February 4, 2026 • 32 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 3 (02/04) - Head of the Small Business Administration Kelly Loeffler comes on the show to talk about the Trump Administration being in LA to sort out the rebuilding mess after the Palisades and Eaton Fires. More on the LA Times report that Mayor Karen Bass was the person who wanted the Palisades Fire after-action report altered.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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app as well. The Trump Administration is in town to
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try to straighten out the rebuilding disaster in the Palisades
and Altadena after the fire, and today Lee Zelden, who's
head of the EPA and is in charge of this
contingent to investigate what's going on in California. Kelly Loffler
is with him as well. Kelly is head of the
Small Business Administration. They wrote a piece today in the
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California Post saying, you know, they came here right after
the fire and now coming back a year later, there
are still thousands of residents and business owners unable to
rebuild because of the local we're emitting backlocks, among other things.
We have Kelly Loffler on the line, the head of
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the Small Business Administration for Donald Trump. Kelly, welcome to
the show. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Is she there all right? Please stand by. They're furiously
pressing buttons.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Kelly, Yeah, Hi, John Kearnie.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, I can hear you now. Thank you for coming
and taking some time I know, of course.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, well tell me, I guess today was your first
full day to witness the destruction that's standing there a
year later, what are your thoughts, what's your reaction to
what you've experienced?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, you're right. I'm driving through the Palisades right now.
This is actually my third visit out to Los Angeles.
And there's one reason, and one reason only that Lee
and I came back here is because the failure, the
abject failure of state and local leaders to rebuild this.
And President Trump is a builder and he knows what
it takes to get the job done. That's why he
signed an executive order to help residents bypass onerous delays
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and permitting, among other things. And that's what we're out
here doing is delivering relief, not just from EPA but
from the SBA, which I run. We've given three point
two billion dollars to residence to rebuild, but they're not
able to rebuild because of the local response has just
been inadequate and it's frankly, it's been a failure.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What is the biggest problem is it the permitting.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, certainly permitting is one of the problems, but what
we're also seeing is their challenges with the insurance companies,
whether it's the Fair Plan or the private insurers. And frankly,
residents have no advocates within the state and local governments
to help them fight the insurance battles that they have
on their hands right now. And so the Trump administration
is out here advocating for California residents so that they
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have the right to rebuild. They're sitting on three point
two billion of federal assistants minimally from SBA, more from FEMA,
but the local failures have prevented anything from getting done,
whether it's with insurance companies or permits. And we're at
a place right now where residents are seeing mortgage deferments expiring.
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They're gonna have to start paying their mortgages again, they're
going to have to start paying taxes, and they're going
to run out of rental insurance from their insurance companies.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So this is dire I had a woman on yesterday
from Altadena and she's become kind of a community activist
because she has to Her name's Heavenly Hughes. You may
run into her along the way, and she was describing
what's going on in Altadena, and she said that people's
rental assistance that's over after a year, mortgage deferral is
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over after a year. Now they have to make balloon payments.
They can't get insurance payments, or the insurance payments are
really cheap. Some people didn't have insurance at all, and
if they do get an insurance payment, the insurance company
then drops them. They cancel the policy after making the payment.
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And there's many people in outa Dina, she says, are
getting foreclosed and they're gonna be evicted, and you know
they're going to end up bankrupt and they're gonna be
out right homeless. And I could go on and on,
but she talked for a half hour yesterday. It was
absolutely heartbreaking, and I promised her I would tell you,
and I'm sure you know a lot of this already,
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but people are really suffering. I can also say that
I live very close to the Palisades. I got a
lot of friends there. My wife and I walk there
all the time and we just kind of interview people
randomly on the hiking paths. And you can't believe what's
going on. It's really bad and there's nobody helping them.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, you're absolutely right. We were standing on a lot.
So again my third visit and these lots all look
the same six months apart, now thirteen months in. Nothing's
getting done, no one's advocating for them. And so these
are the stories that we need to elevate and make
sure that we're dealing with insurance, that we're dealing with
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rebuilding permits and getting that relief in terms of financial
support for communities because it is bankrupting families. Seventy five
percent of them are living in temporary housing and most
are in financial difficulty. And this isn't a state where
the taxes are the highest. They pay a lot in taxes.
They don't have the services they need or the attention.
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And so we're making sure that this administration backfills for
the lack of state and local leadership.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
How can you advocate for people in an insurance quagmire?
How can you physically help them with that? Are there
federal employees who are going to now be on the
phone with these insurance companies? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, first of all, it's important that we're learning on
the ground exactly what's happening, so that whether it's with
the state's fair plan that we can address it, or
with private sector insurance companies that aren't making the payouts
that policyholders were due and they're getting dropped like unbeknownst
to them. So this is all information that we can
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take back and formulate a policy on. At the same time,
you have we really have three disasters unfolding here. We
have the disasters of the fire, you have the disaster
of the state and local response, and then you have
the insurance and permitting disasters. The help that these residents
thought would be there and it wasn't there. So this
is our first day on the ground. We'll consolidate our
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assessment and take it back and see what the federal
government can do. And certainly another disaster is how Gavin
Newsom has handled this entire situation where he's shooting insults
off to President Trump ten times a day and then
he's telling President Trump that he needs to send the
state thirty billion dollars and it crowds out the local
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requests for help on the ground. It's been completely an
effective way of asking for help, and the president wants
to help, but he wants to constructive dialogue because look,
he's been here since before day one. The President knew
before he got torn into office he was going to
come out and help, and he did that very first
week with the first lady. And so look, he just
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needs to know what's going on because local leaders have
had their head in the sand about it. And that's
why we're here to raise this issue and make sure
people know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
How practically, how can you unplog this permitting problem? I mean,
it seems like the city bureaucracy, in the La County bureaucracy,
it stuck.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It seems immovable, that's right.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I mean, we had sixteen thousand structures destroyed, about twelve thousand,
four hundred residents got SBA loans to rebuild. Ten homes
have been rebuilt, and so there's a permitting backlog. Residents
signed an executive order that enabled the SBA to waive
the permitting backlog from standing in line. It gave them
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the express lane and essentially, if they self certify if
they've had permits in it at the city or county
for more than sixty days, they can go to the
SBA dot gov website and complete two very brief forms
with their builder, submit those self certified that they meet
state and local rags, and then go ahead and start
putting shovels in dirt, because that's what needs to be happening.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, that's what I was looking for. So if they're
stuck in permit hell for sixty days, you give them
two quick forms and they'll self certify that what they're
doing is good enough for the rebuild to start and
just completely bypass this congested system.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's right. I mean the check and balance on that
will be the inspection before they get the certificate of occupancy.
But they can start. They can self certify, and of
course the builder is on the for complying with regulations,
so you know the builders will have to be mindful
of that, and then you know they can start right away.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Now you are running the Small Business Administration, is there
anything particular that business owners listening who got burned out
or smoked out in the fire, anything that they should
know to rebuild their business.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah. So most of the loans the SBA gave out
during this disaster were to residence, about ninety percent to residence,
about ten percent to small businesses. That said, we have
now twice extended the timeline to be able to use
your SBA loan. You don't even have to draw it
down until June.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We have never in the history of this agency, the
seventy two year history, had a disaster that took this
long to get the rebuildings started. So you know, we're
trying to give people the time and space they should
reach out to us if they are running into delays,
needless delays that we're not aware of. Because our disaster
team can be on the ground, we have one hundred
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people on the ground, we can perhaps help intermediate some
of that. We need to know at this point because
state and local leaders can't be trusted to resolve the issues.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are you getting cooperation from Karen Bass and from the
county supervisors?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well, look, we had constructive conversations this morning with both
and we appreciate that we need communication. They were appreciative
and receptive to the visit, which I think is a positive.
But we can't have performative half measures, and that seems
to be what's been happening, and the residents know it.
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They need to see real, meaningful action, and that's why
the federal government's involved. That's what the President Trump, That's
what President Trump has asked us to do. And this
is just getting started. This is the first day of
really getting into resolving this for all and once and
for all. And we can't have this happen again. So
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we have to ensure that the incentives for recovery are
aligned with preventing things getting upstream of it, like making
sure what reservoirs have water, making sure that Green New
Deal policies aren't creating fires in and of themselves.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know that reservoir is empty again.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well I didn't, but I will take that information back.
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's empty again, and we got Santa Ana winds blowing again.
These were exactly the kind of conditions on the day
of the fire. We had strong winds coming out of
the northeast through the mountains and we end up with
a hot day and the reservoir is still empty. If
something bad happened, you would see today another version of
what happened last January. They've changed nothing, they've fixed nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, that's certainly tragic, and that's why we're elevating this
issue right now because it could lead to yet another disaster.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, listen, I hope we can have you on again
and keep following up on this because it's pretty tough
for people involved in this situation, and I know you
know that, so I hope we can have you on again.
And we're gonna have Leezelden on tomorrow. So thank you
for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I appreciate you covering John. It's so important in
my heart and prayers go out to the families, but
also my work and our commitment. We are committed to
getting shovels in dirt and getting people's lives and livelihoods
rebuilt here, all.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Right, Kelly Loffler, the head of the Small Business Administration,
thank you, Thank you, John.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, and when we.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Come back meantime back in crazy Land, I'm going to
read you the report from the La Times that Karen Bass,
according to their sources, did did heavily edit the after
action investigation report and covered up the truth. And now
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she has a response to that La Time story. So
we'll get into all that next.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
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Speaker 2 (13:02):
All right, little little short on time in this segment,
because we went really long with the Kelly Loffler so
I will go through the LA Times report on that
the big lie that Karen Bass told, and in a
normal world, this would end her political career. This afternoon,
she'd be done. And I'll tell you about the big lie.
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It's an extensive story and it's about how she lied.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
She really did.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Order the watering down or may have watered down the
after action report herself to cover up all the all
the incompetence of herself and the Los Angeles Fire Department,
both in preparation for the fire and the winds and
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also the response and everything that that followed.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I wanted the reason we're running late.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I had Kelly Loffler on and she's with the Small
Business Administration for the Trump administration. And Leez Elden is
in LA two and he's with EPA and he's going
to be helping to coordinate the federal involvement to try
to get the rebuilding going here because it's clearly hit
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a dead end. It's a wall, and you can't make
people care. That's one thing I've learned in life. If
they don't care, they're not going to get up in
the morning and do what you need them to do,
or do the right thing, and Karen Bass and the
city bureaucrats, because they never suffer consequences, don't care and
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they know it doesn't matter. There's going to be no impact.
That's what they believe. So they have never streamlined the
permit process. They have made it complicated, difficult, and extremely slow.
And Leez Elden pointed out that a thousand permits that
residents have submitted were kicked back to them. Why probably nonsense,
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probus certainly.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Kelly Loffler explained that what the Trump administration is doing
with that executive order is that you can self certify,
You get your contractor, and if sixty day goes by,
sixty days go by and you don't have a permit approved,
then you could self certify, fill out some forms. There
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has to be an inspector eventually signing off on the
build before you can live in that new house. But
it's basically saying, all right, the hell with you, You're
not gonna You're not gonna do the right thing because
you don't care. Well, everyone's gonna have to build without
the cooperation of the city, and it seems like this
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Trump order will allow you to do that. And the
same thing with small businesses. As Kelly Lossler pointed out,
there was three billion dollars that the Trump administration gave
to the residents of the fires, and I don't know
what was done with it. I don't know if it's
still sitting in account. But there's very little rebuilding going on. Obviously,
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all these stories are real. I have talked with enough
people connected to both towns, and it really is that bad.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's not an exaggeration.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And you saw a happy, smiley, crazy person yesterday's running
for reelection. She just pretends that there's nothing wrong. She
gives a couple of lines of lip service, and then
we're resilient. Oh, by the way, the World Cup's coming
in town, you hear. Oh, and that's going to be
the super Bowl and then the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, And that's that's what she cares about. And then
she gets really agitated every time a criminal illegal alien
is arrested. Boy, I tell you there's a legal alien,
rapist or murderer on the lowise to Oh. Karen Bass
is out there, full energy outrage, shaking her fists, squealing
and screaming. But you stupid people with your stupid homes,
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paying your taxes, not interested. It's you know, it's it's
it's not a political division here, it's not two opposing opinions.
It's she doesn't care. You need a house. You're in
great distress, you have been for a year. Horrific thing happened.
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Her fault, fire officials, their fault. They're trying to cover
up the responsibility and lie about the cover up. And
I'll read you the LA Times report coming up, and
we'll also read you the Karen past denial.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
How about that.
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for those of you who are just joining us. The
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big story of the day is this blockbuster report in
the Los Angeles Times by Paul Pringle and a lean
Check Midian, and the headline says Bass directed the watering
down of the Palisades Fire after action reports. That's what
she did. She constantly said she had nothing to do
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with the six revisions of that report, which turned it
into oatmeal, and you couldn't tell what was done or
not done, what mistakes were made, why everything burned down.
And that's because Karen Bass had it rewritten, ordered it rewritten,
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and her lackeys obediently, obediently did her fitting. Here's the story.
For nearly two months, Mayor Karen Bass has repeatedly denied
that she was involved in altering an after action report
on the Palisades fire, which downplayed failures by the city
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and the La Fire Department in combating the catastrophic blaze.
But two sources with knowledge of Bass's office said after
receiving an early draft, the mayor told the then interim
fire chief, Ronnie Vanueva, that the report could expose the
city to legal liabilities for those failures, So Bass wanted
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key findings about the fire department's actions removed or softened
before the report was made public, according to the sources,
and that is what happened. I want to point out
myself here that whatever the findings, everybody wants the truth,
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period and that She's not trying to prevent legal liability.
The liability is coming. The civil lawsuits will reveal all eventually.
What she didn't want is bad headlines during her election campaign.
That's the reason. Now back to the La Times. The
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changes to the original report came to light through Times
investigation in December. The sources told The Times that two
people close to Bass informed them of the mayor's behind
the scenes role in watering down the report. One source
spoke to both of those people, the other to one
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of them. The sources requested anonymity to speak frankly about
the mayor's private conversations with Vianueva and others. The Times
is not naming the people who are close to Bass
because that could have the effect of identifying the sources.
One Basque confidante told one of the sources that the
mayor quote the mayor didn't tell the truth when she
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said she had nothing to do with changing the report.
The source said. The confidante advised Bass that altering the
report quote was a bad idea because it would hurt
her politically. According to the source, The two confidants said
that Bass held onto the original draft until the changes
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were made. The source added that both confidants said they
are prepared to testify under oath to verify their accounts
if the matter ends up in illegal proceeding. I imagine
they've already gotten a phone call. Both sources said they
did not know if Ving a Waiver or anyone else
in the Fire Department or in the Mayor's office made
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line by line edits at Bassi's specific instructions, or if
they imposed the changes after receiving a general direction from her.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Here's a quote.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
All the changes the Times reported on were the ones
Karen wanted, the second source said, referring primarily to the
Times determination that the report was altered to deflect attention
from the fire department's failure to pre deploy cruise to
the Palisades before the fire. Bass did not respond this
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week to a comment for the article. Well, she has
since responded, and we'll get to that. The mayor has
previously rejected several requests by The Times to be interviewed
about the report. In response to written questions, a spokesperson
for the bass office said in an email in December,
the report was written and edited by the Fire Department.
We did not redline review every page. Or review every
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draft of the report. The spokesperson, Clara Carter, said the
Mayor's office asked only that the Fire department fact check
any findings regarding the effect of the city finances and
the high wind forecasts. Bast told The Times last month
in a brief interview, she did not work with the
Fire Department on the changes, nor did the agency consult her.
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The only thing that I told them to do was
talk to Matt Zaebo, one of the bureaucrats, about the
budget and the funding, and that was it. That's a
technical report. I'm not a firefighter. Vian Aueva, the interim
fire chief, not commenting. He's made no public statements about
the report. Debor do you have her response, handy or
rebuttal Handy Janethea Hudley Hayes said Van Aweva told her
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in mid August that a draft of the report was
sent to the Mayor's office for refinements, and she didn't
know what they were, but after reviewing an early draft
and the final document, she thought the material findings were
not authored were not altered. Now the author the original writer,
Battalion Chief Kenneth Cook, declined to entorse the final version
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because the changes altered his findings and made the report,
he said, highly unprofessional and inconsistent with our established standards. Now, Bass,
after repeatedly saying she had nothing to do with it
or repeatedly refusing to answer questions, today has come out
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and in a statement is it even from her?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Or is it right her office?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Sorry?
Speaker 6 (24:23):
I was something you're talking to me?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, I read it. Could you read it? Yes? So.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Mayor Bass's office is criticizing the report, and the office
says that, contrary to the report in the La Times,
she and her staff made no changes to the drafts
and she only asked the LA Fire Department to make
sure that an early draft was accurate on issues like
weather and budget. In her office says, this report is
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muck raking journalism at its lowest form.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
All right, Uh, that is a pretty weak denial to
call it muck raking journalism. The muck is the truth.
She got caught. Her own staff has turned her in.
Her own staff is the original source of the story.
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She watered it down. Everybody suspected that. I had no
doubt that it was her. She's not trying to protect
the city's liability because the city's screwed on this. I
don't know of anybody now who doesn't think that the
city botched this up tragically, overwhelmingly. And now she's been
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quartered and all she can do is accuse the Times
of muck raking. I just looked back at the two glowing,
over the top endorsements that The Times gave Bass back
in twenty twenty two, both in the primary election and
uh the November race against Rick Caruso. Uh, maybe tomorrow
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I'll read the two endorsements.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I know Patrick soon Young has since disbanded the editorial board,
and hopefully all the idiots who write and influence the
readers are unemployed now and will never be allowed to
write publicly again, because you can't believe the slot they
wrote about how wonderful Karen Bass is and what a
what a what a bad choice Rick Caruso would be.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But this is this is.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
The cult that's been running the media and running the
city in the county now for a long time. And
what you end up with, You end up with the
palis As burned to the ground, and Altadena has burned
to the ground, and after a year, hardly anything's been rebuilt.
And now the Trump administrations in town to try to
fix things. I'd be interested to see what kind of
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TV coverage there is of Bass being caught lying by
her own staff.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
All right, more coming up.
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at John Cobelt's show. All right, so we're we are
going to stay on this. This story in the La
Times that Karen Bass, according to two sources who were
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connected to two people in Bass's inner circle, that Bass
did order the fire department report water down. She is
consistently denied that, and it looks as if she's lying,
and now now something has to be done.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Now. Normally people would resign when they're caught.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Committing committing these kinds of acts, or they'd be forced out.
You'd have every politician coming out and saying, Okay, that's it,
enough is enough. You'd have all the television stations, in
the newspapers everybody say stop, that's it. You went to Ghana.
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You've completely botched the rebuild. You only half funded the
fire department. You hired or retain morons, Denise Kenonias at
the DWP with the empty reservoir, the the the idiot
Kristen Crowley who didn't even assign firefighters. They didn't predploy anybody.
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They didn't they didn't have anybody put out the original fire.
I mean, any number of things could have been done,
and this never ever happens.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It's it's heartbreaking, it's so infuriating. And she goes on
skipping along, dancing along, smiling.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Because she feels like there's no consequences, because there hasn't
been consequences. What was the last time it was a
consequence for a politician in California?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
What was the last time?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Great? Davis? What do you gotta recall?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Was that the last consequence of any note? She can't,
she can't stay as mayor. Somebody's got to do something here,
somebody has I can't.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
But the thing is, it's all what party rule. Nobody
would dare. They're all chicken.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
They're all like, uh, I mean Moore, the LA Fire
Department chief chief number three, when he was pressed by
a reporter this week, he said about the fire report, well,
what would people do with that information anyway, They're just
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gonna point fingers, They're gonna point blame. It's like, yeah,
so that the people responsible get fired, whoever was involved
in all these decisions not to pre deploy firefighters that morning,
not to.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Have the second shift stay on.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And I know Kristin Crowley already quit, but she ought
to be where she ought to be forced to testify
in public by some Sacramento committee. Bess her sin goes
to Ghana a whole week's worth of wind warnings and
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fire warnings, and then she lies and claims, oh, I
didn't know. Nobody told me the things. You're blaming Kristin
Crowley for not telling her. And she deleted all her
texts from January. Remember she deleted them all. And now
so that her reelection goes more smoothly, she rewrites the
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report and then lies about rewriting.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's it's all cover up, it's all lied. She should
be gone. This can't go on. We can't have this,
We can't have this.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And I think you gotta tell you live in La
you gotta tell your city council person and call up
everybody at the damned television stations.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
This has gotta be done.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
We had too many people die, we had thousands are homeless.
Now there's all kinds of suffering. Everything's bollock stuff everything,
everything is so messed up. You have no idea how
bad it is for these people in Alta Dana in
the Palace that you have no idea the insurance, the permits,
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just the vast wasteland of two thriving towns here in
southern California, destroyed through stupidity and negligence. It's it's it's
such a crime. Hopefully the Trump people can make some
serious progress on this, but that's should be gone. This
is the big lie. And I hope these people testify
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under oath, and I hope we learn about their testimony
real soon. And Michael Krozer has the news Conways next
live in the CAFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey, you've
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
We're on from one until four, and every hour we
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the two o'clock hour podcast will be on the iHeart
app as well. The Trump Administration is in town to
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try to straighten out the rebuilding disaster in the Palisades
and Altadena after the fire, and today Lee Zelden, who's
head of the EPA and is in charge of this
contingent to investigate what's going on in California. Kelly Loffler
is with him as well. Kelly is head of the
Small Business Administration. They wrote a piece today in the
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California Post saying, you know, they came here right after
the fire and now coming back a year later, there
are still thousands of residents and business owners unable to
rebuild because of the local we're emitting backlocks, among other things.
We have Kelly Loffler on the line, the head of
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the Small Business Administration for Donald Trump. Kelly, welcome to
the show. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Is she there all right? Please stand by. They're furiously
pressing buttons.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Kelly, Yeah, Hi, John Kearnie.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, I can hear you now. Thank you for coming
and taking some time I know, of course.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, well tell me, I guess today was your first
full day to witness the destruction that's standing there a
year later, what are your thoughts, what's your reaction to
what you've experienced?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, you're right. I'm driving through the Palisades right now.
This is actually my third visit out to Los Angeles.
And there's one reason, and one reason only that Lee
and I came back here is because the failure, the
abject failure of state and local leaders to rebuild this.
And President Trump is a builder and he knows what
it takes to get the job done. That's why he
signed an executive order to help residents bypass onerous delays
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and permitting, among other things. And that's what we're out
here doing is delivering relief, not just from EPA but
from the SBA, which I run. We've given three point
two billion dollars to residence to rebuild, but they're not
able to rebuild because of the local response has just
been inadequate and it's frankly, it's been a failure.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What is the biggest problem is it the permitting.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, certainly permitting is one of the problems, but what
we're also seeing is their challenges with the insurance companies,
whether it's the Fair Plan or the private insurers. And frankly,
residents have no advocates within the state and local governments
to help them fight the insurance battles that they have
on their hands right now. And so the Trump administration
is out here advocating for California residents so that they
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have the right to rebuild. They're sitting on three point
two billion of federal assistants minimally from SBA, more from FEMA,
but the local failures have prevented anything from getting done,
whether it's with insurance companies or permits. And we're at
a place right now where residents are seeing mortgage deferments expiring.
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They're gonna have to start paying their mortgages again, they're
going to have to start paying taxes, and they're going
to run out of rental insurance from their insurance companies.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So this is dire I had a woman on yesterday
from Altadena and she's become kind of a community activist
because she has to Her name's Heavenly Hughes. You may
run into her along the way, and she was describing
what's going on in Altadena, and she said that people's
rental assistance that's over after a year, mortgage deferral is
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over after a year. Now they have to make balloon payments.
They can't get insurance payments, or the insurance payments are
really cheap. Some people didn't have insurance at all, and
if they do get an insurance payment, the insurance company
then drops them. They cancel the policy after making the payment.
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And there's many people in outa Dina, she says, are
getting foreclosed and they're gonna be evicted, and you know
they're going to end up bankrupt and they're gonna be
out right homeless. And I could go on and on,
but she talked for a half hour yesterday. It was
absolutely heartbreaking, and I promised her I would tell you,
and I'm sure you know a lot of this already,
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but people are really suffering. I can also say that
I live very close to the Palisades. I got a
lot of friends there. My wife and I walk there
all the time and we just kind of interview people
randomly on the hiking paths. And you can't believe what's
going on. It's really bad and there's nobody helping them.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, you're absolutely right. We were standing on a lot.
So again my third visit and these lots all look
the same six months apart, now thirteen months in. Nothing's
getting done, no one's advocating for them. And so these
are the stories that we need to elevate and make
sure that we're dealing with insurance, that we're dealing with
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rebuilding permits and getting that relief in terms of financial
support for communities because it is bankrupting families. Seventy five
percent of them are living in temporary housing and most
are in financial difficulty. And this isn't a state where
the taxes are the highest. They pay a lot in taxes.
They don't have the services they need or the attention.
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And so we're making sure that this administration backfills for
the lack of state and local leadership.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
How can you advocate for people in an insurance quagmire?
How can you physically help them with that? Are there
federal employees who are going to now be on the
phone with these insurance companies? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, first of all, it's important that we're learning on
the ground exactly what's happening, so that whether it's with
the state's fair plan that we can address it, or
with private sector insurance companies that aren't making the payouts
that policyholders were due and they're getting dropped like unbeknownst
to them. So this is all information that we can
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take back and formulate a policy on. At the same time,
you have we really have three disasters unfolding here. We
have the disasters of the fire, you have the disaster
of the state and local response, and then you have
the insurance and permitting disasters. The help that these residents
thought would be there and it wasn't there. So this
is our first day on the ground. We'll consolidate our
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assessment and take it back and see what the federal
government can do. And certainly another disaster is how Gavin
Newsom has handled this entire situation where he's shooting insults
off to President Trump ten times a day and then
he's telling President Trump that he needs to send the
state thirty billion dollars and it crowds out the local
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requests for help on the ground. It's been completely an
effective way of asking for help, and the president wants
to help, but he wants to constructive dialogue because look,
he's been here since before day one. The President knew
before he got torn into office he was going to
come out and help, and he did that very first
week with the first lady. And so look, he just
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needs to know what's going on because local leaders have
had their head in the sand about it. And that's
why we're here to raise this issue and make sure
people know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
How practically, how can you unplog this permitting problem? I mean,
it seems like the city bureaucracy, in the La County bureaucracy,
it stuck.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It seems immovable, that's right.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I mean, we had sixteen thousand structures destroyed, about twelve thousand,
four hundred residents got SBA loans to rebuild. Ten homes
have been rebuilt, and so there's a permitting backlog. Residents
signed an executive order that enabled the SBA to waive
the permitting backlog from standing in line. It gave them
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the express lane and essentially, if they self certify if
they've had permits in it at the city or county
for more than sixty days, they can go to the
SBA dot gov website and complete two very brief forms
with their builder, submit those self certified that they meet
state and local rags, and then go ahead and start
putting shovels in dirt, because that's what needs to be happening.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, that's what I was looking for. So if they're
stuck in permit hell for sixty days, you give them
two quick forms and they'll self certify that what they're
doing is good enough for the rebuild to start and
just completely bypass this congested system.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's right. I mean the check and balance on that
will be the inspection before they get the certificate of occupancy.
But they can start. They can self certify, and of
course the builder is on the for complying with regulations,
so you know the builders will have to be mindful
of that, and then you know they can start right away.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Now you are running the Small Business Administration, is there
anything particular that business owners listening who got burned out
or smoked out in the fire, anything that they should
know to rebuild their business.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah. So most of the loans the SBA gave out
during this disaster were to residence, about ninety percent to residence,
about ten percent to small businesses. That said, we have
now twice extended the timeline to be able to use
your SBA loan. You don't even have to draw it
down until June.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We have never in the history of this agency, the
seventy two year history, had a disaster that took this
long to get the rebuildings started. So you know, we're
trying to give people the time and space they should
reach out to us if they are running into delays,
needless delays that we're not aware of. Because our disaster
team can be on the ground, we have one hundred
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people on the ground, we can perhaps help intermediate some
of that. We need to know at this point because
state and local leaders can't be trusted to resolve the issues.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are you getting cooperation from Karen Bass and from the
county supervisors?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well, look, we had constructive conversations this morning with both
and we appreciate that we need communication. They were appreciative
and receptive to the visit, which I think is a positive.
But we can't have performative half measures, and that seems
to be what's been happening, and the residents know it.
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They need to see real, meaningful action, and that's why
the federal government's involved. That's what the President Trump, That's
what President Trump has asked us to do. And this
is just getting started. This is the first day of
really getting into resolving this for all and once and
for all. And we can't have this happen again. So
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we have to ensure that the incentives for recovery are
aligned with preventing things getting upstream of it, like making
sure what reservoirs have water, making sure that Green New
Deal policies aren't creating fires in and of themselves.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know that reservoir is empty again.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well I didn't, but I will take that information back.
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's empty again, and we got Santa Ana winds blowing again.
These were exactly the kind of conditions on the day
of the fire. We had strong winds coming out of
the northeast through the mountains and we end up with
a hot day and the reservoir is still empty. If
something bad happened, you would see today another version of
what happened last January. They've changed nothing, they've fixed nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, that's certainly tragic, and that's why we're elevating this
issue right now because it could lead to yet another disaster.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, listen, I hope we can have you on again
and keep following up on this because it's pretty tough
for people involved in this situation, and I know you
know that, so I hope we can have you on again.
And we're gonna have Leezelden on tomorrow. So thank you
for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I appreciate you covering John. It's so important in
my heart and prayers go out to the families, but
also my work and our commitment. We are committed to
getting shovels in dirt and getting people's lives and livelihoods
rebuilt here, all.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Right, Kelly Loffler, the head of the Small Business Administration,
thank you, Thank you, John.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, and when we.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Come back meantime back in crazy Land, I'm going to
read you the report from the La Times that Karen Bass,
according to their sources, did did heavily edit the after
action investigation report and covered up the truth. And now
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she has a response to that La Time story. So
we'll get into all that next.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
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Speaker 2 (13:02):
All right, little little short on time in this segment,
because we went really long with the Kelly Loffler so
I will go through the LA Times report on that
the big lie that Karen Bass told, and in a
normal world, this would end her political career. This afternoon,
she'd be done. And I'll tell you about the big lie.
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It's an extensive story and it's about how she lied.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
She really did.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Order the watering down or may have watered down the
after action report herself to cover up all the all
the incompetence of herself and the Los Angeles Fire Department,
both in preparation for the fire and the winds and
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also the response and everything that that followed.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I wanted the reason we're running late.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I had Kelly Loffler on and she's with the Small
Business Administration for the Trump administration. And Leez Elden is
in LA two and he's with EPA and he's going
to be helping to coordinate the federal involvement to try
to get the rebuilding going here because it's clearly hit
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a dead end. It's a wall, and you can't make
people care. That's one thing I've learned in life. If
they don't care, they're not going to get up in
the morning and do what you need them to do,
or do the right thing, and Karen Bass and the
city bureaucrats, because they never suffer consequences, don't care and
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they know it doesn't matter. There's going to be no impact.
That's what they believe. So they have never streamlined the
permit process. They have made it complicated, difficult, and extremely slow.
And Leez Elden pointed out that a thousand permits that
residents have submitted were kicked back to them. Why probably nonsense,
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probus certainly.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Kelly Loffler explained that what the Trump administration is doing
with that executive order is that you can self certify,
You get your contractor, and if sixty day goes by,
sixty days go by and you don't have a permit approved,
then you could self certify, fill out some forms. There
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has to be an inspector eventually signing off on the
build before you can live in that new house. But
it's basically saying, all right, the hell with you, You're
not gonna You're not gonna do the right thing because
you don't care. Well, everyone's gonna have to build without
the cooperation of the city, and it seems like this
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Trump order will allow you to do that. And the
same thing with small businesses. As Kelly Lossler pointed out,
there was three billion dollars that the Trump administration gave
to the residents of the fires, and I don't know
what was done with it. I don't know if it's
still sitting in account. But there's very little rebuilding going on. Obviously,
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all these stories are real. I have talked with enough
people connected to both towns, and it really is that bad.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's not an exaggeration.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And you saw a happy, smiley, crazy person yesterday's running
for reelection. She just pretends that there's nothing wrong. She
gives a couple of lines of lip service, and then
we're resilient. Oh, by the way, the World Cup's coming
in town, you hear. Oh, and that's going to be
the super Bowl and then the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, And that's that's what she cares about. And then
she gets really agitated every time a criminal illegal alien
is arrested. Boy, I tell you there's a legal alien,
rapist or murderer on the lowise to Oh. Karen Bass
is out there, full energy outrage, shaking her fists, squealing
and screaming. But you stupid people with your stupid homes,
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paying your taxes, not interested. It's you know, it's it's
it's not a political division here, it's not two opposing opinions.
It's she doesn't care. You need a house. You're in
great distress, you have been for a year. Horrific thing happened.
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Her fault, fire officials, their fault. They're trying to cover
up the responsibility and lie about the cover up. And
I'll read you the LA Times report coming up, and
we'll also read you the Karen past denial.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
How about that.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
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Speaker 2 (17:54):
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for those of you who are just joining us. The
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big story of the day is this blockbuster report in
the Los Angeles Times by Paul Pringle and a lean
Check Midian, and the headline says Bass directed the watering
down of the Palisades Fire after action reports. That's what
she did. She constantly said she had nothing to do
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with the six revisions of that report, which turned it
into oatmeal, and you couldn't tell what was done or
not done, what mistakes were made, why everything burned down.
And that's because Karen Bass had it rewritten, ordered it rewritten,
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and her lackeys obediently, obediently did her fitting. Here's the story.
For nearly two months, Mayor Karen Bass has repeatedly denied
that she was involved in altering an after action report
on the Palisades fire, which downplayed failures by the city
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and the La Fire Department in combating the catastrophic blaze.
But two sources with knowledge of Bass's office said after
receiving an early draft, the mayor told the then interim
fire chief, Ronnie Vanueva, that the report could expose the
city to legal liabilities for those failures, So Bass wanted
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key findings about the fire department's actions removed or softened
before the report was made public, according to the sources,
and that is what happened. I want to point out
myself here that whatever the findings, everybody wants the truth,
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period and that She's not trying to prevent legal liability.
The liability is coming. The civil lawsuits will reveal all eventually.
What she didn't want is bad headlines during her election campaign.
That's the reason. Now back to the La Times. The
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changes to the original report came to light through Times
investigation in December. The sources told The Times that two
people close to Bass informed them of the mayor's behind
the scenes role in watering down the report. One source
spoke to both of those people, the other to one
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of them. The sources requested anonymity to speak frankly about
the mayor's private conversations with Vianueva and others. The Times
is not naming the people who are close to Bass
because that could have the effect of identifying the sources.
One Basque confidante told one of the sources that the
mayor quote the mayor didn't tell the truth when she
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said she had nothing to do with changing the report.
The source said. The confidante advised Bass that altering the
report quote was a bad idea because it would hurt
her politically. According to the source, The two confidants said
that Bass held onto the original draft until the changes
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were made. The source added that both confidants said they
are prepared to testify under oath to verify their accounts
if the matter ends up in illegal proceeding. I imagine
they've already gotten a phone call. Both sources said they
did not know if Ving a Waiver or anyone else
in the Fire Department or in the Mayor's office made
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line by line edits at Bassi's specific instructions, or if
they imposed the changes after receiving a general direction from her.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Here's a quote.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
All the changes the Times reported on were the ones
Karen wanted, the second source said, referring primarily to the
Times determination that the report was altered to deflect attention
from the fire department's failure to pre deploy cruise to
the Palisades before the fire. Bass did not respond this
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week to a comment for the article. Well, she has
since responded, and we'll get to that. The mayor has
previously rejected several requests by The Times to be interviewed
about the report. In response to written questions, a spokesperson
for the bass office said in an email in December,
the report was written and edited by the Fire Department.
We did not redline review every page. Or review every
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draft of the report. The spokesperson, Clara Carter, said the
Mayor's office asked only that the Fire department fact check
any findings regarding the effect of the city finances and
the high wind forecasts. Bast told The Times last month
in a brief interview, she did not work with the
Fire Department on the changes, nor did the agency consult her.
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The only thing that I told them to do was
talk to Matt Zaebo, one of the bureaucrats, about the
budget and the funding, and that was it. That's a
technical report. I'm not a firefighter. Vian Aueva, the interim
fire chief, not commenting. He's made no public statements about
the report. Debor do you have her response, handy or
rebuttal Handy Janethea Hudley Hayes said Van Aweva told her
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in mid August that a draft of the report was
sent to the Mayor's office for refinements, and she didn't
know what they were, but after reviewing an early draft
and the final document, she thought the material findings were
not authored were not altered. Now the author the original writer,
Battalion Chief Kenneth Cook, declined to entorse the final version
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because the changes altered his findings and made the report,
he said, highly unprofessional and inconsistent with our established standards. Now, Bass,
after repeatedly saying she had nothing to do with it
or repeatedly refusing to answer questions, today has come out
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and in a statement is it even from her?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Or is it right her office?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Sorry?
Speaker 6 (24:23):
I was something you're talking to me?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, I read it. Could you read it? Yes? So.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Mayor Bass's office is criticizing the report, and the office
says that, contrary to the report in the La Times,
she and her staff made no changes to the drafts
and she only asked the LA Fire Department to make
sure that an early draft was accurate on issues like
weather and budget. In her office says, this report is
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muck raking journalism at its lowest form.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
All right, Uh, that is a pretty weak denial to
call it muck raking journalism. The muck is the truth.
She got caught. Her own staff has turned her in.
Her own staff is the original source of the story.
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She watered it down. Everybody suspected that. I had no
doubt that it was her. She's not trying to protect
the city's liability because the city's screwed on this. I
don't know of anybody now who doesn't think that the
city botched this up tragically, overwhelmingly. And now she's been
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quartered and all she can do is accuse the Times
of muck raking. I just looked back at the two glowing,
over the top endorsements that The Times gave Bass back
in twenty twenty two, both in the primary election and
uh the November race against Rick Caruso. Uh, maybe tomorrow
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I'll read the two endorsements.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I know Patrick soon Young has since disbanded the editorial board,
and hopefully all the idiots who write and influence the
readers are unemployed now and will never be allowed to
write publicly again, because you can't believe the slot they
wrote about how wonderful Karen Bass is and what a
what a what a bad choice Rick Caruso would be.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But this is this is.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
The cult that's been running the media and running the
city in the county now for a long time. And
what you end up with, You end up with the
palis As burned to the ground, and Altadena has burned
to the ground, and after a year, hardly anything's been rebuilt.
And now the Trump administrations in town to try to
fix things. I'd be interested to see what kind of
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TV coverage there is of Bass being caught lying by
her own staff.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
All right, more coming up.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
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at John Cobelt's show. All right, so we're we are
going to stay on this. This story in the La
Times that Karen Bass, according to two sources who were
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connected to two people in Bass's inner circle, that Bass
did order the fire department report water down. She is
consistently denied that, and it looks as if she's lying,
and now now something has to be done.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Now. Normally people would resign when they're caught.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Committing committing these kinds of acts, or they'd be forced out.
You'd have every politician coming out and saying, Okay, that's it,
enough is enough. You'd have all the television stations, in
the newspapers everybody say stop, that's it. You went to Ghana.
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You've completely botched the rebuild. You only half funded the
fire department. You hired or retain morons, Denise Kenonias at
the DWP with the empty reservoir, the the the idiot
Kristen Crowley who didn't even assign firefighters. They didn't predploy anybody.
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They didn't they didn't have anybody put out the original fire.
I mean, any number of things could have been done,
and this never ever happens.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It's it's heartbreaking, it's so infuriating. And she goes on
skipping along, dancing along, smiling.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Because she feels like there's no consequences, because there hasn't
been consequences. What was the last time it was a
consequence for a politician in California?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
What was the last time?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Great? Davis? What do you gotta recall?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Was that the last consequence of any note? She can't,
she can't stay as mayor. Somebody's got to do something here,
somebody has I can't.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
But the thing is, it's all what party rule. Nobody
would dare. They're all chicken.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
They're all like, uh, I mean Moore, the LA Fire
Department chief chief number three, when he was pressed by
a reporter this week, he said about the fire report, well,
what would people do with that information anyway, They're just
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gonna point fingers, They're gonna point blame. It's like, yeah,
so that the people responsible get fired, whoever was involved
in all these decisions not to pre deploy firefighters that morning,
not to.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Have the second shift stay on.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And I know Kristin Crowley already quit, but she ought
to be where she ought to be forced to testify
in public by some Sacramento committee. Bess her sin goes
to Ghana a whole week's worth of wind warnings and
(30:36):
fire warnings, and then she lies and claims, oh, I
didn't know. Nobody told me the things. You're blaming Kristin
Crowley for not telling her. And she deleted all her
texts from January. Remember she deleted them all. And now
so that her reelection goes more smoothly, she rewrites the
(30:59):
report and then lies about rewriting.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's it's all cover up, it's all lied. She should
be gone. This can't go on. We can't have this,
We can't have this.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And I think you gotta tell you live in La
you gotta tell your city council person and call up
everybody at the damned television stations.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
This has gotta be done.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
We had too many people die, we had thousands are homeless.
Now there's all kinds of suffering. Everything's bollock stuff everything,
everything is so messed up. You have no idea how
bad it is for these people in Alta Dana in
the Palace that you have no idea the insurance, the permits,
(31:43):
just the vast wasteland of two thriving towns here in
southern California, destroyed through stupidity and negligence. It's it's it's
such a crime. Hopefully the Trump people can make some
serious progress on this, but that's should be gone. This
is the big lie. And I hope these people testify
(32:07):
under oath, and I hope we learn about their testimony
real soon. And Michael Krozer has the news Conways next
live in the CAFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey, you've
been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You can
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