Ep. 901: Trump’s Turkey Ammo, Venison at Wimbledon, Death Threats in Alabama, Texas Turns Soft

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the news show everybody. Today, We've got the
auction House of Oddities, reducts, a local goose population gets eradicated,
and death threats ensue. Spencer ties up loose ends Wimbledon,
the tennis thing is serving venison. Florida. Coyotes are living
off iguanas. Seriously, Dope and weed are sort of like synonyms.

(00:28):
Politicians are wetting their beaks as a godfather, reference on
tungsten medals and more. But first our news, I'll talk
about our news. Auction House of Bodities far and away
the biggest auction house of bodities ever. Now, just how
about what the auction House of Bodities is. It's a
fundraiser we do for our own Land Access Initiative. All

(00:49):
the money that comes in from the auction House of
Bodities goes to the Land Access Initiative. The Land Access
our Land Access Initiative is used to fund access enhancement
projects around the country. We help fund a project in Maine,
we helped fund a project in Montana, We're working on

(01:10):
one down in North Carolina, Wyoming.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Right, that's what we use the money.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I think it's important to mention that, like we help
just because like the magnitude of these projects and then
why we ask for help because like we couldn't do
it ourselves. These are big, you know, and so there's
like like like there's other other organizations and maybe you know,
government agencies that are adding in way more money than

(01:35):
we're bringing to the table, but we're helping, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
So I want to say add in like some of
these things are many millions of dollars of deals, like
the Tuckertown thing, it's it's it's tucker Town is there's
a big piece of public access land that was gonna
get sold off and made not public. So we were
working with on X and when there's other partners involved
and raising money to start buying all these parts. Okay,

(02:00):
so that's what the Land Access Initiative is all about.
And we do the fundraiser the auction Ausbodities, which is
live is it live? It's live?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
When does say it goes live the morning of July eighth?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Live here?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Okay, here's what's in the auction sabot.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
This is by far the biggest auctionaus ofodities ever because
this is thirty two items.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
These are keepers.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
If you're a fan of the show doss boat, our
old show doss boat. We have one hundred and fifty
horse power outdoor sorry a Honda one hundred and fifty
outboard scoots barely barely. The only hours on that motor
are the hours that were spent fishing that show.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
So she could just go count the hours. That's how
many hours around that motor?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Nothing. Our new studio with all the barnboard, the leftover
barnboard from that project, brand new Old Town fishing kayak,
all decked out for fishing. My weather Be left tanded
weather Be Mark five chambered in two fifty seven weather Be.
It's a rifle I used and we were hunting prong
Hame with Luke Holmbs and Wyoming. I used it on

(03:09):
Montana Mountain goat hunt. That rifle. It's got an MDT
chassis stock on it, but it's also got the original
stock that we're throwing in. We got my whole twenty
years worth of writing in books, all signed. We have
a football helmet that we don't know where it came from,
but it's been here a long time.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Did anybody offer any kind of hypothesis, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's a me eater football hunt, somebody would have reached
out to Carl. I'll do it right now.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Our punt gun. We're auctioning off punt gun shell casings
we alto have. It's not an auction, but the hats
we have that say this hat was shot by a
punt gun. It's hats that were shot by a punt gun.
You can just go buy those hats. There's a bunch of.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Them, seventy three of them, seventy five dollars apiece. You
are buying one of the random hats. Some of them
are absolutely covered in pellets and pellet holes. Some of
them even shake them. You'll hear that pellets inside. Other ones,
you know, just got grazed by one or two pellets.
You're just getting one of those random but they're all wounded,
all wounded.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
And it says this hat was shot by a punt gun.
This all goes to fun Access Initiatives. Okay, we got
a couple Spinners spittoons that I believe we're gifted to
us by the dip enthusiast Jared Outlaw. We got one
of our old Phelps Line one limited edition turkey calls

(04:28):
a Walnut tree in os George Tree that Me and
Phelps chainsaw Down had calls made from them. We did
a rough Cuts episode recently where I killed a milder
in Montana. That meal deer skull my a prime archery
left handed bow of mine used on me Eater episodes.

(04:49):
My Dad's shitty old truck nineteen ninety seven Ford f
one to fifty extended cab.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Shitty old truck.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
I expected older and shittier. Oh yeah, it doesn't look that, listen.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I sold it when my dad died.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I drove it.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Then I sold it to my buddy. He sold it
back to me for one thousand dollars. Oh good mileage
one hundred and sixty thousand miles on it. So my
dad's old truck, which I lived out of that truck
for a while working on a book. But here's the deal.
It's full of new hunting gear. You can bet on

(05:23):
that and Mark Kenyon will personally deliver my dad's shitty
old truck full of new hunting gear to you.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's got a five hundred dollars First Light gift card,
two hundred dollars Meat Eater Store gift card, a whole
bunch of other stuff. We got decoy stuff. From Fahf.
It's loaded with.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Gear, a self bow made by Baron Newcombe.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
It's Tuckertown theme, so I'm keeping with the land access initiative.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's a real piece of art.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Sign me Eater Trivia board game, Sign me Eater Trivia
expansion packs. Sign me Eater Trivia Collector's Edition. Handmade dinosaur
own earrings out of Spencer Newhart's personal collection. Handmade mammoth
bone necklace, Spencer Newhart's personal collection made by my wife.

(06:11):
Handmade tallow products made by me and my wife. Box
of rocks literal box of rocks. Yes, fossils, gemstones out
of Spencer Newhart's personal collections.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Dinosaur bones, petrified wood, fish fossils, leaf fossils, all kinds
of sea life in there.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Spencer came through hard on this m You.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Just imagine how much stuff he still has that his house.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, I feel like my house is an auction house aboudity, Yeah, adjacent.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Like you're not even scratching the surface over No, No.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I'm just giving you like seatier things.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh, the crew library, here's a good one.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
No for an r Sea car signed by NASCAR driver
Chase Elliott for NASCAR enthusiasts out there. So it's a
functioning working our sea car signed by Chase Elliott. We
have the Meat Eater Crew Library. Everyone in the crew
went and picked a favorite book out of their own
personal library, and you'll get all the favorite books. Will
sign them over to you.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
These are not new books either. You can tell they've
been read.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, these are old classes. I was real torn about
what I was going to throw into there for me,
real tor choose, I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I was still torn about the Big Sky.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Oh, that's right. Ab Gothree is the Big Sky. That's right,
Mountain Man novel.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Aby Gothree's the Big Sky.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
And I was gonna throw I was gonna throw into
Vicara of the Brush Country. Did oh, that's why I
was torn, not torn. I put them both in there.
That's okay, Vicara of the Brush Country and uh and
we did. We did an episode of Steve Reid's books
that you ain't got to about the care of the
Brush Country. The me Eater Crew pantry where everyone brought

(07:50):
in items from their own homemade items from their own
pantry stocks, chutneys.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Smoke, salmon smoke, sam apple, butter, pickle, bear, grease, no
bear grease.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
And og. Oh, a really old camera that we filmed
a bunch of Meat Eater episodes with. It's called the
og Meat Eater Cinema camera. First Light. Cody gloves with
custom artwork on them. Mark Kenyan's tethered saddle hunting kit signed.

(08:24):
And here's okay, Brent Reeves bow to Matthews. We have
a thing that was donated to us in order to
put in the auction offs of bodies, which is a
Model ninety four lever action rifle chambered in thirty thirty.
And then here's one that I feel guilty haveing because
we shouldn't have it. A box of fly fishing memorabilia

(08:51):
from the personal collection of Lefty Cray. Lefty Cray's personal
correspondence ties that Lefty Cray tied, ties that got flies,
tip flies, the heat tied flies that his friends tied
and gave to him.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
People are annoyed that we wound up with this.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah, I'll bet well if they're annoyed.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Did did his state?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yes? Yes, gifted to us.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Because the state gifted to us, a museum should be
buying it.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
If I could pick one thing from our auction house
to have and pick this.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Harvard has a fit history of fishing exit exhibit. This
should be there. This shouldn't be in our office.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
And it should it should The collection should be called
If it.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Ain't chart truce, If it ain't chart truth, ain't no use.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
There. You have it. Auction outs Bodies Live Now goes
for two weeks. It's gonna be big. Get your bids
in now. Some of the stuff you get, there's a
couple of items you got to pick up. Most of
the stuff we just mailed to you. You can read
all about it. If that ain't enough fund raising, Yanni.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Is it too early to start thinking about Turkey.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Honey, No, because it's time to start planning, planning.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah, we've got plans probably in I'm guessing middle of
April again. We're gonna go back to the same farm
that you and I and a couple of TRCP Hunt
winners from last year we're at in mid April. We're
gonna be back there in twenty twenty seven with this
year's winners. And the sweepstakes is going on right now,
so you can buy tickets. There's some pictures up here

(10:23):
on if you're watching, there's day one. John Clowner so
the winner actually didn't come. He had was his wife
was about to give birth, and so he sent his
two brother brothers in law and you know we.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Had we later had him for dinner.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Oh yeah, how was he?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's great?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Me and Spencer hosted them for dinner.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh cool.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
So there's one of his brothers in law and myself
on day one and then same day actually Steve you
killed with Stephen, right, we killed three I think. The
first day there's Steven helping the boys butcher their birds.
What else. So the next one, oh, there's some awesome
fishing there. That's a little guy. That's the only guy
we took pictures of. But there are some like three

(11:07):
foot plus muskie that I'm going to be prepared to
catch when we go back next.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
This is private pond fishing.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, there are reclaimed reclaimed quarries. Yeah. Anyways, great farm,
great turkey hunting, and for a great cause.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know what TRCP does is uh ensuring.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Guaranteeing Americans quality places the hunting fish. There you go.
So we cover all the expenses, We cover your airfare, transportation, tags, lodging.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
We bring in a cook yeah, which is probably going
to be Andy again, I hope so, which is amazing.
And let's not let's not forget. Guy Groenwald is hosting us.
We've had on You've had on the interview show. Very
entertaining host. I mean, if you're interested in all about
the fur business in the United States of America, the

(11:59):
guy has answers and more.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And he'll holds us for tacos.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Oh, it's it's awesome. It's a great, great time. And
like I said, it's for a great cause. So go
buy some Raffle tickets. I think you can get ten
for twenty five and then there's more options as if
you want to spend more money. Thanks. Oh, I have
another piece of R news.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I just got some input on this too on TRCP.
No on what you're gonna talk about right now?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Oh great, you're doing a little little little research.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay. A duck's unlimited. A duck the guy I know
in life that knows the most about ducks, next to
Max Barto.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yep, he responded to you.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
He says, only the hen's quack in the air.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Ducks make a noise. They don't quack.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Drake's making noise.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Johnnie's saying that he watched some drakes going.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, just the other day, maybe two three weeks ago,
I was fishing with Tony Peterson, doing a little fishing
show on his local lake, catching uh, smallies and largemouth.
And there were not a lot, but quite a few
ducks here here and there. And you'd see him sitting
on people's docks or you know, up against the shore.

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And multiple times we had drakes fly by us quacking.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
When you say quack, does.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
It quite sound like a hens quack? Maybe not exactly,
was it? It was not that sound. It was not
the drake whistle.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Compliments to you see, if you're good at that, you
got that one.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's the same noise I make for a turkey spitting
and struck.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Spitting parts of the best.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I just don't know how those turkeys do it with
that funny little tongue of theirs they spin.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Say you make the noise you heard? It was?

Speaker 3 (13:59):
It was a quack?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is just in Max Bart. It was like a duck
maniac duck maniacs saying that you must be hearing a
hen somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yes, but lip sync it was. It wasn't just me
versus Max. There was another ankle in the boat Tony Peterson,
who was seeing and hearing the exact same thing. We're
watching a drake literally fly by us. His mouth opens
and you hear a quack, not a whistle, and then
he does it again, and then we see another drake

(14:30):
the next day and he does it again.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
They pull up, pull up, drake, Mallard quacking.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
We should have Phil pulled up and then Phil can
put it.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's a whole ton of ducks.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's no good. That's a dumb video.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Joe.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, you have to be like, never mind, that'd take
a little more time anyways. Okay, so I didn't make
the noise again.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
My my, my, My theory is that it's one of
those things like, uh yeah, all while game tastes bad,
it's it's it's like someone told Max and my brother
in law who's a huge duck hunter, and every other
dude that's just a hardcore duck hunter that only the
hens quack. That's what I've always been.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
An antelope don't go over fences except the ones that do.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, expect some emails about this one, I think.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
And so that even though he's literally seeing a drake
flying by quacking, he still is just like, no, there's
a hen over on the bank somewhere that's quacking, and
it just happens to be coinciding with that drake opening
his mouth.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Okay, I got hit.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
I got a Cornell ornithology lab open, hope, here we go.
This is under male calls. Shh huh.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's a lot like a quack. Like a quack, do
a hen quacking? It's more like a quack. Yeah, like
a quack. And she's gonna get it. Yeah, let's see
your point now.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Just so that the viewers and listeners also can hear
play play the drake whistle? Is that also right there
in the list of male call.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Nope, well you can hear.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
You can hear in the background.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, they do a longer one.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
The Cornell left also says definitively, the male does not quack.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
Instead, he gives a quieter, rasping one or two noted call.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
It's like a quack with a capital queue and a
quack with a little cue.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
There you go, somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
This is the last spit of our news. Over to Spencer.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
I was just down the Oregon coast for a week
and I got two highlights.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Were you with missus Newhart.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
I was, yes, for most of the trip. We split
up for here and there, but yeah, we were on
the Oregon coast together.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
You were split up for a whole night.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
No, the closest was like seven hours where I went
fishing and she went shopping.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Really, man, my wife just not approached vacations that way.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Well, if you plan it, then you could be like,
here's here's what we're doing during this seven hour stretch.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
There's no way your wife doesn't have a little loane
time during a.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Vacation I went away. If I went like just her
and I went away on a trip and I said, hey,
I got an idea for today, that's not no.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
If I was like I'm taking all the kids and
we're going fishing, that'd be like knock yourselves out.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Just the two of you, and you're like, hey, didn't
you want to go to the spa? Which I know
that she loves hitting the spa.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, but that's not going to be like seven hours. No,
I mean we go away the two of us like
once every decade.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Like for me, the picture doesn't have kids different, all right,
What was the what was the highlight?

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Two highlights? The first highlight we were together for Primarily
why we went there was to see the puffins. There's
a few million, Yeah, there's a few million tufted puffins
on the earth, but if you want to see them,
you need to get on a boat to go somewhere
far away or go to Alaska. But in the lower
forty eight, if you want to be standing on shore
and see a puffin, there's like one place you go,

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and it's called hay Stack Rock. It's in This is
Haystack Rock.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
That's a famous rock. It gets its picture taken away.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
It does. Yes, it's not a cannon beach Oregon covered
in birds. But there's only about one hundred tufted puffins
that live here. Now is the best time to go
see them, like literally right now, because the parents will
get out of their den. They'll go fish out at sea,
and then they'll come back with a mouthful of fish
and then they'll feed their young. So they're just like
extra visible, especially in the morning. So we go to

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see the puffed, puffed or the tufted puffins, and you know,
only one hundred of them up there. My wife'spots went
right away, and so pull up the binos and we've
got a spotting scope and we're looking in this this
is not this is a different one we saw later
in totally just uh no, no, your good film. In total,
we saw nine of the tufted Puffins. Of the hundred
we saw them, and the first one we see, there's

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like one that looks like this, it's got the white
face mask, and we saw another one had the black
face mask.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
So all the birds in that picture are not only
the one in the middle of the screen with the
big orange beak that's your tufted puff.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
There's one that quacks there up high.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
A lot of birds out there. So the first first
two we see, you know, one with the white face mask,
one with the black face mask. Every other one we
saw had white face masks just like this one. And
so we go up to a volunteer who volunteer there.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
What are the.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Volunteering about right now? Is the Great Puffin Watch. There's
a three day period in July where you go to
in the Great Puffin Watch and they'll be like, you know,
they come back every year in the monogamous and they
feed their baby volunteering about to give you information and
also be like, don't touch that starfish and like, you know,
step back, things like.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
That, are you?

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Are you a burder and throughout life?

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Not just something I'll dabbled in here and there, but
we want to see the tough.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Was there a bunch of hardcore burders with their giant
cameras there?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, but if you were a hardcore burder, you wouldn't
be there during the Great.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Puffin Watch because that's lame.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's just like keeping too much going on.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
So we go up to one of these volunteers who's
there to you know, answer all your questions. We're like,
why why did the one have black face mask? We
didn't see any other ones like that? And they're like
you saw that one. We're like yeah, it was like
on this side of the rock. They're like, well, two
weeks ago one during a different puffin count at this rock,
one of the volunteers there also spotted one with a

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black face mask, and that's not normal. In my head,
it was like, oh, that's the female. The white face
mask is the male. And she's like I can't remember
what they called it, but it's a thing where they're
like all black and I was like melanistic and You're like, yes, melanistic.
So we saw it.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Sounds like they need to.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Volunteer. Yeah, so we saw the rare tufted puffin that
was melanistic on Haystack Rock and just real tickled. Congratulations,
it's not like one of the rarest animals that I
feel like we've collected is the melanistic puffin. When you
google melanistic tufted puffin, there's no results either. So this
is not like a thing that is happening often in
this population. So did you I did not because we

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didn't know it was special at the time, so I
didn't take a picture. It was the first two we
saw was the ir regular puffin and the melanistic one.
So we're thrilled about that. I'm gonna contact them again
and be like, what, what new information you got? Do
we know anything about this this melanistic tufted puffin or not?
So that is going to make me a burger Now,
I'm like, well, I've collected this one, so like, therefore

(21:50):
I should be a burger.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah. He came. If you're like a space alien and
you show up in America or the world, and then
the first guy you're running and it was like whole
cogan yeah, or.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
You huh, you catch ant right off the.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Rib, that's right.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
So we collected rare tufted puffin. That was highlight number one.
Highlight number two was I got to catch North America's
biggest freshwater fish, which is the white sturgeon.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Ohamn.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
And this is while my wife was shopping. I went
fishing with a guy I met out there and caught
two of the white sturgeon. Yes. So this is also
the best time of year to be doing that because
they'll be up in shallows. Like we caught three white
sturgeon that day, and we caught them in four feet

(22:37):
of water and twenty feet of water, so just a
variety four feet of water. That one was an aerial sturgeon.
He came up right away, whole body out of the water.
And then just like the whole day, about every half
hour you'd see a surgeon come out of the water.
Don't know what they're doing. I don't think anybody has
a good idea.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
They just free jump.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah, they do free jump, and it's like you see
a variety of movie that they do. Sometimes they'll come
out like a whale where they like you know, they
fully breach and then they land on their side. Other
times it'd be like a dolphin. Other times they just
roll on the surface like you'd see a paddlefish or
a carpdew. So just like a lot of a lot
of sturgeon being seen.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Did the guide like you did.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
He like me? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:18):
I think I think he liked me. I met him
last year at his food truck that he owned, it's
called Pacific Route, and he's like, hey, I also no
he serves donuts.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
He's like, so you're snacking on a donut and he says, hey,
you know aproposa nothing.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I'm a sturgeon guide.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
He's a steelhead and trout guide. They see sort of
dabbles in on the side, but he's like, hey, if
you ever want to come out fish and let me know.
And I'm like, we don't offer that if you don't
mean it, because yeah, I will do it. I would
love to catch one of these bucket list fish.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
How heavy would you say? The biggest one was.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Six and a half feet long, and I think googling
that was like, I don't know, one hundred and thirty
to one hundred and sixty pounds somewhere in there cut bait,
uncut bait. Yeah, it's very familiar if you catfish, right,
it's just like using like a seven inch frozen anchovy.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Sometimes it would just be a smorty sport of bait
on there. You do an anchovy plus two earthworms plus
the sand shrimp. And they were just trolling the bottom
looking looking for dead stuff, and you're you're you're anchored up,
anchored up. Yep, it's just soaking lead on the bottom. Yeah,
just very familiar if you're gonna go catch a catfish.
We're in the content.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
All of a sudden, that thing's just swimming away. It's
not like you get like a nibble.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
You do get a nibble. Yeah, it's it's that part,
you know. It's kind of like watching a bobber go down,
do that bobber. But it's just like small rod ticks
and then sometimes they about take it out of your
your rod hole.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Do they circle hook them or jay hook them?

Speaker 4 (24:43):
It is a barblous hook. It's not a circle hook,
but it's a barbleous jay hook, which I'm surprised you
can like fight them as good as you It's a
real thrashing uh, and it holds on the whole time.
It seems like if you set the hook in one,
they're just not coming off.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
How many times that fish been caught?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
I would bet often, Often I would I would guess,
and I would ask the guy I was with. I
was like, what's that boat doing. What's that boat doing?
What's that boat doing?

Speaker 1 (25:06):
They love that kind of stuff they do.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, I like, well, I'm also interested. I'm like, selfishly
want to know, but I'm like, what's that fishing boat doing?
The answer was always catching sturgeon, So I imagine it's
quite common.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
There is no salmon run going on at the time, not.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yet, you'd have to be out in the ocean. As
far as bycatch, I was like, what kind of bycatch
do you get? And it shocked me because the answer
is like nothing, never have any bycatch besides the occasional
channel catfish. Really yeah, Like, well, what's he doing out there?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Huh yeah, being a channel catfish? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
So I saw the melanistic puffin and got to catch
the continent's biggest freshwater fish. Oh Man weekend for him
good week, and my wife got to shot.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
It's great. Everybody wins ont of your news. A lot
of guys rolled in about last episode telling saying that
don't come on a lot of guys saying that calin
that don't is heroin. So if you say a dope smoker,
you mean a that's not true.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
It kind of it kind of is these.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I don't care about these days. Okay, I don't care
about these. I don't care where you go and search up.
I grew up knowing they're dope smokers. I don't care
where he goes search up. You're like dope and weeders
like it's synonymus their synonyms. That's all I'll point out.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Smoking the stuff isn't even that common anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
No, you're like a dope eater. Yeah, dope eater.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
But guys that were acting like they didn't that dope
smoking one. It's like an old man joke to even
call it dope smoking. But back, you know, whatever time ago,
whatever time ago, twenty years ago or whatever, that's it.
If you go look at the Internet and go look
at any definition dope, a dope smoker is one can

(26:51):
be a weed smoker. Now, it's not as accurate as
saying a marijuana smoker, but it puts you in the
right ballpark.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
You'll get pushed back on the whole marijuana thing.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Listen, of all the groups to offend, that's your least
worried about. No, No, I'm not like that. Worry about
many of them that you get like, oh the whatever,
you know, the catch release guys are mad, the high
fence guys are mad.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
The dope smokers are mad.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Like okay, let's.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Get back to That's the thing about the dope smokers
is they don't get mad.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
They do apparently they came unless these weren't dope smokers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
These another big correction, huge correction that Nate Mason needs
to make.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
In your in our news, your news.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
Talking about Michigan ELK, a number of alert listeners or viewers,
i should say, pointed out that there was no blue
dots on that Rocky Mountain ELK Foundation map in the
state of Michigan, and mult of many people confirmed that
there are probably seven hundred ELK in the state of Michigan.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
We applied every years as a kid.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
Is just a real old map or they is just
I don't I couldn't figure it out. I can I
can't get hold of anyone in arm YEF. But uh, yeah,
they've been there for a long time, long time, long time.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
A huge mistake on your big time current distribution. Michigan's
got him. My old man used to bow hunt white
tails up in that neck of the woods. And uh,
it's kind of like if you were to if you
make a Michigan mat with your hand and you go
to your it's the elk are kind of between the
first and second knuckle on your middle finger. That might
not be totally act. That's pretty good. They're around that ballpark, yep.

(28:33):
He used to hunt white tails up there and do
nothing but sitting in his tree stand taking photos. Elk. Huh.
It's like you're sitting around drowning and elk hoping a
white tail comes by.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Do you ever know anybody who killed one? Theyre Nope.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Never you know anybody who drew one?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Nope, do not. It's a slim draw.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Those elk are how I learned about the mud vein thing. Oh,
where I had a client in Colorado who had had
a friend who had gotten a tag killed an elk,
and then when the guide was clean gutting it, said hey,
do you want the mud veins? And the guy was

(29:13):
like mud veins, like off a crayfish. Yeah, off a crayfish.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
The mud vein like the little ship tube ye, talking.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
About a tender loin.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, I know, but he's using the terminology yeah yeah, yeah,
as though it's like a poop tube. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
And the guy cut out the tenderloins and said he
was going to feed the mud veins to his dog.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
Because they're stinky and gross.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Oh last night, man, I had some trim. I was like,
trim and a heart, you know that, all that fat
and jump. So I had that in a bowl to
give my dog and then like, my dog was at
your house, so I put it in the freezer. Then
I got it back out and it sat a lot longer,
and I pulled it out last night. It was pretty rotten.

(29:57):
My wife's like, oh my god, don't give that to
the dog. I'm like, that dog don't care. So I
gave her to the dog, and that dog kidding. That
dog hadn't finished ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Right up on the carpet.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
And I'm like, there's no way it's related to the
rot on that thing. There has to be coincidence.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
How did you take that.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Something to date yesterday?

Speaker 5 (30:25):
It's like, there's no way that did it poor tracker.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
And I'm really surprised that she wouldn't take a few
hours off and just go hang out the spot.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
All right, out to the news, the actual news, and
Spencer's going to start out with a roundup of Spencer stories.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah, So I just want to I think it's something
I'll do in the future. You like, cover something, you
reach out for quotes they don't come in in time
or film. It happens like the day we put out
the podcast. So I had three stories I want to
circle back to. First. One is the West Virginia Golden
trout update. If you don't remember, an angler set the
new state record for Palomino trout with a twenty eight
inch twelve pound fish was caught on the south bend

(31:04):
of the Potomac River. Now, as I talked about that day,
it's likely the fish was stocked there a few days
prior by the West Virginia DNR. But I wanted to
hear them say it, so I reached out to them.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It looks like a stocker, don't it rony.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
This or you already here for this episode.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
So David Wellman, the assistant chief of Fish Management for
the DNR, he got back to.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Heought, we can't leave Gianni's comment, Hang it, I didn't
know this. Brody said that what you're seeing is wrong
with its tail? Is it hanging in its its tail
on its tank.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
So David Wellman, the assistant chief of Fish Management for
the DNR, he got back to me and here's what
he said, quote that fish was stocked this year as
most West Virginia streams do not hold up for trout
due to the warm tempts during the summer and fall.
So confirmed the DNR stocked a state record that was
caught just a few days later. So we already knew that,

(32:01):
but they didn't say it. They wouldn't come out and
directly say it. And so now somebody did. And now
I'm I'm just like extra amused by the whole thing, Like, yeah,
it's a state record that was living in a raceway,
you know, seventy two.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
I wonder if the guy grabs that thing to stock it.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Oh yeah, And I'm not trying a dog on it
too much like I had a few times when I
caught him not knowing that there had been a stocking recently.
One time it was on I was angling myself and
just under happened to be fishing, had a put in
by a bridge and they had literally dumped the fish
off the bridge, and all of a sudden, yank in
this I don't know, two foot plus rainbow, and I'm like,

(32:38):
oh my gosh, you know, biggest fish off seen all summer.
And then another time, you know our dear friend Lindsay Meyer.
I mean, she caught the biggest shout I ever guided
anyone too, I don't know, Yeah, I mean thirty inches
of miss a giant And do you.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Think that one just came off a truck?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, they just don't. Like you can't fish for ten years,
I'm on the same river, like not not know somebody
that catches a fish like that, and then all of
a sudden one day there's like ten of them in
at one pool.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
The funny thing is a few days after, be honest
with my client, she caught it. A few days later,
Alvin Doze client got the same damn fish on the
same bridge.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Huh oh there you go anyway.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
All right?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Update number two this is for the Iowa forty four
thousand dollars. Wileye, there was a fishing contest held by
the Iowa Great Lakes Area Chamber of Commerce. Anglers had
two dates to catch a tagged wileye in Okoboji to
win the forty four thousand dollars grand prize. Multiple anglers
tried to claim the money, but both were rejected. First
angler caught a fish that was tagged in twenty twenty five,

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so that didn't count. The other angler he brought in
a fish that was tagged in twenty twenty six, but
it was dead, so that made it ineligible. We have
an update. The contest carries on after Walley weekendend. It
goes for the rest of this summer, but the prize
money is significantly reduced. Two weeks after it ended, Ken
Williams caught himself one of those lucky wileye and he
won six thousand dollars for it, so at least some

(34:04):
money got handed out. Anglers have until August thirty first
to claim the last two cash prizes of the extended contest.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Which of those guys is the guy who's it is.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
The dude with the second from the left, the guy
on the far left. He's the one in the video
we watched who had to break the news that the
dead walleye came in also some more news from the
same body of water. Westlake Okoboji just had their first
paddlefish caught since nineteen nineteen. It was captured in net
by biologists just a couple of weeks ago. The fish

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was once common in that area, but it disappeared after
a bunch of dams were put in place. The Iowa
DNR started a paddlefish stocking program a few years ago.
This is the first one that they've recaptured. They weighed
twelve pounds, measured twenty eight inches from the eye to
the fork in the tail. And here's a look at
one of the last paddlefish that was ever caught in
that lake. Weighed one hundred and eighty five pounds and

(34:58):
it was speared by an ice angler. Go the guy
put two spears in it. He couldn't get out of
the hole himself, so he ran up to shore, got
one of his buddies named Charlie, and then Charlie came
to help him drag it out of the way.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
A serious looking man. Right there it is, I got
beat Brody's assound.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Came out of Okoboji, one of the final paddlefish to
ever be caught there.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
That's a serious looking man. I don't want a hat
like that.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
It's a good hat. He looks like a dude who
would spear paddlefish. Yeah, one of the only paddles. Yeah,
that's been speared through the ice in North America. I'm sure,
all right. Last update or.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
If he was drunk on beer when it happened, you
have to be he was.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
He was in fifty foot of water. Uh, and he
speared in fifteen feet below him, which is a heck
of a shot with a spear.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
He was.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah, that's what the story said from nineteen nineteen that
it was.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
There was no way that they got confused over time.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
No a chance. That's totally legit, all right. Last update
is the Ohio Bigfoot update. If you don't remember, in
a span and a five days span back in March,
there were seven bigfoot sightings around Portage County. Four of
those happened in the exact same day. I reached out
to some Sasquatch experts for their take on this rash
of sightings. Here's what they told me. First one was

(36:12):
Jeremiah Byron via the Bigfoot Society. He said that the
weather was unseasonably warm that week, which resulted in bigfoots
being more active. Plus people were being more active, so
it just resulted they were encountering each other more often,
with good weather for humans with good weather for bigfoots.
It was it was a warm week in March where

(36:33):
they were just bumping into each other out in the
woods there. That's what Jeremiah said. Cliff Barrickman from the
big from the North American Bigfoot Center. I asked Cliff
if there's a chance that the bigfoots were migrating or
they were rutting or responding to a certain moon phase,
and he said, quote, that is nonsense and pretty sensationalized.

(36:55):
So he did not like that theory of mine. There's
still Cliff says he's not convinced that the reports were
properly vetted.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
He noted that some of the witnesses weren't interviewed until
days after the sightings. That's bad procedure from his perspective.
He said. The sightings were being gathered by bigfootmaps dot Com. However,
the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization, which Cliff told me is
the most reliable source for Bigfoot sightings, did not have

(37:27):
an uptick in sightings that week. So to recap bigfootmaps
dot Com had the bunch of had you know, the
report of increase in sightings, but Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization
did not.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So Bigfoot Maps is kind of like they're like.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Chumps, they are. So I reached out to the Bigfoot
Field Researchers Organization. The scare take yet. So Matt Moneymakers
who I talked to. He's one of the founding members
of the Bigfoot Great Researchers organization. Matt said that they
sent an investigator to interview the very first witness in
this string of sightings, and he told me that this

(38:04):
investigator is someone who tends to give the benefit of
the doubt to people, and the investigator concluded that this
was not a legitimate sighting by that first witness. The
witness he interviewed was a fifteen year old boy who
is an aspiring cryptozoologist who just started his own local
Bigfoot group. And so the investigator said, you know, he's
maybe doing this to get himself some street.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, that's like like a fox garden the henhouse. That's
not the right thing. Uh, but that's a thing, what
would it be. It's not the fox garden, the henhouse.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, I mean it's it's the bigfoot person seeing a bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, it's just like that.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Matt's team, Matt's team, he's tested bigfootmap dot com before
he sent them obviously fake reports to see what would
happen from their experience. Those reports get published within a
few hours with no follow up questions. One time they
even submitted like a joke name and the email address
was bigfoot maps own email address, and it still got reported,

(39:07):
Like it's still went up as.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
So they're like totally like just phoning it in. Yeah.
So there's like there's a there's a rivalry.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
There is, Yes, and and Matt was very hot about
this subject. Now, Matt did tell me that bigfoot do
live in northeast Ohio. It's actually one of the hot
spots on the continent. Matt had his very first face
to face encounter there back in nineteen ninety four. He
saw two bigfoots at once. One of them got to
within fifteen feet and it growled at him until I

(39:35):
left the area.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
And is close to down.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
So, despite despite Matt being a skeptic of the reports
in Portage County back in March. No, he did tell
me that their organization has gotten some credible reports from
around the Ohio River in Jefferson County. So if you're
in the area and want to find a Bigfoot, he
recommends starting in Jefferson County, not Portage County, because the

(40:00):
Ritage County folks are just a hoax.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Big that man, that's a great report.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Thanks for that, Spencer.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You're welcome moving from that area down to Madison, Alabama,
where one of our you know the term citizens scientists,
a citizen journalist, apprizes of this. But we got a tip,
We had a tip.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
They want to remain anonymous. Oh they do, yeah, because of.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
The Yeah, it's there's death threats flying.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
We're gonna talk about a Canada goose issue. That's good,
that's got the FBI. FBI is involved on it now.
So a citizen tipped us off for this story, but
he wants to stay out of it because all the
death threats getting thrown around down here Alabama. Basically, here's
how it goes. You got two large communities in the Madison,
Alabama area. Each of them is struggling with what they

(40:55):
perceive to be.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
A goose problem.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
They certain members of each of these communities perceive to
be suffering from over populated geese. Some say that the
goose crisis is so acute that pets are dying. Pets

(41:25):
are dying. Now, pets always die in any community. There's
a pet dying somewhere, you follow me. But these pet
deaths are attributed to these geese.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
To fecal matter or something.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
It was attacks.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I wish they have.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Seven the geese. There's so many geese. People are saying
that these geese are spreading avian influenza, and now seventy
five percent of the local swans are dead from these geese.
They say in their pond, this is an hoa pond.
It's a private hoa pond. One of these places, the
one I'm going to focus on, is a private hoa pond.

(42:11):
They're even saying that there was a fish die off
in the pond related to all the nutrient loading from
goose ship. Okay, so these hoas are suffering from geese.
But this is a tale of two hoas. One takes
takes a draconian approach, and they call in the FEDS

(42:35):
who come in and round up and execute.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Euthanize coal.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
What have you?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Five hundred geese.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Which to point is not that's something that happens with
geese around the country.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Sure, a lot of geese. Yeah, I'm not even telling
you what I think about the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
How do they do it?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Don't know, not been released. They trapped them. Some people
are saying they gassed them. That makes sense to me,
but I don't know what they did to them, and
I don't know if they went to a food bank.
The other HOA they didn't use a punk gun, They
did not put them. The other HOA is exploring other options.

(43:20):
The HOA that did the death dealing. Those HOA members
are now being subject to death threats, bad death threats.
You got the Madison subdivision, you got the Heritage Plantation subdivision,

(43:40):
just based off those names. Who do you think did
the dude?

Speaker 6 (43:43):
When you used to read this, I thought you were
going to say Madison, Wisconsin, and then you said Alabama.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
I wonder if these two subdivisions have Alabama partisan partisan
voting differences.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Heritage Plantation chose to euthanize Madison, Alabama chose to seek
other alternatives. The Facebook comments page is a great representation
just of American sentiment. I think this strikes me about

(44:19):
going through the Facebook comments on this news source are
how little people will do to find out if what
they're saying makes sense before they put it down. So
here you have people saying they're federally protected. Here you
have people saying they're a non native invasive. You have

(44:43):
all manner of opinions, most of which could be solved
with a very quick Internet search. One guy had an
interesting observation where he said Canadian geese are the Kudzoo
of birds. Another guy named Glenny says, without geese on
a pond, now follow this, without geese on a pond,

(45:08):
cotton mouth snake population infestation increase on the way. Snakes
will be hanging in the shrubs. Even snakes love sunning
out of concrete walks. They serve as hot rocks to
all snakes crawling up in the cars, garage, even inside

(45:31):
those hoa houses. Before it's over. Without no geese, that's
why farms have geese on their ponds. YEP. Venomous steak
snake infestation prevention. Another guy, just one of the only
people that was truly really trying to be helpful was

(45:52):
a guy that rode in and said, why hasn't anyone
tried putting an Egyptian duck in there? He will run
off any other bird trying to stay there by himself.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
He'll chase people and dogs too, but you'll have no geese.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
And he proves that it works because he says that
they did that at Magnolia Springs no geese.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I here's I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
It came down to execute And a lot of the
other people had dumb stuff to say, like why don't
they move them to a sanctuary?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
It's like what sanctuary?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Or people like why don't they go put them on
the river, But well, the problem is they have wings
and they just kind of go like they just kind
of go back where they want to be.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
But I really can't.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I mean, how would it be that a couple of dogs.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Well, they have those dogs that are trained to haze them.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
That's what I'm saying, use them.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
If one thing geese hunters know how to do, like East,
the one thing goose hunters know how to do is
make it the geese don't come back to a spot.
It's like, you can say a lot of bad things
about hunting about tay. One thing, if there's geese in
a spot and you hunt them real heavy, those geese
don't come back, Well, it turns.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Them off to the spot.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
To be fair, I think this is a problem that's
happening in suburban and urban areas all over the country
with Canada geese.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
It just seems I don't know. I'm not there.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
If I was living in that hoa, I would have said,
come on, are we honestly gonna have the government come
out and trap and gas five hundred geese? We can't
figure out a way to see ourselves through this or
wait till they move on, or get someone's dog that
likes to chase geese, or have some dude shoot them.

(47:41):
Are we really going to call in the federal government?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Dude? People were getting ill too. You missed that in
the email. People were getting ill.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, I don't know people I got. I got a
cold the other day. I don't know. Am I blaming
a goose on it? Well?

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I mean, I don't know this whole thing that we're
reporting on it coming off of this one email, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (48:02):
But I'm trying to apply some healthy skepticism to the
whole thing. That's it.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Uh. I just did a quick Google search about the
Egyptian geese.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Is he Is he a bad mofo? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:14):
They are bad.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Oh I would mess with him, Yeah, very very fierce,
and they will run off all other birds.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Or if they tried that, I know they didn't try that.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
No mad magnolia springs they did and it worked.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
It just seems in all seriousness and all seriousness, it
just feels to me it's very dramatic. It feels very
dramatic to call in the federal government to trap and
euthanize geese because you have a goose problem on a pond.
It just feels extreme.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
I'm trying to find ways to justify it. Maybe maybe
there was like avian flu concern that they.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
It just I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Air shows up in my neighborhood. I always like to
tell people, just don't tattletale on the bear. Don't tattletale
on the bear. He'll be fine, he'll do something different tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
But what if there's like forty bears in your neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Don't tattletale on them either. Okay, just let.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Just just walk through that bear.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
We interviewed a town on media radio who was dealing
with a goose problem at their local parks, and they
started using a goosinator. It's called and it's like a
shotgun now it should be. It's like a big orange
floating RCA car that's got teeth and eyes painted on it,
and they drive that thing like through the flock of
geese and they just do it enough to the point

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where they don't want to come back.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Sure, there's not want to come back somewhere.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Yeah, you could pay some little little boys to hay someone.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
If you were every day sent a guy down there
and shot a handful of geese's aren't coming back, dude,
Ask any duck hunter over to you, Jannis.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
You know they might get threats for shooting the geese too.
Let's go across the pond. Speaking of ponds, big pond
on the other side of the Big Pond. According to
an article in The Telegraph, which is a UK based
news service, Wimbledon is now serving venison to lower carbon
emissions by not serving beef. I know, kind of takes

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the wind out of sales of that whole article, doesn't it,
Because we're like, oh right, we're gonna get to celebrate
some wild game being eaten, but it's not really about that.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
They could lower them even more by.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Eating uh.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Poultry.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
It turns out, oh, is that right?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I don't know wild poultry.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
If that's the objective.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
So, in an effort to reach net zero carbon emissions
by twenty thirty, they've swapped beef for venison. How are
they measuring these? The emissions and the ratings? They got
a rating system developed by a company called food Steps.
Food Steps helps food producers and food purveyors figure out
what their carbon footprint is and how to reduce it.
They have a scoring system that rates of foods impact.

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A is low, F is high on average beef dish
scores in F venison scores A c The moves criticized
by beef.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Farmer doest thing I've ever heard. If it's wild venison,
which there it could be, how is it? How is it?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
What are they talking about?

Speaker 4 (51:25):
This venison now came from behind defence?

Speaker 3 (51:27):
And what do you mean? What are they talking about?

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I thought they're saying wild venison isn't an a wild
venson's an a I.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Think they're considering like because there's like I'll tell you
a couple of things that that you know that thought
worth mentioning they're not wimbled. Is not like the first
sort of event space to do this over there, It's
become popular, so a bunch of England's premier soccer and

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rugby stadiums have also switched over to Venison.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
The comments at the end of this article were interesting.
Most of the folks calling out windeled Wimbledon for virtue
signaling and not calling out the true source of carbon
emissions associated with Wimbledon, which you can imagine is like
the airplane travel that has to occur for everybody to
get there to enjoy the sporting event, right, like if

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you really gave a ship, you just probably wouldn't do
it or tell people to stay at home and watch it. Right,
But it's a it's a money making thing.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
So speaking of wild deer, hardly wild, no, these particular
ones now all over England, Scotland.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
They have a lot of deer. There's there's a there's
a bunch of different species, but these particulars and they
they are cold. They are hunted all over these countries
and they there with their system.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
They can be sold.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Wild game can be sold, right, these particular ones are
being served at Wimbledon come from Richmond Park and Bushy Park,
which are suburban London parks, big places like a thousand
acres I think one and one was two thousand acres.
But they both have perimeter fencing or walls around them.

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So they do have like open passageways because they're opened
twenty four hours a day and so you know, cars
can get in and out and people can get in
and out, so these deer aren't completely enclosed. But it's,
like I said, hardly wild. So there's a number of
deer in there. Every year there's a coal they take
out whatever percentage it is and then it's sold to

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a like a wholesaler that they can then you know,
sell it on to the caterer that's going to serve
and they sold to Sol says, Yeah, it's very very
manicure like. Even in these parks, there's more fencing and
enclosures to basically keep those deer from eating the shrubbery
and the flowers and all the stuff that they have

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planted over there. What else did I have about that? Yeah,
six deer species in England. Only two of them are native,
which are the red and the road deer. Four non natives,
Fallo Seka, munk jack, and Chinese water deer. Yeah, so
I don't know. They're trying to do it to be cool.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Do you know what dishes they're serving in?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
No, I looked up for a little menu. There was
a picture of one.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
One was tartar and I forget what the other one wasn't.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Remember, Yeah, there was one that had like a piece
of eggplant or a zucchini next to it with a
little something on top. I mean, everybody's liking it. It's
it's great. I don't know, I'm happy that they're that
they're doing it. I mean, why not. I just think
it's like, I think the reasoning behind it is a
little bit goofy because when you if you really want

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to delve into the whole, like what's better for you?
Or like what has not better for you? What's better
for what has less carbon emissions?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Like is the is the wild game actually better? Well,
turns out like if you basically hunt it very close
or you call it very close to where you're going,
where you're where, it's where the meat is going to
end up. And again they have like they are taking
in all this data about like you know, how much
water it takes for one animal to drink, and how

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much sunlight it's absorbing, and how much methane each producing.
Because wild game can't be zero either or an a
as you said, because it does produce methane the same
way that a cow does. Right, So wild game like
to really be the best that it can be, it
has to be hunted efficiently and not far from where
you live. So if you like to fly to Wisconsin

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and kill a couple of a deer and then fly
back to Montana and eat it, it's the same thing
as buying beef from the store.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Probably is the dude that shoots a deer out of
his window of his house, Yes, people might look down
on them, but for carbon footprint. The guy that shoots
it out of his window and then drags it back
into his house and eats it, that's a low carbon dude.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
You made some notes too about like in how in
the States, if we're going to do it, it had
to be farm raised venison, right well, farm raised venison
requires more resources than than beef.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
They have no moral high ground, Yep. They can't even
claim that.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
The funny thing is is this is coming from like
British newspapers, which like are the most anti hunting newspapers
in the world, Like they have like every day.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
It's like those dudes are hot of touch with nature.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Well, it just goes to show you their nature. I
mean it's like what I described in this park right,
like that's their version of nature.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, they haven't.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Walked around and they've had no nature for so long
they can't they can't even talk about it without getting crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
Was there anything on that list that was an A
that's like tasty?

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I saw one thing that said like that, the like
the lowest carbon emission plate that you could eat was A.
It was like A. It was pea soup and I
forget what else it had in it. It might have been
like broccoli and pea souper or something was like the
most you know.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Uh, I'll thrown in your own guard.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Yeah. Probably.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
The Wimbledon chef also said it was a nutritional decision, sure,
saying that the meat is leaner, more protein rich. So
that was part of their calculus as well.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Is that what Spencer says to blow you off?

Speaker 5 (57:38):
I think, sure, No, no, no, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
I'm going to tell you guys know it's the way
he says, sure, sure.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Sure, sure sure, It's like him going whatever whatever, should we.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Should we come back to America and go to Texas.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, San Antonio, this boils my blood.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Oh god, this is not like.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
This boils the kind of thing you don't.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
You don't expect to hear this kind of stuff coming
out of Texas.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
No, sometimes Texas will let you down country.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
So developers, developers in Texas are shutting down the historic
San Antonio Target Hunting and Fishing Club. It's one of
Texas's oldest sporting clubs, founded in nineteen fifty five, and
they need to permanently end their outdoor shooting after settling

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a lawsuit with a neighboring landowner. That landowner happens to
be a developer, a real estate development given to Fly
given to Fly Li abiliated with Mosaic Land Development. So
the next door to the shooting ranger's a forty acre
undeveloped track tracked and the lawsuit. They filed a lawsuit

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in late twenty twenty four basically saying that the shooting
range is causing all kinds of problems and it's causing
cow sales to collapse, and they're saying straight bullets, buckshot
and bird shot regularly crossed onto their property. Specifically included
claims that projectiles were being found on the neighboring property and.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Well the projectiles also were trespassing property. What like, look
me in the eye and tell me the last time
you found not a casing a bullet, the last time
you found a stray bullet.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
I'll tell you where at a shooting range, Like where, well, yeah,
like backstops like you know not. Yeah, you're not going
to like walk around be like, well there's a bullet
raring on the ground.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Nate pointed out if you're on like an old Civil
war battlefield, that can happen. Yeah, but they generally, like
conical projectiles aren't just laying.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Yeah, they go Like, so there's that. There's also they're
also saying the club operated like a drinking fraternity and
failed to at it we adequately control their shooting activities,
So unsafe environment, it's like bad for home sales. The developer,

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one of the developers, blake Yantis, said we had no
problem with them being there doing what they did, but
we had a real problem with them shooting bullets into
our property. So it's like in the gun club of
course denies all the allegations. Seventy years there was no
evidence anyone you know, was injured, no accidents, and they're

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saying that the allegations were greatly exaggerated. So it's it's
like a he said sheet that said. Thing kind of
going on. So the courts takeover. They issue a temporary
restraining order. In December of twenty four, all shooting activities
get halted, and that continued like this thing was going

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to trial. Trial was scheduled for May of twenty twenty six.
Just last month it was canceled because the settlement was
reached as this was going on. There was also a
nearby school that briefly school in daycare, that briefly joined
the lawsuit. They got out of this thing once the settlement,
you know, came down. The unusual thing about this settlement

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is that the club's going to pay eight hundred thousand
dollars to who, to the developer. They say, it's not
an admission of guilt, it's just like a business decision
so that they could move on with life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Really getting that money.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
I don't know, I don't know, maybe club dues I
have no idea. The more unusual thing is part of
the settlement was a deed restriction was placed on the
club's property, which permanently prohibits outdoor firearm use even if
ownership changed. So like it's not like they're not going

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to be able to ever shoot outdoors there again unless
this deed restriction some gets modified. So kind of kind
of a bummer. I mean, I can't say if the
allegations are true of like the drinking fraternity and things
like that, but it's like it's an example of like nationally,

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you know, develop development versus existing land use, and and
something that's happening around the country with other shooting ranges
kind of versus expanding residential development and and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, because this dude he's he buys forty acres, Yeah,
and his intention is to put in hundreds of new homes,
but he can't put in all those new homes if
these if these guys are shooting at the shooting range.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Right, someone comes to look at a lot, boom boom boom.
People are like, eh, you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Know, yeah, you know, like being like Kyle's not condos.

Speaker 5 (01:02:59):
Yeah, I was like, yep, exactly. And so there's kind
of this broader issue that that is described as the
legal easee is coming to nuisance, coming to the nuisance.
So for example, a shooting range or a farm or
a racetracker, an airport does its thing for decades. Then

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a developer comes in wants to build a new neighborhood
right next door to this place, and this is where
the problems start.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Ye, it's coming to a nuisance.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Yeah, coming to the nuisance. So some states have range
protection laws to shield established shooting facilities from these kinds
of things, but they don't apply if the plaintiff can
demonstrate like a genuine public safety hazard. So that's what
happened here. But like as an example, like elsewhere around

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the country, who thought that Madison, Alabama would be in
the news twice in one day. I thought, sure, the
difference medicine, But Madison County shooting range in Alabama. Similar
situation going on. It's about projectiles leaving the property. Clearcreek
gun Club in California. This one's a little different. The

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people that are going after this gun club are using
a different strategy, which is permitting an environmental compliance rather
than the shooting activity itself. But it demonstrates how local
governments are like increasingly regulating ranges and however they can
other places Michigan, Colorado, there's there's litigation like this going

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on all over the country. So it's something to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
An eye on. God this Madison County, Alabama places hot yep,
hot on news like that's like Washington, DC over.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
There, yep, hotbed.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I can't believe the settlement was eight hundred thousand, because
how badly did they think they were going to get
it handed to them in court? If that was the
number that they're I don't know, I mean, not even
doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
I guess that, you know, the developer must have demonstrated
this is my guess, must have demonstrated like loss of
sales a certain dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
But they were already there shooting.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
I'm just telling you, like what's going on. They're saying
that it caused them to lose sales, so they demonstrated
a financial loss, is my guess.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I thought the judge was said, you got to give
the gun guys eight hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Dollars for the club, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
I feel like I could picture that, especially in Alabama.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
In Texas, Texas, I thought higher than Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, there you go. Texas is going to hell in
a hand basket.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
So join a jump gun club like way out in
the country.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yeah. I used to belong to a gun club that
was in a like a somewhat populated era area, and man,
that was the strictest gun club I've ever been in.
And they had those you ever see those overhead things.
You couldn't launch one if you wanted to, you were
shooting through a tunnel because they put these they put

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these overhead archway like these overhead barriers every whatever ten yards.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
Ye, so bullets can't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Yeah. It's like there's like picture like big rectangular concrete
slabs sitting on goalposts and if you want to just
just if you're just a freak and wanted to send
one off into the end of the land, you could
have done it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Yeah, And I but I do feel like those big
like indoor ranges are also becoming more popular. Like my
buddy in Denver, he shoots, you know, his deer rifle
at an indoor range. I've been there a couple of times.
Pretty sweet sounds like, And I think, yeah, it is
kind we lost in Boman.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
I didn't know that there's one out on jack Crabit
that just became a law enforcement range instead.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
But that may be the way things, the direction things
go because of things like this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
You ever slung an arrow in a suburban environment?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Many many?

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
My kid's buddy shot up onto the neighbor's place.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I'll tell you the story.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
I'll tell you it was more of a social experiment
than anything.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
I put one over one eighty five in Georgia and
just was waiting a big highway and was just waiting
for the news that night.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yeah, it hard to tell what's going on the other
side of the highway.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
Was just some driver just wa Yeah, Kylets are eating
iguanas in Florida, Oh buddy, like crazy surprising?

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
Yes, I you know, Spencer, you ate a coyote. Would
you imagine it if you that kyote was predating on iguanas?

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
How to impact the taste fatten on iguanas?

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
I bet, I bet somebody would tell me that iguana
tastes like chicken, like porkadjacon, So I can't imagine and
be that much worse than whatever is you know usually
in their.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Diet iguana finished kyote.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Yeah, probably be better than the coyote.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
Oh, so a study published in the journal Journal of
Urban Ecology this year's covering coyote diet in a Floridian
urban area. Quick history on the coyotes in Florida. They
they weren't there at the time of European contact. There's
there's twelve thousand year old fossils and whatnot, but historically

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in recent history they haven't. They haven't been there. A
lot of this is because the red wolf population that
occupied that niche. But as that population declined and was
extrapated from regions of Florida, they moved back in, especially
as suburban sprawl increased. They do really well in suburban
areas and and and their range has increased. Concurrently, iguanas

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have also spread. They were introduced to Florida in the
nineteen sixties via the exotic pet trade and cargo ships,
kind of your typical introduction scheme. But nineteen sixty four
they got a major boost when a pet dealer purposely
released three hundred of them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
That's a crazy number, like non non natives start with
like two four.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
When I was at three hundred, I had an iguana
that escaped out of my house for like two months
during the summer and then one day I saw him
hanging on the screen alive.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Yeah, hung out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Got him back. What was a pet dealer doing with
three hundred iguana? Dude, it's like a mystery pets a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
When he was asking himself, I.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
Definitely think there was a time when it kind of
became fashionable to have these things as pets.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
You know what I mean, I'll be frank with you, man,
like that, that's not an appetizing animal to me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
They get mean when they get as a pen just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Like not an I don't look at it like I
look at a deer.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
Oh you mean to go and eat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Saying I look at it deer, it looks like a
good thing to eat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
When I look at an iguana, I look at a chicken,
for instance, I see a chicken, I'm like, man, someone
should eat that chicken. But when I look at an iguana,
this is not the feeling I get.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
Heyfi, we pull up that picture that coyote holding that iguana.
Oh yeah, oh man, that's cool. Imagine like it just
looks like a pheasant sitting in his mouth.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Yeah, that's that's a big chunk of food for a coyote.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah, he hasn't even bothered to try to kill that
thing either has he.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
They just shake him up. There's a couple of videos
on the internet. You should go find the graving one
iguanas big as he is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I imagine that ends with him just like biting
into their guts. Now, how do you how else do
you think he kills?

Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Shake them and well you eat the guts first, and
you know that's a fact. I'm just getting like other animals,
listen to kyote man, he don't want iguana guts?

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Like, what do you think of those hams?

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
What do you think a kyote does though, to like
make its heart stop eating?

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Shake it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Break its back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I bet he just starts eating.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, he don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
He starts eating in the guts and then dead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I'm just saying the iguana he's got there, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
I just get a live vibe off that or on.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Yeah, no, I agree, That's why I think it ends
with him like putting a paw on his you know
front ar.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Yeah, I mean no, they use that tail like a
whip man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Yeah, I'm all surprised they are going to that size.
Can't almost defend himself against just a little twenty pound kai.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
Well, that's what's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Back to the news story.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
Back to the news story, they'll freeze and just turn
into little iguana pops. They fall out of the trees,
right out of the trees, and his coyotes nom vulnerable.
So going back, if Phil, you'll pull up that picture
of where the study is conducted, just south of Miami,
the epicenter of the three hundred iguana release. They basically

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did a scat pickup study near the Montgomery Botanical Center
where twice weekly for a year, they followed a trail
and picked up one hundred and twenty scat samples. They
then dissected those and put it into two hundred and
thirty one different identifiable identifiable food items. And then you
can see this is broken down month and what's it

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just to call out this is occurrence, not volume. So
if they found one occurrence of a seed that is
categorized the same as a giant chunk of iguana ham
or whatever it may be. So there's a little bit
of nuance that they could dive into more. But seventy
four instances of grass, ninety five of various plants, which
stretches the whole gambit of avocados, mangoes, palm seeds or

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not palm seeds but other fruits and vegetables, twenty six
instances of iguanas, and then twenty three instances of palm seeds,
and then onesie twosies of crabs, snails and shells.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Extreme onesies twosies. Yes, it's like what they're not eating
is bird feathers, gravel, snails and crabs and mammals. There
were zero instances of mammal.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Fur and bird bones are only five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yes, and so there's also the total zeros aren't even
on the way exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
There's things that they literally did not find evidence of
mammal fur.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Damn.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
And so you're my first thought is the iguana pops like, hey,
they're just eating them in the winter, they freeze, they
fall out of the tree and opportunistic kyot goes and
eats them, and anecdotally that's that. There's reports of that.
But if you look in that June column, there's just
as there's six occurrences of iguana in the scat that's
the same, that's one less than January, which is the
peak at seven. And then it's pretty evenly distributed except

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in March and April, which points to when the fruiting
trees are like when the plant mass is kind of best.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Palm seeds really palm seeds pick up when iguanas drop.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
Off, Yes, yep, and so like it's more the same
of a kyotes are awesome, opportunity to stay hunters.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
That's not true. Tell me is that in March and April,
there's it's zero's across the board. It's like they're not
It's like there's nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
They moved out March in April they only had they
had zero samples.

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
Right, so they they're they didn't find any scat on
that track that they follow. Oh so I see, yeah,
get me samples, so we don't know there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
So like if you take June for instance, and when
they did their June scat walk, they picked up fourteen samples. Okay,
of those samples, six of the samples had grass, nine
of the samples had just plants whatever. That means. Six
of the samples had iguana meat, three had palm seeds,

(01:14:25):
one had gravel in it, and one had snail in it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:28):
And if you go up to January, every single piece
of scat had iguana in it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Yeah, if this informed everything you knew about a coyotes diet,
you'd be like, they primarily eat iguana. Yeah, they're iguanavores.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Oh, I like that's I'd like to know if they're
doing this because this, like the the ecosystem of South
Florida is so screwed up that there are no like
mammals for them, or it's just like eating what there
is the most of available, you know, Yeah, easiest path
of you.

Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
Know, it's it's definitely an element of the easiest. It's
there's an interesting discussion of like a non native species
that's all that and is intersecting with potentially a neo
native or a naturalized species. I've asked Jim a Jim Hefflefinger,
the Dear Preacher, about his thoughts on on the neo
native classification.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
He doesn't like it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
He thinks it's just a shiny Why not, it's just
a shiny new word that doesn't really mean what what word?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Does? He like? Naturalized? Oh, sure, it's just what it is.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
So this is like a naturalized species, Say, yeah, I
think it's I think it's better that is just has
naturally expanded the range, not a human introduction and local
biologists are all about the predation of these iguanas, but
it's not going to solve the problem by any means.
If you imported like a thousand, maybe, but you're probably

(01:15:50):
gonna run into human conflicts before you run and run
out of iguanas.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Who thought? Who thought?

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
But they got iguana bird iguana dogs chasing down iguanas.
Now down there, it's great, great fun, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Where we When we were in Key West, when I
found a flyer for an outfitter offering U day hunts
like eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Bucks, it's air gon iguanas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Yeah, I got I.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
Uh, I caught one on a fly once when I
was down fishing Nick dragging that thing across the sand
that I want to jump right on it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
That should get you like an A plus plus on
that environmental friendliness scale nonnative local over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
To me tungsten, Well, first, I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
I want to get I want to give people a
glimpse into the inner workings of of what we cover
and don't cover.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
You see how I see the first word I have there?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
It's my favorite subject.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Grand Platner.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
I want to have to talk about them for a
much longer.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
I've wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
But okay, here's the here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
The news show has a certain promise where we deal
with ish us have to do with natural resources, hunting, fishing, conservation,
outdoor stuff what we talk about now. So we would
never be able to talk about a political candidate, right,
can't do that. But this guy that was running in
Maine was an oyster farmer. So then I kept thinking,
are we allowed to talk about a Senate candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Who's an oyster farmer and kind of an oyster farmer?

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
Yeah, he's got one client.

Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
To be clear, this goes back before what just happened
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Oh yeah, this has been this has been vexing me
for months because what happened is in Maine, there's these
there's these progressive Democrat operatives who have made it their
project is to travel around the country looking for what
they deemed to be working class progressives that they'll that

(01:17:54):
they'll promote into being politicians. So they track down this
grand Platter guy. See some video he made about oyster farming.
And the one way to tell if someone has working
class bona fides would be that you'd go ask working
class people. But they don't know about that. They think

(01:18:14):
because he's got an oyster farm. He's like a working
class guy, but his oyster farm.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
His only client is his mom.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
His dad is a lawyer. He went to boarding school,
he served in the Marines. Says he bought a house
on a VA loan. His dad bought finance the house.
Has a SS tattoo on his chest, a total comp
a Nazi tattoo on his chest. The vetting on this

(01:18:44):
guy was terrible, and I kept wanting to talk about it,
but I can't because it's not part of our deal.
And then I was like, well, he is an oyster farmer,
but not really, and now he's dropping out of the race.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
So I missed my chance.

Speaker 6 (01:18:56):
Yeah, he was like a cosplay and oyster farmer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
I missed my chance.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Did he officially drop out?

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Everyone? Because here's the deal that, here's the deal. They've
like by the time his airs, he might be yeah, yeah,
like it is in some circles, it is that, and
I'm I'm treading in very very very dangerous delicate territory
right now. But in some circles, on some crimes, an

(01:19:23):
accusation is equivalent to guilt, and in his affiliation, in
his party affiliation, would be an accusation is equivalent to guilt.
He has been accused of sexual misconduct, which is equivalent
to being guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
They're on that's the rule they made and he has
to live by the rule. So we can't talk about him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
But I'm gonna talk about tungsten, and we've been like,
but to talk about tungsten, I want to talk about
my kids in Ammo cans. Okay, everyone knows an Ammo can,
a green metal Ammo can, fifty or thirty cow just
ammal cans. My kids only know ammal cans through the

(01:20:06):
context of geocash of a geocache. They have just out
of shit luck. They have stumbled into two geocaches, but
not geocachhing. Geocashing is like you take an animal can
and put some fun stuff in it and hide it
and then guys use GPS.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
It's kind of like an early GPS thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
You can go use GPS and you'll see that there's
a pin in some remote area and you go to
that pin and be like lo and behold, here's a
geocash and you take a little trinket out of it,
and you leave a trinket in it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
We did in my high school computer class to learn
how to use a handheld GPS.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Got it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
I had a brief fling with geocashing and the best
one I found was it was on a you know,
like a little electrical box, and I was standing on
top of it, could not find it. And it was
a magnetic bolt head on the side of the electrical box.
And you just barely uncreative.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Is great. So my kids, just out of total ship luck,
have stumbled into two of these boxes.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
Did they pill for it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I told them, you take something to leave something? Oh,
I got so in their head.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Then we're at my buddies and there's an AMMO can
in his gun room and they're like, he took the
geo because in their head an Ammo can isn't an
Ammo can, and their head an Ammo can is a
geocash can. This is me and tungsten because I've only known, like,

(01:21:41):
when I hear the word tungsten, I have thought of
like turkey bullets, TSS, tungsten supershot. And then all of
a sudden I started hearing about the tungues in this
toungues and that, and I've been forced to like come
to terms with the broader scale of tungsten outside.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
Of Turkey amo't weigh real heavily on the nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
It's like if you looked at all the ammal cans
on the planet and what they're doing, how many are geocaching? Yeah? None. Well,
my view on tungsten was TSS tungsten super shot, And
now I'm like waking up to this whole world of tungsten.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Yeah, if there was a pie charge for all the tungsten,
that would just be like folded into other or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
It's the other of the other.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Yeah, ten to fifteen percent of tungsten goes to munitions,
but that's military munitions. They use it in cluster bombs,
they use it in uh what else I have here
about warhead missile, warheads, tank ammunition, These like these penetrator bolts,
tungsten penetrator bolts which aren't as incendiarias depleted uranium. And

(01:22:48):
also you can use them in areas where if they're
going to be littering the battlefield, you don't have to
worry about little kids playing with depleted uranium in the future.
Use tungsten bolts. Military uses tons of this stuff World
War two. There's a thing called the Wolfram Crisis. The
Nazis were using anti tank rounds made out of tungsten rods.

(01:23:10):
The Spaniards were selling it to them. The Wolfram Crisis
is when the US had to go over to the
Spain and threaten roughing them up to stop selling the
Nazis tungsten. This is the whole world of tungsten.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Now, tungsten prices.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Pull up that chart.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Look at tungsten prices right now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Oh, look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
They've since dropped off a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
So you go twenty ten, all these years, you can
think of all these years as US just shooting all
kinds of turkeys.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
It was basically free shooting all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Kinds of turkeys twenty fifteen, twenty twenty, and tungsten is
basically like they're giving it away. Okay, It's like it's like,
what would that be, like two hundred and fifty bucks
perse one dry metric ton unit of tungsten or equivalent
to seven point nine to three kilograms of tungsten you

(01:24:13):
could get for about two hundred and fifty bucks. Then
it just right now with the warrant Iran and some
other issues, three thousand bucks for seventeen pounds for seventeen
pounds of tungsten, it goes crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
China is hoarding the turkey.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
AMMO like, China has been very strategic about tungsten.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
They're like those American turkey hunters.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Because they want to mantick it to the turkey hunters.
The Chinese they're like when they think of what bugs them,
they're like Taiwan. It's the tease Taiwan and turkeys, turkey hunters.
So then it's like a strategic metal. They call it
a war medal. Okay, it's of that strategic significance. So

(01:24:58):
now me still thinking about tungsten. When I see the
word tungsten, I'm thinking about turkey schnitzel. Now it's all
over reported all over the place about this new sort
of like political scandal coming out of the tungsten world.
There's a huge reserve of tungsten in Kazakhstan. I don't
know about how many turkeys they got, but they got

(01:25:20):
boatloads of tungsten in Kazakhstan. The Commerce secretary, Trump's Commerce secretary,
Howard Lutnik. Earlier, I was going to make a saucy
Epstein tie in to try to make the story seem
more saucy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
It's tenuous. He was on Epstein's Island.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Yeah, all the debate about who was and wasn't this
he went.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
He took his family for life.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Yes, he said it could be the Howard Luttnik files basically, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Yeah, he of all the guys were or were not
or never did, but did this gentleman had lunch there
with his family.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
He meets with the President of Kazakhstan about all this turkey.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
No wild turkeys just looked at it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
Well, they do have interactions with turks, but it's from
the country, not so when they think the turks, yeah,
they're thinking of their neighbors.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
So he meets with them about how we're gonna go
get all this tss, all this tungsten.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
Like, my god, I gotta take care of those turkeys
out of Kazakhstan.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Okay, they make they agree. They get the President of
Kazakhstan to agree to let a little known US mining,
a little known mining organization get a contract to go
do the thing, all right, to go do the mind

(01:26:42):
then they vow it hasn't been handed over yet, but
the Trump administration vows one point six billion in federal
financing to invest in and get the tungsten mine up
and running. So now you're pictureing just tungsten super shot
flowing into ammost all around the world.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
That one point six million was going to that small
mining company.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah, they're under yeah, they're like, they're they're yeah, incentivising, lubricating,
making a vow for funding initial investment funding. And also
there's some other money where the US would actually take
a steak in the mind. But then this is the
weird part, and this is like this is even reporting
the New York Post, which is like a very conservative publication,

(01:27:27):
like a very Trump friendly publication. The New York Post
is even saying that this deal stinks because Trump's boys
then turn around and take a twenty percent steak in
a corporate entity tied to the mine. Lutnick's boys take
on the banking function of going out and finding the investors.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
All around Turkey.

Speaker 6 (01:27:52):
Ammo, Well, when this gets investigated, it will get investigated.
Don juniors can be like, dude, I was hot on
this for my Turkey hunting exploits.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
It'll want, but it'll whine investigated.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
It's already getting investigated. It'll get investigated, but it won't
happen because like remember with it. It's like it's like
it's exactly like the Hunter Biden situation, Hunter Biden Bresma
in Ukraine, and it's it's this situation here. It's exactly
the same. But it is all end in partans, it'll
end in partons. All this reporting about this tungsten deal,

(01:28:26):
which not like my whole tongusten epiphany, my whole tongusen
education of like what what is up with this metal?
Part of this reporting comes out of these financial disclosures,
right or like a lot of like a lot of investigation,
the financial disclosures where Trump made two point two billion

(01:28:47):
during his first year in office, up from six hundred
and twenty two million, or a third as much the
year before he returned to the White House. So again,
even the New York Post is like, what is up
with the tungsten deal? If tungsten prices come back down

(01:29:07):
and and and turkey hunters are once again flushed with tungsten,
super shot, I'll look the other.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Way, Okay, I'll look your pardon.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
In the end, you know, it was the right thing
for the American turkey hunter. No, I don't know. It's
kind of crazy. It is a hot. It's weird to
see a metal like gold. Like gold drove world politics
for centuries. I mean gold drove world politics. It put

(01:29:40):
governments in power, it took governments.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Out of power.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
It led to the colonial enterprises around the globe and
the now like in this moment, it is Tungsten's It's
like Tungsten's time to shine. Yep. From a lowly turkey
Ammo to the front pages of the New York Posts
and the New York Times. Tungsten. That's it, tungsten.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
If you want to look like a real know it all,
start calling tungsten wolf.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Ram mm, why this is another word for it. Oh,
let me tell you this last thing about tungsten. It
doesn't come out of the ground looking like what you think,
like turkey pellets. Yeah, it comes out of the grass,
you know. Just mine out number nine tungsten shot. No,

(01:30:37):
it's a real elaborate process to get it. But I
was watching a video of a bullet hitting the block
of tungsten. The bullet vaporizes against the block of tongue.
It vaporizes against the tungsten. O Eankstra joining the news show,
Ladies and Gentlemen, Max has got some good four to

(01:30:57):
ten tungus, and he bought us extreme even discount from
a from a poor guy that didn't know what he had.

Speaker 6 (01:31:03):
Dude, you want to know how those Uranian kind of
traders work.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
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