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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Politicians getting murdered, parades going on in the nation's capital,
protests going on all across the country. And meanwhile there's
still an NBA Finals going on, and Ice Q with
his basketball league ain't going anywhere either.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
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I got a lot of stuff to get.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Into, and of course I'm gonna get to the NBA
Finals a little bit later on and tell you who's
gonna win Game five tonight, because this series is unfolding
and it's turning out to be a doozy, make no
mistake about that. But there's more serious issues to get
into before I get into any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So let's get started in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Where there were two shootings, both of which appeared to
have been politically motivated by a man arrested late last night.
Officials said the gunman, posing as a police offer fatally
shot State Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband's Saturday at
their home.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
That shooting came.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
After he wounded State Senator John Hoffman and his wife
at their home. After the first attack, police said they
proactively checked on Representative Hortman's home, where they found a
shooter posing as an.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Officer before he fled.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
The suspect, Vance Bolter is his name, was arrested Sunday
after what a local police chief called the.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Largest man hunt in state's history.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Bolter is charged with two counts each of second degree
murder and second degree attempted murder, which are likely to
be upgraded at first degree. Boltter is also being charged
in federal court with one count of stalking Representative Hortman,
one count of stalking Senator Hoffman, two counts of murder
through use of a firearm punishable up to death by

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the way, and two counts of firearms offenses for the
shootings of the Hoffman's The shootings happened Saturday, in what
turned out to be a tense day in national politics.
Thousands of people across the country participated in No King's
protest against the Trump administration. All this while the president
himself hosted a military parade celebrating two hundred and fifty

(03:17):
years of the Army in Washington, d C. Couple of
things to get out of the way. Number One, my
condolences are to love the ones of the Hortman's. Obviously,
that as a tragedy and unspeakable tragedy, something none of
us should condone. We should cheer, we should celebrate in

(03:38):
any way. It's heinous as it comes. As far as
I'm concerned, if this is indeed the assailant, the one
who committed this crime, mister Boltter, I have no problem
with him receiving the death penalty whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Let's get that out of the way first.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm a believer in that under special circumstances, this is
one of them, he should be put to death. As
far as I'm concerned, I have no problem with that.
That's number one.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Number Two, obviously to the Hoffman's.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I hope that they end up recovering and they'll be well,
as they'll end up well and they'll recuperate as well.
So my heart goes out to them and what they've
had to endure and experience, and the violence and the rhetoric.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
This is not isolated along party lines.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Both sides of the political eye has engaged in rhetoric
I'm not gonna say stirring or inciting violence, but certainly
the rhetoric has been harsh. And this is what I
try to tell people in America all the time and
beyond when we're talking.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
About these issues.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I cover sports for a living as my day job.
Ladies and gentlemen, people get passionate about sports. If people
get passionate about a game where folks win and folks lose,
even when they're not gambling on it, they're not losing
money on it, They're just emotionally invested in their particular
team and the outcome. What do you think they feel

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about the economy if it detrimentally affects them.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
What do you think they're thinking.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
About representatives when it involves immigration, when it involves healthcare,
what it involves education. You're talking about people's lives, quality
of life being impacted by elected officials. This is why
I continuously point out how the rhetoric has to die down.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
We got to agree to disagree.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
We can disagree without being so disagreeable, without engaging in
a kind of incendiary rhetoric where we're constantly pointing a
figure at one side or another, showing an inability to
work together or at least giving that impression and then
wondering how stuff like this could happen.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
According to the police, and according.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
To the reports, mister Boulter had a manifesto in a
vehicle that he was driving by the way, which was
disguised as a police vehicle, and he had on a
police outfit, according to the reports, And they said in
a manifesto he had targeted over seventy people.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Some were politicians, some were pro abortion advocates. So you
have to take those things into consideration.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And wonder, in God's name, what do you think is
going to happen if you're talking about people like that
and you're pointing a finger of blaming and you're not
giving the impression. We're discussing when negotiating, we're getting along.
Everybody can't have everything that they want, but we're aligned
in some of our thinking. Half the time they agreeing
with one another on both sides of the hole. They

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don't even tell us. And then you wonder how you
have some people on the fringes, particularly the extremists, and
what they're going to do. What are the things that
somebody pointed out and they pointed this out, and I
had to remember this. One person text me. They said,

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did you see the expression on a god's face when
they caught him talking about Bolter? They said, did you
see the facial expression on the guy who shot up.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
The embassy weeks ago?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Did you see the god's face who shot up the healthcare?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Who shot the healthcare ceo Luigi? When they caught him,
They said, did you see how extremists looks? Stephen A calm?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Calm?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
So we have to fight extremism. We have to fight
stuff on the fringes, on both sides of the aisle.
We have to make sure that there's a line that
everybody knows should never be crossed. Yes, it's happened throughout history.
President Reagan got shot, Abraham Lincoln got shot. Folks in
between got shot.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
We got that part.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Steve kaliz representative, he got shot, all of these things.
The former representative of Arizona, she got shot. The point
is not normalizing, it, not walking around like it's okay
now as it pertains to what's been going on in

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the streets of America. We're talking about Trump and the
Trump administration celebrating two hundred.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
And fifty years of the Army.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Perfectly within his right to do so, But let's be real,
it was a bit over the top.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Showing America's might.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
In America's strength, well, if we know we have it,
why do we need to show off. We're considered the
richest most powerful country in the world, right, everybody know,
everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Our military might. Why do we need to showcase it?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
And why did it have to coincide on the seventy
ninth birthday of the forty seventh President of the United States?
Was it about our nation or was it about him?
No matter how much he tried to say it wasn't.
The flip side to it, however, is that on a
day when that parade was taking place, there were thousands
upon thousands of protesters across the United States of America,

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New York, LA, and every place in between.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
And it was supposed to be in Minnesota until.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
The police was asking folks not to attend because the
shooter was still on the loose.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
And what were they protesting? Ice and migrants.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Being grabbed in the streets by members of ICE in
an effort to ultimately deport them, and.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Folks were coming to the defense of it.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
You had the state of California suing the Trump administration.
You have people talking about no kings, no kings. He's
not a dictator. This is not an authoritarian regime. But
that's why he's trying to make it like, well, really,
that's why the state's suing him. That's why he's losing
some of these cases in court. Last time I check.
You're in a position of power, you try to get

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your way, somebody sues you. They fend you off by
going through our court system. The court system makes it ruling,
and as a result, it shows that our system works.
What is Trump doing differently than what he campaigned doing.
May not like it. That's why you win the election.
So he's not in a position to do it as
opposed to focusing on stuff that ain't gonna win an election.

(10:19):
And then I talk to some folks on that side
of the aisle, and these are the kind of messages
that I'm getting. It's the Democrats only way to be relevant.
They have no answers to help Americans. They don't go
over the top four American criminals. Our prisons are full
of people separated.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
From their families.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
They didn't say anything about those folks. Most of the
leaders of the protest are paid agitators. You get into
d Iran is rarely conflict something else that the United
States can end up in the middle of because Israel
ain't playing games. They're going after all of their enemies.

(10:57):
They're not playing games. We already seen what they've done
in Gaza. We know how they're trying to disarm Iran's
ability to build a nuclear.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Weapon, and they're hell been on doing so.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
We know that we were in negotiations with Iran and
ultimately we scaled that back, and then all of a
sudden Israel attacks.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now you've got.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Officials from Iran saying there's no reason to have talks
because there's no way that America didn't know about this
and that this was coming, etc. With all of that
going on, then you have folks on the right saying,
what's new. Destroying Iran's and military nuclear sites is a
good thing. We'll also destroy destroy Hesbalah and hamas isis

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as well, being that they were funded by Iran. So
every time you sit there you throw something in their direction,
the other side has something to say no matter which
way you slice it. In the end, America is in
a quadary. At some point in time, gonna have to
come together. You don't have to like everything about Trump.

(12:04):
I don't like what he's doing in California. I don't
like what he's doing with the migrants. I don't like
it at all. And I don't and I think that
he caught himself because he mandated a pause on the
raids when it came to agriculture, hotels, restaurants, et cetera.
Because those business were being detrimentally affected, and he's gonna

(12:26):
need those folks supporting him, particularly in the midterms. So
you can make sure the GLP members remember it remaining
in the House, in the Senate. But in the end,
what it comes down to is that is he overstepping
his hand. Probably so, But to the right, he's doing
what he campaigned on, so in their eyes, he's keeping
his word. They don't mind that because they don't believe

(12:47):
politicians on the left have done that. No matter which
way you slice it, it's an absolute mess. We got
Israel and Iran going at it over two hundred and
fifty missiles being dropped on one another. We still got

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the conflict with Hamas and the Gaza in the Gaza Strip.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
We still see that going on. We got a terriff
situation here.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
You know what folks are gonna say, right, the right
terrors ten trillion in investments for manufacturing in orto pharmaceuticals
and semiconductors, That's what they're gonna say. They're gonna say,
already a new threat about to be finished for our lifetime.
Save us from a modern day holocaust, That's what they're
gonna say. Whatever point the left is gonna have, the

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right is gonna have a counterpoint to justify anything that
Trump is doing. Where's the solution? Can't see one in sight.
Here's the biggest problem. Piece is not a part of
this equation. Even within our own borders. We're at each
other's throat, no sight of coming together in sight. It's

(13:59):
pretty bad right now, and it looks to be getting worse.
This looks to be getting worse. We'll see what happens.
We'll see what happens coming up. Don't look now.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
But Season eight of the Big Three tipped off this
weekend with some fireworks.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I've got ice Cube in the house to talk about
that and other things as well. But first, the Minnesota shootings,
no King's protests, and the President celebrates two hundred and
fifty years of the Army on his birthday this weekend.
I can only think of one person to talk about
all of this and break stuff into.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Some kind of perspective.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Somebody that knows the president pretty well. I'm talking about
the one and only Bill O Rolly. He's up next
right here on the Stephnise Smith Show. Don't go away,
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picks for Game five tonight. First up, well, and you
Nemhard score more or less than ten and.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
A half points. I'm gonna go with more.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I think the opportunity is gonna be there for him
to put up some points. I don't think ten and
a half points is a lot for this particular player.
I think he could do that. I think he will.
I'm gonna go with more on this one. Next up,
will Miles Turner score more or less than thirteen.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
And a half points? I'm gonna go with less.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
The other day, Miles Turner made it in packed defensively
and what have you. But offensively, he looked a bit hesitant.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
He looked a bit.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Scared to try to make things happen. He's not looking
to be aggressive. And I don't know if you fix
that in game five when you just struggle with it
in gave four to the NBA Finals. Might be a
little bit too late for that. I'm gonna go with
less for this on Miles Turn in this particular game on.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
The road in Oka, see for game five.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Next up with chet Holmgren scored more or less than
fifteen and a half points. I think he's gonna score less.
I think he's gonna blog shots. I think he's gonna rebound.
I think he's gonna make his presence felt. But I
don't think he's gonna be on the offensive.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Side of the ball. I think Indiana will be ready
for that.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think guys like Jalen Williams and Caruso and others
are gonna have to step up. I don't think you
can rely on Cheded Holmgren to score more than fifteen
and a half points. When a brother's shooting nine percent
from three point range, I'm sorry, I can't give him that. Finally, well,
Alex Caruso scored more or less than ten and a
half points. I'm gonna go with more because Alex Caruso.
I gotta tell y'all something. If it wasn't for Shae

(16:53):
Gilgess Alexander performing the way that he did, if Oklahoma
would have win these finals, the MVP would be a
toss up between Jalen Williams and Alex Caruso because Alex
Caruso's play on both sides of the ball has been very,
very impressive. One minute he's scoring twenty, another minute he's
hit threes. Another minute he's guarding Pascal Siakam, another minute
he's guarding somebody like a Tyrese Haliburton and somebody else.

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The brother's all over the place, and he's the one
reliable component coming off of Indiana's bench.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Everybody else has been a bit haphazard.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
You don't know what you're gonna get from them from
game to game. That is not the case with Caruso.
He has been missed, a reliable got a lot of
love for Caruso on what we've been seeing him do,
so I'm gonna go with more on that. So that's
more for Andrew Nemhart, less for Miles Turner, Okay, less
for Cheded Holmgren, and more for Alex Caruso. So that's
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Speaker 2 (17:49):
Check it in. Welcome back to Steven A. Smith Show.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Joining me now is a conservative political commentator, actually a
registered independent. He's also a best selling author and obviously
an elite television personality. He's been around a long time.
He knows what the hell is going on. He is
the one and only mister Bill O'Reilly, Welcome back to
the Stephen A. Smith Show. Sir, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
How's everything you know?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't know why I'm doing this, but everything else
is fine.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
What do you mean you don't know why you're doing this?
I mean you're you're on with your young buddy right here.
That's why you're doing this, Bill, because I had to
have you on the show because I wonder what the
hell is going on? Man, I got we got parades
in the nation's capital while protests are going on all.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Over the country.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
These No King protest that's been taking place all over
the United States of America opposing what Donald Trump is doing.
In your words, Bill O'Reilly, could you explain to everybody
what the hell is going on with the Trump.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Administration in America right now?

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yes, I can't, Stephen A. And that's why you're having
me on for clarity of thought? Okay, so on Bill
O'Reilly dot com. I write a message every day. Everybody
can read it. You don't have to join up. All
you have to do is want a perspective. Eighty million
people voted for Donald Trump's seventy five million voted for

(19:15):
Kamala Harris. I submit to you that about half of
the Harris supporter is voted against Trump. They loathe him,
and therefore the no King demonstrations we're no surprise to
any of us who understand how much fury there is
on the left that Donald Trumps president. Doesn't matter what

(19:38):
he does. Could be immigration, could be Iran, could be Medicaid,
doesn't matter. So when a mass demonstration is called for,
you're going to get a pretty good turnout.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
This was low in my estimation.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Across the country. The two hundred They say two thousand protests,
but there are really two hundred of note and there
weren't that many people. But I wasn't surprised because the
immigration is lighted a fuse that the left is just
crazed about. So the no King stuff was predictable, didn't

(20:17):
really amount too much. Now, the military thing was not
well attended.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
But again that's predictable. It's Washington, d C.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Three percent of voters in the district voted for Trump
three percent, So yeah, they're not going to come out
and wave at him on his birthday and say, yeah,
we like all the tanks. So most of this stuff,
it's whipped up by the media in the hysteria, but
it's predictable.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
And I get where you're coming from that it's predictable.
But in the same breath, don't you find yourself wishing
I don't want to act like optics of everything. But
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
You know, You've got a situation where you have.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
This parade going on to celebrating the two hundred fifty
anniversary of the army and what have you. It coincides
with his seventy ninth birthday, and it's in the midst
of these riots taking place across.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
The United States of America. In one way, you're looking
at it and you're saying, Okay, it appears to be
much ado about nothing. It's just typical people who are
against him and against his policies, against the administration. They're
going to protest.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
On the other hand, it seems like he's feeding it
as a distractionary measure because of some of the other
things that aren't necessarily working. Whether it's the tariffs in
some people's eyes, whether it's some of this stuff going
on with Ice in Los Angeles and beyond, whether it's
the war Ukraine with Russia, Israel and Iran right now,
Israel and a mos before, some of the things that

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he thought would work that he swore he would resolve.
That's not necessarily what the American people are seeing right now. Bill,
What do you say to that that this is basically
an evasive or distractionary tactic.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Half of the.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Present about it, I see it that way. It's celebratory.
Trump wants to celebrate his position, and.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
So he uses his power to do that.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
The one thing that Trump has calculated that it's obvious
and still vexing him is Ukraine. So he said on
day one, I'll solve it, and it would have happened
if I were president. Well, that's proved very, very difficult
for him. But on all the other fronts, he believes
the tariffs are going to heighten the economy. The initial

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numbers are good for Trump on that the Magabase supports
the deportations. Although I have suggested that the Homeland Security
opparatus have a fail safe, if you will, or a mechanism,
that mechanism is probably better work to examine humane situations.

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So if you're swept up and you're not a criminal migrant,
you're involved with a raid and they take you into custody,
there should be a mechanism so that your situation would
be examined by Homeland Security. Say you have three kids
at home, all of whom are American citizens, but you're not.

(23:17):
That would be under humane so they would let you
out and not deport you. If Trump would do that,
that would take a lot.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Of the sting out of it.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
But you know, look, all I can do is suggest
patterns of behavior that would be beneficial to the country,
and I do. Whether he does them or not, that's
up to him.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
How much does he listen to you these days? Bill O'Reilly?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I mean listen when we did the you know, when
we did our town hall on News Nation, Chris Cuomo,
myself and you. There's no doubt that President Trump would
not have called in if it were not for you.
I've reported that on many many occasions. We all know
how far your relationship goes back with them spanning thirty
plus years, and I know that you would. Just recently,
China asked you to come and see them and talk

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to them, and I'd like you to elaborate and enlighten
my audience as to why that was.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
But clearly they feel and rightfully.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So, that you have the ability, more so than most,
to impact the thought process. Dare I say even the
actions of the president from Tom to Todd because of
his respect and this long time relationship with you, how
much do you think he listens to you or anybody
else in this day and age.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Well, I think he trusts me because I'll never burn him.
So if it's off the record, it's off the record.
I talked to him frequently. I never call him. That's
an intrusion. I'm a journalist, that's.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Not my job. But when he.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Gets in touch with me, I'm obviously respectful, as I
was to Barack Obama, who did that as well.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Not as much as Trump, but he did. George W.
Bush did, And.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
I answer honestly so on the China situation, I was
invited over there because they watch the Politburo watches me
on YouTube exactly what we're doing now.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
The Chinese people can't see you too, by the way.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
They knock it out for but they watch and as
you rightly assess, they know that I speak with Donald
Trump a lot, so they wanted to know about him.
And it was an off the record conversation. But I
did tell the Pola Buro there were thirteen of them
in the Q and A in Beijing, I'm gonna have

(25:39):
to debrief the president when I get back, so I'm
always up front, I like you.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I mean, I'm up front.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
And they said, okay, you know, I said, I can't
come over there and do a Q and A with
you for now or in forty five minutes and not
tell the President of the United States what it was about.
You know, come on, I'll be deported myself. They'll deport
me back to Ireland. So I got it, and I did,
and then three days later there was a phone call
with she So I could take credit for that, but

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I'm not going to. But I think that my conversation
with the Chinese communists was beneficial.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
So I calmed them down in certain.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Areas, and I illuminated the President's thinking process and others.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
So after the hour.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Forty five minutes, they had a much better understanding of
where Donald Trump is coming from. The second thing is
we had dinner afterward, my son, myself, the man who
put this together in Beijing, the richest man in China,
and his assistant who was only supposed to be four
but we were joined by the second most powerful man

(26:50):
in the country for dinner, which was an amazing experience.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I'll tell you what. My son's sitting there.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
He's twenty one years old and he's listening to the
highest level of diplomacy there could possibly be in the
biggest story in the world.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
China USA relations.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Is the biggest story in the world by far, because
if that doesn't work out, there's going to be beast trouble.
If it does work out, if they follow my guidelines
to a partnership for peace and prosperity, that's why I
went over there to tell them what that was about,
then the world will calm down and everyone will be

(27:27):
better off. So there's my son, twenty one political science major,
listening to his father at thirteen of the politic Memory.
You can imagine that it's like being in nick locker
room at halftime, I guess.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
But anyway.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Look, I love my country. I try to do it's
best as far as I see it. And I was
stunned by this whole thing. I didn't solicit this.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
It came to me absolutely, And I know you tell
them the truth about that shoot. I consider you an
honest broker, regardless of how people try to attack you
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You've always been a trade shoot with me.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I've seen you talking to politicians on both sides of
the isle, right in front of my face, getting on
both of them like hell and fury for crowd out loud.
So I've had an eyewitness account to that. But let
me get back to you before I get back to
the States. You said that when you were in China,
you talked about your guidelines to peace and prosperity between
themselves and the United States of America. Would you mind

(28:29):
sharing with this audience what those guidelines were, some of
those guidelines that you go down to them.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
So the past six months have been working on a
policy call the Partnership for Peace and Prosperity between the
United States of America and China. And essentially what it
says is that the two greatest powers in the world
are going to ally together to tamp down chaos and

(28:55):
misbehavior all over the world. So we're gonna ally now,
we're never going to agree with them about communism.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
And it's a police state.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
It's the most polic sophisticated police state in the history
of mankind. It makes the Nazi regime look like benevolent people.
That's how tight the Chinese communists are on their one
point five billion people. Americans have no idea. You got
to carry an ID card every second of your life

(29:28):
in China. If you don't, you're in prison, if somebody
stops you, and there are cops on every corner. And
as for your idea, you're a Chinese citizen and you
don't have it gone it is really unbelievable. So anyway,
the Peace and Partnership Prosperity thing says that we're going

(29:50):
to work it out. As far as trade will help
China feed their one point five billion, they'll help us
in our economy, and then we will hamp down crazy
stuff like the Malas in Iran. So if China and
the United States ally against the Mulas, they can't do anything.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Same thing with Putin.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
If China were to say, hey, lad get out of there,
or we're going to start to fund the Ukrainian government
as well.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
A lot of it have to get out of there now.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
It's a matter of self interest, I understand, but I
laid out a pretty solid case and I said, if
that partnership comes, you're going to get a lot of benefit.
The Chinese government will get a lot of economic benefit
from it. So I'm hoping they consider it.

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Speaker 2 (31:41):
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Speaker 1 (31:50):
Though I know China and US relations is a huge,
huge deal, no question about that, some of the immediate
issues going on in this country obviously can't be ignored.
The particular moment in time you saw, and you've saw that.
You've been all over the news about the political shooting
that took place this weekend. Fance Bolter was arrested as
the suspected shooter of former Democratic House Speaker Melissa Hortman

(32:13):
and her husband. He also critically wounded Senator John Hoffman
and his wife, both out of Minnesota. Of course, he
was captured late Sunday following a two day man hunt.
Following the killing, Republican Utah Senator Mike Lee tweeted quote
this is what happens when Marxists don't get their way.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
End quote. So Bill O.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Raley, I ask you concerned at all that civility in
America is going.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
You've been around a long time. You would know they
answered to that question your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, you keep saying I've been around a long time.
It only goes back to us. Grant there, steven A. So,
come on, foolish, foolish comment by Senator Lee, who's.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Not a He's not a dumb man. He never should
have made that comment.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
I've had political assassinations in this country forever, and so
is every other country. And these are mentally unstable people
that do it, all of them. You can trace every
one of them back, and they're all loans. And that's
what happened here. So to assign a Marxism to it,
or a fascism to it, it's irresponsible. I don't traffic

(33:24):
in that. I traffic in history. Never going to stop it.
It's impossible in a free society. Even in China, as
crazy as they control those people, you couldn't stop it.
If somebody wanted to kill you and was stalking you,
the odds are they be able to get to you?
If you weren't putin or she we have unbelievable security,

(33:47):
So there's nothing other than lamenting the situation. There's no
solution to the situation. You're always going to have mentally
on stable people who are violent and that's that. And
you know, if I had a solution, I would put
it forth, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Does it the rhetoric amongst politicians going back and forth,
Although you're right, history has shown us these kind of
things happen. There's always folks on the fringes. There's always
extremism that takes place within every nation. This is not
going to be any different, doesn't some of the rhetoric
on a part of politicians or both sides of the isle.

(34:29):
One could easily argue that contributes to some of this Bill.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
John James Garfield was assassinated, and he was he's still
bomb thrower.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
You know, McKinley assassinated.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
In our polarized society with an irresponsible media, grossly irresponsible media,
it's easier to incite, but I don't think it's easier
to incite to murder, right homicide and with us. I
wrote a book and it'll be out September ninth, called

(35:06):
confronting evil homicide. Have been with it since Cain and
Abel in the Bible. I mean, it's just their part
of mankind.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I don't attribute.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I don't say, look, if we're all nicer to each other,
or do we have less violence? I don't believe that
to be true.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
So with that being said, I mean, I guess I'm
looking at it and I'm seeing these no King protests?
Do you think that that's legitimate? Is it much ado
about nothing? Are the folks on the left just using
this as an opportunity to play soil loser because they
lost the election to Trump and that's what this is about.
Or do you think the arguments on a part of
the left with the No Kings protest and beyond, do

(35:48):
you think there's some legitimacy to that based on what
we've seen from the Trump administration since he's been back
in North January twenty.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
First, I think that protests are legitimate, and I applaud
honest Americans who want to protest things they don't like.
I think descent is a very important part of our
success in America. But I always go to this, all right,
So you don't like the ice rays, because that's what

(36:16):
this was really all about.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
It's no kings thing. So what's Plan B.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
You're down with the buy and open border, you support that,
So what do you have? What's your plan to supervise
fourteen million foreign nationals, ten percent of whom are violent?
Because ten percent of every group is violent, So what's
your plan to supervise these people?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Then you get you.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Know, it's okay to protest, but you've got to have
something to fill the vacuum if you want to be
taken seriously, right, But aren't.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
You concerned when he talks about immigrants or migrants and
you murderers, rapists, this stuff like that, as if giving
the impression that that's who he's targeting. When news came
out just the other day that he pulled he pulled
he put a pause on raids involving the agriculture, uh, hotels, restaurants,
et cetera, because obviously it was affecting those businesses. Don't

(37:19):
you get concerned about him or the administration putting out
that kind of rhetoric, sort of castigating folks in that fashion.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Well, look, you can, you can overdo the rhetoric. But
he got elected on it. So, you know, people were
tired of seeing innocent UH Americans murdered by Venezuelans and
El Salvadorans and whatever. So Trump said, I'm going to
clean it up, and that's why I won. That's exactly

(37:49):
why he won. So now he's trying to clean it up.
But as I said, he should have a you know,
an apparatus to examine people who aren't in that category
who get swept up in it. So, look, I want
social order in this country, and I assure you do too.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
You can't have, yes, I do.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
You can't have fourteen million foreign nationals run around unsupervised.
And that's exactly what the Democrats supported, exactly. We don't
want to stop anybody. We don't want to supervise them.
Anybody asked for asylum. Oh yeah, five years. We'll see
you down the road. Maybe you show up, maybe you don't,
but we don't really care whether you do or not. Hey,

(38:33):
that's the height of irresponsibility. We're paying for that for
the next twenty years. And I mean that Biden open
border was the worst policy decision in history by a
sitting president, the worst because it caused so much damage.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Why do you think Biden made that decision. And the
reason I asked that question Bill O.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Raley.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
It might be a rhetorical question, might be a bit old,
but I'm thinking about how President Obama was called the
deporter in chief because he had deported at the time
even more people than Trump had deported.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Biden was his vice president.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
How do you ultimately become the president four years after
Obama has left office and you implement a policy that
was the complete, completely antithetical to anything that Obama stood for.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
That made no sense to me. Do you have an
answer to that question?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
I do.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
I don't think Biden was in control of his faculties
ever in his four years. I think he was diminished
when he walked in he took the inaugural oath. I
think his far left cadre who surrounded him in the
White House, led by Ron Klaine, put a bunch of
paper in front of him and he signed it and
didn't know what he was doing or the unintended consequences

(39:50):
that would stem from it. Look, I'll give you a
really vivid example of Joe Biden. This man, for his
entire career used his Catholicism as a campaign item. You
remember that right, Yes, Joe goes to mass, Joe receives communion.

(40:16):
Joe's a good Catholic, Irish Catholic from Scranton, Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
While his president he comes out.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
To support abortion without any limits, what so ever? No
limits the Hillary Clinton position, okay, the most extreme position
on abortion you could take.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Joe Biden takes it and promotes it.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
A good Catholic is excommunicated by doing that. However, there
wasn't one Catholic bishop or the pope okay, who suggested
the excommunication route for Biden because they were afraid to
do it. One bishop in Virginia denied him communion.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Now, how can a man who professes to be an
Irish Catholic promote unlimited abortion?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Do you have an answer to that question?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I have no answer to that question. Is inexcusable because
it goes against that.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
God know would say.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
That that's the key to analyzing Biden right there. No
one can answer the question because there's no logic, okay,
because he wasn't able mentally to make those kinds of calculations.

(41:50):
In my opinion, and you will see coming forth proof
of how diminished that man was from day one.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
See that's the argument that folks on the right would
say as well.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
And I get that part.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
And then when we look at the left protesting Trump
in this day and age to the right, it will
fall on death is because everybody's quick to look at
the body and administration, the policies they put forth, how
it was supported, whether directly or through one silence on
the left, and as a result, they tried to basically
finego their way through the administration, you know, through his tenure,

(42:27):
and ultimately assist Kamala Harrison taking office. And so when
I see these no Kings protests and everybody complaining about Trump,
that's one way that it's going to be dismissed from
the right, But where it will be embraced by centrists
and folks on the left. Bill Rally, in my opinion,
is that I'm thinking about Iran. With Israel, you have
people thinking about that, Yeah, we can end their new

(42:50):
program and as a result, they won't be a nuclear
threat and we don't have to worry about a holocaust.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Down the line at least on that end. Okay, that's
what that's a plus.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
They're talking about the terroriffs, they're saying, you got pledges
but where's the real production. What has really really happened
with that regard You talked about the war with Ukraine
and Russia that hasn't been resolved. There's still hostages with
a massa, and folks are alluding to genocide taking place
in a gaza stripped because of net and Yahoo and

(43:17):
some of the actions that he has taken to just
completely obliterate a mosque has beligned everybody else in between.
In the end, what it comes down to to me, Bill,
is this, There's so much stuff going on with the
Trump administration that's up in the air. The one finite
thing you can point to is his position on immigration
and the effect it has had, And to me, that

(43:38):
seems to be his calling card. Let everybody lean towards
that because that's a winnable argument in his eyes, where
almost nothing else is to that kind of speculation or skepticism.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
You say, what as it pertains to the Trump administration.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
My thing that announces is a bit harsh.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
So number one, the tariffs and the economy. You've got
to give it a little more time. So next week
will be six months that Trump's been in office. It
seems like six years, I know, but it's only six months,
and to turn the entire industrial economy around in.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
His country kind of take a year or so. But
it's trending in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Particularly if Trump and she can come to an economic deal,
then all.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
The other deals will follow. And Donald Trump knows that. Okay.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
On the guaz afront, Trump has been a dove on that.
He has done everything he can to try to get
Hamas to release the hostages and take the pressure off
so the Israeli army doesn't go in and continue.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
To pound the place.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
But the Hamas people will not do it, So you
can't blame Trump for that. On Ukraine has given Putin
every opportunity to be a human being. Unfortunately, Putin is psychotic.
Putin is on the cover of my upcoming book, Confronting
the Confronting Evil. Okay, he is not a person that

(45:15):
you can deal with rationally. Trump thought he was because
he had four years of Putin not really misbehaving in
his first term. But now, for whatever reason, Putin's out
of control.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Can you get him back under control?

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Maybe, particularly if China would help, But right now that's
a miscalculation. So I think that people who hate Trump,
who say He's failing on every front. Aren't being fair?
Need to let this unfold for a few more months.
In March of twenty six, if the economy is wobbling

(45:52):
and there's unrestled over the world, the Republicans are done
in the midterms.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
They will lose.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Trump knows that last couple of questions.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
So I'll let you get on out of here and
thank you so much for your time, real quick.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Over the course of his presidency, President Trump released cryptocurrency
gold sneakers and watchers, and now he's reportedly releasing the
T one Trump smartphone with an unlimited plan price at
forty seven dollars and forty five cents per month via
AT and T, Verizon and T Mobile in August. That's
being built in the United States. First of all, Bill O'Reilly?

(46:27):
I mean, what do you think about this? And secondly,
are you getting one of these phones? I mean, or
do you have a problem with the president monetizing the office?

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (46:35):
I'm getting three of these phones, giving one to you
for Christmas, one to Cuomo for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
And look, do I approve of this?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Do I understand what's going on? Yes?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
So Jump doesn't have anything to do with the Trump
organizations run by his two.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Sons, Don Junior and Eric.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
They are lloyding the hell of their father's success for
monetary gain. Now, all presidents do it to a certain extent.
The Biden family did it with subterfuge. Remember that we
didn't know what was going on and farign countries were involved.
This is basically, hey, we're famous, my father's powerful, so

(47:26):
you buy our phone.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Now.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Trump he doesn't have anything to do with that because
he had to sign off for all his holdings to
his son. I'm sure when he gets out of office
he'll be back. But there's a private club in DC
and it goes on.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
And on and on.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
But every single president, with the exception of Jimmy Carter
and Ronald Reagan, wasn't too much because when Reagan left
office he was in their throes of dementia. But every
single other president capitalized monetarily on their position. Yeah, might
Barack Obama gets for a speech, do you know how much? No,

(48:06):
three hundred and fifty thousand, three five. He gets more
than you get for a speech, David Ay. I mean,
I'd be outrageouf five were you. But he gets more
than you.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Yet, so.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
That doesn't bother me in the sense.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
That I'm not a bad behavior point to other bad
behavior kind of guy.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
But this is our system.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
We're capitalists here and the Trump people are exploiting their game.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Last question, You know, Donald Trump is unapologetic about playing
to his base.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
People will be quick to say he's doing what he
promised he would do, et cetera. Do you think that's.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Gonna be enough for the GOP to win the midterms?
And do you think that's enough for the GOP to
win the election in twenty twenty eight if he continues
on the path that he is going on or does
there need to be some alterations in your as far
you can see.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Well, if you base it on history, which I always do,
the economy will tell who's going to win the midterms. So,
as I said, the economy is rolling along next spring,
Republicans will do very well because that it's everything to
the American people. They are nervous, Lots of them don't

(49:25):
have any money. They need the economy to be robust
and will that far and away. You know, I say
China USA is the biggest story in the world than
it is, but for our electoral situation, the economy dominates.
So Trump is a dice roller. He doesn't play it safe.

(49:48):
He's going. He wants to be one of the greatest presidents.
He wants to be on Mount Rushmore. He can't be
on Mount Rushmore to buy his own mountain and put
his face up there.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
But he wants to be one of the greatest.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
And he always because I wrote Confronting the presidenc he's
always there.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Where am I now? Where am I now? I go?
It's still incomplete. Mister president.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
You had a good first term, and he did, but
now a lot of turbulence. He goes, guy, it's gonna
work out, and he believes it will work out perfectly.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
He believes it.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
There's no insecurity on his part. Okay, whether it will
or not, of course, no one knows, but God.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
The one and only.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Bill O'Reilly appreciates you, my man, as always, Thank you
so much for your time. Bill O'Reilly dot com best
selling author of political commentator Extraordinary. I always appreciate the education,
my man.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Thank you so much. Man, I talked to you sooner.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Right, all right, good question, stephen A. Thanks for having
me in.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Well, you know the fact that you said it's good
questions makes me feel good inside.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
It really really does. Bill. I know I'm gonna write track.
Thanks a lot, Buddy, I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
You soon, all right, Coming up.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I tubs in the house.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
In the show, we're talking about Season eight of the
Big Three that tipped off this weekend with some fireworks.
But first we'll get into the NBA Finals. This Game
five tips off tonight in Oklahoma City. We'll get into
that and then some right here on the Steven Niatesmithchef
don't go away, Welcome back to Steven Natesmithchhell, let's get
to the NBA Finals, where Game five takes place tonight

(51:22):
in Oklahoma City. The Thunder manage to tie the series
Friday night off the strength of MVP Shaye Gilgess, Alexander
Shae Butters what I call them, who dropped thirty five
points on the Paces in Indy. Now, the Thunder have
taken home court advantage back. Heading into Game five tonight,
I think the Thunder win the night. But I gotta
tell you something right now, this is a great NBA
Finals series, and I think it's going seven games. I

(51:44):
think Oklahoma's winnings Game five. I think the Pacers go
home and win Game six, and I think we're right
back here in Oklahoma City this Sunday night for Game
seven to win with the championship on the line.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
That's what I think is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I've watched this team, the Oklahoma City Thunder, and as
elite as they are defensively, which they showed in Game four,
by the way, when they held when they went on
a twelve to one run in the last two minutes
and fifty eight seconds of regulation. Shay Gilges Alexander had
to end up saving the day because this brother is
something special and he brings it to the table, make
no mistake about it.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
But it took that because.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Offensively they're not what you would expect an elite team
to be. As the game Wan's OKC struggles.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
That's a big problem. They struggled offensively.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I also think that coach Dagnault made a huge mistake
to start this NBA Finals series. They won sixty eight
games during the regular season, they won twelve games in
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
They came into the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
With a record of eighty and eighteen this year, including
the playoffs. And you alter your starting lineup before a
game is played. Why why to me psychologically that kind
of warped Isaiah Hartenstein and compromised Cheded Holgrin to a degree.
Ched Holgern a nine percent from three point range. That
ain't gonna cut it all right, He's not playing awful

(53:04):
in other aspects, but he can't buy a three right now.
So that's problematic for them. So we have to look
at it from that standpoint and say, what the hell
is that about? So we got to take that into consideration.
Then we got to look at a guy like Jalen Williams,
who's one of only two NBA players this year, him
and Evan Mobley of the Cleveland Cavaliers who made an
All NBA team and made an All NBA defensive team.

(53:26):
Only two players did that this year. Jalen Williams was
one of them. So the brother can play. We know
he's getting to the hole and he's handling his business
in that regard, but when it comes to shooting three points,
he's shooting for twenty one percent. That ain't gonna cut
it either. This is why Shay Gilgers Alexander has to
come to the rescue. The most reliable weapon for Shae
Gilgers Alexander throughout these playoffs has been Alex Caruso coming

(53:47):
off the bench. Nobody else has been reliable or trustworthy.
And even though lou Daughter's shooting the ball effectively is
when it's open threes, when he's contested and you run
him off the three point line, he's not doing much
for you Offensively, Defensively, collective he brings it. They bring it,
no doubt, but offensively they struggle. And Indiana can score
offensively because you've got Halli Burton, You've got them hard,

(54:09):
You've got Niece Smith, Miles Turner is struggling.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Pascal Siakam's not. You look at Pascal Siakam along with
those three dudes that I mentioned, along with an Obie
top and coming off the bench, a Benedict Matherrin coming
off the bench, even though Beneman matherm dropped twenty seven
in Game three. Then turns around in Game four in
the last closing minutes, mississ is three or four free
throws and commits a foul off the Paul and the
n's bounds play basically given OKC five points. So you

(54:37):
look at it from that standpoint, Indiana can score, but
they're prone to making mistakes.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I think on the.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Road in OKC four Game five, knowing that you don't
need to go back to Indiana down three to two,
I think OKAC handles their business and they win tonight
in Game five.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
They go back Thursday to.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Indy for Game six, where I think Indy should win
that game, and then we come back here for Game seven.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
The Thunder six and OH and the Paces are five
and oh after a loss.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
This entire postseason, none of them have lost two games
in a row, and I think that's gonna remain the
case in this series as well. We got a big
time NBA Finals. I know it's two small markets OKCE
in Indiana, but I gotta tell you, in terms of thrills,
you couldn't ask for much better than.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
What these teams. That both these teams have given you.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I'm picking o ok SEE to win Game five tonight.
Let me transition since we're on the subject of basketball,
I gotta get to my next guests.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Because he is a multi.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Hyphen it legendary rapper, actor and producer of some of
our favorite films, an entrepreneurial, a founding member of the
iconic rap collective NWA, and of course, the co founder
of the Big Three Basketball League. We know him, we
love him. You know who I'm talking about, the one
to know the ice cubes in the house, My brother,

(55:58):
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Welcome the show?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
All good man, good to be here.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Thank you man, Please my pleasure. Now am I reading
this correctly? Season eight of the Big Three tips off.
The tipped off this weekend.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Bro Season eight, he's an eight. You know, it's been
it's been a nice long ride, but it's been a
great ride. And you know, season eight that means, you know,
the people really love the style of play, and they
rewarding us with, you know, a little longevity here. So
we're gonna keep it going.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Express to everybody what your vision was when you first
started this league and whether or not you believe that
vision has become reality.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
You know, I go back to what I said in
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, if this league I wanted to
last one hundred years, you know, like like the NFL
or the NBA, you know, was just going on a hunting.
So yeah, I wanted to be here.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (56:58):
You know, we got this style play Three on three
has always been part of basketball. It's never really got
to shine, and now it's starting to shine and people
seeing it's a great style of play. You know, Mono,
we mono. You know, you got to be able to pass, dribble, shoot,
and defend to have success. And it's a great game.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
You know, when you think about what the Big Three,
I mean, listen, I got to tell you, I'm proud
of I'm proud of what you've done to the league
with the league.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I'm proud of the opportunities you've given cats.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
You know that obviously some of that retired from the
NBA and stuff like that, but they still got skills.
They just ain't trying to run up and down a
quarter full ninety four feet for eighty two nights a year,
that kind of thing. But when I think about this
league and what you've done for so many people, what
are the kind of things these players are telling you
the Big Three has done for them.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
You know, one thing we never counted on was how
much this league would help mental health of our heroes
on the court, getting them back in the arena where
they belong. These guys have honed their skills, you know,
as long as you have you know, doing your art
and just think you know, somebody can walk up one
day and tell you it's over just because of what

(58:12):
you know. They don't have room for you, you know
what I mean. It's like, yo, these guys still want
to play at the highest level. They go overseas, but
they want to be at home. They want to play
in those arenas that they used to play, and they
want to play in front of you know, American crowds,
their friends, their family, they bring their kids to the game.

(58:32):
So never thought, you know, we'd be helping players mental
health as much as we are when it comes to,
you know, what they can achieve on the basketball court.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I'm seeing former NBA players that's a part of the
league right now. And I'm told former NBA champions Dwight
Howard and Lance Stevenson were ejected from Saturday season open
up between Miami and Los Angeles. That's built into the
media box. What the hell is that about? I mean,
they think you got cats getting fighting with all of
that right now?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
What's that about? How you feel about that ice que
hey man?

Speaker 5 (59:04):
You know, it's part of the game. Like, you know,
they ready to play. You know, they they're passionate. They
not just out there because you know, they're getting, you know,
crazy money. They out there because they love a game,
and this is what the fans want to see. As
far as the passion, now, we don't condone the fighting.
You know, we let you trash talk a little. We

(59:25):
don't want players touching each other, you know what I mean.
We want players to you know, kind of watch their language,
you know a little bit on TV. But we want
the passion. And you know, it happened. It's filled over
in our first game between two rookies. This is their
first game and the Big Three, and welcome to the
Big Three.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
The Big Three, which is on CBS.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
By the way, for everybody that's watching the debut with
eight all new franchises, tell me about them. I'm looking
at Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Miami.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I mean, talk to me about that eight new teams.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
Yeah. Well, you know, we decided to plan ourselves in
cities before we were kind of a you know, barnstorming league,
not connected to any cities. We wanted to create Big
Three fans and fans of the style of the game.
And now that we have that, it's time to plant
our flags and cities. We opening up a real big

(01:00:27):
fandom when it comes to that. So it's unlocking a
lot of eyes onto the Big Three and a lot
of interest. You know, when you got your city pride
to add to you know, your you know, expectations of
the game. It it just takes us to another level.
So we got eight, Now we want to go to twelve.

(01:00:49):
We want to go to you know, sixteen twenty. You know,
we don't have a team in New York yet, so
you know, Steven that you might want to put a
put some you know, put the team together, you know,
grab that New York squad, so you never know, I
have to, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Might have to, I might have to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
You can't have you can't have a basketball league and
no team in New York. We definitely got to talk
about that, make no mistake about it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
But but I want to know this QBE.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
You know when you came in, when you started this,
since its inception, what's been the biggest challenge for you
that you've encountered and try to help this league grow?

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
You know, it's it's been challenging in different ways. You know.
We we really thought we were gonna get more love
from the sports media having the names that we have
involved with this league. Uh You've always you know, been
able to you know, shine light on the league with
your platform, which I appreciated from day one. You know.

(01:01:48):
But you know a lot of sports media looks over
the league and it's a shame because in the dog
days of summer, you know, for who fans you know,
this is right to me. You know, a league that
is by sized. You know, we got ten weeks and
we crowned champion and then you know, we get to

(01:02:09):
the NFL. So it's pretty pretty cool for the summer.
So I just wish the sports media get with the program.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I totally agree with you that I certainly could do
more and I am gonna do more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
But I'll tell you else. I think the players could
do more as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I'm not talking about playing because I know they bring
what they bring, but I'm talking about talking about the
Big three when you're looking forward to it. I just
saw Dwight Howard the other day. He about to be
inducted into the Hall of Fame. He didn't mention the
Big Three. It would have been nice, and he mentioned that.
You see what I'm saying stuff like that, just letting
cats know, Yo, this ain't the only kind of basketball
is going on. We got some skills that we still
want to showcase as well, So I think a lot

(01:02:45):
of the players.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Can do the same. It's a collective effort. To media.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
You do, you're the one person that you're the one
reliable commodity with the Big Three from the standpoint, you always, always,
always are promoting this league. And I think the players
they got a lot to say with their podcat cast
and all of that stuff, they could do a lot
more as well.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Would you say that we would love that. You know,
some players do you know, use their platform to hype
up the Big Three, but we would love for the
players to do more that. You know, why the players
love the league is that we don't put you know,
too many you know, like ain't doing them like that.
You know, they want if they want to do it,

(01:03:22):
it's got to be out the love of their heart.
We're not going to require them to do that. We're
not going to require them to talk to the media.
You know, they got to do it out the love
of the game, and they didn't have wanting to have
something to say to the world. So you know, I
don't think we're gonna change that. You know, of course,
We would love for them to talk about it twenty
four seven, but at the end of the day, it's

(01:03:45):
wrong men and stuff to them on what they want
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
One of the things that you've done with this league,
it's become more than just sport, to touch as culture,
music community, all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Was that always your.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
Intention, always, you know, I thought, you know, music, culture
and sports is like you know, peanut butter and jelly
with the milk, you know what I mean, it all
go together, it's perfect. So that's always been you know,
our philosophy. We had Jim Jones come out rock the
house today. I mean, you know, on Saturday doing Game one,

(01:04:20):
we're gonna have bad Face out and uh out there
in Baltimore. So you know, we plan on bringing the
best entertaining the people with basketball, music culture. You know,
we got break dancers out there from Monster Energy, we
got DJ dancers, dunkers, everything you can name at the
Big Three. So it's you know, it's a carnival, you know,

(01:04:42):
it's it's a lot of fun at the events.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
You've also talked about ownership involving you know, our ownership
opportunities for these players, and I know equity is has
always been important with the Big Three and and how
different is that, you know from other leagues in your
estimation in terms of ownership.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Opportunities for these players. Explain that to the audience.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Well, you know, a lot of our day one players
who helped start the league have an ownership in the league,
which is amazing. And you know, once the league is
you know, profitable, we'll be able to start cashing them
out and that'd be a great thing. You know, at
the end of the day, it's really about you know,
people putting groups together. Teams are very reasonable right now,

(01:05:27):
you know, at the end of the day, compared to
other pro teams, you know, and so that's gonna change
very rapidly as teams will start to get purchased, you
know what I mean. We got four owners now looking
for four more, and then we're gonna expand the league.
So it's going to continue to go up. So we

(01:05:48):
we want some of the players you know, who want
ownership in the league like this to come forward, like
I said, put groups together on some of these franchises
and think about you know, their gnerational wealth. We think
we got him here with the Big Three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Big Three's embraced innovation like the special all red fireball,
five ball three rules, a four point shot, a fourteen
second shot clock, and to bring the five challenge where
teams can contest a foul call with an in game
one on one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
How does that enhanced the game and estimation?

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Well, you know, if you look at three on three,
if you saw the Olympics, it feels, you know, amateur
that you really put it frankly, But at the end
of the day, the Big Three, we professional league. We
wanted to have our wrinkles that helped our game. We
wanted to have things that you couldn't see nowhere else

(01:06:42):
in a pro basketball game, like our four point shot,
like our bring the fire rule, one shot free throws.
You know, seeing a guy shoot a free throw from
the three point line and or the four point circles
pretty unique. These little wrinkles have made our game fun
to play and fun to watch, and that's always competitive.

(01:07:06):
You know, these rules are not just because we are
thinking of you know, gimmicks. These rules are built to
help you win the game. And we saw some great
comebacks this weekend team down at least eleven and the
other team had forty nine and then they come back
and win the game. So it is designed perfectly for

(01:07:29):
this game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
One of the last questions I got for you on
the Big Three man Big Three head coach of Basketball
Legend Nancy Leeberman is the first woman to become a
head coach of a men's professional team.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
As Powers head coach, she led the team to the
title in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Have you considered expanding the league to include more women athletes?

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
You know, we offered Caitlyn Clark, you know, a shout
at our league last year and it didn't work out.
You know, we thought she could probably have a Billy
Jean King moment, and we thought she could maybe have
success in our league because you know, small guards have

(01:08:11):
had some success in the league, like you know, like
a du Roof and Nate Robinson, you know, not comparing them,
but at the end of the day, we thought, you know,
more than a bigger player, you know, she could maybe
get loose. So it didn't happen. You know, the player
captain's pick who who they want to be in the league.

(01:08:32):
We've got owners now you never know what's gonna happen.
So if a player captain pick a woman to be
on her his team. Then she's in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Over the week was this past weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
How long does this league last this particular summer?

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
When's the end day? When's the championship game?

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Championship? August twenty fourth, ten weeks season? We got one
buy you know, so you know, count us down, check
us out every weekend. You know, we got games either
Saturday or Sunday, CBS and Vice TV, and hey, you
know what I mean. And come if we're in your town,

(01:09:13):
come check it out because you gotta see seven foot
is play through on three is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Well, I'm coming, I'm coming. I'm gonna sit with you.
You're gonna have a seat for me right next to you.
That's what I'm talking about. I mean, damn, it's a
courtside seat. It's are hard to come by every damn place.
But it better not be with ce. If I'm in
the house, I better have a seat waiting for me
right next to you. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I mean, last time I'll sit with you in LL
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
Yeah, no problem, man, you always got to see. If
my wife don't come, you you right there. If she did,
you got to see.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Now I'll go for I can't come before the wife.
I can't come before the white man. What you been
doing with yourself?

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
How much of your time is being taken up by this?
Because I mean, you're an actor, you obviously a musician.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
You know, you be doing your thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
And I gotta admit you, I haven't even seen you
to say this to you, my dad feelings when you
set up there saying to the Yankees when you you know,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
When you told them about it, I hurt my feelings. Killed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
I hurt my feelings because you know, I'm a Yankee
fan and I knew they were in trouble. And then
they came with with with with with Fat Joe. I'm like, yo,
I love him for the Knicks, but the Yankees nice
stepped out of pocket. They I was like, nah, I
ain't cute, and they gonna work.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
I was depressed, man. You know, at the end of
the day, you know, I had a fun I'm a
big Dodger fan, you know, so I had to do it.
You know, you know, the Yankees done hurt our hearts
so many times. Gang. You know, we got to try
to get ahead some way somehow. So it was great
to be a part of that and you know, it's

(01:10:41):
just just a you know, I'm a busy man, but
I love it. You know, spend eighteen hours a day
on the Big Three. You know, when I commit to something,
I committed a Hunter and templecent. So that's what it's
all about right now for me, it's all Big Three,
you know. Then we'll jump back on the music. I
got a tour coming, the Truth to Power tour in

(01:11:02):
the fall, so right, you can't get rid of me,
Stephen Aink.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I'm just I'm trying to figure that say out. I'm like, damn,
brother music.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Carisk been forty years and he was about to come
out with a new album. And and by the way,
you don't look you don't look forty. So I'm looking
at you like, damn, it's forty years of the music
in the street.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I mean, that's a lot of time. But you don't
look it. Bro, you don't look it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
Hey man, people don't realize. You know, I started as
a real young man. You know, I was fourteen fifteen
years old when I started. You know, wrote my first
hit song at sixteen, you know, a song called Boys
in the Hood for easy Eating Rest in Peace. So
been here, you know, doing it, and it's time to

(01:11:47):
celebrate that. You know, four decades I atted Toude. You
know you gotta catch me when I come to town.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Well, listen, man, I let me not forget this for
my orders. You were recently honored with your handprint ceremony
of the Chinese did the Hollywood Walk of Fame celebrating
your icotic career. Fans, family friends on hand.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
What did that day mean to you?

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Man? That's a movie star status, you know what I mean.
At the end of the day, a lot of people
got stars, not a lot got their hands and feeding
some men in front of the Man's Chinese theater. So
great honor, something you don't expect. When you get the call.
You just feel, you know, gratitudes and attitude for real.

(01:12:32):
You know, you just feel blessed to be in this
position and to have a career that people are recognizing. Uh,
decades later.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Man, is it true that you gotta you know, I'm
hearing these reports that the last Friday films and developments?

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Fans?

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Finally? Uh? You know, we've been okay fighting the play
wait a long time, you know. Thank this new leadership
at New Line and Warner Brothers with Mike de Luca.
You know, now it's time to start putting the pieces together.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
I can never talk to you without giving your son
some love. I saw it then the Thieves two a
few months ago. The brother's doing this thing. Oh Shay Jackson,
I mean, proud, Papa, I'm imagining you really, that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Brother's got talent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
My man, he's got a real, real bright future in Hollywood.
As far as I'm concerned, he can act. I love
what I see from your son. How are you feeling
about what he's doing with himself these days?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Man, he's a better actor than me, you know what
I mean, like amazing range, you know, fully dedicated, and
you know, proud that he's running with him. You know
he's not walking with him. And so you know, all
we can do is parents, I know, Happy Father's Day
to all the father's out there that's really involved in
their kids life, no doubt. And so look to you

(01:13:58):
to really to really you know, being your kids life
and watch them do something. Put them in a place
to win, position to win. You want them to do
what it takes. You know, you know I can only
put you in a position to win, can't play for you.
So you know, he out there doing what he needed
to do to win the game. So you know, I'm

(01:14:18):
proud of Ice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Before I let you get on out of here, man,
forgive me for fearing left and ask you this question.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
You're you're an LA native. You see what's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Going on in the streets of Los Angeles right now
with all these protests because of the Trump administration and
Ice and what they're doing with migrants and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Stuff like that. And you see a lot of people
protesting across.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
The country, but obviously a lot of it is emanating
with the No Kings protests emanating out of the Los Angeles.
What has been your thoughts about it, because you you
you've never been shy about expressing what you believe is
right and what have you. And obviously you know you're
politically conscientious as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Your thoughts about what you've been seeing.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
It's heartbreaking, you know, see the city go up like this,
you know, just to see the city kind of I
mean the government handle it in the way they handling it,
you know, they're they're using a lot of humiliation, you know,
and they're they're you know, being very you know, heavy handed.

(01:15:17):
You know, I understand the laws of the law and
all that, But why you gotta be so heavy handed
with what you're doing so disrespectfully purchase weddings. You know
you're hit these places, man, and you know it's just
I think it could be done in a more respectful way. Man,

(01:15:39):
It's just it's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
I appreciate you, my man. I always appreciate your voice,
appreciate what you're doing. You know I'm always here for you,
my man. You take care of yourself and I look
forward to talking to you and seeing you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
All right, you be good, Take it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
Easy, Take it easy, man, always, anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Always, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
One of the only ice Q right here and Stephen
Nate Smith Shaw My thanks to the one and only
qbe himself. You can catch the Big Three on CBS
and Vice TV. Also The Truth the Power Tour coming
to a city near you very very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
That's it for this edition to the Stephen A. Smith Show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I hope y'all enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed
bringing it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I'll be back in a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Remember, I got an NBA Finals to cover Game five
tonight in Oklahoma City, so make sure you check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Don't miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
I'll be on NBA Countdown on ESPN and ABC tonight
at least an hour before the game, so check me
out there with the crew Kendrick Perkin, Bob Myers, Malika Andrews,
and so on. Make sure you don't miss it until later, y'all.
Stephen they signing off piece of love and talk to
you in a couple of days.

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