July 2, 2025 • 31 mins
On Part 1 of today's podcast , we hear discussion on the great myth of Black-on-Black Crime, the scary trend of people posing as ICE agents.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broadcasting from the Civic Ciphers Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes. He
the man on the microphone. He goes by the name
of Keboard.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And that's Rams' job. People don't let him lie to
you all that stuff. He says, he's looking in the mirror.
I just work here.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I just said you're on the microphone this time. But listen.
He's an amazing human being and I am happy to
host this show with him. Today. We are going to
be sharing some stories with you, so be sure to
stick around because later in the show, we're going to
talk about Drake's lawsuit against UMG proceeding. In the past,
(00:42):
we've had some thoughts about Drake having a lawsuit in
the first place, and he seems to be doubling down
on that, so we're gonna shure our thoughts there. We're
also gonna be talking about Timbaland going AI, so you know,
what does this mean for creativity? For human creativity? He
was going to share his thoughts with this clap back
about the Big Beautiful Bill. We're going to talk about
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the Ohio governor deepening his anti trans position in the state,
which we feel is very unfortunate, but we're going to
share that with you. Another unfortunate So we're going to
be talking about is people posing as ice agents, kind
of taking advantage of the I guess, the loose framework
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around what is appropriate for those who police us and
using it to take advantage of people and hurt people.
And I mean, what do you expect when you have
people jumping out with their faces covered up and aren't
identifying themselves easily and far from your neighborhood You a
friendly neighborhood policeman, of course. And we're going to start
to show off discussing the myth of black on black crime.
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This is something we've talked about before, but it's come
up recently in a conversation and so we thought we'd
revisit this one for you. So all that and so
much more to stick around for. Before we get there,
it is time, as always to start off with a
feel good feature, So today we're going to share a
bit from the Black Information Network. You can check this
out of bionnews dot com. This week marks the fifth
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anniversary of the launch of the Black Information Network, the
first and only twenty four to seven national and local
all news audio service dedicated to providing an objective, accurate,
and trusted source of continual news coverage with the black
voice and perspective. What began on June thirtieth, twenty twenty,
has grown into an essential source of trusted journalism, storytelling,
and community engagement. For the past five years, the Black
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Information Network has achieved remarkable milestone surpassing nineteen million monthly listeners,
a reflection of the bion's growing influence and strong connection
to its target audience, expanded BIN news content to over
one hundred broadcast radio stations across the US, making bi
in one of the most widely distributed black focused news
audio platforms in the country. Deliver news coverage tailored to
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sixty five of America's largest Black communities with reporting that
reflects the local realities, perspectives, challenges, and triumphs. Quote Black
Information Network has become a trusted and indispensable voice for
Black communities in America, said Tony Coles, President of the
Black Information Network, goes on to say, in just five years,
we've transformed how local and national news reaches our audiences.
We are giving a voice to the stories that have
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gone untold for too long. We are providing freedom to
journalists to pursue meaningful reporting and we're just getting started. Unquote.
Black Information Network Listeners invites sorry, the Black Information Network
invites Listeners, partners and community members to join the celebration
across its network of stations, podcast and digital platforms as
they reflect on the past achievements and look ahead to
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the next five years of groundbreaking journalism and community impact. Q.
You want to say your thank yous for the Black
Information Network.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, more than just thank yous, man, it's just important
to point out that they created a space for black creators,
for Black voices, for black ideas, for the black plight,
and for black celebration. And I'm proud that we get
to be a part of that team. And it's been
a massive blessing for us. Absolutely, all right, I like that. Okay, So,
you know, one day we'll get to a point where
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we can share stories that are human stories. But until
that day comes, we appreciate all of you listening to
us as we tell.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Stories that might go untold. And because we're in this
position and we try to be responsible with the platform
that we have, often we find that we have to
add perspective and share stories from a decidedly black perspective.
Not always, but for the most part. You know, we
will jump all those before anyone else. This is one
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topic that we've had to address before, as I mentioned,
So I'll start us off and then Q jumping right afterwards.
I'm gonna share from the SPLC. For those unfamiliar, this
is the Southern Poverty Law Center. You can find out
more at Southern Poverty Law Center dot org or SPLC
dot org. And I'll just share the Justice Department statistics
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lunching arm just blew up a whole stack of white
supremacist myths about the nature of interracial crime and violence
committed by minorities. In a report released Thursday titled Race
and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders between twenty twelve
and twenty fifteen, the DOJ's Bureau of Justice Statistics found
that a majority of most violent crimes are committed by
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people who are the same race as their victims. Indeed,
the rate of white on white violent crime is found
to be about four times the rate of black on
white crime. White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics
in order to claim that non white minorities, particularly African Americans,
are far more crime prone and the source of most
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violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief
that this is the case. The BJS study demonstrates plainly
that this is simply not the case. Some fifty seven
percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators,
while only fifteen percent were committed by blacks and eleven
percent by Hispanics. Black crime victims fell along similar racial lines,
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with sixty three percent of the crimes committed by black perpetrators,
while eleven percent were committed by whites and six point
six percent by Hispanics. Overall, the BJS reported quote the
percentage of intraracial that is, same race victimization was higher
than the percentage of interracial victimization for all types of
violent crime except robbery quote. Moreover, it explained the rate
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of white on white violent crime twelve per thousand was
about four times higher than black on white violent crime
three point one per thousand. The rate of black on
white I'm sorry, black on black crime sixteen point five
per one thousand was more than five times higher than
white on black violent crime two point eight per one thousand.
The rate of Hispanic on Hispanic crime eight point three
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per one thousand, was about double the rate of white
on Hispanic crime four point one per thousand and Black
on Hispanic crime four point two per thousand in terms
of violent crime, and this is consistent with previously collected data,
including a National Crime Victims survey in two thousand that
showed seventy three percent of white violent crime victims were
attacked by whites and eighty percent of victims were targeted
by blacks. This pattern is even clearer in the category
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of murder. Okay, as promised, q.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
As promised, It's hilarious. I was having this discussion with
someone recently on a very different topic from this, but
I think the same point could be made after you know,
a couple of back and forth, which is typically how
long it takes for people to get there, rehearsed, stolen
from social media, talking points off, and then they end
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up with no you know, foundation for their position at
all that's based in fact. You know, you get to
a point where, Okay, now we're talking about data, we're
talking about statistics, we're talking about provable facts, and this
person didn't even pretend to have any Their rebuttal to
me was, it's not about facts, It's about rhetoric and narrative.
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And it was like a mistakingly transparent and mistakingly obvious
because they thought that was like a gotcha moment for them,
and I concluded in that moment, Okay, so then the
conversation's over.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Like I didn't. I thought. I thought we were doing
something completely different. So we're having a conversation about facts.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, once we've now determined that the facts don't matter, Okay,
you can talk with yourself or your.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Mom, or your family or whatever. Well done.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Has remained true on this exact topic for as long
as this topic has existed, the idea of black on
black crime being framed as a reason why black people
should justifiably be mistreated and show up in such a
disproportionate way in prisons and on the wrong side of
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law enforcement and criminal justice. So you know, of course
black people are more prone to violence, so that's why
we treat them this way, and that's why they're you know,
such a percentage of the prison population, not because they're
over policed, falsely categorized, and placed into circumstances that are
you know, impoverished, where trying to survive is turned into
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trying to be a criminal or prone to be a criminal.
So the statistics show that it's grossly misrepresented and by
sheer number, white on white crime dwarfs black on black crime.
But as we've now been taught, and I think we
need to get, we need to stay in our place
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around just because it's important for you to understand it's
not about facts data this whole time that didn't know
rhetoric and narrative, and even we can kind of laugh
at that. Yeah, when you say it again out loud,
it's like, oh, that's how those people actually feel. And
that's how you get almost eighty million people to vote
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and direct opposite of their own best interest and then
celebrate it because they no longer even process actual fact, narrative,
rhetoric and vibes. I guess is what they plan to
survive on as the hyper wealthy are kind of looking
to get rid of poor people, like erase them, like literally,
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so using these slanted narrative, rhetoric, vibe based race arguments
with regards to crime and the way that it's kind
of investigated, police prosecuted, and you know, the way that
sentencing is delivered. They would lead you to believe that
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everything bad that happens in this country, especially violent things,
happened because of black and brown people, and the story
just proves it that's far from the truth.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, and you know what I mean, I know you
know this, but you know, in the amount of time
that we've been even longer, but certainly in the amount
of time that we've been doing you know, this type
of content, we've seen a lot of myths that we
kind of grew up with. I'll speak for myself that
I grew up with debunked by data, right, because the
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entirety of my life, you know, I was born in
the eighties, the entirety of my life. Black on black
crime has been the way that conservatives, the right have
framed or reorganized a dialogue, reorganized a conversation to where
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you can't say, hey, look, the government should be doing
this the you know, this country owes this debt. You
know these these are the things that need to happen
in order for there to be restorative justice for our communities.
And conservatives will often say, well, your culture is inferior.
You need to stop listening to this music. You need
to stop, you know, you need to focus on black
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on black crime where you focus on this sort of thing,
and it's the the manipulation of the well. First off,
let me say that black on black crime, black father absenteeism,
you know, a welfare queen narrative, all these things have
been well marketed and well sold to the general public,
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and even black people, myself included, grew up thinking that
these things were very much the truth. And you can
find enough examples of them, because of course this is
a country with you know, hundreds of thousands of people
in it, or hundreds of millions of people. I'm sorry,
so you can find these examples. But when you bear
it out in the data, black people are really not
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the villains and the story like we're made out to be.
And rather than addressing systemic issues, these these narratives that
have been spun and well marketed allow this country to
kind of sit behind the narrative and not really address
the systemic issues that are at place.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So when people don't, black leaders do the same thing,
pass parrot the same narrative. Yeah, you guys want I'm
blame the police, but you don't say anything when rams
just shoots Q on the South side of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right, they always talk about Chicago exactly. Yeah, But the
fact is is that you know, for this, uh, this
black on black crime to be one of those things
that exists for this long where there is no such
thing as white on white crime. That didn't exist, it
was never marketed. When you say it, it sounds crazy.
And then it removes, you know, context, it removes, as
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you mentioned, the societal framework. It removes you know, a
lot of the crimes that you know, people end up
committing are based. You can draw connection to the fact
that they're poor, that's it. And so if you address
the property, you address the crime. But rather than doing that,
they have this narrator that insulates them from their responsibility.
And so it's been a challenge, but you know, here
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we are, and that sort of challenge leads us to
the challenges that we're having now with all of the immigration,
ice raids and all that sort of stuff, because you know,
when it comes to like racism, it's often a rinse
and repeat sort of a thing. So you know, i'll
share this with you listening. Q shared a story with
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me this would have been what yesterday, and he said,
he just casually mentioned these people impersonating ice agents going
around raping people, and I was like, oh my god,
did you actually say that? And he's like, yeah, that's true.
And I know to to be a journalist, so I
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knew it was true. But then I had to like
prepare to do this episode. So I'm like, hey, we
should talk about that on tomorrow's show. And when I
looked it up, I figured there was going to be
one example of this, and it turns out there's a
lot of examples of it. So before I read this
and pass it to UQ, I want to share something
that I saw on social media. So this isn't credible
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at all, because you know, if I can't cite it,
then I won't claim it to be credible. But I
did see an interview of it. It was a sort
of one of those comedic leftist journalists trying to have
a gotcha moment with the MAGA crowd, right, And so
this leftist comedic journalist, you know, or whatever you want
to call him, maybe he's a TikTok journalist or something
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like that, but he puts a mic in front of
this guy who's wearing like like he's wearing an Ice
shirt with a vest, and it's like, he's he looks
like an Ice agent just because he's wearing the outfit, right,
He's got his face parsley covered and all that sort
of stuff. And he's interviewing. He's like, okay, so why
are you dressed like this? And he's like, man, I'm
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just you know, supporting ice or something. And you could
find the video and you might be saying something differently,
but this is what I remember from it. Again, this
is not journalistic. This is just my impression. Okay. He's
talking to the guy. He's like, yeah, man, you could
just go and and you know, buy this outfit from
like a store and just wear it and you could
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wear it to home depot and like scare people, you
know what I mean. And it was really gross what
the guy was saying, and the guy that was doing
the interviewing obviously the comedic element wasn't there for him
because it just felt like a little ikey, a little ikey.
It felt extremely gross. But he uploaded it. I saw it,
and it just lived in the back of my mind
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until yesterday when Q you said that people were impersonating
Ice agents and actually inflicting harm on these communities. So
I'm going to share this and then give this to you.
Q I had three stories that really brief bear with me.
The first one is from the Guardian. Police in southern
California arrested a man suspected opposing as a federal admitted
sorry a federal immigration officer this week, the latest in
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a series of such arrest as masked playing clothes immigration
agents are deployed nationwide to meet the Trump administration's mass
deportation targets. The man, Fernando Diaz, was arrested by Huntington
Park Police after officers said they found a loaded gun
and official looking documents with Department of Homeland Security headings
in his suv. According to CBS Los Angeles, officers were
impounding his vehicle for a parking and handicap zone when
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Diaz asked to retrieve items inside. The police said among
the items seen by officers in the car were multiple
copies of passports and not registered under the name of
the individual. NBC reports Diaz was arrested for possession of
the allegedly unregistered firearm and released on bail. The arrest
is one of several cases involving people allegedly impersonating immigration
officials as the nationwide crackdown on undocumented immigrants intensifies. Okay,
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next up, ABC seven. Leon Howell, forty three, was arrested
Thursday and charged with rape, robbery, assault, burglary, and criminal
possession of stolen property. Officials say a fifty one year
old Hispanic woman was approached near montag Street and Henry
Street in bok Glynn Heights as she waited for a
cab around eleven am on Tuesday. The victim told detectives
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that the suspect claimed to be an ICE agent and
directed her to a nearby stairwell, where he punched her
and tried to rape her. A suspect snatched a chain,
cell phone, and a purse before he took off. He
never displayed any identification. All right, Finally, this is from
Idaho News dot Com or CBS two. A man in
North Carolina allegedly impersonated an ICE officer and threatened to
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deport a woman if she did not have sex with him.
Carl Bennett Junior, thirty seven, was arrested in Rally on
Sunday for the incident at a motel six. According to
an arrest warrant obtained by WRL police stated Bennett quote
threatened to deport the victim if she did not have
sex with him and displayed a business card with a
badge on it. Okay, Q. What could go wrong?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Rams plane, closed, masked law enforcement agents with no ideas
for going due process, violating people's civil rights, human rights, privacy,
breaking the law, trampling on the constitution with impunity all
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over the country, allowed to because they feel like it, harass, arrests, detain,
beat up, and deport black and brown people because that's
what they own today. What could go wrong? Why would
a racist person would a gun want to dress up
exactly like those people and do the same thing. Why
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on earth would we even expect something like that could happen?
Not in this country, not the land that a free,
home of the brave, not the country that is the
land of liberty, liberty and justice for all that. There's
no way that would happen here, right, There's no chance
that if you set up a system or plain, closed
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men with masks, sunglasses, hats on, with no ideas, with
no warrants, with no probable cause, could just show up
to places where poor black and brown people live or
just black and brown people in general. Don't think because
you got some money that you're immune. There's no way
that the system that would allow something like that to
happen with impunity not just allow it, but encourage it.
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Not just encourage it, but employ it. There's no way
that nefarious bad actors would see an opportunity to kidnap,
beat up, harass, sexually abused, rape, and traffic people like that.
That wouldn't happen like not in America. There's there's too
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many guardrails. There's there's the courts, there's there's there's law enforcement,
there's you know, to serve and protect, and you know,
there's the Constitution in it. There's the three branches, and
there's there's checks and balances. Right like that stuff wouldn't
happen here, and we wouldn't possibly like go back to
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like potentially like slavery because they're picking people up in
mass and deporting them to prison slash concentration camp slash.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Where you're going to get their Alcatraz for free.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And get terrorized, and then they treat alligator Alcatraz. Since
we said it, I wasn't going to because I didn't
want to be a part of their marketing machine.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But here we are.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
They sell merch, they sell t shirts, they're doing commercials,
they're cheering, they're celebrating it because white people in mass
in this country are now showing that that's where their
solidarity lies with white supremacist Christian national beliefs, not with
their fellow Americans, not with women, not with immigrants, not
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with the poor, not with any marginalized underrepresented group, not
with minorities. Heterosexual, straight Christian white men, which sounds crazy
to say, because they're not Christians. They just claim to be,
and they've weaponized the teachings of Christ to get people
to now say out loud that kind of to heck
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with it. Anything our Lord and Savior Donald Trump says
is right is right. Well he's saying the gas is
a dollar or ninety cent where you live, is it?
And that person standing at a pump that says four
point fifty is like, well, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He said it, So it's right. And we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
People of all elks, from every socioeconomic background, every religion,
every nomination, every ethnicity, every race, line up and volunteer
to kiss the ring and to bend the knee. I'm
still very confused how this person, not how any person,
because there have been powerful bullies through all lot of history,
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but incompetent, weak, small men. I've never seen that type
of man to people who have more than him in
the way of resources, in the way of influence, bow
to him and cowtail and tuck their tail and shrink
and allow themselves to be used and manipulated to bully, belittle, oppress,
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and take from those of us that have the least.
So there's no way a system like that would fail
us so monumentally that our women and our children can't
walk down the street. Hell, we can't walk down the
street if five men jump out and there's just one
of us, what are we supposed to do, especially if
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they have guns? And now we don't even know if
we can defend ourselves even if we had what we
needed to do.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Mark Morio, president's CEO of the National Urban League, And
on Thursday, July seventeenth, I'll be live in Cleveland at
our national conference with Tony Coles, president of the Black
Information Network. It's called Black America Speaks, and it's exactly
what it sounds like. We'll tackle pressing issues, economic inequality,
health disparities, voter suppression and dismanling of our democratic institutions.
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in Cleveland to register, go to NUF conference.
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That's Civic cip h e er right here in the app. Well, unfortunately,
you know these aren't the only vulnerable populations at present.
I'm going to share this about the governor of Ohio,
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someone who better do better. This is from Cleveland dot com,
straight out of Columbus, Ohio. The budget bill signed by
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine includes language that escalates the state's
anti transgender position. Formally setting as state policy that only
two sexes, male and female, are recognized. Quote. These sexes
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are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality.
The budget language says. Dwin sign the budget bill about
eleven to fifteen pm Monday. The non budgetary provisions will
become effective in ninety days. Policy, which takes a page
from President Trump's book, will affect not only transgender Ohioans,
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but also intersects people who are born with variations in
their sex characteristics. The Cleveland Clinic estimates that one in
one hundred Americans is intersex. The wine lets stand other
restrictions on transgender Ohiolands. Unlike previous Ohio laws, the primarily
target miners, The new budget provisions will impact transgender adults
on healthcare. The budget bans the use of Medicaid funds
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for mental health services that quote promote or affirm social
gender transition. Another provision prohibits government entities from placing menstrual
products and men's restrooms in public buildings. But he also
vetoed others, detailing in a veto message issued after two
am on Tuesday. Among those was one that would have
cut funding to youth homeless shelters that shelters that promote
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or affirm social gender transition. Quote the Dwine Trustle Administration
agrees that no government fund should be granted to youth
homeless shelters that promote social gaud transition. The reality is
that a homeless child has been through a horrible experience
and likely needs to be met where that child is
at emotionally. This is what he wrote in his veto
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message goes on to say, if a shelter has to
call a homeless youth a pronoun that is incongruent with
that youth gender to get this person into a shelter
so the child won't freeze to death, it needs to
be done without fear of getting funding clawed back. No
Ohio youth should be denied shelter from a facility that
receives state funds, he wrote. Research has shown that LGBTQ
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plus youth nationally have at one hundred and twenty percent
higher risk of experiencing some form of homelessness. During the
twenty twenty three twenty four A school year, an estimated
twenty five thousand, five hundred and fifty homeless students were
enrolled in Ohio schools. The governor also vetoed language that
would have forced public libraries to place materials related to
sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression in areas not
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easily accessible to minors. The governor said the state's existing
obscenity laws are sufficient keeping harmful materials out of the
hands of mars minors. Quote. No child should have access
to and appropriate materials or to materials that their parents
are guardians demain appropriate. In Ohio, we have strong laws
on obscenity and material harmful to juveniles, and the Dewaine
Trustle administration expressed those laws to be enforced. Okay, so
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this is to me, maybe this guy's walking a line.
I don't know. But the thing that really jumps out
me to me here is this sort of the sexes
are not changeable and are grounded and fundamental and in
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controvertible reality.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
This is something that a lot of people will say
because this is the knowledge that most people have, or
at least this is the most convenient framework in which
took place, you know, gender identity, sex, what have you.
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It's easier for people to I don't know, mix any
other kind of recipe than when it comes to like
human beings. We lack our human beings nicely and neat categories. Right.
If I had a baby, I, as a black man,
had a baby with a woman who was white, the
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system that exists would categorize that baby as black, right,
and I go along with that because I have to
live in the same societal framework as everyone else. Right. However,
that baby would be made up of my genes and
the mother's genes, right, so that would be two I
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guess racial groups, which you know, race is not a
scientific fact, but you know, for this example, we'll just
go along with it. And you know people have their
their problems with making that make sense. Well, the same
is true here. I remember learning something long before the
transgender conversation was really a thing the way that it
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is now. I remember hearing about how people could be
born with both sets of genitals, how people could be
born with different gender identities, so forth, and so on.
Back when I was in college in the early two thousands,
long before this was you know, Fox News was talking
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about transgender youth athletes every fifteen minutes like that was
the great you know, ailment in this country. And with
this Ohio governor kind of further creating that separation. I
think it makes the world a little bit more dangerous
for people who are probably more vulnerable than they've ever been,
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and as a result, you better do better. So yeah,
Broadcasting from the Civic Ciphers Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes. He
the man on the microphone. He goes by the name
of Keboard.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And that's Rams' job. People don't let him lie to
you all that stuff. He says, he's looking in the mirror.
I just work here.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I just said you're on the microphone this time. But listen.
He's an amazing human being and I am happy to
host this show with him. Today. We are going to
be sharing some stories with you, so be sure to
stick around because later in the show, we're going to
talk about Drake's lawsuit against UMG proceeding. In the past,
(00:42):
we've had some thoughts about Drake having a lawsuit in
the first place, and he seems to be doubling down
on that, so we're gonna shure our thoughts there. We're
also gonna be talking about Timbaland going AI, so you know,
what does this mean for creativity? For human creativity? He
was going to share his thoughts with this clap back
about the Big Beautiful Bill. We're going to talk about
(01:04):
the Ohio governor deepening his anti trans position in the state,
which we feel is very unfortunate, but we're going to
share that with you. Another unfortunate So we're going to
be talking about is people posing as ice agents, kind
of taking advantage of the I guess, the loose framework
(01:27):
around what is appropriate for those who police us and
using it to take advantage of people and hurt people.
And I mean, what do you expect when you have
people jumping out with their faces covered up and aren't
identifying themselves easily and far from your neighborhood You a
friendly neighborhood policeman, of course. And we're going to start
to show off discussing the myth of black on black crime.
(01:50):
This is something we've talked about before, but it's come
up recently in a conversation and so we thought we'd
revisit this one for you. So all that and so
much more to stick around for. Before we get there,
it is time, as always to start off with a
feel good feature, So today we're going to share a
bit from the Black Information Network. You can check this
out of bionnews dot com. This week marks the fifth
(02:10):
anniversary of the launch of the Black Information Network, the
first and only twenty four to seven national and local
all news audio service dedicated to providing an objective, accurate,
and trusted source of continual news coverage with the black
voice and perspective. What began on June thirtieth, twenty twenty,
has grown into an essential source of trusted journalism, storytelling,
and community engagement. For the past five years, the Black
(02:32):
Information Network has achieved remarkable milestone surpassing nineteen million monthly listeners,
a reflection of the bion's growing influence and strong connection
to its target audience, expanded BIN news content to over
one hundred broadcast radio stations across the US, making bi
in one of the most widely distributed black focused news
audio platforms in the country. Deliver news coverage tailored to
(02:53):
sixty five of America's largest Black communities with reporting that
reflects the local realities, perspectives, challenges, and triumphs. Quote Black
Information Network has become a trusted and indispensable voice for
Black communities in America, said Tony Coles, President of the
Black Information Network, goes on to say, in just five years,
we've transformed how local and national news reaches our audiences.
We are giving a voice to the stories that have
(03:15):
gone untold for too long. We are providing freedom to
journalists to pursue meaningful reporting and we're just getting started. Unquote.
Black Information Network Listeners invites sorry, the Black Information Network
invites Listeners, partners and community members to join the celebration
across its network of stations, podcast and digital platforms as
they reflect on the past achievements and look ahead to
(03:36):
the next five years of groundbreaking journalism and community impact. Q.
You want to say your thank yous for the Black
Information Network.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, more than just thank yous, man, it's just important
to point out that they created a space for black creators,
for Black voices, for black ideas, for the black plight,
and for black celebration. And I'm proud that we get
to be a part of that team. And it's been
a massive blessing for us. Absolutely, all right, I like that. Okay, So,
you know, one day we'll get to a point where
(04:07):
we can share stories that are human stories. But until
that day comes, we appreciate all of you listening to
us as we tell.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Stories that might go untold. And because we're in this
position and we try to be responsible with the platform
that we have, often we find that we have to
add perspective and share stories from a decidedly black perspective.
Not always, but for the most part. You know, we
will jump all those before anyone else. This is one
(04:37):
topic that we've had to address before, as I mentioned,
So I'll start us off and then Q jumping right afterwards.
I'm gonna share from the SPLC. For those unfamiliar, this
is the Southern Poverty Law Center. You can find out
more at Southern Poverty Law Center dot org or SPLC
dot org. And I'll just share the Justice Department statistics
(05:00):
lunching arm just blew up a whole stack of white
supremacist myths about the nature of interracial crime and violence
committed by minorities. In a report released Thursday titled Race
and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders between twenty twelve
and twenty fifteen, the DOJ's Bureau of Justice Statistics found
that a majority of most violent crimes are committed by
(05:22):
people who are the same race as their victims. Indeed,
the rate of white on white violent crime is found
to be about four times the rate of black on
white crime. White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics
in order to claim that non white minorities, particularly African Americans,
are far more crime prone and the source of most
(05:43):
violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief
that this is the case. The BJS study demonstrates plainly
that this is simply not the case. Some fifty seven
percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators,
while only fifteen percent were committed by blacks and eleven
percent by Hispanics. Black crime victims fell along similar racial lines,
(06:07):
with sixty three percent of the crimes committed by black perpetrators,
while eleven percent were committed by whites and six point
six percent by Hispanics. Overall, the BJS reported quote the
percentage of intraracial that is, same race victimization was higher
than the percentage of interracial victimization for all types of
violent crime except robbery quote. Moreover, it explained the rate
(06:30):
of white on white violent crime twelve per thousand was
about four times higher than black on white violent crime
three point one per thousand. The rate of black on
white I'm sorry, black on black crime sixteen point five
per one thousand was more than five times higher than
white on black violent crime two point eight per one thousand.
The rate of Hispanic on Hispanic crime eight point three
(06:51):
per one thousand, was about double the rate of white
on Hispanic crime four point one per thousand and Black
on Hispanic crime four point two per thousand in terms
of violent crime, and this is consistent with previously collected data,
including a National Crime Victims survey in two thousand that
showed seventy three percent of white violent crime victims were
attacked by whites and eighty percent of victims were targeted
by blacks. This pattern is even clearer in the category
(07:13):
of murder. Okay, as promised, q.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
As promised, It's hilarious. I was having this discussion with
someone recently on a very different topic from this, but
I think the same point could be made after you know,
a couple of back and forth, which is typically how
long it takes for people to get there, rehearsed, stolen
from social media, talking points off, and then they end
(07:41):
up with no you know, foundation for their position at
all that's based in fact. You know, you get to
a point where, Okay, now we're talking about data, we're
talking about statistics, we're talking about provable facts, and this
person didn't even pretend to have any Their rebuttal to
me was, it's not about facts, It's about rhetoric and narrative.
(08:05):
And it was like a mistakingly transparent and mistakingly obvious
because they thought that was like a gotcha moment for them,
and I concluded in that moment, Okay, so then the
conversation's over.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Like I didn't. I thought. I thought we were doing
something completely different. So we're having a conversation about facts.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, once we've now determined that the facts don't matter, Okay,
you can talk with yourself or your.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Mom, or your family or whatever. Well done.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Has remained true on this exact topic for as long
as this topic has existed, the idea of black on
black crime being framed as a reason why black people
should justifiably be mistreated and show up in such a
disproportionate way in prisons and on the wrong side of
(08:50):
law enforcement and criminal justice. So you know, of course
black people are more prone to violence, so that's why
we treat them this way, and that's why they're you know,
such a percentage of the prison population, not because they're
over policed, falsely categorized, and placed into circumstances that are
you know, impoverished, where trying to survive is turned into
(09:13):
trying to be a criminal or prone to be a criminal.
So the statistics show that it's grossly misrepresented and by
sheer number, white on white crime dwarfs black on black crime.
But as we've now been taught, and I think we
need to get, we need to stay in our place
(09:34):
around just because it's important for you to understand it's
not about facts data this whole time that didn't know
rhetoric and narrative, and even we can kind of laugh
at that. Yeah, when you say it again out loud,
it's like, oh, that's how those people actually feel. And
that's how you get almost eighty million people to vote
(09:57):
and direct opposite of their own best interest and then
celebrate it because they no longer even process actual fact, narrative,
rhetoric and vibes. I guess is what they plan to
survive on as the hyper wealthy are kind of looking
to get rid of poor people, like erase them, like literally,
(10:24):
so using these slanted narrative, rhetoric, vibe based race arguments
with regards to crime and the way that it's kind
of investigated, police prosecuted, and you know, the way that
sentencing is delivered. They would lead you to believe that
(10:45):
everything bad that happens in this country, especially violent things,
happened because of black and brown people, and the story
just proves it that's far from the truth.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, and you know what I mean, I know you
know this, but you know, in the amount of time
that we've been even longer, but certainly in the amount
of time that we've been doing you know, this type
of content, we've seen a lot of myths that we
kind of grew up with. I'll speak for myself that
I grew up with debunked by data, right, because the
(11:15):
entirety of my life, you know, I was born in
the eighties, the entirety of my life. Black on black
crime has been the way that conservatives, the right have
framed or reorganized a dialogue, reorganized a conversation to where
(11:37):
you can't say, hey, look, the government should be doing
this the you know, this country owes this debt. You
know these these are the things that need to happen
in order for there to be restorative justice for our communities.
And conservatives will often say, well, your culture is inferior.
You need to stop listening to this music. You need
to stop, you know, you need to focus on black
(11:59):
on black crime where you focus on this sort of thing,
and it's the the manipulation of the well. First off,
let me say that black on black crime, black father absenteeism,
you know, a welfare queen narrative, all these things have
been well marketed and well sold to the general public,
(12:21):
and even black people, myself included, grew up thinking that
these things were very much the truth. And you can
find enough examples of them, because of course this is
a country with you know, hundreds of thousands of people
in it, or hundreds of millions of people. I'm sorry,
so you can find these examples. But when you bear
it out in the data, black people are really not
(12:46):
the villains and the story like we're made out to be.
And rather than addressing systemic issues, these these narratives that
have been spun and well marketed allow this country to
kind of sit behind the narrative and not really address
the systemic issues that are at place.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So when people don't, black leaders do the same thing,
pass parrot the same narrative. Yeah, you guys want I'm
blame the police, but you don't say anything when rams
just shoots Q on the South side of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right, they always talk about Chicago exactly. Yeah, But the
fact is is that you know, for this, uh, this
black on black crime to be one of those things
that exists for this long where there is no such
thing as white on white crime. That didn't exist, it
was never marketed. When you say it, it sounds crazy.
And then it removes, you know, context, it removes, as
(13:44):
you mentioned, the societal framework. It removes you know, a
lot of the crimes that you know, people end up
committing are based. You can draw connection to the fact
that they're poor, that's it. And so if you address
the property, you address the crime. But rather than doing that,
they have this narrator that insulates them from their responsibility.
And so it's been a challenge, but you know, here
(14:05):
we are, and that sort of challenge leads us to
the challenges that we're having now with all of the immigration,
ice raids and all that sort of stuff, because you know,
when it comes to like racism, it's often a rinse
and repeat sort of a thing. So you know, i'll
share this with you listening. Q shared a story with
(14:27):
me this would have been what yesterday, and he said,
he just casually mentioned these people impersonating ice agents going
around raping people, and I was like, oh my god,
did you actually say that? And he's like, yeah, that's true.
And I know to to be a journalist, so I
(14:48):
knew it was true. But then I had to like
prepare to do this episode. So I'm like, hey, we
should talk about that on tomorrow's show. And when I
looked it up, I figured there was going to be
one example of this, and it turns out there's a
lot of examples of it. So before I read this
and pass it to UQ, I want to share something
that I saw on social media. So this isn't credible
(15:10):
at all, because you know, if I can't cite it,
then I won't claim it to be credible. But I
did see an interview of it. It was a sort
of one of those comedic leftist journalists trying to have
a gotcha moment with the MAGA crowd, right, And so
this leftist comedic journalist, you know, or whatever you want
to call him, maybe he's a TikTok journalist or something
(15:32):
like that, but he puts a mic in front of
this guy who's wearing like like he's wearing an Ice
shirt with a vest, and it's like, he's he looks
like an Ice agent just because he's wearing the outfit, right,
He's got his face parsley covered and all that sort
of stuff. And he's interviewing. He's like, okay, so why
are you dressed like this? And he's like, man, I'm
(15:53):
just you know, supporting ice or something. And you could
find the video and you might be saying something differently,
but this is what I remember from it. Again, this
is not journalistic. This is just my impression. Okay. He's
talking to the guy. He's like, yeah, man, you could
just go and and you know, buy this outfit from
like a store and just wear it and you could
(16:13):
wear it to home depot and like scare people, you
know what I mean. And it was really gross what
the guy was saying, and the guy that was doing
the interviewing obviously the comedic element wasn't there for him
because it just felt like a little ikey, a little ikey.
It felt extremely gross. But he uploaded it. I saw it,
and it just lived in the back of my mind
(16:34):
until yesterday when Q you said that people were impersonating
Ice agents and actually inflicting harm on these communities. So
I'm going to share this and then give this to you.
Q I had three stories that really brief bear with me.
The first one is from the Guardian. Police in southern
California arrested a man suspected opposing as a federal admitted
sorry a federal immigration officer this week, the latest in
(16:56):
a series of such arrest as masked playing clothes immigration
agents are deployed nationwide to meet the Trump administration's mass
deportation targets. The man, Fernando Diaz, was arrested by Huntington
Park Police after officers said they found a loaded gun
and official looking documents with Department of Homeland Security headings
in his suv. According to CBS Los Angeles, officers were
impounding his vehicle for a parking and handicap zone when
(17:19):
Diaz asked to retrieve items inside. The police said among
the items seen by officers in the car were multiple
copies of passports and not registered under the name of
the individual. NBC reports Diaz was arrested for possession of
the allegedly unregistered firearm and released on bail. The arrest
is one of several cases involving people allegedly impersonating immigration
officials as the nationwide crackdown on undocumented immigrants intensifies. Okay,
(17:42):
next up, ABC seven. Leon Howell, forty three, was arrested
Thursday and charged with rape, robbery, assault, burglary, and criminal
possession of stolen property. Officials say a fifty one year
old Hispanic woman was approached near montag Street and Henry
Street in bok Glynn Heights as she waited for a
cab around eleven am on Tuesday. The victim told detectives
(18:05):
that the suspect claimed to be an ICE agent and
directed her to a nearby stairwell, where he punched her
and tried to rape her. A suspect snatched a chain,
cell phone, and a purse before he took off. He
never displayed any identification. All right, Finally, this is from
Idaho News dot Com or CBS two. A man in
North Carolina allegedly impersonated an ICE officer and threatened to
(18:28):
deport a woman if she did not have sex with him.
Carl Bennett Junior, thirty seven, was arrested in Rally on
Sunday for the incident at a motel six. According to
an arrest warrant obtained by WRL police stated Bennett quote
threatened to deport the victim if she did not have
sex with him and displayed a business card with a
badge on it. Okay, Q. What could go wrong?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Rams plane, closed, masked law enforcement agents with no ideas
for going due process, violating people's civil rights, human rights, privacy,
breaking the law, trampling on the constitution with impunity all
(19:14):
over the country, allowed to because they feel like it, harass, arrests, detain,
beat up, and deport black and brown people because that's
what they own today. What could go wrong? Why would
a racist person would a gun want to dress up
exactly like those people and do the same thing. Why
(19:36):
on earth would we even expect something like that could happen?
Not in this country, not the land that a free,
home of the brave, not the country that is the
land of liberty, liberty and justice for all that. There's
no way that would happen here, right, There's no chance
that if you set up a system or plain, closed
(19:58):
men with masks, sunglasses, hats on, with no ideas, with
no warrants, with no probable cause, could just show up
to places where poor black and brown people live or
just black and brown people in general. Don't think because
you got some money that you're immune. There's no way
that the system that would allow something like that to
happen with impunity not just allow it, but encourage it.
(20:21):
Not just encourage it, but employ it. There's no way
that nefarious bad actors would see an opportunity to kidnap,
beat up, harass, sexually abused, rape, and traffic people like that.
That wouldn't happen like not in America. There's there's too
(20:42):
many guardrails. There's there's the courts, there's there's there's law enforcement,
there's you know, to serve and protect, and you know,
there's the Constitution in it. There's the three branches, and
there's there's checks and balances. Right like that stuff wouldn't
happen here, and we wouldn't possibly like go back to
(21:03):
like potentially like slavery because they're picking people up in
mass and deporting them to prison slash concentration camp slash.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Where you're going to get their Alcatraz for free.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And get terrorized, and then they treat alligator Alcatraz. Since
we said it, I wasn't going to because I didn't
want to be a part of their marketing machine.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But here we are.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
They sell merch, they sell t shirts, they're doing commercials,
they're cheering, they're celebrating it because white people in mass
in this country are now showing that that's where their
solidarity lies with white supremacist Christian national beliefs, not with
their fellow Americans, not with women, not with immigrants, not
(21:53):
with the poor, not with any marginalized underrepresented group, not
with minorities. Heterosexual, straight Christian white men, which sounds crazy
to say, because they're not Christians. They just claim to be,
and they've weaponized the teachings of Christ to get people
to now say out loud that kind of to heck
(22:17):
with it. Anything our Lord and Savior Donald Trump says
is right is right. Well he's saying the gas is
a dollar or ninety cent where you live, is it?
And that person standing at a pump that says four
point fifty is like, well, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He said it, So it's right. And we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
People of all elks, from every socioeconomic background, every religion,
every nomination, every ethnicity, every race, line up and volunteer
to kiss the ring and to bend the knee. I'm
still very confused how this person, not how any person,
because there have been powerful bullies through all lot of history,
(23:04):
but incompetent, weak, small men. I've never seen that type
of man to people who have more than him in
the way of resources, in the way of influence, bow
to him and cowtail and tuck their tail and shrink
and allow themselves to be used and manipulated to bully, belittle, oppress,
(23:28):
and take from those of us that have the least.
So there's no way a system like that would fail
us so monumentally that our women and our children can't
walk down the street. Hell, we can't walk down the
street if five men jump out and there's just one
of us, what are we supposed to do, especially if
(23:49):
they have guns? And now we don't even know if
we can defend ourselves even if we had what we
needed to do.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Mark Morio, president's CEO of the National Urban League, And
on Thursday, July seventeenth, I'll be live in Cleveland at
our national conference with Tony Coles, president of the Black
Information Network. It's called Black America Speaks, and it's exactly
what it sounds like. We'll tackle pressing issues, economic inequality,
health disparities, voter suppression and dismanling of our democratic institutions.
(24:21):
You must be a part of this conversation. Join us
in Cleveland to register, go to NUF conference.
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Dot or Hey, what's up.
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Speaker 1 (24:56):
That's Civic cip h e er right here in the app. Well, unfortunately,
you know these aren't the only vulnerable populations at present.
I'm going to share this about the governor of Ohio,
(25:20):
someone who better do better. This is from Cleveland dot com,
straight out of Columbus, Ohio. The budget bill signed by
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine includes language that escalates the state's
anti transgender position. Formally setting as state policy that only
two sexes, male and female, are recognized. Quote. These sexes
(25:42):
are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality.
The budget language says. Dwin sign the budget bill about
eleven to fifteen pm Monday. The non budgetary provisions will
become effective in ninety days. Policy, which takes a page
from President Trump's book, will affect not only transgender Ohioans,
(26:04):
but also intersects people who are born with variations in
their sex characteristics. The Cleveland Clinic estimates that one in
one hundred Americans is intersex. The wine lets stand other
restrictions on transgender Ohiolands. Unlike previous Ohio laws, the primarily
target miners, The new budget provisions will impact transgender adults
on healthcare. The budget bans the use of Medicaid funds
(26:26):
for mental health services that quote promote or affirm social
gender transition. Another provision prohibits government entities from placing menstrual
products and men's restrooms in public buildings. But he also
vetoed others, detailing in a veto message issued after two
am on Tuesday. Among those was one that would have
cut funding to youth homeless shelters that shelters that promote
(26:51):
or affirm social gender transition. Quote the Dwine Trustle Administration
agrees that no government fund should be granted to youth
homeless shelters that promote social gaud transition. The reality is
that a homeless child has been through a horrible experience
and likely needs to be met where that child is
at emotionally. This is what he wrote in his veto
(27:11):
message goes on to say, if a shelter has to
call a homeless youth a pronoun that is incongruent with
that youth gender to get this person into a shelter
so the child won't freeze to death, it needs to
be done without fear of getting funding clawed back. No
Ohio youth should be denied shelter from a facility that
receives state funds, he wrote. Research has shown that LGBTQ
(27:33):
plus youth nationally have at one hundred and twenty percent
higher risk of experiencing some form of homelessness. During the
twenty twenty three twenty four A school year, an estimated
twenty five thousand, five hundred and fifty homeless students were
enrolled in Ohio schools. The governor also vetoed language that
would have forced public libraries to place materials related to
sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression in areas not
(27:54):
easily accessible to minors. The governor said the state's existing
obscenity laws are sufficient keeping harmful materials out of the
hands of mars minors. Quote. No child should have access
to and appropriate materials or to materials that their parents
are guardians demain appropriate. In Ohio, we have strong laws
on obscenity and material harmful to juveniles, and the Dewaine
Trustle administration expressed those laws to be enforced. Okay, so
(28:23):
this is to me, maybe this guy's walking a line.
I don't know. But the thing that really jumps out
me to me here is this sort of the sexes
are not changeable and are grounded and fundamental and in
(28:46):
controvertible reality.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
This is something that a lot of people will say
because this is the knowledge that most people have, or
at least this is the most convenient framework in which
took place, you know, gender identity, sex, what have you.
(29:12):
It's easier for people to I don't know, mix any
other kind of recipe than when it comes to like
human beings. We lack our human beings nicely and neat categories. Right.
If I had a baby, I, as a black man,
had a baby with a woman who was white, the
(29:32):
system that exists would categorize that baby as black, right,
and I go along with that because I have to
live in the same societal framework as everyone else. Right. However,
that baby would be made up of my genes and
the mother's genes, right, so that would be two I
(29:54):
guess racial groups, which you know, race is not a
scientific fact, but you know, for this example, we'll just
go along with it. And you know people have their
their problems with making that make sense. Well, the same
is true here. I remember learning something long before the
transgender conversation was really a thing the way that it
(30:16):
is now. I remember hearing about how people could be
born with both sets of genitals, how people could be
born with different gender identities, so forth, and so on.
Back when I was in college in the early two thousands,
long before this was you know, Fox News was talking
(30:36):
about transgender youth athletes every fifteen minutes like that was
the great you know, ailment in this country. And with
this Ohio governor kind of further creating that separation. I
think it makes the world a little bit more dangerous
for people who are probably more vulnerable than they've ever been,
(30:57):
and as a result, you better do better. So yeah,
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