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October 22, 2024 • 51 mins

On this episode of The Middle we're co-partnering with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's Cross Country Checkup to broadcast live from WDET in Detroit, Michigan for a cross-border conversation about what's at stake for Americans and Canadians ahead of the U.S. Presidential Election. Jeremy is joined by Cross Country Checkup host Ian Hanomansing, Democratic Strategist Yvette Simpson, Republican Strategist T.W. Arrighi and Univision Anchor Enrique Acevedo. #Trump #Harris #2024 #Canada #trade #voting #climatechange #economy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Middle podcast listeners, We've got another hour of our
live special that we did on Sunday, October twentieth from
WDET in Detroit, Michigan. I'm Jeremy Hobson and I've got
in Hannimancing from the CBC.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
With me, the host of a program called Cross Country Checkup.
But we did a Canada US wide call in show
that people are about to hear hour too.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Long exactly, So hope you enjoyed the first hour of
this and now please enjoy the second hour.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello to Michigan. We win Michigan, We win.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
The whole ballgain.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
It is so good to be back in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
We are live in Detroit, Michigan.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Someone who suggests we should terminate the Constitution of the
United States should never again stand behind the Seal of
the United States.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hi, I am me and Hannah Mancing, the host of
Cross Country Checkup in Canada.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
We will make America great again. And I'm Jeremy Hobson
of the Middle in the United States, and we're live
from WDET in Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Number one issue for me in this election and definitely
the economy.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
And affordable housing.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I have had to relocate because hallising and depfor has
become so ridiculously high.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Our question, what is at stake for you in this
US election? Call us at one eight eight eight four
one six eight three three three one eight eight eight
four one six eight three three three.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
My biggest concern is Canada's national security. Donald Trump has
made speeches about.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
Not being very much in favor of the NATO Alliance.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
We're taking calls from both sides of the border across
Canada and the United States, from Kansas City to Birmingham, Alabama,
Nevada to North Dakota.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm Ian Hannah Manson and I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is
America Votes across Border Conversation a co production between CBC
The Middle and wdet in Detroit. We have two political
st strategist here with US. T. W Ariggy is a
Republican strategist, former communications aid to Mike Pompeo and Senator
Lindsay Graham. He joins US from Washington.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
D C.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Vett Simpson is a Democratic strategist. She also served as
CEO of Democracy for America, which organized to defeat Republican candidates,
and she joins US from Cincinnati, Ohio. I vet Let
me begin with you. We heard, so we discussed a
little bit of this for our listeners who were with
us last hour. The first presidential election since the Dobbs decision,

(02:30):
which overturned Roe v. Wade and sent abortion right decisions
back to the states. I know that Democrats hope that
becomes an issue in this election. Do you think that's
turned out to be the case though so far?

Speaker 7 (02:44):
I think we can do more. I mean, I think
we need to talk about the issue more. I think
during the debate, Donald Trump's been kind of backing down
on whether or not there will be a nationwide ban.
I think she should hold him to that. You know,
says one thing, does another. I think the fact that
we were able to win some amazing state valid initiatives
that weren't necessarily blue states shows that people care about it.

(03:06):
It's interesting too that typically people who don't support constituencies
who don't support abortion still don't want the government to
make that decision. So we've been able to bring some
constituencies that were not just women who typically are not
supporters of abortion because they just don't think the government
should make the decision. And also the questions about how
extensive the government is going to get into people's business.

(03:27):
You know, are you able to go see your doctor
without government intervention? Can you cross the state line to
get care? Will they allow the abortion pill to be
transported across state lines? And how will they enforce this?
So I wish we were talking about it more. I
think it is a very important issue, especially for women
in our country who typically kind of we know what
happened with Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen with women. We're

(03:50):
seeing a lot more women on the Democratic side supporting
Kamala Harris this time and is part.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Of I'm sorry, thank you, and tw from the Republican side.
How concerning for you is abortion as an issue in
this election.

Speaker 8 (04:03):
Yeah, it's a big issue for Democrats, for sure. I
hear it all the time. I know single issue voters
on abortion who are who believe abortion rights are a
god given right. And I know single issue voters also
working Republican politics who think abortion is murdered. So there
are people on both sides, but it is a galvanizing
issue for Democrats. But I sort of agree with Ruth

(04:25):
Bader Ginsburg's original opinion on.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
Roe v.

Speaker 8 (04:29):
Wade, which was she wished it was never decided left
to the states because people can take better ownership of
the issue, and states were already coming up with their
own laws that were in line with what the rule
eventually became. And what you're seeing now is as all
these states make their voices heard through referendums and through laws,
that we're coming to a patchwork framework for abortion rights

(04:54):
all over the country. Donald Trump's made it clear he
does not support a ban. He's the force IVF treatment.
And right now, how ownership is on this issue is
with the people where it belongs, not nine unelected people
in robes in Washington.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
D C.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Tw Riggi, a Republican strategist, former communications aid to Mike Pompeo,
and Lindsay Graham Oft Simpson, democratic strategist, former CEO of
Democracy for America, And they're staying with us throughout the hour.
If you're tuning in anywhere across Canada or the United States,
you can give us a call. What's at stake for
you in this upcoming US election? One eight eight eight

(05:28):
four one six eight three three three or text two
two six seven five eight eight nine two four.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
And we want to hear from you, no matter your view.
Are you a Trump supporter. Are you independent? Are you
a Harris supporter? Are you somebody in Canada who can't
vote but cares a lot about what happens in this election.
Speaking of which, let's go to cheryln Effer, who is
joining us from uh Ontario. Yeah, you tell me, how
do you say?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, you know what, I don't actually know. I'm guess
you're selling Ontario.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Sell in Ontario, Cheryl, and welcome and tell us what
what is at stake for you or what are you
thinking about ahead of the US election?

Speaker 9 (06:00):
Okay? Number one? If I could vote, I would vote
Donald Trump. I lived in the United States for thirty
one years as a Canadian. I have two children who
live down there. Both of them vote Trump. Their spouses
vote Trump. My grandson was in the United States Air
Force and he upped once and stayed in. He had

(06:23):
he had to make a choice by August if he
was going to up again or you know, then they
get out. He purposely got out for fear that the
Democrats would get back in.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
What is he worried about with the Democrats getting back in.

Speaker 9 (06:37):
When he had to go off on you know when
they get sent off to different areas. Of course, you
can't say where you are, you can't solve anything. He
just he just doesn't like their their strategy. He didn't
feel safe. He said, he's not the only one leaving
the services because of it. And he just he just

(06:57):
got out now, getting out because of all his training
in there. He's got a fantastic job. He got hired
right away with a six digitous salary start.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
But but Charlyn, I'm kind of curious, right if he
loves what he does and it's important what he does
and he's thinking of leaving it if the Democrats did.

Speaker 10 (07:14):
He left.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
He left because the Democrats won. But give me a
specific example of what it was that he felt made
his role in the military less safe or less stable.

Speaker 9 (07:26):
Just the uncertainty of what they're getting their country into,
like just not being there politically, I guess with making
the right choices. He just really felt like it was
a dangerous place to be in the service in the
United States right now. And my other grandson, he just

(07:48):
started to vote this year. He said, Grandma, I got
to vote this year because he just turned the age
he could. And I said, who did you vote for?
And he said, I voted for Trump. So they're all
voting for Trump. And the reason is is because of
the policies they like to get their country back on track.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, CHERYLN. Sharylon, let me ask you one more thing
real quick before we let you go, which is, did
did they say anything about Trump's calling, you know, POW's
suckers and losers, which has been in the news a lot.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
No.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
See, they don't even they're not even going to listen
to all that stuff. Like my son, he said, no,
there's so much battering back and forth. They just they've
already voted. He voted already early and they've all voted Trump.
But the other thing is where my son works. He said,
there's a lot of Union people in there, and he says,
Mommy said, they usually always vote Democrat and I said

(08:41):
they do. He said, oh yeah, but he said, everybody
under me it's voting Trump this time.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Okay, right, okay, Cherylyn, thank you very much for calling.
Let's go to Gainesville, Florida, and Ray carriffew is on
the line. Hi.

Speaker 11 (08:55):
Ray, you know, I consider my for me. The man
issue makes all all these other issues moved, and that
is namely global warming in the environment. And it's just
obvious with Trump stands, and you know, in the Republican
Party in general, her and Florida, our previous governor made
it censored the even use of the word climate change.
So you know, it's a no brainer for me, you know,

(09:18):
I mean, just the idea for a drill, baby drill,
you know.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
So, I feel like Florida would be an interesting place
to have a strong feeling about climate the climate crisis
because on the one hand, you were seeing the impact
of that over time. I know, no individual storm can
be attributed to climate change, but over time, more storms
and greater magnitude, you've certainly see that in your state.
At the same time, politically, I feel like kind of

(09:42):
a hard sell when you're talking to people about climate policies.
What is it like in your personal life when you
tell them that's the big issue for you.

Speaker 11 (09:50):
Well, for one thing, you know, I originally I'm Miami native.
When I moved up here last year, and the bottom
line being as a kid going to elementary school that
ever Glade Elementary school, I used to occasionally we'd bundle
up and we'd see occasional frost and the palm trees
get a little burned and stuff, and you know, there's
been ages since that's the curret. And of course, you

(10:10):
know the tide issue in Miami, so yeah, of course
it's affected me. You know, you can't go down Biscayne
Boulevard and if it's if it's one of the uh
you know, spring tides and god forbid, we got to
you know, westerly wind. So yeah, I mean, and the
bottom line is that it's going to gradually affect every

(10:31):
issue basically, you know, if you maybe you know, uh,
it's kind of a stretch, but basically every issue mentioned
is going to be affected by global warming, climate change
and the environment in general. And I mean it's just
it's just obvious that which side is on the side,
and you know, in liign with the rest of the world.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
So are you the only person in your friend group
who's talking about this or does it come up a lot?

Speaker 11 (10:59):
No, We'll here at Gainsville is a college town, you know,
and you know we uh, we were up on issues
like this, and you know, I was. I was a
merchant seamen, so I mean, I haven't been an academy
in a long time, but I'm just retired and back,
so you know, and of course I've seen a lot
of changes at c too. So just I find that

(11:23):
that's ultimate. I mean it is you know, it's not
so immediate, but I mean for our children it will be.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know, thank you so much for that call.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Ray.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I just want to briefly bring in t w or
Riggy because Ray just went through Hurricane Milton. Do you
think that, And of course we know that the Biden
administration passed the Act that is the largest climate legislation
in the history of the world. Do you think what
do you think happens on the issue of climate change
if Trump wins?

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Yeah, I think Donald Trump is actually a lot more
I suppose progress on the issue of climate change.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
And most people give.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
Him credit for he's always advocated for clear air, clear water.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
He wants now.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
Bobby Kennedy to have a large role in the climate
thing in the Climate Office. That's actually one of Bobby
Kennedy's pet issues. But look, here's the deal about climate change.
I'm all for doing what we can, but we cannot
be regressive when it comes to implementing enforcing expensive clean
technologies on people, because at the end of the day,

(12:31):
regardless of what we do, we go to net emissions
zero tomorrow. In China, in China and India will continually
pollute and do more and more and more and negate
anything we do. So I'm happy that in America one
of the great things we have is this great robust
population of entrepreneurs and inventors who are making this new

(12:53):
technology cheaper better by Elon Musk and others.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Who's supporting support. We got to stop you right there
and just remind ours listeners that you are listening to
America Votes Across Border Conversation across Canada. In the US.
You can listen live on the CBC Listen app or
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(13:18):
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You can go to CVC dot ca A slash air check.
We've got a caller calling from Calgary. Calgary. Yes, Cheryl

(13:44):
slufar is with us from Calgary.

Speaker 11 (13:46):
Cheryl.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
What's that's what's at stake for you in this election?

Speaker 12 (13:50):
Well, what's at stake for me? The top issue is
losing my life living in a democracy and in a
civil society.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
What you mean by that?

Speaker 12 (14:00):
Like, I've enjoyed political discussions ever since my dad started
talking to me as a child. And that's not really
happening anymore.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Why not because of what's happening in the United States.

Speaker 12 (14:15):
Well, we're very connected, as some people have shared, and
I did they mention I live in Alberta. We are
very connected. A civil society is like where you can
have an election, And it wasn't that long ago that
we would have elections and candidates and conversations on the
street and in our homes were heated, but there they
were respectful, Like at a basic human level, we respected

(14:38):
each other, and we respected the differences in our parties.
We respected that they had different platforms and different angles.
Somewhere one party would be more leaning towards business and
money and maybe a little bit towards male dominance, and
the other party might lean a little more towards sharing
what we had, if we had enough to share, and

(14:58):
giving people to control over their own bodies. And these
are big differences, but we were able to find a
human balance because we were civil to each other. And
I'm very emotional about it because i feel like we're
losing a lot. I call it democracy, but it's really
our human connection.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Cheryl, thank you very much for that call. It's interesting
in to think about how you mentioned this earlier, how
the US political dynamic crosses the border and affects the
politics in Canada and in other places as well. I mean,
we saw the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, former
Prime Minister now Boris Johnson, a lot of people compared
him to Trump. The new president of Argentina, a lot

(15:41):
of people compare him to Trump. The former president of Brazil, Bolsonaro,
a lot of people compared him to Trump.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, it's interesting on your perspective. I've been talking
to people in Michigan the last three days now, I guess,
and I've heard people, including people who say they're going
to vote for Kamala Harris, who say, you know, at
least Donald Trump tells the truth. At least he's honest
at least, you know, he cuts through all the bs.
I've heard all of those comments from people just chatting
with them in the last few days. So that's how

(16:08):
some people see it. Other people see it as a coarseness,
as a lack of civility. But either way, whether it
appeals to you or it repels you, I think it
is something that politicians around the world, including in Canada,
some politicians have seen and in some cases they have
decided that it's something that they want to copy. Let's
go back to the phones now, and a reminder, if
you're in the United States, if you're in Canada, you

(16:30):
can call us one eight eight eight four one six
eight three three three. Not only will we be hearing
voices from both of those countries, but actually a voice
from Mexico coming up in just a moment. But right
now Dwayne Genus is calling us from Richmond Hill, Ontario. Hi, Dane, Hi,
how you doing. I'm doing well? So what's at stake
for you in this US election? As a Canadian?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know, you know, it is very interesting. You know,
I'm background is in Canada about my parents of Jamaican,
so you know, my ethnicity is black, and you know,
I just find that the perspective, it's almost as if
people are not hearing what each other is saying, and

(17:13):
everything is there are certain perspectives that are critical perspectives
that are being missed, and I think that it's really
a shame because we don't really get to solving the
real issues. You know, onhn the Donald Trumps side, you know,
people will look at him, many people will say, you know,
he's crazy. But at the same time, if he was

(17:35):
so crazy, why is the race so close? We got
to ask a question. There's a lot of people who
support his perspective, and you know, you have to kind
of really look back in history and say, you know,
a lot of the reasons why these things exist is

(17:55):
because you know, they're they're part of the underpinning of
a marria in history, right like if reconstruction, all of
these things, you know, they've never really been solved. And
so you know, as you know, sometimes we don't want
to bring up those controversial issues, you know, as you know,
you know a black person, you know, when I look

(18:17):
at the the Democratic side, I always see that the
Democrats always come to the black community every four years
for their vote and they always get it. But at
the same time, you know, I wish our community would
be more organized and say, Okay, these are our list
of demands, and whichever party would support those demands, that's

(18:41):
who I would vote for. It's not just the vote,
but because you know, the lack of organizations, it doesn't
matter who wins the election, the black munty doesn't get
anything because they're not consolidated. So I think, you know,
I think, you know, unfortunately, you know, for Black Americans,

(19:03):
you know, it seems as if you know, a lot
of people are talking about black men not coming to vote.
At the end of the day, they feel it doesn't
matter that they're not going to get anything right and
that that's a big problem.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Duane, let me ask you one last question. I interviewed
the author Malcolm Gladwell last week in Vancouver. His mother
is of Jamaican descent and she was and Malcolm was
saying that his mother is all in with Kamala Harris
because of the ethnic ties. Do you feel you touched
on it before, but I don't know if you're in
contact with Jamaican people of Jamaican descent in the United States,

(19:41):
But do you think that Jamaican connection is something that's
important to to a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Well, I think I think some people just because of
that connection, they feel that they would empathize with the
struggles that they have. But you know, I mean, Kamala
Harris doesn't have a lot of relationship with their father, right,
Like we know this. It's there was a comment that
she made about marijuana a while back, and the father was,

(20:09):
you know me as a Jamaican heritage, you know, it's
it was highly offensive in my family, and so you know,
it's it doesn't always translate, right, and I think you know,
it's uh, Unfortunately, we are not understanding the perspectives that

(20:33):
are that are that are the perspectives are being lost.
The Republicans have have have have de concerns that that
they are not being acknowledged by the Democrats. And a
lot of times, thank.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
You very much for your call. Storry to cut you off,
but we just have so much we want to get
through before the end of the hour. But I certainly
do appreciate you calling in.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's interesting to hear about the Vice president Jamaican heritage.
I was in Birmingham, Alabama a couple of months ago.
The day that, or maybe the day after Harris replaced
Biden as the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party. And
I was meeting with a group of Indian Americans there
and they didn't They were very mixed on whether they

(21:19):
were excited or not about the possibility of the first
Indian American which Kamala Harris' mother is Indian, is Indian,
first Indian American president, which was just very interesting to
think about it.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, and Duane points out the fact that politics has
complicated people's backgrounds were complicated, and just because you share
kind of an ethnic tie to Jamaica doesn't necessarily mean
that that's the overriding characteristic.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Let's go to a special guest who is joining us
from Mexico City. You've probably seen him on TV or
on the internet in the last few days. Award winning
journalist Enrique A. Sevedo. He recently hosted two town halls
for Univision, which is a major Spanish language network in
the United States. The town halls gave both Donald Trump
and Kamala Harris the opportunity to hear directly from Spanish

(22:05):
speaking voters. And Rique joins us now from Mexico city
and Rique so great to have you with us.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
That's a pleasure. Thank you for having me on Dream.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, and you conducted these town halls, What were the
things that stood out to you. I'm going to talk
about one moment that has sort of gone viral, But
what stood out to you from the candidates?

Speaker 6 (22:25):
Well, I think we're.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
Used to seeing both candidates in a different setting, large crowds,
the massive political events, and under this format, we were
able to see them interact one on one with the
voters and answer their questions directly. I was basically just
moderating that conversation. So I thought it was it was personal,

(22:49):
It was culturally relevant because there were questions that carried
a lot of emotion and personal stories. And it wasn't
just seeing that interact from a policy perspective or from
a campaign platform answer, but also seeing how they personally

(23:10):
reacted to those emotions and those personal stories that the
voters shared with them.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Well, and there was a moment when a man at
a town hall with Donald Trump asked Trump to try
and win back his vote, and he was very upset
about what happened on January sixth, and he gave Trump
a chance to respond and that moment went viral, and
in fact, it was even spoofed last night on Saturday
Night Live. Let's listen to a little bit of that.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
Mister President, I want to give you the opportunity to
win back my vote after what happened on January sixth, Well,
why would I support you?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You know, I'm just going to make it crystal clear, Okay,
January six was a day of love, all right, love
and peace.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
It was basically wood Stock people were being peaceful.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Ery que. He actually did say that January six was
a day of love. Of course, we know it was
not that at all. But what do you think of
that moment and the fact that that went viral?

Speaker 10 (24:04):
Well, I think, like I said, the voters had a
chance to interact directly with the candidates, and in this case,
Ramido who asked that question, he was concerned about what
happened in January sixth, concerned about what he thought was
the mishandling of the pandemic under the Trump administration, and

(24:28):
he was very frank and direct with his question. I
think the premise of giving Trump the chance the opportunity
to win back his voat was probably what said of
the former president more than the question itself. I think
the fact that the voter was empowered and was speaking

(24:50):
from a place of you know, you have to do
the work to convince me, and I'm going to give
you the chance.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
To do it.

Speaker 10 (24:56):
I thought that that was incredibly, incredibly powerful, and I'm
happy that these voters are all Latino undecided voters had
the chance to ask those questions, tough questions for both candidates.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
You know, in this special right now, we're talking to
listeners across the United States and Canada. Obviously a very
big border between the two countries, but not the border
that is the target of those who want really a
tough crackdown on immigration. That really has to do with
the southern border with Mexico and people coming from much

(25:29):
further to the south even than Mexico. Why do you
think so many Latinos in the United States are undecided
at this point? How is that issue of border security
and immigration playing out among the many different factions of
the Latino community in the United States.

Speaker 10 (25:46):
Yeah, and I love the fact that me joining from
Mexico makes this a North Americans.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Exactly like the.

Speaker 10 (25:53):
Three countries involved now USNC eight. Well, you're right, the
US and kind of share the largest border in the world,
and it's never been an issue, and it's never been
a problem or seen as a national security threat. Of course,
the South border, the one Mexico and the US share,

(26:14):
has has fed a political myth that that has allowed
both parties to win boats. And what I mean by
your political myth is this idea that the border is
unsecure and and the reason why millions of people choose

(26:34):
to to travel and and and cross the border into
the US. The reason why they do that is not
because of what's happening at the border. It has to
do with the conditions back in their home countries. And
more factors are becoming part of that decision, like climate
change or even the pandemic or the consequences the pandemic had.

(26:57):
But to go back to your question, I think, well,
they basically the appeal of Donald Trump with Latino voters
has to do with the fact that many Latinos consider
themselves a social conservatives, and for many of them, the
Democratic Party has gone too far to the left on

(27:17):
social issues like women's reproductive held like identity, and I
think that explains in part why Donald Trump has the
largest lead for a Republican candidate in recent history. Among

(27:38):
Latino voters, he's pulling close to forty percent, which is
unheard of for a Republican candidate. The other part, I
would say it has to do with this idea that
Latino's care of our immigration has a priority, but it's
really more an identity issue. And with more than two

(27:58):
thirds of the Latino electorate being a US born and
not for generation immigrants, there became more and more like
the rest of the electorate. So what I mean by
that is immigration is it's an identity issue. It's a
personal issue, but it's not a priority. They care about
the economy and jobs and education and health because for them,

(28:19):
the story of immigration is not a one that they
personally experience like their parents.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Rickie, we've been talking about what is at stake for
Canada in this US election? What about Mexico. I remember
after Trump one in twenty sixteen, they were saying, please
stop talking about the border wall. It's knocking the value
of the peso down every time you do that. What's
at stake this time for Mexico which has a new president.

Speaker 10 (28:47):
Yes, we just elected our first female president, Klalia Schambaum,
And I think a lot. It's at stake for Mexico.
We are the US main trading partner, then Canada and China.
But so first of all, the idea that both candidates
are sounding more and more protectionists or supporting protectionist policies

(29:15):
is something of concern, I would say for Mexico at
a time where Mexico has an incredible opportunity to take
advantage of a lot of the investments that have look
for alternatives.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
To China and.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
What they had in other places. So there's that, there's commerce,
but there's also security cooperation and the fact that there
are thirty five million Mexican Americans living in the US
that we share a border where twelve million people, you know,
work and study and leave on both sides of that border.

(29:52):
So in terms of economic stability, security, regional security, in
terms of just the cultural relevance and the political importance
that Mexico has and the US has in Mexico, I
think that this is the most important election for Mexico
and Mexicans after the one we just had in on June.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Second, finally, let me just ask you and Riquet a
question that I can ask you because you're in another
country right now. Who's going to win the election. Who's
Mexico I think is going to win the election.

Speaker 10 (30:22):
That's a tough question. I think it's it's too close
to make any predictions. I think we've learned that. You know,
I'm sure Kamala Harris is going to win the popular
vote like it's happened in seven of the last eight
elections with Democrats. Hillary Clinton won by more than three

(30:44):
and a half million votes and still lost the election.
So I think Democrats are going to win the popular vote,
and I think it's going to come down and we
all know this to a couple of states, not even
the seven swing states. It's probably going to be Georgia
and Pennsylvania and either or Arizona. So it's my concern is,

(31:04):
of course, the possibility of a post electoral violence, right,
giving what well we've seen in the best.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, that is Enrique Acevedo Award winning journalists who recently
hosted two town halls, and by recently, I mean like
in the last ten days with Kamala Harrison. Right, Enrique,
thank you so much for joining us, Thank you for
having me. It's been a pleasure, and we're getting a
lot of comments in online we've got Janet and Saint
Louis as. My concern is the moral character displayed by

(31:33):
Trump and his supporters. Gwen in Holland Michigan, the Dobbs
decision about abortion motivates me to the polls. Let's see.
Penelope Rider says, my major concern is the Israel funding.
Listening on Michigan radio, so a lot of comments coming
in again. You can reach us at CBC dot CA
a slash air check, or you can call us at

(31:55):
eight eight eight four one six eight three three three.
I'm Jeremy Hobson along here with Ian Annah Man Sing
of CBC's Cross Country Checkup. You're listening to America Votes
Across Border Conversation coming to you live from Detroit.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Welcome back to this special cross border edition of Cross
Country Checkup in the Middle and the Middle as people
listen on CBC News Network, CBC Radio and on NPR
stations across the United States. America Votes Across Border Conversation
is what we're calling it, and it's a co production
between CBC wdet and Detroit and the Middle. Our number

(32:33):
is eight eight eight four one six eight three three three.
You can also go to CBC dot ca slash air check.
If you'd either like to make a comment or say, hey, man,
I'd like to be on this program, give me a
call back. Our question is what's at stake for you
in the US election? Let's go to the phones. John
Myers is where we are in Detroit, Michigan. Hi John, Hello?

Speaker 11 (32:55):
How are you really good?

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Except a little frustrated listening some of the ignorance, But
other than that, thank you for this opportunity.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Okay, Well tell us what's at stake for you in
this election?

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Well, what's at stake with me is that, for the
first time in my forty years of voting, I did
not vote for the Democrat in the primary. This foreign
situation is creating a rift in my community, and so
I chose to send a message to mister Biden that

(33:33):
what's going on and the continuous exit of our hard
earned money over to that region hasn't worked, and it
isn't working, and now it's definitely being used to murder people.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
What region? Just to be clear, are you talking about.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
City of Detroit?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
No? No, But in terms of the foreign issue.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
Oh, well, mostly the Middle East. But I don't believe
that Ukraine has been handled rather well, either, but that
goes back decades and decades and a lot of medaling.
But no, we can't continue to support, you know, murder.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
And so but you know again, I just want to
make sure that I understand this clearly in my mind,
because you mentioned the Middle East and Ukraine and supporting
the United States, supporting murder. What specifically I mean? I
can guess, but I'd like to hear you say, what
specifically are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Well, on Saturday, October seventh, I heard the news and
I immediately said, this is the reaction of ongoing oppression
of a people.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Okay, so you're talking about it. You're you're talking about
Israel Hamas. So let me ask you this, John, So,
you you didn't vote for a Democrat in the primary,
You're not going to vote it sounds like for Kamala Harris.
Does that mean you're going to vote for Donald Trump?

Speaker 6 (35:03):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Absolutely not cold. There's not enough money in the world
for that to happen. And I haven't made up my
decision yet. But here's what I think should happen. I
think that the Democratic campaign should focus on the successes
that took place in the last three and a half years.
I think that they should educate people that immigration would

(35:26):
have been fixed a long time ago if business wanted
it fixed. And obviously the other side is talking about
deporting which is not even a possibility, but if it
were to happen, it would devastate our economy. And it's
just an ignorant idea. And then there's the terroriff, and
then there's the terroriffs. I mean, even talking about terriffs

(35:50):
is a bad idea, and obviously it's just if it
were enacted, it would be a terrible idea. And when
you look at the result of the tariffs from five
years ago or four years ago, that they just cost
the American taxpayers a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
John, thank you so much. I want to just give
our strategists, we've got these two wonderful political strategists, tw
Orriggi the Republican, and you've at Simpson the Democrat, a
chance to respond here on that issue. I'll start with you.
Tw You hear him saying he's not voting for Kamala
Harris because of the situation in the Middle East, but
he's not going to vote for Trump either. Is that
a win for your side?

Speaker 8 (36:29):
T w Well, if he said he voted for Democrats
for the last forty years and he isn't now, then yes,
I would take that as a win.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
It's troubling to hear the what I anti.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
Israel rhetoric from some of the voters on your shows today,
especially those seem to be Democratics front. The Democrats obviously
are going to that is a struggle among their base,
but it's really concerning. I think the the hatred against
the growing hatred against Israel.

Speaker 13 (37:05):
I'm not saying the war has been run perfectly, but
let's not yet.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
It twisted.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
MOSS is a Nazi inspired organization and they shouldn't be
treated with anything but that, Yvet.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
Lots of things came up during that call that I
thought were really interesting. I think if guys like that
don't vote, then it does impact us worse, right, And
I think one of the things we know about our
voters is you've heard the line Democrats fall in love
and Republicans fall in line, right, like, we got to
love everything about our candidate in order to support them,
and Republicans are like, okay, it's a Republican, I'm in.

(37:39):
And when you've got a guy like this who may
stay away because of a couple of issues.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
It really does hurt.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
Us, and I think that's problematic. It sounds like he's
with us on the issues, but he's definitely not going
to make that move. I hope he does, because, at
the end of the day, contrary to what the first
caller who talked about this issue mentioned, it cost us
when people don't vote, and end of the day, not
voting is a privilege.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's a privileged.

Speaker 7 (38:03):
Position because there's so much at stake. Some of us
can't afford to not vote, and I think most of
us can't afford to not vote. So that's very interesting.
It is interesting that the Gaza conflict keeps coming up.
I would disagree a little bit that what people are
expressing is a hatred to Israel. I don't think that
that's helpful. I think what people are expressing is compassion
towards the Palestinian death. And you know, I think that

(38:26):
is a tough position that the Democrats are in right now.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Sorry to jump in there. And you know what's interesting
is two of the callers who mentioned Gaza as an
issue and are unhappy with the Democrats. Their names at least,
however much you can read into that didn't appear to
be Arab American names. It's very easy for us to
say this is an Arab American issue, but it is
a human issue, right and it affects a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
That, by the way, was the first word that you
have said this entire program. That we say differently, Oh, gaza, gaza, tomato, tomatow. Okay,
let's go to at Jawad who's in Windsor, Ontario. Who's
on the phone, Matt, what's important to you about the
US election since you are in Canada.

Speaker 14 (39:09):
Hello, Ian and Jeremy. I work in the US and
I've been doing so for the past twenty nine years.
Governing on searchey does come in March. And one of
the things that is I work in the city of Taylor,
which is only a few kilometers away from Detroit, and
I cross across the view a boat that every single day.

(39:30):
What really concerns me is that mister Trump's intention to
renegotiate NAFTA, and he did that, he did that in
the past, and he said he'll do that again. And
I only have probably one or two more formats every
three years and then retire. And this is something that

(39:53):
really concerns me. If you renegotiate that or probably something
back to the that, Okay, we will wait what happened
so you stay home. That's number one. Number two, the
fact that I come from Iraq and if your call
last time, I actually went through this in which on

(40:14):
the border he listed seven or eight Muslims right yes,
and happening to be Iraqi of Iraqi origin. It was
really uncomfortable on the border asking answering questions despite of
the fact that I have a Canadian passport, where were

(40:34):
you born and why did you go back to Iraq?
And who do you know to Iraq? In Iraq? And
you could sense the even the border guards who some
of them know me, know me personally because I crossed
every single day. As I said, we're very uncomfortable with that,
to the extent that somewhere apologizing and I hope we
do not go through this. But the national part is

(40:56):
that something that that is to uh my the priority
right now. And for whatever my opinion on the on
the you think I'm at work, I am yet to
see anybody who said that he's gonna elect Harris interesting.
Everybody there, if they said they are.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
They're all They're all in favor of Trumpola Trump.

Speaker 14 (41:20):
They call Harris commonists, they call her socialist. They then
also subjects and everybody there. There's lots of African Americans,
White Americans that every one of them that happened to
be a Canadian. They're also But he's a permanent residence
but cannot vote. And he said, if I vote, I

(41:41):
will be voting for Trump.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well, Matt, it sounds like you've got a lot of
activity going on there in the background. I'm gonna let
you go deal with that. But I really appreciate your call.
Thank you so much for giving us a call.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Winds Round here is such an interesting place to have
a perspective on what we're talking about here, all these
cross border issues. Let's go to Columbus, Ohio, and Deborah
Fell has called our program.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Hi, Deborah, Hi, how are you all doing, Tony good?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
So, thank you very much for calling. What is at
stake for you, Deborah in the US election?

Speaker 15 (42:13):
Yeah? So I come from the state of Ohio. I
grew up I was super conservative and religious, and you know,
over the past decade or so, my views have really changed.
For me, I'm a competitive athlete and I'm having to
make the choice to get a procedure done for my
reproduction health before I'm probably ready to do it based
on my racing schedule, because I don't know if I'm

(42:34):
going to still have access to a reproductive help with
the acas or field I talked about back in the day.
So I'm thirty one years old and I'm basically getting
both of my filopian choose from moods because I absolutely
do not want to have children and I don't know
how long I'm going to have that option to me.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And so our line is not crystal clear. But let
me just ask you one more question here. Does this
election then boil down to you to a single issue?

Speaker 15 (43:01):
So may the election doesn't boil down to a single issue.
But I think understanding the conservative rights extremism, especially from
the Christian perspective, has really helped me to see that,
you know, you have to act with the options that
are available to you when it's available to you. So
reproductive health is definitely one of the most important things.
But it's more than that. To me, of course, it's democracy.

(43:22):
It's thinking about our future and making sure that all
Americans have access not only to healthcare, but to making
the decisions for who they want to love, how they
want to identify, and continuing to live in a free
and hopefully equal society.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Debra, let me just ask you quickly. I heard from
somebody that there's a there's a sort of a shadow
campaign going on where women put little post it notes
inside the stalls in bathrooms saying you don't have to
tell anybody, but vote for Kamala Harris. Like for people
basically in your situation and probably a conservative community, a

(43:58):
lot of religion involved. Do you think that there are
others like you out there in Ohio and other places
who may not want to say that they're voting for
reproductive rights, but they are going to do that.

Speaker 15 (44:12):
I hope that they are. That's part of why I
wanted to call in and just remind women that you
have access to healthcare right now, and you should make
the most of it, and you should vote as your
life and others depends on it, and take advantage of
the great access to healthcare that we've gotten through the
Affordable Care Act while we still can.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Deborah, thank you so much for that call. We should
bring in our guests here are strategists ive atte Simpson,
she brings up healthcare I was talking to somebody who
was out canvassing in Michigan who said that when this
person who was canvassing for Harris was talking to Trump
supporters and brought up healthcare, he called them Kamala curious.

(44:54):
Is healthcare do you think going to be kind of
a secret issue that's important in this election? It could
well be.

Speaker 7 (45:01):
I mean, as you know, it took a lot of
work to get the ACA passed. It's not a perfect
piece of legislation. But once people start to get used
to it and they rely on it, the thought of
them taking it away is a real challenge for people.
And I don't know that the Republicans have thought that through.
You might remember during debate, the debate kind of mention
that and Trump said, oh, I've got concepts of a plan.

(45:23):
So you know, the idea of pulling ACA without some
sort of alternative that keeps people who are currently ensured
under that plan is a real challenge for people, because
there are millions and millions of people who would not
have healthcare in this country without that particular legislation.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
What do you think tw healthcare as an issue?

Speaker 6 (45:43):
Yeah, it's a big issue.

Speaker 8 (45:44):
Obviously, it is taking a little bit of a backseat
with all the stuff that's going on in the news today,
but it's a huge issue to everybody. I mean, anyone
who has to pay a medical bill or looks it
there insurance bill knows it's a problem.

Speaker 13 (45:56):
Our healthcare system is deeply broken.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
And while I believe that Democrats are using ACA as
a crutch, it needs to be revamped. I agree we
should just pull it out willy nilly and leave people hanging.
That's a no go. But there we do need to
move to a more competitive healthcare marketplace to get prices down,
get transparent pricing, breakop hospital networks that are becoming monopolies.

(46:25):
There's a ton that we can do to make the
marketplace more competitive, to work for the patient and not
for the wallets of the executive, and we need to do.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
That in I imagine our Canadian listeners are just screaming
at the radio right now, going why don't you just
do it like we do it here?

Speaker 6 (46:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Maybe, although as people wait at emergency rooms in Canada,
they sometimes look at the United States and wonder if
that's the better model. Jasay is such a bit. You know,
a lot of people don't feel it's the better model,
but it's certainly an ongoing debate in Canada and I
sense in the United States as well. Listen, before we go,
let's go back to our two analysts one last time.
I know that call in shows are not a scientific

(47:02):
survey of what people are thinking in the United States
or Canada, but Avett, how about for a minute, a
final word from you on what you've heard this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (47:12):
Well, one of the things I like about this format,
which I don't get on ABC News, is that you
get to hear from people and respond in that moment,
and I think that's really helpful. I think we had
a good cross section of callers who raised a bunch
of diverse issues. I think we have probably had a
couple of people who were very one issue, who have
been listening to the news and repeating rhetoric, but overall
a lot of thoughtful people who have Really That's why

(47:35):
I love doing this show and Jeremy's show as well,
because you got a lot of thoughtful people who are
really paying attention and they know that there are a
lot of things at stake in this election. And I
thought it was a good cross section of what we
expect to see. I think in the election.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, it's why I love hosting or co hosting programs
like this tw last word.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
Yeah, I agree with much of what she said, and
I thank everyone for tuning in and calling in. This
is going to be a very tight election, and I
appreciate people coming on and letting their voices be heard
because we heard a few callers say some people are
afraid to say how they really feel. But having this
dialogue and doing it civilly shows other people how to

(48:14):
behave simply with each other in today's heated times.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
So thank you.

Speaker 13 (48:19):
All for having me, and thank you all for calling in.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
That was really productive.

Speaker 10 (48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
We actually do have a few seconds left, so let
me pick up all. Let me pick up on that tw.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
You didn't take your full minute tw so now you
get a little more time.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I mean, I think people are really concerned about not
just civility, but the potential tw for violence if they're
not happy with what happens election night. Are you concerned?
And then if you are, what do we do about it?

Speaker 14 (48:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (48:42):
No, I think, as I said before, it needs to
begin with each of us.

Speaker 13 (48:46):
We all need to be the example and speak with
each other civilly.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Obviously, I'm a Republican, so I view it through a
different lens. I see us getting quite a lot of
heat generally speaking.

Speaker 13 (48:58):
Obviously, the president has had two attempts on his life.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
So I don't want any of that. Ever.

Speaker 8 (49:04):
Violence has no place in our civil discourse, and you
know it's we each need to do it better and
acknowledge that ourselves, and then we can begin to see progress.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
But it starts with the individual.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Okay, well, tw and Evett, thanks to both of you.
If At Simpson and Democratic strategist former CEO of Democracy
for America, and tw Arigghy is a Republican strategist and
former communications aid to Mike Bompeo and Lindsey Graham. That's
it for this week. Thanks to everyone who called today.
If you missed any of this program, would like to
hear our full to our version, you can go to

(49:40):
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Speaker 1 (49:43):
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Speaker 2 (49:53):
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to share comments, or up here on the show, you
can go to CBC dot Ca slash air check special.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Thanks to everyone here at wdet and Detroit, Adam Fox,
Matthew Trevethan, Jack Phil Brandt, and Mary Zatina.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
WDT has been the perfect host for this in the
perfect city to do it from America Votes Across Border
Conversation was produced this week by Abby Planner, Theo Van
Busicom and Harrison Patimio.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
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of this program and the technical director there Jason Kroft,
our digital producer Sanisha Jolich, Senior producer Richard Goddard.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
And my co host from the middle is Jeremy Hobson.
It has been fantastic to share a studio with you.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Same to you. And by the way, I love your theme.
I like that we're ending on my theme. We started
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