December 1, 2025 • 21 mins
It’s day one of the Brian Walshe murder trial and it’s already off to a dramatic start. In their opening arguments, prosecutors read aloud Walshe’s Google search titles the night his wife Ana went missing, and boy are they damning.
The defense began by admitting to jurors that their client has lied to authorities, and yes, he dismembered and disposed of his wife body, but they maintained he did not kill her, he just panicked after finding her inexplicably dead. We also learned today what prosecutors will say Walshe’s motive for murder was, by revealing one of their star witnesses of this trial, Ana Walshe’s lover.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is Monday, December one, and it was day one
in the trial of Brian Walsh, the man who admits
he cut up and disposed of his wife's body but
says he didn't kill her. We got opening statements today
and we finally heard how he plans to defend himself
(00:24):
and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
TJ Roabe. That's been the most intriguing part. Guy says
he admitted last week, right when the day one jury selection,
pleaded guilty to dismembering and disposing of her body, but
says he didn't kill her.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, couldn't wait to hear how he was going to.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Do this exactly, and getting to hear his defense in
combination with getting to hear hours of his police interview
where he was clearly lying through his teeth because he's
admitted that he knew where her body was while he
trying to act like he has no idea where his
wife is to police. So that was fascinating. But perhaps
(01:05):
I would say the most interesting part of all. We
haven't had access to a courtroom like this for a while.
In a case like this, there are cameras in the
courtroom you can watch this trial starting at nine am
Eastern Time, all day long on Court.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
TV, and there's something And you're right, we obviously a
couple of high profile trials recently Diddy in particular, no cameras,
no nothing in there, but we get to see this
man that has admitted to taking a hack saw to
his wife's body. There is something robe about that and
being able to see him in court. Now the other
(01:44):
part that's I'm not sure if you heard the clanging.
He's coming in and out in handcuffs. So the way
they have the mics set up in there, you hear
just like just shackles, you just SIT's loud, that's clanging,
and it's just something eerie about how it kind of
it kind of happened today. And to your point as well, man,
(02:04):
it was creepy to hear him, cool and calm as
a cucumber talking to police who are asking about his wife.
He knows good and hell well what he's done with
our body. He never raised his voice. The only time
he got animated, robe was when he laughed.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, he was joking around with the officers as his
wife is presumably missing. I think it's fascinating because Usually
when we hear a police interview with a suspect who's
now on trial for murder, they're denying any involvement, right,
But in this trial, in this case, the jurors are
(02:41):
listening to him lie to police as calm and as
coolly as one could be.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That was eerie to me.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I just was taken aback at how comfortable he was
completely lying.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean, that has to make it him. You have
to wonder if that makes an impression on this first
impression of him is now this they haven't heard his voice,
they haven't heard him speak, that he is as calm
as anything on these they and you know the other
part of those This wasn't supposed to be the highlight
of what we plan on talking about now, but it
obviously had made an impression on us.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
The kids.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, you hear these what were they two, four and six? Yeah,
at the time babies mom disappeared. Well, these kids are
I mean, they're acting like children.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're fighting amongst themselves. You know, Dad Thomas just said
the F word. Like all these kinds of things that
would be happening in a normal house around the holidays.
This is just at the first of the years they're
probably playing with their Christmas toys.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No idea that their.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Mom is dead and their dad is accused of murder
or soon would be, and they would be essentially orphaned
within days.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We are talking about here. If you haven't yet, you
will be hearing plenty about this case. It is extraordinary
out of Massachusetts. This man, Brian Walls, charged with first
degree murder, accused of beating it and killing his and
then dismembering and disposing of her body. This was January
one of twenty twenty three. She has not been seen
by anybody since then. He has now pleaded guilty to
(04:12):
dismembering her body and lying to police. He has already
pled guilty to that. However, Robes, that threw everybody off
last week when he went ahead and did so, and
we were wondering how he's going to defend himself, what
his defense is going to be, how's he going to
explain this? We will get into that. But the mom,
Ann Walsh's who we're talking about. Robes a thirty nine
(04:33):
year old mother of three.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah on a Walsh, last seen at a New Year's
Eve party or a dinner so to speak. The head
a friend over so she was seen up until one
thirty in the morning, seemingly happy and fine, and when
she didn't show up to work. Eventually, it was her
coworkers who notified police on January fourth that she was missing.
(04:55):
It was not her husband who reported her missing, it
was her coworkers.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Obviously.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That was the part of one of the details of
this story, like you haven't talked to your wife in
three days and you're not concerned.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And when we're listening to him talk to police, it
was interesting how he would mess up basically because he said,
you know, if she was going to be ten minutes late,
I would freak out. Well, if that were true, if
your wife was ten minutes late, and he would freak out.
When she is missing for four days and you don't
call police, those two things do not jibe together.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You remember at that point when he said it, he
called himself almost and realized he said, well, yeah, I mean,
you know, I talked to it in the morning and
at night he kind of he danced around a lot,
but you have he was a cool customer. He wasn't
studdying around. He didn't necessarily say it's like a guy.
He was putting lines together.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No and by the way, Anna Walsh's body has never
been found, and so that is going to be this
difficult part for the prosecution, even though they have a
tremendous amount of evidence, which we will get into. We
already saw and heard a lot of it today, at
least in the opening statements. It was late out what
(06:01):
we will be getting. But you don't have a body,
so you cannot say how she died. You cannot say
technically when she died. And that makes it difficult because
now you don't really have any forensic DNA tying yep
a murderer to the body. So those things all make
(06:24):
it difficult. It's not impossible, but certainly makes it more
difficult for prosecutors when there is no body.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
They always say jurors they want too They don't have
to have it, but they want two things. They want
a body and they want a motive. Don't have to
have them, but they really is something they have to overcome.
Now we started the day today, then get started with
testimony until about ten am. They got in the core.
Around nine o'clock, judge brought the attorneys in. They went
through some motions, went through some rules, brought in the
(06:52):
jury she gave kind of a jury one on one
jury Trialjuan on Houan to these jurors hadn't seen that before,
but maybe a lot of folks did find that helpful. Now,
the prosecution started with their opening statement and roads we
need to say this name because people need to know
it throughout. William fast Out. William fast Out, You're going
to hear his name because he's a centerpiece and he
(07:12):
is going to be a big time a witness on
that stand. He was the guy who was involved in
an affair with Brian Walsh's now deceased wife.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yes, so Anna Walsh was having an affair with William
fast Out, and that will be a part of the
prosecution's evidence about motive and what led to Anna's murder. Now,
the defense is claiming that Brian didn't know about this affair,
so it couldn't be a motive for killing her. But
the prosecution says, while these internet searches so far, what
(07:46):
we've heard about these internet searches on Brian Walsh's computer
are pretty damning, and they claim they have searches from
his cell phone and the fact that he looked up
the name William fast Out.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We've been covering the Star, and I know some stuff
had gotten out with some of the searches. Had you
seen this extensive of a list? No, some of these
I have not seen.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
These were so part of what and we have an
episode before. There's a few episodes back. I've lost count.
But we went into this case because it is a
fascinating and we knew during jury selection this trial would
be starting December first. So we found a couple of
the searches, the Google searches that they found on some
of the devices in Brian Walsh's house right around the
(08:26):
time of Anna's disappearance, and they were damning. But man,
these are even if it's possible more damning, they're extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So this is January one, and we have several to
go through and they say they have more, but these
are the searches they found again on his computer and
on his phone. So starting at four fifty four am,
this is January one. At this point police believe authorities
believe Anna Walsh is dead.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yes, she was last seen by someone else at one
thirty am. So now fast forward three and a half
hours later.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
At four point fifty four am, he searches quote best
way to dispose of a body now rodes that is damning.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's circumstantial, correct?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Is that enough to put some folks over the top
if you don't have a body, if you don't have
a mode of death. And the one I just read,
Oh that's that's even that's one of the light ones
compared to me.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah, that builds a foundation.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I will say that build a foundation towards suspicion and
ultimately potentially guilt. So about a half an hour later,
the search is how long for someone missing to inherit?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
How about that for a motive? Next search? Can you
throw away body parts? How long missing to be dead?
How long does DNA last? Is it possible to clean
DNA off a knife? Best way to dispose of body
parts after a murder? That's a tough one, he wrote,
(10:06):
murder that's a that's a tough one because when you
hear what the defense's defense is, that is a search
that is going to be difficult. The jury is going
to remember that search. Best way to dispose of body
parts after a murder? He also looked up articles about
whether it is better to throw away crime scene clothes
(10:30):
or wash that it goes on to then the searches
get more specific, how to saw a body, how to
dismember a body? Then a question can you be charged
with murder without a body? And for whatever reason, this
last one really bothered me. I don't know why, with
(10:52):
all that heinousness, can you identify a body with broken
teeth that would tell me he punched her in the
face so hard that her teeth broke or he was
going to go back after the fact and break her teeth.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Jesus, this is I don't know how you explain any
of this away. Now, this idea of reasonable doubt does
this I don't think it's reasonable. I don't think it's
a reasonable doubt at this point. If you see all
of this, obviously this dude had to be as a juror.
(11:32):
How could Obviously what else was he doing?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And it's not like there was anyone else in the
house who could have typed in those searches, because that's
usually what people will say. You can't prove I was
the one to type in these searches. At that home,
at that hour, you had a two year old, a
four year old, and a six year old a sleep
a sleep, But even if they were awake, there's absolutely
(11:55):
zero chance that anyone will believe this was even a
possible ability.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So the closest we get robes or maybe the prosecution
could get to how she died was this. I mean
knife was in.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
The knife they used and murder man.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That is tough stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Now, again from the opening statement they had say, this
is pretty damning as well. They have surveillance video of
him at several stores. These stores are gonna hate being
associated with this story now, Walgreen, CBS, lows stopping shop
Home Goods. He was at Home Goods. Robes, he got candles,
scented candles, and area rugs at home Goods. But his
whole shopping list included band aids, stuff for first aid,
(12:33):
hydrogen peroxide, ammonia, cutting shears, hack saw, mop buckets, all.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Of that wasn't there also a tiex suit there was, yes,
because that is just something everyone needs, you know, on
New Year's Day to clean up after that crazy party
you just had.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Hey, it is nasty.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That one really stood out to me.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
This and this was one they were explaining as well,
where he had he had switched phones with his on
so it looked like his phone was staying in one
spot and he actually had.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Did he not think they were going to also track
all the phones in the house.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And they put it all together, and of course that's
part of the story was they had surveillance video of
a figure that fit the description of Brian Walsh, Yeah,
dumping stuff in a dumpster that wasn't too far from
his mom's home. They went back and recovered that bag
and it was all his wife's stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
What was it, right, product bag, cod specific kind of
boots and her COVID nineteen vaccination card.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
What's all in there? So that's all the evidence.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's just in the opening statement, we kind of had
an idea of their case, but they got into a
few more specifics. Now, how on God's green Earth do
you defend your client against all of that? Well, stay here,
we'll tell you what the defense had to say, and
they came out strong. Continuing now day one in the trial.
(14:05):
Day one of testimony in the trial of Brian Walsh,
accused of first degree murder in the death of Anna Walsh,
his wife, whose body has never been found. He has
admitted to cutting her body up. He has admitted to
disposing of her body, but says he did not kill her.
Now Robes the first words when the defense his defense
attorney has got Larry Tipton got up. I knew immediately, okay,
(14:30):
we're gonna have we got one.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You said, he's a good one.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We got a star in the courtroom. He was. He
was animated.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
He spoke extemporaneously and I always impressed with that. He
kind of paced back and forth, hands in his pocket
and head down at times. He started with that line,
Brian Walsh lied to authorities, and he almost screamed in
the courtroom and said several times, Brian Walsh lied on
this day. Brian wsh lied on this day. So they
(14:58):
immediately kind of just admit it that this guy lied throughout.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Now what you know what that reminds me of Listen
Diddy's lawyers saying, was did he abuse women?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yes? Was he a domestic violence perpetrator? Yes? He was, Like,
we'll fully admit that.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So basically, the video and all the scary things that
you know you're going to see, and certainly all of
the you know, the evidence the prosecution is going to provide,
we we already admit to that, so you kind of
take it off the table.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
No one's denying this.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Often an impact now we talked about those his searches
starting at four fifty four, and the attorney addressed it. Yes,
what happened at four fifty four. What they're explaining robes
was a frantic and tragic search that you'll hear about now.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They go on to.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Explain his wife is dad. He couldn't believe it had happened,
and so all of those searches robes they're explaining as
a man who was whose wife just died on him suddenly,
he panicked, and that's how they're going to explain it.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes, so you say wife died suddenly and he panicked.
How did said wife die suddenly?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No one knows that.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He says that he went upstairs after partying for New
Year's went back down an hour later to clean the kitchen,
and when he returned to the bedroom, she was dead.
And so they said he nudged her so violently that
he pushed her off the bed. So that, you know,
I don't know why they needed to say that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, they would try.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
He was getting into the detailing that, and they explained
it this way. He walked into the room he could
just since something was off, He was expecting to just
get in bed go to bed, thought she was sleep
since something was off, so he just nudged her, try
to say hello once nothing, nudged her again. Then he
starts getting worried and starts shaking her and she falls
off the bed. They were explaining that's when panic essentially
(16:49):
started for him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So he panicked, apparently, and he said that they believed
that this sudden and explained death could be a mechanical
or an electrical issue in her body. They say it
happens to people who were old, young men, women, and
it just can happen. They say it's known in the
medical community, but it's not well known to the rest
of us. So they're just saying she died inexplicably and
(17:14):
suddenly suddenly, and he was afraid he would be implicated, yes.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Because he's went on to explain they had the concern
for their sons, and they were setting all of their
life insurance up for the boys and all this investment
in the future they were making, and his concern was
if anything someone thought that he did something to his wife,
what is going to happen to those boys? And this,
according to his attorney, was his attempt to think. He
used the word hang on to those boys.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
So the affair the defense.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So it was it was the defense or it was
the prosecution that said an affair does not make someone
a bad person bad mind?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Was the defense.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
See That's why I was confused, because when I heard
them say that, I thought, wait, is that the defense
saying that.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
They are making a point not making her into a
bad person at all. So he that came out of
his mouth does not make someone a bad person or
a bad mother. And they still say he didn't know,
so that is not a motive he can have for
wanting to kill his wife. He didn't know she was
having the affair, according to them.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Now we are going to hear, as you said earlier
before the break from the man who Anna Walsh was
having an affair with. He is going to provide testimony
at this trial. That is going to be a remarkable
day in court.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I believe Thursday is what they're anticipating with the schedule
at this point. Look, tomorrow now is setting up and
expecting this to go two or three weeks, but this
is setting up now tomorrow. There was only one witness
who was on the stand, and that was the lead investigator,
and most of the time he was up. There were
spent with us listening to those.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Police interrogations, Well, they weren't even interrogations at that point.
They were just there saying, hey, we're gonna help you
find your missing wife. But to now know he's admitted
and already pleaded guilty to knowing exactly where his wife was,
to knowing that he had cut her up and thrown
her body in dumpsters. To hear him blatantly lying to
(19:18):
Belie for hours, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He's cold, he is cool.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
He doesn't sound you know what, He would never sound
menacing to you, but now hearing it and understanding what
he had done, to hear him this way.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Is well, it just it would make me feel like
there's no way I can believe anything this man says,
because he's very convincing. He seems concerned, but he didn't
seem like he wasn't nervous. So if he was able
to regulate himself, knowing what he just had done, that
would make me feel like I couldn't believe anything that
(19:55):
came out of his mouth.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
That's just my sense as a journ But that.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Is a good point. He is now disqualified.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, how could you trust anything when you are literally
and he is admitting that you are listening to him calmly,
coolly and expertly lie to police expertly, and he and
to me when I was listening to him, he sounded
like a nice guy next door. Now, he did admit
to police that he did have some legal issues, with
(20:24):
some issues, there's a whole other side to him where
he was actually about to go to prison and he
was under house arrest when this all went down. So obviously,
learning that he had been convicted criminally of something, you know,
would have been you know, certainly something that raised an
eyebrow for police. But just listening to him, just talking
(20:45):
to the guy, just being around him, hearing his kids
in the background, a father of three, you he didn't
seem menacing at all, which makes.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It all the scarier.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, folks, this is one we are going to keep
a very close eye on. On your Apple podcast app,
the top right corner there with our show page says
follow hit that and you can get these update. We
will be doing this and keeping an eye on this
every day and giving updates every day. This is going
to be an explosive, explosive trial with the possibility bro
(21:20):
I cannot wait to hear with the prosecution how they
lay out a case for how she died, how they
think she died, and how they could know at all.
It's amazing not a trace of this woman since January one.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Three.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
All right, so folks, trial continues, tomorrow, might be cut short.
We got some weather here in the Northeast, so they
acknowledge this. That trial in Massachusetts. We're keeping an eye
there as well. But folks, we always appreciate you spending
some time with us. For my dear Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes.
We will talk to you all soon.
Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is Monday, December one, and it was day one
in the trial of Brian Walsh, the man who admits
he cut up and disposed of his wife's body but
says he didn't kill her. We got opening statements today
and we finally heard how he plans to defend himself
(00:24):
and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
TJ Roabe. That's been the most intriguing part. Guy says
he admitted last week, right when the day one jury selection,
pleaded guilty to dismembering and disposing of her body, but
says he didn't kill her.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, couldn't wait to hear how he was going to.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Do this exactly, and getting to hear his defense in
combination with getting to hear hours of his police interview
where he was clearly lying through his teeth because he's
admitted that he knew where her body was while he
trying to act like he has no idea where his
wife is to police. So that was fascinating. But perhaps
(01:05):
I would say the most interesting part of all. We
haven't had access to a courtroom like this for a while.
In a case like this, there are cameras in the
courtroom you can watch this trial starting at nine am
Eastern Time, all day long on Court.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
TV, and there's something And you're right, we obviously a
couple of high profile trials recently Diddy in particular, no cameras,
no nothing in there, but we get to see this
man that has admitted to taking a hack saw to
his wife's body. There is something robe about that and
being able to see him in court. Now the other
(01:44):
part that's I'm not sure if you heard the clanging.
He's coming in and out in handcuffs. So the way
they have the mics set up in there, you hear
just like just shackles, you just SIT's loud, that's clanging,
and it's just something eerie about how it kind of
it kind of happened today. And to your point as well, man,
(02:04):
it was creepy to hear him, cool and calm as
a cucumber talking to police who are asking about his wife.
He knows good and hell well what he's done with
our body. He never raised his voice. The only time
he got animated, robe was when he laughed.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, he was joking around with the officers as his
wife is presumably missing. I think it's fascinating because Usually
when we hear a police interview with a suspect who's
now on trial for murder, they're denying any involvement, right,
But in this trial, in this case, the jurors are
(02:41):
listening to him lie to police as calm and as
coolly as one could be.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That was eerie to me.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I just was taken aback at how comfortable he was
completely lying.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean, that has to make it him. You have
to wonder if that makes an impression on this first
impression of him is now this they haven't heard his voice,
they haven't heard him speak, that he is as calm
as anything on these they and you know the other
part of those This wasn't supposed to be the highlight
of what we plan on talking about now, but it
obviously had made an impression on us.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
The kids.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, you hear these what were they two, four and six? Yeah,
at the time babies mom disappeared. Well, these kids are
I mean, they're acting like children.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're fighting amongst themselves. You know, Dad Thomas just said
the F word. Like all these kinds of things that
would be happening in a normal house around the holidays.
This is just at the first of the years they're
probably playing with their Christmas toys.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No idea that their.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Mom is dead and their dad is accused of murder
or soon would be, and they would be essentially orphaned
within days.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We are talking about here. If you haven't yet, you
will be hearing plenty about this case. It is extraordinary
out of Massachusetts. This man, Brian Walls, charged with first
degree murder, accused of beating it and killing his and
then dismembering and disposing of her body. This was January
one of twenty twenty three. She has not been seen
by anybody since then. He has now pleaded guilty to
(04:12):
dismembering her body and lying to police. He has already
pled guilty to that. However, Robes, that threw everybody off
last week when he went ahead and did so, and
we were wondering how he's going to defend himself, what
his defense is going to be, how's he going to
explain this? We will get into that. But the mom,
Ann Walsh's who we're talking about. Robes a thirty nine
(04:33):
year old mother of three.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah on a Walsh, last seen at a New Year's
Eve party or a dinner so to speak. The head
a friend over so she was seen up until one
thirty in the morning, seemingly happy and fine, and when
she didn't show up to work. Eventually, it was her
coworkers who notified police on January fourth that she was missing.
(04:55):
It was not her husband who reported her missing, it
was her coworkers.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Obviously.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That was the part of one of the details of
this story, like you haven't talked to your wife in
three days and you're not concerned.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And when we're listening to him talk to police, it
was interesting how he would mess up basically because he said,
you know, if she was going to be ten minutes late,
I would freak out. Well, if that were true, if
your wife was ten minutes late, and he would freak out.
When she is missing for four days and you don't
call police, those two things do not jibe together.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You remember at that point when he said it, he
called himself almost and realized he said, well, yeah, I mean,
you know, I talked to it in the morning and
at night he kind of he danced around a lot,
but you have he was a cool customer. He wasn't
studdying around. He didn't necessarily say it's like a guy.
He was putting lines together.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No and by the way, Anna Walsh's body has never
been found, and so that is going to be this
difficult part for the prosecution, even though they have a
tremendous amount of evidence, which we will get into. We
already saw and heard a lot of it today, at
least in the opening statements. It was late out what
(06:01):
we will be getting. But you don't have a body,
so you cannot say how she died. You cannot say
technically when she died. And that makes it difficult because
now you don't really have any forensic DNA tying yep
a murderer to the body. So those things all make
(06:24):
it difficult. It's not impossible, but certainly makes it more
difficult for prosecutors when there is no body.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
They always say jurors they want too They don't have
to have it, but they want two things. They want
a body and they want a motive. Don't have to
have them, but they really is something they have to overcome.
Now we started the day today, then get started with
testimony until about ten am. They got in the core.
Around nine o'clock, judge brought the attorneys in. They went
through some motions, went through some rules, brought in the
(06:52):
jury she gave kind of a jury one on one
jury Trialjuan on Houan to these jurors hadn't seen that before,
but maybe a lot of folks did find that helpful. Now,
the prosecution started with their opening statement and roads we
need to say this name because people need to know
it throughout. William fast Out. William fast Out, You're going
to hear his name because he's a centerpiece and he
(07:12):
is going to be a big time a witness on
that stand. He was the guy who was involved in
an affair with Brian Walsh's now deceased wife.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yes, so Anna Walsh was having an affair with William
fast Out, and that will be a part of the
prosecution's evidence about motive and what led to Anna's murder. Now,
the defense is claiming that Brian didn't know about this affair,
so it couldn't be a motive for killing her. But
the prosecution says, while these internet searches so far, what
(07:46):
we've heard about these internet searches on Brian Walsh's computer
are pretty damning, and they claim they have searches from
his cell phone and the fact that he looked up
the name William fast Out.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We've been covering the Star, and I know some stuff
had gotten out with some of the searches. Had you
seen this extensive of a list? No, some of these
I have not seen.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
These were so part of what and we have an
episode before. There's a few episodes back. I've lost count.
But we went into this case because it is a
fascinating and we knew during jury selection this trial would
be starting December first. So we found a couple of
the searches, the Google searches that they found on some
of the devices in Brian Walsh's house right around the
(08:26):
time of Anna's disappearance, and they were damning. But man,
these are even if it's possible more damning, they're extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So this is January one, and we have several to
go through and they say they have more, but these
are the searches they found again on his computer and
on his phone. So starting at four fifty four am,
this is January one. At this point police believe authorities
believe Anna Walsh is dead.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yes, she was last seen by someone else at one
thirty am. So now fast forward three and a half
hours later.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
At four point fifty four am, he searches quote best
way to dispose of a body now rodes that is damning.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's circumstantial, correct?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Is that enough to put some folks over the top
if you don't have a body, if you don't have
a mode of death. And the one I just read,
Oh that's that's even that's one of the light ones
compared to me.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah, that builds a foundation.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I will say that build a foundation towards suspicion and
ultimately potentially guilt. So about a half an hour later,
the search is how long for someone missing to inherit?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
How about that for a motive? Next search? Can you
throw away body parts? How long missing to be dead?
How long does DNA last? Is it possible to clean
DNA off a knife? Best way to dispose of body
parts after a murder? That's a tough one, he wrote,
(10:06):
murder that's a that's a tough one because when you
hear what the defense's defense is, that is a search
that is going to be difficult. The jury is going
to remember that search. Best way to dispose of body
parts after a murder? He also looked up articles about
whether it is better to throw away crime scene clothes
(10:30):
or wash that it goes on to then the searches
get more specific, how to saw a body, how to
dismember a body? Then a question can you be charged
with murder without a body? And for whatever reason, this
last one really bothered me. I don't know why, with
(10:52):
all that heinousness, can you identify a body with broken
teeth that would tell me he punched her in the
face so hard that her teeth broke or he was
going to go back after the fact and break her teeth.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Jesus, this is I don't know how you explain any
of this away. Now, this idea of reasonable doubt does
this I don't think it's reasonable. I don't think it's
a reasonable doubt at this point. If you see all
of this, obviously this dude had to be as a juror.
(11:32):
How could Obviously what else was he doing?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And it's not like there was anyone else in the
house who could have typed in those searches, because that's
usually what people will say. You can't prove I was
the one to type in these searches. At that home,
at that hour, you had a two year old, a
four year old, and a six year old a sleep
a sleep, But even if they were awake, there's absolutely
(11:55):
zero chance that anyone will believe this was even a
possible ability.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So the closest we get robes or maybe the prosecution
could get to how she died was this. I mean
knife was in.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
The knife they used and murder man.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That is tough stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Now, again from the opening statement they had say, this
is pretty damning as well. They have surveillance video of
him at several stores. These stores are gonna hate being
associated with this story now, Walgreen, CBS, lows stopping shop
Home Goods. He was at Home Goods. Robes, he got candles,
scented candles, and area rugs at home Goods. But his
whole shopping list included band aids, stuff for first aid,
(12:33):
hydrogen peroxide, ammonia, cutting shears, hack saw, mop buckets, all.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Of that wasn't there also a tiex suit there was, yes,
because that is just something everyone needs, you know, on
New Year's Day to clean up after that crazy party
you just had.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Hey, it is nasty.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That one really stood out to me.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
This and this was one they were explaining as well,
where he had he had switched phones with his on
so it looked like his phone was staying in one
spot and he actually had.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Did he not think they were going to also track
all the phones in the house.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And they put it all together, and of course that's
part of the story was they had surveillance video of
a figure that fit the description of Brian Walsh, Yeah,
dumping stuff in a dumpster that wasn't too far from
his mom's home. They went back and recovered that bag
and it was all his wife's stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
What was it, right, product bag, cod specific kind of
boots and her COVID nineteen vaccination card.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
What's all in there? So that's all the evidence.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's just in the opening statement, we kind of had
an idea of their case, but they got into a
few more specifics. Now, how on God's green Earth do
you defend your client against all of that? Well, stay here,
we'll tell you what the defense had to say, and
they came out strong. Continuing now day one in the trial.
(14:05):
Day one of testimony in the trial of Brian Walsh,
accused of first degree murder in the death of Anna Walsh,
his wife, whose body has never been found. He has
admitted to cutting her body up. He has admitted to
disposing of her body, but says he did not kill her.
Now Robes the first words when the defense his defense
attorney has got Larry Tipton got up. I knew immediately, okay,
(14:30):
we're gonna have we got one.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You said, he's a good one.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We got a star in the courtroom. He was. He
was animated.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
He spoke extemporaneously and I always impressed with that. He
kind of paced back and forth, hands in his pocket
and head down at times. He started with that line,
Brian Walsh lied to authorities, and he almost screamed in
the courtroom and said several times, Brian Walsh lied on
this day. Brian wsh lied on this day. So they
(14:58):
immediately kind of just admit it that this guy lied throughout.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Now what you know what that reminds me of Listen
Diddy's lawyers saying, was did he abuse women?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yes? Was he a domestic violence perpetrator? Yes? He was, Like,
we'll fully admit that.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So basically, the video and all the scary things that
you know you're going to see, and certainly all of
the you know, the evidence the prosecution is going to provide,
we we already admit to that, so you kind of
take it off the table.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
No one's denying this.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Often an impact now we talked about those his searches
starting at four fifty four, and the attorney addressed it. Yes,
what happened at four fifty four. What they're explaining robes
was a frantic and tragic search that you'll hear about now.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They go on to.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Explain his wife is dad. He couldn't believe it had happened,
and so all of those searches robes they're explaining as
a man who was whose wife just died on him suddenly,
he panicked, and that's how they're going to explain it.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes, so you say wife died suddenly and he panicked.
How did said wife die suddenly?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No one knows that.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He says that he went upstairs after partying for New
Year's went back down an hour later to clean the kitchen,
and when he returned to the bedroom, she was dead.
And so they said he nudged her so violently that
he pushed her off the bed. So that, you know,
I don't know why they needed to say that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, they would try.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
He was getting into the detailing that, and they explained
it this way. He walked into the room he could
just since something was off, He was expecting to just
get in bed go to bed, thought she was sleep
since something was off, so he just nudged her, try
to say hello once nothing, nudged her again. Then he
starts getting worried and starts shaking her and she falls
off the bed. They were explaining that's when panic essentially
(16:49):
started for him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So he panicked, apparently, and he said that they believed
that this sudden and explained death could be a mechanical
or an electrical issue in her body. They say it
happens to people who were old, young men, women, and
it just can happen. They say it's known in the
medical community, but it's not well known to the rest
of us. So they're just saying she died inexplicably and
(17:14):
suddenly suddenly, and he was afraid he would be implicated, yes.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Because he's went on to explain they had the concern
for their sons, and they were setting all of their
life insurance up for the boys and all this investment
in the future they were making, and his concern was
if anything someone thought that he did something to his wife,
what is going to happen to those boys? And this,
according to his attorney, was his attempt to think. He
used the word hang on to those boys.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
So the affair the defense.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So it was it was the defense or it was
the prosecution that said an affair does not make someone
a bad person bad mind?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Was the defense.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
See That's why I was confused, because when I heard
them say that, I thought, wait, is that the defense
saying that.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
They are making a point not making her into a
bad person at all. So he that came out of
his mouth does not make someone a bad person or
a bad mother. And they still say he didn't know,
so that is not a motive he can have for
wanting to kill his wife. He didn't know she was
having the affair, according to them.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Now we are going to hear, as you said earlier
before the break from the man who Anna Walsh was
having an affair with. He is going to provide testimony
at this trial. That is going to be a remarkable
day in court.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I believe Thursday is what they're anticipating with the schedule
at this point. Look, tomorrow now is setting up and
expecting this to go two or three weeks, but this
is setting up now tomorrow. There was only one witness
who was on the stand, and that was the lead investigator,
and most of the time he was up. There were
spent with us listening to those.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Police interrogations, Well, they weren't even interrogations at that point.
They were just there saying, hey, we're gonna help you
find your missing wife. But to now know he's admitted
and already pleaded guilty to knowing exactly where his wife was,
to knowing that he had cut her up and thrown
her body in dumpsters. To hear him blatantly lying to
(19:18):
Belie for hours, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He's cold, he is cool.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
He doesn't sound you know what, He would never sound
menacing to you, but now hearing it and understanding what
he had done, to hear him this way.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Is well, it just it would make me feel like
there's no way I can believe anything this man says,
because he's very convincing. He seems concerned, but he didn't
seem like he wasn't nervous. So if he was able
to regulate himself, knowing what he just had done, that
would make me feel like I couldn't believe anything that
(19:55):
came out of his mouth.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
That's just my sense as a journ But that.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Is a good point. He is now disqualified.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, how could you trust anything when you are literally
and he is admitting that you are listening to him calmly,
coolly and expertly lie to police expertly, and he and
to me when I was listening to him, he sounded
like a nice guy next door. Now, he did admit
to police that he did have some legal issues, with
(20:24):
some issues, there's a whole other side to him where
he was actually about to go to prison and he
was under house arrest when this all went down. So obviously,
learning that he had been convicted criminally of something, you know,
would have been you know, certainly something that raised an
eyebrow for police. But just listening to him, just talking
(20:45):
to the guy, just being around him, hearing his kids
in the background, a father of three, you he didn't
seem menacing at all, which makes.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It all the scarier.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, folks, this is one we are going to keep
a very close eye on. On your Apple podcast app,
the top right corner there with our show page says
follow hit that and you can get these update. We
will be doing this and keeping an eye on this
every day and giving updates every day. This is going
to be an explosive, explosive trial with the possibility bro
(21:20):
I cannot wait to hear with the prosecution how they
lay out a case for how she died, how they
think she died, and how they could know at all.
It's amazing not a trace of this woman since January one.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Three.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
All right, so folks, trial continues, tomorrow, might be cut short.
We got some weather here in the Northeast, so they
acknowledge this. That trial in Massachusetts. We're keeping an eye
there as well. But folks, we always appreciate you spending
some time with us. For my dear Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes.
We will talk to you all soon.
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