February 5, 2026 • 32 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (02/05) - Alex Stone comes on the show to talk about the latest going on with Savannah Guthrie's missing mom. More on Mayor Karen Bass reportedly having the Palisades Fire after-action report altered. Waymo employs remote vehicle operators in Philippines.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John
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two pm, we put out that one o'clock podcast, and
the same thing after the two o'clock hour and the
three o'clock hour. That's the new system, so you could
download the podcast minutes after that hour is over. There's
a tremendous amount going on. Two things. I guarantee you
we'll get to in great to tail number one, we're
going to talk to Lee Zelden, at least Zelden rather,
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he's the head of the EPA and the Trump administration,
and he has been put in charge of the federal
response to the Palisades and Alt Dedena fires, the new
response as everybody's realized that the La County Supervisors and
Karen Bass are doing absolutely nothing to help people rebuild,
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so the Trump administration is stepping in. Yesterday we took
with the head of the Small Business Administration Kelly Loffler. Today,
we've got the EPA administrator Lee Zelden, who's in charge
of the new federal operation out here to try to help.
Somebody's got to help these people. This is just atrocious.
So we got that going on, and well, the wild
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day yesterday with the Eli Times exposing Karen Bass for
being the liar of all liars, and she's had a response,
and it has also caused a possible major shake up,
multiple shakeups, and the mayor's race. Get to all that.
Just be patient, sit down, enjoy the afternoon. Let's go
to Alex Stone on the other big issue, or the
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big story, I should say. Nancy Guthrie, the mother of
Savannah Guthrie, the NBC Today Show anchor, still missing and
there's a tremendous amount of police and FBI resources pouring
into the Tucson area to try to solve this case.
Alex explain what's going on. Yeah, so quite a bit
new to report, John and what we got from the sheriff. So,
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first of all, no proof of life yet has been
given by anybody who may have taken the Nancy Guthrie. Nothing.
And the first deadline is at four pm R time.
Tonight that they got in that ransom note that went
to the local TV stations in Tucson and a TMZ,
so that is coming up tonight. They don't know if
it is real or not, but they know the deadline's
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coming up and Savannah Gothrie and her siblings. They put
out that pretty heart wrenching video last night to the
kidnappers with the message to them saying, we need to.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Know without a doubt that she is alive and that
you have her. We want to hear from you and
we are ready to listen.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So the FBI is paying attention to that note because
it did include detail about an Apple Watch left unseen
and a smashed camera outside, things that the kidnapper would
have known. But that is also stuff that the Apple
Watch has been reported in the media and you could
pretty easily see a broken broken light or a camera.
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So they think the letter could be a hoax, but
they don't know because it did have some details. If
they look at when was that first reported in the media.
That's why they don't like certain details to get out
that only the kidnapper would know it, and when did
the letter come in. But today the FBI Special Agent
in charge Heath Yankee say this.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
To those imposters who are trying to take advantage and
profit from this situation, we will investigate and ensure you
were held accountable for your actions.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Now, he's saying, if this turns out to be a hoax,
but there's at least one known hoax ransom letter and
a person's been arrested for that is in custody in Arizona.
And then John, we got a new timeline today. One
forty seven Sunday morning, her doorbell camera went offline. It disconnected.
That camera is gone. They don't know where it is.
It disappeared from the scene at two twelve am. The
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cameras around the home detected a person on camera, but
they can't retrieve the video because she wasn't paying for
a subscription. So apparently if you're not paying that ring
or Nest subscription, the video is never kept and the
camera company says no video exists because there was no subscription,
so they weren't saving the video. So it detected a person,
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but beyond that, they don't know who it was or
even really what it was. Sheriff Chris Nanos said today
saying this, that's what it.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Says, so the detects a person on camera. Could that
be an animal?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I imagine that's possible. We don't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
We just have no video, but we're not giving up
on that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So and then at two twenty eight am, her pacemaker
disconnected from her phone and they think that that's probably
when she was being taken out of the home or
left the home. The sheriff is confirming blood on the
front porch. Came back to Nancy Guthrie that that was blood.
It looked like it was blood, but nobody knew for sure.
And the tons of new leads are coming in, but
they don't have a suspect or even a person of
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interest who they're focused in on. He says, they have nobody,
and he had some words for the media one outlet
that named a person, saying that that does harm to
the case, but also to the person because they get
targeted by people around the world who are angry at
them or sending them messages and different things. So he's saying,
please be careful with this. And they're operating from the
position that she is alive, but they just don't know.
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And the sheriff attacute. Right now, we believe Nancy is
still out there. We want her home, but they say
they have no information that she was taken into Mexico.
There's the chance, he says, that this is not a kidnapping,
but from the evidence, they believe it was a kidnapping,
but they don't know. Maybe it's not the ransom note.
That deadline coming up tonight. They say they need that
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proof of life. But as deadlines come and go, they
say they're going to then find out if that ransom
note was real or not. If it's not a kidnapping,
what would it possibly be. She didn't leave on her
own accord. Yeah, that that that sheriff makes strange statements
at times. Well, I mean, I think the issue is
that they don't know what it is. You know, did
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she finds some way to walk out and they haven't
found her and she's, you know, somewhere in the area.
They don't know. They put up a fifty thousand dollars
reward today that the FBI did for either her safe
return or for the capture of the people responsible for
her kidnapping, if in fact that's what it is. But
they haven't had any contact from anybody. They don't know
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if the ransom note is real. They've had no indication
that she's dead or alive. They just they don't know.
I imagine in this era they're getting inundated with all
kinds of crack pots. Yeah, who're giving them all kinds
of fake whip the es yes tips notes. According to
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the criminal complaint of the one guy, that he texted
the family some note because he just wanted to see
if they would respond, if he could get a response
out of them, And now he's facing federal charges. But
it could be that it could be to try to
make money. We know that the ransom note that they're
looking at it demanded millions of dollars in bitcoin. That
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is one of the deadlines. The amount will go up
tonight and then next week the outcome will be much
more severe. I've also got to believe there's a lot
of information they're not making public for good reason. Yeah, team,
I just remember that the Coburger case, they had a
lot of information. They were pretending they were lost in
the dark, and really they knew who it was, and
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they tracked them all the way to the parents' house
in Pennsylvania. Yeah. Well, and we asked our team asked
the shriff that and he said, well you can believe
what you know what's going on. You know, he said,
look that we've got investigative things that we've got to do,
and he won't talk about the crime scene at all
because only the kidnapper. They want to know them and
the kidnapper, what went on, what the scene looks like,
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so that you know, the apple watch got out there,
the blood got out there, the smashed light got out there.
That those were things that they wanted only the kidnapper
to know so that they could verify if somebody writes
in or calls in that that person must be authentic.
But some of that's been getting out there all right,
Alex Stone, ABC News, Thank you very much. You got it. Thanks, John. Yeah. Really,
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I mean when it reaches this level of publicity and
public interest, it usually the case is quite bizarre. But
this one really is something else, because it's so inexplicable
to take an eighty four year old woman unless you
want something for her, right because she's the mother of
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a famous person, somebody that they assume has lots of money. Yeah,
it could be a targeted kidnapping, but then you'd say, okay,
this is what I want. Maybe they have, but you
got to follow up. You got to prove that the
target of the kidnapping is alive, because they're not going
to send you millions of dollars only to find out
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the worst happened. All right, We've got so much to do.
Well die, all right, Karen Bass. It was caught telling
the big lie. And while she's while she's issued a
half hearted denial, there's one thing that she's not saying,
nor is anyone else in the administration or the fire
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department saying. And this would settle the issue. But nobody's talking.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I'll tell you what's the one thing we're not hearing.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Next, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Karen Bass is, as you know, a compulsive, pathological liar,
and she keeps trying to sell stories which are just
impossible to believe. And the latest one is that she
had nothing to do with the edit and the rewrite
of the after action Fire Department report which basically exonerated
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the city and the Fire Department of any incompetence or
any stupidity. And I knew instinctively it was her erasing
her responsibility and the responsibility of the people that she appointed,
because we've got so much news coverage and also we
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got so much testimony in that civil lawsuit. And if
you remember, there was a series of witnesses in the
civil lawsuit who were getting deposed by Roger Bailey and
other attorneys who are representing thousands of Palisades residents, and
it was painting a pretty clear picture of what happened.
The original fire on January first, that was never put
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out completely and firefighters still were dealing with hotspots and smoldering,
and the LA Fire Department left the scene of the
original fire, and that's where the fire re ignited, and
they were chased off by State Park rep employees. They
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didn't publicize that they were being chased off, they didn't
push back very much on these employees. They simply left
and no crew was sent up there over the next
few days, despite all the warnings of extreme fire danger
and extreme wind. And it was incredible, colossal, overwhelming incompetence
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and stupidity. And that's the truth. That's what happened. I
don't think any thinking person could come up with another conclusion.
And you even had former LA Fire officials testifying to
that in a Senate hearing that yeah, that's what happened.
Patrick Butler, for example, who was with LA Fire Department
for thirty one years and was at the scene of
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the fire because now he is chief at Redondo Beach,
he wrote, remember the protocols how you deal with disastrous
fires like this, and he could see that nothing was
done that should have been done. So there's no question
that that's what should have been written in the after
action report because we already knew this. We knew this
from news investigations, primarily by the LA Times, and by
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what the plaintiff attorneys had been finding out from their
investigation and from testimony, So we knew this. She rewrites
it and pretends she has nothing to do with it
and now is accusing the LA Times of muck raking journalism. Well,
there's an easy way to end this fake dispute, because
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news coverage being what it is, they lead with. The
Los Angeles Times says there are people inside the BASS organization,
inside the Bass administration, who are saying she did rewrite
the report or ordered the rewrites. Well, the mayor is
denying such a matter. Well, the mayor says it's buck
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raking journalism. It's kind of on the one hand, On
the other hand, there is no other hand. She either
did it or someone else did it. There's no question
it was rewritten. There's no question that there were six
versions of the report. Could you get could you get
that clip of the latest fire Chief, I mean more
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than one we've been playing all week. Get that one ready,
because that's that's part of the thing, part of the
answer that settles this. If Karen Bass didn't do the
rewrite or order the rewrite, why doesn't she stand up
in front of a microphone and a camera and tell
us who did? Who did? If it wasn't Karen Bass
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doing the rewrite, if it wasn't Karen Bass ordering the rewrite,
who did it? Just tell us running v in a wava,
the interim fire Chief apparently was told to do to
get the rewrite facilitated. Is that speaking? He won't give it,
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he won't comment. Ronnie van a Wavin, tell us who
ordered or facilitated the rework? Simple? And then you have
Heimi Moore here. He's asked this directly by Fox eleven.
It's Matthew Seedorf. Play this clip. Don't have it ready?
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He's the current LA Fire Department chief, and his response is, well,
what are people going to do with that information, which
implies that he knows. Of course he knows, so his
being a way of it, and so does bats just
answer the question? If you tell us who did it,
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then everyone will stand down and then we'll go after
the person who ordered the rewrite. Now, I can't imagine
that anybody would else would have the power to order
or rewrite other than Karen Bass, unless it was Ronnie
vn Aweva. But he wasn't even the fire chief when
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all the bad stuff happened, so why would he want
to cover for other people? He might follow orders, but
who gave the original or it's got to be Karen Bass.
And if it wasn't Karen Bass, then Karen Bass herself,
or Ronnie van Aweva or Haimi Moore or somebody would say, oh,
I know who it is. It's this person, and here's
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why they did it. The only one who had the
power and the end was implicated in the decision making
would be Karen Bass. And accusing the newspaper of muck
raking when they gave you two overwhelming endorsements to become
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mayor over Rick Caruso. I mean, she's a shameless liar,
shameless at deflecting and trying to change to change the subject.
You know, when she got some of the news media
to do, they start changing the subject and say, well,
she's denying it. Well she's denying. Well, of course, if
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you get caught like she got caught, you deny it too.
She did it, so she's got no morals, so of
course she's gonna lie and deny it. She lied and
covered up her role. She lied at the beginning. Going
back to January, she claimed that she didn't even know
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that the bad winds were coming and that there was
bad fire danger. Remember that she action was on with
Alex Michaelston said, oh nobody told me. I got more
on that when we come back.
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Call in, please call in on Karen Bass's Big Lie,
or you can use the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app.
And I'm just gonna constantly reiterate this point. If Karen
Bess really believes the LA Times is wrong with its
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story that she was the perpetrator either editing or ordering
the LA Fire Department report to be edited. Either she
did it herself or she ordered it to be done.
If that's wrong, tell us who did it. She knows
Ronnie Vanuwavn knows the interim chief, the current chief, himI Moore,
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knows himI Moore. This is what I wanted to play.
This is Heimi Moore. If you haven't heard this yet,
he said this earlier this week to Matthew Seedorf from
Fox eleven. Now listen to this stupid answer. We're closer
to learning who ordered down this report, and you ordered
that to be watered down. So, just like the mayor's
State of the City address, I think we need to
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look forward. We need to look for what's ahead, that's
behind us. Kind of want those answers. Well, I understand that,
but they have to understand what are they going to
do with those answers.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
They want to point fingers, They want to point Blaine,
I've taken ownership.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
He makes it sound like we're all committing some kind
of sin. Right, homeowners who had their homes burned down.
You're wrong to ask who is lying on that fire
department report, because that's what it was. It was a
bunch of lies. They can call it down playing, watering down.
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You're out in that lies. So who ordered the what? Hey,
Haimi Mortic, just tell us we can What are you
going to do with the information? What are you going
to do with the information? Like, I'm like, I'm going
to tell his mother or father, right, don't wrap me out,
don't tell on me. Yeah, I'm not taking it to
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the teacher by me really, just since I'm a taxpayer here, Okay,
that fire happened less than three miles from my house,
I have a vested interest. I oh, you know, we
hired and this is extremely minor compared to all the
fire victims, but we actually had to hire some people
to clean all the filth and ash off our entire house.
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I mean, our whole outside of our home was covered
in fire ash and gunk. Yeah, I want to know who.
The reason I want the information is I want to
tell everybody who still may feel a little warm towards
Karen Bass that she is a culprit here. She is
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the bad person. She doesn't get rewarded with another term
as mayor what are you gonna do with it? Then
then they'll know for sure who's responsible for covering up
you know, like Richard Nixon eventually got bounced, right, he know,
sports to resign why because he was covering up his crimes.
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She's covering up her crimes. I think a lot of
this actually should be real crimes that she'd go to
jail for. We're gonna point fingers, Yes, we're gonna point fingers, Yes,
we're gonna point blame. Because the people involved in this
should never work in government again. Karen Bass should never
hold office, and whatever fire officials were responsible should be
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out of the fire department. They should be forced to retire.
They should resign. They ought to give up their stupid
pensions too. Maybe they ought to be charged. Maybe some
of the fire officials ought to be charged criminally. That's
what we want to do with the information. Point fingers,
point blame. That's our information. We paid for this. What
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are you gonna do with it? Like a kid? What
are you gonna do with it? But do whatever I
want with it. People should change their voting patterns. They
should demand everybody's resignation. They should demand that they be fired,
they should demand criminal charges. We're paying for this. We
pay for Heimimore's salary, We pay for Ronnie van a
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wave a salary. We pay for Karen Bass's salary. We
pay for their desks, we pay for their computers, we
pay for their chairs, their pens, their pencils, their uniforms.
We pay for it all. It's all ours, So and
that information is ours. I like, I like how you know? Well,
I was so attracted to public service. I really enjoyed
serving the public, except when the public wants a straight
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answer and it's like, well, what are you gonna do
with it? That is going down to the Hall of Fame. Now.
Michael Schellenberger was a great writer, and he's got a
substack website publicnews dot com. You should subscribe to that.
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Michael Schellenberger put together a list that he's reposted of
all the National Weather Service fire warnings because this was
like one of the original lies that Karen Bass told
that she didn't know the fire and the winds were coming.
So he put together the list. He's got screenshots. National
Weather Service Los Angeles January second, potential for moderate to
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strong sant Ana wins and extreme fire, Extreme fire weather
conditions next Tuesday through Thursday, that would be January seventh
through ninth, along with a graphic from the National Weather
Service showing a massive wildfire that's January second. Okay now
in the Palisades, the January first fire is still smoldering,
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still hot, the rocks, the tree stumps right, there's still
smoke coming out of the ground. Extreme fire weather conditions
January three. National Weather Service, Los Angeles critical fire conditions.
Fire season will continue into the new year. Potential for
damaging north to northeast winds likely to peak next Tuesday
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and Wednesday. Okay, January second, January third, January third, second warning,
fire weather watch in effect for much of Venturing LA counties.
Take action now be prepared at this point. Karen Bass
is here for January second, January third, and now January fourth.
Critical fire conditions, says the National Weather Service. Fire weather
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watches and high wind watches in effect. Strong damaging north
to northeast winds peaking Tuesday and Wednesday. That same day
as this warning was coming out. Mayor Karen Bass flies
to Ghana escaping the winds. January fifth. Cheese landing in
Ghana scattered down trees and power outages likely in addition
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to rapid fire growth, extreme behavior with any fire starts.
This is January fifth, National Weather Service. January sixth, National
Weather Service life threatening, destructive, widespread windstorm, strong winds are coming,
a particularly dangerous situation. In other words, said the National
Weather Service, this is about as bad as it gets
in terms of fire weather. January seventh, the day of
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the fire, an extremely dangerous situation is unfolding. Evacuate from wildfires,
a particularly dangerous sort, a particularly dangerous situation. Today on
January seventh, Karen Bass goes to the cocktail party. Did
everybody forget all that? January second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,
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six full days of fire warnings. She got on the
plane to Ghana. She lands in Ghana, She goes to
the cocktail party in Ghana. Then she comes back and
tells Alex Michaelson, oh, I didn't know. She actually said
she didn't know that the the firestorm was coming. Nobody
told her now that I don't even think Noosa would
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try that one. I don't eve think Bill Clinton would
try that one. She is the liar of the twenty
first century. And now she says she had nothing to
do with editing or rewriting the after action report. We'll
have more on this later in the show.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM six.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Forty coming up after two o'clock. The gas prices are
going up. You might have noticed because Valero shut down
the Venetia refinery on January thirty. First. This is Gavin
Newsom's doing. Gavin Newsom's taxes and regulations forced Valero to
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shut down its refinery. Now the price of gas is
going up. We're going to talk to Mike Ariza, former
Valero manager and oil gas X and said he's gonna
tell us about the shutdown and what this is going
to do to gas prices. Now, I only have a
couple of minutes. I just want to sneak this in
because I can't stand weaymos. I've made that clear. And
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on the West side of Los Angeles, they're everywhere, especially
again into Santa Monica. Every morning I drive to get
my bagel and my progress is impeded by some stupid
Weaimo car. They're not smart cars. They're stupid cars because
they don't they don't really respond to a drive the
way people do, right, They insist on going often below
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the speed limit and there's nobody on the road, right. Yeah,
if it's thirty mile an hour speed limit, you know
normal people do you go thirty five to forty that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They go five miles under the limit often and I
end up passing them all the time, and they they're
stupid cars. And get this, these cars are being guided
remotely by people not even in this country. Listen to
this clip. This is the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science,
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and Transportation and a Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey is questioning
weimo's chief safety officer, doctor Mauricio Pana about where are
the people who remotely guide these WEIMO cars. Listen to
this Yes, so.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
No, does WEIMO employ humans located remotely to help its
vehicles navigate difficult driving scenarios.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Center they provide guidance, They do not remotely drive the vehicles.
As you stated, WEIMO asks for guidance in certain situations
and gets an input, But the WEIMO vehicle is always
in charge of the dynamic driving tasks, so that is
just one additional inputs.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
But the human being, the human being helps the vehicle
to navigate those difficult driving scenarios.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Is that correct? Yes?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Okay, So are all of these human operators located in
the United States they all hear, No, we.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Have some in the US and some are abroad.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So how does that break down? What percent are abroad?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Center?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I don't have that number for you. We can get
back to you.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Is it a majority of or abroad?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I just don't have that number.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Well, that's very curious that someone who's running the program
has no idea how that workforce breaks down. Just seems
kind of curious that you don't know that answer. But
are some of these operators located outside the United States?
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Some are located abroad. Yeah, And so for me, that's
fairly shocking. WEIMO has critical safety employees who may need
to intervene in a split second if a WEIMO encounters
an unknown dangerous situation located located in the United States,
but they are outside the United States in what countries?
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Are these implay located The Philippines, Jimmy, the Philippines. So
they're in the Philippines, mister Paine. That is completely unacceptable.
Here's why having people overseas influencing American vehicles is a
safety issue. The information the operators received could be out
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of date, it could introduce tremendous cybersecurity vulnerabilities. We don't
know if these people have US driver's licenses. And let's
not forget WAIMO is trying to replace the jobs of
hardworking taxi and ride share drivers. And now you're saying
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that of the human beings, the human jobs that remain
in the system, you're shipping those jobs overseas. It's one
thing when a taxi is replaced by an uber or
a lift. It's another thing when the jobs just go
completely overseas.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There's somebody in the philip Beans guiding that WEIMO. So
I'm stuck beside a WAYMO that's going to you know,
twenty three miles an hour. And there's a guy in
the Philippines who's what knotted off? Is he working the
night shift there? And what would he know about driving
laws in California? Maybe he's never even driven. Maybe they're
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you know, hiring teenagers for two dollars an hour. That's crazy,
that's completely nuts. And so what happened if their communication
system goes down between here and the Philippines. See, they're
stupid cars, they're not smart cars. Now, I saw I
saw today one weymouth stuck behind another weymo. There's one
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weymo that was afraid to make a turn onto a
main road. There's coming out of the side street, and
then there was a second waymo behind them, and the
second WAYMO. If the first WAMO doesn't move, the second
waymo will never move. And if you're the third car
behind the two waymos, forget about it. There's no chance
anybody's gonna move. So then you've got to try to
pass two of them and then go to an intersection. Hey,
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because the guys in the Philippines are what on lunch,
you don't even know if they speak English. Hate those things.
All right, we come back. We're gonna talk to Michael Reza,
former Valero manager and oil and gas expert, and he's
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gonna tell us that Valero started shutting down January thirty first,
the oil refinery in Benetia. And here we go with
the price increases. The price is already going up because
another huge refinery is being shut down. That's two of
them in the last few months, and that was about
twenty percent of the refining capacity in America. De Ebra
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Mark live in the KFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey,
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download the podcast minutes after that hour is over. There's
a tremendous amount going on. Two things. I guarantee you
we'll get to in great to tail number one, we're
going to talk to Lee Zelden, at least Zelden rather,
(00:44):
he's the head of the EPA and the Trump administration,
and he has been put in charge of the federal
response to the Palisades and Alt Dedena fires, the new
response as everybody's realized that the La County Supervisors and
Karen Bass are doing absolutely nothing to help people rebuild,
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so the Trump administration is stepping in. Yesterday we took
with the head of the Small Business Administration Kelly Loffler. Today,
we've got the EPA administrator Lee Zelden, who's in charge
of the new federal operation out here to try to help.
Somebody's got to help these people. This is just atrocious.
So we got that going on, and well, the wild
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day yesterday with the Eli Times exposing Karen Bass for
being the liar of all liars, and she's had a response,
and it has also caused a possible major shake up,
multiple shakeups, and the mayor's race. Get to all that.
Just be patient, sit down, enjoy the afternoon. Let's go
to Alex Stone on the other big issue, or the
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big story, I should say. Nancy Guthrie, the mother of
Savannah Guthrie, the NBC Today Show anchor, still missing and
there's a tremendous amount of police and FBI resources pouring
into the Tucson area to try to solve this case.
Alex explain what's going on. Yeah, so quite a bit
new to report, John and what we got from the sheriff. So,
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first of all, no proof of life yet has been
given by anybody who may have taken the Nancy Guthrie. Nothing.
And the first deadline is at four pm R time.
Tonight that they got in that ransom note that went
to the local TV stations in Tucson and a TMZ,
so that is coming up tonight. They don't know if
it is real or not, but they know the deadline's
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coming up and Savannah Gothrie and her siblings. They put
out that pretty heart wrenching video last night to the
kidnappers with the message to them saying, we need to.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Know without a doubt that she is alive and that
you have her. We want to hear from you and
we are ready to listen.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So the FBI is paying attention to that note because
it did include detail about an Apple Watch left unseen
and a smashed camera outside, things that the kidnapper would
have known. But that is also stuff that the Apple
Watch has been reported in the media and you could
pretty easily see a broken broken light or a camera.
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So they think the letter could be a hoax, but
they don't know because it did have some details. If
they look at when was that first reported in the media.
That's why they don't like certain details to get out
that only the kidnapper would know it, and when did
the letter come in. But today the FBI Special Agent
in charge Heath Yankee say this.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
To those imposters who are trying to take advantage and
profit from this situation, we will investigate and ensure you
were held accountable for your actions.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Now, he's saying, if this turns out to be a hoax,
but there's at least one known hoax ransom letter and
a person's been arrested for that is in custody in Arizona.
And then John, we got a new timeline today. One
forty seven Sunday morning, her doorbell camera went offline. It disconnected.
That camera is gone. They don't know where it is.
It disappeared from the scene at two twelve am. The
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cameras around the home detected a person on camera, but
they can't retrieve the video because she wasn't paying for
a subscription. So apparently if you're not paying that ring
or Nest subscription, the video is never kept and the
camera company says no video exists because there was no subscription,
so they weren't saving the video. So it detected a person,
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but beyond that, they don't know who it was or
even really what it was. Sheriff Chris Nanos said today
saying this, that's what it.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Says, so the detects a person on camera. Could that
be an animal?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I imagine that's possible. We don't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
We just have no video, but we're not giving up
on that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So and then at two twenty eight am, her pacemaker
disconnected from her phone and they think that that's probably
when she was being taken out of the home or
left the home. The sheriff is confirming blood on the
front porch. Came back to Nancy Guthrie that that was blood.
It looked like it was blood, but nobody knew for sure.
And the tons of new leads are coming in, but
they don't have a suspect or even a person of
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interest who they're focused in on. He says, they have nobody,
and he had some words for the media one outlet
that named a person, saying that that does harm to
the case, but also to the person because they get
targeted by people around the world who are angry at
them or sending them messages and different things. So he's saying,
please be careful with this. And they're operating from the
position that she is alive, but they just don't know.
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And the sheriff attacute. Right now, we believe Nancy is
still out there. We want her home, but they say
they have no information that she was taken into Mexico.
There's the chance, he says, that this is not a kidnapping,
but from the evidence, they believe it was a kidnapping,
but they don't know. Maybe it's not the ransom note.
That deadline coming up tonight. They say they need that
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proof of life. But as deadlines come and go, they
say they're going to then find out if that ransom
note was real or not. If it's not a kidnapping,
what would it possibly be. She didn't leave on her
own accord. Yeah, that that that sheriff makes strange statements
at times. Well, I mean, I think the issue is
that they don't know what it is. You know, did
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she finds some way to walk out and they haven't
found her and she's, you know, somewhere in the area.
They don't know. They put up a fifty thousand dollars
reward today that the FBI did for either her safe
return or for the capture of the people responsible for
her kidnapping, if in fact that's what it is. But
they haven't had any contact from anybody. They don't know
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if the ransom note is real. They've had no indication
that she's dead or alive. They just they don't know.
I imagine in this era they're getting inundated with all
kinds of crack pots. Yeah, who're giving them all kinds
of fake whip the es yes tips notes. According to
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the criminal complaint of the one guy, that he texted
the family some note because he just wanted to see
if they would respond, if he could get a response
out of them, And now he's facing federal charges. But
it could be that it could be to try to
make money. We know that the ransom note that they're
looking at it demanded millions of dollars in bitcoin. That
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is one of the deadlines. The amount will go up
tonight and then next week the outcome will be much
more severe. I've also got to believe there's a lot
of information they're not making public for good reason. Yeah, team,
I just remember that the Coburger case, they had a
lot of information. They were pretending they were lost in
the dark, and really they knew who it was, and
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they tracked them all the way to the parents' house
in Pennsylvania. Yeah. Well, and we asked our team asked
the shriff that and he said, well you can believe
what you know what's going on. You know, he said,
look that we've got investigative things that we've got to do,
and he won't talk about the crime scene at all
because only the kidnapper. They want to know them and
the kidnapper, what went on, what the scene looks like,
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so that you know, the apple watch got out there,
the blood got out there, the smashed light got out there.
That those were things that they wanted only the kidnapper
to know so that they could verify if somebody writes
in or calls in that that person must be authentic.
But some of that's been getting out there all right,
Alex Stone, ABC News, Thank you very much. You got it. Thanks, John. Yeah. Really,
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I mean when it reaches this level of publicity and
public interest, it usually the case is quite bizarre. But
this one really is something else, because it's so inexplicable
to take an eighty four year old woman unless you
want something for her, right because she's the mother of
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a famous person, somebody that they assume has lots of money. Yeah,
it could be a targeted kidnapping, but then you'd say, okay,
this is what I want. Maybe they have, but you
got to follow up. You got to prove that the
target of the kidnapping is alive, because they're not going
to send you millions of dollars only to find out
(09:04):
the worst happened. All right, We've got so much to do.
Well die, all right, Karen Bass. It was caught telling
the big lie. And while she's while she's issued a
half hearted denial, there's one thing that she's not saying,
nor is anyone else in the administration or the fire
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department saying. And this would settle the issue. But nobody's talking.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I'll tell you what's the one thing we're not hearing.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Next, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Karen Bass is, as you know, a compulsive, pathological liar,
and she keeps trying to sell stories which are just
impossible to believe. And the latest one is that she
had nothing to do with the edit and the rewrite
of the after action Fire Department report which basically exonerated
(10:08):
the city and the Fire Department of any incompetence or
any stupidity. And I knew instinctively it was her erasing
her responsibility and the responsibility of the people that she appointed,
because we've got so much news coverage and also we
(10:29):
got so much testimony in that civil lawsuit. And if
you remember, there was a series of witnesses in the
civil lawsuit who were getting deposed by Roger Bailey and
other attorneys who are representing thousands of Palisades residents, and
it was painting a pretty clear picture of what happened.
The original fire on January first, that was never put
(10:50):
out completely and firefighters still were dealing with hotspots and smoldering,
and the LA Fire Department left the scene of the
original fire, and that's where the fire re ignited, and
they were chased off by State Park rep employees. They
(11:12):
didn't publicize that they were being chased off, they didn't
push back very much on these employees. They simply left
and no crew was sent up there over the next
few days, despite all the warnings of extreme fire danger
and extreme wind. And it was incredible, colossal, overwhelming incompetence
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and stupidity. And that's the truth. That's what happened. I
don't think any thinking person could come up with another conclusion.
And you even had former LA Fire officials testifying to
that in a Senate hearing that yeah, that's what happened.
Patrick Butler, for example, who was with LA Fire Department
for thirty one years and was at the scene of
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the fire because now he is chief at Redondo Beach,
he wrote, remember the protocols how you deal with disastrous
fires like this, and he could see that nothing was
done that should have been done. So there's no question
that that's what should have been written in the after
action report because we already knew this. We knew this
from news investigations, primarily by the LA Times, and by
(12:19):
what the plaintiff attorneys had been finding out from their
investigation and from testimony, So we knew this. She rewrites
it and pretends she has nothing to do with it
and now is accusing the LA Times of muck raking journalism. Well,
there's an easy way to end this fake dispute, because
(12:45):
news coverage being what it is, they lead with. The
Los Angeles Times says there are people inside the BASS organization,
inside the Bass administration, who are saying she did rewrite
the report or ordered the rewrites. Well, the mayor is
denying such a matter. Well, the mayor says it's buck
(13:06):
raking journalism. It's kind of on the one hand, On
the other hand, there is no other hand. She either
did it or someone else did it. There's no question
it was rewritten. There's no question that there were six
versions of the report. Could you get could you get
that clip of the latest fire Chief, I mean more
(13:29):
than one we've been playing all week. Get that one ready,
because that's that's part of the thing, part of the
answer that settles this. If Karen Bass didn't do the
rewrite or order the rewrite, why doesn't she stand up
in front of a microphone and a camera and tell
us who did? Who did? If it wasn't Karen Bass
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doing the rewrite, if it wasn't Karen Bass ordering the rewrite,
who did it? Just tell us running v in a wava,
the interim fire Chief apparently was told to do to
get the rewrite facilitated. Is that speaking? He won't give it,
(14:13):
he won't comment. Ronnie van a Wavin, tell us who
ordered or facilitated the rework? Simple? And then you have
Heimi Moore here. He's asked this directly by Fox eleven.
It's Matthew Seedorf. Play this clip. Don't have it ready?
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He's the current LA Fire Department chief, and his response is, well,
what are people going to do with that information, which
implies that he knows. Of course he knows, so his
being a way of it, and so does bats just
answer the question? If you tell us who did it,
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then everyone will stand down and then we'll go after
the person who ordered the rewrite. Now, I can't imagine
that anybody would else would have the power to order
or rewrite other than Karen Bass, unless it was Ronnie
vn Aweva. But he wasn't even the fire chief when
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all the bad stuff happened, so why would he want
to cover for other people? He might follow orders, but
who gave the original or it's got to be Karen Bass.
And if it wasn't Karen Bass, then Karen Bass herself,
or Ronnie van Aweva or Haimi Moore or somebody would say, oh,
I know who it is. It's this person, and here's
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why they did it. The only one who had the
power and the end was implicated in the decision making
would be Karen Bass. And accusing the newspaper of muck
raking when they gave you two overwhelming endorsements to become
(16:04):
mayor over Rick Caruso. I mean, she's a shameless liar,
shameless at deflecting and trying to change to change the subject.
You know, when she got some of the news media
to do, they start changing the subject and say, well,
she's denying it. Well she's denying. Well, of course, if
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you get caught like she got caught, you deny it too.
She did it, so she's got no morals, so of
course she's gonna lie and deny it. She lied and
covered up her role. She lied at the beginning. Going
back to January, she claimed that she didn't even know
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that the bad winds were coming and that there was
bad fire danger. Remember that she action was on with
Alex Michaelston said, oh nobody told me. I got more
on that when we come back.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
For round from one until four o'clock. Moistline is eight
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Call in, please call in on Karen Bass's Big Lie,
or you can use the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app.
And I'm just gonna constantly reiterate this point. If Karen
Bess really believes the LA Times is wrong with its
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story that she was the perpetrator either editing or ordering
the LA Fire Department report to be edited. Either she
did it herself or she ordered it to be done.
If that's wrong, tell us who did it. She knows
Ronnie Vanuwavn knows the interim chief, the current chief, himI Moore,
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knows himI Moore. This is what I wanted to play.
This is Heimi Moore. If you haven't heard this yet,
he said this earlier this week to Matthew Seedorf from
Fox eleven. Now listen to this stupid answer. We're closer
to learning who ordered down this report, and you ordered
that to be watered down. So, just like the mayor's
State of the City address, I think we need to
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look forward. We need to look for what's ahead, that's
behind us. Kind of want those answers. Well, I understand that,
but they have to understand what are they going to
do with those answers.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
They want to point fingers, They want to point Blaine,
I've taken ownership.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
He makes it sound like we're all committing some kind
of sin. Right, homeowners who had their homes burned down.
You're wrong to ask who is lying on that fire
department report, because that's what it was. It was a
bunch of lies. They can call it down playing, watering down.
(18:45):
You're out in that lies. So who ordered the what? Hey,
Haimi Mortic, just tell us we can What are you
going to do with the information? What are you going
to do with the information? Like, I'm like, I'm going
to tell his mother or father, right, don't wrap me out,
don't tell on me. Yeah, I'm not taking it to
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the teacher by me really, just since I'm a taxpayer here, Okay,
that fire happened less than three miles from my house,
I have a vested interest. I oh, you know, we
hired and this is extremely minor compared to all the
fire victims, but we actually had to hire some people
to clean all the filth and ash off our entire house.
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I mean, our whole outside of our home was covered
in fire ash and gunk. Yeah, I want to know who.
The reason I want the information is I want to
tell everybody who still may feel a little warm towards
Karen Bass that she is a culprit here. She is
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the bad person. She doesn't get rewarded with another term
as mayor what are you gonna do with it? Then
then they'll know for sure who's responsible for covering up
you know, like Richard Nixon eventually got bounced, right, he know,
sports to resign why because he was covering up his crimes.
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She's covering up her crimes. I think a lot of
this actually should be real crimes that she'd go to
jail for. We're gonna point fingers, Yes, we're gonna point fingers, Yes,
we're gonna point blame. Because the people involved in this
should never work in government again. Karen Bass should never
hold office, and whatever fire officials were responsible should be
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out of the fire department. They should be forced to retire.
They should resign. They ought to give up their stupid
pensions too. Maybe they ought to be charged. Maybe some
of the fire officials ought to be charged criminally. That's
what we want to do with the information. Point fingers,
point blame. That's our information. We paid for this. What
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are you gonna do with it? Like a kid? What
are you gonna do with it? But do whatever I
want with it. People should change their voting patterns. They
should demand everybody's resignation. They should demand that they be fired,
they should demand criminal charges. We're paying for this. We
pay for Heimimore's salary, We pay for Ronnie van a
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wave a salary. We pay for Karen Bass's salary. We
pay for their desks, we pay for their computers, we
pay for their chairs, their pens, their pencils, their uniforms.
We pay for it all. It's all ours, So and
that information is ours. I like, I like how you know? Well,
I was so attracted to public service. I really enjoyed
serving the public, except when the public wants a straight
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answer and it's like, well, what are you gonna do
with it? That is going down to the Hall of Fame. Now.
Michael Schellenberger was a great writer, and he's got a
substack website publicnews dot com. You should subscribe to that.
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Michael Schellenberger put together a list that he's reposted of
all the National Weather Service fire warnings because this was
like one of the original lies that Karen Bass told
that she didn't know the fire and the winds were coming.
So he put together the list. He's got screenshots. National
Weather Service Los Angeles January second, potential for moderate to
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strong sant Ana wins and extreme fire, Extreme fire weather
conditions next Tuesday through Thursday, that would be January seventh
through ninth, along with a graphic from the National Weather
Service showing a massive wildfire that's January second. Okay now
in the Palisades, the January first fire is still smoldering,
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still hot, the rocks, the tree stumps right, there's still
smoke coming out of the ground. Extreme fire weather conditions
January three. National Weather Service, Los Angeles critical fire conditions.
Fire season will continue into the new year. Potential for
damaging north to northeast winds likely to peak next Tuesday
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and Wednesday. Okay, January second, January third, January third, second warning,
fire weather watch in effect for much of Venturing LA counties.
Take action now be prepared at this point. Karen Bass
is here for January second, January third, and now January fourth.
Critical fire conditions, says the National Weather Service. Fire weather
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watches and high wind watches in effect. Strong damaging north
to northeast winds peaking Tuesday and Wednesday. That same day
as this warning was coming out. Mayor Karen Bass flies
to Ghana escaping the winds. January fifth. Cheese landing in
Ghana scattered down trees and power outages likely in addition
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to rapid fire growth, extreme behavior with any fire starts.
This is January fifth, National Weather Service. January sixth, National
Weather Service life threatening, destructive, widespread windstorm, strong winds are coming,
a particularly dangerous situation. In other words, said the National
Weather Service, this is about as bad as it gets
in terms of fire weather. January seventh, the day of
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the fire, an extremely dangerous situation is unfolding. Evacuate from wildfires,
a particularly dangerous sort, a particularly dangerous situation. Today on
January seventh, Karen Bass goes to the cocktail party. Did
everybody forget all that? January second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,
(24:44):
six full days of fire warnings. She got on the
plane to Ghana. She lands in Ghana, She goes to
the cocktail party in Ghana. Then she comes back and
tells Alex Michaelson, oh, I didn't know. She actually said
she didn't know that the the firestorm was coming. Nobody
told her now that I don't even think Noosa would
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try that one. I don't eve think Bill Clinton would
try that one. She is the liar of the twenty
first century. And now she says she had nothing to
do with editing or rewriting the after action report. We'll
have more on this later in the show.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM six.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Forty coming up after two o'clock. The gas prices are
going up. You might have noticed because Valero shut down
the Venetia refinery on January thirty. First. This is Gavin
Newsom's doing. Gavin Newsom's taxes and regulations forced Valero to
(25:51):
shut down its refinery. Now the price of gas is
going up. We're going to talk to Mike Ariza, former
Valero manager and oil gas X and said he's gonna
tell us about the shutdown and what this is going
to do to gas prices. Now, I only have a
couple of minutes. I just want to sneak this in
because I can't stand weaymos. I've made that clear. And
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on the West side of Los Angeles, they're everywhere, especially
again into Santa Monica. Every morning I drive to get
my bagel and my progress is impeded by some stupid
Weaimo car. They're not smart cars. They're stupid cars because
they don't they don't really respond to a drive the
way people do, right, They insist on going often below
(26:34):
the speed limit and there's nobody on the road, right. Yeah,
if it's thirty mile an hour speed limit, you know
normal people do you go thirty five to forty that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They go five miles under the limit often and I
end up passing them all the time, and they they're
stupid cars. And get this, these cars are being guided
remotely by people not even in this country. Listen to
this clip. This is the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science,
(27:07):
and Transportation and a Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey is questioning
weimo's chief safety officer, doctor Mauricio Pana about where are
the people who remotely guide these WEIMO cars. Listen to
this Yes, so.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
No, does WEIMO employ humans located remotely to help its
vehicles navigate difficult driving scenarios.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Center they provide guidance, They do not remotely drive the vehicles.
As you stated, WEIMO asks for guidance in certain situations
and gets an input, But the WEIMO vehicle is always
in charge of the dynamic driving tasks, so that is
just one additional inputs.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
But the human being, the human being helps the vehicle
to navigate those difficult driving scenarios.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Is that correct? Yes?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Okay, So are all of these human operators located in
the United States they all hear, No, we.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Have some in the US and some are abroad.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So how does that break down? What percent are abroad?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Center?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I don't have that number for you. We can get
back to you.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Is it a majority of or abroad?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I just don't have that number.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Well, that's very curious that someone who's running the program
has no idea how that workforce breaks down. Just seems
kind of curious that you don't know that answer. But
are some of these operators located outside the United States?
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Some are located abroad. Yeah, And so for me, that's
fairly shocking. WEIMO has critical safety employees who may need
to intervene in a split second if a WEIMO encounters
an unknown dangerous situation located located in the United States,
but they are outside the United States in what countries?
(28:58):
Are these implay located The Philippines, Jimmy, the Philippines. So
they're in the Philippines, mister Paine. That is completely unacceptable.
Here's why having people overseas influencing American vehicles is a
safety issue. The information the operators received could be out
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of date, it could introduce tremendous cybersecurity vulnerabilities. We don't
know if these people have US driver's licenses. And let's
not forget WAIMO is trying to replace the jobs of
hardworking taxi and ride share drivers. And now you're saying
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that of the human beings, the human jobs that remain
in the system, you're shipping those jobs overseas. It's one
thing when a taxi is replaced by an uber or
a lift. It's another thing when the jobs just go
completely overseas.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There's somebody in the philip Beans guiding that WEIMO. So
I'm stuck beside a WAYMO that's going to you know,
twenty three miles an hour. And there's a guy in
the Philippines who's what knotted off? Is he working the
night shift there? And what would he know about driving
laws in California? Maybe he's never even driven. Maybe they're
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you know, hiring teenagers for two dollars an hour. That's crazy,
that's completely nuts. And so what happened if their communication
system goes down between here and the Philippines. See, they're
stupid cars, they're not smart cars. Now, I saw I
saw today one weymouth stuck behind another weymo. There's one
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weymo that was afraid to make a turn onto a
main road. There's coming out of the side street, and
then there was a second waymo behind them, and the
second WAYMO. If the first WAMO doesn't move, the second
waymo will never move. And if you're the third car
behind the two waymos, forget about it. There's no chance
anybody's gonna move. So then you've got to try to
pass two of them and then go to an intersection. Hey,
(31:03):
because the guys in the Philippines are what on lunch,
you don't even know if they speak English. Hate those things.
All right, we come back. We're gonna talk to Michael Reza,
former Valero manager and oil and gas expert, and he's
(31:24):
gonna tell us that Valero started shutting down January thirty first,
the oil refinery in Benetia. And here we go with
the price increases. The price is already going up because
another huge refinery is being shut down. That's two of
them in the last few months, and that was about
twenty percent of the refining capacity in America. De Ebra
(31:46):
Mark live in the KFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey,
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