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A few days before she died, I got a letter
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from Willow. Willow was my neighbor and one of my
best friends as a kid. The central trauma of Willow's
life had to do with her sister Anna. On Halloween
night nineteen ninety five, Anna disappeared. Well, it was a
little superficial, but I would love to.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Say some of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I was reading the evidence catalog for Anna Trainer's case,
like this book maybe, and then could I see the bullets?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I always said that she made that take for somebody else,
an older guy.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You said this thing last week.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
He said, Oh, I'm glad you're sixteen at least, because
I know it's because you just want me to drive.
But then it all so it can't be true.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That age is a matter. I think in order to
get more information about that, I need to talk to Laney,
because I know there's.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Gonna be your worst conversion.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I know I'm not looking forward to her writer.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
It's Lanie Traynor. I don't know. It's been years, decades.
I'm in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, call me back then, and I.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Knew I had to go to Colorado.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I was over a month into investigating the disappearance of
Annah Trainer when I finally heard from her mom, Lane, I.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Have lots to show you, things you need to see.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We traded phone calls. She agreed that if I came
out to Denver, she would tell me everything. We set
a date, I got a flight. I was excited, but then.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I cannot believe she's going to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
My buddy Chris reminded me, you basically ran away with
her daughter that one summer. What are you talking about her?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Didn't you and Willow take that road trip up through Humboldt.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I started this podcast because Anna's sister, Willow sent me
a letter before she killed herself. Yeah, but it was
like we were running away. Connor, our other friend, agreed
with Chris.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Oh, she'd already run away. She was living in the
Hest building.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
The hest building was an abandoned building behind the coffee
shop in our hometown.
Speaker 7 (02:10):
I mean, I just remember you had to go through
like this little fence to get in, and then you know,
it was all run down.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The whole wall was open and you could.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
Kind of climb around a lot of different places, but
that was the spot you'd go and smoke weed. And
I mean it wasn't really a party place and never
really like partied there, but that's where people would go about.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
I know she lived there for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
In the years after her sister disappeared, Willow's life began
to unravel a bit. Drugs, alcohol, She discovered raves in
San Francisco, she dropped out of school. It was definitely
a rough time, a dramatic time for her and me.
You might remember the first episode of this podcast I
mentioned there was a moment when Willow and I dated.
I wasn't sure if I had ever talk about that.
(02:56):
This was a podcast about Anna, after all, trying to
uncover what happened to her, or at least get a
better understanding of her story. After I talked with Connor
and Chris, Though, I went back and found my last
contact with Laney.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It was an email she sent.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Me in nineteen ninety eight. It was just a subject
line in all caps. It said, writer, stay the hell
away from my daughter.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I am actor and filmmaker, writer strong. This is the
red weather.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
In some ways, I was further along in Nana's case
than I'd ever dreamed. I had found new evidence, a
new angle, and a new hypothetical person who might have
helped her run away, maybe even killed her. The catch,
I had no clue who that person could be. Laney
seemed to know what I was talking about, though. She
knew all about the stalker, she said when we connected
(04:42):
over the phone. She said she had plenty of evidence,
but Sheriff Maldonado and his team ignored her. I couldn't
confirm this, though, because the Sheriff's department was no longer
talking to me.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
So she has stough to show you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I was leaving home again at the worst time personally.
My son had a play performance on a piece a
recycal but my wife was understanding.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
I mean, it's not great timing, but yeah, it seems important.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Do you know where my copy of The Subterraneans is?
Speaker 8 (05:13):
You're going for a few days. How many books do
you need?
Speaker 9 (05:15):
No?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
No, no, it's not for that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm looking for this very specific copy.
Speaker 10 (05:19):
Yes, get a kindle.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, but I wasn't just looking for a casual reread.
I was preparing to see Laney Jack Harrowax novel The
Subterraneans was one of my favorites when I was younger,
and I wanted to find a specific copy after seeing
the stay away from my daughter email at check the timing,
and Connor and.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Chris were right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It was right after a very specific experience a road
trip I took with Willow in nineteen ninety eight. Willow
gave me The Subterraneans on this trip, and I found
it wedged in my bookcase.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Welcome to Hollywood Burk Airport, a reminder.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
For passengers on my way to Colorado. I flipped it
was a copy that got passed around, full of little
notes and underline passages. There were a few books like
this in our friend group that we all read and
handed off to one another fear and loathing in Las Vegas,
east of Eden.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I remember one of the first books that you lent
me was was Wordsworth.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It's a book of poetry by Wordsworth.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Then we started getting really into the Americana stuff, right,
so we moved into the beat generation, so it was
like Kerouac and Burrows Ginsburg.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I think you gave me my first copy of On
the Road.
Speaker 11 (06:35):
I kept the copy with like your notes in it
and my notes in it, and we put our names
on the front. Like everybody that we passed this book
along to we'd share. And I remember doing that with
a few books.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, I remember that Subterraneans is kind of crazy, overwrought, dense.
It's about a week long love affair that ends badly.
I looked at all the underlined parts, the notes scribbled
in the margins. I found my own bad hand. But
there were other notes too. Some of them were from Willow,
I know, because she had a habit of putting stars
next to passages she liked, but she was also responding
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to notes from someone else, like the one that said
love makes men crazy, and Willow had written women too
next to a section where Caroax narrator jumps on a
street sweeper cart. The other person wrote lost cause these
were from the guy who'd given her the book, mister wrong.
(07:32):
Mister wrong was exactly why our road trip was such
a disaster. I landed in Denver and got a rental car.
Laney lives in a suburb called Commerce City. I checked
into a hotel and pulled up to her house around
five pm. I could see a lady on the porch.
I decided to record from the get go.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Hey, lady, Hi looks like a middle aged.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
That's what I am.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Hi, Well, what are you a spy?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I know?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Is it all right if I recording?
Speaker 9 (08:20):
Of course, I told you just don't upload my brain
to the mothership.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So I really thank you for talking to me.
Speaker 10 (08:27):
Yeah, you know what, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Lane had always been small, and she seemed even smaller now,
but not fragile. She still looks like she could live
in the woods.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
If you told me that we would get somewhere anywhere
with Anna's case, let alone that it would be right
or fucking strong, I would have told you were crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah. Well you know it was a Willow's letter. Yeah,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 10 (08:54):
I know, I know, honey, hair, let's let's have a sleep.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
She had on her porch. She had bourbon, a.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
Little of this.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Oh yeah, why not?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I got the feeling Laney might have already had a few.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
I need to tell you something, right. I was angry
with you for so long, you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Know that, and here it comes.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's kind of a long story, but I had seen
Willow a few weeks earlier. We ran into each other
at a party in Santa Cruz.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
My road tripe with Willow was doomed from the starts.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And I wasn't there for So why was I not there?
You were already back east, But actually I guess you
would have been home for the summer. Chris had already
transferred to a boarding school in Boston. One thing leads
to another, and we find ourselves in this room at
this party making out.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
But that was not the first time my friend.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
Was it.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, she was my first kids, But context is everything.
That first time we were nine, and it was a
game of truth or dare.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Then she stops kissing me and tells me she can't.
I can't do this. She's seen someone brutal.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, so I'm like, I'm all hurt and embarrassed, and
because here we've finally taken this leap from friends to
oh yeah, maybe we're going to date and then just boom,
like immediately shut down. Of course there's someone else. This
was the first time I heard about mister Wrong. But
a few weeks later, Willow called me from the Oakland airport.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
She wanted me to pick her up.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
She was supposed to be getting on a flight to
some kind of summer camp or retreat.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I wasn't totally clear, but she didn't want to go.
She wanted us to hit the road. She wanted to
see if we can be together.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I was free, and I did want to see if
we could be together. There was a big part of
me that had been in love with Willow from the
moment I met her.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So I drove to Oakland.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
There were years, years right where I could not say
your name.
Speaker 10 (10:58):
I wouldn't you know when you picked up Willow that summer. Yeah,
and you guys just took off your van.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean I thought, I you know, I thought
it was fine.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Really, because she she called me, asked me to come
pick her up because she didn't want to go to
the camp a camp, you know that thing in Montana
wherever she was.
Speaker 10 (11:17):
Going camp you mean, like a like a summer camp. Yeah,
it was rehab.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Writer, I should have known.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
Oh god, yeah, we we found her.
Speaker 10 (11:30):
Willa had shed bottles. She had all these pills, just
a whole bunch of pills. I mean Charlie. You remember Charlie, Yeah,
kind of kind.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I actually didn't think I ever met Charlie, but I
knew that was Laney's boyfriend for a couple of years,
a pseudo stepdad to Willow.
Speaker 10 (11:45):
She wasn't going to school, wasn't coming home.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
So Charlie had found the place, a place for her
to you know, get treatment.
Speaker 10 (11:51):
We'd already paid for it.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It was like I had no idea.
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Really, you had no idea.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I should have known within minutes of making Willow up
that she was lying that she didn't want some soul
searching road trip. This was not a romantic getaway. She
was all distracted and emotional and manic totally.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
She just wanted to listen to music and find places
to camp where no one was around, smoked cigarettes, and
she just like burst into tears.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Suddenly.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
We spent a week driving north up into Humboldt, and
despite what she'd insinuated over the phone, everything was strictly platonic.
I could tell she was going through something, but I
didn't want to pry. But I also was confused and
had a lot of my own feelings. It wasn't until
about five days into the trip that she finally told
me what was going on.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
She was pregnant.
Speaker 10 (12:45):
For three weeks, I didn't know where my daughter was.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Didn't tell me.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
I hope you know now that you're a father, you
understand I can't, but just let me just get this
out right, or please. For three weeks I didn't know
where she was Moonbean.
Speaker 10 (13:01):
I thought I had lost her. It was Anna all
over again.
Speaker 9 (13:04):
And she finally called when you left her in San
Francisco and she never went over that writer by the way,
I'm I'm.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
Not gonna lie.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
That's a wound that did not heal. I had to
drive down to the city and she was a mess.
She was crushed.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
This was tricky because in my mind I hadn't left
Willow in San Francisco. In fact, I wanted to stay
at first, but Willow had decided to have an abortion,
and she told me that the father, mister Wrong, was
coming to help her. But I didn't want to sit
here and get into that with Laney for two reasons. One,
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I thought there was a good chance Willow had lied
to her mom that she told Laney I was the father,
And two I thought that was a lie not worth correcting.
Because I had a bad feeling about mister Wrong. Did
you ever tell you who it was?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No, no clue, Right, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
She just told me that she shouldn't be with this guy,
And honestly I had to start like maybe it was
her mom's boy.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Holy shit, Charlie, Seriously, Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I know. It's incredibly fucked up. Yeah, why else wouldn't
she tell me who it was? Would tell you, would
tell any of us.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Okay, I get that you didn't want to upset Laney.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
But why does any of this matter? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
What does this have to do with Annett?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, because of what lady showed me in the house.
Did you know that I wrote a short story about
that road trip with Willow?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Was it called friend Zone? Don read sixty six?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It was the first story I published. I fictionalized a lot,
the characters were older, and I gave the girl a
different name, Opal, but the plot was the same. A
man and a woman go on a road trip to
run away and give being together a shot. Then she
reveals she's pregnant with her ex boyfriend's child. I went
back over the story for any clues to who mister
(14:58):
Wrong was. So in the story, I'm trying to get
her to tell me who the father is. And this
is what I wrote. She wasn't going to say. I
wanted to scream, I wanted to leave. I wanted to
kiss her.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oof right, strong, more like writer weak.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I hated him whoever he was. With nothing to go on,
he grew monstrous and perfect in my mind.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Oh no, that is a good line. Friend.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He was rich, he was cool, he was taller than me, older,
listened to better music. None of that might be true,
but I knew one thing. He made her happy at
one time. He made opal happy, older, richer, taller, Right,
But see that's me being insecure and paranoid, right, So
(15:44):
like that's just speculation. In real life, I dropped Willow
off at a hotel near a planned parenthood and drove.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Off confused and sad.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
In the story, the narrator turns back around, he picks
her up, and they decide to stay together.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I left it ambiguous if they kept the child or not.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Anyway, So here I was on the porch with Lane,
who's like still in mourning.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
This woman has lost two daughters, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And all I can do is sort of lamely defend
the fact that I didn't abandon her pregnant daughter to
get an abortion by herself.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I really didn't want to leave her.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That was not my intention. I mean, we thought about it.
I wanted to stay.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I could tell Lane didn't believe me, and I couldn't
blame her, because no matter how I described it, no
matter how I spun it, I did leave Willow, and
I honestly can't remember how it went down exactly. I
remember crying, I remember her crying, and I know she
(16:51):
told me to go. But why did I listen? Was
it because I was respecting her wishes? Or was I
hurt and pissed off? Was I jealous of mister Wrong?
Was I mad that she wouldn't tell me who he was?
Was I mad that she didn't want to make out
with me? Yes, I think yes to all of those things.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Is it better if I leave?
Speaker 10 (17:16):
I know, I need to show you what I have.
It's too important.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
But we stayed on the porch. Laney smoked, she poured
more whiskey. Eventually she began to talk about the tender hearts.
Speaker 10 (17:32):
Oh yeah, man, we were going to change the world.
It was radical. It was a radical change. And with
the kids. We thought it was perfect. Let the woods
be schooled, a nature, you know, be their teacher.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But the reality was the kids, the Gramets got older.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
God damn Liam was out of hand, what a snot?
And him and his mom left when he was.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
Like nine or ten. And then Jones's son started going
to Twin Hills.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Before they knew it, Laney and and the other moms
were driving to three different schools.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Suddenly our like free flowing, groovy thing became about who
was picking up whose kid, who had the keys to
who's car?
Speaker 10 (18:12):
And god, my girls hated it, and I hated it.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
She wanted diet coke and Cheetos, she wanted pom poms
and you know the fucking Sandie Hawking's dance. Oh God,
there's a girl in town, Bailey Bam bam whatever. And
she would be dropped off by her mom and she
would pull up in the front of the school and
she had this like white jeep, you know, and the
blonde hair and on the clothes. And Anna turns to
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me one day and she says, why can't we be
like that? And I was like, honey, stardust, love of
my life.
Speaker 10 (18:49):
That is death, that is hell.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
You want to live like that. You gotta take the
whole thing. You're gonna You're gonna have a job you hate.
Speaker 10 (18:55):
You're gonna have some man telling you what to do,
breathing down your neck.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Lady saw tender hearts as a rect.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
I was protecting them, my girls. They had no idea
how much I was protecting them. I was coming from well,
I'm gonna tell you, I don't care.
Speaker 10 (19:16):
I was raped when I was fourteen.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Oh god, yeah, by my dad's best friend, Davis Cooper.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Davis, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
That's so awful.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
And for my parents, for Cooper, there was something normal
about it, you know, it was like expected first week
of summer.
Speaker 10 (19:35):
Landy's fourteen. Laney has a new bathing suit. So sure
Cooper couldn't help himself. I'm fucking believable.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Cool.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
You know what my dad did, He went and he
had a talk with him. My mom's a mess, My
brother Jacob doesn't know what the hell is going on.
My dad goes to Cooper.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
The men had their talk and everything's fine, just right
back to the rug. They have their talk. Cooper comes
to dinner the next week. Fuck you want to smoke?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 10 (20:24):
You gotta quit this shit, writer, I stopped. I made
it almost five years of spring. You wait till you
have a teenager? What do you have a girl son?
Oh my god, thank god?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You better.
Speaker 10 (20:39):
Thank god. Every day you take him to the woods,
you give them treat time.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Didn't Actually I try.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Anna turning away from the tender hearts wasn't just a
lifestyle choice or a philosophical betrayal. It brought real consequences.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
She goes off for the all American life and wanted
to get her It got her shitty friends, the mall girls.
I called them, a boyfriend who thinks he owns her,
and some other fucking guy she won't say who it is,
and her notes was constantly bugging her.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, so this is the stalker.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
At first, Anna complained about a guy who wouldn't leave
her alone, but then things changed all of a sudden.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
She's missing school, late nights, taking the car out.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
He wore down.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
That's not of a bitch, wore down.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And she never said who it was.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
No, because by then you know she lost her tender heart.
She barely talked to me anymore.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, hold up, is this where you tell me Anna's
stalker was Charlie.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
No, no, because Charlie and Laney didn't meet until nineteen
ninety seven, and he was stationed overseas in ninety five.
But you're on the right track. Laney was convinced that
she had evidence that could solve Anna's case, but Maldonado
and his team wouldn't listen to her.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
The pull it fucking bullets out of trees, Jason Parking tickets,
going after oh Rick.
Speaker 10 (22:01):
They destroyed that man, They destroyed him. You lose your daughter,
you know.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
But if you care about that, you want to actually
do the work, well, then I'm a crazy lady, right,
I'm hysterical. Miss miss calmed down.
Speaker 10 (22:16):
You know what that means.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
You know, know your place, Keep your mouth shut, Let
the men work, Let the men do their thing.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Cooper comes to dinner next week.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Goddamn, look at you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's right.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
You listen. You're open rider. Okay, let's hit aside.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Walking in, though I wished we'd stayed outside, I couldn't
see the floor close. Everywhere she had rows of paper bags,
brown paper bags that looked like they were filled with rocks,
and there was insulation rolls and strips of pink wall
insulation piled around. You need to go through stuff, blankets, baskets,
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and figurines. She had a huge collection of Kachina dolls,
traditional hopie figurines. I didn't know where to walk, where
I could walk, so I focused on those.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh these are great.
Speaker 10 (23:16):
Oh yeah, oh my little warriors. Yeah, let's let's go
to the kitchen. About these three boxes here, Wow, it's
my Anna collection.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
One box was full of early childhood stuff, her first.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
Little hair cutting.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
Yeah, look at this dress she made, not good, purple
and white, my stardust child will it was my moonbeam.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
But Anna was all stardust.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It was a lot of homemade trinkets. There was a
dream catcher. Then there was a box of stuff from
when she was older.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
Yeah, this is the makeup box she made me by her.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
It was a collection of books Ed Ground, Poe, The
Dow of Pooh, The Secret Language of Birdays It. Yes,
And there was a copy of Stephen King's It. It
was the same edition I remembered reading, and I.
Speaker 10 (24:06):
Liked all that gothic stuff. But here, this is this
is the real stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Here she pulled out big folded papers and leather notebooks.
Speaker 10 (24:16):
So, okay, the first thing. The most important thing is
the fire. Right Willow's rage.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Laney unfolded a map of Sonoma County.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
So when Anna didn't come home the next morning, I
knew that we were dealing with vindictive forces.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
She also had a page of tracing paper with lines
and symbols, and I started to get worried.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Yeah, these are here, take up the hand this candle.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I realized too late. I had backed myself into a corner.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
This is the constellation Pleiades. You know you're stars, No Pleiades,
the Seven Sisters.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Right, yes, so that's key.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, Now look at this. Do you see this?
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Look at this?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Oh you know, they line.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
Up, they light up exactly. Look burn here, no, burn here,
burn here.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Willow started that fire, but there were there were spirit
guiding it, spirit stopping it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I knew that if I said the wrong thing, I'd
be one more person telling Laney she was crazy and hysterical.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
Okay, okay, but the real breakthrough of you okay later.
Now this is this is my journal.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Here.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
I tracked every session I had with mary Anne.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh, who's Who's mary Anne.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Marianne was the medium I met in two thousand and two.
By the way, I met her on October twenty third,
at two thousand and two, yeah, Anna's birthday.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
I found her in Monterey. She was working with the
Piscali group. She was trained by Piscali himself.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, lady, I don't I'm sorry. I don't want to.
I don't mean to cut you off.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You need to be open, right, Oh, I need you
to look at this.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You have to be open. But I'm trying to be
I just want I think I should just be very clear.
I'm an atheist and i'm, you know, diehard skeptic.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
You know you don't believe me.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I believe that you. I don't doubt that you had
an experience.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
I had a series of experiences, right, But I you know.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I'm looking. I'm trying to find some evidence that this is.
I don't know what I can really do with this.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's not like I tried to get her attention back
to the first couple of boxes.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm thinking more like, do you have any journals or letters?
If she box right here? Okay, yeah, so the books.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And what is this?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Is this what I was flipping through the copy of it?
Is this Anna's handwriting?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Who?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, who gave her this?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Book.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't know, because I have a book from Willow
and I swear it's it's the exact same camera handwriting.
There was a note in the margin of one page
lost cause mister wrong. I remember the book in evidence
at the Sheriff's department too, The Way of the Peaceful Warrior?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Did it have notes in it? Book from It's I
have it back in my hotel or if I could,
can I keep this?
Speaker 10 (27:14):
That was anas?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okause Willow? Do you know who was giving her books?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Like?
Speaker 10 (27:23):
Who giv writer friends? Teachers?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Laney said it so casually, but I suddenly had a
very strong sinking feeling a teacher. Yeah, because Willow gave
me a book, and uh, it was from the guy
that she was seeing in uh in ninety eight, the
guy that she called mister wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Mister wrong. Yeah, he was. I don't know, I don't
know who he was, but he was. He was the father.
Who's father, you know, baby Willow's baby Lane what.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Laney never knew Willow was pregnant, never knew she had
an abortion. She was understandably upset. She asked me to leave.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Oh my god, it was awful. I called my wife
after I drove away.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
Well, I mean it sounds like she's still grieving.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yes, I know, but I mean, how was I supposed
to know that she didn't know this?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
There was no way I could know that.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
I don't think I knew the whole story I told
you about Willow. Maybe, but isn't this podcast about her sister?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Right. I didn't think you're gonna be spending all your
time talking about an next girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
She's she's a friend. It was just like this one
you know, this one moment when we're teenagers.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
Right, who you were in love with and who you
what drove to get an abortion.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's not what this is about.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
It's kind of becoming about that.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, all right, look, I gotta I gotta get to
the hotel. I'm still kind of.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Reeling right now.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So can I just call you later?
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I went to the hotel.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I wasn't sure if I should stay in Denver and
try and call Laney the next day or what.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I felt horrible here.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Lanny thought I was coming to help her, that I
was somebody was finally going to take her seriously and
maybe help give her answers.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Instead, I brought more doubt, more.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Questions, maybe even made her feel betrayed by her other daughter.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Hold on, you think, mister wrong. The guy who got
Willow pregnant and Anna's killer are the same person.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I called Chris and Monica to go over things exactly
because of a note in a book. No, it's more
than that, it's more.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
It all fits.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Just stay with me here, Okay, Anna has a stalker.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
She complains to her mom, but.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Then at some point Anna stops complaining about him and
she actually starts dating him, and.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
She makes the tape for him. But she doesn't say
his name on the tape.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Because it's a secret relationship. She can't tell anyone, her mom,
her sister, Mick, anyone.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
She doesn't want anybody to know who this guy is.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
There's something wrong or inappropriate, maybe illegal about their affair,
and they have a plan, Operation van go And from
the tape we know he's scared of what society thinks
of him. He's told her age doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
There's also this moment.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Van Goes suffered from severe emotional and psychological problems and
died in France at the age of thirty seven. Thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That makes me think that he was thirty seven or
I don't like about to turn thirty seven, and maybe
he's married, maybe he would lose his job, maybe he's
a teacher. Halloween night, Anna and Mick have their fight.
The mean girls are mean, and Anna makes a decision
it's time for Operation man Go.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
But she still pages Mick.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Maybe she's torn, should should get back together with Mick
or run away.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
With this other guy.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Maybe she's hedging her bets because the guy might not
go through with Operation van Go. Either way, Yes, she
pages Mick, but then she changes her mind and she.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Meets up with this other guy.
Speaker 12 (31:18):
He picks her up before Mike gets to the payphone,
or they meet somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Entirely, and maybe they start Operation van Go. Maybe he
helps her get to the airport to fly away somewhere.
Or they fight and she threatens to tell everyone about
their affair.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Which would ruin his life.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Maybe he kills her to cover up the affair.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
He hides her body, he drives Tony down to the
celty lot. Makes it plausible that Anna just ran away.
Now all that is pretty much what I was thinking
anyway when I was focused on Mick.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
But here's what's new.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Three years later, nineteen ninety eight, the guy got away
with it. Anna's gone, The case is cold. Life has
moved on for everyone.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
But he's still in he is.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, he's still potentially in the lady's life. He could
be a friend of the family.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
He's still teaching.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And lo and behold, here comes Willow, a new young
Trander girl. This is a grass, I know, but it's
a pattern, right. This guy's got a thing for grooming
young girls. What are the chances that he would do
it more than once?
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I guess now. It's nineteen ninety eight and Willow, like
her sister, is in a secret relationship. And Willow can't
tell anyone, not her mom, not us.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Why not the same reasons Anna didn't tell anyone. He's older, he's.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Inappropriate, he's maybe still a teacher, still married.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Jesus. Do you remember Jacob Wyman? No, the English teacher.
I never had him, but there were kids who loved
this guy.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
He was one of those dudes that was like one
of the kids to call him by his first name,
not mister Wyman, but Jacob.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Was he the one that took kids camping?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Yes, exactly, exactly the senior trip. Jacob's senior trip.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Okay, he was a teacher at Annelie. Did he ever
come up? No? But hold on, I'm going to search
the archives.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Monica still had access to the back articles of the
Press Democrat.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Oh there's a lot. I mean these are boring mentions, assemblies,
football games, direct school play one year. Oh, okay, there's
an article about Harry Potter. He's quoted.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Remember there was a backlash to Harry Potter that the
books were promoting witchcraft.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
We don't give kids enough credits.
Speaker 12 (33:29):
As Jacob Wyman, an English teacher at Annelie High School,
I'd rather kids explore things dark or.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Risky things in fiction. I encourage them to read whatever
they enjoy, horror, crime, any genre.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, Anna had a copy of Stephen King's Hit.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
His stance, though, isn't without controversy.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Wyman landed in hot water last semester when several parents
noticed he had included the novel Damage by Josephine Hart
on his fall reading list.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
I could see their concerns and said he ended up
dropping Damage from his syllabus.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I don't know what is this book?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Damage?
Speaker 12 (34:07):
Yes, Damage by Josephine Hart is a psychological thriller centered
on a respectable British politician, doctor Stephen Fleming, whose life
spirals when he becomes obsessively and destructively involved with his
son's fiance Anna.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Are you kidding me? The character's name is Anna Forbidden Desire,
secret affair, an older man.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And a younger woman.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
I haven't read it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I haven't read this, but it sounded familiar.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I thought maybe because it was a bestseller, because there
was a movie made, But actually it was familiar for
another reason.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What's this other note?
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Here?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Weeks ago, I had been requesting items one by one
from the evidence catalog at the Sheriff's Department damage heart
spelled ha rt.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
There might be a note that the book is damaged
or could be a type damaged art.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I needed to see that book.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That night in Denver, I could barely sleep. This felt
like enough to bring to Greer and Lachlan. They could
open up the evidence locker and see for themselves. I
compiled my clips so I could call the Sheriff's department
in the morning, But when I woke up, I got
a call.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
From my brother, Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So the Sheriff's department is here.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
He was calling from my parents' house.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
What.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, they have a warrant and they're searching the house.
They're going through all the closets and outside.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It's the whole.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
What are they what are they looking for?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
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A few days before she died, I got a letter
(00:24):
from Willow. Willow was my neighbor and one of my
best friends as a kid. The central trauma of Willow's
life had to do with her sister Anna. On Halloween
night nineteen ninety five, Anna disappeared. Well, it was a
little superficial, but I would love to.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Say some of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I was reading the evidence catalog for Anna Trainer's case,
like this book maybe, and then could I see the bullets?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I always said that she made that take for somebody else,
an older guy.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You said this thing last week.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
He said, Oh, I'm glad you're sixteen at least, because
I know it's because you just want me to drive.
But then it all so it can't be true.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That age is a matter. I think in order to
get more information about that, I need to talk to Laney,
because I know there's.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Gonna be your worst conversion.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I know I'm not looking forward to her writer.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
It's Lanie Traynor. I don't know. It's been years, decades.
I'm in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, call me back then, and I.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Knew I had to go to Colorado.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I was over a month into investigating the disappearance of
Annah Trainer when I finally heard from her mom, Lane, I.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Have lots to show you, things you need to see.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We traded phone calls. She agreed that if I came
out to Denver, she would tell me everything. We set
a date, I got a flight. I was excited, but then.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I cannot believe she's going to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
My buddy Chris reminded me, you basically ran away with
her daughter that one summer. What are you talking about her?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Didn't you and Willow take that road trip up through Humboldt.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I started this podcast because Anna's sister, Willow sent me
a letter before she killed herself. Yeah, but it was
like we were running away. Connor, our other friend, agreed
with Chris.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Oh, she'd already run away. She was living in the
Hest building.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
The hest building was an abandoned building behind the coffee
shop in our hometown.
Speaker 7 (02:10):
I mean, I just remember you had to go through
like this little fence to get in, and then you know,
it was all run down.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The whole wall was open and you could.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
Kind of climb around a lot of different places, but
that was the spot you'd go and smoke weed. And
I mean it wasn't really a party place and never
really like partied there, but that's where people would go about.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
I know she lived there for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
In the years after her sister disappeared, Willow's life began
to unravel a bit. Drugs, alcohol, She discovered raves in
San Francisco, she dropped out of school. It was definitely
a rough time, a dramatic time for her and me.
You might remember the first episode of this podcast I
mentioned there was a moment when Willow and I dated.
I wasn't sure if I had ever talk about that.
(02:56):
This was a podcast about Anna, after all, trying to
uncover what happened to her, or at least get a
better understanding of her story. After I talked with Connor
and Chris, Though, I went back and found my last
contact with Laney.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It was an email she sent.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Me in nineteen ninety eight. It was just a subject
line in all caps. It said, writer, stay the hell
away from my daughter.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I am actor and filmmaker, writer strong. This is the
red weather.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
In some ways, I was further along in Nana's case
than I'd ever dreamed. I had found new evidence, a
new angle, and a new hypothetical person who might have
helped her run away, maybe even killed her. The catch,
I had no clue who that person could be. Laney
seemed to know what I was talking about, though. She
knew all about the stalker, she said when we connected
(04:42):
over the phone. She said she had plenty of evidence,
but Sheriff Maldonado and his team ignored her. I couldn't
confirm this, though, because the Sheriff's department was no longer
talking to me.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
So she has stough to show you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I was leaving home again at the worst time personally.
My son had a play performance on a piece a
recycal but my wife was understanding.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
I mean, it's not great timing, but yeah, it seems important.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Do you know where my copy of The Subterraneans is?
Speaker 8 (05:13):
You're going for a few days. How many books do
you need?
Speaker 9 (05:15):
No?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
No, no, it's not for that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm looking for this very specific copy.
Speaker 10 (05:19):
Yes, get a kindle.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, but I wasn't just looking for a casual reread.
I was preparing to see Laney Jack Harrowax novel The
Subterraneans was one of my favorites when I was younger,
and I wanted to find a specific copy after seeing
the stay away from my daughter email at check the timing,
and Connor and.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Chris were right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It was right after a very specific experience a road
trip I took with Willow in nineteen ninety eight. Willow
gave me The Subterraneans on this trip, and I found
it wedged in my bookcase.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Welcome to Hollywood Burk Airport, a reminder.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
For passengers on my way to Colorado. I flipped it
was a copy that got passed around, full of little
notes and underline passages. There were a few books like
this in our friend group that we all read and
handed off to one another fear and loathing in Las Vegas,
east of Eden.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I remember one of the first books that you lent
me was was Wordsworth.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It's a book of poetry by Wordsworth.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Then we started getting really into the Americana stuff, right,
so we moved into the beat generation, so it was
like Kerouac and Burrows Ginsburg.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I think you gave me my first copy of On
the Road.
Speaker 11 (06:35):
I kept the copy with like your notes in it
and my notes in it, and we put our names
on the front. Like everybody that we passed this book
along to we'd share. And I remember doing that with
a few books.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, I remember that Subterraneans is kind of crazy, overwrought, dense.
It's about a week long love affair that ends badly.
I looked at all the underlined parts, the notes scribbled
in the margins. I found my own bad hand. But
there were other notes too. Some of them were from Willow,
I know, because she had a habit of putting stars
next to passages she liked, but she was also responding
(07:09):
to notes from someone else, like the one that said
love makes men crazy, and Willow had written women too
next to a section where Caroax narrator jumps on a
street sweeper cart. The other person wrote lost cause these
were from the guy who'd given her the book, mister wrong.
(07:32):
Mister wrong was exactly why our road trip was such
a disaster. I landed in Denver and got a rental car.
Laney lives in a suburb called Commerce City. I checked
into a hotel and pulled up to her house around
five pm. I could see a lady on the porch.
I decided to record from the get go.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Hey, lady, Hi looks like a middle aged.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
That's what I am.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Hi, Well, what are you a spy?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I know?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Is it all right if I recording?
Speaker 9 (08:20):
Of course, I told you just don't upload my brain
to the mothership.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So I really thank you for talking to me.
Speaker 10 (08:27):
Yeah, you know what, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Lane had always been small, and she seemed even smaller now,
but not fragile. She still looks like she could live
in the woods.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
If you told me that we would get somewhere anywhere
with Anna's case, let alone that it would be right
or fucking strong, I would have told you were crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah. Well you know it was a Willow's letter. Yeah,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 10 (08:54):
I know, I know, honey, hair, let's let's have a sleep.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
She had on her porch. She had bourbon, a.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
Little of this.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Oh yeah, why not?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I got the feeling Laney might have already had a few.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
I need to tell you something, right. I was angry
with you for so long, you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Know that, and here it comes.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's kind of a long story, but I had seen
Willow a few weeks earlier. We ran into each other
at a party in Santa Cruz.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
My road tripe with Willow was doomed from the starts.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And I wasn't there for So why was I not there?
You were already back east, But actually I guess you
would have been home for the summer. Chris had already
transferred to a boarding school in Boston. One thing leads
to another, and we find ourselves in this room at
this party making out.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
But that was not the first time my friend.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
Was it.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, she was my first kids, But context is everything.
That first time we were nine, and it was a
game of truth or dare.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Then she stops kissing me and tells me she can't.
I can't do this. She's seen someone brutal.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, so I'm like, I'm all hurt and embarrassed, and
because here we've finally taken this leap from friends to
oh yeah, maybe we're going to date and then just boom,
like immediately shut down. Of course there's someone else. This
was the first time I heard about mister Wrong. But
a few weeks later, Willow called me from the Oakland airport.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
She wanted me to pick her up.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
She was supposed to be getting on a flight to
some kind of summer camp or retreat.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I wasn't totally clear, but she didn't want to go.
She wanted us to hit the road. She wanted to
see if we can be together.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I was free, and I did want to see if
we could be together. There was a big part of
me that had been in love with Willow from the
moment I met her.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So I drove to Oakland.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
There were years, years right where I could not say
your name.
Speaker 10 (10:58):
I wouldn't you know when you picked up Willow that summer. Yeah,
and you guys just took off your van.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean I thought, I you know, I thought
it was fine.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Really, because she she called me, asked me to come
pick her up because she didn't want to go to
the camp a camp, you know that thing in Montana
wherever she was.
Speaker 10 (11:17):
Going camp you mean, like a like a summer camp. Yeah,
it was rehab.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Writer, I should have known.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
Oh god, yeah, we we found her.
Speaker 10 (11:30):
Willa had shed bottles. She had all these pills, just
a whole bunch of pills. I mean Charlie. You remember Charlie, Yeah,
kind of kind.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I actually didn't think I ever met Charlie, but I
knew that was Laney's boyfriend for a couple of years,
a pseudo stepdad to Willow.
Speaker 10 (11:45):
She wasn't going to school, wasn't coming home.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
So Charlie had found the place, a place for her
to you know, get treatment.
Speaker 10 (11:51):
We'd already paid for it.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It was like I had no idea.
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Really, you had no idea.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I should have known within minutes of making Willow up
that she was lying that she didn't want some soul
searching road trip. This was not a romantic getaway. She
was all distracted and emotional and manic totally.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
She just wanted to listen to music and find places
to camp where no one was around, smoked cigarettes, and
she just like burst into tears.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Suddenly.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
We spent a week driving north up into Humboldt, and
despite what she'd insinuated over the phone, everything was strictly platonic.
I could tell she was going through something, but I
didn't want to pry. But I also was confused and
had a lot of my own feelings. It wasn't until
about five days into the trip that she finally told
me what was going on.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
She was pregnant.
Speaker 10 (12:45):
For three weeks, I didn't know where my daughter was.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Didn't tell me.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
I hope you know now that you're a father, you
understand I can't, but just let me just get this
out right, or please. For three weeks I didn't know
where she was Moonbean.
Speaker 10 (13:01):
I thought I had lost her. It was Anna all
over again.
Speaker 9 (13:04):
And she finally called when you left her in San
Francisco and she never went over that writer by the way,
I'm I'm.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
Not gonna lie.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
That's a wound that did not heal. I had to
drive down to the city and she was a mess.
She was crushed.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
This was tricky because in my mind I hadn't left
Willow in San Francisco. In fact, I wanted to stay
at first, but Willow had decided to have an abortion,
and she told me that the father, mister Wrong, was
coming to help her. But I didn't want to sit
here and get into that with Laney for two reasons. One,
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I thought there was a good chance Willow had lied
to her mom that she told Laney I was the father,
And two I thought that was a lie not worth correcting.
Because I had a bad feeling about mister Wrong. Did
you ever tell you who it was?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No, no clue, Right, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
She just told me that she shouldn't be with this guy,
And honestly I had to start like maybe it was
her mom's boy.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Holy shit, Charlie, Seriously, Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I know. It's incredibly fucked up. Yeah, why else wouldn't
she tell me who it was? Would tell you, would
tell any of us.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Okay, I get that you didn't want to upset Laney.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
But why does any of this matter? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
What does this have to do with Annett?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, because of what lady showed me in the house.
Did you know that I wrote a short story about
that road trip with Willow?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Was it called friend Zone? Don read sixty six?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It was the first story I published. I fictionalized a lot,
the characters were older, and I gave the girl a
different name, Opal, but the plot was the same. A
man and a woman go on a road trip to
run away and give being together a shot. Then she
reveals she's pregnant with her ex boyfriend's child. I went
back over the story for any clues to who mister
(14:58):
Wrong was. So in the story, I'm trying to get
her to tell me who the father is. And this
is what I wrote. She wasn't going to say. I
wanted to scream, I wanted to leave. I wanted to
kiss her.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oof right, strong, more like writer weak.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I hated him whoever he was. With nothing to go on,
he grew monstrous and perfect in my mind.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Oh no, that is a good line. Friend.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He was rich, he was cool, he was taller than me, older,
listened to better music. None of that might be true,
but I knew one thing. He made her happy at
one time. He made opal happy, older, richer, taller, Right,
But see that's me being insecure and paranoid, right, So
(15:44):
like that's just speculation. In real life, I dropped Willow
off at a hotel near a planned parenthood and drove.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Off confused and sad.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
In the story, the narrator turns back around, he picks
her up, and they decide to stay together.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I left it ambiguous if they kept the child or not.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Anyway, So here I was on the porch with Lane,
who's like still in mourning.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
This woman has lost two daughters, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And all I can do is sort of lamely defend
the fact that I didn't abandon her pregnant daughter to
get an abortion by herself.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I really didn't want to leave her.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That was not my intention. I mean, we thought about it.
I wanted to stay.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I could tell Lane didn't believe me, and I couldn't
blame her, because no matter how I described it, no
matter how I spun it, I did leave Willow, and
I honestly can't remember how it went down exactly. I
remember crying, I remember her crying, and I know she
(16:51):
told me to go. But why did I listen? Was
it because I was respecting her wishes? Or was I
hurt and pissed off? Was I jealous of mister Wrong?
Was I mad that she wouldn't tell me who he was?
Was I mad that she didn't want to make out
with me? Yes, I think yes to all of those things.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Is it better if I leave?
Speaker 10 (17:16):
I know, I need to show you what I have.
It's too important.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
But we stayed on the porch. Laney smoked, she poured
more whiskey. Eventually she began to talk about the tender hearts.
Speaker 10 (17:32):
Oh yeah, man, we were going to change the world.
It was radical. It was a radical change. And with
the kids. We thought it was perfect. Let the woods
be schooled, a nature, you know, be their teacher.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But the reality was the kids, the Gramets got older.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
God damn Liam was out of hand, what a snot?
And him and his mom left when he was.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
Like nine or ten. And then Jones's son started going
to Twin Hills.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Before they knew it, Laney and and the other moms
were driving to three different schools.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Suddenly our like free flowing, groovy thing became about who
was picking up whose kid, who had the keys to
who's car?
Speaker 10 (18:12):
And god, my girls hated it, and I hated it.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
She wanted diet coke and Cheetos, she wanted pom poms
and you know the fucking Sandie Hawking's dance. Oh God,
there's a girl in town, Bailey Bam bam whatever. And
she would be dropped off by her mom and she
would pull up in the front of the school and
she had this like white jeep, you know, and the
blonde hair and on the clothes. And Anna turns to
(18:39):
me one day and she says, why can't we be
like that? And I was like, honey, stardust, love of
my life.
Speaker 10 (18:49):
That is death, that is hell.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
You want to live like that. You gotta take the
whole thing. You're gonna You're gonna have a job you hate.
Speaker 10 (18:55):
You're gonna have some man telling you what to do,
breathing down your neck.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Lady saw tender hearts as a rect.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
I was protecting them, my girls. They had no idea
how much I was protecting them. I was coming from well,
I'm gonna tell you, I don't care.
Speaker 10 (19:16):
I was raped when I was fourteen.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Oh god, yeah, by my dad's best friend, Davis Cooper.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Davis, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
That's so awful.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
And for my parents, for Cooper, there was something normal
about it, you know, it was like expected first week
of summer.
Speaker 10 (19:35):
Landy's fourteen. Laney has a new bathing suit. So sure
Cooper couldn't help himself. I'm fucking believable.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Cool.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
You know what my dad did, He went and he
had a talk with him. My mom's a mess, My
brother Jacob doesn't know what the hell is going on.
My dad goes to Cooper.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
The men had their talk and everything's fine, just right
back to the rug. They have their talk. Cooper comes
to dinner the next week. Fuck you want to smoke?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 10 (20:24):
You gotta quit this shit, writer, I stopped. I made
it almost five years of spring. You wait till you
have a teenager? What do you have a girl son?
Oh my god, thank god?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You better.
Speaker 10 (20:39):
Thank god. Every day you take him to the woods,
you give them treat time.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Didn't Actually I try.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Anna turning away from the tender hearts wasn't just a
lifestyle choice or a philosophical betrayal. It brought real consequences.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
She goes off for the all American life and wanted
to get her It got her shitty friends, the mall girls.
I called them, a boyfriend who thinks he owns her,
and some other fucking guy she won't say who it is,
and her notes was constantly bugging her.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, so this is the stalker.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
At first, Anna complained about a guy who wouldn't leave
her alone, but then things changed all of a sudden.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
She's missing school, late nights, taking the car out.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
He wore down.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
That's not of a bitch, wore down.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And she never said who it was.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
No, because by then you know she lost her tender heart.
She barely talked to me anymore.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, hold up, is this where you tell me Anna's
stalker was Charlie.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
No, no, because Charlie and Laney didn't meet until nineteen
ninety seven, and he was stationed overseas in ninety five.
But you're on the right track. Laney was convinced that
she had evidence that could solve Anna's case, but Maldonado
and his team wouldn't listen to her.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
The pull it fucking bullets out of trees, Jason Parking tickets,
going after oh Rick.
Speaker 10 (22:01):
They destroyed that man, They destroyed him. You lose your daughter,
you know.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
But if you care about that, you want to actually
do the work, well, then I'm a crazy lady, right,
I'm hysterical. Miss miss calmed down.
Speaker 10 (22:16):
You know what that means.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
You know, know your place, Keep your mouth shut, Let
the men work, Let the men do their thing.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Cooper comes to dinner next week.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Goddamn, look at you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's right.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
You listen. You're open rider. Okay, let's hit aside.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Walking in, though I wished we'd stayed outside, I couldn't
see the floor close. Everywhere she had rows of paper bags,
brown paper bags that looked like they were filled with rocks,
and there was insulation rolls and strips of pink wall
insulation piled around. You need to go through stuff, blankets, baskets,
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and figurines. She had a huge collection of Kachina dolls,
traditional hopie figurines. I didn't know where to walk, where
I could walk, so I focused on those.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh these are great.
Speaker 10 (23:16):
Oh yeah, oh my little warriors. Yeah, let's let's go
to the kitchen. About these three boxes here, Wow, it's
my Anna collection.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
One box was full of early childhood stuff, her first.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
Little hair cutting.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
Yeah, look at this dress she made, not good, purple
and white, my stardust child will it was my moonbeam.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
But Anna was all stardust.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It was a lot of homemade trinkets. There was a
dream catcher. Then there was a box of stuff from
when she was older.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
Yeah, this is the makeup box she made me by her.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
It was a collection of books Ed Ground, Poe, The
Dow of Pooh, The Secret Language of Birdays It. Yes,
And there was a copy of Stephen King's It. It
was the same edition I remembered reading, and I.
Speaker 10 (24:06):
Liked all that gothic stuff. But here, this is this
is the real stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Here she pulled out big folded papers and leather notebooks.
Speaker 10 (24:16):
So, okay, the first thing. The most important thing is
the fire. Right Willow's rage.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Laney unfolded a map of Sonoma County.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
So when Anna didn't come home the next morning, I
knew that we were dealing with vindictive forces.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
She also had a page of tracing paper with lines
and symbols, and I started to get worried.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Yeah, these are here, take up the hand this candle.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I realized too late. I had backed myself into a corner.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
This is the constellation Pleiades. You know you're stars, No Pleiades,
the Seven Sisters.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Right, yes, so that's key.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, Now look at this. Do you see this?
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Look at this?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Oh you know, they line.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
Up, they light up exactly. Look burn here, no, burn here,
burn here.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Willow started that fire, but there were there were spirit
guiding it, spirit stopping it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I knew that if I said the wrong thing, I'd
be one more person telling Laney she was crazy and hysterical.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
Okay, okay, but the real breakthrough of you okay later.
Now this is this is my journal.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Here.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
I tracked every session I had with mary Anne.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh, who's Who's mary Anne.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Marianne was the medium I met in two thousand and two.
By the way, I met her on October twenty third,
at two thousand and two, yeah, Anna's birthday.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
I found her in Monterey. She was working with the
Piscali group. She was trained by Piscali himself.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, lady, I don't I'm sorry. I don't want to.
I don't mean to cut you off.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You need to be open, right, Oh, I need you
to look at this.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You have to be open. But I'm trying to be
I just want I think I should just be very clear.
I'm an atheist and i'm, you know, diehard skeptic.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
You know you don't believe me.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I believe that you. I don't doubt that you had
an experience.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
I had a series of experiences, right, But I you know.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I'm looking. I'm trying to find some evidence that this is.
I don't know what I can really do with this.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's not like I tried to get her attention back
to the first couple of boxes.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm thinking more like, do you have any journals or letters?
If she box right here? Okay, yeah, so the books.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And what is this?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Is this what I was flipping through the copy of it?
Is this Anna's handwriting?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Who?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, who gave her this?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Book.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't know, because I have a book from Willow
and I swear it's it's the exact same camera handwriting.
There was a note in the margin of one page
lost cause mister wrong. I remember the book in evidence
at the Sheriff's department too, The Way of the Peaceful Warrior?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Did it have notes in it? Book from It's I
have it back in my hotel or if I could,
can I keep this?
Speaker 10 (27:14):
That was anas?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okause Willow? Do you know who was giving her books?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Like?
Speaker 10 (27:23):
Who giv writer friends? Teachers?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Laney said it so casually, but I suddenly had a
very strong sinking feeling a teacher. Yeah, because Willow gave
me a book, and uh, it was from the guy
that she was seeing in uh in ninety eight, the
guy that she called mister wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Mister wrong. Yeah, he was. I don't know, I don't
know who he was, but he was. He was the father.
Who's father, you know, baby Willow's baby Lane what.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Laney never knew Willow was pregnant, never knew she had
an abortion. She was understandably upset. She asked me to leave.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Oh my god, it was awful. I called my wife
after I drove away.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
Well, I mean it sounds like she's still grieving.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yes, I know, but I mean, how was I supposed
to know that she didn't know this?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
There was no way I could know that.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
I don't think I knew the whole story I told
you about Willow. Maybe, but isn't this podcast about her sister?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Right. I didn't think you're gonna be spending all your
time talking about an next girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
She's she's a friend. It was just like this one
you know, this one moment when we're teenagers.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
Right, who you were in love with and who you
what drove to get an abortion.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's not what this is about.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
It's kind of becoming about that.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, all right, look, I gotta I gotta get to
the hotel. I'm still kind of.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Reeling right now.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So can I just call you later?
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I went to the hotel.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I wasn't sure if I should stay in Denver and
try and call Laney the next day or what.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I felt horrible here.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Lanny thought I was coming to help her, that I
was somebody was finally going to take her seriously and
maybe help give her answers.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Instead, I brought more doubt, more.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Questions, maybe even made her feel betrayed by her other daughter.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Hold on, you think, mister wrong. The guy who got
Willow pregnant and Anna's killer are the same person.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I called Chris and Monica to go over things exactly
because of a note in a book. No, it's more
than that, it's more.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
It all fits.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Just stay with me here, Okay, Anna has a stalker.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
She complains to her mom, but.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Then at some point Anna stops complaining about him and
she actually starts dating him, and.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
She makes the tape for him. But she doesn't say
his name on the tape.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Because it's a secret relationship. She can't tell anyone, her mom,
her sister, Mick, anyone.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
She doesn't want anybody to know who this guy is.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
There's something wrong or inappropriate, maybe illegal about their affair,
and they have a plan, Operation van go And from
the tape we know he's scared of what society thinks
of him. He's told her age doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
There's also this moment.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Van Goes suffered from severe emotional and psychological problems and
died in France at the age of thirty seven. Thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That makes me think that he was thirty seven or
I don't like about to turn thirty seven, and maybe
he's married, maybe he would lose his job, maybe he's
a teacher. Halloween night, Anna and Mick have their fight.
The mean girls are mean, and Anna makes a decision
it's time for Operation man Go.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
But she still pages Mick.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Maybe she's torn, should should get back together with Mick
or run away.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
With this other guy.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Maybe she's hedging her bets because the guy might not
go through with Operation van Go. Either way, Yes, she
pages Mick, but then she changes her mind and she.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Meets up with this other guy.
Speaker 12 (31:18):
He picks her up before Mike gets to the payphone,
or they meet somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Entirely, and maybe they start Operation van Go. Maybe he
helps her get to the airport to fly away somewhere.
Or they fight and she threatens to tell everyone about
their affair.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Which would ruin his life.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Maybe he kills her to cover up the affair.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
He hides her body, he drives Tony down to the
celty lot. Makes it plausible that Anna just ran away.
Now all that is pretty much what I was thinking
anyway when I was focused on Mick.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
But here's what's new.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Three years later, nineteen ninety eight, the guy got away
with it. Anna's gone, The case is cold. Life has
moved on for everyone.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
But he's still in he is.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, he's still potentially in the lady's life. He could
be a friend of the family.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
He's still teaching.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And lo and behold, here comes Willow, a new young
Trander girl. This is a grass, I know, but it's
a pattern, right. This guy's got a thing for grooming
young girls. What are the chances that he would do
it more than once?
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I guess now. It's nineteen ninety eight and Willow, like
her sister, is in a secret relationship. And Willow can't
tell anyone, not her mom, not us.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Why not the same reasons Anna didn't tell anyone. He's older, he's.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Inappropriate, he's maybe still a teacher, still married.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Jesus. Do you remember Jacob Wyman? No, the English teacher.
I never had him, but there were kids who loved
this guy.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
He was one of those dudes that was like one
of the kids to call him by his first name,
not mister Wyman, but Jacob.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Was he the one that took kids camping?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Yes, exactly, exactly the senior trip. Jacob's senior trip.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Okay, he was a teacher at Annelie. Did he ever
come up? No? But hold on, I'm going to search
the archives.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Monica still had access to the back articles of the
Press Democrat.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Oh there's a lot. I mean these are boring mentions, assemblies,
football games, direct school play one year. Oh, okay, there's
an article about Harry Potter. He's quoted.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Remember there was a backlash to Harry Potter that the
books were promoting witchcraft.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
We don't give kids enough credits.
Speaker 12 (33:29):
As Jacob Wyman, an English teacher at Annelie High School,
I'd rather kids explore things dark or.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Risky things in fiction. I encourage them to read whatever
they enjoy, horror, crime, any genre.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, Anna had a copy of Stephen King's Hit.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
His stance, though, isn't without controversy.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Wyman landed in hot water last semester when several parents
noticed he had included the novel Damage by Josephine Hart
on his fall reading list.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
I could see their concerns and said he ended up
dropping Damage from his syllabus.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I don't know what is this book?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Damage?
Speaker 12 (34:07):
Yes, Damage by Josephine Hart is a psychological thriller centered
on a respectable British politician, doctor Stephen Fleming, whose life
spirals when he becomes obsessively and destructively involved with his
son's fiance Anna.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Are you kidding me? The character's name is Anna Forbidden Desire,
secret affair, an older man.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And a younger woman.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
I haven't read it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I haven't read this, but it sounded familiar.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I thought maybe because it was a bestseller, because there
was a movie made, But actually it was familiar for
another reason.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What's this other note?
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Here?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Weeks ago, I had been requesting items one by one
from the evidence catalog at the Sheriff's Department damage heart
spelled ha rt.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
There might be a note that the book is damaged
or could be a type damaged art.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I needed to see that book.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That night in Denver, I could barely sleep. This felt
like enough to bring to Greer and Lachlan. They could
open up the evidence locker and see for themselves. I
compiled my clips so I could call the Sheriff's department
in the morning, But when I woke up, I got
a call.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
From my brother, Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So the Sheriff's department is here.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
He was calling from my parents' house.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
What.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, they have a warrant and they're searching the house.
They're going through all the closets and outside.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It's the whole.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
What are they what are they looking for?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Guns? The Red Weather is an iHeart podcast hosted by
(36:13):
River Straw. Sound engineering, editing and mixing by bou milkis
produced by Tess Bartholomey. Executive producers at iHeartRadio Trevor Young
and Matt Frederick. Associate producer bou milkis original score by
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Speaker 5 (36:32):
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