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Great podcast dot com. Today's entry is the Push Podcast
Wheelchair Basketball in the USA by Derrick Hoot. We love
this podcast for the way at centers the voices of
athletes with disabilities, using sports journalism as a vehicle for
larger conversations about whose stories matter. As a competitive wheelchair
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basketball player himself, Derek's personal connection to the game makes
him a dynamic host who understands what it takes to
rise to the top of the sport. I'm Derrik Coop
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turnover of the game on second violation and you see
the little chess match that this wheelchair basketball and how
part used to play aft great spinning move. Thank you
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and it's supine water. Because this is a special edition
episode and one that I hope a lot of people
outside the wheelchair basketball community are listening to. I do
want to give some history for the kids at home,
so let's talk wheelchair hoops. Wheelchair basketball started in and
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like most things in the United States that started in,
it started because of World War Two, and wheelchair basketball
has developed originally as a four of rehabilitation for returning
veterans who either at spinal cord injuries or limb loss
or other disabilities from the war. And this group benefited
a lot from participating in sports, especially organized team sports,
as a way to integrate back into post war American society.
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And this wasn't even a uniquely American thing. In Britain,
Dr Ludvig Gutmann was a neurologist who established the National
Spinal Injuries Center at Stoke Mandyville Hospital. And this was
a hospital that treated like Royal Air Force vets who
crashed their bombers while fighting the Nazis and broke their
backs like intense stuff. And I could do an entire
episode on Dr Gutman and his heroism and his contributions
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to our understanding of disability. But the most important thing
he did for the Paralympic movement was he established an
international competition, the Stoke Mandible Games, that featured wheelchair basketball
in nineteen six and then it was kind of off
to the races. Four years later, the first Paralympics were
held in Rome. Right after the Paralympics themselves, now is
the Paralympic movement was developing, the now Stional Wheelchair Basketball
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Association or n w b A was growing in the
United States, founded by Tim Nugent at the University of Illinois.
Since then, the n w BA has grown from a
handful of college teams to hundreds of youth, college and
adult teams across the country. It's help players with disabilities
gained confidence, go to college, find jobs, and even represent
their countries in international competition. And so it's a game
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with deep history and goals that go beyond sports. But
it's also changed a lot over the years to become faster,
more competitive, and more exposed than ever before. With social
media and the advent of streaming sports and the movement
for inclusion in the world of sports. We've really gone
a long way from heavy folding hospital chairs, from these
rehab hospitals that pioneered the sport to custom engineered three
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thousand dollars wheelchair frames and players who are, you know,
hiring personal trainers and nutritionists, seeking sponsorships, playing in European leagues.
There's just a level of professionalism now that I think
is unprecedented and that's really cool to see. And that
brings me to my guests. Who is really the embodiment
of professionalism in this sport. One of the first American
pro players I ever knew of when I was growing
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up around the sport. He's a five time Paralympian, three
time medalists and two time gold medalist, and wheelchair basketball
for Team USA. After graduating from University of Wisconsin Whitewater
with a degree in sociology, he played professionally in Turkey, Italy,
Germany and Spain and he's just coming off a gold
medal win in Tokyo. Matt Scott, Welcome to the pod Man.
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That's ah, that's a It's a beautiful introduction. And every
time they say two time gold medalists, I get I
get a little shiver, man, because that is not a
that's not something easy to come by, and I'm I'm
grateful to uh to have accomplished that well, I think,
I mean not only like the back to back nature
of it, but I think this game's and just the
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lead up and the doubt of like is it gonna
even happen, and the thoughts that you probably had after
the delay of the games, and you had even a
special situation and we'll go into that a little later,
just just medically a really scary moment where it was
like probably questioning, am I going to be able to
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play this game again, let alone at a at a
Paralympic level again. But I do, I do kind of
want to start in the very beginning. You were born
with with spina bifida and it's a congenital birth effect.
It affects your spine and left you without the ability
to walk. But growing up in in the Detroit area,
you say you played a lot of sports beside your
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able body. Peers, how did that kind of influence your
competitive drive and how are you ultimately introduced to the
sport of wheelchair basketball? So that that was tremendous to
my to my competitive drive. Just being able to compete
with the kids around me and then not looking down
on me or or treated me, especially because I was
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in a wheelchair. That did wonders to me. Um. You know,
I would step on a basketball court, roll out to
a basketball court, and they were you know, if I
was selected on the team, you know, whether you know, Hey,
I want Little John, I want you know, Matt, I
want you know, Chris um. As they're selected teams, I'm
expected to hold my own and when I wasn't, when
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I didn't, you know, they would hold me accountable. You know,
I missed a shot, they would talk trash to me. Um.
You know, if I if you know, if I was
playing bad defense, they would run around me. Um. That that, really,
I think was such an advantage when I started playing
wheelchair basketball, just because I when I when I first
was introduced to it, I thought like, man, you know,
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I've been playing with these with these able body guys.
I think I can handle this. But it's not it's
not like that. It's not like that at all. You
don't you know, you don't step onto the streetball court
with your with your friends and then get on the
wheelchair basketball floor and think you're just gonna dominate. Um.
Wheelchair basketball has some incredible players, They have some incredible
talent um in the athleticism and it is just next level.
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I think it's something that you absolutely have to see. UM.
So when I when I transitioned from playing the street
ball with my friends to play wheelchair basketball, I knew
how to play the game. I was pretty good at basketball,
but I really had to learn the ins and outs
of how to um, how to manipulate the game. It's
just it's it's a little bit of a different game.
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And say, you have to be more creative with space
because you can't just run through a guy like you
watch Lebron run through a guy enable body basketball. It's
it's more of a chess match. And so I think
it challenges you a bit more mentally. But who else
was on that junior team in Michigan oh Man called
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at the time. So we were the sterly highest challengers
and uh, I remember being watching my first practice, UM
and guys like Mikey Pay, Jason Nels, Matt Bushy, Dinny
moh Um, those those of names that that everybody Wilshire
basketball knows. Um, those are you know, all those guys
went through a collegiate program. All those guys played really
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high level, um, you know, national team caliber, national champions uh,
you know, just just really good nationally um well known talent.
But they were just in their in their humble beginnings
back then as well. Yeah, and like you said, a
lot of those players ended up going to college programs.
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To the players you named, mike yupayon j Newm's went
to U t A and other two of the players
that you named, Matt Bushy and Daniel I went to Illinois.
What drove you to go to the University of Wisconsin
Whitewater and be kind of the the I don't want
to say outcast, but the automan at those college decisions,
that's for sure that I mean, it is the it
is the odd one out. So it's interesting enough. Um
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And and this is this is a great question because
I would say I was really close to went to
the University of Texas Oullington. My junior year. I was
wearing like U t A T shirts, like I was
wearing in like two tournaments, and like people people thought like, yeah, okay,
he's going to U t A. You know, Mikey pay
is one of my best friends in the entire world.
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Been friends for you know, almost two decades now, and Um,
I was I wanted to play with him, you know,
I wanted to I wanted to go there. It was
a full right scholarship. I thought that's where I was
gonna go. Um. But when I turned when I got
to my junior of high school, I made that that
under twenty three team under twenty three team that went
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to Brazil in two thousand and one. Man, that was
a long time ago. Yeah, two thousand and one went
to Brazil, and the coach of that team was Chasey
Tracy Chilwick, and that that was the current coach of
h University of Wisconsin Whitewater. Um, Whitewater wasn't really on
my radar. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, it's a
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small small town, it's a small school, but with a
lot of heart. Um. I quickly got to know Tracy's
coaching style. I got to know some of the players
that were on that team, and they were really close knit.
Like I just I just loved it. Um. And they
weren't guys that were like, quote unquote like blue Chippers.
There were guys that like went after it in like
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hard workers and and I think that's what I wanted.
I felt like I had the talent coming out of
out of juniors. I felt like people knew that I
could play the game, but I wanted to learn how
to play at a at a at the next level.
I didn't want to just say take my talent and
then just coast on them to be I don't know,
as good as I might naturally be. I wanted to
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hammer myself out and to be one of one of
the best players I possibly could. Yeah, I mean, looking
back at those five years, you won championships three out
of those five years, right, and and it was just
kind of a different style of basketball that those wreck
years were. It was really cool to watch coming up
as like a camper and stuff. Right now, Team USA
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is kind of at the top of the mountain after
back to back Golds, Rio and Tokyo, But it wasn't
always that way. There was kind of this this metal drought.
And then your your BBC interview that you give you
describe an experience in two thousand and four just land
floor crying after losing to Great Britain in the quarterfinals
game because you knew how much better team usay could do?
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How did that change your mindset going into Beijing and beyond?
So that quarterfinal game was so crazy because we had
fun as hard as we possibly could and we couldn't.
We we got to the number one seed in that pool.
So I get the number one seed in the pool.
Was was was amazing to us because it means that like,
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you know, maybe maybe our road to to metal, you know,
the metal rounds wouldn't be as difficult. Well, then we
got then we got matched up with gb who we
had we had played I think seven or eight times
that that whole summer. So we good going into it
because you know, we we we had seen them, you know,
we we knew that they were good, but we had
seen them before. Oh man, that the game, the way
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that game went was just was just crazy. You know,
it came down to like a intentional file some free
throw shots at the end. We end up losing the
game by three points. Um and those those kind of
games it feels like somebody ripped your heart out because
you don't have control over where you go from there.
So you lose to the quarterfinal, you automatically get bumped
down to no no medal contention seventh or eighth place
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or whatever. Um. Yeah, that was a that was a
gut wrenching experience. I'm only a team thinking that it's
the end of the world at that point. You know,
I'm really sad and just just but I'm feeling like
I let my team down. And um, you know, you're young,
you you you you you you feel like you're you
get you get to the the Paralympics and you need
to represent to the best of your ability. Where Team
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USA we have to we have to win. Go. Um
it's that mindset. But that that wasn't realistic. We were
a young team. Um. We were led by you know,
some of the some of the younger guys in the
in the you know, in the world at the at
that time, I was eighteen, you know, Mikey pay was
really young. Jay Nilms was really young. Uh. We had
a long way to go. We had a long way
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to go, but we really wanted it right now. We
wanted to we wanted to win now. So are you asked,
how did it change my mentality going into two thousand
and eight, I knew I knew what the best team
looked like. After after going to after losing the two
thousand and four, you know, seeing how Canada was, seeing
how Australia was, seeing how g we was, I knew
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what the best team looks looked like, I know what
the best players look like, and I knew exactly how
hard I needed to work in order to be at
that level. When we came back in two thousand and eight,
I'm convinced. I'm convinced we had the best team in
the world. We just underachieved. Like you said, it feels
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like the end of the world. But that whole time
you're you're scouting, you know, you're learning ing from the vets,
and you're learning from the the best players in the world,
and you get to see how they execute and how
they make those achievements happen. So it's it's not the
end of the world. It's the it's the beginning of
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like you getting better and your team getting better and
the program getting better. So two thousand and eight was
your second parent Olympics, and in Beijing, team MSA went
further than in Athens. They weren't knocked out until the
semifinal round by a strong Canadian team, and then they
had another close game with GB in the bronze medal game,
which is which is tough, But would you say at
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that point GB was like the rival you guys were
trying to figure out or what was that relationship kind
of to be honest, So as as I said earlier
in the in the conversation, I wholeheartedly believe that team
US they have the best team in the world. In
two thousand and eight, we just underachieved up. I think
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that blow of losing that triple overtime game against Canada
in the semifinal with this mentality going into Beijing that
anything less than gold was a disappointment that really mentally
damaged our our ability to go out in that bronze
medal game and have any fight. Yeah, I think that
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we didn't approach that bronze medal game with We didn't
We didn't treat it with with the with the care
and the respect of an athlete that that could potentially
bring home some hardware because that that triple overtime game
was such a heartbreaker. Um it was, you know that
that that's definitely to this day is probably one of
the most heartbreaking games I've ever played. You know, we
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went up huge against Canada to start the game. It
was like Team too, and it was a great exactly.
Uh and they just you know, they just kept you know,
kept fighting back, kept fighting back. We you know, we
got bit by the free throw monster, you know, but
we could close it out. We had three guys file
out of that game, including myself, you know, Paulie filed out,
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Joe Chambers found out. I also fouled out, um and
it was it was just such a you know that
such a disappointing game. And I think in having to
turn around and play the very next day against the
team that really was pumped able, you know, pumped to
come out of Team Yeah, another good team and they're
they're happy to go home bronze medalist, whereas we're just
like between legs and not really happy about it. That
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was It's an interesting way to to end Beijing having
you know, we're gonna fast forward obviously you're probably gonna
talk about London a little bit. I was gonna say,
spoiler alert, It makes you appreciate a bronze medal more exactly.
It changed every Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, like you said,
after eight years on Team say you you brought home
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in first medal or bronze you left for Italy and
you played with the team called Porto Torres, and some
of your game film, especially if you making threes, went
viral and there was a write up from the blog Undefeated.
They published a right up in called meet the Steph
Curry of Wheelchair Basketball, and Whistle Sports pasted your highlight
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video and so it started to to kind of get
some some following on social media. How important was that
right up in that viral video to you those um
I remember remember very very vividly going through those times.
UM remember going through those times because I just left
Turkey where I I struggled a lot offensively, and you know,
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I played for a coach at the time that really
let me know it. He just really let me know what.
He was really hard on me, and I was I
was like determinedive. It's almost like when like I don't know,
like you break up with a significant other and you're like,
I'm gonna go beet the you know kind of thing.
It's like, you know, I was like, I'm gonna go
I'm gonna show this guy and that you know, not
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only you know, can I shoot the rock. I'm gonna
I'm gonna be the best shooter, you know, I'm gonna
go out and I'm just gonna kill it. I didn't.
I didn't go set out to to be you know,
the Steph Curry and wheelchair basketball or I didn't never
consider myself to be that. However, uh if that that
for those those two years in Italy, Um, I went
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off that particular viral game that that you're that you're
talking about. Um, I think I hit like eight or
nine three um all in the second half. That that
was cool because of the environment, um that that we
put that we're playing in, because we're playing Ken two,
which is you know, one of the best teams in Italy.
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They also just happened to play in front of like
one of the biggest crowds in Europe. Like they attract
a lot of people. UM. So the environment was great
and also it was you know, it was it was
it was televised and it was you know all you know,
it's great cameras and all that. So when those clips
got put out on the internet, not only was a
high quality, you know, it was against a really good team,
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so you know, the the competitiveness is up there and
you can see it going and the you can see
like the crowd like it was just it was just
the crowd. Yeah, everything was I mean, everything was just
fell in the line. You know when those when those
clips hit the internet, people were just going crazy. I
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just remember just being tagged and having all these mentioned everything. Uh.
To be honestly, I couldn't believe what is going on,
you know because I didn't even know who Whistle Sports was,
and they were reaching out to me like, hey, can
we share this, and I'm like, yes, yes you can.
Got like you know, when they when they put that
on Whistle Sports and they got a million views and
under a few days, I was I was blown away. No,
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it's it's awesome for the sport. And I think, like
you said, you know, like you don't necessarily think of
yourself as the Steph current wheelchair basketball, but it's cool
that you were able to fill in that super offensive
and work on something that like, like you said, your
coach had been nagging you back in back in Turkey, right,
So then you guys broke the broke the metal drought.
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But then you finally broke the gold drought and in
t Musa came home with the gold. They beat a
really talented Turkish and Spanish team in the semis and
in the gold medal match. What were some of your
favorite moments from those games and did you get a
chance to reflect on all that hard work in that moment?
Of course. Man, it's it's uh, everything kind of hits
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you at once. You know, once the once the siren
goes off, are immediately charged. Mikey pay Um having um,
I mean this even though talking talking about it right
now is you know, giving me some really good, really
good feelings. But you know, having him being at my
first wheelchair basketball practice and us coming to such a
long way, Um, it was, you know, I immediately charged
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Adam gave him a huge hug. It was a super
emotional moment. You you do get a chance to reflect
on it, and it's really great when you get a
chance to do it with a bunch of guys that
you love and respect and that you know that you
you'd go to battle with any you know, any given day.
You later were playing professionally in Germany for an awesome
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team turing in and I got a chance to to
see you guys when I was playing out there and
that program is awesome. In November, while you were playing
professionally for them, you felt pretty seriously ill and eventually
went into septic shock and multi organ failure. And this
select you in a coma for a week and hospitalized
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in the ICU for four months. Coming off of that illness,
Did you think your basketball career was over? And who
were what helped you make that recovery and ultimately retain
that goal you had of playing in the Tokyo games.
They were There were definitely times where I doubted whether
I was going to be about to come back or not. Um.
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It was. It was. It was scary too sort of
be at you know, this peak physical condition and you know,
you know, basically playing at the top of your game
and feeling as good as you possibly can. UM and
then that just being gone in an instant. I had
a lot of people that reached out to me. Um.
I will will share basketball is such a great community
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because you know, there's some people that I never even
talked to, but they were affected by my career or
motivated by things that I've done, and they've reached out
and they let me know that, like, hey, man, like
you're you're important to this sport. You know. I hope that, uh,
you know, I hope that your recovery goes well, and
like people really, uh, they really like crowd served me. Man,
it was it was It was great. You know. It
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felt like the things that I've been doing, the things
that I had been trying to accomplish, didn't go unnoticed
and people actually, um felt like they identified with me,
you know. And as as a player, you're always kind
of feeling that competition. You're always feeling like you're going
to you know, it's you against the world kind of thing.
But then you start to see that, like, you know
a lot of a lot of these people, you know,
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support me, you know, no matter what. And I thought
that was great. I think CrowdSurf is is a great
metaphor for it, and I think it really is like
a tight knit global community because there's so few people
in the middle of that ven diagram of people with
disabilities and people who are like high on athletics, you know,
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and so that that bubble gets it's pretty small, and
it's they all care about each other and and we
all want to see each other do well. So I
think crowdsurfing is the perfect metaphor there. And obviously, you know,
leading up to the games, there were setbacks that every
athlete faced leading up to Tokyo because they were delayed
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a full year until summer COVID nineteen. Did you have
to make a huge shift in your mindset when you
heard about that delay or after that health scare. Was
there kind of a positive aspect to it, where it's
like I have more time to train. I think I
there was. I went through every emotion. If I'm being so,
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I think I started off in this like in this
this high like I was. I was pumped still because
I'm like, well, first of all, it hasn't been canceled.
Hasn't been canceled. They used the word postpone, which means
they're a chance. Um, you know, I'm high on optimism.
I'm like, yeah, okay, that's awesome. It's just gonna get
pushed back a few months. I was also living in
Turnee at the time, and you've seen that gym. It's awesome.
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It's like a wheelchair basketball. It's a good place. I
was like quarantine in the basketball court with one of
my best friends in the world, you know. So me
and him were just like we were going to the
gym every day and it wasn't open to the public anymore.
So it was just our gym and like, you know,
we were working on our game. Um, I mean I was.
I was in a pretty good shape. I was like, yeah,
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let's do this. Uh, you know, a couple more months
are gonna go by and then COVID is gonna be
over right, And then then then then I kind of
hit a wall, you know, and then it's like, oh man,
you know, you start you don't really see the light
at the end of the tunnel, and you start doubting.
You start people start talking about like, oh, they're gonna
cancel it, they're gonna get you know, you try to
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tune them out, but you can't quite huh. Um. So
in the middle I think I was, I was starting
to get a bit down. Then you then, you know,
I started, you know, really kind of leading on my
teammates a bit, Hey, what are you doing? How are
you training? Okay, you know, motivating ourselves modeing are motivating
ourselves by by ourselves. And that's when I really started
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to be like, Okay, whether Tokyo happens or not, I'm
gonna be ready, and I'm gonna be ready because of
these guys. These guys got me ready, and I'm gonna
do it, and the Paralympic games in Tokyo had ended
up being pretty dramatic for the USA men. In the
first round, you edged out Germany by three points, and
that was a heavily contested game where Tommy Bowman shot
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really well from three point land and and you SA
was aided by Brian Bell's offensive run in the fourth quarter. Later,
USA lost by one point to their arrival Great Britain
and pool play and after routing Australia and Algeria, you
had another close game against Turkey and playoffs. After this
third close game, Captain Steve Serial gave a pretty passionate
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postgame speech. What did Steve say to get the team
fired up after that Turkey game? I mean, Steve, he's
a he's a good leader man. I mean, it's not
about what he said. It's about it's about how he
said it. It's with the intent that he said it
with and not it wasn't it wasn't frustration, it was intensity,
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it was belief. It was belief in the guys around him.
So I think I think he said the F word
about three times on national TV, which is pretty No.
I wasn't asking verbatim now we we we joked that.
We joked about that in the we joked about that,
and we had a celebration in Vegas right after the
Tokyo and he's like, yeah, I'm pretty or I said
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the word about three times on national team. Um now,
but I mean it was just it was just that
passionate and intensity that he led us with. And you
know that was that was something that was throughout throughout
the entire run in Tokyo. Mhmm. Yeah. And so you
ended up after that game winning the semifinal against Staying
decisively and that's set up a gold medal match against
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the home team Team Japan, who had just upset Great
Britain in their semifinal. What was it like playing against
the host nation and how are you guys prepared to
face what was at one point a pretty unexpected opponent
in the gold medal game. So I think, well, the
way we approached every game was just to play team.
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Lets say basketball, we have this, We have the same
game land for pretty much, I want to say, the
same game plan we have. Obviously it's all it's altered
based on their personnel, but we have to we have
the same objectives. We have the same things that we
want to reach. We have we of our gold medal standards, um,
in order to win each game. So we didn't approach
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the game any differently than we would. Um. It's just
that they're the home team. There's a they we they
have the under underdog effect everybody in the gym, I
mean every single person in that gym or even watching.
I'm pretty sure it was unless you were like a
close family member or or whatever. People were pulling for Japan.
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That's just the way it goes. You know. People are
people are sick of people are sick of you, of
you winning, even if you only won one one tournament before,
it was interesting. Uh. And they gave us a really
good shot as well. Like you just mentioned, hero was
he was a he was on fire, he was he
played incredibly well. Um. It was a confident team and
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I think that they played about it the best as
they possibly could. That just wasn't good enough to beat us.
And that was your fifth Paralympics and your third medal
and your can go. What was special about this medal
versus the others? I mean, you a lot a lot
of the things that we've been talking about. UM, that
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scaring two thousand eighteen and not knowing whether I was
gonna be able to play wheelchair basketball or play at
a at a high level again. Um to be able
to not only make it to the Paralympic stage, but
also get to the top of the mountain and bring
home the shiniest medal there is, especially with the team
that we did it with with that you know, with
that group of guys. UM that that that showed me
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a lot about the resilience that I have as as
a player, as a person. UM. It tells me a
lot about the team that I have that has my back.
UM that that that made it amazing. UM. I think
I think even just getting what we got through as
a society. UM, I think the I think Tokyo going
down was just a win for everyone. You know that
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that game, those games felt like a win and it was.
It was a big Uh. Is it it means like
for example, like guys like Mikey Pay and Josh Turret,
Um they're you know, they're they're retiring. I'm not really
sure how many of the guys from the U S
national team currently are gonna return back to UM national
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team Militare basketball. UM so that was a great way
to kind of ride off into the sunset. And that
close the chapter on that team because that is uh,
that man, that is really special stuff right there. Thanks
for listening to this episode of the Push Podcast. I
hope you enjoyed my chat with Matt Scott, five time Paralympian,
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three time medalists and two time gold medalists and wheelchair
basketball for Team USA. And if you enjoyed this podcast,
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