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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm trying to get a dose of that. You want
to be a c plus do it? Sometimes you'll decide that, Okay,
maybe if I can't fix my family, let me fix
the world. The external world, the American world, the English
language world is so different from my home world, which
is all Chinese.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, and so I was it just like shattered something
where I was like, oh my god, like, yeah, what
the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
She's like, isn't that what dirty people do? And dirty
bars at night? Guess who controls the flow media? Okay,
I'm the one giving you the line.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's a thing. Yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So my name is Curly and I'm Maya. The Super
Secret Bestie Club Podcast Season four is here, and we're
locked in.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
That means more juicy cheese.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Man, terrible love, advice.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Evils, fels to cast on your ex.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
We're not doing that this season.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Each episode will feature a special best siet and you're
not gonna want to miss it. So what are you
waiting for? Kidding? Here?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Welcome back to another episode of The Super Secret Bestie Class.
Jenny Yang is here.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Jenny Yang is here. I mean, besties, how are your spirits?
How's your spirit? How are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What's new with you?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
It's chaotic?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hu kind of chaotic today, huh?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I mean, I mean it's just in the air. I
don't know where chaos will ever end. You walked into chaos.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
You walked into chaos. You were trying to figure out
what you door to get in.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I actually I think I heard you knocking, like.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Than knocking, and I ran out to.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
The But you know what, guess what, as someone who's
recovering control freak, I'm letting it go.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Let it go. Yeah, are you a control freak?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I mean, you know, just like a when you're like
an immigrant kid, you're out here like hustle culture is
born in you. I know, it's like anxiety courses through
your base. He's got to get I.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Have that with and I've had to grow out of it.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I have it with punctuality where I have to not
take it personally.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yes, because I do.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I agree. No, I agree because it's a thing. Yeah,
it is a thing totally.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Like what are your updates though? What are you any
fun updates?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
My gosh?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, I have like an event tonight, Apple TV
Plus from pomp Royale, which is like, have you seen
that's so.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
To check his d MS will tell him that your
best friend Curly sent him.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Check it right now.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You don't know me, but Curly.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
And then actually I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You can join. But I mean, how.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Here's the question. How is I want I want you
to keep going. But how is it that Ricky Martin
looks embalmed straight up like trying.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
To him, he's what I need because he's fine as fun.
I don't even he can look like a god damn mommy.
He's so fine, he's so his peen well allegedly, but
also to oh, I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Not reading a car for like ten months Ricky Martin.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
However, if when I marry him, because the plan is
to mary him. Remember one day we thought I was
going to marry him.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
One day I was after I, uh, we thought we.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Were gonna wear I thought something was gonna happen, and
you were like, yeah, you're gonna marry him?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yes, because I saw I saw Palm Royal and I
was like, oh my god. I was like, I just
we were just talking about it and he's on the show.
I'm like, it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's going to happen. Who knows. Maybe tonight you'll saw
him check his DMS and it'll just be a thing.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
But but what are your updates? What's going on with you?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Got bit? Bad dog? What happened? No, biggie, I was
just heading to an event in Glendale, go into a
little brewery, approached the corner on the sidewalk, and then
you know, facing me coming the other way, was some
dude on his phone with sunglasses at six thirty pm.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Loosely holding two big dogs with one hand and the
phone and the other and I'm just and immediately we
just like met each other at the corner, like there
was no time to like avoid. Yes, the doggie came
up and bit me, just came up and bit me
and happened so fast. You guys, this is like my
second time getting bit, but this was like the most
traumatizing because the first time it was like a known dog.
(04:16):
This was an unknown dog.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, anyway, I figured it out. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay, so you have I mean, maybe I got shots.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I got antibiotics. We're good, We're good, we're healing. Okay,
there's a part of me that wants vengeance because this guy,
because this guy who looks like a TMU bad bunny
mm hmm, okay, straight up gave me the wrong information
means for zero accountability. And you know, I'm all about
love and justice.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Together absolutely one hundred. Did we find them?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, But you know, if I get if I get
the right energy, this guy probably lives like nearby, so
I'm gonna probably flyer the area with his photo just
be like beware, and if you know who it is.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
We'll clip this and we'll put that picture about it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I feel like I don't want to put any more
energy into it because I like, don't. I'm like slowly
ramping up to like having a habit of making videos again,
and I like, idam't but I'm not there yet. And
like I made a video just about this dog bite
because I was so concerned that this person was so unaccountable.
Of course, anyway, listen everyone, I know you love dogs.
I'm not trying to be out here, you know, getting
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dogs put down, because that was I'm just more about
accountability for the dog.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That's literally like even if the man would have reached
out and been like, how can I pay for something
else can I do?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, and what happened?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Like, how did he when it happened, Like, was he like,
oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He immediately was trying to walk away and was just
like you're okay, You're okay, You're okay. It was like
a straight up gaslighting moment. I'm scream crying. I like
literally unzip my pants just so I could show my
upper thigh to be like I am bleeding.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It was not cute.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is this like normal for your life?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
By the way, beause there certain things that would be like,
oh my god, this is totally on brand for me.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
No, I'm super I don't know what it is like
I feel very fortunate. Yeah, I don't tell stories about
unfortunate things and internalize it. Yeah, like do you know
what I'm saying, Like, that's not but this is not
on brand for me?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, definitely people should he out to your page for
more information.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I know, just Glendell Atwater Villain.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Absolutely, And again, this isn't about the dog. This is
about the ability of the owner. I love dogs, which,
by the way, I also am an owner of those
type of dogs.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I have two and they're very gentle and very sweet
and we are. We don't. We're never on our phones
when we walk them.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You have to know that we're very on high alert.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Because they'll be reactive.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Absolutely, and also to like, you know, the way that
I trained my first one was that I had you know,
and this also people can get upset by it, but
I had a choke chain on it, and it was
because now I need immediate power over it in case
of anything. And he never used most gentle dog, both
of them, the most gentle dogs.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
So it's not it's never a breed thing. No, it's
it's an owner. It's a human thing.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Listen, we're just out here trying to be in the streets.
I'm not going to show up events. I'm trying to
like socialize, Okay, So I can't have dogs out of here.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Biden, you know exactly. We need both thighs and actions,
do you know. But let's let's introduce our audience to you.
Oh yeah, all right, today we have Jenny Yang and
by the way, let me know if I get anything wrong.
By the way, Oh but Taiwanese American comedian, writer and
actor known for blending sharp, sharp social commentary with heartfelt humor.
(07:32):
Fun fact about you is Jenny worked as a labor organizer,
a background that gives her stand up its signature mix of.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Activism, empathy, and death. Both careers both and I wrote
notes for me. Both careers sound intense to me if
I'm wanted to.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I mean, yes, being funny and trying to fix the
world is a lot of a lot of uh, kind
of like acts of service, right, like bitch, I gotta
save your life and make you laugh, you know what
I mean? Named one of Variety's Ten Comics to Watch,
Jenny written for television and appeared in shows like Netflix,
The Brother's Son. She's also the creator and host of
Self Help Me, a live comedy competition that pokes fun
(08:08):
at our obsession with self improvement. I also have questions
about the podcast, I mean about the competition as well. Yes,
and you host the podcast What should we talk about? Yeah?
Where you get people to open up about your their
lives in a funny and honest way and surprisingly deep ways.
Oh my god, A little bit of research, you know,
but I'm trying to figure out are you married or
(08:28):
do you have are you in a relationship? Okay, because
I wrote it in my notes that I was like,
I think I noticed you talking to somebody behind the camera,
like a partner, but I wasn't sure if it was
like already like legal, like a legal document, or it
was just like somebody you've lived with with.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I mean, I call it my husband. We don't need
to talk about reality.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Okay. I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But now, thank you for thank you for.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I mean, thank you for your work. Thank you for
your work.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's such a great, beautiful intro. I can't, I can't,
I mean the whole.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Oh good, I love that. I mean the whole thing too,
is like you know, we wanted it. I love that
you brought up.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Being the child of an immigrant, because that is something
that's super important for us that we talk about and
for me, like I am first generation, and it's something
that like we have a lot of different anxieties, even
down to my dating life, Like I'm super big on
wanting to be with somebody. I literally am like love Americans,
love American culture. But there's something about either being an
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immigrant or the child of an immigrant, and you kind
of touched up on it a little bit, like the
anxiety that's inherently in your body.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
It is like, how has that moved you? How is
that like informed who you are?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I mean, listen, I myself am an immigrant, so I
was born in Taiwan, and I just know that, Like
as I've gotten older, I'm like, oh, this is not normal.
And I share this with a lot of other immigrants.
There's so much stress and anxiety with like going to
a new country, you.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Know, literally a new city.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Or even a new city exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So I can't imagine like going to a whole ass
country totally.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And especially and I know this is very relatable for
some people when you're when you're younger and your parents
English is not as good. That means that like at
an early age you have to become the translator and
become more independent.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
That's a lot of responsibilities, it really is.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, And so I really do believe that, Like I
went from politics to art and comedy and storytelling because
I was like, I got some shit to work out,
but I want to do in an artful way. I
want to do it in a way that connects people
because I needed to move from I believe a lot
of us have like survival skills that we develop as
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children that oftentimes we can get jobs for so like me,
very good in an agenda, very good at project planning,
because I.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Know how to.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Pull shit together is such a skill, like an A
type comedian argue an.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
A type comedian. That's crazy, very rare.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
But I believe we all know each other, all the
A type comedians. I'll connect.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
We almost had to fight on air because I was like,
I'm B plus and you were like, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Not I was saying, he's he's like a spy.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Really, I don't think I see it. I think to
plus it, I think so to me, like I care.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
About stuff, and I'm super like, no, I need to
be this Like I'll be like I hate that.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
That's ugly. I don't like it. Make it better. Yeah,
But I'm also just like if that's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And that's the way it is, and I'm like, we
got to fight to make this different, like get angry
with me.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
So I'll look at this pillow or let's do some
I don't know if this is gonna be on camera,
but I'll look at this pillow and be like, Okay,
I love the texture.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I understand what you're doing it, but I.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Noticed that it pills a lot, So what are we
what are we thinking about? And if you're like that's
the only fabric that's available, I'm like, well that's the
only fabrily that's available.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And get me another pillow.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I reality, I have my own, yes.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
So I'm very just, but you know it makes for
a great life. My booty hole is like, I.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Know, that's what I'm saying. This is the thing I've
realized is that, like, you know, I'm not gonna go
with the flow person. I'm trying to be more of
a go with the floor.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Don't tell me you're signing, but we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Get necessarily a go with the flow person because I
do like things to be a certain way. I like
to have good experiences, fulfilling experiences. I like things to
be done well you know. But like, I'm learning to
be more go with the flow. But I realize you
can't just live and let live, especially when you have
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influence over whoever you know, and you got to tell
people be like I'm tired of going with like you
being to go with the flow usually because who guess
who controls the flow. I'm the one giving you the
that's me, and so it's like the people who plan brunch,
the people who like figure out the itinerary for the vacation.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Do you think I like to do it?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
No? You think I Like you're good at it, so
of course naturally you're the first person people be like,
figure out this check thing.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Here's the thing I'm It's not so much that I
put the work on her where I'm like you need
to do or any of my A type people. It's
not that it's like am I am involved and you're
like I'm like a B ball player like okay, yeah,
I'll drive us, I'll do this.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
What are we gonna do? Like I'm down.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
My thing is just kind of like it's okay if
it didn't work out the way that you thought it
was going to work out, it's okay to like I'm
more worried about like your nerve system, your nervous system,
your blood, Like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I'm fine, but guess what helps my nervous system having
a plan going.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But the thing is is like I've had to on
that conversation, I've had to be like this is actually
stressing me out, And what I needed to work on
was vocalizing that yes and being like whatever they say
is going to be what they're going to say, and
then you're just gonna have to adjust and allow them
to show up.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
How do y'all feel about like the let them thing?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, no, I think it's about like you're saying, communicating.
So like if someone's like, oh, this is how it is,
but you have questions, speak up, maybe doing in assertive way?
Does it have to be accusatory? I just have questions
because this is what I need to feel more certain
about what's happening or more comfortable with what we're doing together.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And I'm concerned why you're you don't care as much and.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You don't care, So that's the thing. It's the emotional
labor of it. You don't care. I don't who's gonna
assign you the task of driving? Do you know what
I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Because it like okay, Like give me an example of
like most recent if you can think on to about.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This recently, I was like, you know what I need.
I need to just be out, so let me go
to a Love Is Blind reunion or whatever Love is
Blind watch party. This is before the finale, and so
I was like, I researched it. I was like I'm
gonna go by myself. It's fine, you know. And then
last minute I just throw it out to the group
chat and then my friend was like, oh come, my
friend loves to be go with the flow, and I
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get that, and I was accepting that I didn't need
her to be organizing it because I initiated it. Yeah,
(15:06):
but I am definitely the one who will be like, okay,
I showed up. The parking is like this, here's here's
some types. I get there super early because I'm chill.
I'm like working on my little little like notes, doing
my work while I'm at the bar and I'm looking
at the happy hour. I will call you if you're
running late to make sure we get your order in
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before the happy hour. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But it's also like, why wouldn't I do that? Why
would I just let time pass me by?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So you sound like you're super considerate.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I try to be considerate, and.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
So maybe when it's not reciprocated, that's where.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
You get I feel so like unloved.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So that's what it is. It becomes personal.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But then it can be personal. But but you know,
I try to depersonalize it by communication.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, because of like you're my best best friend and
not talking a lot of stuff about us, Like if
you're my best best best friend and you know this
about me and you know that's my love language and
how I like to receive love and you don't do that,
or you make it a little more chaotic and make
me do all the work, Like that's going to make
me feel some type of way just.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
In general.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
No, I get it. But that's the thing too. It's
that sometimes who we are, it's a vibe. It's just
like our energy. Just like tell people it's cool for
me to step back because Maya's got it. Yeah, yeah,
you know, And I love that. It's like a double
edged sword, right because on the one hand, I work
to have this persona I put good effort into you
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being like she is an a student, you know because
I was. I was a hard working a student. But
that bleeds into your personal life. Just like what he's
saying is this, like what you might do well professionally
or for work, like being an a student might not
help you in being a fulfilling, fulfilled, yeah person in
your personal life. So so like recently I have my
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birthday's coming up at some point, but this is a
way early. This is I got way early surprise birthdate.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, okay, like way early.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Oh no, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I saw I got way early surprise birthday. And so
that's already gonna eliminate this current, you know, whatever, whatever
you figured out. But it's because I I kind of
asked for it, but I was truly surprised. They were
very they were very good at hiding it because it's
so early. Yeah, and I had told my partner, Okay,
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I've never been thrown a surprise birthday party or a
surprise party. I'm always the one planning, you know. That's
how I show my love all this stuff. It would
be so nice to go with the flow. And so
in addition to that, he had started to plan these
full day dates where I don't know what's happening and
he just takes me, which to me is like, oh exactly.
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And so what he did was it was like the
second time that he was like, we're gonna have a date,
and I'm like, okay, so I just like let myself
not know what's going to happen, and so he like
led us through the day and then it ended with surprise,
So I totally didn't suspect because I was already in
the mode of like going with the flow.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, so that was.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Like, that's like, you know, that's like me listening to
Inner Child Jenny.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, being like like relaxed, like let yourself receive and
crazy the opportunity in space to be love and have
other people show up for you.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I've never had a surprise birthday party before.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
It's it's out in the world.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Now tell her why because.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I always planned like a month in advance.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
No, it is a month long celebration.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Okay, so maybe the expectation could be one event, one event.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
One of the events be surprised. A girl celebrate life parties,
A girl wants to celebrate life, like I thought you
would be like, oh my god, I love to celebrate.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yourself, Like I don't.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I actually don't like anything birthday related for myself. I
get very overwhelmed. So every year I actually I tell people,
I lie, like, we didn't do anything this year for
my birthday, Like we just like but it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I like you as a best friend to be like, Okay,
I need to navigate, like do you want to do something?
Do you want to meet a plan the entire thing,
get other people and just like surize you.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And he's like no. But then it was like because
I was also like I had plans too on that weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And so I was like, are you sure you don't
want to do anything? I can just keep it all open,
like let me know, no, I for sure I'm not
going to do anything. I'm just going to go into
hermit mode, which is another for yourself love, like letting
him go into her mouth.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And then it was like the day before it was
that weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And you're like, oh, so and so wants to have
a dinner, and I was like, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Just last minute, but very last Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
You know what, I really love for my birthday And
this is why, because it's kind of hard what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh give any cricket.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
It's very like, okay, my birthday, let's say's on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I'm not doing anything. Literally, at two pm, I will text.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
You We're all gonna have dinner at We're gonna have
dinner somewhere at six if you can come.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
If you can't, that's okay. Like I just get very overwhelmed.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
So I'm not like a planner for birthday stuff, right,
But I think that in terms of we were talking
about before, like caring and like showing up, Like I
feel like that's such a sweet thing for your partner
to do for you, like to do this sweet birthday thing.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But like I think for me.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
For example, the other day, somebody said to me they
were upset with something and they were like, oh, sorry,
it's like it's not a big deal, It's okay. And
I was like, no, I apologize that you're upset by it,
but I don't care, Like I'm just like I've already
moved on, Like I don't know. And this is what
we talked about, is my toxic trade. Like I'm a
human being. I have a hard time like staying on
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something long enough other people to process because I'm reready over.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
It, right Like actually.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh you're right, No, that's that's similar to my to my.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Partner, you know what I mean, Like it's already like
you're late, Okay, you're late whatever, I'm mad about it.
It's fine, I'm upset, it's fine. Yeah, So yeah, why
am I dwelling? So like I just have a hard
time like staying there. Like I had one ex boyfriend
who was upset about something. He got invited to this thing.
He didn't know it was a birthday party. He didn't
have a chance to get her a gift, and then
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he was upset that he was going to handle soup
empty handed.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, and I was like, who.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Cares the time that it's in the mail, Like yeah,
MYX boyfriend David like, we're gonna get Let's get her
a guest card on the way to get there. Here
a guesting card who gets a ship? Like here, you
go have your birthday bitch. Like he was like not
having it.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
He was so upset, and he was like, you're doing
that thing where like you're not letting.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Me be upset about it, validating it's invalid, like you
know your but.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I'm like, we're gonna die. Do you know the world dies?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, He'll be like I want to love you for
the rest of my life, Like I don't really care.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Are worried about this? No, totally I get that though.
I feel like what I like about my my relationship
with my guy, I think in terms of enneagram, not astrology,
So like slightly similar to my guy Corey. He's very
like in the moment guy like he's like a night owl.
He used to work in night life. He's very like
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love's pleasure and like just but he also moves on quickly.
You know. He'll just be like, Okay, I was upset,
but we talked about it. It's good. Yeah. And then
sometimes I'll be like, no, I gotta I gotta do
ye know, and so yeah, but that's your toxic trait.
But it sounds like you're aware.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
But you just love it. To be honest, I'm like,
we can talk about it, we can process together.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And I'm like the opposite where I'm reactive, so I
will like.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know, well yoused to do and then explore.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean, well what do you? What do you say?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Like when I get mad about something, you'll see but
you're both you do both.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
You'll tell you you'll tell people right away and then
or you'll want tell and you'll like let it out later.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
But it's a good balance to like learn from each other,
like Okay, I can move on.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, And you're generally so happy, like I'm a happy person.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah whatever it's I'm like, maybe I love that. I'm
trying to get a dose of that. I want to
be a c plus do it. Okay, I'm tired. I
want to be a I was a C plus I
am tired. Okay, what you said your C plus interesting?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, occasual as I was very late diagnosed dyslexic.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
That makes there's so many factors. School is not a
true indicator.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I do want to ask you that because you do.
Do you think that that also plays into your your
wanting to be an activist, like wanting to be in
the world, like not being content with how the world is,
but wanting to do something about it.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, you know that's the that's the curse of being
like you know that whole first daughter, Yeah, this daughter,
this course. Yes, I am like, yes, yes, we need
to talk about that because when you at such a
young age. I was five when I came to move
to Los Angeles, get so much responsibility in your bones,
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Like truly, I internalized it. No one needed to like
crack the way, you know. I just was like, all right,
this is my job. I'm trying to get a's here.
I need to listen to teachers at five years old. Yes,
I need to translate at the doctor's office for my mom.
When was the last time you and dad had sex?
You know what I'm saying, but like, yeah, like when
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you do that, what's your question again?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
No, like, how did you, like, how did that energy
move into being an activist? Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, so when you early on get asked to be
so responsible, you have to be out here making things
happen for the family. You're talking to the manager, all right,
little mini Karen, you grew up with that sense. Immigrant Karen,
you got to get trained. You know, like this is
not the right this is not the right charge on
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this grocery built, you know whatever. So you know what
it taught me was that I need to have an
impact in the external world. The external world, the American world,
the English language world is so different from my home world,
which is all all in Chinese. My mom was a
garment worker. My dad somehow got us to America with
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some English proficiency, but my English was still better than
his at age seven, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah,
I think because of that, and also because like I
think I was just so precocious, Like when you're so
young too, I feel like you just have to figure it.
When you move to new environments, you quickly have to
figure things out, right. I feel like it like forces
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your brain with a placicity to you know, be super observant.
You have to adapt, and so for me, I had
to reflect so much. I'm like, why is my family
the way it is? Okay? And then when I got
to college, I finally had language to describe it. I
was like, Oh, my dad is super patriarchal. He's a
little dominant and dominant. Why is it that my mom
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doesn't feel like she has high self esteem? Why does
she not get paid? Why does she have lower education?
Like all I had all I finally in college had
language to describe it, So that to me was like, oh, especially,
And the way I put it is this, I realized
I had problems at home in my family that I
could not fix. And so when that happens and you
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realize that there are policies or systems or politics that
actually affect the problems your family experienced, sometimes you'll decide that, Okay,
maybe if I can't fix my family, let me fix
the world.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You know that is like I remember, that was a
conversation I had when I did one of my fellowships.
I mean, I had gotten this fellowship that paid for
my grad school to go into politics and public affairs.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Why you're a college girl.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I was very Yeah, I was very like I was
supposed to be a politician. Yeah. And so it was
my junior year I did this program. It was the
summer program. It was a bunch of like students of
color activists. We all got like full right scholarships grad school,
and we were just like sitting there late night. And
that was one of the realizations where I like, why
do we care so much?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Why are we so like this? And it was like, yeah, No,
if I can't fix my family, maybe I could fix
the world.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yes, of course, Like if you can't fix like maybe
what's here in the center, maybe if you fix what's
outside of it, it'll somehow heal the inside exactly and
kind of like maybe make create a ripple effect for
other communities to have to go through what maybe you
went through with your family. Yeah, but it's interesting because
I'm still seeing the same energy, like the same energy
kind of show up in different places for you. How
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so you mean and I think in the thing of
the control, right, so you're like wanting to change things or.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Urge you have to have an audacity to be like, no,
I believe things can be the right way and I
know what that is, yes, Like that's that's like, that's
like a sense of confidence and audacity. I was going
to see that you need to like truly, it's like,
well that's how it allowed me to become a comedian.
Like why this is this is a sickness, Like I
don't think you understand. This is not like something.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's not for you. How do you go from like,
let me change the world.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
And I'm sure you're making people laugh at doing your
presentations and while you're talking that, you go, let me
try getting on a stage.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, so I did about you. But prior to any
diversity booms in entertainment, any kid who is not white,
the only thing you could have done was go into
theater or poetry. Maybe gay guy.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
The thing for us back in the day was like
you should get to fashion.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Amka, I'm like right, okay, it was okay at both right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And so it's like if you're like a little student
of color activist, at least listen we are ageless. But
I am of a certain age where you know, social
media wasn't like a thing to be like that's a career.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Oh no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Completely no no, it was like I have I looked
up to people who are like so cool, so talented,
someone like Dlo. I don't know if you know who.
Dilo is, an incredible transman who is Tomas Sri Lankan
who I looked up to because he was a storyteller.
He was a poet, and he ended up going into
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like doing a lot of theater shows around the country. Grants,
nonprofit you know, foundations would find his work, and at
some point when I decided to be a comedian, he
dovetailed because he had so many skill sets. He was like,
I want to do stand up. So we toured together.
But like that was the kind of person I looked
up to, And so in college I discovered that I
could perform poetry. And then in la I actually in
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my twenties I was like known as a poet, which
is weird. But then I didn't like, I didn't accept
the identity of poet because I was like, I work
in politics. I'm gonna go whatever, you know. So it
wasn't until I had like a little aha moment, like
these people at the labor Union are stressing me the
fuck out. I do not look up to them anymore.
I need to move on life a short yolo.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah, absolutely also to that speaks to the beauty of
life by the way that like, I think I've had
this thing where I have been a fashion designer.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I was like I think I'm want.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
To be in music, and I had all these like
iterations of just being alive and like that's so dope
that like, yeah, a poet activate.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But it's all there's like there's kind of a through
line when you think about it, probably for you.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Right, don't you think, oh one hundred. I mean, I
don't know how you feel or do you feel like
you have a through line with like what you've seen
in your own life.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I think it was a lot of validation, like trying
to be validated, and then something happened recently like this
year where I was like, oh my god, I've been
chasing unavailable people.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Who hate their lives to like to validate me.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I don't like that. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
My whole Yeah, that was my whole thing. Is to
make sure that they I was doing right by them
and that they loved me and you were just like
living my thea is basically fashion in me, it was
like the whole thing of my musical comedy show. Was
that I found out in a group text that they
like compared me to miss Piggy, which is like you know,
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as Piggy as an icon, but like to them, yes,
it was yeah, and like yeah, all this other stuff
like calling me a bitch and saying I can choke
on a bag of wieners, We're very like like not,
I didn't do anything basically, and so I was it
just like shattered something where I was like, oh my god, like, yeah,
what the fuck am I doing? Like what am I
basing all this shit off of to get validated by
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other people? Like why is it not enough for me
to validate myself? Why is that you know, stamp of
approval not enough for me? Like why does it always
have to be eating? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah, I think you. You actually gave me one of
my favorite life lessons. Maya will say like, that's not
my reality. So like different people will come with her,
come to her with these things of what's happening, and
she's like, love you, but that's not my reality. And
so I learned that, you know, as I've gotten older
that even with my own family, I think that when
you come from my family, came over from Al Salvador.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
They didn't have a lot of money. They came over
during a time.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Of like war, civil war exactly, and so like they
have different fears and different anxieties. So a lot of
times my own mother will kind of put that on me,
and I took a little a little bit of Maya's
lesson and brought it for myself, where I was like,
your fears are not my reality. And so I think
that's been like my my through line. My through line
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I think in terms of what I do is like
I think that I'm a thinker and I'm somebody that
By the way, I just I was reading a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I love that you said you were speaking Chinese, right,
that's what you said earlier.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, I speak Chinese a little.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Oh. I love that.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
I literally was diving. Okay, So I'm going to take
you on a little thing. We went to Sinestpia to
watch the craft.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yes, have you seen the craft?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I have? Okay, So in the craft have you seen
the craft? It?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
And in the craft they talk about their version of
God and the spirit and they call it Mano, and
Mano is a completely like fictional character. But I always
the way that I picture God. They say in this
in the movie Manon is if God and the Devil
are playing football, Manor is the field. There's the stadium
that they're in. It's the sun that shines on them.
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It's the grass that grows on the field. Manon is bigger.
And that is how I view God. And so I
tended to Google and I was like, Hey, what true
deity is like this, and it's it was like, oh,
Daoism is like this, and so I started to like
kind of dive into like what Daoism is.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And I also think I've had a past life in China, so.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I like really feel like, gasp, I think my dad
was my son in this life in that life.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
But also like are you Chinese?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Well, oh my god, it's crazy you said that.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Because okay, yeah. I feel like what I do to
everyone is I'll look at their face and just like
straight up I will assume people who don't look obviously
Asian will be yes, they have some Asian in them,
especially if like in the end it might be they're
from the Caribbean or it's like they have some kind
of like native like native indigenous.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, So I'm like I'll be like, yeah, native American,
but my my lineage it's Chinese is one of the
oldest ones.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I think of me too, pretty accurate, but I will
sometimes err on the side of like assuming someone I'm.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
So honored, I'm so honored me. Yeah, yes, I'm like, yes, absolutely,
But I think that my so my through line has
been kind of like wanting to.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Like live in that energy of what I now know
is maybe talism, just the energy of like the balance,
by the way, which is why to bring it back
to the needing to control things. Yes, in what I
was reading last truly last night was just learning about it.
It's just it's less about control and more about like,
are you in motion with the fluidity of the energy
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and flow with the understanding that if things aren't where
you would like them to be, it's just a minor
swing and that it will always find its balance.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, And it's so like.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
But I love it so much because I'm like, oh,
that's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
I did see this one thing one of the lessons yesterday,
and I brought it up with my conversation with John
tel in the morning today. Was it was saying that
if you're in relationship, the good and the bad person.
You are the bad person's lesson. The good person is
the bad person's lesson, but the bad person is the
good person's task. And so I thought like that kind
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of puts so much responsibility on the good person. But
basically what it's saying is like you're going to learn
from each other either way. So everything in life is
meant to teach you.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
And then if you have too many tasks, get that
back in balance. That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to
lower my task.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
All right, this is a task for you right now,
So sorry for adding another task.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
No, no, no, no, this is great. It's like this is
how I'm seeing things like, so this has been a
whole process. I'm like, I need to balance, yes.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Because it's honestly like also in women, like the more
stress causes more like we're prone to cancering. Absolutely astramic
management stress number one priority for everything. Like I had
like a pain in my stomach today right here.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
It was like a sharp pain. I was like, my
brother's like, did you drink water?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I was like, my mom's like, why don't you meditate?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
You've been stressed out. I'm like thank you, But.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I was just like, oh, I feel so held by, like,
you know, my family in that way where they can
notice that, like you need to like chill breaks.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
You know. Welcome to the astrology portion of the podcast.
We're going to try to guess. I feel like it
might be scorpio.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Wait, can I ask what your no?
Speaker 5 (37:07):
No, no, I want to I how do your parents
feel about your career?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
When I told my parents I was going to take
comedy seriously, we were eating at a soup plantation. Sorry
for the name, but it's a southern California classic uh
slash sweet tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yes, it's.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
They reopened one, I think anyway, Oh you can eat
salad buffe. Anyway, I was like we're eating and I
was like, mom, Dad, so remember comedy. Yeah. So I'm like,
I quit my job and I'm going to like do that.
And they were kind of quiet. They're like chewing. I was,
and then my mom's like here, try this broccoli to
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Dad didn't even react, and then I had to be like, no,
so what do you think?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Like?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I was like, give me a reaction, and they're just
like okay, and then my dad's like, oh sounds good.
My dad's like older, so he was just like sounds good,
and then my mom was like, you could tell she
was like pondering. And then finally it's like, isn't comedy
And the way I say it in Chinese is like
telling jokes. She's like, isn't that what dirty people do?
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And dirty bars at night?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
It's not just that dirty people do it dirty bars.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, dirty people, dirty people telling dirty jokes at dirty bars.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I love that so much.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
It is okay, So then my guess would be damn okay, Well,
can I ask you, like, how do you resolve conflict?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I'm trying to be better about being assertive for sure, Okay.
I sometimes avoid water sign.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, we already know, right.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I don't know it could be I think it could
be cancer or Scorpio Scorpio.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'm not answering yet because you still have your pondering face.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
You three kind of I need to check my I
don't think.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
You're an Earth sign because you do feel like you
have a lot of emotions with you, and you do
feel like I you might take things like to the heart,
you know, like pretty deep.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
So I think I'm with you on the water sign
Scorpio there.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I feel like you have to have Virgo or Capricorn
in your chart at like somewhere.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I'm gonna I'm going to say that you're water and
Earth probably like we're saying the same thing.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I think, what what is your what are your what's
your sign?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Scorpio?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
What's your birthday? November seven?
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Oh my gosh?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, like, well the other ones?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You do?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
You knew, but I didn't really know the other ones.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
No, liar, which one the other ones that you always
get though, that's crazy?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
She knew.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well, you also said it was an early birthday.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I actually am not that into astrology or really know it.
But like I'm friends with Channy Nicholas, who's amazing friends,
and I will trust I know, and I will trust her.
So when when I was doing Self help Me, which
for two years every month, oh my god, I had
an astrology theme for Self help Me, and she was
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that we always have an expert guest for the theme.
So she was an incredible expert guest and she did
the full reading of my chart on stage because my
because what I didn't understand is not a super astrology person.
Was why every time I would tell people with Scorpio.
They would react like gasp, and I'm like, what, how
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can you be prejudiced against?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
What did she say?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I was like, why are you judging?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And so she was just like yeah. So the theme
of the show was whyre Scorpio's the worst? Okay and
so and then so she was like there trying to
like explain, like Jenny, it's not the worst. And then
she was like, actually, it's so scorpio of you just
assume like people were attacking.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I'm so damn well, that is very Scorpio Scorpio scorpios.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Okay, great, yeah, I see that's why I have to
look at the chart or else. I don't know. Aries
Rising yes, actually, I mean you didn't say that Sunday Scorpio,
my son in Scorpio moon and Aquarius air. I have
a lot of Scorpio and then Venus in Scorpio.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Wow, I did not see the air and you.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Here's I'm an Aries, I'm a double Aries.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
The thing I always like, I will always just like
totally underestimate Aries that I'm like, I'm like, what's the drive, Yes,
the Scorpio and you is the drive for sure. But
like there's an extra punch that you have, and it's.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Your aries rising as.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Risings are like they I mean, so you should always
consider your rising as well like your son. Your rising
is probably like not the most important, but it's as
important as like your son's sign.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Great the scorpio and is probably where all the death
comes from, like all like the deep thoughts and the carriage.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And then my Aquarius is the humanitarian part.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Also to the Aquarius to me is like probably why
you're like, I'm going to give it all up to
be a comedian.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
That's so that's very air signed to me.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
If you were to be like, babe, I'm gonna quit
and become like a comedian and be like, how are
you sure?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Like I'm very like.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
That's where my Earth sign gets very like what's the
safety net?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, but then it means I planned, like I head
straight up spreadsheets, wow, to prepare for the career.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Change Scorpio energy. I actually don't so, I actually don't
believe that. There's not a lot of signs that I
think are super toxic.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
In my head. It's like the Earth signs Viergo, Capricorn
and tours that to me need a lot of work. Scorpios.
I'm like, y'all are I am always like who Scorpios
just wanted to would much rather be alone. I would
be more worried if I.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Lived in the house of the Scorpio than I would
if I just met you guys on the street.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I say, Scorpios are like, uh, you know, millennial emos, like.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Their side park, the bangs.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
It's not a phase, mom, Yeah, we're like notes.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
I didn't think it was a phase.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
Okay, Yeah, that's how I see them too, Like who
and Who's I'm not worried about that kid.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I'm like, it is what it is. It's a kid
like and she said.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
The astrology portion of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Thank you so much, Nie, thank you for coming to
hang out with them.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
That was so fast.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
You were so much fun, so much fun, and that
conversation just flowed.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Where do you have anything that you want to promote
or yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I mean you know, I'm out here on my slubstack.
That's the home of my my podcast that I'm currently doing.
What should we talk about? It's a culture comedy politics
chat podcast and Jenny Yang dot substack dot com or
wherever you pod I am in the middle of my
between season one and season two hiatus because I'm not
(44:14):
trying to overwork myself. Wow, Okay, and then you know
I'm gonna be online talking about going to Taiwan for
fertility and Japan travels. So follow me. You know what
I didn't mention? Did you know, Curly, I first met
you when you were a front desk person.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
No, this is deep lore, Please tell me.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
I know we only have two minutes left, but I
needed to establish that I once was a very early
BuzzFeed video freelancer, regular freelancer and you were there as
the front desk I love that was the time of Quinta.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, yeah, you know how was that?
Speaker 1 (44:54):
You were totally nice? I feel like I just remember
your hair.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah yeah. So would you come in? Was I like
sassy with you? Was I playful with you?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
You're playful?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, I love that so much early BuzzFeed video regular freelance.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
That makes me so happy. Yeah, because I treated it
like it was my home.
Speaker 5 (45:10):
So it was like, yeah, I was like, come on in,
but if you put your dirty feet on the coffee table,
I would tell you take your dirty feet off of.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
My coffee tab. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
I remember I told this one guy, this one my
dude came in there, no, no, no, he put his like
dirty feet where and that's We didn't have a lot
of places to eat at the time, and I told him, like,
get your crusty feet off of my table. And then
I felt really bad. I went to go find him
on set later because I was the front desk person.
I was like, sorry, I called your feet crusty. But
that's where people eat.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
You know, I think so, But I love that. Thank
you for telling me that story. But my work. Can
people find you on social media?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
You can find me at my in the Moment, m
a ya in the Moment, anywhere you scroll what about you?
Speaker 5 (45:52):
You can find me at the Curly v Show on
Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Thank you so much again for joining us. You're amazing.
I want to come be on your podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
By the way, we do like season two.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
I'm booking, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, it's fun. It's on my house shot with three iPhones.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
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Speaker 5 (46:28):
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