Ep. 795: Exploding Deer, Counting Elk, and MeatTheater | MeatEater Radio Live! - The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia met
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
You nailed it.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
We're live from Media HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall,
joined today by my dear friends and colleagues, mister Corey Calkins,
mister Seth Morris. Howdy, folks, We've got a great show
for you today. We're gonna be talking to Franz Inglefinger
and elk researcher with Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks. We've
got an interview with Derek de Munn, who shot an

(01:05):
exploding deer. More on that in a bit. We've got
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We're all really excited about it.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah.

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Let's scroll through them this morning.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's going to be tough to pick a winner.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
But fellas, I'm happy to have you here today on
another Thursday. Happy to be here, but just wondering what
you've been up to recently. This is the part of
the show where we discuss our what we've been up
to casually.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I kind of can't chat.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
I can't really function mentally until I kill a deer
m And that's where I'm at right now.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh, this should be a good show, Yeah, Cory.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, I killed an elk last week, which I'm pretty
tickled about. Full so now it's time for me to
go deer hunting.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
That was a weird, weird bowl.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, he's funky. He's got five on one side and
then just a big black club that hangs down on
the other. I think his mother kicked him when he
dropped out of her womb.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And he's got like a real tall time on that
side as well, don't want.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
To call it.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
His brow tie sticks up very strangely up and then
the main beam just goes straight down and it's all
black from just the blood gravity falling out. Man, he's cool,
that's cool. He's a snowflake, very unique. Yeah, and he
tastes so good and eating him up last couple of nights.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, he was, he young, I'd say it was four. Yeah,
I had to guess.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
I'd ever asked him.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Milk is like chewing on a damn boot.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Oh no, really, I don't know why, but my goodness,
you got to get out the meat mallet if you
want to do any sort of steak.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I did a little freezer filling of my own last
night night last night.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, you didn't tell us about this.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Right before I went to work, our rooster was pecking
one of our other chickens to death, so I put
her in solitary confinement to let the wound heal up.
I see what was going and went home last night
and stuck a stuck a little poultry in the freezer.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah that's great. I'd love to hear that.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, and we had a better rooster that I really liked,
and then Snort killed that rooster. And then when Snort
killed that rooster, this impostor took his throat and learned
to crow and do all the rooster things. But I've
never really felt any affection towards him.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, he didn't earn.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It, he didn't. He didn't. The other one was like
this beautiful red rooster, and Snort killed it unceremoniously. But
no one's upset about that. But yeah, so that was
that's the excitement over at our house.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Cal offered to replace the poultry population after that or now.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, yeah, we got three other chickens because his mom
was moving. Yeah, and so she gave us three of
her chickens. It just happened time. The timing coincided with
the untimely death of our rooster. And uh yeah, one
of one of Cal's mom's chickens was the one that
the the impostor, the heir to the throne was pecking
at so so now it's it's almost like another coup

(05:44):
because these outside chickens have now dethroned the master rooster.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I don't know anything about how any of this works, but.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
All you know is that that rooster had to be
in the freezer.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yep, yep. So now we've got two roosters in the freezer.
Cal did the cal did a fine job with the
first one as penance for his dog's sins. So yeah,
a lot of fun, Phil. What's going on with you lately?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Oh? Goodness, you do? You really do not want to know?

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Because the most exciting thing that's happened to me in
the last few days that I beat Act three of
a video game called Hollow Night Silk Song. It's just
got the secret ending, which is very important to those
who know what's what's the internet parlots?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Is it I y k y k.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh Hollow Night Silks, Hollow Night Colon Silk Song.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
It's a sequel to a video game called Hollow Night,
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I'm just trying to think of. Is it like an
Ocarina of Time type deal?

Speaker 6 (06:40):
You do acquire items that allow you to progress to
new areas much like a Zelda game, so you're not
on the wrong track. It's called the genre is called
the metroid Vania because it's a games like the Metroid series.
In the Castle Vania series, they kind of made a
portmanteau of that.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm going to dig us out of this hole.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Phil.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
You play as a character called and you're protecting the
bug kingdom of far Loom.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
You want to keep Should I keep going?

Speaker 7 (07:05):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I was going to say, have we talked yet about
are you eating a deer at your house? Has come up?
It has not.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
No.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
My son, my twelve year old son, shot a deer
before I did, and we have a freezer full of
full of mule deer right now.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Speaking of family coups and impostors to the throne.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
It says a lot about me that you asked how
I was doing it. Instead of saying, oh my god,
I'm so proud of my son who shot his first
mule deer, I said, I completed a very difficult video game.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, yes, no, but that's exciting. That's exciting.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
It is.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
It's been It's been a lot of fun because we
also signed up for this farm seat CSA and from
this farm that's less than a mile down the road
from our house. So we've been making a lot of
meals with fresh ingredients, fresh ingredients and and harvested deer.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's been great.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
How's he He's a couple of weeks out, now, how's he?
Is he ready for next fall?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Is he?

Speaker 6 (07:57):
He seemed kind of just nonplussed about the whole thing, like, yeah,
I did it, what's the big deal? But now this
was his last year of being able to do it
as like an apprentice. So he's gonna have to go
through hunter safety next year. And well, I'll see if
he has the motivation for that. But he loves going
out on on on Grandpa's Grandpa's ranch and and trekking

(08:18):
about and looking for animals.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
So I think I think he'll do it. He'll go
through the process.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Hopefully he won't get to the point like Seth is
where his brain won't function until he can kill a
big buck, because it's important to keep some perspect.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Okay, yeah, maybe I'll maybe I'll pull it back then.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, just have a little shortage, too bad? Well should
we should? We move on to our first guest today,
Let's do it?

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Do it today?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
We are joined by Montana Fish Wildlife in Parks Kalispell
Area wildlife biologist Franz engle Finger. Franz oversees wildlife monitoring
across some of the most remote terrain in the lower
forty eight, including an ongoing elk research project in the
Bob Marshall Wilderness. Franz, thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
Thank it's great to be here. Thank you for making
the time to talk to me and hear about some
of the work we're doing up in northwest Montana.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, we're excited to hear about it.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Hey, Franz, Corey here. When you hear about elk in Montana,
most conversations focus on areas where herds have an air
quoting over objective population. But Region One in northwest Montana,
where I was born and bred is home, which is
also home to a sixth of Montana's public land, which
should be an eye opener to a lot of folks.

(09:33):
Region one faces a very different set of challenges. Franz.
Can you lay out what makes elk management west of
the Continental Divide unique compared to the rest of the
state of Montana.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Yeah, sure, Corey. I think first off, one of the
unique things is in Region one. We have an opportunity
to grow elk on public land, and I think some
of the things that make Region one unique is a
abundant access. Like you talked about, we have over five
hundred million acres of public life and as well as
an additional half a million acres of private land enrolled
at our bark management programs, So a lot of opportunity

(10:07):
to get out of the woods and have a great hunt.
Region one is also in northwest Montana forested, which makes
hunting complicated. I think a lot of people come up
here for the first time and they're like, didn't think
we have so many trees, and so that changes how
you can hunt. It also changes, you know, as biologists,
how we can survey our populations and monarch or kren.
You know, flying and during aerial surveys is really only

(10:30):
effective where you can see to the you know, through
the canopy or where there no trees, and so we
have very few districts where we can actually you know,
do aerial surveys. And then finally, you know, with so
much the landscape forested, our changes in our elk populations
are closely tied to changes in our forest cover, and
so when you look at you know, history of forest

(10:51):
extraction Montana where you had a big boom from about
the you know fifties through the nineties and then are
real drop off after that. You you know, some of
those you know, timber cuts that really provide a great
habitat from a number of our ungulates have played out
at this point. So you can't talk about you know,
changes in onion population without talking about forest management, force fire.

(11:12):
And then finally, you know, Region one we're also known for,
you know, our recovered carnivore populations. We have healthy populations
of wolves, bears, lions, and so that's also in the mix.
Region one, you know, great white tail deer hunting. Twenty
percent of the state's harvest comes from northwest Montana. Good
black bear hunting as well, Neil dear, you know, we

(11:33):
harvest about three percent of the state and for elk
it's about five percent of the overall state harvest. And
in Region one we kind of say, you know, we
force elk to be moose. We bury their groceries and
four feet to snow and make them eat shrumped. So
you know, no surprise. But again, you know, many some
of our hunting districts are under objective and again that's

(11:54):
where we have this opportunity to grow out on public land.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Well, speaking of populations, you work primarily in and around
the Great Bob Marshall Wilderness Complex, specifically up and around
the South Fork of the Flathead Drainage. What have historical
elk populations been like in that area and what are
today's most recent population estimates.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
Yeah, you know, the South Fork has a long history
of elk numbers and elk fluctuations. I think when I
think of the Bob Marshall and the South Fork, I
think of three herds you've got which all summer within
that South Fork drainage. You have but two of them
those that go over to the Sun River to the east,
and those that migrate south to the Blackwater Clearwater.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
They go.

Speaker 8 (12:37):
They're kind of our winter birds. They bug out in
the winter to better winter range conditions outside the Bob.
And so my research right now is focused on those
hardy souls that spend the entire winter or their entire
life cycle within the South Fork, and there they deal
with you know, deep snow and e got a living
on the valley bottom. And then those south and southwest

(12:59):
facing slopes in terms of the history of that population
that that winter in the South Fork. You know background
the start, you know, nineteen hundreds they first started to
document elk over wintering in the South Fork, and there
was a series of conditions, you know, fire, isolation, limited hunting,

(13:19):
and you know, also limited pressure from predators that allowed
that population to balloon such that by you know, the
late thirties, we saw high of over thirty eight hundred
elk in you know, wintering in the South Fork. Granted,
they were also becoming alarmed by the impact that these
elk are having on range conditions. But again, you know,

(13:42):
back then, you know, things blew up and it made
for some of the best hunting in the country. You know,
the Bob Marsha Wilderness is isolated, it's rugged, it's beautiful,
and elk numbers like that really supported a you know,
wonderful hunting opportunity. Things have changed, several things have conspired
that today, over the last twenty years, we've seen numbers decline. Now,

(14:05):
when I give you population estimates from the thirties, those
are estimates based on on winter track counts and walking
boots on the ground in the winter. And then when
I talk about you know, our estimates stays. It's not
so much estimates as they are minimum counts. These are
the number of animals I see when I fly, and
so so it's sort of an orange as and apples comparison.

(14:26):
But what I will say is it appears that we
are you know, at loas we haven't seen in decades.
And you know, although it's orange and apples comparison, there's
certainly less fruit on the table.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Well with that, what steps is FWP taking to understand
what's driving this decline and in turn support the long
term herd health of these elk?

Speaker 8 (14:48):
Sure, I think, you know, this comes down to the
question of, you know, what drives population change or elk populations?
And you know, I tend to think of, you know,
elk kind of the middle. There's ordered on the bottom
by forged production and little pressure on the top from predation.
It's this question of, you know, is it bottom up
processes habitat and forge or predators that are limiting populations?

(15:12):
And I kind of like to think of, you know,
elk sitting around the table playing a friendly game of poker,
and every season is a you know, is a hand
and I know that you know, habitat conditions forge production
that will moderate all things. And so if you know
you have a wet spring and you got good forge production,
that's like getting Delta a sixth or seventh card. But

(15:34):
if you got drought, uh, you know, fire that whips
through your rental range, maybe you're playing with only four
three cards, and then if you have a big, big snowstorm,
you just fold. So you know, every season it changes.
But again, habitat is a big player that helps moderate
the other factors, namely climate and predation. In terms of
what you know FBP is doing. You know, we use

(15:55):
information research to inform and adapt our management. And so
in Northway, Montana, we've got a couple of different projects
going on. I'll briefly touch on one and then we'll
dive into the work we're doing in the South Fork.
So we have the NOx and Elk Study, which is
a comprehensive study looking at elk survival, sources of mortality, predation,

(16:17):
looking at forest management and how that affects forge quality
and production. And there they've got about one hundred and
fifty callers on cow Elk. They've got another one hundred
and fifty they put on Neo nates that you know
right after birth and tracking survival, tracking sources of mortality
that will help inform our management statewide and especially here
in northwest Montana. The work I'm doing, and we're going

(16:40):
to talk about today a little bit more in depth,
is coloring elk in the South Fork to try and
tease out some of the things that are causing that
decline and preventing that recovery of elk in the South Fork.
So yeah, using resource to and form management.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
So this coloring project has got must have a lot
of specific details that you have to figure out. So
how are you capturing these elk? What are these callers
trying to measure? And what kind of data are you
hoping to collect from this study?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (17:14):
Thank you. Yeah, So we got two approaches to catching elk.
We can do aerial captures. That's with higher team that
comes in with a helicopter and darts and immobilizes elk
from the air and then goes on and slaps on
the collar. That we can do when we're outside the wilderness,
but wilderness designation provides with it some additional challenges. Our

(17:35):
other option for capturing elk. Can we do this both
in wilders? Outside is ground captures where we use clover
traps that are baited with alfalfa hay and there's a
trip wire. They're basically, you know, metal cages with netting
and we bait the elk in there and they set
off the trap, and then once they're in there, we've
got trapped transmitters that then tell us something's there and

(17:56):
we can go and collar them. What we have is
we GPS callers. These are callers you can program. They'll
give us you know, six to twelve locations a day,
and a tremendous amount of information you know, day night,
bad weather as well. And if our animals stop moving,

(18:16):
we get a mortality report. I get a text or
an email that says your animals down and it's here,
and I can go in very quickly. If I can
get there and start to look at some of the
factors and causes of that mortality. What we hope to
get out of this, you know, we have very limited
information about elk movement and vital rates within the South Fork,
so simple things like you know, adult survival, pregnancy rate,

(18:41):
some of the things that you know people thought might
be limiting. That's information we can tease out from this
limited study as well as some of those seasonal movements
and habitat selection. And again, all this is to help
us think about ways we can help this population recover.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Well, specifically the wilderness portion of this study and being
in an extremely remote setting. And correct me if I'm wrong.
You're trying to pull this off during the winter months.
It sounds like a logistical nightmare. So what are some
of the key challenges of this project and also what
keeps your team motivated to keep pushing on?

Speaker 8 (19:18):
Sure? Sure, I think you know, to be clear, you know,
the men and women I work with at f to BP,
they all work in remote settings doing you know, stuff
in rugged terrain. So what makes this unique is that
wilderness aspect. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention
some of our project supporters. You know, this project is
funded you know through Pittman, Robbins and Dolls these or

(19:40):
excise taxes on hook and bullets. So that's provided the
funding for the collaring and the helicopter captures. But it
was a grant from the Rocky Mountain out Foundation that
allowed us to actually extend this work into the wilderness.
And so what we need is, you know, they helped
pay for aluminum traps that are portable enough that we
could pack them in. Then of course partnering with the

(20:01):
US four Service, they have crews that go there in
this area and the winner to do snow surveys. They've
got the technical skills as well as you know, they
wrapped their head around working remotely very well. So they've
been a critical partner as well. But again in terms
of some of the challenges, you know, access for sure,
we're talking it's a two day to three day ski
and at a minimum, and it depends on conditions. Last

(20:24):
year when we went in, you know, it took my
crew about eight hours to get up over Gordon Pass.
The next crew that was coming in or relieve us,
they got hit by snow. It took them over thirteen
hours and they were getting to the halfway point at
about you know, nine pm at night in the dark.
So access is a challenging and that makes also planning difficult.

(20:44):
You know, if I forget something, I'm not running out
to the truck. We got to make do. If we
have you know, a binding break like we did last year,
you got a kind of a guiver, a fix and
so you know, there's that challenge as well. Physical demands,
you know, like I said that, you know, traveling in snow,
just you know, keeping your body fed. I lost ten

(21:07):
pounds and I don't have ten pounds to lose. We
were eating you know, candy, you know, we were you know,
breakfast sandwiches cooked and bacon soaked in bacon Greece, and
you know, I just couldn't put on enough calories. And
then obviously the environment. We saw temperatures from you know,
fifty degrees to negative thirty and I have a frame

(21:29):
of reference of what you know, negative twenty is, but
you get down to negative thirty and it's just like,
you know, that's new.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Everything's hard.

Speaker 8 (21:37):
Oh yeah, sounds like an adventure. Yeah it was, you know,
it was an adventure. It was also you know, you know,
hard work, and I think important work. And you ask,
kind of what what keeps me motivated? I think two things.
One is, you know, I feel indebted to the sportsmen
and sports women here that you know, enjoy the Bob Marshall,
you know, care about our unguar populations or game populations,

(21:59):
wildlife in general, Curious, you know what's going on. You know,
I feel like we owe them, you know, an answer
at least to try and find an answer. And then
I think the other thing that keeps to be motivated is,
you know, biologists that came before me, that did a
lot of work to get some of the information we have.
We had you know, back in the seventies, eighties, nineties,
there are a few colloring studies where you know, they

(22:19):
go out, they slap these callers on, but then they'd
have to go to get locations. They'd have to fly
and use VHF radios to triangulate. So took on an
immense amount of effort as well as risk to get
those those locations. I can sit now at my desk,
I don't but I can sit you know, back and
every morning sip a cup of coffee and see, you know,
what my elkor doing. And I can get a tremendous

(22:41):
amount of information from these callers, and I feel sort
of you know, you know that it's important for me
to put the effort into trying and getting them out.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Fascinating.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Well, for people who want to learn and follow along
as the study progresses, where can they find updates or
learn more or about your work?

Speaker 8 (23:01):
Yeah, FMVP has some you know, Fishwife and process has
some great resources. The first off is every year we
put out an annual ELK report that looks at harvest
throughout the region. You can just google you know, FWP
R one ELK Report and you'll see that that's a
great resource. But in terms of the research we do,
you can also just google FWP ELK Research and that

(23:22):
will bring you to our research page. We also have
that from mule there and other species, but FP ELK
Research and you will see, you know, project annual reports
and summaries for just about every project we're doing, and
when I get to it, you'll have one for this
one too, So that's where information will affair great.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, I could talk about this all day, just as
somebody who grew up and used to live and work
in the in the wilderness. But thanks for your time
and giving us just a glimpse into your work. Research
like this plays a huge role in how Montana manages wildlife,
and we appreciate all your hard work, dangerous work that
you guys are doing to try and wrap your heads
around what's going on up there. So we thank you

(24:02):
for that.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
Oh, thank you. Corey Randal Seth, I really appreciate you
having me on and yeah, it's been fun.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Thank you, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I do have one more really important question, maybe the
most important Cats or Grizz this Saturday.

Speaker 8 (24:16):
Oh well, my son's down and Bozeman, so go cats.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
For Cory.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
All right, well go Griz, go Griz.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Thanks Froz.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Take care man.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's that's wild stuff.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah sounds like fun.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh yeah, I know, it sounds sounds like a lot
of work.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Multi yeah, like a multi day ski trip. Is I
could count on like one hand the number of times
of skied in somewhere in camped and it's not not
not very I mean it's fun, but it's it's a
lot of work.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Just stressful being in ski boots for twenty four I
mean you sleep a little bit, you know. He was
saying how hard it is to get in there, a
couple of days worth of just skiing in. Imagine living
in ski boots for those who have ever slipped their
feet to them. They're not comfortable. Those guys are living
in them while they're back there.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, might make me cry.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, most of those people, most days a lot of tears, blood, sweat,
and tears.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Speaking of tears, now it's time for a new segment,
Meat Theater. Meat theater is the concept that we came
up yet with yesterday where we take outstanding hunting literature
and feed it into artificial intelligence and ask the AI

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to generate a short dramatic script to be performed live
by untrained actors. And as we're brainstorming for today's show,
we wanted to tie in the latest episode of Meat
Eater season thirteen, which, as we all know, captures Steve's
first African safari. And what better way to do that,
I thought, than perform a hasty stage adaptation of a
classic Ernest Hemingway's short story, The Short Happy Life of

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Francis Macomber, originally public in the September nineteen thirty sixth
issue of Cosmopolitan magazine. Guys, ready, oh manny, and we
did this, absol. We just did this once yesterday to
make sure that it wouldn't take ten minutes, and it didn't.
So let's give her a rip. Boys.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, not a lot of practice went into this, so action.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber on Nice Lights Phille,
scene one after the Lion.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Oh no, that's the wrong one. I'm already screwing this up.
Here we go, We're live.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
It is late afternoon at a hunting camp in Africa.
Francis Macomber has just run like a coward from a
wounded lion.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
His wife watched it all happen. So did their pH
Robert Wilson. No one has spoken directly of it, but
everyone knows.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
How is your drink, mister Wilson?

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Fine, just fine.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
We got that lion eventually, though, didn't we Yes, we did.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
We got him. How interesting, Margo. I I'm going to
clean up before dinner. You were lovely today, Darling, really
impressive stuff.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
At the moment, Margo turns her back on her husband
and walks away.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
I bolted. I just bolted like a scared little boy.
I've never done anything like that before.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
It happens to everyone at some point.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Does it happen to you? Oh? Hold on, Oh that's
double sided, paid, double pain.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
No, she saw it all. She'll never let me forget it.
Women are difficult in these situations. Can we go out tomorrow,
go after something else? I need to I need another chance.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Buffalo will go after buffalo in the morning.

Speaker 9 (27:58):
Yes, Buffalo, thank you, Thank you, Wilson, don't thank me yet.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
That night, Margot Macomber visited Wilson's tent. Francis knew. Wilson
knew that he knew, but nothing was said. In the
morning they would hunt buffalo seem to the buffalo.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Morning the hunt begins. Well, Francis shoots three buffalo for
the first time in his life. He is not afraid.
He feels it that thing he had never felt before.
Perhaps this is what courage.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Is good shooting Macomber, damn good?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Did you see? Did you see them drop?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yes? I saw.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I wasn't afraid, not at all. I felt God, Wilson,
I felt alive. You shot magnificently. Did you see, Margot?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I saw.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Wilson.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Wilson.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
One of them's just one.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Of them's just wounded. We'll have to go in after him.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Good, let's go the bush.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
A wounded buff in the bush is one of the
most dangerous.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I don't care. I'm not afraid anymore. Can you understand
that I'm no longer afraid? Is it safe? Oh?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Nothing's safe, But we have to finish him.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Then let's finish him. Margo stay here with the gun.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Bear.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
We'll be back and there it was.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
Francis Macomber had crossed over just thirty minutes ago. He
had been a boy and now he was a man.
His wife knew it, Wilson knew it, and Macomber himself
knew it. Most of all, he was happy, perhaps for
the first time in his life.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
There he is twelve yards away.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I see him.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Christ, Oh no, the cap guns knock going off, It
went off. We got it, do that, Linergain Corey quickly
Christ Francis, Oh god, Francis, is he He's dead.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
The bullet hit him in the back of the head.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I tried to hit the buffalo. I had to shoot.
It was an accident, of course it was. I thought
I could kill the buffalo. You saw I was charging.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
That's right, the buffalo was charging.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Oh God, oh god.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
You were afraid, weren't you? What just now, just these
last thirty minutes, you were afraid of him for the
first time.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I don't know what you mean.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
No, I don't suppose you do.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Scene three, epilogue.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
They said it was an accident, of course, a tragic
accident during a buffalo hunt. These things happen in Africa.
Missus Macomber was distraught naturally, she had tried to save
her husband from the charging animal. No one could blame
her for what happened. Robert Wilson knew he had seen
that look in her eyes when Francis Macomber stopped being afraid,

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when he became, for perhaps the first time and last
time in his life, a man she could not control,
a man she did not recognize. Francis Macomber lived thirty
five years, but he was truly alive for only thirty minutes.
In those thirty minutes, he was happy, and perhaps that

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is longer than most men ever manage. The short, happy
life of Francis Macomber. Emphasis on short, emphasis on happy,
make of it what you will.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
End of play. Audience goes nuts.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Do we still have viewers?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Phil Or Pill dropped out the last year?

Speaker 6 (32:09):
I think, I mean, I think we're at peak viewerships, so.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Man, we locked them in.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Wow, lights are back on. Thanks for the stage lights, Phil.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, of course, there's dried leaves everywhere back here.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
That filled seven minutes.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I thought the computer did a really nice job with
that script. I added a few touches this morning to
make things clearer. I thought it left a little too
much up to suggestion and innuendo. But I really liked
what the computer did with that.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
Yeah, the power that it took for the AI to
to create that. It only drained late Lake Mead like
a couple of inches, So wow.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, and I think it was worth Hopefully Hemingway is
not rolling over in his grave and catching Idaho directly
across from the old first Light AGEQ.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
We have forty five new live chat comments that I'm
too scared to look at.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, Phil, Unfortunately, it's time to take a break for some.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
Well, I haven't read the new one, so let's just
look at the old ones that I've seen. Let's see
here this is you know, it's almost Thanksgiving and we
have more news about next Thursday's show that Randall will
talk about at the end of the show. But Kenneth
would like to know favorite turkey preps smoked, fried, or
oven baked.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Man, you can't beat a fried turkey.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Fried's pretty good. I'm usually a traditional oven baked guy.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, just the oven roast, Brian, and oven roast, Yeah,
got it, Brian. I feel like the taste of a
smoked or fried turkey is soured by how often people
like to talk about how good they are.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's true, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I don't think there's anything wrong with the good old
fashioned turkey.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Nothing's wrong with it. Just the last couple of years
I've Brian and Fried and it's hard to beat that
crispy skin. It's it's not easy though. Yeah, a lot
of accidents can happen.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
A lot of house dangerous. Be careful out there, careful,
thanks Againings coming up? Never bad idea to refresh yourself
on fire safety. Make sure those extinguishers are where they
should be, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Don't fright in your garage.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's for Rick Huttons. He'll tell you all about fires.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
I'm going to bring this up live just to hold
everyone responsible accountable. Mogre says that he still hasn't received
any news about his cookbooks. So oh so me, Jake Corey, whoever,
we need to get this man his cookbooks.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I don't have the backstore on this. Do we owe him?

Speaker 6 (34:36):
We owe won a silly what was it like, like
sort of a caption contest thing, I don't remember what,
but Brody picked him as one of the winners. And
this is embarrassing to receive he's supposed to receive signed cookbooks.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
As much as I want to get his cookbooks, I
think we should have swept this under the rug.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
We did that.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
We did that a couple of weeks ago. I refuse.
I respect the man too much.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
You'll get those.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Cookbooks if I have to fly over to Hungary myself
and deliver them.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Morgar, just to put water under the fridge here, I
am replying to your email with the tracking number of
your cookbooks.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Oh that's some CS right there. Wonderful there. Hopefully that
clears everything up.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Apologies, Mogor.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Let's see holiday hunting traditions on either Christmas or Thanksgiving.
What do you guys do if anything? Hmm, that's from Trey.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
We don't have traditions. We'll probably go out this Thanksgiving
morning to shoot a Sydney still looking for a deer.
And yeah, shot my first bowl the day after Thanksgiving.
I actually don't really like how many people are in
the woods around Thanksgiving. Not not that it's a bad thing,
but for my own enjoyment.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Event, it's a big tradition.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I feel like around Montana people just go out in
huge numbers right around Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Yeah, yeah, usually if I'm in Montana for Thanksgiving, I
usually do some sort of hunt Thanksgiving Day or yeah,
Thanksgiving Day morning, whether it's like a dough hunt or
upland hunt or something.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
But this year I'm going.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
To be back in Pennsylvania and the rifle season opens
the Saturday after Thanksgiving there. Oh, so it's like Thanksgiving,
then Friday, go to deer camp, and then Saturday wake
up in deer hunt.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Beautiful.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, all lined up.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Right on. This is sort of a call to action.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
This is from Ben and I was unaware of this,
mostly because I edit Cal's podcast and I don't think
he's talked about it, but he probably will on Monday's podcast.
But Ben says, any of my fellow Wisconsin nights in
the chat, please be sure and call email your reps
for the Sandhill crane hunting bill. Apparently there were lots
of opponents at the public hearing yesterday, and I looked

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it up and apparently in twenty ten there was a
management plan developed by the Mississippi and Atlantic Flyway Councils
that would call for a potential crane hunt once numbers
exceeded aroun between thirty eight thousand and sixty thousand birds,
and estimates are now in the one hundred thousand range.
So get out there, Wisconsin. I let them know that
you want a sand Hill crane hunt.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Nobody's gonna stand up and advocate for hunting seasons if
hunters themselves don't do it. So get out there, gang.
Thank you Ben for bringing this to our attention.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
I haven't looked at all the comments regarding meat theater yet,
but this is from Afro Man. I don't know about this.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Boys. What happened to one minute fishing?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
It's a fair point.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'll be honest.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
I'm sure this is the only negative one and all
the other ones to be honest, mister man.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
We we're well aware that this would be a polarizing segment.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Adam says, is it safe to return yet? Yes, Adam,
we're now in the listener feedback section. If you dipped out,
please come back. But Derek says, it's going to be
nominated for an Emmy, So I'm excited to put that on.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I'll take yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I mean, even if we don't win an award, I
hope it inspires some audience members to go out and
read the sh short Happy Life of Francis Macomber. It's
a great story if you like gunshot accidents or maybe
not accidents, cuckolded marriages, and uh hunting in Africa. So

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highly recommend some of Hemingway's finest work.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
Dan is asking what the weirdest thing you guys have
ever found inside a critter is.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Brodheads.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah. I shot a bowl one time that had a
broadhead that had gone through the the spinal what the
the little bow of the ridge that goes along the spine,
and it had it had gone through and then lodged
in the opposite side backstrap poking out. So when I
was cutting down, my knife hit the like where you

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had threaded onto the shaft, into the shaft.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I shot a turkey to spring the head an air
rifle pellet in it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Really, I we ate rabbit. And I can say this
because the restaurant's closed. Fabulous restaurant and missula and we
got a rabbit that had an air rifle pellet in
it at the restaurant.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Really yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And we called the restaurant and they were like, these
are raised in the bitter it like in an open not.
I mean, it was not like open range, but they're
like some kid might have driven by and plunked one.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Geez.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
So wow, Corey weird stuff and animals.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Let's see. I had a client catch a cutthroat that
had a snake coming out of its anus. I believe
it was a garter snake. I couldn't help myself and
I pulled it out still and it just kept coming.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Was it digested like it had gone in the front
end or was it still thrashing around like it had
gone in the back end.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
The snake was dead. Fish was very much alive, but
it was the tail of the snake was already coming
out of the fish, so I just couldn't help him
pull out.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
He was still hungry too. Phil still playing with the
cat gun over there. I think the critics Phil just
ad the cap gun. I think the critics of that
performance should know that Phil brought in a cap gun
that would have really added a lot of rial.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, the gunshots would have been far more realistic had
the cap gun functioned. And also Phil, in practicing for
his match strike. When Wilson lights his cigarette, Phil burned
one of the microphones in the studio.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
I also didn't I didn't hold the match close enough
to the mic, so it wasn't as impactful to it again.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh yeah, that sounds good. Anything else in the chat there, Phil.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I think we can move on and tackle things
at the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Alrighty, are is it a Christmas ornament?

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Christmas ornament? Anybody were supposed to talk?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Shameless plug?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
We kind of are.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
It's hanging right here, yeah at the media dot Com.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Our next guest today is Derek Dumont, a hunter, photographer
and the host of the th eight Outdoors podcast. You
might know him from the viral video where a routine
deer hunt turns surreal after his bullet hit a collar
deer and made the collar explode on impact. What Yeah, Derek,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (41:11):
Hey guys, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
So for folks who may not know you yet, can
you give us a little background on your story.

Speaker 10 (41:20):
Yeah, my name is Derek. I'm a T eight paraplegic.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
All right.

Speaker 10 (41:25):
It's out in Utah on a c W m U hunt.

Speaker 11 (41:30):
That's a that's a tag that they get out in
Utah for landowners who have more than like five thousand
acres get some tax revenue.

Speaker 10 (41:37):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 11 (41:38):
But yeah, it was a a couple day hunt, and
we're going for known giants in the area, so we're
going for a giant. But yeah, I didn't expect.

Speaker 10 (41:53):
The smallest deer I've ever shot to be the most
popular deer I've ever shot.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
So tell us about We're gonna pull up the video
here in a second, but tell us about how as
you mentioned your paraplegic, how how are you hunting, what's
the what's sort of the style or sort of adaptive
equipment that you used to hunt?

Speaker 11 (42:15):
So on I'll hear in my local mountains, I like
to mountain bike and we'll strap a little made a
little mcguivert a trailer and we'll I'll throw gear and
stuff on the trailer and me and a buddy will
smash out on the mountain bikes and and get get
as deep as we can.

Speaker 10 (42:35):
Either that and I got one of those action track chairs.

Speaker 11 (42:38):
It's uh it's those wheelchair that looks like a tank
and uh so those work.

Speaker 10 (42:45):
Those work well, although the battery dies pretty quick and you.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
Want to get stuck up on the back country with
a yeah, five pound wheelchair.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, that's that's not ideal, not at all.

Speaker 10 (42:58):
But on this particular, I was able to.

Speaker 11 (43:01):
So since I'm a paraplegic and I'm in a wheelchair,
I have a license through the State of Utah DNR
to hunt from a vehicle, any four wheel drive vehicle.
So so that's where this hunt was able to.

Speaker 10 (43:14):
So you accomplished.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
So you guys are out looking for deer in the
morning and you're you're hunting from the vehicle. What did
this deer? Did you know it had a collar on?
I mean to just sort of walk us through like
what you were thinking up until the moment of the shot.

Speaker 11 (43:31):
Okay, So it was actually the very last day, last
afternoon of the hunt, so it was, and there was
probably twenty minutes.

Speaker 10 (43:38):
Of legal shooting and light left.

Speaker 11 (43:40):
We're driving back down the lodge and at this point
I just told the landowner was that he was driving.
I was like, hey, you know, anything with antlers, I
would like to at least put some of me in
the freezer because I was like taking my old man
on hunts with me, So just anything we could munch on.
But when we're coming coming around the corner and it's

(44:03):
absolutely pouring rain, you can't really can't hear it in
the in the video that I posted just microphone wise
wasn't working out well.

Speaker 10 (44:12):
But coming around the corner and this.

Speaker 11 (44:15):
Little fork he just pops up out of his bed
and is staring at us. Because, like I said, it
was pouring rain and we weren't expecting to see anything.
So this guy popped up and then just staring at us,
probably is probably about ten yards off the road, and
land landowners like here's your chance. I was like, all right, cool,
got got my rifle set up and he had he

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had glass on it, he had his binos on it.
And I got into the optic. I was like, it's
got a collar. He's like, it's all good. You can,
you know, take it that well. And so he wanted
me to shoot it where the neck meets the body,
since it.

Speaker 10 (44:50):
Was raining so hard the you know.

Speaker 11 (44:53):
If you would have hit it somewhere else, the blood
trail would have probably been washed away pretty fast.

Speaker 10 (44:58):
It was rain rain really hard that day.

Speaker 11 (45:01):
So I aimed right where the neck meets the meets
the chest, right there in the brisket area. Saw the collar,
aim underneath of it, and I hit the lithium battery
on the collar and and yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, let's let's let the video.

Speaker 10 (45:22):
Explosion, I thought the deer went sky high.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
And there's phil can you pull off that video?

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
And I told Derek before we got started, like I
someone set this to us and said, have you seen
this video of a deer exploding when the collar gets hit?
And I thought, Oh, we're gonna get like a little sizzle,
you know, or like a couple of sparks. But the
video is, uh is something let's see here the yeah getting.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Set out of the shot takes aim.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Kaboom and it's it's like a yeah. I mean for
folks that aren't listening are watching, excuse me, for the
folks who are listening and not watching, Yeah, it looks
like a tannerite went off. So Derek, what, what's the
first thing in your mind?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
That?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I mean, it's crazy. So you pull the trigger and
there's one big boom and then another big boom. What's
the first thing goes through your mind?

Speaker 10 (46:27):
Well?

Speaker 11 (46:28):
It was funny because there was there was a good
fifteen seconds of silence in the truck, like we all
just sat there.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
And just stared at the fifteen foot tall.

Speaker 11 (46:38):
Pile of smoke, and we all just literally just sat
there and I was like, uh, they and the deer
you guys got out here, you know, and the landowners
like I've been hunting my land for fifty years and
I have never ever seen that, and we're Yeah, it
was just mind blowing and wasn't expecting it.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
And honestly, going going up to.

Speaker 11 (47:03):
The deer, I thought there was gonna be a lot
of damage, but there was absolutely no damage to the deer.
It was literally just the battery exploded and you could
see where my bullet went through. The went through the neck,
dropped it right and it's right in its.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Track, So yeah, you'd hope so with that impact.

Speaker 11 (47:20):
Yeah, right, there was a shooting a two forty three
and it hit the hit that battery and it's crazy.
You could slow it down and there's a giant flash
of light, sparks flying ten fifteen feet in the air,
and then that smoke got a good fifteen twenty feet
in then wow up in the forest there.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
So Derek, we got a question from Seth who asked
how far did it run after that?

Speaker 10 (47:44):
About two inches? Luckily it was a clean ethical shots,
so he dropped right right.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, no, uh, no blood trailing needed. Did did wildlife fit?
I mean, you so you posted this on your Instagram
channel and or on your Instagram feed and then it
went viral. Can you tell us like, did wildlife officials
reach out to it all or what was sort of
the reaction that you got after you posted this.

Speaker 11 (48:13):
So we were driving down to the lodge when this happened.
Before we got to the lodge, after we threw the
deer in the truck, we were already on the phone
with Utah DNR and and they congratulated me. They said,
you know, great shock, congratulations. And they asked what condition
the parlor was in and it you know, we explained

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it and they're like, oh, you go ahead, keep the caller.
It's no of use to us. And they even emailed
me the migration charts.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Oh cool, so nice.

Speaker 11 (48:44):
I got to see the summer range, its winter range,
and its year round range, and that deer specifically migrates
twenty one miles round trip from its summer round to
the winter grounds.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
That's amazing.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
It was pretty cool of that deer put on some miles.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, whenever I shoot a deer, I always like wonder
what it's individual story is, and it's like you're never
going to get the chance to know that unless it's
like this as an exploding collar, unless that's an exploding collar. Yeah,
so is that gonna go on the Uh You're gonna
do a euro mount and hang the collar on it
or what's the plan there?

Speaker 10 (49:23):
I have a euro amount and I have the collar
hanging hanging from it.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 10 (49:28):
So, it was it was cool.

Speaker 11 (49:29):
I got, you know, and you asked about like the
like what people said about it afterwards.

Speaker 10 (49:34):
But I got a.

Speaker 11 (49:36):
Lot of people, you know, people who don't read the
captions because I listed what happened in the entire hunt,
why I was shooting from a vehicle, right, why it
exploded x y Z. Because they got a lot of
hate from shooting from a vehicle, But people didn't you know,
special situation.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah, Derek, I know you use your platform to
advocate for hunters with disabilities, and it's an important message
and I think which you just brought up there, like
there's a lot of you know, ignorance out there, not
only in the hunting community but outside of the hunting
community about folks getting outdoors in different ways. Can you

(50:13):
can you share some of your like advocacy message with
with our audience and kind of what what would you
want other hunters to understand about what it takes to
get you know, for example, a paraplegic like yourself outside.

Speaker 11 (50:28):
Yeah, it's you know, every every state out there offers a.

Speaker 10 (50:34):
Shoot from a vehicle.

Speaker 11 (50:35):
It doesn't have to be a car, could be any
any wheeled vehicle from the road.

Speaker 10 (50:41):
You can go out, you can get those.

Speaker 11 (50:44):
It's you know, it's tough like I wasn't I wasn't
born paraplegic. You know, I got got into a bad
accident and just just trying to fill the freezer like
anybody else, you know, and players there's a lot less
of us in this position. Then people tend to think
people tend to think, oh, you know, I don't know,

(51:05):
shooting from a car does get abused by a lot
of people. But in reality, like there's no really other
way to do certain types of hunts, Like I still
like to hop hop in the blind you know, choke points.

Speaker 10 (51:19):
Food plots, water sources, all that that. That's a lot funner.

Speaker 11 (51:22):
But sometimes when you're hunting big steep, rugged mountain terrain,
you know, you're obviously not gonna.

Speaker 10 (51:27):
Be rolling your wheelchair through that. So yeah, hopping hopping
in a sideby or a car.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Really, yes, so maybe it really helps, you know.

Speaker 10 (51:35):
I'm just trying to feel a freezer.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
If folks see someone shooting from a vehicle, don't rush
to judgment about who's doing that and why, right.

Speaker 10 (51:48):
Exactly.

Speaker 11 (51:48):
Yeah, some some disabilities are super visible, you know, and
some aren't. If you see me rolling down the street,
like this guy's in a wheelchair, you know. But there's
a lot of there's a lot of disabilities out there
that you can apply for a shoot from a vehicle
car that you you couldn't tell just by looking at somebody,

(52:09):
you know, you have to dive deep into their.

Speaker 10 (52:11):
Story, hear what they're all about. So yeah, just don't
rest rush to judgment.

Speaker 11 (52:17):
We're all out here just trying to feed our families.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, Derek, if folks want to hear more about your
story and learn more about your work, where can they
find you?

Speaker 10 (52:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (52:30):
So my I do a lot of video logging about
my hunts and stuff on Instagram the T eight Underscore Outdoorsmen,
and it's the same for a YouTube channel, T eight
Underscore Outdoorsmen.

Speaker 10 (52:43):
And if anyone has a.

Speaker 11 (52:45):
Chance to hop on or would like to listen to
th eight outdoors podcast, the podcast I started for people
with disabilities to go out there and hunt and just
their extraordinary stories and how differently logistics apply to their
certain hunts about I got buddies and shooting big ol'
l dragging them out with chairs and so just yeah,

(53:09):
if you hop on and give it a check out
and see what we have to do logistically, it'd be
cool just to bring awareness.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, well, Derek, thanks, thanks for sharing your story, thanks
for chatting with us, and uh appreciate the work you're doing.
And yeah, hopefully the next year you pull the trigger
and will be a little less uh eventful surprising.

Speaker 11 (53:30):
Yeah, it was the most popular forky there on the
internet for probably about two weeks.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Well, Derek, hope you're having a good fall, and uh
maybe we'll chat with you again here soon.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Appreciate you guys, Thank you, thank you Derek Man.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Every time I watch that video, it doesn't get old.
It still shocks me. It's still crazy. I encourage everybody,
if you're just listening, go either check this out on
YouTube or check out Derek since a grand page because
it's a wild wild This brings us to our next segment,
and that's a hot tip off.

Speaker 12 (54:13):
That's salty, That's salty.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Hot tip Off is where two listeners go head to
head with competing pieces of advice, and after we hear
each tip, we'll declare which one is better, and that
will be by Wheel.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
I mean, the audience will choose which I will throw
up a pole in the live chat after we watch
the hot tips.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yes, please, you don't mind, Phil, Please do that And
if you have a hot tip, take a one minute
video on your phone and email it to Radio at
the meat Eater dot com with the subject line hop
tip Off. This segment is brought to you buy our
good friends at Case Knives, handcrafting high quality knives since
eighteen eighty nine, and the winner of this showdown will
receive a Meat Eater branded case trapper knife at Uncle

(55:11):
Brent will be very pleased with that.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Uncle brand will like it.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
All right, Phil, let's hear this week's hot tips.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Ethan Hole.

Speaker 13 (55:25):
Hey, this is Ethan from Finalac Wisconsin, and my hot
tip is, as we all know, we need a lot
of room to do our cutting. A lot of times,
big cutting boards aren't cheap. So what we like to
do is we go down to the local home improvement store,

(55:45):
and for thirty dollars you can get a whole four
foot piece of scrap cutoff clearance, lamb and ade countertap.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
The worst great is a cutting.

Speaker 13 (55:54):
Board, and we have three of them, so we get
twelve feet of cutter space for cutting and butcher. So
for one hundred and twenty bucks, we have twelve whole
feet of basically cutting bar.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Thanks bye, nice Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Billy Shaw, Hey everybody. Billy here in Minnesota with a
hot tip for you. In response to Spencer's question about.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
The best type of gas tank to use, I've got
a better solution. Buy siphon hos anywhere on the internet
or maybe at a hardware store. It's got a check
field on this side. You put your fuel tank anywhere
above the fuel fill on your vehicle, put it in
the vehicle, and then you take this end and you
just ham it down like this, and that gets the

(56:45):
fuel flowing from the tank into your vehicle. This way,
if you don't have a fuel gage, you can look
inside and see how full it is, so you're not
gonna spill everywhere. If you're using a regular tank, there's
no leaking from the tank. And then when you're done,
you just pull up from the fuel tank and the
rest of it. Siphon's down into your vehicle. Much better

(57:06):
solution for filling things like sow and bills, four wheelers
inside by sides.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Mmmmm amen, very familiar with that device exactly. Yeah, good
thing to have in your truck.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Get one at Harbor Freight. I wonder if poll is live.
Get in there.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
I wonder if Chester knows Ethan from Fondlise. That's where
Chester's from.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Get out fd Man, a.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Lot of great hot tips coming. How many people possibly
live in Fondolac.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I don't know. I don't know what the population is.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Do you like the countertop trick?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I do. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
When we redid our counters, I saved two big sections
just for that very thing, So I do that.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
You know, it's funny when we redid our counters. When
we redid our counters, I saved all of the butcher block,
and I just cut it into weird shapes. I've got
a piece of butcher block with a with a barrel
of ice on it, so I can pull barrels and
stuff on my truckbed, and I can also put a
reloading I can put a press on there and reload

(58:08):
cases at the range if I'm doing some experimenting with
seating depth things like that. But I have all this
countertop just leaning up against the walls in my barn.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I just like that.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I mean, you could go to you don't even have
to go to home depot. You just go to like
the the home salvage store.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I like to find all my weird stuff.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
We did butcher block as well, and yeah, my leftover
chunk is a cutting board now.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yeah, I love any hot tip that involves recycling stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
Good.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, But I also feel like anything we can do
to get at big gas, can you know, fight the man,
fight the man and his few mitigating gas cans.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah, I like that. It's kind of tight.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
So I'm gonna give you another thirty seconds to get
these last votes and maybe you can sway sway the
tide here.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
How many votes total do we have? Phil?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Right now? We have eighty eight votes, but people watch, come.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
On, democracy is a right, yeah, even if you're driving,
get on it.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Embarrassing.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
This this is this does kind of match up with
the American electoral as far as population to people.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Who actually we're probably higher, yeah, probably performing, So you
take that back you guys are doing great. Let's give
it another five seconds and then we'll call it, because
that's how they do elections.

Speaker 8 (59:25):
Too close to Cole.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Sorry, that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Okay, pulls over. I was gonna say, I've the which
Steve has one of these now, but we first saw
it from the the guys that do some flying for
us when we mosse on.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Up in Alaska. But they have one of those siphoned
hoses with it in the middle of it. They have
a shut off valve.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Oh yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
When you know, when it gets full, they can just
hit that shut off valve.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
That's smart.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, which is like a hot tip. With fifteen percent
of the vote, the winner is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Ethan with the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Lamon at countertip.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Congrats. I also think my favorite part about Ethan's video
is just the inside of that shop oh yeah, or
barn or whatever it is. It's like that guy is
deadly serious about cutting up deer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
I mean, the folks in the in the Upper Midwest
take their shop serious.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I think good shop culture.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
They like to hang out in the shops, which I enjoy. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Ethan, uh we should he email email radio at the
Medeater dot com. Our producer will reach out email Ethan,
our producer will reach out to you and get you
that meat Eater branded case trapper knife. Congrats on your victory,
and uh, thanks for submitting your tip. And thanks to
our good friends at case Knives for sponsoring this week's

(01:00:53):
hot tip off. All right, Phil, let's get back in
the chat. See people saying.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
I've been I've been kind of absent from the chat
for a little bit. Oh knobs back here. Yeah, pil
Steve were here, he'd be acting the exact same way.
He'd talk about how he's already posted the job listing
looking for a podcast. But Randall, I think you're gonna
like this one. This is a question from Mason. I
need some gun selling advice. I am trying to sell

(01:01:22):
my grand prize twenty fifth anniversary Christensen's Arms travers in
three hundred win bag serial. You know o case here, Remember,
he says, He says it's been on gun Broker for
a while and I'm not getting much traction. I live
in northeast Ohio, Hey, and thought about shipping it to
a gun shop out west. Do you have anything to
add here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It's a good question. It's a good question. I would be.
I mean I'd get it on gun Broker. I don't
know what you'd what you'd get for that if it's
not getting much traction on gun Broker. Yeah, I mean
you might reach out to some gun shops out west
that do a lot of I mean there's there's service
and shops that'll list your stuff on gun broker and

(01:02:02):
do like a very high end bespoke auction page to
maybe get some eyeballs. But I mean I always sell
stuff just by plugging it into different forums. And this
may not be what you want to hear. But when
I'm trying to sell a gun, I low ball myself.
So I don't I lower my standards so that I

(01:02:25):
just sell it quickly. I don't have a lot of
experience like selling high value items for what they're worth
or more. Typically, I just am moving something to move
on to the next thing. So Seth, you have thoughts
on that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
I mean my gun selling advice is don't sell guns,
just keep them, hoard them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Yeah, put them in a safe.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Get ready for Yeah. Yeah that's a beautiful rifle.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Oh yeah, Phil, what else we got here? Good luck
to you, Mason.

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
I picked this question because it's incredibly vague, but I
think it could open up a discussion of what this
actually means. But sisk Grant twenty six asks, what's what
is the most admirable non game animal? I think you could. Yeah,
admirable could mean different things to different people. I think
it's pretty subjective. So so if you guys want to

(01:03:15):
hash that out, I think that'd be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Probably a grizzly bear for me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Yeah, I guess in the lower forty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, that's where you're at.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I think that's cheating. I would say, if we're going globally,
I would have to say it's one of the great apes,
either a gorilla you're here, yeah, chimpanzee or in orangutan.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
You have a lot of respect for those creatures. I
like the wolverine, but you can get them in Alaska.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Yeah, not down here though, Yeah, Canada wild animal Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm wondering about things like possums.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
You can get them, yeah, all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
But I wouldn't call it like a game game. Yeah,
it's fair. Yeah, you're talking to the trapper here, armadillo? Nah, cheat, No,
I think I think the great apes. I'm gonna I'm
gonna plant my flag, and these guys don't have good answers.

(01:04:27):
So that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Great, we locked it down, Bill, did we did we
get it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Do we squeeze enough juice out of that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
I thought you guys might squeeze a little bit more,
but hey, we'll work with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
I think there's a lot of good questions in there.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
It's cord asked. I think I know the answer that
set Set's answer. What is the weirdest health condition slash diagnosis?
Y'all have contracted from the outdoor lifestyle. This includes friends
or pets.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Just mostly diarrhea. Okay, just a lot of diarrhea.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Oh yeah, Jordia, m m yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Kept it pretty safe and healthy out there. I don't
know Set's mental breakdown here. Not shooting a deer kind
of got me concerned, but oh yeah, it's that'll get
fixed here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
It's something I got to work through myself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I like there's cuts, there's I don't have any trick
and nosis stories weird insect bites and beastings, including pets.
We had one of our dogs this past winner.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I wish I could remember the name of it. But
essentially what she did was poke a hole in her
abdomen with a stick and then it filled up with
air because her body was working like a bellows and
it sucked all this air up under the skin and
it was like she had bubble wrap under her Oh wow.
Which I always think it's fun when there's something weird
with your dog's body and you like google what could

(01:05:44):
this possibly be, and then you figure it out. But yeah,
it was a bizarre one. I wish I could remember
what that was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
And then.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And then we told a doctor friend of ours about
it and he's like, oh, yeah, bubble wrap and we're
like yeah, and he's like, oh, He's like that happens
all the time, and you give chest tubes. I was like,
all right, drained the air. Yeah, so wild. Anyway, that's
what I got so far, so good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Great hitting these.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Out of the park, I phil.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, guys are doing great.

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
On the note of diarrhea, friday Eras asked Randall, would
you rather give a pot dogs or briskool?

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
Now that's a question.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Randle's getting real serious.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I think I think the honest answer, Well, there's two answers.
If I could give up beer, I would that's a
big as I don't but I don't think I can.
I've never been able to make that commitment to myself

(01:06:45):
and my loved ones. So I think the honest answer
is I would have to give up pot dogs. But
if you were gonna, like, you know, brainwash me somehow,
like office space, hypnotize me, I'd probably say get rid
of the drinking, because the drinking actually leads to more
hot dog eating. Yeah, but he says, bruskies, could you

(01:07:06):
you could? You could resort to, like become a whine.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
Up brown liquor or something, you know, Oh, I can't
drink the spirits.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Oh yeah, I get out of control. I get out
of control. Well, yeah, before we I mean, yeah, it's
a good question. I wish I had a better answer
for you. If Yeah, if it was like someone said,
you have to give up one or the other, and
it's all on you and your self control. Otherwise I'll
find you and you know, put a bullet in your head,
I'd probably say hot dogs. It would be easier to do.

(01:07:34):
But if I could hypnotize myself, i'd say beer because
it's probably the healthier choice. Great, great, knocked another one
out of the park.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Keeping come and fill here's one back here's a question
that I can contribute a little something to. Is this
from Wally Bloomer? Not sure what size brooks Down sweater
to buy? I wear a large sweatshirt and a medium
T shirt. Which way would you go? Yes, I would
say large because I wear a large T shirt, So
I'm guessing I'm like a slightly bigger than you, and

(01:08:05):
my large brooks Down sweater is like just barely smaller
than what I would want, So I think it would
fit you pretty well. Then again, I brought I mine's.
I think mine's like a different about mine years ago,
So it might be a different sort of cut or
something that they do now, but I would say large
for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
It should be about the same. Yeah, I'm kind of
in that same boat there, wearing large items and medium items.
I go big because the brooks Down you can still
wear it just a tad big. If it's too small,
you're not gonna lay under lay under it, and they're
so light you're not going to feel the difference if
you're worried about packability, the difference between a medium and
a large.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, I like to wear that. I like to wear
the brooks Down with like a fleece hoodie underneath.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
So put it on over your bino harness if it's
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I like to wear with that hoodie under.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
The first I was, I've been wearing this one a lot. Yeah,
and I got another one for like a nice looking
one mm hmm. And now this one's just like mucking
around hoodie.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Oh are you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Mucking around right now?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
We'll be later ready, Yeah, this is my mucking around
herdie cool.

Speaker 6 (01:09:17):
Let's do one more here, and this is gonna be
kind of like this is going to be a double
plug question since we just did a very practical but
first like question, Roe says Phil, I have a question.
Most weeks, they stream the live show as a podcast
the next day. Do y'all see that a lot? That
is how we see it most of the time. Row
like only you know, sub one thousand people will dip

(01:09:38):
in and out live, but then you know, it gets
thousands of views as it goes on, and that's only
on YouTube. The podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads
after that. So so like you're you're you're not alone.
But I will say, because since we don't do this enough,
in my opinion, we never plug our own YouTube channels
or the podcast one. Really we we I think we said, hey,

(01:09:58):
you should go subscribe to it, yeah, when it first
launched years ago. But please subscribe to the Mediat podcast
Network YouTube channel if you have not done so, I
I think most of the people here live probably have.
But if you're a podcast listener, dip on over there
and hit that subscribe button.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, the Mediat podcast is it? Mediator podcast Network?

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Yes, I believe so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Mediator podcast Network YouTube channel. It's a separate channel from
the just standard Mediator channel. And you'll if you'd ever
wondered what Corey looks like and you don't have social media,
you'll want to check that out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Yeah, get up on that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Get a look at him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah, get a good look at this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
You won't regret it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
He said, He's a large, sometimes a medium sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
We got any more? We got any more?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Well, how how long do you want to keep We've
got some more questions.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Track there, just some.

Speaker 6 (01:10:54):
It's hard because a lot of people come in with
good intentions and ask pretty good questions. But it's a
question that we answered a week ago or a couple
of weeks ago, and I don't want it to be
too repetitive. But we can just keep digging through some
of these questions if you want. Some of them are
kind of are vague, like for some reason or for
examples from Jordan, we're heading to Kentucky today to hunt
for three days on public with no information. What is

(01:11:16):
the best plan to start hunting white tail deer because
it's kind of open ended, right like scouting.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Yeah, I would say scout for a day and a
half and hunt for a day and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Ooh, that's good advice. I'd see it's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Spend three days sitting in a spot where there's no deer. Yeah,
but if you scout, you can really narrow it in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
And make cute, make half your trip real productive. Yep,
that's a great idea. That's pretty good because if you
double your productivity of a day and a half by
scouting for a day and a half, essentially get those
scouting hours back by the double productivity. So it's like
you get to hunt for three days and scout for
a day and a half because you're doubling the productivity

(01:11:57):
of those day and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah, that's a great that pencils.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Out top that tip.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
Oh, here's the question for seth photography questions. Do you
prefer faster, lightweight prime lenses or heavier, slower zooms when
out in the field.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
Well, I typically go with the zooms because I can
cover a lot of things with just one lens. But
I prefer a prime mmm, specifically a fifty Wow. Primes
are just cooler, they look better, but you know you
can't always get the shot with the prime, especially in

(01:12:32):
hunting situations where things happen quickly, and you know, it's
nice to have the range.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Phil, is that it?

Speaker 6 (01:12:42):
Well, how we can keep going? It's your show, Randall,
tell me what you let's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Call that it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I'm looking at the clock. I realize we're keeping people
late here. We do have one last item, and that
is a bit of housekeeping before we go today, we've
got to address the elephant in the room. Next Thursday
is Thanksgiving Day, so none of us will be here
in studio for our weekly Thursday broadcast, but the show
must go on. So this time next week we'll be

(01:13:08):
airing a pre recorded podcast episode with Steve and some
of the crew. As always, please tune in, especially if
you already need a break from the kitchen or your family.
But please know that the chat will be unsupervised, and
so if you have a pressing question that you'd like
addressed on this show.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
Actually I need to interrupt you here. It is not
a radio live episode. This is a it's going to
it's a Meat Eater podcast episode. Crew at crew episode.
I don't think we're going to be live streaming it.
It's just going to drop. It's going to drop, Randal,
you really, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Can we redo this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Or you should have told me that before we went
We're live? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Should we just end it? Now?

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
Hey, Randall, if you have a problem with the way
I run the show back, we just I don't want
you to talk about it behind the mike.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
It's embarrassing for me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
So if you have a pressing question for pull it together,
if you have a pressing question for the crew, rand
David until our next Meet Eater Live on December fourth, December.
This is a really bad look for you Thursday, December.
I think it's a bad look for you. I mean no,
I'm fine. I was told to wrong. I was told
to address this and and prepare the audience for next

(01:14:15):
week's schedule. But I was given incomplete information, and so
now I look like a fool.

Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
You're right, you guys should hash this out a little later. Hey,
as always, you want to grab a beer after this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
As always, hot dog.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
As always, thanks for tuning in, guys, hope you enjoyed
the show. We'll review some of the feedback and decide
whether there will be another segment of Me Theater. I'm
thinking it's likely. Doubtful.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
No, it's happening, but uh, appreciate you great.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Calls and uh and enjoy the hunting this time of year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Happy Thanksgiving early.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Happy Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving? All right, Phil? Play the cut music

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