February 5, 2025 • 40 mins
The podcasts favorite guest and sometime co-host Sam Stosur joins Rennae to talk about everything from toilet break rule changes to post-match trauma and going to therapy!
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I have a funny story to tell you all.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
So I had to call Sam Stozer because I left
Melbourne very quickly. She left the courts really quickly, and
then all of a sudden, I was like, I'm not
going to see Sam. And then I thought I need
to do my podcast today. Who could I talk to
that I need to talk to that I haven't seen
since I left Melbourne. Who could help me get through
my podcast today? And it's Sam Stozer.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good day mate.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Hello, I knew there was another reason.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, tell the story before we start this. You can
throw me under the bus.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah. I just saw your message and I thought, oh,
what's funny, Stubbs.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
He wants to have a chat. I wonder what that's about.
That'd be a bit random. And then minutes later I
get a zoom link to do a podcast. So lucky
I was, you know, not doing much at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, Sam, you know you have been aepy to help. Yeah,
but listen, you are.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Also the person that's been on this podcast I think
more than anyone, because you have co hosted with me before.
And now that you're a media star doing television in Australia. Well,
I just thought who better to get on here but you.
So before we get going, Sam, how's the television.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Retirement life been for you?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
To for our lovely listeners that certainly know you and
miss you on the tour?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's actually been very good. I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'd already tried it a couple of times, dabbled in
and out for the odd match here and there. One
time in two thousand and eight when I couldn't play
the Aussie Open. I did it for a week and
then the odd match here and there the last few years,
and thought, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, I don't mind it.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But then when it becomes sort of more of a thing,
I was like, I wonder how it to go. And
now I've done two opens Tooussie Opens, and I have
to say I actually quite enjoy it. I'd certainly interesting seeing
things from the other side and how that works and
sort of what how it all intertwines together.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So I think, honestly, I think if when we were
players had a little.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Bit more of an insight into a toilet break situation
trying to you know, fill air or getting late to it,
you know, when you're called to your match and you
decide to take an extra five minutes because you're not ready.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Honestly, like, now, I.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
See how disruptive that can be to something like television,
which is obviously trying to get us out there and
get our matches on the screen so that more people
can watch. I can see some of the frustration now,
so a new appreciation and I've actually, yeah, I've really
enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
That is so fascinating that you decided to bring that up,
because that is so true. I think when you do,
whether it's you know, players that are now sort of
tournament directors or running tournaments or doing television, you sort
of get the whole bigger picture of things. Which is
why even when I make comments about certain things players do,
for example, on the court, or they take forever in
(03:14):
the toilet, or you know, they don't get on the
court quick enough, or they decide to like you know,
you know, sort of ask for things from a tornment director,
you're just like, you get it now, you sort of understand.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And it's interesting that it's interesting that you bring that up.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I think that's a conversation to be had with more
players from the WTA perspective, it's actually bringing great players
like yourself, Grand Slam champions like yourself in to say, look,
I know you guys don't get it, because like I didn't,
now I'm on the other side of it, and I
understand the importance of those one or two minutes of
a toilet break and having to fill time on air.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And how also you can.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Talk about and I know this myself from tournament directors,
especially Grand Slam tournament directors, they're like, the ratings go
down when certain things like that happen, people turn off
the television. And how important television literally pays for the players.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's what prize money comes from.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, it comes from sponsorship, but really television is the
biggest driver of people's prize money.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And so when you want more prize.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Money, you've got to have bigger television ratings, and you've
got to have people that want to sponsor those television
where the Channel nine in Australia or ESPN in the US,
like they.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
If it's something, isn't different.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Things exactly, It's all intertwined. So it's really interesting that
you said that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I didn't even think about asking you about that, but
good I hope people that do with our players, that
listen to us, we'll.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Hear that it's got to go both ways, obviously, because
I mean, there's no product without the players, and there's
no you know, plays without somewhere to go and play.
So it's got to go both ways. But it certainly
has given me another perspective. And you know, I took
like two toilet breaks in my whole life, so it's
not like I feel guilty.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
For doing certain things at all, but now I see
it from another way.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm going to throw this out there.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think it's an ausy thing because I played twenty
two years on tour.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You played what seventeen, eighteen.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Twenty two, yeah, twenty open.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So in twenty two years of playing professionally, give or.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Take the two of us, forty four years of playing professionally,
we took four toilet breaks, the two of us.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So there are things to be said. That's a whole
but we could get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But I think that's really important for people to understand.
You know, when they bitch and moan about you know,
we're not getting this and we're not getting that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, you have to.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's quid pro quo you've got to get what you give,
and you give what you get. So good point to
start with, Sam, look at that. See, this is why
we have you on. Actually a little bit of a
controversial thing that I got thrown at me on the
Old X in my last.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Podcast with Petcos.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
We were so enthusiastic to talk about the women's final
and I want your thoughts on Madison Keys as well,
but because you did virtually all of her matches as
well as Isustra and open the controversy with the woman
yelling out to Zverev about you know, Australia believes, you know,
the two women that have accused him.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And people were like, why didn't you talk about that?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And I was like, because I wanted to talk about
the positive things about the strain and open and particularly
about Madison Keys and what she did.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But I don't know how you thought about that.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
My thinking is I've spoken so much about the Zverev situation.
People should know how I feel about him and about
that situation. But also I just didn't think that was
I guess there's a time to yell it out. That
was perfect time because it was dead quiet, because people
wanted to hear what he had to say. But I
just I honestly didn't talk about it because I forgot
about it.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Well, I haven't thought about it for a moment since actually, so.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, look, perfect time for that person to do that.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't think it's an appropriate time overall, though, like,
come on, it's not what that moment's about. So I
didn't honestly, I couldn't even understand what she was yelling out.
It wasn't until afterwards I read it online. So yeah, look,
I don't I don't think it's a great I'm not
(07:07):
about that sort of behavior.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Put it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Mean, listen, I can understand if you really feel strongly
about the two women that have accused him of you know,
assault and all that sort of stuff, you can understand
that was the perfect time to do it. But also,
at the same time, it kind of felt bad for
Sinner in a lot of ways because he was like, well, jeez,
this is sor of taking it away from his moment
as well. But anyway, to the person who and the
people who came at me on X, we totally forgot
(07:31):
about it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
We didn't even think about talking about it because.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
We wanted to get to how good the women's final was,
and for someone like you who's won a Grand Slam,
and you know, I thought about you when Madison hit
that inside out fourhand to win the tournament, was such
a great shot.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It was such a great moment.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You also like hit this incredible inside out fourhand to
win your Grand Slam against Serena. Take us through, like
what that must have felt for Maddie and what she's
gone through.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Similarly to you, you were an old in age when
you won.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You you was open, you'd been close at the French Open,
You've been to the Semis and of the final. Take
us through what that must have meant for her and
what she's put in and the thing she said afterwards
about therapy and everything like that, what the big.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Picture was for you?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh look, I was so happy for her. I think.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The whole tournament, before the draw was even done, I
thought saba Anka was gonna win. So then it was
funny when it got to Saberlanka and Keys in the final,
I was like, oh, I can't now back against the
person I've been saying's going to win with her actually
in the final, but thing, yeah, I was like, Keys
has got a great shot here. I was super impressed
(08:45):
with the way she fought through that match with Fiantech.
I said it somewhere, you know, I thought she was
done down and out. I thought physically she looked more
tapped than what Eager did, especially in that super tie
break and a couple of other key things that happened
in there. But somehow she found a way to win
(09:06):
the more important points and get herself back into that
tie break and then ultimately win it. And she went
out and won it like she absolutely deserved that semi final,
And after seeing her play like that going into the final,
it was like, Okay, I think this is sort of
meant to be for her, And.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I do feel like it was great that she got.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Off to a good start and really kind of set
the tone there because you kind of want that knowing Okay, well,
I've been in this situation before. Didn't go my way,
I didn't handle it well. I think the way that
she was able to turn that around, especially in that
time frame two seven years a long time to have
(09:46):
between drinks to you know, think about that and then okay,
well how am I different now?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What could I do? And to play?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And then there was some key things In that third set,
I think it was one all love third she got
out of. Then the five all game was a joke,
and it was like that five all game, she just
stepped up and just took it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
To another level.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And it was neck and neck really up until that point,
and whatever came over her, it was like, I'm going
out to win this, and I just love seeing that,
and it genuinely made me like, obviously love tennis, and
I love watching tennis anyway.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But that little period of five or six.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Minutes from five all to the end of the match
made me really excited about tennis and like, geez, that's
incredible to watch. It's like edges, you seat stuff. I
was sitting in the green room at Channel nine and
there was fire or maybe five of us in there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And we were like up on our feet.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And fist pumping up just because the tennis was so good.
And I just hats off to her for what she like.
We can go into the things that she's changed and adapted,
but to do what she did in that moment and
say I'm going to be better than what I've been before,
and I'm going to do it every point.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And you know, if it comes off.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I know I'm going to get the ultimate reward of
what I've always wanted, and if it doesn't, I'm actually
going to sleep better anyway because I'm not going to
be scared about missing. She went out and won that,
and I think that's just what every player should aspire to. Like,
I want all the girls in my BJKT to watch
that last ten minutes and be like, Okay, like that
(11:34):
was unbelievable, but it's doable. It is actually doable to
do that. It's a decision that you can make and
kind of take it with both hands and go after it.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, So you know, I know that you hate talking
about yourself and you know the successes that you had,
but sort of take me through that maturation of sort
of what you went through losing the French Open final
and the things you learned, And is that the.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Feeling that you had also?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You and I have talked about it, but and we've
talked about it on the pod, But do you think
that you know the things that she would have learned
through that period of Yes, seven years is a long time,
but do you think that that last couple of games
were very similar to you?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Like, I have to take this I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Allow someone you know, arguably Sabolenka best player on hard
court for the last two or three years, and also
Serena being the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You have to take it. And that's what I like
to see.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But also just the clarity on her and the calmness
she had in the end, because that's always been her
bit of an achilles heel.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think playing the likes of Sabolenka or Serena whatever,
they're not going to get into those moments and then
give you the match like they've been there, done that,
they know how to win. So if you want to win,
you actually have to win it. In my opinion, maybe
one out of whatever. You might get lucky and they'll
make somenth forced aerius and you know, not be out
(12:55):
to handle it, but you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Have to go for it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And I think, like, I don't know exactly obviously what
her experience was at the US Open final, but clearly
just handle it well.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, But I'm saying like in the lead.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Up and all that, how she felt and whatever, she
didn't handle it well. And looking back on my French Open,
I feel like there was things that I definitely could
have done better and wish I'd done better, obviously, but
I also don't think I played as bad as what
I thought I did in the moment, and can look
at the actual match with a bit more clarity now. However,
(13:34):
in the lead up to the final, things were just
so different to any other match. All of a sudden,
you know you're doing There's more media, there's more attention,
there's more this. Oh my god, I'm playing my first
grandson final. I had paparazzi for the first time ever
in my life, following me leaving the restaurant the night
before my final, thinking what.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The hell is going on?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like everything was different, and I'd never gone through that
moment before, neither had my coach, neither had my matcher.
None of us in my team had ever experienced what
that was, and so you know, not to say that
Skivone's team or anyone had either, but whatever the case,
she did it better on the day and deserved to win.
(14:19):
I thought I could have been a bit better, and
so I learned that then going into the US Open,
and obviously totally different circumstances and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Nothing's always exactly the same, but we'd.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Had that experience as a team, and I'd had that
experience as an individual and being the player to say,
I don't want to feel like that again, and I'm
going to do a B and C and stick to
this and go out there and win the match on
my terms because I don't want.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
To feel like I did at the French Trap.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I don't want to not be able to watch this
final for a year before I can handle.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And she said, you know, there's probably not many days
that went by between losing that.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Two am I going to get another chance and do that?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And so hats off to her for dealing with it,
getting the therapy, and then obviously there was those changes
that she made with a serve and racket, which I
think were absolutely huge, and then we can go into
that as well. But it's it's just a great thing
to see someone of her age and experience still feel
(15:22):
like there was something to learn and something to gain
from all of that. And then because I think everyone
in the tennis world probably thought, jeez, Matty Keys really
could win a Grand Slam.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh yeah, I think we all agree now.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And that's always that's always such a hard thing to
deal with. Two when because potential is only potential and
an idea and a theory. It doesn't mean that anyone's
ever going to get it. You still need to go
and do the work and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Absolutely, And I think you know, I give I didn't
give Petco enough credit last week, and frankly Maddie enough
credit when Petko said, look, we can talk about the racket,
we can talk about the changes as a serve. We
can talk about the fact that you know, beyond I
felt was probably going to be the most pivotal person
sitting on the side of a court for anyone in history,
because he was able to help her through those moments emotionally.
(16:12):
But Peko said, but everything she did was because she
wanted to do it, and she's the one had to
sell it, and she's the one that decided to change
the racket, and she's the one that decided in the
end to change the feet you know, on the serve,
and she's the one that decided to go to therapy
and make the changes in her life. And I think
that you know, in the end, Madison Keys has grown
(16:35):
exponentially in the last twelve months of dealing with that
pressure and also the set in five to three against
Sabolenka at the US Open. I was their courtside and
that was a complete debarcle. She completely fell apart and
Sabolanka played very well in the third set. But to
learn from all of those mistakes, you know, like you said,
you hope the girls that you're coaching now as the
captain of the Captain of the Billy Jean Kinkup can
(16:58):
learn that you can do those things in a later
age and make the choices. But also Petcko brought up
a really good point about Martin Kaimer. He used to
be number one golfer in the world, how he played
a certain way and to win the masses he had
to play a little bit differently, and how it completely
fucked up his career. So you can make the changes
and it can be really great, and you can make them.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And thins and go south.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So there's things that you even in life, are in sports.
You're making big choices there to make big changes. And
the fact that it worked out for her is this
testament to her like actually having the courage to do
that and the fortitude.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And I love that she says, I wanted it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I wanted it really bad, but I didn't need it,
and that's super important. That doesn't mean that you don't
put in the hard work, That doesn't mean you're not
putting in the same hours, doesn't mean you don't want
it as much, but you don't need it a very
different feeling.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, and just on that about her being the one
doing it, that's why you have people around you and
a team to help obviously make suggestions and work through
those things. But ultimately, if the player doesn't want to
do it, they're not going to do it, and it's
not going to work. And if you do it half
fast or not, you know, not wholeheartedly. It doesn't matter
(18:09):
what racket you're swinging or how you're serving technique wise,
if you don't fully believe in it. But she bought
in to the idea and stuck with it, and it,
you know, helped her in the biggest moment of her career.
So it's still up to her to follow through with that.
And also we're not talking about a technique on a
(18:31):
shot that was a bad shot either, Like, yeah, he
had a really good serve and there wasn't like if
people could have her serve, there'd be beny plays putting
their hand up saying yeah, sure, I'll have Matti Keysa sir.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, Ka would have won five Grand slams that she'd
maybe had her serf.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So it was still actually a weapon of hers, but
she thought it could be better and obviously to try
and help the injuries and things that she carries in
the nigger and that along the way.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That obviously goes there.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
But it's an element of risk there as well, because
if it doesn't work out or you can't stick to
it and you lose your rhythm and then other things happen,
especially on the serve, that can be really tough.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
When it's actually a weapon of yours.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
It's not like having a terrible shot where you're like,
well there's nothing to lose here because I can't bloody
hit it anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, she actually did so again to.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Do that at her level, her ranking, her time in
her career and everything. I just I really, yeah, give
her a lot and a lot of credit for doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, hats off, just really quick.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
On Madison now not being able to play this tournament
at Austin because it's a two fifty.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And we've talked about this after you won the US Open,
you said you probably should have taken a little bit
of time off just to adjust to all that. I mean,
she's been on Good Morning America. She's got all this
stuff going on, and I just wonder, I'm not sure
if she's pulled out of delha and Dubai or what
her schedule is going to change. If it's going to change,
because that's what her schedule was supposed to be, what
would you advise. And also not being able to play
(20:05):
this two fifty now because she's in the top ten,
what do you think about that he would have played.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That she was entered for that.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, yes, Look.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
If I was her and could go back, I probably
wouldn't bother playing Doha if that's the next one, that
is the next one after Abu Dhabi. Just take some
time enjoy. Obviously it's been a whirlwind anyway. But actually,
now you're not going to win matches now just because
(20:37):
you won the Australian Open.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, it doesn't mean that you're.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Just gonna now carry on because you've got that title.
So you're still got to prepare, You still to be practice,
You're still got to do all the things that got
you to winning these strain.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Open and I think it realistically, there's not enough time
and just enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Like I knows that she's going to win another Grand Slam,
so go home, She's done all the stuff. Now, Actually
just really enjoy it for yourself and the people that
you want to enjoy it with. I think before you,
you know, get back out there, because then you go
through it all again, like you're going to do media
and go through relive the Aussie Open all over again.
(21:43):
And you know, but which is great, and that's going
to happen no matter where you start. But actually just
feel prepared to put in the same way and so yeah,
I ditched, Oh I far was her?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Maybe even Dubai.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Depending on what you know, how you're feeling, you might
be really eager and super keen to get out there,
so which is great.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
But I would just say just be ready to actually play.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And yeah, look the whole rules about top ten not
being able to play two fifties and all of that,
there's lots of ins and outs of those rules that
I don't quite understand, and I think it's a real
shame for some of those tournaments that they don't get
a player. I didn't also love when you could have
one top ten player at those events and it was
(22:29):
like the first one who entered.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Got in and that was it. And or last year
in Hong Kong.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Say when Emma Navarro lost early in Beijing and then
could take a wild card into a two fifty. See,
you're not really allowed to play. But now I'm going
to take a wild card into a two fifty. I
think that's ridiculous. So I think there's maybe little tweeks
of those rules that probably need to be adjusted.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And also, you know you've got four Americans, four inside
the top ten right now is incredible. You've got Emma Navarro,
Jessica Bagoula, Coco and Madison. Why not keep promoting the
sport in America, which, let's face it, that's where a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The dollars are.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
You know, you could grow that tournament from a two
fifty or five hundred maybe and go into Indian wells.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
There could be ways.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
To move the I just just to me, it's shooting
yourself in the foot. If someone happens to enter the tournament,
I want to play there and happens to win the
Australian Open and get back inside the top ten.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Well lucky then, yeah, I agree, And it's it's kind
of like, okay, well great, those four players can play
those big mandatory thousands, but yeah, what about all the
other ones where you could be doing exactly what you've
just said and in your own market. That's where I'd
just like, if we had a top ten player and
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they said you couldn't go and play in.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Hoeba, not Brisbane from five hundred or Hobart or.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Something, be like, are you kidding me right now? That
tournament could do amazing things with a player like that. So,
especially when it's from your own market, I think it's
there's something that doesn't work for me.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think there was something with on Suberto wanting to
play a smaller tournament the Middle East and they wouldn't
because she was top tener. It's just like you're trying
to grow the market, Like, why are you stifling that situation?
It's crazy, especially Madison, who if she chooses not to
go to Doha and Dubai, that's a perfect place for
her to go and play before Indian well.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Before in the world in Miami.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, news today, your thoughts on
Simona Hallett retire retiring.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I'm going to give my thoughts and I want yours.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I feel really badly for her that her career ended
the way it did, whether you believe her or not,
whether you think a team fucked up or not, whether
you think whatever the injury, it's just it's sad that
someone you know that.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Gave a lot to the sport.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know, Look, she probably got tested more than anyone,
or just as much as any top ten player for
those periods that she was doing well and came back
clean every single time she won the French Open, when
she won, when woman, it just feels icky that it
had to end just like like that.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I read it just a couple of hours ago and
I was like, she feel really sad for her because
it's just that's not the way you want to see
anyone go out. And I'm like, if she's innocent, I
feel really bad that it's come to this and now
it's done and it's finished the way it has and
it's just sad.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And if she's guilty, I don't feel quite so sad
for her.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Obviously, because I'm like, well, yeah, che did, but it's
still not a great way to you know, come out
because she, as you said, in her height and prime
and everything, it was all clean.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
There was nothing, nothing to talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
There was never a problem, right, So yeah, I do
if she's innocent, I do feel really bad that it's
come to this, But losing.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Like one in one in your home.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Tournament and it was kind of oh, that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
It's sad.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, I just look, you know, we both know her.
She's lovely, always been super nice to everyone. Like she's
pretty quiet girl, but you know, overall she was always
treated everyone pretty well. Obviously got a little bit closer
to her because of Darren Cahill's relationship.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
With her, And I just remember some of the great
matches that she played.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, that match against Kerber at the Australian Open
goes down as one of the great matches I ever
sat courtside for at the Australian Open as a commentator.
I mean, I'll never forget that one point that they
played with they both looped it up in the air.
It was about three and a half hours into the
match and they both stopped in the middle of the
point and literally took breaths. It was like, am I
actually seeing this, Like it was like a fifty ball
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rally and they finally just hit a loop button. They
both just stood there, okay, and off where you go again.
And then of course the final with Ozniaku was incredible.
I think the US the Wimbledon match against a Serena
was like, it's the best match I ever single play.
And of course, you know her losing that match against
Ostapenko where she was up a set and three love,
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that's a.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Much she will regret for her whole career.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know, you played her many many, many times, great competitor,
and you know, as I said, it just feels really
sad that it finished the way it did.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, no, no, absolutely, And like you said, whether you
believe her or don't believe her or whatever, it seems
like a very very complicated, you know, series of events
that have happened and decisions got made and everything else,
and it's really it's kind of been tough to watch
someone go through that and start playing and then not
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play and then start again and not and yeah, now
it's now it's done. I just yeah, I hope that
you know, maybe now that she's okay, yeah, going to
not play anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's kind of get on with life.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And I would do exactly the same as her and
fight to the death if you're innocent about something like that.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I totally get it. I'd do exactly the same.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
But it must be so draining and you know, just
awful to have to go through and obviously financially.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, but whether that's.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
As much of a toll is what the emotional toll
is if you believe you're innocent.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think she made a big
mistake changing her team, and I think that, you know,
in the end she took she believed them, and.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Wort All points to that time, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, it certainly does.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
On a good note, petri Kevineva just announced she's coming
back after you know, the time away and.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Baby and all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But as she said, we're at the first tournament's going
to be.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No, she has not, but she is, I would imagine
trying to get herself ready for the old grass courts.
That's probably where she's thinking about coming back. Just her
thoughts on Petra coming back and you know what that
must be.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Like for her, Yeah, Oh, how exciting.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Look, she was always such a great player, person, someone
that you wanted to have on tour and obviously you
know Grand Slam champion as well. So I think she
was it was kind of like, oh, I'm leaving, and
then he kind of hoped, Okay, well is she going
to come back? And I think you never know with
players obviously how they're going to respond and come back
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if it's possible, if they even want to at that time,
once they have a child. So I think that the
fact that we're going to see Petro back out on
court again is fantastic. And again, anyone who can do
that and you know, come back to especially high level sport,
is just phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Hats off because it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
The good news is Austin lost Maddie, but they bring
I just looked it up. They're getting petrick A Vitivas.
So that's a nice storyline. That's where she's making a comeback.
But I think what she's trying to get some matches
under a belt and all that sort of stuff. But
I think her thought process is if I can get
you know, six or seven tournaments under my belt before
the grass courts, I might you know.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Play pretty well.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
There was also I mean she kind of looked like
the last year or two of her career that she
was just like, like just it was almost like she
had no impotence anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
She didn't really want to be out there. She looked
a little bit bored, a little bit it's.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
A grind, and it looked like she'd hit a bit
of a wall. So I think maybe she's going to
come back with a very different perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Maybe, yeah, a little refresher though it's probably not going
to be any more refreshed having a baby, but different
in a different way.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So yeah, again, she's.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Been she'd been on tour for a long time and
been through a lot, and yeah, sometimes you know, maybe
having that break and time away in a good way.
Obviously it's not dealing with a major injury that you're
out and that's stressful in its own way, but a
really nice positive thing that's taken her away from the
sport to then be able to come back my just
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make her that little.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Bit more hungry again. And you know, again everyone.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Says that they come back with a bit of a
different perspective and things don't seem so bad when they're
bad and whatever else, because there's something you know, slightly
more important than just whether you won that match.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You've got a little human to.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Take care of, So it's I think it's Yeah, it's
exciting for tennis and obviously exciting for her.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And some have been really great coming back. Some have
struggled a little bit more than others.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's just nice to have her back, give it another
shot for at least probably a year or two.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
It must move so quickly, sorry, it moves so quickly.
If you are out of the sport for whatever reason
and you try and come back, it doesn't mean you're
going to get back to where you were.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
And I think, like you just alluded to.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Some probably thought, oh, yeah, i'll be fine. I feel
just as good as what I did before. I'm hitting
the ball just as good in practice, and YadA YadA.
But you don't get the results straight away. And if
that doesn't happen straight away, sometimes that's another thing that
you have to deal with that maybe you never really
had to deal with before because you were just so good.
And I think that's where now looking back, seeing Serena
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have those multiple times out four extended periods to then
come back and win the AO or.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Come back and do what she did.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Numerous times, you're like, WHOA, that's actually not normal, like
because there's been a few players now come back from
having children or being injured or whatever, and they're not
making semis the finals of Grand Slams again straight away.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
So it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Tennis moves so fast, and if you're not in it
sometimes it's hard to catch up.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
But I hope this time, you know, she does well.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I guess in the end, she doesn't need to win
any Grand Slams to prove how great a player she
is and was, and so she'll be in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
She's got to Wemblen titles.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
She's achieved so much in her career, won so many tournaments.
So I think she's probably coming back to to say,
let me give it one more go and see because
you also loved the sport. I mean, look how long
you played as well, so as we've established twenty plus
years on tour. I don't know if you saw the
Davis Cup fiasco. Did you see the Davis cupiasco with
Bergs hitting?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
All right, give me your thoughts on that situation.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I think.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I am like, Okay, firstly, how did he not see
what's his name playing green and Barren coming? And if
he didn't know it was him, it was still going
to be someone. So you just knocked someone out. So firstly,
I'm like, well, maybe you just need to give yourself
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a little more space between the net and the umpires, Dan,
But at the same time, it was obviously completely unintentional
and just an act of the moment of what playing
for his country meant to him, and such as time
in the match at home, he's got the break, he's
about to see for the match, you know, all those
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things just ultimate excitement. And then I have no doubt
it not Garren and obviously he was on the ground,
But to say I'm not going to play anymore and
do that, I'm like, come on, can.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
We not get up and just finish the match?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I was a bit like, yeah, I didn't love that,
but I'm not God like put yourself in his shoes too,
But it felt like to me he wanted the default
because he just lost serve and thought he was going
to lose the match.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yes, I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I also agree, and I said it on x I
was like and on the social media, so I was like,
come on, Like, the guy was excited. We see it
all the time in tennis where people run to their
chair and they're trying to make a point, they're trying
to let the home crowd and get it in, and
he's excited. I also think that Geren could have slowed
down to let him go right, because you could. You know,
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when your opponent's running, you see it. It's not like
you've got your head down and you're not looking. You
see the guy coming running. And how many times often
do you see that and you just kind of step
back and you're like, go ahead, douchebag, you just broke me,
f you kind of thing, you know. And he did it,
and he was like, nah, I'm going to keep walking.
And you see that Bergs tries to jump because the
umpires stands aren't like straight up and down. They often
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have a little bit of a curve to them, you know,
so obviously the umpire has got a little bit of
balance under there. So I reckon, what's happened is he's
gone running and gone, on, shit, I'm getting pretty close
to Garen and I'm close to the umpire's chair and
I've got a better jump, so I get ahead of
him right and miss him and miss the chair because
he wouldn't have jumped if he thought he was going
to just run straight through it, right or run past it.
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So he's probably trying to jump as you do. We've
all done it where you like walking by someone and
you just kind of get out of the way.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And he obviously just miss timed it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But I also think garn could have stopped because he
would have seen him running, and I think he was
trying to make a bit of a mother fuck you,
I'm not going to stop kind of thing and then
bang and happy And it was an unintentional, complete accident.
I've seen it millions of times that people have run
in front of me and I And you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Think about if anyone doesn't know this, and you're not
old enough, go on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Put in Arenaspurlea Venus williams Us open incident, okay, and
you're going to see the same kind of thing happened
when two players weren't giving up their position.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And they banged into each other and no one got
defaulted in the situation, no one.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Was like, oh what happened?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And it was it wasn't great and this was a
I called this a fiasco. I was like, what a fiasco?
This garrantee also like going on the.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Ground like I can't play anymore. I can't see. I mean,
come on, give me a break.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Wasn't that bad?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So then he got the time violations and then that's
what ultimately finished the match. Yeah, what rubber? Was that
actual tie?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Actually exciting match?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know, actually, but I'm sure people will certainly
let me know once you know, you know, but they
should also know I'm half the time, I'm never prepared
for those answers.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But even still, it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Was clearly a big It was clearly a big point,
and I think you're right he was like, I'm gonna
lose this match. The guy's going to serve it out.
But I would have been like, let's fucking go. I'm
going to break your ass right now, Like, what's.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
The thing If you're going to get enough time violations
to then get point penalties to lose the match, well,
what was.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The last two and a half or three hours? Four?
If now you can't fight it out for the last game.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, it's like, it's not like he elbowed in and
the eye yeah, I yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Again, it's just it'll probably never ever happen again.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And it's just one of those things where.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
If you actually scripted it, you'd be like, Nah, that
can't happen.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
That won't even work. That won't be the way it's
going to go down.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But people saying I should have been defaulted, I'm like,
come on, it was you know, we see things like
this all the time, you know, where things happen and
dumb shit and you trip over.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Or you know whatever was con sense he can't I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Even if yes, obviously, if you hit a ball and
it hits somebody on the court, it technically is an
automatic default. So if you hit someone, yeah, okay, but
there's intent and not intent. And this is where I'm
glad common sense ruled.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
To because he saw him coming and I'm sure he
anticipated that he would slow.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Down and let him go flying fine through.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
But that's what I'm saying. So common sense prevailed to
not default in that situation, just as common sense should
have prevailed for Carto not to be defaulted at the
French Open last year. Sorry two years ear now for
hitting that ball which was not hard, not intent for,
not anything, and she got defaulted because it happened to
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hit the ball. Kit Like, if common sense could have
prevailed there, it would have saved a lot of heartache.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
So I'm glad this time around it did.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, me too, anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
All right, well, Las Sam you Billy jin King captain,
La la la, all that sort of stuff. It's been fun,
I'm sure, having to look after all the little ones
and the young ones coming up, yet enjoying it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Absolutely, there's a I mean, we've got a bit of
a mix.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
We've got some older players and ones that I've played with,
so it's kind of in some ways funny now to
be the captain and be like, well, I've played doubles
with you, and I played doubles with you, and I
shared a coach with you, and now and obviously we've
got some younger players now trying to push to get
into the team as well.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
So but no, it's been fun. It's been good.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, good, All right, Well, I thank you for doing
this with me and so we can get it out
and I know people love to hear from you and
they love your perspective things, and I'm sure I'm going
to send this to Madison so she can hear from
you to not played dohat and Dubai and you've gotten
the okay from Samstoza.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I'm sure that I'll make all the difference.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
All right, mate, Well, I want to say thank you.
Don't hang up on me because I'm going to keep
talking to you for a second, but i'm going to
stop recording. And thanks for joining me today. And everybody
remember like and subscribe and we'll hear from who knows
next week who knows.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
All right, we'll see you guys,
Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I have a funny story to tell you all.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
So I had to call Sam Stozer because I left
Melbourne very quickly. She left the courts really quickly, and
then all of a sudden, I was like, I'm not
going to see Sam. And then I thought I need
to do my podcast today. Who could I talk to
that I need to talk to that I haven't seen
since I left Melbourne. Who could help me get through
my podcast today? And it's Sam Stozer.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good day mate.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Hello, I knew there was another reason.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, tell the story before we start this. You can
throw me under the bus.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah. I just saw your message and I thought, oh,
what's funny, Stubbs.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
He wants to have a chat. I wonder what that's about.
That'd be a bit random. And then minutes later I
get a zoom link to do a podcast. So lucky
I was, you know, not doing much at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, Sam, you know you have been aepy to help. Yeah,
but listen, you are.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Also the person that's been on this podcast I think
more than anyone, because you have co hosted with me before.
And now that you're a media star doing television in Australia. Well,
I just thought who better to get on here but you.
So before we get going, Sam, how's the television.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Retirement life been for you?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
To for our lovely listeners that certainly know you and
miss you on the tour?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's actually been very good. I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'd already tried it a couple of times, dabbled in
and out for the odd match here and there. One
time in two thousand and eight when I couldn't play
the Aussie Open. I did it for a week and
then the odd match here and there the last few years,
and thought, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, I don't mind it.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But then when it becomes sort of more of a thing,
I was like, I wonder how it to go. And
now I've done two opens Tooussie Opens, and I have
to say I actually quite enjoy it. I'd certainly interesting seeing
things from the other side and how that works and
sort of what how it all intertwines together.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So I think, honestly, I think if when we were
players had a little.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Bit more of an insight into a toilet break situation
trying to you know, fill air or getting late to it,
you know, when you're called to your match and you
decide to take an extra five minutes because you're not ready.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Honestly, like, now, I.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
See how disruptive that can be to something like television,
which is obviously trying to get us out there and
get our matches on the screen so that more people
can watch. I can see some of the frustration now,
so a new appreciation and I've actually, yeah, I've really
enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
That is so fascinating that you decided to bring that up,
because that is so true. I think when you do,
whether it's you know, players that are now sort of
tournament directors or running tournaments or doing television, you sort
of get the whole bigger picture of things. Which is
why even when I make comments about certain things players do,
for example, on the court, or they take forever in
(03:14):
the toilet, or you know, they don't get on the
court quick enough, or they decide to like you know,
you know, sort of ask for things from a tornment director,
you're just like, you get it now, you sort of understand.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And it's interesting that it's interesting that you bring that up.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I think that's a conversation to be had with more
players from the WTA perspective, it's actually bringing great players
like yourself, Grand Slam champions like yourself in to say, look,
I know you guys don't get it, because like I didn't,
now I'm on the other side of it, and I
understand the importance of those one or two minutes of
a toilet break and having to fill time on air.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And how also you can.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Talk about and I know this myself from tournament directors,
especially Grand Slam tournament directors, they're like, the ratings go
down when certain things like that happen, people turn off
the television. And how important television literally pays for the players.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's what prize money comes from.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, it comes from sponsorship, but really television is the
biggest driver of people's prize money.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And so when you want more prize.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Money, you've got to have bigger television ratings, and you've
got to have people that want to sponsor those television
where the Channel nine in Australia or ESPN in the US,
like they.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
If it's something, isn't different.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Things exactly, It's all intertwined. So it's really interesting that
you said that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I didn't even think about asking you about that, but
good I hope people that do with our players, that
listen to us, we'll.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Hear that it's got to go both ways, obviously, because
I mean, there's no product without the players, and there's
no you know, plays without somewhere to go and play.
So it's got to go both ways. But it certainly
has given me another perspective. And you know, I took
like two toilet breaks in my whole life, so it's
not like I feel guilty.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
For doing certain things at all, but now I see
it from another way.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm going to throw this out there.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think it's an ausy thing because I played twenty
two years on tour.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You played what seventeen, eighteen.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Twenty two, yeah, twenty open.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So in twenty two years of playing professionally, give or.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Take the two of us, forty four years of playing professionally,
we took four toilet breaks, the two of us.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So there are things to be said. That's a whole
but we could get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But I think that's really important for people to understand.
You know, when they bitch and moan about you know,
we're not getting this and we're not getting that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, you have to.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's quid pro quo you've got to get what you give,
and you give what you get. So good point to
start with, Sam, look at that. See, this is why
we have you on. Actually a little bit of a
controversial thing that I got thrown at me on the
Old X in my last.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Podcast with Petcos.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
We were so enthusiastic to talk about the women's final
and I want your thoughts on Madison Keys as well,
but because you did virtually all of her matches as
well as Isustra and open the controversy with the woman
yelling out to Zverev about you know, Australia believes, you know,
the two women that have accused him.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And people were like, why didn't you talk about that?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And I was like, because I wanted to talk about
the positive things about the strain and open and particularly
about Madison Keys and what she did.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But I don't know how you thought about that.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
My thinking is I've spoken so much about the Zverev situation.
People should know how I feel about him and about
that situation. But also I just didn't think that was
I guess there's a time to yell it out. That
was perfect time because it was dead quiet, because people
wanted to hear what he had to say. But I
just I honestly didn't talk about it because I forgot
about it.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Well, I haven't thought about it for a moment since actually, so.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, look, perfect time for that person to do that.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't think it's an appropriate time overall, though, like,
come on, it's not what that moment's about. So I
didn't honestly, I couldn't even understand what she was yelling out.
It wasn't until afterwards I read it online. So yeah, look,
I don't I don't think it's a great I'm not
(07:07):
about that sort of behavior.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Put it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Mean, listen, I can understand if you really feel strongly
about the two women that have accused him of you know,
assault and all that sort of stuff, you can understand
that was the perfect time to do it. But also,
at the same time, it kind of felt bad for
Sinner in a lot of ways because he was like, well, jeez,
this is sor of taking it away from his moment
as well. But anyway, to the person who and the
people who came at me on X, we totally forgot
(07:31):
about it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
We didn't even think about talking about it because.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
We wanted to get to how good the women's final was,
and for someone like you who's won a Grand Slam,
and you know, I thought about you when Madison hit
that inside out fourhand to win the tournament, was such
a great shot.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It was such a great moment.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You also like hit this incredible inside out fourhand to
win your Grand Slam against Serena. Take us through, like
what that must have felt for Maddie and what she's
gone through.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Similarly to you, you were an old in age when
you won.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You you was open, you'd been close at the French Open,
You've been to the Semis and of the final. Take
us through what that must have meant for her and
what she's put in and the thing she said afterwards
about therapy and everything like that, what the big.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Picture was for you?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh look, I was so happy for her. I think.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The whole tournament, before the draw was even done, I
thought saba Anka was gonna win. So then it was
funny when it got to Saberlanka and Keys in the final,
I was like, oh, I can't now back against the
person I've been saying's going to win with her actually
in the final, but thing, yeah, I was like, Keys
has got a great shot here. I was super impressed
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with the way she fought through that match with Fiantech.
I said it somewhere, you know, I thought she was
done down and out. I thought physically she looked more
tapped than what Eager did, especially in that super tie
break and a couple of other key things that happened
in there. But somehow she found a way to win
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the more important points and get herself back into that
tie break and then ultimately win it. And she went
out and won it like she absolutely deserved that semi final,
And after seeing her play like that going into the final,
it was like, Okay, I think this is sort of
meant to be for her, And.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I do feel like it was great that she got.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Off to a good start and really kind of set
the tone there because you kind of want that knowing Okay, well,
I've been in this situation before. Didn't go my way,
I didn't handle it well. I think the way that
she was able to turn that around, especially in that
time frame two seven years a long time to have
(09:46):
between drinks to you know, think about that and then okay,
well how am I different now?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What could I do? And to play?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And then there was some key things In that third set,
I think it was one all love third she got
out of. Then the five all game was a joke,
and it was like that five all game, she just
stepped up and just took it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
To another level.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And it was neck and neck really up until that point,
and whatever came over her, it was like, I'm going
out to win this, and I just love seeing that,
and it genuinely made me like, obviously love tennis, and
I love watching tennis anyway.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But that little period of five or six.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Minutes from five all to the end of the match
made me really excited about tennis and like, geez, that's
incredible to watch. It's like edges, you seat stuff. I
was sitting in the green room at Channel nine and
there was fire or maybe five of us in there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And we were like up on our feet.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And fist pumping up just because the tennis was so good.
And I just hats off to her for what she like.
We can go into the things that she's changed and adapted,
but to do what she did in that moment and
say I'm going to be better than what I've been before,
and I'm going to do it every point.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And you know, if it comes off.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I know I'm going to get the ultimate reward of
what I've always wanted, and if it doesn't, I'm actually
going to sleep better anyway because I'm not going to
be scared about missing. She went out and won that,
and I think that's just what every player should aspire to. Like,
I want all the girls in my BJKT to watch
that last ten minutes and be like, Okay, like that
(11:34):
was unbelievable, but it's doable. It is actually doable to
do that. It's a decision that you can make and
kind of take it with both hands and go after it.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, So you know, I know that you hate talking
about yourself and you know the successes that you had,
but sort of take me through that maturation of sort
of what you went through losing the French Open final
and the things you learned, And is that the.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Feeling that you had also?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You and I have talked about it, but and we've
talked about it on the pod, But do you think
that you know the things that she would have learned
through that period of Yes, seven years is a long time,
but do you think that that last couple of games
were very similar to you?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Like, I have to take this I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Allow someone you know, arguably Sabolenka best player on hard
court for the last two or three years, and also
Serena being the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You have to take it. And that's what I like
to see.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But also just the clarity on her and the calmness
she had in the end, because that's always been her
bit of an achilles heel.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think playing the likes of Sabolenka or Serena whatever,
they're not going to get into those moments and then
give you the match like they've been there, done that,
they know how to win. So if you want to win,
you actually have to win it. In my opinion, maybe
one out of whatever. You might get lucky and they'll
make somenth forced aerius and you know, not be out
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to handle it, but you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Have to go for it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And I think, like, I don't know exactly obviously what
her experience was at the US Open final, but clearly
just handle it well.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, But I'm saying like in the lead.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Up and all that, how she felt and whatever, she
didn't handle it well. And looking back on my French Open,
I feel like there was things that I definitely could
have done better and wish I'd done better, obviously, but
I also don't think I played as bad as what
I thought I did in the moment, and can look
at the actual match with a bit more clarity now. However,
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in the lead up to the final, things were just
so different to any other match. All of a sudden,
you know you're doing There's more media, there's more attention,
there's more this. Oh my god, I'm playing my first
grandson final. I had paparazzi for the first time ever
in my life, following me leaving the restaurant the night
before my final, thinking what.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The hell is going on?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like everything was different, and I'd never gone through that
moment before, neither had my coach, neither had my matcher.
None of us in my team had ever experienced what
that was, and so you know, not to say that
Skivone's team or anyone had either, but whatever the case,
she did it better on the day and deserved to win.
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I thought I could have been a bit better, and
so I learned that then going into the US Open,
and obviously totally different circumstances and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Nothing's always exactly the same, but we'd.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Had that experience as a team, and I'd had that
experience as an individual and being the player to say,
I don't want to feel like that again, and I'm
going to do a B and C and stick to
this and go out there and win the match on
my terms because I don't want.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
To feel like I did at the French Trap.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I don't want to not be able to watch this
final for a year before I can handle.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And she said, you know, there's probably not many days
that went by between losing that.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Two am I going to get another chance and do that?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And so hats off to her for dealing with it,
getting the therapy, and then obviously there was those changes
that she made with a serve and racket, which I
think were absolutely huge, and then we can go into
that as well. But it's it's just a great thing
to see someone of her age and experience still feel
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like there was something to learn and something to gain
from all of that. And then because I think everyone
in the tennis world probably thought, jeez, Matty Keys really
could win a Grand Slam.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh yeah, I think we all agree now.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And that's always that's always such a hard thing to
deal with. Two when because potential is only potential and
an idea and a theory. It doesn't mean that anyone's
ever going to get it. You still need to go
and do the work and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Absolutely, And I think you know, I give I didn't
give Petco enough credit last week, and frankly Maddie enough
credit when Petko said, look, we can talk about the racket,
we can talk about the changes as a serve. We
can talk about the fact that you know, beyond I
felt was probably going to be the most pivotal person
sitting on the side of a court for anyone in history,
because he was able to help her through those moments emotionally.
(16:12):
But Peko said, but everything she did was because she
wanted to do it, and she's the one had to
sell it, and she's the one that decided to change
the racket, and she's the one that decided in the
end to change the feet you know, on the serve,
and she's the one that decided to go to therapy
and make the changes in her life. And I think
that you know, in the end, Madison Keys has grown
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exponentially in the last twelve months of dealing with that
pressure and also the set in five to three against
Sabolenka at the US Open. I was their courtside and
that was a complete debarcle. She completely fell apart and
Sabolanka played very well in the third set. But to
learn from all of those mistakes, you know, like you said,
you hope the girls that you're coaching now as the
captain of the Captain of the Billy Jean Kinkup can
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learn that you can do those things in a later
age and make the choices. But also Petcko brought up
a really good point about Martin Kaimer. He used to
be number one golfer in the world, how he played
a certain way and to win the masses he had
to play a little bit differently, and how it completely
fucked up his career. So you can make the changes
and it can be really great, and you can make them.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And thins and go south.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So there's things that you even in life, are in sports.
You're making big choices there to make big changes. And
the fact that it worked out for her is this
testament to her like actually having the courage to do
that and the fortitude.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And I love that she says, I wanted it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I wanted it really bad, but I didn't need it,
and that's super important. That doesn't mean that you don't
put in the hard work, That doesn't mean you're not
putting in the same hours, doesn't mean you don't want
it as much, but you don't need it a very
different feeling.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, and just on that about her being the one
doing it, that's why you have people around you and
a team to help obviously make suggestions and work through
those things. But ultimately, if the player doesn't want to
do it, they're not going to do it, and it's
not going to work. And if you do it half
fast or not, you know, not wholeheartedly. It doesn't matter
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what racket you're swinging or how you're serving technique wise,
if you don't fully believe in it. But she bought
in to the idea and stuck with it, and it,
you know, helped her in the biggest moment of her career.
So it's still up to her to follow through with that.
And also we're not talking about a technique on a
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shot that was a bad shot either, Like, yeah, he
had a really good serve and there wasn't like if
people could have her serve, there'd be beny plays putting
their hand up saying yeah, sure, I'll have Matti Keysa sir.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, Ka would have won five Grand slams that she'd
maybe had her serf.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So it was still actually a weapon of hers, but
she thought it could be better and obviously to try
and help the injuries and things that she carries in
the nigger and that along the way.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That obviously goes there.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
But it's an element of risk there as well, because
if it doesn't work out or you can't stick to
it and you lose your rhythm and then other things happen,
especially on the serve, that can be really tough.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
When it's actually a weapon of yours.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
It's not like having a terrible shot where you're like,
well there's nothing to lose here because I can't bloody
hit it anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, she actually did so again to.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Do that at her level, her ranking, her time in
her career and everything. I just I really, yeah, give
her a lot and a lot of credit for doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, hats off, just really quick.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
On Madison now not being able to play this tournament
at Austin because it's a two fifty.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And we've talked about this after you won the US Open,
you said you probably should have taken a little bit
of time off just to adjust to all that. I mean,
she's been on Good Morning America. She's got all this
stuff going on, and I just wonder, I'm not sure
if she's pulled out of delha and Dubai or what
her schedule is going to change. If it's going to change,
because that's what her schedule was supposed to be, what
would you advise. And also not being able to play
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this two fifty now because she's in the top ten,
what do you think about that he would have played.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That she was entered for that.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, yes, Look.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
If I was her and could go back, I probably
wouldn't bother playing Doha if that's the next one, that
is the next one after Abu Dhabi. Just take some
time enjoy. Obviously it's been a whirlwind anyway. But actually,
now you're not going to win matches now just because
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you won the Australian Open.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, it doesn't mean that you're.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Just gonna now carry on because you've got that title.
So you're still got to prepare, You still to be practice,
You're still got to do all the things that got
you to winning these strain.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Open and I think it realistically, there's not enough time
and just enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Like I knows that she's going to win another Grand Slam,
so go home, She's done all the stuff. Now, Actually
just really enjoy it for yourself and the people that
you want to enjoy it with. I think before you,
you know, get back out there, because then you go
through it all again, like you're going to do media
and go through relive the Aussie Open all over again.
(21:43):
And you know, but which is great, and that's going
to happen no matter where you start. But actually just
feel prepared to put in the same way and so yeah,
I ditched, Oh I far was her?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Maybe even Dubai.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Depending on what you know, how you're feeling, you might
be really eager and super keen to get out there,
so which is great.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
But I would just say just be ready to actually play.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And yeah, look the whole rules about top ten not
being able to play two fifties and all of that,
there's lots of ins and outs of those rules that
I don't quite understand, and I think it's a real
shame for some of those tournaments that they don't get
a player. I didn't also love when you could have
one top ten player at those events and it was
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like the first one who entered.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Got in and that was it. And or last year
in Hong Kong.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Say when Emma Navarro lost early in Beijing and then
could take a wild card into a two fifty. See,
you're not really allowed to play. But now I'm going
to take a wild card into a two fifty. I
think that's ridiculous. So I think there's maybe little tweeks
of those rules that probably need to be adjusted.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And also, you know you've got four Americans, four inside
the top ten right now is incredible. You've got Emma Navarro,
Jessica Bagoula, Coco and Madison. Why not keep promoting the
sport in America, which, let's face it, that's where a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The dollars are.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
You know, you could grow that tournament from a two
fifty or five hundred maybe and go into Indian wells.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
There could be ways.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
To move the I just just to me, it's shooting
yourself in the foot. If someone happens to enter the tournament,
I want to play there and happens to win the
Australian Open and get back inside the top ten.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Well lucky then, yeah, I agree, And it's it's kind
of like, okay, well great, those four players can play
those big mandatory thousands, but yeah, what about all the
other ones where you could be doing exactly what you've
just said and in your own market. That's where I'd
just like, if we had a top ten player and
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they said you couldn't go and play in.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Hoeba, not Brisbane from five hundred or Hobart or.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Something, be like, are you kidding me right now? That
tournament could do amazing things with a player like that. So,
especially when it's from your own market, I think it's
there's something that doesn't work for me.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think there was something with on Suberto wanting to
play a smaller tournament the Middle East and they wouldn't
because she was top tener. It's just like you're trying
to grow the market, Like, why are you stifling that situation?
It's crazy, especially Madison, who if she chooses not to
go to Doha and Dubai, that's a perfect place for
her to go and play before Indian well.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Before in the world in Miami.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, news today, your thoughts on
Simona Hallett retire retiring.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I'm going to give my thoughts and I want yours.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I feel really badly for her that her career ended
the way it did, whether you believe her or not,
whether you think a team fucked up or not, whether
you think whatever the injury, it's just it's sad that
someone you know that.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Gave a lot to the sport.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know, Look, she probably got tested more than anyone,
or just as much as any top ten player for
those periods that she was doing well and came back
clean every single time she won the French Open, when
she won, when woman, it just feels icky that it
had to end just like like that.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I read it just a couple of hours ago and
I was like, she feel really sad for her because
it's just that's not the way you want to see
anyone go out. And I'm like, if she's innocent, I
feel really bad that it's come to this and now
it's done and it's finished the way it has and
it's just sad.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And if she's guilty, I don't feel quite so sad
for her.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Obviously, because I'm like, well, yeah, che did, but it's
still not a great way to you know, come out
because she, as you said, in her height and prime
and everything, it was all clean.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
There was nothing, nothing to talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
There was never a problem, right, So yeah, I do
if she's innocent, I do feel really bad that it's
come to this, But losing.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Like one in one in your home.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Tournament and it was kind of oh, that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
It's sad.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, I just look, you know, we both know her.
She's lovely, always been super nice to everyone. Like she's
pretty quiet girl, but you know, overall she was always
treated everyone pretty well. Obviously got a little bit closer
to her because of Darren Cahill's relationship.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
With her, And I just remember some of the great
matches that she played.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, that match against Kerber at the Australian Open
goes down as one of the great matches I ever
sat courtside for at the Australian Open as a commentator.
I mean, I'll never forget that one point that they
played with they both looped it up in the air.
It was about three and a half hours into the
match and they both stopped in the middle of the
point and literally took breaths. It was like, am I
actually seeing this, Like it was like a fifty ball
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rally and they finally just hit a loop button. They
both just stood there, okay, and off where you go again.
And then of course the final with Ozniaku was incredible.
I think the US the Wimbledon match against a Serena
was like, it's the best match I ever single play.
And of course, you know her losing that match against
Ostapenko where she was up a set and three love,
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that's a.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Much she will regret for her whole career.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know, you played her many many, many times, great competitor,
and you know, as I said, it just feels really
sad that it finished the way it did.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, no, no, absolutely, And like you said, whether you
believe her or don't believe her or whatever, it seems
like a very very complicated, you know, series of events
that have happened and decisions got made and everything else,
and it's really it's kind of been tough to watch
someone go through that and start playing and then not
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play and then start again and not and yeah, now
it's now it's done. I just yeah, I hope that
you know, maybe now that she's okay, yeah, going to
not play anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's kind of get on with life.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And I would do exactly the same as her and
fight to the death if you're innocent about something like that.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I totally get it. I'd do exactly the same.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
But it must be so draining and you know, just
awful to have to go through and obviously financially.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, but whether that's.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
As much of a toll is what the emotional toll
is if you believe you're innocent.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think she made a big
mistake changing her team, and I think that, you know,
in the end she took she believed them, and.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Wort All points to that time, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, it certainly does.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
On a good note, petri Kevineva just announced she's coming
back after you know, the time away and.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Baby and all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But as she said, we're at the first tournament's going
to be.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No, she has not, but she is, I would imagine
trying to get herself ready for the old grass courts.
That's probably where she's thinking about coming back. Just her
thoughts on Petra coming back and you know what that
must be.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Like for her, Yeah, Oh, how exciting.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Look, she was always such a great player, person, someone
that you wanted to have on tour and obviously you
know Grand Slam champion as well. So I think she
was it was kind of like, oh, I'm leaving, and
then he kind of hoped, Okay, well is she going
to come back? And I think you never know with
players obviously how they're going to respond and come back
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if it's possible, if they even want to at that time,
once they have a child. So I think that the
fact that we're going to see Petro back out on
court again is fantastic. And again, anyone who can do
that and you know, come back to especially high level sport,
is just phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Hats off because it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
The good news is Austin lost Maddie, but they bring
I just looked it up. They're getting petrick A Vitivas.
So that's a nice storyline. That's where she's making a comeback.
But I think what she's trying to get some matches
under a belt and all that sort of stuff. But
I think her thought process is if I can get
you know, six or seven tournaments under my belt before
the grass courts, I might you know.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Play pretty well.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
There was also I mean she kind of looked like
the last year or two of her career that she
was just like, like just it was almost like she
had no impotence anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
She didn't really want to be out there. She looked
a little bit bored, a little bit it's.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
A grind, and it looked like she'd hit a bit
of a wall. So I think maybe she's going to
come back with a very different perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Maybe, yeah, a little refresher though it's probably not going
to be any more refreshed having a baby, but different
in a different way.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So yeah, again, she's.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Been she'd been on tour for a long time and
been through a lot, and yeah, sometimes you know, maybe
having that break and time away in a good way.
Obviously it's not dealing with a major injury that you're
out and that's stressful in its own way, but a
really nice positive thing that's taken her away from the
sport to then be able to come back my just
(31:00):
make her that little.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Bit more hungry again. And you know, again everyone.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Says that they come back with a bit of a
different perspective and things don't seem so bad when they're
bad and whatever else, because there's something you know, slightly
more important than just whether you won that match.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You've got a little human to.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Take care of, So it's I think it's Yeah, it's
exciting for tennis and obviously exciting for her.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And some have been really great coming back. Some have
struggled a little bit more than others.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's just nice to have her back, give it another
shot for at least probably a year or two.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
It must move so quickly, sorry, it moves so quickly.
If you are out of the sport for whatever reason
and you try and come back, it doesn't mean you're
going to get back to where you were.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
And I think, like you just alluded to.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Some probably thought, oh, yeah, i'll be fine. I feel
just as good as what I did before. I'm hitting
the ball just as good in practice, and YadA YadA.
But you don't get the results straight away. And if
that doesn't happen straight away, sometimes that's another thing that
you have to deal with that maybe you never really
had to deal with before because you were just so good.
And I think that's where now looking back, seeing Serena
(32:11):
have those multiple times out four extended periods to then
come back and win the AO or.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Come back and do what she did.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Numerous times, you're like, WHOA, that's actually not normal, like
because there's been a few players now come back from
having children or being injured or whatever, and they're not
making semis the finals of Grand Slams again straight away.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
So it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Tennis moves so fast, and if you're not in it
sometimes it's hard to catch up.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
But I hope this time, you know, she does well.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I guess in the end, she doesn't need to win
any Grand Slams to prove how great a player she
is and was, and so she'll be in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
She's got to Wemblen titles.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
She's achieved so much in her career, won so many tournaments.
So I think she's probably coming back to to say,
let me give it one more go and see because
you also loved the sport. I mean, look how long
you played as well, so as we've established twenty plus
years on tour. I don't know if you saw the
Davis Cup fiasco. Did you see the Davis cupiasco with
Bergs hitting?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
All right, give me your thoughts on that situation.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I think.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I am like, Okay, firstly, how did he not see
what's his name playing green and Barren coming? And if
he didn't know it was him, it was still going
to be someone. So you just knocked someone out. So firstly,
I'm like, well, maybe you just need to give yourself
(33:41):
a little more space between the net and the umpires, Dan,
But at the same time, it was obviously completely unintentional
and just an act of the moment of what playing
for his country meant to him, and such as time
in the match at home, he's got the break, he's
about to see for the match, you know, all those
(34:01):
things just ultimate excitement. And then I have no doubt
it not Garren and obviously he was on the ground,
But to say I'm not going to play anymore and
do that, I'm like, come on, can.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
We not get up and just finish the match?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I was a bit like, yeah, I didn't love that,
but I'm not God like put yourself in his shoes too,
But it felt like to me he wanted the default
because he just lost serve and thought he was going
to lose the match.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yes, I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I also agree, and I said it on x I
was like and on the social media, so I was like,
come on, Like, the guy was excited. We see it
all the time in tennis where people run to their
chair and they're trying to make a point, they're trying
to let the home crowd and get it in, and
he's excited. I also think that Geren could have slowed
down to let him go right, because you could. You know,
(34:56):
when your opponent's running, you see it. It's not like
you've got your head down and you're not looking. You
see the guy coming running. And how many times often
do you see that and you just kind of step
back and you're like, go ahead, douchebag, you just broke me,
f you kind of thing, you know. And he did it,
and he was like, nah, I'm going to keep walking.
And you see that Bergs tries to jump because the
umpires stands aren't like straight up and down. They often
(35:21):
have a little bit of a curve to them, you know,
so obviously the umpire has got a little bit of
balance under there. So I reckon, what's happened is he's
gone running and gone, on, shit, I'm getting pretty close
to Garen and I'm close to the umpire's chair and
I've got a better jump, so I get ahead of
him right and miss him and miss the chair because
he wouldn't have jumped if he thought he was going
to just run straight through it, right or run past it.
(35:43):
So he's probably trying to jump as you do. We've
all done it where you like walking by someone and
you just kind of get out of the way.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And he obviously just miss timed it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But I also think garn could have stopped because he
would have seen him running, and I think he was
trying to make a bit of a mother fuck you,
I'm not going to stop kind of thing and then
bang and happy And it was an unintentional, complete accident.
I've seen it millions of times that people have run
in front of me and I And you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Think about if anyone doesn't know this, and you're not
old enough, go on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Put in Arenaspurlea Venus williams Us open incident, okay, and
you're going to see the same kind of thing happened
when two players weren't giving up their position.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And they banged into each other and no one got
defaulted in the situation, no one.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Was like, oh what happened?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And it was it wasn't great and this was a
I called this a fiasco. I was like, what a fiasco?
This garrantee also like going on the.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Ground like I can't play anymore. I can't see. I mean,
come on, give me a break.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Wasn't that bad?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So then he got the time violations and then that's
what ultimately finished the match. Yeah, what rubber? Was that
actual tie?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Actually exciting match?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know, actually, but I'm sure people will certainly
let me know once you know, you know, but they
should also know I'm half the time, I'm never prepared
for those answers.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But even still, it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Was clearly a big It was clearly a big point,
and I think you're right he was like, I'm gonna
lose this match. The guy's going to serve it out.
But I would have been like, let's fucking go. I'm
going to break your ass right now, Like, what's.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
The thing If you're going to get enough time violations
to then get point penalties to lose the match, well,
what was.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The last two and a half or three hours? Four?
If now you can't fight it out for the last game.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, it's like, it's not like he elbowed in and
the eye yeah, I yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Again, it's just it'll probably never ever happen again.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And it's just one of those things where.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
If you actually scripted it, you'd be like, Nah, that
can't happen.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
That won't even work. That won't be the way it's
going to go down.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But people saying I should have been defaulted, I'm like,
come on, it was you know, we see things like
this all the time, you know, where things happen and
dumb shit and you trip over.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Or you know whatever was con sense he can't I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Even if yes, obviously, if you hit a ball and
it hits somebody on the court, it technically is an
automatic default. So if you hit someone, yeah, okay, but
there's intent and not intent. And this is where I'm
glad common sense ruled.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
To because he saw him coming and I'm sure he
anticipated that he would slow.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Down and let him go flying fine through.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
But that's what I'm saying. So common sense prevailed to
not default in that situation, just as common sense should
have prevailed for Carto not to be defaulted at the
French Open last year. Sorry two years ear now for
hitting that ball which was not hard, not intent for,
not anything, and she got defaulted because it happened to
(38:56):
hit the ball. Kit Like, if common sense could have
prevailed there, it would have saved a lot of heartache.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
So I'm glad this time around it did.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, me too, anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
All right, well, Las Sam you Billy jin King captain,
La la la, all that sort of stuff. It's been fun,
I'm sure, having to look after all the little ones
and the young ones coming up, yet enjoying it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Absolutely, there's a I mean, we've got a bit of
a mix.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
We've got some older players and ones that I've played with,
so it's kind of in some ways funny now to
be the captain and be like, well, I've played doubles
with you, and I played doubles with you, and I
shared a coach with you, and now and obviously we've
got some younger players now trying to push to get
into the team as well.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
So but no, it's been fun. It's been good.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, good, All right, Well, I thank you for doing
this with me and so we can get it out
and I know people love to hear from you and
they love your perspective things, and I'm sure I'm going
to send this to Madison so she can hear from
you to not played dohat and Dubai and you've gotten
the okay from Samstoza.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I'm sure that I'll make all the difference.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
All right, mate, Well, I want to say thank you.
Don't hang up on me because I'm going to keep
talking to you for a second, but i'm going to
stop recording. And thanks for joining me today. And everybody
remember like and subscribe and we'll hear from who knows
next week who knows.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
All right, we'll see you guys,
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