QLS Classic: Black TV Writers Roundtable Pt.2

In part two of a special black Hollywood roundtable, Team Supreme sits down with TV writers Tracey Ashley, Diallo Riddle, Bashir Salahuddin, and Angela Nissel to discuss how the black media landscape is changing.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Y'all check it out, y'all, This is Fante fan Ticolo
back with this week's qre Les Classic.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
This week, we're gonna take it.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
All the way back to February thirteenth, twenty nineteen for
part two of our Black TV Writers Roundtable, where we
chop it up with our good friends Tracy Ashley, Diallo Riddle,
Sheer saladein My Brothers from Sherman Showcase, and Angela Nissel,
who is getting a lot of.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Love right now from her mentioned in Dave.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Chappelle's Much bescer So Yeah, Angie doing your thing love her.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
We sit down with them, we talk about how the
black media landscape is changing, and we get into a
whole lot more So.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Check it out cure Les Classic. Get into it, yeah piece.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Last week on Quest Love Supreme, I introduced you guys
to four black writers currently working in Hollywood, Angela Missile,
Diallar Riddle, and Tracy Ashley. Collectively, they've written for shows
like Scrubs Now with Jimmy Fallons, The Last O G
and many many more. Hey, let's not waste any time.
Let's get right back to the conversation. So like the

(01:22):
old shows, the old black shows, let's say, like like
the Jefferson's What's Happening? Did they have black writers or
you know, like.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
They most absolute mostly good, very much mostly did not
was it was?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
It was incredible?

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Yeah, normanly are actually just I just listened to a
podcast he did and he talked about that. How I
think he said the black the Black Panthers showed up
at his at the studio because they were mad that
they were like this white man is writing this this story.

Speaker 7 (01:55):
Yeah, so I don't think they have.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
The way there was some black authorship was the star
usually had some level of veto power.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
So that's the role.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
When you got a script could then be like no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Say this.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
But that's like the very last level. But right before that,
there was nobody in that room.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Briefly, on Sanford and Son, I know that Paul Mooney
and Richard Pryor were brought into.

Speaker 8 (02:22):
By the way, A lot of people don't realize Sanford
and Son was actually an import from the UK.

Speaker 9 (02:28):
People.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
The junk step. How long was that on?

Speaker 5 (02:36):
This is before the days of BBC America, So we
don't we have no idea.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So of the four of you, who's getting fired?

Speaker 5 (02:45):
How many of you are always always aware of that?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
How many of you are willing to truly sacrifice for
the greater good? Now? I know, I know there's a
load of questions because I know that usually a lot
of nepotism and sort of the patriarchy, like the system
of starting out as an intern and then becoming a writer,

(03:14):
then a head writer, and then next thing, you know,
your network head. I know that's very hard for black
people to even fathom that situation. Usually you're worn out
and tired after ten to fifteen years of this bullshit.
But how many of you are thinking past writer, head

(03:35):
writer and showrunner to I would like to run the network?
And especially all right, I would assume that for women,
and I see this often. You know when I investigate
the culinary world, most women don't last in those high

(03:56):
end the kitchen situ because you have to really give
like fifteen to twenty five years of your life in
that situation. Usually you want to have kids and you
retire after a while. So are you are you even
thinking about in twenty thirty five, I'd like to be

(04:18):
president of the network, so that way I could really
open doors.

Speaker 9 (04:21):
Well, I think that for us, I don't know any
for us, the highest.

Speaker 10 (04:25):
Thing you can do is be a showrunner, is to
be somebody like a Kenya Barris.

Speaker 9 (04:29):
For I don't think too many writers actually want to.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, that's a different track.

Speaker 9 (04:32):
That nobody has to run a network.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I would assume that now that Shonda Rhymes is kind
of in the is she the besides Oprah the highest
level where you could be in the game? Right now?
I think so?

Speaker 9 (04:43):
Yeah, she runs her own production company.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Right So if Shonda Rhymes not even eight steps away
from oprah hood, if she goes on this.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Role, my two cents would be she's as close to
being somebody who has that network power without giving up
the thing which is the reason we get up in
the morning because we feel like artists and we want
to go make art. I mean, I wouldn't you know
I know this. I know A and M Records were
started by uh right, I think most but you know
that's a that's sort of a parallel thing in a
sense of like, well those guys were musicians and they

(05:14):
said we got to got our own label.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
It does happen.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
But you know, even with that, it was one guy
that was really music and the other guy was the business.

Speaker 9 (05:21):
On the show still get notes from a network? Yeah
she still?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yes, does she honor all those notes? Who knows? Yeah? Yeah,
Well here's me asking is willing to sacrifice because you know, like,
but it's already, but one day he has a black woman.
There are black executives who writes women who they're about
to take over some things.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
It's coming. No, it's happening. That's why Roseanne. Roseanne happened
because the black woman was.

Speaker 11 (05:47):
Like a black woman named Zone one. Just you know,
whatever you think of it, it's there.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, I'm not saying it has it happened. I'm saying,
who in this room is willing to how far are
you willing to go in this this trek, in this
journey of television of being able to be fired?

Speaker 10 (06:07):
Oh yeah, I'm like again, I don't for me personally, yeah,
but a lot of men I would love again for me,
if you just go to movies, if what my girlfriend
and I were, if what me and my girlfriends talk
about is right, you know, and there hasn't been a
black female half an hour comedy network showrunner, broadcast showrunner

(06:28):
since the nineties. I mean, I've been in this since
two thousand and two. I can't give up, now what
else can I do?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
You know?

Speaker 10 (06:34):
And I like being able to help other younger people
like Tracy come in and do you know, so if
it ain't me, it's going to be her hopefully. So
I mean, I'm not giving up until I'm dead. What
the hell that's one of y'all gonna take me in
and me your sugar dad.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
I think the ability, I think the ability to create
new shows, new characters, new environments. I think that's what
you know, juveniles, you know what I mean, as opposed
to the desire to have other people bring us those
things and be like, Okay, well you're gonna get eight
pm on Wednesday, Like I don't. I just think that

(07:08):
that's a slightly different thing, you know, And maybe sometimes
people will make that jump, you know, but you know,
so what I'm feeling here.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Is that the there's a limit to your Sky.

Speaker 10 (07:24):
Network executive and like none of us if we were
executive network executives, we wouldn't be able to write and
create new characters.

Speaker 8 (07:31):
Any network executives and maybe one of them will become
head of their network.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
I just you know, I mean, can I just say
for me? It's like if you I'm not saying.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I'm I'm not a Picasso, but I'm saying if you
went to Picasso and said, you know, you really got
to run a museum man, and he'd be like, I
just want to I'm a painter.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Like, so I'm saying, like, it's the top who's willing
to sacrifice? Who wants to sacrifice?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Like I love doing this, but was creative and then
he stopped being creative and became president for the Greater
Good to bring a susher, to bring a STLC, to
bring it, you know on he.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Jones was a trumpet player and love scoring. Would he
but okay?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
But would he have kept doing that had the deal
been selling like ten twenty million records?

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Like?

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Would he have seen the moment and he jumped at it? Now?
We asked Jimmy jam the same thing, like would you
want to stop creating music and producing just to you know,
to be in the front office and not be creative?
He said, no, I didn't want to do that. Yeah,
So I understand That's why I was asking.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think what's creatives just don't people don't think like that.
I mean, you kind of do what you do just
because that's I want to do that like.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
But I will say I think about it all the
time though, ye, so you know.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
But I would say, just really quickly, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
I have to admit that that actually did cross my
mind being at CBS and being on this show, because
I was looking around at all the executives.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
All right, oh, we developed over there.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
But you know, I just wanted to say really quick
that Kevin Hart is starting is on network right now.
The way the media landscape is changing, between cord cutting,
there's seven, you know, there's I think I might be
making this number. I think there was like thirteen hundred
new TV shows or something like that, or maybe let's say,
if I'm wrong, let's say it's three hundred. That's still
three hundred things. Everybody ain't watching all that shit. So

(09:18):
I'm saying it's a little bit of a different terrain
than the seventies. I think there are definitely talented people
now who are saying, look, I can just get an
app on your TV the way that other people. The
Netflix has an app and you'll watch the but sheer network,
and then that'll be the way that I, you know,
corral the conversation and be able to give green light
power to people. And I think that's already actually happening
right now. There are people creating networks right now that

(09:39):
utilize technology to be the people who are in charge.
Puppy out Revolt.

Speaker 11 (09:43):
I'm scared for Kevin Hart though, because I wonder, I'm like, wow,
how many people because there are so many outlets, how
many people.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
Are going to the LOL network or whatever?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I don't know. Maybe that's the next part of it, right.

Speaker 11 (09:54):
It's like, so, what is the other thing that's going
to be created that you can be a boss and
maybe not be a network exact it, maybe not to
be an app.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I hate to ask this question. Is Revolt a nationwide?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It depends on I've yet to see we get it get.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
We get in Carolina. Who's your cable provider? We ship
it's been brought like fifty providers.

Speaker 11 (10:18):
It's not about the providers. It's on Comcast, is on Time,
Warner's on Charter. It's about the cities that they're in
because it's not on it's not in the.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Spectrum in New York City, and I still don't get
it where he will be like watch my showing. Fuse'd
be like, yeah, that's true, challenge. You can't even tell.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
This is the only time in history, Like you can
be at a restaurant sitting next somebody who is a
fucking star on TV show you don't know who they are,
and somebody comes to it's an autograph. Who are you?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I got you know?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I got a TV show on pal I'm a Palladium brock.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Legit starts is l O L and actual, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Network, he's buying studio space out in uh Chatsworth, Like
he's he's doing this. This is happening. I went out
there and saw the space like there, this is happening.

Speaker 11 (11:23):
Someone spread itself then and nothing b as.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
With the with the whole like core cutting thing, just
in terms of the economics of TV scary, Yeah, I
mean because to me it just doesn't seem like and
I don't know how it affects like writers and actors
and stuff, because like, yeah, people are cutting the cores,
but they still jacking you up to ask for the Internet.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
So the amount of the amount of people who watch
each TV show has gone down the amount of individuals
who spend their day watching TV. It's fine. It's actually
that number is consistent. So the people in this room
will always have offers and stuff because it's like we
create content it.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
Then I will say, you know, you got to have
ten jobs. So I will say so I want to
say this. We are developing another show with I f C.
You know, and uh and we're very excited about the
produced by John Legend, our composer. Fund Take a look
in the room.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
There you go.

Speaker 8 (12:18):
One of the things that I noticed when I was
talking to some of the some of the millennial assistants.
I would be like, hey, so how do y'all watch
cable TV? You know, like because I have to steal it?
And they'd be like they'd be like, well, you know, uh,
like none of them will actually pay for cable, Like

(12:39):
somebody on watch it once I once it goes on Netflix.
Somebody else was like, well, I never cut the cord
because I never had a cord.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
I'm gonna put somebody. I want to put somebody on blast.
Who I live with, who I married watches and we
watch every real house we watch all of those. We
do not have cable in our house. How we watch
all those shows every night on the TV in the
living room. That's the question you should ask yourself. I
don't know. It's the website to special website. Yeah, we

(13:10):
watched every one of those. I'm like, this is evil.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
You got a fire stick you ain't never got And.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
The kids can't even understand paying for content. They don't
even they don't get content we paid for.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
I don't pay for content. I used my mother's cable
when I log.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
In, when nobody paid for television. Yeah, they just paid
for the box. Yeah box, that's true. I wanted I
got my So you talk about millennials, my nephew, I
guess we want to watch Handmate's tail. And so he
was like, yeah, give us the He was like, I

(13:43):
give you my Hulu pass with him, like all right,
And I pulled that ship.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
And it was like five other profiles because or do
you consider internet based tvcies real shows? Or one?

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Amazon? By the way, I'm on I'm on Netflix. Shout
out Netflix, Let's go glow.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
But episode eight or whatever, the actual show the.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
One that But can I just say something, But Amazon
has some of the best terrible black movies.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Listen in the world. Watch every single one of them.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Watch you watch this the ones with your boy murdered pain, Yeah,
I watch all They shout out to the game, Uh,
the one it takes place like Detroit, Like he's in
the plug, the.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Plug to the plug too. Yeah, we watched that one.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Watch they talking about Amazon realized that it don't matter
the level of money people spend on it. If it's available,
Black people will watch that ship. Amazon will buy it.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
There's a bunch of bat ballots on about it looked
like the goddamn God, like you know, on the bluff
that level.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yo, good, Yeah, that's the piece the bluff. These movies
have no s These movies have no d P. I'm
sitting here in my living room watching the movie. It
was like this whole scene, there's nothing.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
Sometimes you won't see a character for forty minutes, minutes,
back up and you'll be.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Like, oh, he's still the movie.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
That's content. I mean, but that's content. I'm watching it
in the living room. Okay, shout out Amazon and Amazon too.
I think they do a good Neflicis. Don't kill me
for that because they they watch it. They don't listen
to Netflix.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
They glow glow gloss okay, glow is though Netflix they
have they black movies because like I watch, you know,
because like they it's all this ship like the world
is a fucking algorithm.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
So like I watched, Yes, I watched, they have level
they should I watch. Netflix has Church plays Netflix.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
They're like, there's a movie here, get down on their
laptop immediately. Boy By is a movie written you wants Houston,
you will.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Starrying Wendy ri Carol Robinson.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
And in case you were wondering, there is a line
in the movie where she says.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Boy By, Yeah, the movie spoilers bro clipped. The pole
is not in that one, yo. You know who's even
like twelve of them?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Know who was in Cana is not in that way.
It's the saddest thing is that all those movies, there's
always one person who's like a little too big.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Like that motherfuckers. Look right, didn't you have your own TV?

Speaker 8 (16:43):
John Amos? In The Watermelon, you were like the water
That's what real movie.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
You'd be like Villica Foxes, Yo? Did that? You know?

Speaker 7 (16:55):
Did the conversation go down?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
But you want some money?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, listen, it's the twenty eighth I know that Muggae
is doing the first.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
You could either you could not get paid or you
could get paid. That boy by so much one what
was the September. I mean it's it's good bad, but
it's sequels to movies. You didn't know. It's like five
can play that game they have like twy four. Oh

(17:28):
I thought, yeah, there was a sequel to that ship
they call it.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh wow, Yeah, I was ty was one of the first,
like was was one of the first movies I can remember.
I was in college. This was my firstman year at
Central and they marketed twil like it was a fucking
wrap out.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
They came to campus. One of the producers came to
Harvard and was talking to us. They came, there is.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
A twy four I just made that up. Damn, we're
off your schedule. Out Yah, check that out. I love
that stuff. That stuff is great. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite
black act all Powell.

Speaker 8 (18:10):
Damn he's Clifton Powell came all the way back to
two two seven, right you Clifton days.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I'm thinking Quincy.

Speaker 9 (18:22):
Shot that out with the Street.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Clifton po the gangster, He's in everything, He's in everything.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
And Clinton Powell like, yeah, he'll be like in like
a murder Pain movie and then you'll see that nigga
like Black Panther three.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
It's like he has a wide range.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
You know what he likes to work. Yeah, I would
give him that. He every day he wakes up like
I'm going to somebody set. Somebody's putting me in front
of the camera today.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
So like as writers like, tell us what shows do
y'all like better? Like Ricking Morton, y'all are like, Yo,
this is great writing.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Yo, sell Rick Morton. No, no, no, I hear. I think
what said about the audience is true. I don't think
you should. I don't think it's smart when you watch it,
however you feel about it's the real ship.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Ricking Morty is on only show I know that.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
It's as funny as it is and also still has
jokes that have layers for like people who are nerds
but you don't need.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
But you don't need.

Speaker 10 (19:11):
I'm about to say men will be watching that and
be like, oh my god, they just went into the
conspiracy thing.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Yes, but I just laughed.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I didn't know what.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Okay, So I don't know if it's I mean, someone
told me watch rick and Morty the Ship.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Watch baskets to I was about to do it.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Also showing gum another one.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
By the way, really funny, not trying to be like
like just hard jokes.

Speaker 9 (19:43):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 7 (19:44):
What you and I'm having?

Speaker 11 (19:46):
And yeah, not every bad woman gets my love. I
mean I tried to try to support the girl Jessica
and her Brooklyn Jessica Day was on the Daily Ship.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
That was awful. My lord, I watch Two Funky Girls.
Wait what is it?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Don't wait?

Speaker 11 (20:05):
But he has a show on Netflix and I tried
it was a movie that wasn't it was a movie
but the white guys, Yeah a movie.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
It was too millennially.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
New Brooklyn for me.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
I think feel you were too old for.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Maybe black.

Speaker 9 (20:20):
I like to go with too black, Like what's your
favorite show?

Speaker 11 (20:28):
Don't do that because the first one to come to
mind is family, guy, Please don't judge me.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Really watch television?

Speaker 9 (20:36):
Yes, yeah, too much?

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Is weird because most people I know that are in
the TV world, Like it's there, it's beneath him to
watch television. Every watch everything you have to you gotta watch.
Interestingly enough, most of what I watch is drama lately.
I mean like.

Speaker 8 (20:57):
Kids, kids, like the kids the second the kids go
to bed. I watched a lot of depressing, dark adult
stuff that.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Around the room.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Okay, around the room. What are your what's your two
go to shows? Well, right now I'm actually getting caught up.
I can't live without no, I'm getting caught up on
Fear of the Walking Dead. I mean, I'm not gonna
lie to you, damn it. Uh I read the comic.

(21:26):
You could only name one? All right, give me your
give me your your your your guilty Pleasure. I'm ashamed
of I watched this show. I can't quite go there.
Say it. We're all gonna be honest. Just say it.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
Pull up your Netflix real quick, just say it.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
You know what I know when blah blah blah. I
can tell you when Gold Girls on My ass is
on the couch watching that ship show.

Speaker 11 (22:00):
Yeah, gold Girls, guilty Pleasure show that you you.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Know, Real Housewives or like reality I mean black in Chicago.
I don't feel proud.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
About I'm gonna tell you what's on my director.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
You right, watch when something's on that you're ashamed to
say that you watch? What is that show? Okay? I
say it's keeping up with the Cardigan. Listen. I've never
seen that. I don't love to watch it regularly. I
know I don't watch them. I know because I just

(22:33):
pulled it up, but I was, like, I know, I
watched something.

Speaker 8 (22:36):
My guilty pleasure is actually the show called the nineteen
Eighties The Deadliest Decade.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
It's at the.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Time on Discovery, I did, which is the best channel.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Wait, what the hell is that? Okay? Investigator.

Speaker 8 (22:48):
Discovery is basically like a twenty four hour forty eight
hours slash date line, where like every show is about
like people who are married killing one another. So it's
always like they were the perfect couple. It seemed they
had everything until she showed up missing after the boat trip.
Like that's basically the whole And they have this one

(23:09):
show called nineteen Eighties The Deadliest Decade. The thing I
like about it, on top of like marriages falling apart,
which is perversely fantastic to.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Me, is all the old footage.

Speaker 8 (23:20):
Like I could actually watch old footage on YouTube all
the time. Like, so last night I was watching U
As It Happened footage from LA TV news shows of the.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
North Ridge quake.

Speaker 8 (23:32):
Oh, you know, like I just like to watch, like, oh,
how do we react in the moment that it was
announced that John Lennon died, you know what I mean,
like cause I like the old like graphics and I like,
you know, like the grainy footage and like, you know
the best part to me in Cocaine Cowboys is like
when they show like you know, like Miami footage of
like the day.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, when they're like, there were.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
Three people found dead in this apartment tonight, like you know,
and you're just like the footage itself is scary because
it's like, why is this so dark? And like Rainy
and Gan Cowboys too is the one to hustle them
with the Godmother? That was my one of course about Discovery.
Disappointed with that answer, but that's the Discovery.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
I do still believe the Kardashians. I can't live without
what What's Your Show?

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Star Trek de Space nine? But okay, What's show?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Go to the show that I watched way too much of?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Man, I watch a ton of Uh damn, I'm so sorry.
I honestly I watch a lot of family Guys. I
think it's still to this day. I'm a cord cutter,
so I gotta wait for it to seep into other ship.
But yeah, every time I watch it when.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
It comes on TVs and then you watch.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
It on I'm saying, I love that show.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
I think that show is I think I like, I like.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
What's your what's your guilty pleasure show? Ruppulse rag Race. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
I just say though that those people are incredible, the
funniest and they and I'm from a conservative muscle family.
So we had him at the house on Thanksgiving and
my father was like, what in the brother, I've made
so many mistakes and I was like, okay.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
Lot, I will be I will admit, I will sit
binge watch shows I watched. I binge watched RuPaul's Drag Race.
But the thing I'm watching now is the Americans. I'm watching.
Everybody says it's good, it's really good, it's great because
I want it's great, and but my guilty pleasure is
I have to admit love and hip hop, the one
with Atlanta or the one with Stevie J.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's the one incredible watch indible.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
Come on, she's already been on it. She he already
broke up with her once and now they back to GAVL.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Go ahead, I don't yeah, go ahead, I don't.

Speaker 11 (25:58):
Know because I watched way too much TV. I'm right now,
I'm just looking forward to the Ozark.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
So good.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
Anything that Jason Bateman and to me is generally good development.
I don't say I'm rest development because.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I love this year with the drinks in society. I didn't.
I didn't like.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I was just I think to me, like Breaking Bad
was like the pinnacle of White Man goes into scary
dark territory, like ship like that was I.

Speaker 11 (26:28):
Was guilty pleasure staying on adult Swim Robot Chicken.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's not a guilty pleasure. That's well loved. Somebody who
enjoys marijuana. Yeah, that's just a night.

Speaker 11 (26:39):
And as a black and black black person, it's like
it wouldn't you would be my guilty pleasure because people
want to expect this.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
I like, like a white boy, I.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Like that every reference, I feel like it's for me
because I'm like them did ten minutes on he Man.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
I'm like, that's my ship and it's only fifteen minutes long. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
By the way, he Man is on Netflix right now.
That ship is so good, so good. No, no, I
mean the.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Cartoon and Killing Eve. I watched Killing Eve.

Speaker 7 (27:07):
I remember when Laundry played He.

Speaker 12 (27:09):
Man what's on Killing Killing Evendre and uh oh I
just started just ordered it on.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
So it's good. It's good. You really enjoyed it. This
season one is impeccable. Uh the joint I'm watching right now,
I'm working with Snowfall. Yeah. Did Walter Mosley right that
he is writing on like a lot of It's incredible
what season one is like? Cooldress is one of my
favorite movies of all time.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, and the glow is like glow. I watched that.
I watched him made sale. But I'm like lowed out already,
Like I'm done.

Speaker 11 (27:49):
There's no way to boot like that, No way, Like
you gotta have Hulu, right, excuse me, Bill, I'll call
you thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
No, no, no, he's saying he got it, he got
the hook up. I thought we couldn't mention who'll give.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You who passwork? They don't stream podcast.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Words.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
But yeah, I pulled out on that. I was like,
I'm good on that ship. Well that's the only thing
I pulled out on TV show. But nah, man, that joint,
I guess my guilty pleasure, yo, real rap bro like
ninety Day fianceance Man, it.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Comes on like Brivo. It comes on one on channels.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
It is basically a show about holes overseas, finessing military
niggas in the States. It's real fantastic horse. Yeah, well,
I mean what you call it, what's the political?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
The political? No no, no, not that sex work. No no, no,
they're not sex workers. But well some of them are.
Some of them are.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Some of them really are, like they just want to move.
It's just like they hustling niggas for green cars. It is.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
That's a show that's allowed. Yeah, yeah, and I guess
maybe that makes it. They're not coming from shipthole counts noted.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
A lot of a know the real truth, that's what's
said is like I watch a lot of dramas, and
I watched a hell of I probably watched too much news.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
M S n b C.

Speaker 7 (29:15):
If you can name the first five people on the
line of M S n b C like I can,
you probably.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Got a problem. I do have a problem, and I
could name them.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
So passionate. I love her.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I kind of had a that you said, because she
like she's like work.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
I love her.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
No, No, no, I like how like punchy she is.
She just she's just like she'll put like one arm
back and she'll be like, what do you think about
up in the morning. I'm like, she's already on the show.
She loves the show.

Speaker 9 (29:44):
She's such as rulers listening to this.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
She's like, my bff, I were really hot. I never
brought up to you guys, because I didn't think no,
you didn't think it was the same.

Speaker 11 (29:55):
I've seen her stand up how she had some hicks
and some dope ass ways Like she's like.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
What do you mean you didn't know that he's from Canada?
What did you think he was from?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, that was a great day. That was great. I
remember that day. Jack. I've been trying to okay, okay,
but this was incredible. Actually, this show is like a
perfect the perfect vision camera.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
She was.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
That was my celebrity friend. She told me she is
coming on. Uh is she cool? Secrets? Happy? Okay, secrets,
something's about that happen Like, okay, four months, I'll support it.

Speaker 11 (30:40):
You can see her in the Andre Leon Tally documentary
if you just happened to go by miss her.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
She's on that. She wanted to drop that because it's
a really dope documentary.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
We have I ever told my Andre Leon Tally joke
before so much.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
I've seen a documentary.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
No it's not about him, Okay, No. Once there's a
go to Andre Leon Tallely with the with the that
uh fur hat thing and his get up and it's
like uh Russell's ex wife and I think spears and
I thought it was jay Z was happy to hear it,

(31:23):
and I hit him up, like, yo, that's that's a weird.
Uh you hit up jay about this business? You know
how many times he's been mad.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
But there is a picture of jay in like this
weird fucking hat. Yeah, a real picture.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
If you look at it, you can google it and
see like it looks more like jay Z than Andre
And I was just like, I was like, interesting choice
of code. Yeah there, sir, And.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
He was like that's not me and didn't talk to
me for like three months. And yo, am I the
only one that watches h G t V like around.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I watched Property Brothers. Yeah yeah, that's my Property.

Speaker 7 (32:01):
Brothers, National House, Hunter's Honey International.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
House like International. I watched the Regular House.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
What's the one with the flip?

Speaker 9 (32:06):
Is it flip the house? None of that?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
You don't okay, I'm sorry. It does look like jay Z.
See see it's not gonna enough. You're not gonna be Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
He didn't talk to me for three months for that ship.
That's all right, Bill? With what do you watch? What
do I watch? Too much of?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
What's your show that you bringe out for yourself? I'm
gonna go last Okay, I'm hey, you being watching? I
plan on watching Better Calls Saw season four, like in
a few weeks. Okay. How do you feel about Better
Cross Saw? I love it. I love it now, I'm
here and talk that it's better than Breaking Bad.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
I'm here and talk. I'm watching the different ship Durian
musics on that.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Not on Better Call, so I don't think, well, unless
he hasn't showed up yet, I'm like behind.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
The episode or two.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, I'm buying a few, so I'm still in the middle. Three.
So it's a different show.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
So I'm not really judging it by breaking bad standards
because it's not about Walter White. It's not about you know,
some dude becoming a meth dealer's.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
But it's about it. It's about you know, Jimmy turn
it into Saw. Right, So it's a different journey. Now,
what's your guilty pleasure?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I spend way too much time watching the Fresh Prince
bel Airs. You don't understand how much time I spend
watching you feel guilty for the time.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Okay, now a guilty pleasure show.

Speaker 11 (33:38):
I hear.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I have not watched it, but I hear that it's
like perfect guilty pleasure. Reverend runs new show.

Speaker 11 (33:44):
I tried to watch, that's I heard. But it's like scripted,
y'all scripted.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
They tried to take his reality show and make it
to a real show. Make it to a real show.
So he's not playing, he's playing himself. But he has
another name for.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'm about to say, shout out to you. Is it Red?

Speaker 7 (34:04):
No black ones?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
All writers in the show got really really I'm in
the bubble got the.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
Job on the Reverend.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Damn, I've not watched one frame.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
Can google who kids better to look at? Not for nothing?
But you know I wanted to see diggy hmm, Sorry.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
There it is child molesters. You are you too?

Speaker 7 (34:29):
Nigga's think the man of Suspect?

Speaker 5 (34:35):
What do you?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
What do you been there? I like to ark watching
the Orange season Orange controversial for some reason. This season
right dark? Is that what happened? I think they need
to kind of wrap it up. I think this next
season needs to be Have you'all seen More? Have y'all
seen Wentworth? Yes, yes, that's all I'm saying what I

(35:01):
thought you might have said it Because it's Australia's.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
It is so damn the same year it came out
the same year too, Australia's Orangers and New Blake is called.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Okay, okay anybody with gomor no.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
Person?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Amazon, isn't it? Yeah, it's on Uh, it's on Netflix.
I think season one and two on Netflix. And it's
basically The Wire, but like how the Wire would be.
It takes place in Italy, yes, and it's basically the
Sicilian Mom. Yes, Mom, watching tonight. That ship is fucking dope.
So it's based on a book like that. If you like,

(35:41):
it's better than you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
You said is pretty good?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Now better than is whooping.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
As it's based on a book, it's a real story
about the Camorra crime family more like the guy that
wrote it with the g Yeah, just like soone Moore
and like the author that wrote it, like the nigga
had to go like and hiding and ship like he's
still more and someone's.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Like, is this your porn?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Man?

Speaker 3 (36:08):
But it's not what you expect. It's a guilty pleasure
more as hard as nails. I think, I know what
you're guilty pleasure, but what is it? Me Riverdale right now? Yeah,
but yeah, that's what Arizona archies. But if archies were

(36:31):
uh c w so good, so gossip girl, if the
Archies were gossip Girl, it's so that's it.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
It is good.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I watched, I watched.

Speaker 9 (36:42):
I hate how good it is, Like this is some
good ship, all right, my guilty pleasure.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
No, you're you're a regular joints.

Speaker 9 (36:49):
I've been watching a cartoon on Netflix called Big Mouth
right now.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
I pulled out of that one too.

Speaker 9 (36:54):
I was just like, I can't know, but it's just
stupid to me. It's like, I guess it's like y'all
watching those soaper.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
To me, it was I was just worried it.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
To me, the slope was kind of slippy because it's like, okay,
these are teenage genitalia talking and I know it's animated.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
No I'm dead.

Speaker 9 (37:12):
I was just I was like, this angel and I
don't it was it was it was too close to
tell you.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
No.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
The one episode Jesus Christ is Genitalia.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's like like the Girls about going through puberty, and
so it's one episode where like the girls vaginas and
I was just like, dude, I can't do this.

Speaker 10 (37:33):
I am happy that the girls Vagina's getting as much
time as the boys masturbation episode.

Speaker 9 (37:39):
That I was very, very pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think they got a second season to read Guilty.

Speaker 10 (37:48):
Pleasure, though. I'm with Diallo because I've watched too much Discovery.
I d Wives with Knives because I literally called Discovery.
I d the White on White Crime Channel.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
And then just watch like three hours of it. You'll
be hood, Yeah, yeah, is it better than.

Speaker 9 (38:10):
Smart People?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
My show show?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I think it came on I d was Nicked and Afraid.
If you'll watched niked in, that's your gram all that I.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Didn't watch it because you know there's anyone here watching Disenchantment.

Speaker 11 (38:30):
I watched it in the bathroom. In the last three days,
I've been watching in the bathroom because I can't. It's
no windows in the hotel for me to do what
I do, So I put it on my phone and
watch Disenchantment the show the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
It's Matt Groening's read what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (38:45):
We have no bad.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Series, okay with what's your name from? Abby? Oh? There
you go, allright, Abby from Rock City. Okay, it's just
like an animated magroning and what's your name from? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (39:07):
I never was that, like really it was good going
and you can't in the Law and Order you watch.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
You got good? You got good taste. I'm co signing
mad ship on this side.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
All right?

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Damn wait you had to answer the question.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
I was like, you guys are so uh well rounded
with your choices, like I'm barely keeping up with all
the own stuff, like I've just gotten the Queen Sugar said,
watch watching Queen Sugar. I'm not doing that. Are you watching?

Speaker 6 (39:42):
Good?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Here's the thing, though, man, fucking this angel needs to talk.
Every actually told me that they spend twice the budget
money and post uh turning up trying to adjust, he whispers. Anyway,

(40:05):
uh yeah, so every green leaf that what else am
I missing on?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Own?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's a that's a drama. Isn't there a third? Love
is love is too big on? I gave it an
that's the time period, the serious drama thing that's on
the level of Queen Sugar and Greenleaf Ship. Could I
forget y'all fixed my life? Pretty nigga? Yeah, that's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Oh my god, because the greatest part about it is
like after every show, it's like, since appearing on the
Yalling Picks my life ship has gotten exponentially worse.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
That's like the end of every show. She never picked.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
It's almost like she she tells him more specific reasons
to hate each other. You don't like him because he
reminds you of your mama. Who laughing, You're like, can
I pitch something? I've a sure of the pitch. No, No,
here's here's I'll open up to the room.

Speaker 8 (41:03):
Is there a show because you mentioned to two seven again,
is there a show that Netflix can pluck out of
the past, out of the black past and do like
the serious, the serious.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Version version Archie to Riverdale to seven Family Matters Living
in Chicago, Chicago with the nerd. Yeah, that was like
the whitest, blackest show. This is all about what happened

(41:36):
to Judy. Oh yeah, she w yeah she went upstairs
and talking about her going into porn. I'm talking about
why did you care? Went upstairs? And then they never
did like all right, that's it. Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
That was like ALF.

Speaker 8 (41:52):
Golf got canceled, but they ended on a cliffhanger. Technically,
technically the end of Alpha is the scientists dragging.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
He's like, will.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
Yeah, I'm still man, y'all.

Speaker 9 (42:06):
Show didn't get on the air, and somebody pitched ALF
and got rich.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
There's a they say that was about.

Speaker 8 (42:14):
They said ALF is hands down the angriest, nastiest, most
toxic set in the history.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Of the Dad was on crack. And then that wrote
it was yeah, yeah, your dad, your dad on real crack.

Speaker 9 (42:32):
I heard Small Wonder was the worst.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Can we small Wonder that I'm gonna make a little girl, Marrie?
Just google ALF, Dad crack House. I don't want you.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
The writer from ALF also the boy from Basketball Diaries,
that movie, the movie that I remember the movie but
and he was about It was about a writer that
his life was all fucked up. He was the guy
that rolle ALF. He was a drug addict. Ship Yeah,
oh that makes sense. No, my guilty. I will stick
with what I really think yours is.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I will say that if I'm in bed and I
don't feel like reaching for the remote and there's a
Kardashian Marathon, I won't rush to change the channel, like
I'm just too lazy.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
When I was on Fallin because like it reminded me
of living in l A. You know what I'm saying,
Like like you see the freeways, you see like you'll
be like.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Oh, just look at all that.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
Like it was it was like a little postcard from home.
Regardless of who they were talking. You know they're talking.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
About it's only like three episodes and then I gotta stop,
like I find myself getting sucked in.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
The show is not popular because it sucks. You know,
it's a good show. The reason is super popular is
because it's like, but I feel super guilty for watching it.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
We'll take one last break and then we'll finish our
last object and then we got to wrap up the showize.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Right, Yes, it sounds like you donald this like example
that this was written by Michael McDonald's Daryl Hall.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
There's there's no stuff, but it's sounds like Daryl Hall.

Speaker 7 (44:15):
Right, Michael McDonald, I believe every day I got stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Okay, count the negatives. Here we go.

Speaker 9 (44:29):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
All right?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
That was like.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Shout, that's a matter. That's the they were painting exactly.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Michael das Davis version went there.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yes, yes, shout out the.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Original Kim Tenderness, Yes Kim is file Erbow nineteen seventy seven.
But yes, that's my one of my favorite records, one
of the best records I've made.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
My final question is already is Hollywood running out of ideas?
All these No, should we reboot many I'm just outside
of the studio. I just seen a sign for magnum.

Speaker 9 (45:30):
P I see that's that's new ideas.

Speaker 10 (45:34):
But if they think they can make more money on
a reboot, we are the We are sellers and networks
are buyers, and we go in and we pitch a
new idea.

Speaker 9 (45:41):
Say I want to pitch black Girl lives in a
pinball machine.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
They'll say that's sold. Say no, they're going to go
through the whatever.

Speaker 9 (45:50):
Maath they used to see which one's going to bring
in more money.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
So it's not that we don't boots that already has
a building that's already been successful. Yeah, has been on
the air for like nine seasons.

Speaker 8 (46:01):
I haven't seen one episode, but like anytime, like I'm
at home and I turned on CBS on a Friday night,
you'll see Hawaii. That's a reboot and it's been on
for nine yes seasons of those guys were on Lost.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
They just stayed on the island of Hawaii. Another show coming, y'all.
I feel it's still a toxic night on television. I
think so.

Speaker 8 (46:24):
Actually, no, I don't think so, because isn't Blue Blood's
on Friday too. I feel like CBS has a bunch
of dramas on Friday, and they've been all they're all.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Successful, and Friday night like the lay up night, like
that's the boot up night. Saturday Night is the I think.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
I think what it is is CBS knows their audience.
They're all really old. They have not cut the day.
They don't even know what cutting the cord is about.
And so they're just like, ah, this shows about the cops,
and then this other shows about more cops on Hawaii.

Speaker 7 (46:53):
So like they like cops, cops in hospitals.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
Everything is like a lazy trend too, Like they all
was saying we were the HBO girl was successful, so
they try to make everything like that. Roseanne has been
a successful reboots and now you see all these reboots coming.
But the other part of that equation, I think is Also,
the TV viewers are just a lot older than people
think they are.

Speaker 7 (47:11):
So are we ready for the Martin reboot?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Is that going to happen?

Speaker 7 (47:15):
They were talking about it.

Speaker 9 (47:16):
I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, trust me, friends, some things just need to be
left alone. Sometimes you just fun up when you just
bring it back. Like Roseanne, she sucked that up that
we was like, I'm saying it would have been I
saw it wasn't want I didn't.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Want to go against Cosby back when they were like
going Addy.

Speaker 9 (47:46):
You know you never watched it?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Catch it enjoyed today?

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Actually that's the show I love. I love I know
this family. I always wanted to see a black person
you watched.

Speaker 9 (47:58):
Did they explain how the white guys wouldn't kiss a
black girl back in the day? Adopted a white girl
a black girl?

Speaker 7 (48:03):
You try to say, DJ, what you mean you mean
on the episode when they have that's the things that
they haven't.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
That's what I think. That's why they why they had
him adopted.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
Black and they hadn't gotten to that yet.

Speaker 11 (48:15):
There were so many original characters that I thought was
dope that there were still a part of the show
they brought back that they were still getting couple.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yet I felt like they were treating that black girl
on the show is like a mask.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
Yes, And I was like, is she his because she's on.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Different strokes Oliver on Bunch like just the mister d
Did the Bundes have another child at the seven?

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, anytime a baby showed up on a sitcom, that's
when you know that. On the Contine Winnie and Nelson,
Winnie and Nelson raving Simon, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
Know she was great, but she absolutely was an injection
of all right, we need some new characters.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Then that was a mistake. I mean that I don't
understand that they brought the and like Howard, I was.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Like because even like it was either if you knew
what sick comes a by the end, when like a
baby showed up or when Bumpy.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Like when he showed up.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's like I was gonna say when Colonel Taylor married Lisa,
but you know that was that happened?

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Oh my god, watch you remind me of Yeah, that
was uncomfortable. Then she got pregnant and it was like, oh,
we're all really doing this.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Actors were uncomfortable. They were like reading that script like what.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yo, I hate you? Right, now pull up the rock
that nigga that nigga plarent so fun Wait one one.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Word, that one place where that rule does not work.
On Living Single, he showed he was. He was in
the early seasons as like one of agious assistants or
something like, oh wow, okay, I didn't watch The Living
Single like that, but I forgot an underrated show.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
The show was so rated. I didn't watch them singing
like that. Now.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
My assumption was that show was so good and I like,
but I didn't watch a lot of TV like in
the nineties, like I was just always this music.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
I was saying the Living Single was was it was
underrated because my assumptions the times were about to get
a bunch of new shows like this, and I was wrong.
There wasn't a bunch of because my friend, that show
is so good. Yeah, but that shows I think that
show is personally better than Friends.

Speaker 9 (50:23):
Shout out Betty Bowser.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Yes, well, at least the beginning. I mean Friends, I
will admit towards the middle of Handyman on that.

Speaker 9 (50:30):
Show, Overton over.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Man, it was funny, a little too much like your mama.
He used always do this prince joke, like maybe I'm
just like my mama.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Yeah, a little too much like Big He was hilarious sequence,
but Eric Alexander, I thought was big.

Speaker 9 (50:53):
Called her big Legs, and havn't called her big legs.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Her name was big Legs, big less. Wait a minute, Okay,
I mean learning, learning, all right, So I've learned, uh
these past two hours that uh that what we learned.
Oh yeah, what we learned. Yeah, we got to bring
it back. Yeah. So I've learned that, uh that reboots

(51:21):
are not a good idea, but you guys are pitching
new ideas and executives are ignoring. Uh, and I'm also
getting the feeling that we won't overcome What did you
learn from?

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Man?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I learned it?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Well, It's hard to say because I've known everyone pretty
much for a while. But uh, but but no, I mean,
I just I hope what I hope people see is
just how long it takes to achieve your dream. I mean,
just from knowing Aerngie from okay player and like knowing
where she's come from, and then just watching these cats
like go through yeah seven yeah, yeah, like they from

(51:58):
they started with a web series and the message like
an old seven before the yeah, even before fouling and
like just seeing how long it takes to actually gain.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Some ground in this ship man like forever.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, it's it's it's a testament that's just hardworking, just perseverance.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
What did you learn?

Speaker 11 (52:16):
I learned there needs to be a slew of domestic
writing workshops for women, especially the black ones, especially when
it comes to comedy. I kind of already knew that,
but I just wanted to reiterate that to the world
because I got Angela in my life who tells me
this all the.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Time, but how are you on your journey?

Speaker 11 (52:33):
And well, I got these two gigs from Questlove Supreme,
so I haven't been necessarily working on my dreams like
I should have. But I think after we've done this
marathon and recordings in La, it's time she did a stand.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Up you did?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
She did like five minutes. Uh when we were there
for Rooth's picnic. When did this comedy thing?

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
She did like five minutes. I recorded it.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, we still got to talk about but I recorded it.
And I'm not like a stand up for me, nothing
like that. I just recorded it and I watched it.
You just gotta write some jokes like her. She's no
I'm dead as she's gotta write some jokes like her
come from under that when she stepped on stage. The

(53:18):
one thing I will say, and I mean we talked
briefly her command of the stage is really fucking dope.
When you stepped on stage, charismatic people were listening like
you had them at every word.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
There was just no jokes, but like, but you had
good premises, like you had a no no, I mean.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
You had that thing.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
You had a thing where you were like talking about
living in l A as a black woman in l A.
Which was like a funny premise, you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (53:43):
But it just.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
You're on the right path. Talk about.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
That time.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Now, we've been here for one hundred plus episodes, and
the common theme that we've learned from every artist we
have an interviewed on the show is that the wisdom
and the knowledge come from the failure part.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
And now you're quiet listening, I'm listening, listening.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Now you're quiet. I'm just saying that we've we've got
every comedian has gone through this. Dude, I secretly go
through this. Even the world that I occasionally get along.

Speaker 7 (54:31):
I understand. Angeler came to my first ever comedy show,
and I was nervous for that. She was sitting in the.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Your bravorit person that I am, because no one I
know has ever seen me get on stage. I know
you many times. You've been here for those smoke too
much weed? Are we Are we doing that?

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Are we doing that?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I would like something. My point is that, yes, in
order for you to get better, you have to keep
doing it. Yeah, you gotta start in the mail room.
So I think you're on the right path.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Now.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
She started out like I mean, she had. Have you
been on stage since the Roots picnic? Anyway? What else
have you learned that?

Speaker 9 (55:19):
That's good?

Speaker 7 (55:20):
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
You gotta do this weekly.

Speaker 7 (55:21):
I don't have no more.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Is the comedy act theater? Theater is still a thing
in l A. Or is that like a thing of
the past.

Speaker 9 (55:28):
There's many open we can get Baker maker, I would
love to make here.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Now, Okay, let's do it, maker natural, I'll go with you.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
All.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
This will help you. This will help in a lot
of areas.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
You're gonna start the sweating, Lord child, Okay, sweating.

Speaker 6 (55:43):
But the fact that they're listening to that, he's saying
that they were listening. Yeah, that's really your your half.
That's half always half the battle, right, So huge, huge.
I know a lot of comedians who are funny, but
they can't hold that audience.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Okay, so that's something that they listen to.

Speaker 9 (55:58):
You did you learn I did.

Speaker 7 (56:03):
I learned that when I work a long day, maybe
I should come do a pack.

Speaker 9 (56:10):
I got.

Speaker 7 (56:12):
No, no, no, actually I did learn that from you guys.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
I didn't realize that writers go through the same kind
of long hustle comedians go through. I did not realize
how long the fight was, and I think that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Did not realize the grind is the thing, like, yeah,
can I just I learned I'm gonna be real tired tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I'm gonna let you go.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
Are we going in the Okay?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
What I learned?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Man, I learned that. I learned Donald Lover was brought
on to write for Tracy Morgan. I would tell that
YE call him.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
Yes, I knew, I say, I've heard I've never heard.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
That, and I know people if he was in the room, like, oh,
I got a great two for line. I got a
great Uh, I got a great line for Juree. No, no,
I learned this Jordan and Bill Cosby bought NBC right exactly.

(57:23):
I learned this fact tried to buy him.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
It was one of my favorite songs. And when I
asked about it because I got to know Jeff, Tina's
husband who does the music for the show, he explained
to me that, yes, Donald wrote this and then also
explain that, you know, he.

Speaker 9 (57:42):
Was I'm agreeing with the way the the way y'all
saw unless you are in the writer's room.

Speaker 10 (57:52):
I'm just I've heard people say you write all of
Tarik's rhymes and and it's like they say that, and
I'm like, you're an electrician, how the hell you know?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I got another question now, I was about to let
the show go. How uh how small is the world
as far as like writers rooms are concerned, Like, oh
I heard stuff about uh that particular show, and like,
like I said, writers rooms versus writers rooms, Like how
fast does news travel about certain shows?

Speaker 8 (58:22):
You can travel real fast. If they're friends who work
on shows, You'll be like, oh, man, that how motherfucker
came in there and he he.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Told so, and so you you fired? You know, like
all that tuf you know, Okay, without naming is there
a show? Just is there?

Speaker 6 (58:39):
It?

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Was Neil Simon is the show shows My gossip is old?
Is there a list of shows that's like, uh, the
top three shows I know never to ever approach or
to go to, Like you've heard that, I'm show Game
of Throw work for, Yes, there's a Game of Throw.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
This is literally two guys and their staff writers. So
that's like one of the smallest.

Speaker 9 (59:03):
Rooms the mist producers you know, or showrunners that people
say not to work for. But I will also say
that when Methan Red got canceled, it was the shot
black writers heard around.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
The world.

Speaker 9 (59:13):
Existed because again, at this point, I'm the only black
writer in.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
The room you wrote on that show. You No, it
was literally.

Speaker 10 (59:29):
Traveled around because from what I hear and again this
is passed it down the line, but there was there
was a room full of white writers and Methan Red
didn't like what was being written and someone they were like, yeah,
he shoved him in the face, and they were like
and Methan Red called it a mush and the mushed
him in the.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Face like they were teaching them about yeah, and so
it was like and.

Speaker 10 (59:51):
They were like, you just don't come to Hollywood and
we give you a show and you mush people. And
so for the next seven weeks, I could you know
I heard was rappers come in to Hollywood, mushed people,
they don't a ship.

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
And then I'm the one black person room. I'm like,
I didn't mush anybody, while y'all looking at me. I've
never even heard that word.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
So I also learned not to believe everything I hear
when it comes from Jeff Richmond. You would you learn?

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
I learned two things. I learned that Stephanie Ruhl listens
to QLs. That's that's pretty fun. I also learned that
Hal Lindon is still alive and man Ron Glasses and so,
you know, shout out to Hal wherever you are and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Has been gone. No, he just recently died.

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
Oh really, And shout out to the guys who make
it through their nineties. I love that documentary. The fact
that No Brooks and Carl Reiner is still buddies and
they still hang out in the afternoon, that's amazing to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Soash Bill, where'd you learn?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I learned that if I ever want to get a
show in the air, don't take it to HBO unless
I have like a decade away.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
You would think that with Netflix and the way that
streaming cer I think that's changing. By the way, I
think things are changing. I think our experience devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
We were still a little bit unique and what you
know are for the course, well you know, well, you
know what, man like, I had a homie that was
working on they were doing a they were doing a
Lewis and Clark.

Speaker 8 (01:01:21):
It was supposed to be it was it was like
three four years they developed. That's that's the one that
took eight years. Yeah, and they and Clark took eight
years to develop. And I had a homie that was
working he was in that show and they were just like, nah,
fuck it. Look, I think that's changed a lot because
you know, for the first time, Netflix got more nominations
in HBO. I think Netflix, I think things are I

(01:01:43):
think I think the industry is changing. I got a
bunch of parties aways. You know, I'm actually to go
back to your point earlier. I'm becoming more of a
student of how people consume. So I'm finding out that
like vo D doesn't really count towards your ratings, but
people watching on the app does, Like, so maybe stay
on the people on the tech side to make sure
that the app doesn't crash when too many people are

(01:02:04):
trying to watch the show through the app. Like, there
are a lot of ways the technology and the and
the UH and and the content creation are colliding. I
think it's smart for all creators to educate yourself. Man, well,
I guess O D doesn't count towards ratings. It's complicated
like the apps and UH. I saw a chart and
we actually have a meeting next week at i f

(01:02:24):
C on this. But like there is a chart that
shows you, like which things count actually towards your ratings
and which things are lovely?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
But they do not? Oh, man, I guess where we
should go?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
We should ask you all, like for young writers trying
to come up, like what would you say to him?

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
We should said that. But hang on, so sugar, Steve,
can you tell us what you learned that Steve is
not on the MIC.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I know this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
At IT I learned Steve Mandela, I don't like to
be the only white guy in the room. You can
only takes so much that Steve gave you your platform.
You're not here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
What did you learn?

Speaker 10 (01:03:02):
I actually just learned through texted my services will not
be needed on the last OG do to something.

Speaker 9 (01:03:09):
Somebody in the sad room snitching about some kid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I'd be hilarious for real.

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
The thing that I learned is that Fante has really
shitty taste in TV.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I watched my say by myself, Thank you very much.
Fuck y'all. What's your question?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Oh no, just for like young writers trying to get
into the game, Like what would y'all tell them? I
mean other than like start twenty five years ago, but
to Harvard and go to Harvard.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:03:39):
I don't know answer real quick. I think that I
always tell people. I'm like, you know, write every day,
get good at writing. If you're if you claim to
be a writer, then you should love doing it. You
know what I'm saying. Nobody puts a gun to your
head and says, hey, make music. You know what I'm saying, Like,
just do it. You just do it because that's what
you want to do. You'll get good at it, you know,
over time and and and always, you know, stick with yourself.

(01:04:03):
And that doesn't necessarily mean you got to write a
show about a person who grew up in your hometown
who came to Hollywood to try to be a writer.
Because I always say, George Lucas didn't grow up flying spaceships.
Like whatever is in you know, your interests, like write it,
write it all the time. Don't ask everybody that you
know to you know, read you constantly. Like once you

(01:04:25):
write it and it's really really good, be happy that
anybody reads anything that you give them. And please give
them at least a couple of weeks even months to
read it, because I think everybody in this room has
had that person who's like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Hey, man, you you read it. Yeah, I sent it
to you at five pm. You know, like that's the thing.
To read a script so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
It took me even like I was just like, man, like,
it took me a while to learn like how to
read scripts.

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
And even the best writer may have terrible advice for
how to fix your script. So at the end of
the day, you have to believe in it. You have
to know how to fix it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
I tell people, you know, when young writers ask me
all the time, I say, you know, you gotta be
really hard in your work, like extremely hard in your work.
Make sure the people who read it are not gonna
be nice about it, but people who have good taste.
But then also really make something because nobody wants to
read the script like I'd rather you send me a
link to some ship I can watch and let me
see how good you are, because I'm not about to

(01:05:18):
read ten pages.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Make something, make something.

Speaker 9 (01:05:23):
I would say, don't don't steal ideas, don't steal like.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
Know, some young writers will go, oh, I like that,
I'm gonna write that, but that's already on.

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
You know, what are you like what you're saying?

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
What are you passionate about?

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Hmm?

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
And Shonda Rhimes did say that, and she said, don't steal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Don't steal. It's crazy, all right?

Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
Well say something or tripping?

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Did you say something and you ain't had no advice?

Speaker 10 (01:06:03):
My advice actually would be if you want to be
in a writer's room is to not only get good
at writing, but you should maybe take an improv class
if you're not good at being around people, because you can't.

Speaker 8 (01:06:15):
And by the way, that's not always my biggest advice,
especially in comedy. My biggest advice for people who want
to come up no matter what they want to do, direct, act,
write anything. If you haven't done that much and you're
still figuring out what you want to do, take an
improv class because you'll be around other people who have
similar interests and then at some point you'll figure out, well,
that person has an eye for something, this person is
a better writer than an actor, and this person is

(01:06:38):
a star in the making. You'll you'll create a network
of people. Me and Bashir's first foray into this thing
was just doing a sketch show with our friends, you know,
for for no money at a theater and wow, we
looked up one day and by the way, that was
a hell of a sketch group. Our very first foray
into anything was the form of a six person sketch group.
I look back on who is in that sketch gyp

(01:06:58):
is me and Basheer, Why it's an Robin the d
and and Andrela Yarborough and nobody had done anything. We
thought why it was the start because he had written.
He had written on a season of King of the Hill.
He was the start of the because of that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
So there you go, Oh yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:07:15):
I think writers, especially people want to get into TV
film get so caught up in the how the right
and I have to put interior exterior ninety well sixty
percent of this business is managing people and getting along
with other people in personalities, and you can't read that
in any book.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
So I would say, work on your people skills.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Okay, well we learned a lot. That's good. Okay, so
I think we wrapped up our special Hollywood Shuffle episode.
You'll fix my freestyle. Yeah right, you'll fix my freestyle
on the edit never Yeah, it's not one take hold.
We all got it. So that take sad? What that
movie still is? By the way, Yeah, ladies and gentlemen

(01:07:55):
pressed out to my nine nurs Oh look look you
just step in the room. Boy bye by, did you
learn anything? All hilarious? Well on behalf of Oh wait,
time out. I forgot y'all think I'm I'm bugging. I

(01:08:17):
can't let this moment go by without a moment of
oh god, yeah make up. Yes, I'm sorry, Bill, I
gotta do this. Is this.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Let's go twenty one jump street, let's go come on now?

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Uh one more time? One hundred ways?

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
All right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Don't know that's next? No? Is that moonlight? So that
did sound a little moon lighting? Miami vice.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
I got that one and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Yeah, second, second, second, last one?

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
All right, all right, we be happy that was That
was no way to spend three minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Thank you. Sorry, well, you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Know, I'm just want to be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
By the way, that was the spokesperson for Cracker.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Go By. I see.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
My show on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
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