gets sued, what
what lawsuits to fight and when, and what to settle early.
Because right now you think Heidie Feldstein Soto, the incumbent,
uh settles the lawsuits that she shouldn't and and fights
the lawsuits that she should and she misses on both ends.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
What else? As you've been observing the city in the
last few years, do you say, when I get in there,
this is going to change? Like? What else?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Like gets under your skin and you think I got
to fix that if I get in there.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah. Well, as city attorney, unfortunately I won't have lawmaking
ability or policy making ability. I have to defend the city.
But there are a lot of things I can. First
of all, as the legal advisor to the mayor, I'll
spend a lot of time with the mayor whomever she
or he is, and it gives me an opportunity to
not just give them the best legal advice that I can,
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but it gives me a chance to give them some
practical advice. The practical advice related to the decisions that
they make. And that's for each council member. And I think,
you know, I have the personality and I have the
credibility that although I would think I'm not aligned with
some of the council members, We'll still have good communication
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and good rapport. That's really what it's going to take.
One election isn't going to change things overnight. It's going
to be a process of change and people changing, people
changing their positions, letting go of some of the it
advocacy that a lot of our council members are used to.
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You know, a lot of people get elected to office
because they were good activists. I remember my sister telling
me one time, John, anybody could be a social critic,
but not everybody solves problems, be a problem solver. Well,
we tend to elect critics who do a great job
of pointing out the problems, and we need those people,
but they're not the best in the problem solving role.
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And voters have to start looking for problem solvers and
leaders with vision to elect and to public office.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, John, I wish you a lot of luck. I'll
be voting for you. I've told my friends to vote
for you.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So I thank you for coming on and I really
do hope you win and you're part of the big
change because we need it badly here.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Okay, And when I win, I'll be back to talk
to you definitely and your audience and bring some real
transparency to government. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, that'd be great. John McKinney running for city attorney.
Vote for him in the city of Los Angeles. And
when we come back, I've actually wanted to open the
show with this, and we had so much going on
and the surprises going on. I want to play some
clips from the debate last night between Pratt and Bass
and Ramen, so we'll get to that next. We had
Spencer Pratt on in the first hour for an hour
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and that was came together at the last minute. We'll
talk more about what went on last night.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A
six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
If you're just joining us. A lot went on today
because shortly before the show we got Spencer Pratt book
and he came on stayed here in the studio for
an hour. That's also our live stream. It's already been
put on YouTube, so you could watch us talk. You
could listen to us on the podcast. Also, we had
Doctor oz On at four o'clock to talk about the
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MacArthur Park drug bust, of the gangs and the hospice nonsense.
And then we just had John McKinney, who's running for
City Attorney and he's the guy who to vote for
for La City at two journey and he handles the
misdemeanors and the day to day business with the civil lawsuits.
Now I'm probably gonna have to play some of these tomorrow.
I wanted to play a whole bunch of them today,
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but all this stuff happened. And it's about the debate
last night, and I knew within the first two minutes
that Conan Nolan was going to have a fantastic night.
He's I think he surprised a lot of people. He's
a very smart guy and he learns quickly, and he
came out in a very rational, controlled but blunt manner
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and just described what he has seen with his own
eyes and heard with his own ears, and it matches
everything that we've seen as well. And Karen Bass was
on defense. But the contrast when her and Nitthia Rahman talk,
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they talk in political ease. They they talk in circles,
they talk in jargon, they talk in the cliches and platitudes,
and you hear Spencer Pratt speak and it's like a
different language, a different version of English. So we're gonna
play a clip here because this really is the crux
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of this whole race. There's other issues, but her being
out of the country for the fire and then all
the follow up incompetence and the follow up cover ups.
So here's Connan Nolan with a question and Bass with
an answer.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So, Marre, this is for you.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I know that you have apologized for being out of
the out of the country during those wildfires, but still
there are plenty of people who believe that the city
let them down. The Los Angeles Fire Department, for some reason,
didn't have a strike team or a brush unit where
there had been a fire just days earlier and had
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been reports it was still smoldering. That appears to be inexcusable.
LEDWP had a reservoir that was dry, the fire.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Hydrants went dry.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So based on that issue alone, articulate for us why
you should get a second contract as the mayor of
the city.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Absolutely. Well, first of all, thank you very much for
the opportunity to speak with you. You know, when I
took over as mayor, LA was definitely facing an awful
lot of tough problems and obviously January seventh was horrible
and as I have told you before, it was one
of the worst moments of my life to not be
here when my city needed me, and it didn't matter
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where I was or why I was away. To me,
it reminds me of like if you're away in a
family members in an accident.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, can you stop there?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Then?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
How can we got to stop and start this one?
Because there's so much nonsense. She has used that answer repeatedly.
I've heard her give that answer about It's like when
a family member is in distress and you're not there
for them, and it does matter why and where you were.
It matters that you flew all the way to Africa
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after you were warned repeatedly for a week red flag warnings,
high fire danger, the most apocalyptic language I've ever seen
from the National Weather Service. And you know, maybe I'm
biased because I work at a radio station, but we
had those warnings running every fifteen minutes for days. It
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is impossible, as the mayor of Los Angeles with a
personal staff of over one hundred, that she was not aware.
That it's such a lie. It's impossible not to be aware.
It's like you're saying, I'm not aware of the sun.
I'm not aware of gravity. It was days and days
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of warnings, and that's why I'm resentful. And yes, you
were going there for pleasure. You were going there because
you wanted to be a big diplomatic deal. You were
going to Africa. Joe Biden had asked you to go
for the inauguration of the President of Ghana, of all things.
So it was a trivial social mission. Nobody needs Karen
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Bassett their inauguration in the middle of Africa. That's not required.
That wasn't a family emergency, that wasn't a once in
a lifetime event of birth or death or wedding. This
was you gratifying your ego. You wanted to be an
international diplomat for a few days, and you couldn't give
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that up even with the warnings that's the killer. This
didn't come out of nowhere. It came with a week's
worth of warnings. You notice she never said why she
deserves a second term yet, which was the question, why,
after the worst decision I've seen any mayor make at
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any time in life, why she should have She shouldn't
have been trusted for another day?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Continue.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
You know, when I took over as mayor, LA was
definitely facing an awful lot of tough problems, and obviously
January seventh was horrible, and as I have told you before,
it was one of the worst moments of my life
to not be here when my city needed me, and
it didn't matter where I was or why I was away.
To me, it reminds me of like if you're away
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in a family members in an accident. But I think
that I deserve a second term and I'm going to
fight for that deserve because we have made significant progress
in a variety of eras. For example, homelessness was going
up year after year, and under my watch, it is
the first time we've had a decrease in street homelessness.
While it went up in the country eighteen percent, it
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came down in Los Angeles seventeen and a half percent.
I expedited the building of housing because our number one
issue in this city is affordability, and one of the
main drivers for.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Affordability is housing. Right, So let me followed up with
the fires.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Though one gets the impression based on what we saw
that you prioritized wages and benefits a hike in the
salaries of the firefighters union over the operations budget.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
We saw those pictures.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Of those engines that were inoperable because they didn't have
enough mechanics.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
To fix them. Well, was that a mistake? Explain that
to this So let me just.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Say, first of all, the primary problem there was that
the chief sent home a thousand firefighters. We actually had
fire trucks with not enough firefighters there. So, yes, there
were fire trucks that were broken, but there were also
fire trucks that were out of use because she had
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sent the firefighters home. You are correct, was supposed to
have been deployment and pre deployment in the area that
did not happen. But the same way that LA was
not prepared.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Neither was the county.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh stop, you believe that, well, well, the county wasn't
wasn't prepared too. That doesn't matter to the people of Palisades.
Palisades is governed in serviced by the City of La
for the for the La City firefighting crew.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That the county doesn't matter here. That was a horrific answer.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And she said, yeah, that there should have been something
deployed or pre deployed, referring to the January first fire.
If you were here instead of in Africa, another mayor
like Rick Caruso or like Spencer Pratt would have had
a meeting the night before and saying, hey, we had
that fire. Fires can rekindle with strong winds. Do we
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have a crew up there? If we don't, let's get
a crew up there right now. She's in charge of
the fire department. She could order the fire chief to
send a crew up there. But you have to be
in your office to have that conversation with the fire chief.
That was the root of this problem. First was the arsonist.
Then the fire department doesn't put out the fire, and
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then she is in Africa. Yes, it matters that she's
in Africa. She wasn't in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
All right, I gotta take a break.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
You're listening to that John Cobelt on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (24:30):
All right, and i'd tell you tomorrow I'm going to
get into all the clips because how many clips do
I have here?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I had ten clips I wanted to go through about
the debate, but everything else popped up, so I need
about six seven hours. Don't give anybody ideas. All right,
here's Spencer Pratt who just wiped the floor with Bass
and Kenonias. They are the Psycho sisters. What an incompetent
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set of morons. They are got to clean myself up here.
So here's Pratt and calling Bass and Kenonia's out for
all the stupid things they did. Cut three.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
So the Mary Karen Basses the thousand firefighters that were available,
but there was no engines for them because of the
seventeen million dollars that Chief Crowley had asked the mayor
for nine weeks before, and Mayor Karen Bass denied it.
So they may have been available, but they didn't have
the equipment they needed. Not to mention Jennie quinnonas who
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Mayor Karen Bass put into her position of power at
the LADWP. She drained both of these reservoirs that these
firefighters needed to put out these fires. A lot of
people will talk about climate change and hurricane force winds.
The winds and the psiric policies never reached higher than
forty miles per hour for those first six hours. That
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didn't go above twenty seven miles per hour. So without
those two reservoirs filled with one hundred and seventeen million
gallons and five million gallons, these firefighters had to fly
all the way Malibu and Encino to get water. So
that to me, is the most dangerous thing that the
mayor put us up against. Mister Prattle, follow up here, though,
what would you do moving forward that would make this
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better two years from now if we face the same situation. Well,
first off, as mayor, I will never drain the reservoirs
that we need for wildfire protection.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Is that complicated?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Do you need an agree in fire science to say
I am not going to drain one hundred and seventeen
million gallons of water out of the reservoir that was
originally designed for firefighting, which it was. And it's amazing
how many lies that Bassett and the rest of them tell.
And I think Colleen Williams and Colin Olan were wrong yesterday.
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The word liar is a description of the way somebody
is behaving. It's not name calling. It means you willfully
are not telling the truth. I don't know what they
wanted him to say. Well, it's just inaccurate. Inaccurate sounds
like you slightly missed on an estimate. Like you know,
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I thought fixing the roof was going to cost twelve
thousand dollars. It's going to cost twelve thousand and three hundred. Oh,
you gave me an inaccurate estimate there. This was an
out right why and she repeats it so much that
people believe it. Yeah, the winds weren't that bad during
the day in the Palisades, which is when they should
have put out the fire during the day, within the
first few hours. If they had that strike team at
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the sight of the original fire, it would not have
been a big deal, barely.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I wouldn't even have made the news.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The highest winds, let's say eighty, were in the middle
of the night way up the mountain, but in Palisades
proper or all the damage happened.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, the winds never.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Cracked forty I mean I was watching all the TV
coverage that night. You can tell on TV if you
have one hundred mile an hour wind. I've watched hurricanes.
Palisades was not suffering from a hurricane that night. Down
in the flats where the city is, way far up
on the mountains of miles away, that's where the Santa
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Ana winds will blow really hard.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Everybody knows that I can't stand her lying.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I mean, I mean, and and the reservoir, I mean,
it was a horrible botch. And Bass should be questioned severely,
starting with what did you do over the seven days
when the whole city knew about the warnings? Why do
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you keep insisting you never heard them? That's not possible.
If you're that insulated, then that in itself should be
worthy of indictment. Well, he did great last night, and
there's a lot of other stuff we could talk about tomorrow.
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Unless all kinds of other exciting things happen, you never know.
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