September 15, 2025 • 32 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (09/15) - Don Mihalek comes on the show to talk about the security at the Charlie Kirk event at Utah Valley University where Kirk was assassinated last week. Charlie Kirk's killer Tyler Robinson lived with a transgender person and was romantically involved. More on who Charlie Kirk's romantic transgender partner was.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't find AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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in case you missed it, either a piece of it
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Radio app. This story is going to stick with us
for a good long time because there's so many components
(00:24):
to it. It's the Charlie Kirk assassination. And next segment,
I want to talk about Charlie Kirk's bizarre partner.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's hard to characterize exactly what are you talking about,
Charlie Kirk's partner or the guy that suspected of killing
him's partner.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Did I say Charlie Kirk's partner. Yeah, thank you. This
is why you're here, Charlie Kirk's killers partner. So we'll
do that and you stay right next to me. Okay, okay,
I'm easily confused.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh I am too.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean that was not I had.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You know something a big breaking news here. We're going
to talk first though, this is an important part of
the story. Is Charlie Kirk. I said this At the start,
I was aware of him. You know, I probably could
have told you the first four or five lines of
his Wikipedia entry. I knew he was in Trump's inner orbit,
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had a lot to do with turning out the Youth
Vogue tour to colleges, but I wasn't in the target audience.
And in finding out that most of my friends people,
I know, maybe they knew of him, maybe they didn't,
but again, they weren't in the target audience. Under thirty
people clearly were college students, absolutely, and knowing now just
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how controversial he was, seeing some of the things he
said and seeing how much he was hated by a
component of the population, what really shocks me even more
in retrospect is he had virtually no security when he
appeared at Utah Valley University last week when he was killed.
We're going to talk with Don Mahallack. He's ABC News
(02:12):
Law Enforcement contributor, retired Senior Service secret retired Senior Circuit,
retired Secret Service Agents. Yeah, I know, I know, and
let's get done on quickly. How are you, Don?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Hey John good Man, I always love having you on
What what?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
What? I did?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It really astound you that Charlie Kirk, considering his stature
and his controversy and the enemies he'd collected, would would
go out in front of three thousand people with virtually
no protection.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It doesn't understand me. I think the world of protection
has changed, and I still think people are trying to
catch up to it. You back back in the day,
you know, you could hold an outdoor event and alike
for somebody like a Charlie Kirk, and you probably could
do light security. But in this day and age, with
the way threats fantastasize online, with the instantaneous way people
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can communicate, with these corners of the dark wherever these
websites like discord, where people can make violent statements literally
almost unknown. You know, the protection discipline is different and
it is no longer the type of thing where you
can show up to an event with you know, six
people that could stand around the stage and it's safe.
You know. According to the Utah School Chief, he said
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they followed the lead of his personal security people because quote,
they've done this all over the country. So that says
to me the Utah School Chief was either over relying
on private security and or didn't have the experience necessary
to protect this kind of event, and that's why the
event was set up where it was at. Why there
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was They said there was six police officers there and
allegedly some plane clothes. People that attended the event said
they didn't feel like there was any security. Anybody could
enter the event even though you had the register for tickets.
There was no access control, which is critical in a
in a any kind of a protective venue. In in addition
to that, as you said, John like Charlie had threats
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against him, there was nine hundred people that found an
online petition against him from the allegedly from the campus,
and he was controversial, so that in and of itself
should have drove how they did protection. And the other
piece that was missing here is nobody seems to have
worked with anybody outside of the college, the local police,
the local ams, the local fire, your traditional stakeholders. They
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were nowhere to be found, which is why we saw
this important video of Charlie being carried by his detail
to the car versus an ambulance being there and able
to render aid to him. Not that that may have
made a difference, but at least there would have been there.
There are a lot mistakes made in this world of protection.
I think a lot of it out of a period
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of people just not understanding the world we're in now
and not getting to the point of really understanding we're
in't a dangerous part of the dangerous part of history.
Right now, You've got two assassinations against President Trump, You've
had a CEO in New York who killed in broad daylight.
You've got the Pennsylvania governor's house, arsond Minnesota politicians targeted
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for assassination. I mean, we're in a whole different threat
dynamic than we were twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Charlie Kirch Pastor came on our show and said he
knew that Charlie got hundreds of death threats, and I
guess didn't take it seriously enough to bring his own
major force, or to work with local police or school security,
or just do the venue indoors where you get have
much better crowd control and weapons detectors, metal detectors. I'm
(06:00):
just kind of surprised that he wasn't aware of the
danger he was in, or maybe he was and didn't
bother him apparently deeply enough.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well oftentimes to protectee is not either aware or does
not understand the veracity of the threats against them, which
is why the professionals around him or working with him
are the ones that need to sort of guide the protection,
in this case, his private security. When they got to
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the school, I mean the line of sight issues at
that site, it looked a lot like Butler. You had
a lot of buildings around where they put him. They
basically put him for lack of a bettermini of shooting gallery.
They could have manipulated the site so he wasn't in
direct line of sight of these buildings. They could have
had better access control. They could have moved the event
indoors because of the threats. There's a range of things
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they could have done in order to better secure that
site that were not implemented. It looked like they literally
pisched a tent and said here we go and had
an event.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh that is not who should protection?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
If Kirk wasn't going to take the lead on this,
who should have taken the lead? Was it the responsibility
of the school or of the city, the county. Somebody
should have said, look, we'd love to have you here,
but we're going to insist on the following measures.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
The local school, the school has a police department, the
local school police department should have taken the lead, and
if they didn't have the experience to take the lead,
probably should have invited in the local police or the
state police and said, look, we're going to have this event.
Don't know what we're getting ourselves into. There's a lot
of issues here. You want to help us, and guarantee
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they would they would have helped, and they would have
come up with a better plan than what they had.
The buildings around that perimeter from from eyewitnesses were wide open, unsecured,
and from a report that just came out from ABC,
it sounds like the shooter did his homework. He looked
at maps, he went to the site, he checked the buildings,
He did his homework. More so than it sounds like
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the people that were there to provide security for the site,
and that's what we're up against.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I heard he was there at six start in
the morning doing his research.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
He was there beforehand, apparently doing his research. And yet
the local officials on the college campus, you know, they
were again, whether it's inexperience or they were too reliant
on a private security, they didn't really look at the
same threat picture and threat and threats and threat intelligence,
drive everything with protection and look at it and go
(08:30):
holl wait a second, we could have a problem here,
let's try to I mean, even from the perspective of
a crowd overrunning the stage and overrunning the area, that
site wasn't set up to even protect from that. So
they really needed and these days people really need to
do their homework and do a much better job of
pulling all the stakeholders together to make sure that you're
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covering your bases and that site security is paramount. Whenever
you have an individual like a Charlie.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Kirk visiting, Don, thank you for coming on, Thanks for
having me, John all right, Don Mahallak, ABC News law
enforcement contributor and retired senior Secret Service agent at a
Philadelphia and we often have them on when we come back.
By the way, I saw a photo from the roof
and the line of sight to the stage was incredibly clear.
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He had an absolute wide open shot at picking off
Charlie Kirk or anybody else that he wanted. And you
would think, after Butler, the first thing that would pop
into people's minds is, well, what buildings can a sniper
perch on? And now that it's happened twice. I just
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can't believe that everybody involved it didn't occur to him. Now,
maybe the police chief didn't know a whole lot about
Charlie Kirk. I'm finding a fair number of people didn't
realize what he was and the controversy he brought with him,
And maybe the police chief was not in the loop
on that. Maybe you know, other leaders we're not that
way either. I mean, there's a lot of speakers going around.
(10:04):
It's a lot of political people, a lot of podcast hosts,
a lot of radio hosts, a lot of guys, you know,
banging a drum looking for attention, and it's impossible for
anybody to keep up with all this. When we come
back Charlie Kirk's killer's partner. There, you go, Wow, this
(10:25):
this partner wasn't just trance more than that. Very disturbing
something I've always been disturbed by since I learned it
as a thing.
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the calls back. So we just had Don Mahalakhan, he's
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the retired senior Secret Service agent, ABC News Law Enforcement correspondent,
and we discussed the almost complete lack of security at
Charlie Kirk's event, and now understanding fully his fame and
notoriety and controversy and the enemies and the anger that
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he collected along the way, I find it inconceivable that
he didn't do this indoors, with metal detectors, with crowd control.
People hired tickets even if you're not charging tickets, with
barcodes and just everything, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And because there's.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No way a guy with a rifle would have been
able to pull off a shot from one hundred fifty
yards away. I mean, there's always a way if you
want to get at somebody, but the idea is to
reduce the possibilities, make it as difficult as possible. And
I realized that his whole routine was just shows up
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with a chair and throws the chair out on the stage,
sits down. He's got a microphone. You get a microphone
on a table in front of the stage, and let's
go to it. Very simple, nothing threatening about it, nothing
domineering about it. But you know, he's uncorked a lot
of rage in people, as you could see by the
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aftermath of the assassination. And we'll talk about that later.
But here's the part during the week during the weekend
that made me go, ah, I truly don't understand this,
and we have.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Talked about this from time to time.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The trans partner of Charlie Kirk's Killer Killer is named
Tyler Robinson. His partner at home and this is a
real name, Lance Twigs. Lance is a guy transitioning to
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becoming a woman. They're romantically involved. This is the first
time I thought using the word partner makes sense, because
what do you call them a boyfriend? Girlfriend? It maybe
depends on the day. Lance was also a furry. You
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know about furries.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You're looking quizzically at me.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Of course I do, because you talk about them all
the time on this show.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Because they really really bothered me, and they pop up
in the news from time to time. In fact, the
last furry story was the guy who shot up the
church in Minneapolis also transgender, and he had a girlfriend
who was a furry, and he was angry at the
girlfriend for being a furry.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't know if he was or not. But in
this case, according to.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
News reports, and I got the Daily Mail and I
got the New York Post. Here these people had multiple
identities online. Lance Twigs again is the partner going male
to female and a furry and furries like to dress
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up in fur costumes of animals, and they also there's
a sexual component to it's lance. Twigs was seen in
social media photos wearing fur ears and other fur garb.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's serious? I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
How the hell do you end up being sex really
stimulated by dressing up in a fur costume as an
animal and then you find a guy who's attracted to it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Why don't you get a free on this show and ask?
Because I cannot explain that to you, because I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I'm afraid to they're taking people out these days. I
there's a username associated with Tyler Robinson. A username has
an account on fur affinity dot net, so he had
an account. I don't know if his trans friend used it,
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or this guy was also into the movement. They cater
to people who like humanoid animal illustrations and dressing up
in first toos, furs, suits, and many of the cartoon
animal characters pictured on the site are in sexualized poses. Now,
I know your sexuality can be affected by childhood traumas
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or childhood right and end up with strange fetishes. You know,
maybe if you see your mom and the nude too
many times, it might stir something up later.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I had a very very dull upbringing, painfully excruciatingly boring.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Mom and dad. They weren't furries.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, mom and dad weren't furries, and neither were any
of my friend's parents or their brothers. Or this is
there was no furries where I grew up. And I
really don't get this all.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Is it something you're in the crib and something about
your stuffed animals.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's got to start somewhere.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Maybe a pet, you got a little you're coupling with
your pet and the sofa and got a little.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Turn jew on.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, yeah, maybe the dog came and started looking a
little too close.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You know, those boy dogs that red rocket.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Hey, my dog humps me. He jumps up in the couch,
grab my arm and starts, Okay, I have.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
A female dog that humps people.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, it seems like my dog should meet your dog
and we should give him a little private time.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Mine's fixed, so is mine. Isn't that supposed to take the.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Boy dogs, yes, but they do it.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They don't necessarily do it because their horny. It's to
be dominant. They're trying to prove the dominance.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
The somebody'sn't have to prove his dominant on me.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I don't know, because you're because he wants to let
you know. He he is the mister Leo, and he
is the boss.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
He's at and he grabs tight.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I mean, he gets his claws in you and he
starts jumping on your arm. It's like, oh, man, well
assert your dominance. I'm gonna That's what I'm saying. Next thing,
you know, you're a furry.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You answered your own question.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
I just but the thing is, it's been it's been
too too murders in about two three weeks between this
and the Minneapolis shooting, and there was a furry element
in both of them, and so I'm baffled.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm puzzled. I'm very disturbed. I We'll continue in a minute.
And you know that's why the the etchings on one
of the bullets had to do with furry phrases from
memes and things.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
There's a whole weird, sick underworld out there.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I'm as boring as you are because I don't know
anything about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I have to edit myself. Please do several times.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
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We are on every day from one until four o'clock
and after four o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand on
the iHeart app, trying to unravel the life of Travis
Robinson who was wound. I wound up with a romantic
partner named Lance Twiggs, a guy transitioning to be a girl.
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And it looks like he was a furry like to
dress up in fur costumes and there's a sexual component
to it. And part of the transition process was the
hormones he was taking. And I'll mention that in a second.
I just I just wanted just to reset for a second.
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The reason I'm talking about this is when the shooting
first happened. I noticed it came at the very end
of a statement Kirk was making about transgenders, regarding how
many of them are out there murdering, how many of
them were involved in school shootings. I was prompted by
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a question of the audience, and there was something that
hit me right away that that was a statement from
the shooter. That was a punctuation, an exco period, an exclamation.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Point, whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
As soon as Kirk finished his thought, boom, he got nailed.
That was just my my impulse, and it turned out
turned out it was a correct impulse because more than anything,
it seems that Travis Robinson and Lance Twigs were very
upset with people who were not on the trans program
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and and increasingly had made it clear how they felt.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Online.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Lance Twiggs, the partner, posted about the medications he was
taking to slow his beard growth and get good hip growth.
I mean the I'm sorry, these sound like very weird experiments.
Can you imagine taking hormones to slow down your beard
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and he increase your hip size whatever the hell it
was doing. And he also told members on another subreddit
of ex Christians, Lance Twig said he was told I
was possessed by a demon by his family, and then
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within thirty minutes kicked out of the house because when
they tried to but they tried to get him help
for being a transgender, I started laughing and said, I'm
not going to a bishop for a blessing. Twig's family
appears to be conservative Christians based on their social media profiles,
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and Lance Twigg's sister follows Erica kirk Clark's widow on Instagram.
They also were obsessive gamers. They literally spent thousands of
hours on gaming sites. Very very bizarre subcultures out there.
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There's a journalist named andy negu and Goo. We've had
him on before. He got some of his own investigational material,
he says. In November twenty twenty four, Lance Twiggs, the partner,
posted about his anxiety while injecting cross sex hormones on
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one thread. Replying to a comment on injection pain, he says, seriously,
sometimes just muscle memory. Sometimes I gotta get buzzed with something,
so I'm not too anxious about it. He also responded
to a post some other guy was lamenting the reelection
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of Donald Trump and Lance Twiggs responded, well, actually, the
original post was Trump winning has motivated me to finally
fix my life. I won't let the idiot cispleeps who
want to be miserable win. I'll be independent, fit, happy,
and trains and they can't stop me. Twiggs responded, honestly, same.
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I realized, after a bit of dooming that even if
I was overall hiding from the local public now socially,
my life wouldn't really change, which was more depressing than
any election.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Robinson the Killer he had an avatar on his discord
site which was of the human owner character of Garfield
the Cat a.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Hell.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Now, while Twiggs is claiming he was kicked out of
the house, the apartment that Twiggs and Robinson lived in
is owned by Twiggs family. I don't recognize the world.
I don't know what I'm reading. I don't know who
these people are. I don't know how many of them
there are. I don't know what gets you here to
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where I was looking up the history of furries. Apparently,
two cartoonists back in nineteen seventy six started creating animal
focus to art, and many of the works contained adult themes,
such as Omaha the Cat Dancer, which contained explicit sex.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Those goes back fifty years, but it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Was very small and they would need at their own
little conventions.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
This is this is the evil of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Now every furry obsessive who gets sexually aroused by stuffed
animals can now convene online.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The concept of furrier originated at a.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Science fiction convention in nineteen eighty when a character from
some animated drawing or some I don't know a drawing
started a discussion in science fiction novels that these characters,
these these animal characters that had human qualities. The term
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furry fandom started as early as nineteen eighty three. Fanzines
were printed, you know, small magazines for a very narrow audience,
and then furry fans published the fanzines, and then there
were social gatherings. The first big furry convention was in
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Costa Meson at the Holiday Inn Bristol Plaza in Costa Mason,
and then once the Internet happened in the nineteen nineties,
there were more and more of these groups, both vening
at conventions and then talking to each other online. There
was a newsgroup called aut Fan Furry.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And grown.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Men looks like I mean a lot of these seem
to be guys, and there's all sexual component to it.
Some organization called First Science said the percentage of self
described furries who identify as trans is twenty five times
higher than the general population, and another twenty two percent
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either identify as non binary or gender queer or gender fluid,
whatever all that is. And the Minneapolis shooter that I mentioned,
where he shot twenty three people, killed two kids, injured
eighteen others, so I think it was twenty one.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
He had just broken up with his partner.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
She was a furry Abigail Bodic, and he was sick
of her, her blue hair and her I guess nose
rings and and her furriness. I'm not spending my life
with a blue hair and pronouns now followed by a
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bunch of obscenities. Yes, there are a lot of very
severely damaged people, and obviously they're ostracized. Obviously they're on
the fringe, and people are looking at this crowd going
what the hell? And I guess they could feel angry
and disaffected.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
In rejects like there's so many of them, though they
convene at conventions, so they might feel ostracized from the
general public. But they have their own, their own group of.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They want their own civil rights.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
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Speaker 2 (28:01):
Coming up after two o'clock. There are two stories over
the weekend with similar themes. One about Santa Monica going broke,
and the Los Angeles Times did a long story.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
On how it got there.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
There was one word missing, one concept missing from the story,
which is the most important reason, and it was not
in there.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I even did a word check and I couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And the second story is about Los Angeles restaurants in trouble,
and again the most important reason not covered. You can
guess it's fascinating. The LA Times of the New York
Times will not publicly admit the overwhelming reason that Santa
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Monica is going bust and why LA restaurants are closing,
like you know, another virus has been released. Unbelievable. They're
such liars. We'll get to that right after Dever's news.
I only got a man in it. I just just
one more thought. Because he spent an hour partly on
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the lack of security that Charlie Kirk had and partly on.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
This this assassin.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Tyler Robinson and his transitioning partner, and the transitioning partner
is a furry, and Robinson might have been involved in furriness,
and that that's dressing up his animals.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
There's a huge sexual component.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's an online All this stuff comes out of online culture.
I'm telling you, if you're a mom or a dad
and you've got a little kid, keep them away from
the Internet as long as you can be as strict
as you can be. This is such disgusting, perverted sewage
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on the internet now and it and by the way,
being a good Christian doesn't cut it. These Mormon families
probably went by the book and taking their kids to
church and teaching them the commandments and godly values does
not cut It doesn't matter what you were like as
a parent, doesn't matter what your values are, doesn't matter
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if you did everything right or everything wrong, if you
let your your kid online unlimited, no supervision.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
More and more of this is.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Happening, radicalized politics, bizarre sexual cults like furries I I
and it's just it's it's it's unbelievable. And that that
little thing that they walk around staring at all day
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in their hand, that stupid phone or their iPad or
their desktop or your desktop. That thing destroys brains. It's
a horrible, horrible infection that ruins your kids' personalities, gets
them obsessed with all kinds of incomprehensible nonsense. I don't
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have a solution for it except keep it away from
them as much as you can, as long as you can,
because the more they do other things, the much better
their minds will be and their emotional development just is
(31:40):
I didn't really have to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The generation will.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Deborah and I have kids about the same age, and
we just missed this.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I am so glad too.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I would not want to be a parent of kids
over the last ten twelve years who are just passing
out of elementary school through high school. All my god,
I can't believe what I'm seeing and reading. We'll be
talking a lot about this kind of stuff, I think,
for quite a while, because there's a whole generation that's
had their minds destroyed by this nonsense. Let's go to
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Deborah mark Lyve in the Canfi twenty for our newsroom
Can't find AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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You can join us every day from one until four o'clock,
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Radio app. This story is going to stick with us
for a good long time because there's so many components
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to it. It's the Charlie Kirk assassination. And next segment,
I want to talk about Charlie Kirk's bizarre partner.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's hard to characterize exactly what are you talking about,
Charlie Kirk's partner or the guy that suspected of killing
him's partner.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Did I say Charlie Kirk's partner. Yeah, thank you. This
is why you're here, Charlie Kirk's killers partner. So we'll
do that and you stay right next to me. Okay, okay,
I'm easily confused.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh I am too.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean that was not I had.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You know something a big breaking news here. We're going
to talk first though, this is an important part of
the story. Is Charlie Kirk. I said this At the start,
I was aware of him. You know, I probably could
have told you the first four or five lines of
his Wikipedia entry. I knew he was in Trump's inner orbit,
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had a lot to do with turning out the Youth
Vogue tour to colleges, but I wasn't in the target audience.
And in finding out that most of my friends people,
I know, maybe they knew of him, maybe they didn't,
but again, they weren't in the target audience. Under thirty
people clearly were college students, absolutely, and knowing now just
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how controversial he was, seeing some of the things he
said and seeing how much he was hated by a
component of the population, what really shocks me even more
in retrospect is he had virtually no security when he
appeared at Utah Valley University last week when he was killed.
We're going to talk with Don Mahallack. He's ABC News
(02:12):
Law Enforcement contributor, retired Senior Service secret retired Senior Circuit,
retired Secret Service Agents. Yeah, I know, I know, and
let's get done on quickly. How are you, Don?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Hey John good Man, I always love having you on
What what?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
What? I did?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It really astound you that Charlie Kirk, considering his stature
and his controversy and the enemies he'd collected, would would
go out in front of three thousand people with virtually
no protection.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It doesn't understand me. I think the world of protection
has changed, and I still think people are trying to
catch up to it. You back back in the day,
you know, you could hold an outdoor event and alike
for somebody like a Charlie Kirk, and you probably could
do light security. But in this day and age, with
the way threats fantastasize online, with the instantaneous way people
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can communicate, with these corners of the dark wherever these
websites like discord, where people can make violent statements literally
almost unknown. You know, the protection discipline is different and
it is no longer the type of thing where you
can show up to an event with you know, six
people that could stand around the stage and it's safe.
You know. According to the Utah School Chief, he said
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they followed the lead of his personal security people because quote,
they've done this all over the country. So that says
to me the Utah School Chief was either over relying
on private security and or didn't have the experience necessary
to protect this kind of event, and that's why the
event was set up where it was at. Why there
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was They said there was six police officers there and
allegedly some plane clothes. People that attended the event said
they didn't feel like there was any security. Anybody could
enter the event even though you had the register for tickets.
There was no access control, which is critical in a
in a any kind of a protective venue. In in addition
to that, as you said, John like Charlie had threats
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against him, there was nine hundred people that found an
online petition against him from the allegedly from the campus,
and he was controversial, so that in and of itself
should have drove how they did protection. And the other
piece that was missing here is nobody seems to have
worked with anybody outside of the college, the local police,
the local ams, the local fire, your traditional stakeholders. They
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were nowhere to be found, which is why we saw
this important video of Charlie being carried by his detail
to the car versus an ambulance being there and able
to render aid to him. Not that that may have
made a difference, but at least there would have been there.
There are a lot mistakes made in this world of protection.
I think a lot of it out of a period
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of people just not understanding the world we're in now
and not getting to the point of really understanding we're
in't a dangerous part of the dangerous part of history.
Right now, You've got two assassinations against President Trump, You've
had a CEO in New York who killed in broad daylight.
You've got the Pennsylvania governor's house, arsond Minnesota politicians targeted
(05:30):
for assassination. I mean, we're in a whole different threat
dynamic than we were twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Charlie Kirch Pastor came on our show and said he
knew that Charlie got hundreds of death threats, and I
guess didn't take it seriously enough to bring his own
major force, or to work with local police or school security,
or just do the venue indoors where you get have
much better crowd control and weapons detectors, metal detectors. I'm
(06:00):
just kind of surprised that he wasn't aware of the
danger he was in, or maybe he was and didn't
bother him apparently deeply enough.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well oftentimes to protectee is not either aware or does
not understand the veracity of the threats against them, which
is why the professionals around him or working with him
are the ones that need to sort of guide the protection,
in this case, his private security. When they got to
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the school, I mean the line of sight issues at
that site, it looked a lot like Butler. You had
a lot of buildings around where they put him. They
basically put him for lack of a bettermini of shooting gallery.
They could have manipulated the site so he wasn't in
direct line of sight of these buildings. They could have
had better access control. They could have moved the event
indoors because of the threats. There's a range of things
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they could have done in order to better secure that
site that were not implemented. It looked like they literally
pisched a tent and said here we go and had
an event.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh that is not who should protection?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
If Kirk wasn't going to take the lead on this,
who should have taken the lead? Was it the responsibility
of the school or of the city, the county. Somebody
should have said, look, we'd love to have you here,
but we're going to insist on the following measures.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
The local school, the school has a police department, the
local school police department should have taken the lead, and
if they didn't have the experience to take the lead,
probably should have invited in the local police or the
state police and said, look, we're going to have this event.
Don't know what we're getting ourselves into. There's a lot
of issues here. You want to help us, and guarantee
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they would they would have helped, and they would have
come up with a better plan than what they had.
The buildings around that perimeter from from eyewitnesses were wide open, unsecured,
and from a report that just came out from ABC,
it sounds like the shooter did his homework. He looked
at maps, he went to the site, he checked the buildings,
He did his homework. More so than it sounds like
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the people that were there to provide security for the site,
and that's what we're up against.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I heard he was there at six start in
the morning doing his research.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
He was there beforehand, apparently doing his research. And yet
the local officials on the college campus, you know, they
were again, whether it's inexperience or they were too reliant
on a private security, they didn't really look at the
same threat picture and threat and threats and threat intelligence,
drive everything with protection and look at it and go
(08:30):
holl wait a second, we could have a problem here,
let's try to I mean, even from the perspective of
a crowd overrunning the stage and overrunning the area, that
site wasn't set up to even protect from that. So
they really needed and these days people really need to
do their homework and do a much better job of
pulling all the stakeholders together to make sure that you're
(08:51):
covering your bases and that site security is paramount. Whenever
you have an individual like a Charlie.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Kirk visiting, Don, thank you for coming on, Thanks for
having me, John all right, Don Mahallak, ABC News law
enforcement contributor and retired senior Secret Service agent at a
Philadelphia and we often have them on when we come back.
By the way, I saw a photo from the roof
and the line of sight to the stage was incredibly clear.
(09:21):
He had an absolute wide open shot at picking off
Charlie Kirk or anybody else that he wanted. And you
would think, after Butler, the first thing that would pop
into people's minds is, well, what buildings can a sniper
perch on? And now that it's happened twice. I just
(09:42):
can't believe that everybody involved it didn't occur to him. Now,
maybe the police chief didn't know a whole lot about
Charlie Kirk. I'm finding a fair number of people didn't
realize what he was and the controversy he brought with him,
And maybe the police chief was not in the loop
on that. Maybe you know, other leaders we're not that
way either. I mean, there's a lot of speakers going around.
(10:04):
It's a lot of political people, a lot of podcast hosts,
a lot of radio hosts, a lot of guys, you know,
banging a drum looking for attention, and it's impossible for
anybody to keep up with all this. When we come
back Charlie Kirk's killer's partner. There, you go, Wow, this
(10:25):
this partner wasn't just trance more than that. Very disturbing
something I've always been disturbed by since I learned it
as a thing.
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the calls back. So we just had Don Mahalakhan, he's
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the retired senior Secret Service agent, ABC News Law Enforcement correspondent,
and we discussed the almost complete lack of security at
Charlie Kirk's event, and now understanding fully his fame and
notoriety and controversy and the enemies and the anger that
(11:29):
he collected along the way, I find it inconceivable that
he didn't do this indoors, with metal detectors, with crowd control.
People hired tickets even if you're not charging tickets, with
barcodes and just everything, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And because there's.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No way a guy with a rifle would have been
able to pull off a shot from one hundred fifty
yards away. I mean, there's always a way if you
want to get at somebody, but the idea is to
reduce the possibilities, make it as difficult as possible. And
I realized that his whole routine was just shows up
(12:14):
with a chair and throws the chair out on the stage,
sits down. He's got a microphone. You get a microphone
on a table in front of the stage, and let's
go to it. Very simple, nothing threatening about it, nothing
domineering about it. But you know, he's uncorked a lot
of rage in people, as you could see by the
(12:36):
aftermath of the assassination. And we'll talk about that later.
But here's the part during the week during the weekend
that made me go, ah, I truly don't understand this,
and we have.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Talked about this from time to time.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The trans partner of Charlie Kirk's Killer Killer is named
Tyler Robinson. His partner at home and this is a
real name, Lance Twigs. Lance is a guy transitioning to
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becoming a woman. They're romantically involved. This is the first
time I thought using the word partner makes sense, because
what do you call them a boyfriend? Girlfriend? It maybe
depends on the day. Lance was also a furry. You
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know about furries.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You're looking quizzically at me.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Of course I do, because you talk about them all
the time on this show.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Because they really really bothered me, and they pop up
in the news from time to time. In fact, the
last furry story was the guy who shot up the
church in Minneapolis also transgender, and he had a girlfriend
who was a furry, and he was angry at the
girlfriend for being a furry.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't know if he was or not. But in
this case, according to.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
News reports, and I got the Daily Mail and I
got the New York Post. Here these people had multiple
identities online. Lance Twigs again is the partner going male
to female and a furry and furries like to dress
(14:31):
up in fur costumes of animals, and they also there's
a sexual component to it's lance. Twigs was seen in
social media photos wearing fur ears and other fur garb.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's serious? I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
How the hell do you end up being sex really
stimulated by dressing up in a fur costume as an
animal and then you find a guy who's attracted to it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Why don't you get a free on this show and ask?
Because I cannot explain that to you, because I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I'm afraid to they're taking people out these days. I
there's a username associated with Tyler Robinson. A username has
an account on fur affinity dot net, so he had
an account. I don't know if his trans friend used it,
(15:35):
or this guy was also into the movement. They cater
to people who like humanoid animal illustrations and dressing up
in first toos, furs, suits, and many of the cartoon
animal characters pictured on the site are in sexualized poses. Now,
I know your sexuality can be affected by childhood traumas
(15:57):
or childhood right and end up with strange fetishes. You know,
maybe if you see your mom and the nude too
many times, it might stir something up later.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I had a very very dull upbringing, painfully excruciatingly boring.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Mom and dad. They weren't furries.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, mom and dad weren't furries, and neither were any
of my friend's parents or their brothers. Or this is
there was no furries where I grew up. And I
really don't get this all.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Is it something you're in the crib and something about
your stuffed animals.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's got to start somewhere.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Maybe a pet, you got a little you're coupling with
your pet and the sofa and got a little.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Turn jew on.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, yeah, maybe the dog came and started looking a
little too close.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You know, those boy dogs that red rocket.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Hey, my dog humps me. He jumps up in the couch,
grab my arm and starts, Okay, I have.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
A female dog that humps people.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, it seems like my dog should meet your dog
and we should give him a little private time.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Mine's fixed, so is mine. Isn't that supposed to take the.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Boy dogs, yes, but they do it.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They don't necessarily do it because their horny. It's to
be dominant. They're trying to prove the dominance.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
The somebody'sn't have to prove his dominant on me.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I don't know, because you're because he wants to let
you know. He he is the mister Leo, and he
is the boss.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
He's at and he grabs tight.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I mean, he gets his claws in you and he
starts jumping on your arm. It's like, oh, man, well
assert your dominance. I'm gonna That's what I'm saying. Next thing,
you know, you're a furry.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You answered your own question.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
I just but the thing is, it's been it's been
too too murders in about two three weeks between this
and the Minneapolis shooting, and there was a furry element
in both of them, and so I'm baffled.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm puzzled. I'm very disturbed. I We'll continue in a minute.
And you know that's why the the etchings on one
of the bullets had to do with furry phrases from
memes and things.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
There's a whole weird, sick underworld out there.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I'm as boring as you are because I don't know
anything about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I have to edit myself. Please do several times.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
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We are on every day from one until four o'clock
and after four o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand on
the iHeart app, trying to unravel the life of Travis
Robinson who was wound. I wound up with a romantic
partner named Lance Twiggs, a guy transitioning to be a girl.
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And it looks like he was a furry like to
dress up in fur costumes and there's a sexual component
to it. And part of the transition process was the
hormones he was taking. And I'll mention that in a second.
I just I just wanted just to reset for a second.
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The reason I'm talking about this is when the shooting
first happened. I noticed it came at the very end
of a statement Kirk was making about transgenders, regarding how
many of them are out there murdering, how many of
them were involved in school shootings. I was prompted by
(19:50):
a question of the audience, and there was something that
hit me right away that that was a statement from
the shooter. That was a punctuation, an exco period, an exclamation.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Point, whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
As soon as Kirk finished his thought, boom, he got nailed.
That was just my my impulse, and it turned out
turned out it was a correct impulse because more than anything,
it seems that Travis Robinson and Lance Twigs were very
upset with people who were not on the trans program
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and and increasingly had made it clear how they felt.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Online.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Lance Twiggs, the partner, posted about the medications he was
taking to slow his beard growth and get good hip growth.
I mean the I'm sorry, these sound like very weird experiments.
Can you imagine taking hormones to slow down your beard
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and he increase your hip size whatever the hell it
was doing. And he also told members on another subreddit
of ex Christians, Lance Twig said he was told I
was possessed by a demon by his family, and then
(21:20):
within thirty minutes kicked out of the house because when
they tried to but they tried to get him help
for being a transgender, I started laughing and said, I'm
not going to a bishop for a blessing. Twig's family
appears to be conservative Christians based on their social media profiles,
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and Lance Twigg's sister follows Erica kirk Clark's widow on Instagram.
They also were obsessive gamers. They literally spent thousands of
hours on gaming sites. Very very bizarre subcultures out there.
(22:07):
There's a journalist named andy negu and Goo. We've had
him on before. He got some of his own investigational material,
he says. In November twenty twenty four, Lance Twiggs, the partner,
posted about his anxiety while injecting cross sex hormones on
(22:29):
one thread. Replying to a comment on injection pain, he says, seriously,
sometimes just muscle memory. Sometimes I gotta get buzzed with something,
so I'm not too anxious about it. He also responded
to a post some other guy was lamenting the reelection
(22:51):
of Donald Trump and Lance Twiggs responded, well, actually, the
original post was Trump winning has motivated me to finally
fix my life. I won't let the idiot cispleeps who
want to be miserable win. I'll be independent, fit, happy,
and trains and they can't stop me. Twiggs responded, honestly, same.
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I realized, after a bit of dooming that even if
I was overall hiding from the local public now socially,
my life wouldn't really change, which was more depressing than
any election.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Robinson the Killer he had an avatar on his discord
site which was of the human owner character of Garfield
the Cat a.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Hell.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Now, while Twiggs is claiming he was kicked out of
the house, the apartment that Twiggs and Robinson lived in
is owned by Twiggs family. I don't recognize the world.
I don't know what I'm reading. I don't know who
these people are. I don't know how many of them
there are. I don't know what gets you here to
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where I was looking up the history of furries. Apparently,
two cartoonists back in nineteen seventy six started creating animal
focus to art, and many of the works contained adult themes,
such as Omaha the Cat Dancer, which contained explicit sex.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Those goes back fifty years, but it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Was very small and they would need at their own
little conventions.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
This is this is the evil of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Now every furry obsessive who gets sexually aroused by stuffed
animals can now convene online.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The concept of furrier originated at a.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Science fiction convention in nineteen eighty when a character from
some animated drawing or some I don't know a drawing
started a discussion in science fiction novels that these characters,
these these animal characters that had human qualities. The term
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furry fandom started as early as nineteen eighty three. Fanzines
were printed, you know, small magazines for a very narrow audience,
and then furry fans published the fanzines, and then there
were social gatherings. The first big furry convention was in
(25:45):
Costa Meson at the Holiday Inn Bristol Plaza in Costa Mason,
and then once the Internet happened in the nineteen nineties,
there were more and more of these groups, both vening
at conventions and then talking to each other online. There
was a newsgroup called aut Fan Furry.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And grown.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Men looks like I mean a lot of these seem
to be guys, and there's all sexual component to it.
Some organization called First Science said the percentage of self
described furries who identify as trans is twenty five times
higher than the general population, and another twenty two percent
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either identify as non binary or gender queer or gender fluid,
whatever all that is. And the Minneapolis shooter that I mentioned,
where he shot twenty three people, killed two kids, injured
eighteen others, so I think it was twenty one.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
He had just broken up with his partner.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
She was a furry Abigail Bodic, and he was sick
of her, her blue hair and her I guess nose
rings and and her furriness. I'm not spending my life
with a blue hair and pronouns now followed by a
(27:22):
bunch of obscenities. Yes, there are a lot of very
severely damaged people, and obviously they're ostracized. Obviously they're on
the fringe, and people are looking at this crowd going
what the hell? And I guess they could feel angry
and disaffected.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
In rejects like there's so many of them, though they
convene at conventions, so they might feel ostracized from the
general public. But they have their own, their own group of.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They want their own civil rights.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Now you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFIM.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Coming up after two o'clock. There are two stories over
the weekend with similar themes. One about Santa Monica going broke,
and the Los Angeles Times did a long story.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
On how it got there.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
There was one word missing, one concept missing from the story,
which is the most important reason, and it was not
in there.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I even did a word check and I couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And the second story is about Los Angeles restaurants in trouble,
and again the most important reason not covered. You can
guess it's fascinating. The LA Times of the New York
Times will not publicly admit the overwhelming reason that Santa
(28:56):
Monica is going bust and why LA restaurants are closing,
like you know, another virus has been released. Unbelievable. They're
such liars. We'll get to that right after Dever's news.
I only got a man in it. I just just
one more thought. Because he spent an hour partly on
(29:19):
the lack of security that Charlie Kirk had and partly on.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
This this assassin.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Tyler Robinson and his transitioning partner, and the transitioning partner
is a furry, and Robinson might have been involved in furriness,
and that that's dressing up his animals.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
There's a huge sexual component.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's an online All this stuff comes out of online culture.
I'm telling you, if you're a mom or a dad
and you've got a little kid, keep them away from
the Internet as long as you can be as strict
as you can be. This is such disgusting, perverted sewage
(30:02):
on the internet now and it and by the way,
being a good Christian doesn't cut it. These Mormon families
probably went by the book and taking their kids to
church and teaching them the commandments and godly values does
not cut It doesn't matter what you were like as
a parent, doesn't matter what your values are, doesn't matter
(30:23):
if you did everything right or everything wrong, if you
let your your kid online unlimited, no supervision.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
More and more of this is.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Happening, radicalized politics, bizarre sexual cults like furries I I
and it's just it's it's it's unbelievable. And that that
little thing that they walk around staring at all day
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in their hand, that stupid phone or their iPad or
their desktop or your desktop. That thing destroys brains. It's
a horrible, horrible infection that ruins your kids' personalities, gets
them obsessed with all kinds of incomprehensible nonsense. I don't
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have a solution for it except keep it away from
them as much as you can, as long as you can,
because the more they do other things, the much better
their minds will be and their emotional development just is
(31:40):
I didn't really have to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The generation will.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Deborah and I have kids about the same age, and
we just missed this.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I am so glad too.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I would not want to be a parent of kids
over the last ten twelve years who are just passing
out of elementary school through high school. All my god,
I can't believe what I'm seeing and reading. We'll be
talking a lot about this kind of stuff, I think,
for quite a while, because there's a whole generation that's
had their minds destroyed by this nonsense. Let's go to
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