January 29, 2026 • 36 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (01/29) - John goes through Senate hearing testimony from Redondo Beach Fire Chief and Harbor Master Patrick Butler regarding the Palisades Fire. He also goes through former LAFD Battalion Chief Rick Crawford's Senate hearing testimony regarding the Palisades Fire. Zohran Mamdani is not going to force homeless people in New York City into shelters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John
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this today. They men unusual hour because in a way,
I'm going to have two co hosts here, not in
person or on the phone, but recorded from yesterday's hearing,
a Senate hearing on the Palisades Fire. We had Rick Scott,
the Senator from Florida. On yesterday he and Ron Johnson,
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Wisconsin Senator, ran this hearing in Washington investigating everything about
the Palisades fire, the lack of PEP preparation, the terrible response,
and then the god awful follow up. For a year,
it has been a complete failure of Los Angeles government,
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complete failure of the Bass administration, complete failure of Gavin
Newsom's administration, state and local government. Zero on a scale
of zero to one hundred. It could not have been worse.
It could not have been worse if you had designed
a plan to destroy a big section of Los Angeles.
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And the hearing is being run by two senators, one
from Florida, one from Wisconsin, because the two senators from California,
Adam Schiff and Alex Beidia, don't care. They're not interested.
So I'm going to play for you excerpts from the
testimony of two men. One of them his name is
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Patrick Butler. Both of these men I have mentioned before
being quoted in the Los Angeles Times. They're investigations. Patrick
Butler is the fire chief and harbor mass of the
Redondo Beach Fire Department, and he served for thirty one
years as assistant chief with the Los Angeles Fire Department.
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He was involved in the ninety two riots, the ninety
four Northridge earthquake, and on and on and on. And
he has a doctorate degree from USC master's degree from
US Naval Postgraduate School. He's a Harvard Fellow. This guy
knows everything there is to know about fighting fires in
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a big city, a tremendous amount of experience, a tremendous
amount of study. So I want to let him do
the talking. And I'm going to play you a series
of excerpts from his testimony. And you listened to him,
because you might be able to dismiss something a politician says,
something that I say, something that a news reporter says. Fine,
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listen to Patrick Butler because he tells the truth about
what happened here in Los Angeles a year ago. And
let's start with cut number one.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
My central finding is unequivocal. The Palisades fire was preventable.
Over my career, I've commanded and operated during some of
the largest and most complex wildfires in Los Angeles and
southern California.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I've served in command.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Operations, aviation, and interagency coordination rules during extreme wind driven
wildland urban interface fires. This assessment is grounded an executive
level command experience across more than fifty wildfire incidents, including
numerous large scale pre deployments, supported by operational records and
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after action reports.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So he knows how it works. He's been there dozens
of times, big fires, disasters, large scale destruction. He's seen
it all. Now let's continue here, Patrick Butler. He talks
about what he observed when he responded to the Palisades.
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When he responded to the Palisades Fire.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
In the early hours of January eighth, twenty twenty five.
I responded under mutual aid to the Palisades Fire. What
I observed was not simply a difficult fire under extreme conditions.
It was a predictable outcome of a breakdown in leadership,
preparedness and command discipline.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Firefighters were forced to.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Improvise without adequate resources, unified command, or consistent safety oversight.
This was not a failure of effort by firefighters, It
was a failure of leadership above them.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So Kristin Crowley, the fire chief, starts with her Karen
Bass missing in action in Africa. There wasn't a plan
laid out in advance, even though we had a week's
warning on the wind and the fire danger, a week's warning.
Christian Crowley totally unprepared. Karen Bash again in Africa, We're
going to go down to cut number three. He's talking
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about the original fire, the Lochman fire on New Year's Day.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The fire that began on January first, known as the
Lockman Fire, was never fully extinguished.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
It became a holdover fire, a well known.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And predictable hazard in the chaparral environments such as the
Pacific Palisades. In my experience, when holdover fires are not
aggressively extinguished and are not continuously monitored, they rekindle.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That is not rare, that is expected.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
When the forecast of life threatening wins arrived on January seventh,
the unmonitored Lochman fire predictably reignited and spread rapidly. What
followed was not unforeseeable. It was the expected result of
leaving a holdover fire unmanaged in a densely populated, high
risk community with limited evacuation routes.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Did you get those keywords there? Unmonitored, unmanaged, never fully extinguished,
Kristin Crowley and Karen Bass never had the original fire
fully put out? Why is that? Let's go to cut
number four now. He was personally involved in planning LA's
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pre deployment strategies.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Los Angeles possesses decades of wildfire experience, established pre deployment
doctrine and area specific operational plans for every major wildland
urban interface corridor, including the Pacific Pali Seads. These plans
were written, trained, exercise, and repeatedly proven effective. I was
directly involved in their development and personally executed them during
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prior wind driven fires in these same communities for more
than a week before. For this fire, the National Weather
Service issued repeated warnings of a life threatening wind event fire.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Weather Intelligence.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Clearly identify the Pacific Palisades and the still smoldering Lockman
Fire within the projected impact area.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
This failure was not a lack of warning.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It was a failure to act. In incidence, I previously
commanded forecasts of this severity triggered immediate escalation, large scale deployment,
extended staffing, and full activation of emergency management systems. Forecasts
were treated as operational decision points, not background information that
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did not occur here.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It was really important here. A failure to act. The
warnings did go back more than a week, back to
December thirty. First, we collected some of the warnings and
we posted them on our social media. Something knew about it.
Karen bash knew about it. Kristan Crowley knew about it.
And as soon as you get warnings like this, immediately
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what he said, you move into large scale deployment. You
immediately escalate the response before it happens. You don't go
to Africa. There should have been pre deployment days in
advance of January seventh. The whole fire department should have
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been on alert to take care of the Palisades more
so than any other place, because they had the Lockman
fire still smoldering, and they knew it was still smoldering,
and they intentionally decided not to put it out. You
have to understand this. This was not climate change. This
was an arsonist that started a fire and the Los
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Angeles Fire Department failed for a week to fully extinguish it.
Patrick Butler was personally involved in writing up the policies
for situations like this again now he works as fire
chief for Redondo Beach. Thirty one years in LA. He
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knew what was supposed to happen, literally wrote the book
on it. Kristin Crowley, Karen Bass didn't read a page.
We come back more from Patrick Butler, and I'm also
going to introduce you to Rick Crawford, who also was
a major figure in the Los Angeles Fire Department for
many years, and he testified before this committee. This is
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the truth. These two men have lived quite a life
here in LA fighting fires. Between the two of them,
they know everything, and what they're telling you it was
a total failure on the part of management. Leadership, political leadership,
Karen Bass, the city council, everybody, everybody failed and that's
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why twelve people died. And that's why thousands of homes
are gone. It's their fault. They're to blame. This is
about as signing blame. This is playing the blame game
for good. We'll tell you more we come back.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
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Speaker 1 (10:11):
All right, we're going to continue with Patrick Butler. He
is the fire chief and harbor master at Redondo Beach
Fire Department and worked for thirty one years, making it
up to assistant chief the LA Fire Department. He actually
wrote the book on how to respond to Major Fires
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and Disasters, and he covered the LA Fire part of
the mutual Laid Agreement. He showed up on January eighth,
so he saw firsthand what was happening, and he knew
firsthand what was supposed to happen. And he testified in
Washington yesterday at a Senate hearing that was put on
by two senators, one from Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, and one
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from Florida, Rick Scott, who we had on the show yesterday.
Curiously not put on by Adam Schiff and Alex Padia,
and the purpose is to fight out the truth of
what happened. And Patrick Butler told the truth, and we're
going to continue playing clips from him, and then we're
going to get to Rick Crawford, who also has been
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with the Los Angeles Fire Department for a long time
before moving on to a job in Washington, d C.
So let's now go to the next segment, and he says,
he talks here about the decision window to make the
most important decisions to prevent a fire. Cut number five.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Once a fire becomes fully wind driven, outcomes are largely
determined by what leaders did or failed to do before
the wind arrived. That decision window existed, and it was missed.
These failures extend beyond the fire department during critical preparedness period,
the mayor was out of the country despite knowledge of
the forecasted life threatening conditions.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Responsibly for a continuity of.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Leadership in the citywide coordination rests with the mayor, and
in this case, that responsibility was not met. After the fire,
internal after action findings were altered despite documented objections from
the independent review team.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You got that, I mean, we knew this, but you
still hear apologists saying, well, well, nobody could have stopped
that fire. What he says, it's the decision window is
before the fire. It's the decisions you make then that
keeps twelve people from dying and six thousand homes from burning.
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And he said that window was missed and says clearly
it's because Bear Bass was out of the country and shed.
He also said clearly that she knew about the fire,
and of course she did. She lied. I saw a
lie to Alex Michaelson claiming that she didn't know there
were seven days of warnings. Nonsense, she knew, she didn't care,
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she went anyway. These people don't care. Kristin Crowley made
a big stink of being underfunded, but she did have
a whole She was scared to spend money. She had
a whole second shift of firefighters that she sent home.
She also didn't create a plan, so she was incompetent.
She was cowed by the budget. Karen Bass and the
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city council had defunded her department the way Eric Carcetti
had defunded her apartment. But that's no excuse for not
having a plan, no excuse for not executing the plan
that Patrick Butler had written up many years ago. There's
something about taking action and getting permission later. If they
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had saved the Palisades, or at least a good part
of the Palisades, I think she would have been forgiven.
You go for forgiveness, not permission. Everybody knows that bass
claiming that you know she was in constant contact the
whole time. She was not. She was drinking at a
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party with the President of Ghana. She had no idea
what was going on. Kristin Crowley was here and set
absolutely no when she heard the Lockman fire. Did she
know the Lochman fire was still smoldering, still burning? Did
anybody tell her that battalion chief that told everybody to
roll up the hoses? Was it entirely because of the
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pressure from the Parks and Recreation Department under Gavin Newsom's control.
Apparently that the state Park Reps actually kicked off the
LA Fire Department. Why did they listen? Why didn't they
make a big public stink about it? As as Patrick
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Butler said in earlier testimony, of course the Lockman fire
was going to reignite with those wins. Of course it
would those kind of fires if not put out properly
put out, they do blow up again. That was no surprise.
This was all preventable. We're gonna play you now cut
six where he talks about it being a preventable event.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Based on my experience, the fire was not inevitable disaster.
It was a preventable event, shaped by decisions maybe before
the wind arrived. When leaders act early onknown risks, disasters
are prevented. When leaders delay, defer, or minimize risks, disasters
are manufactured. The Palisades fire was not caused by weather alone.
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It was caused by leadership decisions.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There you go, which we pointed out right away, way
back in January. I can't tell you how many times
I have read people commenting online journalists politicians are climate change.
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Once in a century of that, nothing anybody could have
done could have stopped the You're all full of it.
You're lying, and they know they're lying because they're all
covered up. For Karen Bass, God forbid, God forbid, you
end a political career of an incompetent fool. We thought
a trip to Africa was much more important than protecting
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the city. Just by staying in her seat and having meetings. Yeah, her,
a deputy mayor in charge of the fire department, on
house arrest because he called it a fake bomb threat.
What kind of a nut is that? The head of
the city Council, Marquise Harris Dawson, whose responsibility was to
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take over with Bass and Brian Williams gone, he didn't
show up until a day and a half later. Everything
I can do, terrible people, All right, Let's go to
Rick Crawford. Now, Rick Crawford spent many years. He made
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it all the way up to battalion chief. He was
a fire captain for a long time with the Los
Angeles Fire Department, and now he is involved in crisis
management at the US Capital, development and implementation of crisis
management and evacuation plans for the national special security events
surrounding the Capitol. He's been there and seen it all.
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And you know what, let's take a break. When we
come back, we'll play you his testimony at the Senate
hearing in Washington for US Senators Rick Johnson and Ron
Johnson and Rick Scott. Right, Rick Scott and Ron Johnson.
We've got Rick Scott, Ron Johnson, and Rick Crawford the
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fire chief and getting all their names all mushed together.
All right, that's next time.
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Moist davy six. All right. First half hour he spent
playing Patrick Butler's testimony at the Senate hearing in Washington
on the Palisades fire. And again you may not be
familiar with him. I mentioned him several times because he
was quoted in La Times stories. He's the fire chief
now of for Dondo Beach, but he served thirty one
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years as rising up to assistant chief with the Los
Angeles Fire Department, and he wrote the book and had
to respond to hugh huge wildfires and other disasters. He
and others created all the protocols, and he also went
to the Palisades fire as part of a mutual aid,
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a mutual aid agreement that were Dondo Beach had with LA.
So he saw firsthand that it was chaos, and he
blames everything on fire management, on fire officials, not the
firefighters themselves. Kristin Crowley and Karen Bass, who completely abdicated
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her position go ahead vote for re election. There was
another guy, another man who testified today. I'm going to
play his clips, and he spent many years in Los
Angeles fire department management circles. He was a battalion chief,
he was a fire captain for a long time. He
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is now working at the US Capitol. His name is
Rick cross Efford, and he works in crisis management at
the US Capital, developing and implementing crisis management and evacuation
plans for national security special events. For example, President Carter
state funeral, the presidential inauguration, the presidential address to a
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joint Session of Congress. He handles the crisis management and
evacuation plans for that. So these guys are at absolutely
the top of the business, very well educated, very well experienced.
You heard Patrick Butler now we're going to go to
Rick Crawford. Here's Rick Crawford's testimony why the fire was
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not unforseeable.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I appear before you today to discuss the Palastates fire
not simply as a wildfire, but as a cast study
in how known risk, predictable conditions, and fragmented leadership and
governance can converge into catastrophic impact. I can say this
without hesitation. This fire was not unforeseeable. So the California
exists in a permanent state of wildfire risk with aim
fuel loads, when corridors and seasonal weather patterns are well documented.
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What failed was not the tactics, strategy, courage, or professionalism
of firefighters and first responders. What failed was not the
willingness of agencies to act. What failed was the leadership
and the system's ability to convert non risk into decisive,
coordinated action early enough to change outcomes from decades in
commanding coordination roles. I can state unequivocally wildfires are not
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disasters at ignition. They become disasters when one is are
recognized but failed to trigger executive action, when leadership is fragmented,
and when preparedness exist on paper rather than an execution.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
That is Rick Crawford there and by the way, nothing
Crawford says, or Patrick Butler nothing what they say showed
up in any of these after action investigative reports, you know,
the ones that were rewritten a half a dozen times
with a public relations agency, one that was rewritten under
with Karen Bass's input, that was all covered up, whether
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it was Kristin Crowley, Ronnie Viaduweva and al Heimi Moore goes.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I didn't know anything about it. I wasn't there. Let's
play cut number nine and no cut number eight were
up to and he says, the Palistaates fire exposed three vulnerabilities.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
The policas fire exposed three systematic vulnerabilities. First, risk recognition
did not translate into risk ownership while the threat.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Was widely understood.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Fiscal considerations repeatedly overrolled responsibility for mitigation, readiness and timely escalation.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Predictive fire modeling.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Tools were available, but when unused, and inter agency coordination
was not fully integrated into pre incident decision making, allowing
known risks to persist without decisive action. Second, governance did
not move at the speed of conditions. Wildfires escalated minutes,
and governance systems often moving hours or days. That gap
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between emerging threat and unified, empowered decision making can determine
whether an incident remains manageable or becomes catastrophic. Third, our
systems remain overwhelmingly reactive. We continue to rely on extraordinary
effort by responders to overcome leadership governance gaps, rather than
designing systems that reduce the likelihood of catastrophe before deployment
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ever begins. The This pattern is not unique to the
Palisades fire. It reflects a broader national challenge and crisis management.
I use a simple framework recognize, respond, resolve. Recognition requires
early action to warning signs and emerging threats. Respond with
decisive and adaptable leadership, and resolve with the mission completion mindset,
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with accountability, institutional learning, and structural reform, not simply rebuilding
what existed before.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I wonder if Karen Bass is going to try to
smear these two guys, because she and Newsom operate with
one tactic. They crack up the smear machine to try
to describe to people. I want to see her go
after Patrick Butler and Rick Crawford. Uh, We're gonna play
another clip here from Rick Crawford. He has advocated for
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years for something called all risk government at all risk
governance doctrine.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I've advocated for what is known as an all risk
governance doctrine designed to be integrated into a broader national framework,
a ten point plan. All risk governance doctrine establishes clear authority,
predefined escalation triggers, and unified executive accountability across all hazards
before an incident occurs. It moves decision making upstream, ensures,
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warning signals, trigger action, and alliance fire law, technology, utilities,
emergency management, and mutual aid under a single governance framework.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
How could so.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Many LA Fire officials make do so many things wrong?
How could they have botched this so badly in so
many different ways? Patrick Butler and Rick Crawford spent decades,
in decades working for the LA Fire Department. They knew
this stuff. Tremendous experience. Like I told you, Butler wrote
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the book that the LA Fire Department is still guided
by for these situations. Does the current fire leadership are
they not able to read? They had a week to rehearse,
a week to game this out, seven days worth of
catastrophic fire and wind warnings, and then the morning of
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January seventh, I, whoa, there's a fire where. Oh it's
the old fire. All they had to do was send
a crew to the old fire. It's all they had
to do. Or cruise, however many was needed. They should
have put the damn thing out on January second. How
could it be so wrong? And how much does Newsom,
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State Park and wreck employees have to do with this?
You notice nobody's talking about it. Everything is whitewashed in
the investigative reports. There's some state report never even came out.
You realize you really have bad, bad, dangerous people running things,
really bad and dangerous. They killed twelve people, They destroyed
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almost seven thousand buildings, six thousand homes. Do you realize
how much damage they have brought to people's lives And
they're all still sitting in their jobs. And I'm not
even talking about Genie Kinnonias and that stupid freaking reservoir
that was empty. You got one more here. This is
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Rick Crawford talks about the purpose of his testimony.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
My testimony is not about assigning blame after the facts.
It is about asking the right questions and implementing aggressive,
actionable solutions so the next fire does not follow the
same script. Disaster like the Palisas are simply not environmental events.
They are stress tests of leadership, governance, and institutional readiness.
The American people do not expect perfection. However, they do
expect foresight, they expect coordination, and they expect accountability.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
That leads to say, for communities, I.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Would love to see the calendar the Karen Bass had
starting December thirty first to January seventh. Well, we know,
you know, half that calendar would take place in Africa.
And the calendar for Kristin Crowley, and the calendar for
all the other leaders at the time. What did they
do all day for that week? Were they still drunk
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and hungover from New Year's What did they do with
their days? What did they think when they turned on
the television and they saw all those, uh in all
those all those apocalyptic forecasts about wind and fire. What
was their reaction? Did any of go It's like, hey,
you know, we got we got that fire up in
the Palisades a couple of days ago. That thing's gonna
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whip up again. Huh? Did anybody call Parks and rec Department?
Did anybody, call anybody, anybody in the state bureauquacy, any
council people, assembly people, state senators, anybody at all, anybody
in the media, by the way, pay any attention to this. No,
of course they didn't. And yet every time Newsom opened
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up his his his, his whole osy babbling about fimate
change and it was an arsonist and it was the
ordinary Santa and the winds we always get, and it
was massive incompetence. He didn't send any fire crews to
the Palisades either, he didn't pre deploy anybody. He lied
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about it. Karen Bass lied and said she didn't even
know the wind was coming, and knew some lied and
claimed that he had pre deployed state fire trucks there
to the site. Just lives blatant, stupid lies. And Karen
Bass wants to remain his mayor. Gavin Newsom wants to
be president. And there's still there's hundreds of thousands and
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millions of people that will vote for those two. What
a bizarre world. All right, we will continue.
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ICE agents Trump announced this months ago, we're going to
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be on the ground in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl,
and usually they're part of the overall law enforcement effort,
but the administration has made it sound like ICE might
conduct immigration enforcement, and so political leaders in Santa Clara,
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which is way way left wing. My favorite story. I
mentioned this from time to time because I can't get
out of my head. During the COVID lockdown, they made
the two NBC announcers Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth do
Sunday Night football in an empty stadium. They have to
do the broadcast with masks on. That's how nuts they
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are in Santa Clara. So obviously they're not happy about
ICE coming. Alex Stone's gonna explain all this coming up
right after two o'clock zoron Mom. Donnie is the Communist
mayor of New York City, and like Karen Bass, the
communist here. They think mental patients and homeless people drug
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addicts should have the freedom to roam free, that it's
not fair to put restrictions on the choices they make
in life. They shouldn't have to live under the rules
imposed by people who go to work and live in
regular homes. Unfair. So the other day Zorron mom Donnie
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reversed a policy and said that he is not going
to take down encampments anymore. He's not going to force
homeless people into shelters. Eric Adams, the Old Bear, was
insistent that everybody they found on the street he dragged
off to a shelter, whether they liked it or not.
So Mom Donnie just took over as mare, and his
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way was to say, no, no, no, We're not going
to force anybody indoors. Homeless people can live in their encampments.
We're not going to infringe on their rights. Uh. Well,
then they had this incredible record breaking Arctic could snap
and ten New Yorkers were found dead outdoors, six of
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them homeless, and Mom Donnie had to admit to it.
He actually killed sick people by refusing to have them
picked up and put into a warm shelter. Mamdani has
has killed six people, basically murdered six people with his policy. Yo,
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out here, out here, I believe, I believe bass lasts
six people to die every week in La So it's
six a week. Mamdani killed six people in a night.
But of course they're the ones who are compassionate. They're
the ones who were loving and understanding and respectful of
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their rights. And they're all frozen dead, stiff, hard as
a carp And now the other politicians are saying, well,
you got to force them into shelters. Mam Donnie said, well,
that's a last resort. Well it should have. The last
resort should have been when it was zero degrees outside.
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Former city Controller Scott Stringer said, I don't care what
your ideology is. When it's seven degrees, you get everyone
in a safe place. So they have frozen bodies now,
I guess stacked up At the Corner's office in New
York City, the executive director of the Coalition for the Homeless,
said the death poll was unprecedented. I've lived in New
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York all my life. I can't remember a time and
so many people have died from a winter storm in
such a short period of time. It's absolutely tragic. How
about that, mom? Donnie is on the job just like
less than a month and already one of his stupid,
woke progressive policies has ended up in tragedy, don't they all?
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Former fire commissioner in New York, Tom van Essen said
he would have told the firefighters and emergency workers pick
up the homeless people, take them to a shelter, whether
they like it or not. He goes, we have many
mentally ill people who are incarcerated at Rych, but other
mentally ill people have to freeze to death. Umdanni is
(34:07):
a crazy person, like thatass is a crazy person. Bumdani
is a crazy person. These are communists, Democratic Socialists of America.
It's all nonsense. Drug addicts, mental patients have the right
to be wandering outdoors, snorting their meth, injecting their fentanyl,
taking dumps in the street, paying all over the place,
(34:30):
menacing people, running around with swords and knives, stabbing people
on subways. They all have the right to do it.
We've got no business telling them how to live. There
you go. They want to freeze to death, just let
them freeze to death and die. That is the loving
compassion of this crowd. Unbelievable. That's what people vote for now,
(35:00):
to get rid of homeless people, isn't it. If Mom
Donnie wants to lower the homeless numbers, he had to
be clearing out the shelters and send them all out
into the street because they're going to have I think
another week's worth of icy weather in New York City.
And actually nobody ever talks about this in the media,
but the number of you know Best claims that the
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homeless number was lowered in the last year. And I
don't believe her numbers because she lies all the time.
But even if that's true, do you know it almost
exactly matches the number of homeless dead, which is one
way to lower your numbers. Just let him dive in overdose. Here,
we let him dive in overdose New York. They freeze
him to death. There's several ways to take care of
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the problem. We come back. Alex Stone from ABC News.
Ice is going to be a part of the security
in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl and we'll see
what the reaction is from the local politicians. What network's
doing the game. I believe it's Fox this year. I
(36:02):
don't even know it's NBC's NBC.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, because Mike Urico's doing it, is he gonna have
to wear masks now? I mean they still worried about OVID,
No debor Mark Live the CAFI twenty for our newsroom. Hey,
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this today. They men unusual hour because in a way,
I'm going to have two co hosts here, not in
person or on the phone, but recorded from yesterday's hearing,
a Senate hearing on the Palisades Fire. We had Rick Scott,
the Senator from Florida. On yesterday he and Ron Johnson,
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Wisconsin Senator, ran this hearing in Washington investigating everything about
the Palisades fire, the lack of PEP preparation, the terrible response,
and then the god awful follow up. For a year,
it has been a complete failure of Los Angeles government,
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complete failure of the Bass administration, complete failure of Gavin
Newsom's administration, state and local government. Zero on a scale
of zero to one hundred. It could not have been worse.
It could not have been worse if you had designed
a plan to destroy a big section of Los Angeles.
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And the hearing is being run by two senators, one
from Florida, one from Wisconsin, because the two senators from California,
Adam Schiff and Alex Beidia, don't care. They're not interested.
So I'm going to play for you excerpts from the
testimony of two men. One of them his name is
(01:47):
Patrick Butler. Both of these men I have mentioned before
being quoted in the Los Angeles Times. They're investigations. Patrick
Butler is the fire chief and harbor mass of the
Redondo Beach Fire Department, and he served for thirty one
years as assistant chief with the Los Angeles Fire Department.
(02:09):
He was involved in the ninety two riots, the ninety
four Northridge earthquake, and on and on and on. And
he has a doctorate degree from USC master's degree from
US Naval Postgraduate School. He's a Harvard Fellow. This guy
knows everything there is to know about fighting fires in
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a big city, a tremendous amount of experience, a tremendous
amount of study. So I want to let him do
the talking. And I'm going to play you a series
of excerpts from his testimony. And you listened to him,
because you might be able to dismiss something a politician says,
something that I say, something that a news reporter says. Fine,
(02:58):
listen to Patrick Butler because he tells the truth about
what happened here in Los Angeles a year ago. And
let's start with cut number one.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
My central finding is unequivocal. The Palisades fire was preventable.
Over my career, I've commanded and operated during some of
the largest and most complex wildfires in Los Angeles and
southern California.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I've served in command.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Operations, aviation, and interagency coordination rules during extreme wind driven
wildland urban interface fires. This assessment is grounded an executive
level command experience across more than fifty wildfire incidents, including
numerous large scale pre deployments, supported by operational records and
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after action reports.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So he knows how it works. He's been there dozens
of times, big fires, disasters, large scale destruction. He's seen
it all. Now let's continue here, Patrick Butler. He talks
about what he observed when he responded to the Palisades.
(04:10):
When he responded to the Palisades Fire.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
In the early hours of January eighth, twenty twenty five.
I responded under mutual aid to the Palisades Fire. What
I observed was not simply a difficult fire under extreme conditions.
It was a predictable outcome of a breakdown in leadership,
preparedness and command discipline.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Firefighters were forced to.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Improvise without adequate resources, unified command, or consistent safety oversight.
This was not a failure of effort by firefighters, It
was a failure of leadership above them.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So Kristin Crowley, the fire chief, starts with her Karen
Bass missing in action in Africa. There wasn't a plan
laid out in advance, even though we had a week's
warning on the wind and the fire danger, a week's warning.
Christian Crowley totally unprepared. Karen Bash again in Africa, We're
going to go down to cut number three. He's talking
(05:09):
about the original fire, the Lochman fire on New Year's Day.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The fire that began on January first, known as the
Lockman Fire, was never fully extinguished.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
It became a holdover fire, a well known.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And predictable hazard in the chaparral environments such as the
Pacific Palisades. In my experience, when holdover fires are not
aggressively extinguished and are not continuously monitored, they rekindle.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That is not rare, that is expected.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
When the forecast of life threatening wins arrived on January seventh,
the unmonitored Lochman fire predictably reignited and spread rapidly. What
followed was not unforeseeable. It was the expected result of
leaving a holdover fire unmanaged in a densely populated, high
risk community with limited evacuation routes.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Did you get those keywords there? Unmonitored, unmanaged, never fully extinguished,
Kristin Crowley and Karen Bass never had the original fire
fully put out? Why is that? Let's go to cut
number four now. He was personally involved in planning LA's
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pre deployment strategies.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Los Angeles possesses decades of wildfire experience, established pre deployment
doctrine and area specific operational plans for every major wildland
urban interface corridor, including the Pacific Pali Seads. These plans
were written, trained, exercise, and repeatedly proven effective. I was
directly involved in their development and personally executed them during
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prior wind driven fires in these same communities for more
than a week before. For this fire, the National Weather
Service issued repeated warnings of a life threatening wind event fire.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Weather Intelligence.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Clearly identify the Pacific Palisades and the still smoldering Lockman
Fire within the projected impact area.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
This failure was not a lack of warning.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It was a failure to act. In incidence, I previously
commanded forecasts of this severity triggered immediate escalation, large scale deployment,
extended staffing, and full activation of emergency management systems. Forecasts
were treated as operational decision points, not background information that
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did not occur here.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It was really important here. A failure to act. The
warnings did go back more than a week, back to
December thirty. First, we collected some of the warnings and
we posted them on our social media. Something knew about it.
Karen bash knew about it. Kristan Crowley knew about it.
And as soon as you get warnings like this, immediately
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what he said, you move into large scale deployment. You
immediately escalate the response before it happens. You don't go
to Africa. There should have been pre deployment days in
advance of January seventh. The whole fire department should have
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been on alert to take care of the Palisades more
so than any other place, because they had the Lockman
fire still smoldering, and they knew it was still smoldering,
and they intentionally decided not to put it out. You
have to understand this. This was not climate change. This
was an arsonist that started a fire and the Los
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Angeles Fire Department failed for a week to fully extinguish it.
Patrick Butler was personally involved in writing up the policies
for situations like this again now he works as fire
chief for Redondo Beach. Thirty one years in LA. He
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knew what was supposed to happen, literally wrote the book
on it. Kristin Crowley, Karen Bass didn't read a page.
We come back more from Patrick Butler, and I'm also
going to introduce you to Rick Crawford, who also was
a major figure in the Los Angeles Fire Department for
many years, and he testified before this committee. This is
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the truth. These two men have lived quite a life
here in LA fighting fires. Between the two of them,
they know everything, and what they're telling you it was
a total failure on the part of management. Leadership, political leadership,
Karen Bass, the city council, everybody, everybody failed and that's
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why twelve people died. And that's why thousands of homes
are gone. It's their fault. They're to blame. This is
about as signing blame. This is playing the blame game
for good. We'll tell you more we come back.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
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Speaker 1 (10:11):
All right, we're going to continue with Patrick Butler. He
is the fire chief and harbor master at Redondo Beach
Fire Department and worked for thirty one years, making it
up to assistant chief the LA Fire Department. He actually
wrote the book on how to respond to Major Fires
(10:31):
and Disasters, and he covered the LA Fire part of
the mutual Laid Agreement. He showed up on January eighth,
so he saw firsthand what was happening, and he knew
firsthand what was supposed to happen. And he testified in
Washington yesterday at a Senate hearing that was put on
by two senators, one from Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, and one
(10:54):
from Florida, Rick Scott, who we had on the show yesterday.
Curiously not put on by Adam Schiff and Alex Padia,
and the purpose is to fight out the truth of
what happened. And Patrick Butler told the truth, and we're
going to continue playing clips from him, and then we're
going to get to Rick Crawford, who also has been
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with the Los Angeles Fire Department for a long time
before moving on to a job in Washington, d C.
So let's now go to the next segment, and he says,
he talks here about the decision window to make the
most important decisions to prevent a fire. Cut number five.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Once a fire becomes fully wind driven, outcomes are largely
determined by what leaders did or failed to do before
the wind arrived. That decision window existed, and it was missed.
These failures extend beyond the fire department during critical preparedness period,
the mayor was out of the country despite knowledge of
the forecasted life threatening conditions.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Responsibly for a continuity of.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Leadership in the citywide coordination rests with the mayor, and
in this case, that responsibility was not met. After the fire,
internal after action findings were altered despite documented objections from
the independent review team.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You got that, I mean, we knew this, but you
still hear apologists saying, well, well, nobody could have stopped
that fire. What he says, it's the decision window is
before the fire. It's the decisions you make then that
keeps twelve people from dying and six thousand homes from burning.
(12:39):
And he said that window was missed and says clearly
it's because Bear Bass was out of the country and shed.
He also said clearly that she knew about the fire,
and of course she did. She lied. I saw a
lie to Alex Michaelson claiming that she didn't know there
were seven days of warnings. Nonsense, she knew, she didn't care,
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she went anyway. These people don't care. Kristin Crowley made
a big stink of being underfunded, but she did have
a whole She was scared to spend money. She had
a whole second shift of firefighters that she sent home.
She also didn't create a plan, so she was incompetent.
She was cowed by the budget. Karen Bass and the
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city council had defunded her department the way Eric Carcetti
had defunded her apartment. But that's no excuse for not
having a plan, no excuse for not executing the plan
that Patrick Butler had written up many years ago. There's
something about taking action and getting permission later. If they
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had saved the Palisades, or at least a good part
of the Palisades, I think she would have been forgiven.
You go for forgiveness, not permission. Everybody knows that bass
claiming that you know she was in constant contact the
whole time. She was not. She was drinking at a
(14:06):
party with the President of Ghana. She had no idea
what was going on. Kristin Crowley was here and set
absolutely no when she heard the Lockman fire. Did she
know the Lochman fire was still smoldering, still burning? Did
anybody tell her that battalion chief that told everybody to
roll up the hoses? Was it entirely because of the
(14:29):
pressure from the Parks and Recreation Department under Gavin Newsom's control.
Apparently that the state Park Reps actually kicked off the
LA Fire Department. Why did they listen? Why didn't they
make a big public stink about it? As as Patrick
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Butler said in earlier testimony, of course the Lockman fire
was going to reignite with those wins. Of course it
would those kind of fires if not put out properly
put out, they do blow up again. That was no surprise.
This was all preventable. We're gonna play you now cut
six where he talks about it being a preventable event.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Based on my experience, the fire was not inevitable disaster.
It was a preventable event, shaped by decisions maybe before
the wind arrived. When leaders act early onknown risks, disasters
are prevented. When leaders delay, defer, or minimize risks, disasters
are manufactured. The Palisades fire was not caused by weather alone.
(15:37):
It was caused by leadership decisions.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There you go, which we pointed out right away, way
back in January. I can't tell you how many times
I have read people commenting online journalists politicians are climate change.
(16:01):
Once in a century of that, nothing anybody could have
done could have stopped the You're all full of it.
You're lying, and they know they're lying because they're all
covered up. For Karen Bass, God forbid, God forbid, you
end a political career of an incompetent fool. We thought
a trip to Africa was much more important than protecting
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the city. Just by staying in her seat and having meetings. Yeah, her,
a deputy mayor in charge of the fire department, on
house arrest because he called it a fake bomb threat.
What kind of a nut is that? The head of
the city Council, Marquise Harris Dawson, whose responsibility was to
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take over with Bass and Brian Williams gone, he didn't
show up until a day and a half later. Everything
I can do, terrible people, All right, Let's go to
Rick Crawford. Now, Rick Crawford spent many years. He made
(17:09):
it all the way up to battalion chief. He was
a fire captain for a long time with the Los
Angeles Fire Department, and now he is involved in crisis
management at the US Capital, development and implementation of crisis
management and evacuation plans for the national special security events
surrounding the Capitol. He's been there and seen it all.
(17:33):
And you know what, let's take a break. When we
come back, we'll play you his testimony at the Senate
hearing in Washington for US Senators Rick Johnson and Ron
Johnson and Rick Scott. Right, Rick Scott and Ron Johnson.
We've got Rick Scott, Ron Johnson, and Rick Crawford the
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fire chief and getting all their names all mushed together.
All right, that's next time.
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Moist davy six. All right. First half hour he spent
playing Patrick Butler's testimony at the Senate hearing in Washington
on the Palisades fire. And again you may not be
familiar with him. I mentioned him several times because he
was quoted in La Times stories. He's the fire chief
now of for Dondo Beach, but he served thirty one
(18:52):
years as rising up to assistant chief with the Los
Angeles Fire Department, and he wrote the book and had
to respond to hugh huge wildfires and other disasters. He
and others created all the protocols, and he also went
to the Palisades fire as part of a mutual aid,
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a mutual aid agreement that were Dondo Beach had with LA.
So he saw firsthand that it was chaos, and he
blames everything on fire management, on fire officials, not the
firefighters themselves. Kristin Crowley and Karen Bass, who completely abdicated
(19:36):
her position go ahead vote for re election. There was
another guy, another man who testified today. I'm going to
play his clips, and he spent many years in Los
Angeles fire department management circles. He was a battalion chief,
he was a fire captain for a long time. He
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is now working at the US Capitol. His name is
Rick cross Efford, and he works in crisis management at
the US Capital, developing and implementing crisis management and evacuation
plans for national security special events. For example, President Carter
state funeral, the presidential inauguration, the presidential address to a
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joint Session of Congress. He handles the crisis management and
evacuation plans for that. So these guys are at absolutely
the top of the business, very well educated, very well experienced.
You heard Patrick Butler now we're going to go to
Rick Crawford. Here's Rick Crawford's testimony why the fire was
(20:39):
not unforseeable.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I appear before you today to discuss the Palastates fire
not simply as a wildfire, but as a cast study
in how known risk, predictable conditions, and fragmented leadership and
governance can converge into catastrophic impact. I can say this
without hesitation. This fire was not unforeseeable. So the California
exists in a permanent state of wildfire risk with aim
fuel loads, when corridors and seasonal weather patterns are well documented.
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What failed was not the tactics, strategy, courage, or professionalism
of firefighters and first responders. What failed was not the
willingness of agencies to act. What failed was the leadership
and the system's ability to convert non risk into decisive,
coordinated action early enough to change outcomes from decades in
commanding coordination roles. I can state unequivocally wildfires are not
(21:26):
disasters at ignition. They become disasters when one is are
recognized but failed to trigger executive action, when leadership is fragmented,
and when preparedness exist on paper rather than an execution.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
That is Rick Crawford there and by the way, nothing
Crawford says, or Patrick Butler nothing what they say showed
up in any of these after action investigative reports, you know,
the ones that were rewritten a half a dozen times
with a public relations agency, one that was rewritten under
with Karen Bass's input, that was all covered up, whether
(22:04):
it was Kristin Crowley, Ronnie Viaduweva and al Heimi Moore goes.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I didn't know anything about it. I wasn't there. Let's
play cut number nine and no cut number eight were
up to and he says, the Palistaates fire exposed three vulnerabilities.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
The policas fire exposed three systematic vulnerabilities. First, risk recognition
did not translate into risk ownership while the threat.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Was widely understood.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Fiscal considerations repeatedly overrolled responsibility for mitigation, readiness and timely escalation.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Predictive fire modeling.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Tools were available, but when unused, and inter agency coordination
was not fully integrated into pre incident decision making, allowing
known risks to persist without decisive action. Second, governance did
not move at the speed of conditions. Wildfires escalated minutes,
and governance systems often moving hours or days. That gap
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between emerging threat and unified, empowered decision making can determine
whether an incident remains manageable or becomes catastrophic. Third, our
systems remain overwhelmingly reactive. We continue to rely on extraordinary
effort by responders to overcome leadership governance gaps, rather than
designing systems that reduce the likelihood of catastrophe before deployment
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ever begins. The This pattern is not unique to the
Palisades fire. It reflects a broader national challenge and crisis management.
I use a simple framework recognize, respond, resolve. Recognition requires
early action to warning signs and emerging threats. Respond with
decisive and adaptable leadership, and resolve with the mission completion mindset,
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with accountability, institutional learning, and structural reform, not simply rebuilding
what existed before.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I wonder if Karen Bass is going to try to
smear these two guys, because she and Newsom operate with
one tactic. They crack up the smear machine to try
to describe to people. I want to see her go
after Patrick Butler and Rick Crawford. Uh, We're gonna play
another clip here from Rick Crawford. He has advocated for
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years for something called all risk government at all risk
governance doctrine.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I've advocated for what is known as an all risk
governance doctrine designed to be integrated into a broader national framework,
a ten point plan. All risk governance doctrine establishes clear authority,
predefined escalation triggers, and unified executive accountability across all hazards
before an incident occurs. It moves decision making upstream, ensures,
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warning signals, trigger action, and alliance fire law, technology, utilities,
emergency management, and mutual aid under a single governance framework.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
How could so.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Many LA Fire officials make do so many things wrong?
How could they have botched this so badly in so
many different ways? Patrick Butler and Rick Crawford spent decades,
in decades working for the LA Fire Department. They knew
this stuff. Tremendous experience. Like I told you, Butler wrote
(25:08):
the book that the LA Fire Department is still guided
by for these situations. Does the current fire leadership are
they not able to read? They had a week to rehearse,
a week to game this out, seven days worth of
catastrophic fire and wind warnings, and then the morning of
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January seventh, I, whoa, there's a fire where. Oh it's
the old fire. All they had to do was send
a crew to the old fire. It's all they had
to do. Or cruise, however many was needed. They should
have put the damn thing out on January second. How
could it be so wrong? And how much does Newsom,
(25:53):
State Park and wreck employees have to do with this?
You notice nobody's talking about it. Everything is whitewashed in
the investigative reports. There's some state report never even came out.
You realize you really have bad, bad, dangerous people running things,
really bad and dangerous. They killed twelve people, They destroyed
(26:17):
almost seven thousand buildings, six thousand homes. Do you realize
how much damage they have brought to people's lives And
they're all still sitting in their jobs. And I'm not
even talking about Genie Kinnonias and that stupid freaking reservoir
that was empty. You got one more here. This is
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Rick Crawford talks about the purpose of his testimony.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
My testimony is not about assigning blame after the facts.
It is about asking the right questions and implementing aggressive,
actionable solutions so the next fire does not follow the
same script. Disaster like the Palisas are simply not environmental events.
They are stress tests of leadership, governance, and institutional readiness.
The American people do not expect perfection. However, they do
expect foresight, they expect coordination, and they expect accountability.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
That leads to say, for communities, I.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Would love to see the calendar the Karen Bass had
starting December thirty first to January seventh. Well, we know,
you know, half that calendar would take place in Africa.
And the calendar for Kristin Crowley, and the calendar for
all the other leaders at the time. What did they
do all day for that week? Were they still drunk
(27:29):
and hungover from New Year's What did they do with
their days? What did they think when they turned on
the television and they saw all those, uh in all
those all those apocalyptic forecasts about wind and fire. What
was their reaction? Did any of go It's like, hey,
you know, we got we got that fire up in
the Palisades a couple of days ago. That thing's gonna
(27:53):
whip up again. Huh? Did anybody call Parks and rec Department?
Did anybody, call anybody, anybody in the state bureauquacy, any
council people, assembly people, state senators, anybody at all, anybody
in the media, by the way, pay any attention to this. No,
of course they didn't. And yet every time Newsom opened
(28:15):
up his his his, his whole osy babbling about fimate
change and it was an arsonist and it was the
ordinary Santa and the winds we always get, and it
was massive incompetence. He didn't send any fire crews to
the Palisades either, he didn't pre deploy anybody. He lied
(28:36):
about it. Karen Bass lied and said she didn't even
know the wind was coming, and knew some lied and
claimed that he had pre deployed state fire trucks there
to the site. Just lives blatant, stupid lies. And Karen
Bass wants to remain his mayor. Gavin Newsom wants to
be president. And there's still there's hundreds of thousands and
(29:01):
millions of people that will vote for those two. What
a bizarre world. All right, we will continue.
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ICE agents Trump announced this months ago, we're going to
(29:35):
be on the ground in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl,
and usually they're part of the overall law enforcement effort,
but the administration has made it sound like ICE might
conduct immigration enforcement, and so political leaders in Santa Clara,
(29:56):
which is way way left wing. My favorite story. I
mentioned this from time to time because I can't get
out of my head. During the COVID lockdown, they made
the two NBC announcers Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth do
Sunday Night football in an empty stadium. They have to
do the broadcast with masks on. That's how nuts they
(30:17):
are in Santa Clara. So obviously they're not happy about
ICE coming. Alex Stone's gonna explain all this coming up
right after two o'clock zoron Mom. Donnie is the Communist
mayor of New York City, and like Karen Bass, the
communist here. They think mental patients and homeless people drug
(30:44):
addicts should have the freedom to roam free, that it's
not fair to put restrictions on the choices they make
in life. They shouldn't have to live under the rules
imposed by people who go to work and live in
regular homes. Unfair. So the other day Zorron mom Donnie
(31:07):
reversed a policy and said that he is not going
to take down encampments anymore. He's not going to force
homeless people into shelters. Eric Adams, the Old Bear, was
insistent that everybody they found on the street he dragged
off to a shelter, whether they liked it or not.
So Mom Donnie just took over as mare, and his
(31:29):
way was to say, no, no, no, We're not going
to force anybody indoors. Homeless people can live in their encampments.
We're not going to infringe on their rights. Uh. Well,
then they had this incredible record breaking Arctic could snap
and ten New Yorkers were found dead outdoors, six of
(31:53):
them homeless, and Mom Donnie had to admit to it.
He actually killed sick people by refusing to have them
picked up and put into a warm shelter. Mamdani has
has killed six people, basically murdered six people with his policy. Yo,
(32:16):
out here, out here, I believe, I believe bass lasts
six people to die every week in La So it's
six a week. Mamdani killed six people in a night.
But of course they're the ones who are compassionate. They're
the ones who were loving and understanding and respectful of
(32:38):
their rights. And they're all frozen dead, stiff, hard as
a carp And now the other politicians are saying, well,
you got to force them into shelters. Mam Donnie said, well,
that's a last resort. Well it should have. The last
resort should have been when it was zero degrees outside.
(33:00):
Former city Controller Scott Stringer said, I don't care what
your ideology is. When it's seven degrees, you get everyone
in a safe place. So they have frozen bodies now,
I guess stacked up At the Corner's office in New
York City, the executive director of the Coalition for the Homeless,
said the death poll was unprecedented. I've lived in New
(33:21):
York all my life. I can't remember a time and
so many people have died from a winter storm in
such a short period of time. It's absolutely tragic. How
about that, mom? Donnie is on the job just like
less than a month and already one of his stupid,
woke progressive policies has ended up in tragedy, don't they all?
(33:46):
Former fire commissioner in New York, Tom van Essen said
he would have told the firefighters and emergency workers pick
up the homeless people, take them to a shelter, whether
they like it or not. He goes, we have many
mentally ill people who are incarcerated at Rych, but other
mentally ill people have to freeze to death. Umdanni is
(34:07):
a crazy person, like thatass is a crazy person. Bumdani
is a crazy person. These are communists, Democratic Socialists of America.
It's all nonsense. Drug addicts, mental patients have the right
to be wandering outdoors, snorting their meth, injecting their fentanyl,
taking dumps in the street, paying all over the place,
(34:30):
menacing people, running around with swords and knives, stabbing people
on subways. They all have the right to do it.
We've got no business telling them how to live. There
you go. They want to freeze to death, just let
them freeze to death and die. That is the loving
compassion of this crowd. Unbelievable. That's what people vote for now,
(35:00):
to get rid of homeless people, isn't it. If Mom
Donnie wants to lower the homeless numbers, he had to
be clearing out the shelters and send them all out
into the street because they're going to have I think
another week's worth of icy weather in New York City.
And actually nobody ever talks about this in the media,
but the number of you know Best claims that the
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homeless number was lowered in the last year. And I
don't believe her numbers because she lies all the time.
But even if that's true, do you know it almost
exactly matches the number of homeless dead, which is one
way to lower your numbers. Just let him dive in overdose. Here,
we let him dive in overdose New York. They freeze
him to death. There's several ways to take care of
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the problem. We come back. Alex Stone from ABC News.
Ice is going to be a part of the security
in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl and we'll see
what the reaction is from the local politicians. What network's
doing the game. I believe it's Fox this year. I
(36:02):
don't even know it's NBC's NBC.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, because Mike Urico's doing it, is he gonna have
to wear masks now? I mean they still worried about OVID,
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