March 22, 2026 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we are back on the way constat
presented by The Ring Magazine and today, folks, the Fury
fighting family is potentially falling, as John Fury has done
an emotional interview in which he kind of just trashed
Tyson Fury, his entire team, his career, posts, the Deonte
Wilder fights, and pretty much came off like he was
(00:21):
a sad, lonely father, that his son and his own words,
didn't respect him anymore, and that the relationship is completely destroyed.
We have to break all this down. He also talked
about Tommy Fury potentially fighting very soon, of son that
he has more of an involvement with and a son
he has a lot more control over. So it's gonna
be an interesting video because it's gonna give us a
(00:42):
real look at John Fury. Not the crazy man grabbing
his nuts, kicking tables, smashing his head against windows, but
a sad, lonely father that hates the way his son's
career is going and probably hates that he's been left behind.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But let's take a look.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm gonna watch most of this interview and see what
John Fury is so upset about and why he says
his relationship with Tyson is completely destroyed and may not
ever recover.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What is going on the breakdown. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
A big topic at the moment is Tyson's return to
the ring. You don't want him to return, though.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Do you nothing? He's past his best. I'm an overfilled
kind of guy. I loved me so well. There's too
many people patting him on the back and tenguing miss
Tarzan when he's not Tarzan. He's been gone Tyson since
the Deonte Wilder fights. It's finished Wilder completely dunning. He's
not got a leg underneath him. It's took a lot
away from Tyson Magmudoff. This is a problem. I'm the
(01:41):
first one to say, because all I'm out there, they
don't pay enough attention to detail Spencer.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Now I've said this, John.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, so right off, right off, rip.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We get John Fury's real thoughts on Tyson Fury and
where he's at in his career. He says, this Macmudoff
fight is dangerous, and it is. Mac Mudoff is a
big time punch. He's not super well known, and let's
be honest, Tyson struggled with a big time puncher that
wasn't a great stylistic matchup. Technically with him, Tyson was
(02:12):
the better technical fighter, but Deontay Wilder was a massive puncher,
and he made Tyson pay for it dearly in three fights.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
With those two.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I think John is right about this. It completely changed Wilder.
It changed Wilder. It killed his career right the three
fights with Tyson Fury ended Wilder's career.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Damn near.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
We're gonna see Deontay Wilder one more time at least
here in a couple of weeks with Derek Chazora. But
after those fights, he was never the same. John is saying,
Tyson is not the same. He's not the same as
he was in those three fights. He hasn't been the
same after even though John has come out, you know,
multiple times after that fight in Tyson's corner. He did
the face off on stage with Tyson for the Frantz
(02:50):
san Ghanhu fight, which we knew that Tyson was not
on good legs.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But it's a bit of.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
An eye opening thing here, because, whether you believe John
or not, he's offering some real insight. He's offering some
real criticism of his son, which you usually never hear
from any of the Furies.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The flighting Ferry family. Usually they stick together, and John's
not doing that here. John is trying to.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Lay it out and he could be over exaggerating a bit,
and it could be a bit of sour grapes because
it seems like Tyson has barred him from the camp
this time around and brought back sugar Hill Stewart, So
maybe that's a part of this, but it also is
an honest take. I think Macmudoff could present problems for Tyson.
Francis and Guhan who knocked him down, who's not a
great technical boxer but a powerful puncher, and Deontay Wilder
(03:33):
knocked him down like three times in their trilogy. Tyson
was just able to get up. Can he still withstand
that kind of punishment if he gets caught? I mean,
Usig Damn near.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Knocked him out, So we'll see. But it's not a
bad take. It just seems like it's shocking coming from John.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I get this now that Twyson Fury is testing them top.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
This is the oldment test because mac Madoff is a tough,
active fighter, Rory strong.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
If Tyson's legs.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Are not there anymore, and he'll only find it out
by the when the first people don't understand. It's not
in the training. It's when the first bell rings and
it's a it's a high risk fight for him.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
This isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It's not what I'd have done. Look at you, sex.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Did you have that conversation? By the way, about this opponent.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I've told him twenty times about it. What do you
get these he's got these people around me what he
thinks are his friends. Again but easily led. But that's
another matter. Let's go to you, sex. How clever as
you sec you Sex saying, I'm thirty nine years old
on an easy time. He's picked. Man's not a boxer,
and he did get knocked out by Big Sexy in
(04:37):
the gym. I watched it. Got flattened, eyed out by
the Irish kid, Big Sexy. He was out for ten minutes,
Big Sexy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He was out for ten minutes, right out in the gym,
my big Sexy.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
He's talking about this guy, Sean Turner, Big Sexy, who
is twelve and five, knocked out Rico Verhoven and left
him l sparco. John says, for ten minutes, which I'm
pretty sure if you're knocked out on Conco for ten
minutes you're probably brain dead. But what he's saying is
Oosick is taking easier opponents right now, you guys heard
(05:07):
me talk about this. I think that's such a travesty
for the heavyweight champion. And I'm not a fan of like, oh, well,
they've earned it. No, you earn nothing except the next
opponent as the champion, That's what you earn is the
right to continue to defend your belt versus credible contenders.
Right So, no, I don't want to hear that. I
don't mind the fight with Rigo Verrubn. I just don't
(05:28):
think the WBC bell should be on the line anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
So as a boxer, he thinks, yes, I'm getting well
paid for Rico keeping my name out there. It's an
easy fight. Is keeping meself fresh. Even if Tyson winses
it's twelve rounds of ib work. He don't need up
thirty eight. They're not looked at it properly. He don't
need that kind of smoke at thirty eight year old.
What he should have done is box clever, done like
(05:52):
you sext done and had the trilogy. Let two men
kill each other. But what's he done? He's been an
Hero's took over his brain power.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Who's giving him that advice?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Listen, I was gonna pause it, but I want to
hear this.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You're not a stupid mom. You're look at your team,
an't you? Why do you think I'm not there? And
I've never been. I've never left.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Him John Ackin, he's alluding to sugar Hill, Stewart, the
people around him. I assume that's who John's talking about
here when he says, you know, people are acting like
his friends, and they're acting like they got his best interest,
but they don't.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And he's not.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Listening to me anymore, and he should have been doing
easier fights, which again, I gotta if Tyson's not fighting
for a belt, I understand the need to fight a
contender to get back to the belt, which is why
I think it's kind of tough, because if Tyson really
did want another shot at Doua Sick, the fan side
of me goes, yeah, you need to fight a heavyweight contender.
Probably could have been and should have been kyble L,
even though Kyel is already the number one contenders. He's there, right,
(06:50):
but this is another test fight with mac Moodov, and
if you do get through that, they're probably gonna do
the trilogy. I don't want to see the trilogy, but
from a father and a team memberive, yeah, this would
be the right option. If I were managing Tyson, I'd
be like, let's go and get you know, one of
these entertainment bouts. Even though the last entertainment bout Tyson
did he almost got knocked out by Francis and Ganhu.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Let's go to one of those and then we'll do
the trilogy.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's not great for the sport, but it'd be great
for Tyson's pockets and probably his health. So one thing
you'll always hear from me is never that John Fury
makes bad decisions for his kids in terms of like, yeah,
is he eccentric?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah? Does he make the Fury name look kind of
bad sometimes? Sure? But without John Fury, and fair play
to him. He says this all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Tyson and Tommy don't have the opportunities they have at
the times they get them right, Like Tyson's skill was
going to show through at a certain point, he was
gonna be the best in the world, but John Fury
got him on the map.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Talking and talking and talking.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Tommy Fury, based on John and Tyson has had opportunities
he never should have gotten, and as fair play done
well with him and has made himself a ton of
money doing it. But one thing that John has done
is put in boys in a better position than they
would have been otherwise.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You got to give him that.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What do you think of Tyson at the moment? Technically, tactically,
what is it that is now missing from him?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Everything? Tyson was a formidable man. But when you fight
one of the hardest punchers in boxing history three.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Times, it takes you text it out.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It never gets replaced. You can never fill that tank
cup like you had it before. On every shot he took.
Don't forget in the last fight he went down four times.
Canons are shots. He fought his heart out, He went
to the well, he gave it all to get that,
and when he got that knockout Tyson, he had nothing
left after that. He laid it all the line. He said,
(08:43):
after all that, Dalla was prepared to die like may
I I meet this rock and prepared to die in
the room, Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Of course, of course at the end of it, John
had to make it about himself. Of course he did,
all right. So the first off, I don't think Tyson
was dropped four times in the last Wilder fight.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I could be wrong, but it was at least two,
maybe three.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But I kind of agree with the entirety of the point,
which was that when you get hit by a freaking
eighteen wheeler like Deontay Wilder has in his right hand,
especially that Deontay Wilder, it takes things away from you
never get back. And I know that we've heard that before,
but I mean brain function, I mean body function, I
mean endurance, I mean all of it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The cognitive factor that goes.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Into all of those things, it goes away because you
just can't the body can't sustain that much trauma like trauma.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And so when John's talking about, yeah, it makes sense.
And Tyson did look.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Kind of I mean, granted, he took the easy fight
with Derek Chazora after and and that was you know,
everybody hated it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
But you see him in the Yusik fights look a
step slower.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You see him not necessarily be what he was, and
you definitely see it in the Francis fight. But then
again he was close in the first Usik fight. Again,
a different matchup someone that's not necessarily the biggest power puncture.
But it's gonna you know, technique for technique box with you.
Tyson's always just struggled though with big power punchers always
(10:08):
and this is another one standing right in front of him.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
What Tyson is going through now?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Like because sometimes John and you'll you'll recognize this and
people may love or hate me for saying it, but
the fight is the first one to know it and
the last one to admit it. And it's all about
testing yourself seeing if you've still got it. I get
this come because I totally understand that is he in
that stage of his life at the moment, Tyson.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Would you want to know if you've still got it? Again?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Man?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Like Magmudov about them?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Isn't it is fight that fronts and Ghana a lot
better aid and forget what happened with Dave Allen. You
just come over for a pay day. Yeah, this is
his chance to word. It's his world title. He's training
the rocks off, mate. Yeah you're not going to You're
going to see a different Magmudov. But the other you know,
when you've got people rat rain but don't know the
game properly. I thought myself, I've been around boxing on meal.
(10:58):
It's a generational thing. I've not read it in the book.
I've not come from watching some you know, some Mickey
Mouse fights and have a mindset they want to mess
with the world champion.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh my god, I thought we were gonna get some
cat weasels there for a second, or I'm not coming
from the cat weasel.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Should have paid more attention to detail. Okay, Tyson, I
said to him about eighteen months, forget it. You're not
what it was. Leave it, begged the pray of him.
Leave it. Your power's up to scratch. I watched a
U Sect fight last time. The power weren't there.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
The moves was there, but.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
After six or seven rounds it was fading quick, you know,
and down the street. That's where you sick got him
every time the last two rounds. It's that close, you know.
And at the end of the day, the old Tyson,
but I'm not you sick out in five rounds before
he met Wilder.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, buddy, here we go, all right, Okay, the old
Tyson would have knocked Alexander Usik out in five rounds.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Now, that's John chatting shite.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But again, some of this I agree with the fact
that Tyson does fade in the last half of fights,
the fact that his power isn't there. But then again,
Tyson was never a massive power puncher. Yeah, he put
down Wilder at two twelve. Sure, he put down Derek Chazori,
put down Dillian White.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But before the.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder rematch, this is, you know, coming
off the back of the clitch Goo title win, the
Ottawa Leen fight.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Tyson wasn't a massive puncher.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And obviously, if we're talking about really like coming off
the back of Tyson coming out of retirement, he was
fat as hell and he was out of shape. This
was not prime Tyson Fury right before he fought Deontay Wilder,
if he means the same Tyson that fought Vlad Klitchko.
But even then, to say he's gonna knock out Usick
at five rounds crazy to say he could have beaten Usick.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Had he not had those three Wilder fights.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Okay, maybe potentially if Ann's butts like, sure, we can
do that for every fighter, but let's relaxed five or
all right.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
When you talk to Tyson about the Usik fights, he's
still adamant that he won them. Are you adamant that
he didn't win them?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Won the first fight? I think when there's an argument,
it depends what you like. I thought for first six rounds,
seven rounds in the first fight out of him U
Sik maybe won the first two, but Tyson skated the
next five. But only for somebody saying, go left on
the south paw. If you know what I mean, Well,
you don't go left on the south for southb me.
(13:26):
So you go left on me, and I've got you.
He went left crack.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He means Tyson moving to his right, actually, but moving
into Usik's left hand. Right, You never go left on
a south Paul. You actually you want to go left
away from the powerhand of a southpaw.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
John, I think means going.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
To Usik's left side so that Usik could line up
the left hand. And then John says that that Tyson
won the first fight.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I know it was a close fight, but even John
there says, well, I thought he won the first seven
rounds and then he kind of backtracks it. Well, Usik
might have got the first two rounds, but then Tyson
won the next five.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Well, then what happened?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So I think it was a close fight that Usik
one mainly because of that.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, that stretched down the.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Back half of the fight where he wobbled Tyson hurt
him bad and then you know, ended up pretty much
taking a fight.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
John, you've been vocal about Twice and Fury in his
training camps and the people that have been training him
in the past. We'll go back to Ben Davison sugar Hill,
and you've been vocal and you've had.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Your views on that.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Where are you at with Twice and his camp now
and who's in control of that? Well? And another question
I'll add to that as well is that you just
that we're clear and we can clarify this.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You're you're not a part of this training Campbin.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah, I don't want it.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
So what are you What are your thoughts on the
training camp that is in at the moment and the
people around him at the moment.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Bollocks a lot of it, same squad, same bullshit. You know,
he went over there with a man and no, Well,
you know, seafood man works his manard. He's trained mixed
marsh arts men all his life and can get them
fit proper. His other mates flew in were two and
a half weeks left to pick up a paycheck. He's
landed because of the Netflix has there, and he followed
(15:07):
him in, if you know what I mean, you've got
the strength and addition, not with a carrot, because look
at the you know, he's not body beautiful and gets
to the ring as when they're getting that kind of money,
you need to look right, and he hasn't looked right
on a lot of occasions, Tyson, you know, and it's
because of the people around you. And I said to him,
you know, if you can't do the blood and guts training,
it's over. And he can't do the blood and guts
(15:29):
training anymore. So he's going through the motions and these
idiots and when you go get up again, men like
these young guns, what's six foot seven, they're eighteen stone,
they're young. They can tire. You're out and you only
know that when you're in there. You know, at the beginning,
I thought it was going to be me, seafoo. I said,
if you have him that sugar, I'm no filter as
(15:52):
I'm gone, but I knew he's in the background.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Okay, so let's let's go into this first.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
John Fury has been critical of everybody that has been
a Tyson head coach that's not named John Fury.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He was critical of Ben Davidson.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
He was essentially told him that he was like a
if I remember right that he was a rookie trainer
and you know, a guy that it was good fit
that he got Tyson out of, you know, the mental
state he was in. But he criticized him over some
of the tactics and things in the first Wilder fight.
Then he was singing sugar Hills praises until you know, he,
I guess got cut out of the deal. When Tyson
(16:26):
went with Ben Davidson. That was the same thing Pops
got cut out of the deal. So anytime Tyson has
been cornered by somebody else and he's not and John's
not the head coach, it's it's usually a problem for John.
So I'll say that first, like, yeah, this is clearly
sour grapes from John. But at the same time, and
that John sometimes even shouts like in the last fight.
(16:46):
I think John was in the corner in the second
Usik fight, he was shouting.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Over sugar Hill.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
They were both trying to give instructions at the same time.
That doesn't help anybody. But John just wants to be
the head coach for Tyson and Tommy. He wants to
be there head coach. He wants to be tia Fimo Senior.
He wants to be named the father son. He wants
to be Ryan Garcia and Henry Garcia. He wants to
be the father's son duo Bill Haney and Devin Haney
that make it to the top and stay with each
other the whole time, and Tyson got away from that.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Now most people say, yeah, that was probably the right
move for Tyson.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Because as good as John is, as you know, at
marketing and shouting and you know, maybe even the blood
and Gould's strength conditioning stuff. I don't know what they're doing,
but as good as he is at all that, when
it comes to being a head coach and corner, there
are more experienced guys out there, like a Ben Davidson,
like a sugar Hill, like mcgwigan some of those other guys.
(17:39):
But John doesn't see it that way and he never will.
But again I will say that, yes, Tyson has shown
up not looking in great shape in some fights, again
the Francis fight being the most prevalent. The Deontay Wilder
three fight as well, even though they said that was
on purpose to put some power on him, even though
again he had knocked out Wilder relatively easily in the
second fight. A little bit labor, which you could contribute
(18:01):
to the Wilder fights themselves. But there's been a clear
shift as Tyson's gotten older, with his I don't want
to say lack of discipline, but with his acceptance of
his weight and just being a gelatinous, flabby guy. Could
he probably be better if he trimmed about twenty or
thirty pounds. Absolutely, it seems like that's not happening in
camp for whatever reason.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
But what is it about Sugar's no good? Is it tactically?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Technically? He's useful. Every everybody's been in the corner. He
got beat everybody's had him. Mama Ali's grandson had him,
fired him down the road. The other kid, the bair
Mingham kid, god amateur, what's his name? He got an unbeaten.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Canadial, that's right, Yeah, he had been Whitaker was with
him for a while. He's talking about Niko Oli Wash
as well.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know they've got knocked out in Canada. Kid was fifty,
No went what sugar and got knocked out. You know,
the man does nothing, he said to me with his
girlfriend is his girlfriend? I don't know. We don't do
road work, we don't do sprinting, we don't do swimming,
we don't do this, we don't do that. It's pub game.
Then asist to that as much is it?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's crazy?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay again, I'm not gonna sit here and act like
I know anything more than sugar Hill Stewart obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
From the Kronk Gym, Emmanuel Stewart roadwork at that level.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Like I can get away with not doing roadwork in
a four round fight, but you you if you're doing
twelve round I mean, this is this is basic stuff.
You're doing twelve round fights. You don't have to do
roadwork every day, but you can supplement with the rower.
And you know, as fitness evolves, we're seeing that anything
that really redlines your heart rate is gonna get you
in that cardiovascular shape. But you need your legs, especially
(19:34):
if you're a mover like Tyson, you need your legs.
No swimming, none of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What are you doing? Are you just sparring? That's the case.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, okay, it gets you ready to fight, But your
cardiovascular level has to be on a certain peak.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
When you talk about pulling yourself out of that Derek
Zaura situation. What happened between the first Music fight and
the second USIC fight because you were in the corner
for the first fight, and I know there was a
lot of talk about that corner dynamic for the first one. What,
in your opinion, happened on that night and then what
was the conversation about that?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
You should never have took the fight the first fight.
You've been in training camps. You put a full camp
and you get cut the last week you worn out
from a training camp. You cart three weeks resting up
another seven weeks. That's what happened. I see your two
week is excellency, take Yola shape, but was going to
give us a ten million pound floss to technifying take it,
(20:27):
get yourself four months rest, we'll go again. No off
the fight. What do you think you don't put yourself
back in another fucking seven week eight week camp when
in his weakest piss, I was like, we don't get
this job done quick.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
In weakest Pierce, you went in weakest piss, I don't
know about it would be tough to do a full
training camp, have a cut rest a couple of weeks,
and then go right back in for another hard seven weeks.
That kind of starting and stopping. It's not good for
your body. It's not good for for you know, peaking
at the right time. I agree with John on that,
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But sometimes you have to be a businessman. Sometimes you
got to step up even when you're not feeling your greatest,
even when the circumstances aren't the greatest, even when things
don't go your way. And Tyson I commend him for
still taking the first Usik fight. I would have been
so sourly disappointed and we probably who knows, right, with
all the things that happened in boxing, had he had
he taken the fine, and you know, ten million dollar fine.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's crazy, by the way, which it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's a good idea from Tirkilashake to be like, listen,
you're committing to doing this.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It would have hurt his pockets.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It would have potentially changed the whole dynamic of the
Fury Usik fights. Would they have even happened if he
doesn't take that first one, like you just never know, right,
could Tyson could have been like a you know what, Nah, okay,
I'm done, and we would.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Have never got him.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So as a fan, I appreciate Tyson for taking him again,
as John Fury his father, I kind of agree after
the Jajor fight he probably should have hung it up.
But then again we wouldn't have got the fights.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
The plumb I had was neked awkward, keep moving, keeping turning,
keep things awkward. Don't stay a monkaus because you'll get you.
He's got fast that use egg and so when you
stop moving, when you come down off your feet, you've
had it. And I was rorried of thought, is he
got the legs? And it proved, you know, because Tyson,
you got to kill him to get put him on
the floor. He was eight in the ninth round. He
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wouldn't go down, would he tremus? His heart's unbelievable? But
did we need to subject a great champion like into that?
And I was disgusting myself. I felt like killing Sugarl
afterwards as I get him out of my side, go
left on this out poor And if it wasn't for me,
he'd have got him knocked out. You know, he's you know,
he's you know what, Sugar Hills instructions, was in the
tenth round, get that backfoot up, guy and take him out.
(22:35):
I said, he's not going to a leg under him.
Take him out. You're gonna have power. I said, you're
on your bike. I said, get me hind your jab,
fiddle away and get your legs back. Was that not
sensible advice?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Fight him in that corner. Used to god Kit chined
him in the tenth round.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, if if so.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
After Tyson gets hurt in the ninth round of the
first fight, sugar Hill says, get your back foot up
and drop a hammer take him out. I yeah, I
don't know. You're you've been hurt bad in the ninth round.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
And this isn't.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Deontay Wilder where if you push him backward he turns
into Bam beyond ice. I gotta agree again with I
can't believe I'm doing this all video, but I agree
with John here. You don't go after Usik in the
tenth round after you've just been hurt badly right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Because your legs aren't there.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You're probably off balance already as it is, You're gonna
need to move. If you wanted to go after Usik,
you do it when you're relatively fresh or in the
middle rounds, or if Usik is fading, which you know,
it seems like over those last three years Usick turns
up in the in the championship rounds. But yeah, I
don't like the advice of you just been hurt by Usick.
He's not you from pillar to post in the ninth round,
(23:37):
go after him and sit him down, stack one on
him in round ten, and hope for the best. That's
like the Ben Davison Anthony Joshua bring the upper cut
blind versus Daniel Duban and gets him knocked out. I'm
with John, I'm not seeing that. But at the same time,
John also says, you know, should we have subjected him
to that, a great champion, to being hit and pillar
(24:00):
and beaten around in that ninth round versus U Si. Yes,
because then and only then do we find out who
is the best. That those fights were needed for the
sport of boxing. John again, his father maybe doesn't see
it that way, but the truth is we needed to
know who was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
It's hard enough in the four belt system to get
an undisputed heavy championship fight.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So we needed to see it, and the rematch I
thought was cool as well. I didn't mind having the rematch.
I don't need a third one, but we definitely absolutely
needed that fight to happen for the sport.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Go out man and have a tongue chop. What the
fuck is that crunk shit?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
He's the funniest man in boxing. I swear he is.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know he's not Emmanuel Steward him. He's only a
gym sweeper. Oh that's all ever was. And he's he's
a granddad's name or whatever it was. He come over
and another a twenty five quid for the airplane ticket.
It's like, now you're a multi millionaire, you're a two
time world champion. An obo knocks on your door with
not a pot to piss in and says, can I
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to if all over? And you say, yes, happened, dog.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
He's the funniest dude in boxing.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You can't you can't tell me otherwise he is essentially
saying this sugar Hill Stewart was a dead Brokovo that
took over Tyson's career and led him to the top.
Called him a gym sweeper for his granddad. Emmanuel Stewart again,
I don't know any of this stuff. I don't know
the ins and outs of what sugar Hill was taught
and knows versus what he doesn't. And listen, there's some
questionable advice at times for sugar Hill, but there's questionable
(25:28):
advice from John Fury at times as well. Again, yeah,
there's jealousy that John doesn't get to be the head coach.
Because make what you want out of what John's saying.
There are a lot of it he's right about in
terms of the strategy and things that I would have said. Again,
I'm a nobody, but if I would have said the
same to Tyson. But there is a part of John
that always wants to be center stage. He may not
(25:49):
admit this, but he wants the spotlight. He wants to shine,
he wants the credit, he wants to respect, and the
fact that he can't be the head coach and really
he won't be In's corner unless he's the head coach
shows you that he can't take a back seat, he
won't take a back seat, and that he still believes
his way or the highway.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
His career has been his best trainer.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
They brother what died Huie because he knew him inside out.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
True, So Huey Fury not the one that's fighting now.
But Huey Fury's senior is John's brother and Peter Fury's brother.
Now Peter Fury and the Fury family, it's the foy
Taint Ferry family is It's a whole list of people
that really did help Tyson get to the next level.
Peter Fury's credited a lot with Tyson's rise to the
(26:36):
clitch Goo fights, but Hughey was around at that time
and before, I guess in the maturation years of Tyson Fury.
And that's I mean, that's a humble answer from John.
Probably the first one you'll hear is that he doesn't
name himself or even Peter. He says, Huey Huey Senior.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
So okay, because everybody else has a the mind on
the money, on a full train, the fighter, and you're
thinking about this, your man's gonna found her. It's your fault.
You know. You could say to me, there's two hundred
million pounds.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I'm kind of surprised he didn't say Peter though. I'm
kind of surprised he didn't put Peter's name out there.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
At least a little bit tab them results and to
keep your money. Forget this shit. That's why I don't retire.
I said to him after Inkhano, that was total dogshit.
You've got out of jail. Forget this frigging game. Now
what has.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
That done to your relationship with Tyson?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Is your honest destroyed it completely? Yeah, because I'll have
that bullshit. I don't want any money. I'm sotty on camera.
I'm not took ten pounds of mice on in my life.
What he's got go look to me. Our culture of
people were gid tark kids. We don't take I got nothing,
and I'm happy having nothing. But I've got me out
of them alive. That's more than I've got. Two brothers
don't dead fifty to fifty two. So I'm a lucky man.
(27:56):
But it took a long time to get in there.
A lot of thought, a lot of hard work, a
lot of dedication. And don't forget who built his story
when he was a kid. He didn't build it yourself
to do me. He's father and he hasn't showed me
enough respect to say, you know what, my dad could be? Right?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Is that repairable jokement?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I don't know is what it isn't it?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Honestly that that's sad. Again.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I see a lot of my own father and John Fury.
I know what they look for. I know what my
dad looks for. A sign of respect for my dad.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It's pretty simple.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Pick up the phone when I call you, don't ignore
me because you got business going on. Don't ignore me
when you got this and that. Tell me where you're
going if you're gonna be leaving the country, Like, give
him the respect of you're my dad, and I still
answer when you call. I still answer to you because
you're my father.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
If John can't have that respect for Tyson that he
can listen to his dad's device but not always follow it,
then that's the dynamic they have. But it is a
sad situation because John just feels like he's not being respected.
John feels like he's not getting the same do that
he should get from not I mean maybe the world
from the world one because we saw and this, honestly,
(29:03):
it makes a lot more sense now, this whole tirade
that he went on with Carl Froch and the whole
this is why everything's happening because of me, because of
me the Netflix press conference, but you're starting to see
why that probably went down more and more. He's frustrated,
not just with Carl Froch, not just with the world
that not, you know whatever, but with Tyson.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
We're not having his dad, I guess, on.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Stage, or having him around, or having him in the camp,
having him as head coach, or even just acknowledging that
what John is saying to him is correct. And you
feel for John there because you can kind of brush
this off as like, oh, you know, okay, John again
being a little Debbie downer because he doesn't get to
be head coach. That's probably a little part of this,
but it's also like, but a father just.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Wants, at the end of the day, to be respected.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He wants to be looked at as the father, the
same father he was when you were a kid, even
when you're a grown man. And that dynamic's tough because
as grown men, we have our own lives, we have
their own things we're doing, but that's still our dad,
you know. So I get where John's coming from, and
that is sad. You don't want to see that relationship
because John's right, even though Tyson did all the work
(30:07):
in terms of like, He's like, you wouldn't be where
he is.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Did he build his name?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
He kind of did build his name by wedding fights.
But John did put a ton of effort into Tyson.
Without John, he doesn't he doesn't end up in the
places he's at, at least not as quickly.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And he's done the same with Tommy. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It just feels like all John wants is his son
to be proud of his dad, respect his dad.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
And to to listen to him.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And that's that's a that's a family dynamic. I know
all of us, all of us know all too well.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Is that reparable judgment relationship?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I don't know what it isn't it?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Does it need to be posted?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
That's not I I hate that too? Is it repaarable?
And he's like, ah, it hopefully is repaarable?
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Host Boxing?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
What do you think the only way that you'll reconnect
is once Boxing is no longer.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
In the picture list. If God do forgive me things
that he should not, it's his own fault, eighty eight
year old. But if your father was telling you for
your own good, where your family's at, steak your children's
at steak and you don't need all this shit. You've
got nope to prove and you're being an hero.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
But it's also it's also a tough dynamic where it's
like Tyson's the one in the ring, so he's like,
you don't know, Dad, Dad, You don't understand Dad. You
do okay, you do a lot of the talking, but
you ain't never done at this level.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You don't get it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So I understand Tyson's point of view there too, like yeah,
you know John is saying that, but I got something left.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
But but will you be there fight now?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
You will?
Speaker 7 (31:31):
You watch it?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
No?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Wow, wait for the call to hear.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Particularly interested because I've exhausted what I feel, you know,
to one, We've had it out so many times about
other people hangers on. They'll suck the life out of you.
And when they've killed your stone, Dad, there's no more
juice in your orange. You won't find some other poor dickhead.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah this came.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
You know that better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Your facts.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But I asked myself on watching this, why would John
do this in an interview and not over the phone.
And it seems like it's because John and Tyson have
had it out over and over and over and over,
and that maybe he thinks this is the only way
that it'll reach Tyson, to get through his head, that
maybe he should hang it up again. That's Tyson's choice,
and we'll see how he looks versus mac Moudov. But
(32:19):
and that makes it even more kind of sad that
they just can't get on the phone and talk like
adult men and hash out their differences or whatever and
still be father and son.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But maybe this is what it's come to.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I don't know. Lookie man, he sat there. You've got
a life, probably got a family of it. Yeah, lovely family,
lovely family, godle of them and God bless them. You
worked out from but you got enough.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Only can you would You wouldn't get back and ring now,
would you?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
But I'm not sillicent Tyson meg Whack knock him out
and look sensational. But there's always an element of a
problem at thirty eight. Yeah, he's not been a ring
eighteen months and they're blowing smoke up his house left
right and send it because he want pain. There's millions
on the line on a you know what, A small
percentage of a lot's a lot.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
This is the biggest straw in boxing, big.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Straw in boxing. But he haven't handled it right because
he's got no frigging brains. But if my son's life
on the kids, what's going to suffer if anything goes wrong?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
How great would it be?
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Though? If when it's all done, you can then be
sitting back here in the retreat. Tice has been here
and he knows what it is and everything else, and
you go over him old times and yeah, lives of
roller coaster boxing can be a roller coaster and it's
all put to bed, and.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You know now, I'll tell you the truth because I'm
a no filter kind of guy. I speak as I feel.
If you can't show your father respect when it's needed,
keep going. I don't need you. I don't need him
on his millions. I need nothing of him. I wish
him well. But he's put those people before me, his
(33:55):
blood father. That's hurt me. Let you unbelieve so they
can jog on.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I mean, yeah, I can say that it is, yeah,
I can see that.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, but they don't get eat you see, because these
people roll up, pat you on the back. What money here?
The one freak he's flowed in two and a half
weeks before the fight, just got paycheck. The other freaks
come with him, don't do you not see this? The
man seef who were doing well with him, speaking to
him every day, and I was ringing me when he
gets a little bit stuck. He's ringing me on the
(34:28):
phone because I can't fly anymore. Don't like planes, had
a bad flight. I'm not going anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Is that the reason John can't fly anymore?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's not what I heard. But yeah, so again that's
just sad that that's sad to hear. And again I
don't know what the truth of that is. I don't
know if Tyson is truly out here just you know,
neglecting his dad, not talking to him, putting him aside,
not respecting.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Him, all that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
But whatever it is, it's hurting John because it feels
like he's choosing other people over his father, people that
have just come on as Tyson has gotten a lot
more money and a lot more f in the back,
you know, third of his career, and again it all
comes down to respect and how you treat your father.
I'm not gonna paint Tyson out of some villain because
John could be exaggerating, but at the same time. It's
(35:13):
how he feels, and so there's no one that can
really comment on it but him and Tyson.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
He's broke the golden rule when he as a man,
so he can keep going with his plastic friends. But
he'll want me before our woman. And don't forget a
sixty year old much time left that you forgot the
ten year left. I'll be doing well. But I only
said to him if I had have been in his
corner and he's in trouble, he wouldn't be dead. If
he gets in trouble with them and his corn, he's dead.
(35:38):
I'll brain damage for life because he can be like
that on his legs. Get out and do your thing.
I'm not gonna They're not gonna be like that with
a towel or saying I'm you pulled your shoulders on,
went not out of it. You're alive. Save your man.
There he goes are bigger than Tyson on the bigger
(35:58):
than the actual fight for all of them saying is
let them go. I want nothing. I got this shed.
I've got my own on when I've had for forty
it's mine. They don't owe nobly nothing. I can do
my young things, you know, like I say, But will
I be at the fight?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Will I listen to it? No? If one of the
brothers tell me he's one fair enough, which you probably
will win, I wish them all look in the world,
but I'm only going off his last two performances. You
sex good, but he's not. He's not an All of Fame,
He's not.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's just, yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Alexander Uzik is of five thousand percent, a Hall of Famer,
pound for pound, one of the greatest we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
What are you saying, John Fury?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
His interview today is yours is fatherly instincts, and you're
just saying this, And come on, let's drawing a lineup.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
None of his brothers want it.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
And you're more qualified to say that than any anyone
else on this planet.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
After nothing but missun safety, I wouldn't take you all
the Saudi Arabia and all the money oiling it from
to break a leg, never mind risk the life. Yeah,
you know they called Muhammad Ali an old man. Happen
too much thirty eight twenty fort Larry Olms. Yeah, not
saying Magnudoffson because he's not. Yeah, you say what I'm saying.
(37:16):
The same time of feeling, don't you when it's over?
It's over.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Fox, He's the umbrella of this whole whole thing. Now
where you go? Now you're talking about you.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
All the way.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I couldn't imagine watching this if I'm Tyson and not
being like, oh shit, what the fuck? Like my dad
don't even think I'm gonna come out of this, Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I'd feel so nervous. I'd be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I couldn't I couldn't even brush this off, like, oh,
my dad doesn't know what he's talking about. Uh, but
then again, you know they know each other better. But
that would be so tough to watch, to be like, yeah,
my dad basically thinks I'm gonna get put into a
vegetative state after this, you know, or potentially could be,
which that comes with every fight.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Right, there's that.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I'm gonna do a part two to this where we're
gonna talk about Tommy Fury and uh, the potential fight
that he has coming up potentially against Jake Paul, what's
going wrong. We're gonna save that for a part too,
so come back and see that then.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But I want your guys' thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean, obviously The overarching message here is just sad
between Tyson and John, the father son relationship that's just
not going well, and it seems like it's all boils
down to a difference of ideology, a difference in methodology,
and the relationship strain that puts on a father and
son when fatherly advice is either ignored or in John's case,
(38:29):
it seems like he feels he's been disrespected, like he's
not even being listened to. And when you're one of
the best boxers in the world like Tyson Fury, it
takes more than just some life advice. It takes more
than just some some conversations to convince you that it
may not be your time anymore. This Macmodoff fight coming
up is gonna tell us a lot about where he stands.
But it's clear for John that this relationship is fractured,
and that's a very sad thing.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I don't want to see that. Ever, the realities of
what John highlights here.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Are danger in this fight, and and oddly enough, it
kind of builds this fight for me because Macmudov, you know,
he's been stopped by some guys. He probably should have
been stopped by the Cabiel fight. Four rounds in he
getting stopped. That was kind of rough for him. But
can Tyson turn the clock back at thirty eight years
old and get this one done? I think he should,
but he does struggle with power punchers. Also, what happens
(39:14):
with Tyson and John? Is this all just some act?
I think this is probably the first time I've seen
a legit John Fury be as selfless and humble as
I maybe I've ever seen him. So it's sad to see,
but it's a glimpse into the truth behind closed doors
of what happens when a father and son's relationships gets estranged.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I hate to see it. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Let me know in the comments what happens in this fight.
Don't have those answers, but I guess we'll find out.
All right, so we are back on the way constat
presented by The Ring Magazine and today, folks, the Fury
fighting family is potentially falling, as John Fury has done
an emotional interview in which he kind of just trashed
Tyson Fury, his entire team, his career, posts, the Deonte
Wilder fights, and pretty much came off like he was
(00:21):
a sad, lonely father, that his son and his own words,
didn't respect him anymore, and that the relationship is completely destroyed.
We have to break all this down. He also talked
about Tommy Fury potentially fighting very soon, of son that
he has more of an involvement with and a son
he has a lot more control over. So it's gonna
be an interesting video because it's gonna give us a
(00:42):
real look at John Fury. Not the crazy man grabbing
his nuts, kicking tables, smashing his head against windows, but
a sad, lonely father that hates the way his son's
career is going and probably hates that he's been left behind.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But let's take a look.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm gonna watch most of this interview and see what
John Fury is so upset about and why he says
his relationship with Tyson is completely destroyed and may not
ever recover.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What is going on the breakdown. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
A big topic at the moment is Tyson's return to
the ring. You don't want him to return, though.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Do you nothing? He's past his best. I'm an overfilled
kind of guy. I loved me so well. There's too
many people patting him on the back and tenguing miss
Tarzan when he's not Tarzan. He's been gone Tyson since
the Deonte Wilder fights. It's finished Wilder completely dunning. He's
not got a leg underneath him. It's took a lot
away from Tyson Magmudoff. This is a problem. I'm the
(01:41):
first one to say, because all I'm out there, they
don't pay enough attention to detail Spencer.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Now I've said this, John.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, so right off, right off, rip.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We get John Fury's real thoughts on Tyson Fury and
where he's at in his career. He says, this Macmudoff
fight is dangerous, and it is. Mac Mudoff is a
big time punch. He's not super well known, and let's
be honest, Tyson struggled with a big time puncher that
wasn't a great stylistic matchup. Technically with him, Tyson was
(02:12):
the better technical fighter, but Deontay Wilder was a massive puncher,
and he made Tyson pay for it dearly in three fights.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
With those two.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I think John is right about this. It completely changed Wilder.
It changed Wilder. It killed his career right the three
fights with Tyson Fury ended Wilder's career.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Damn near.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
We're gonna see Deontay Wilder one more time at least
here in a couple of weeks with Derek Chazora. But
after those fights, he was never the same. John is saying,
Tyson is not the same. He's not the same as
he was in those three fights. He hasn't been the
same after even though John has come out, you know,
multiple times after that fight in Tyson's corner. He did
the face off on stage with Tyson for the Frantz
(02:50):
san Ghanhu fight, which we knew that Tyson was not
on good legs.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But it's a bit of.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
An eye opening thing here, because, whether you believe John
or not, he's offering some real insight. He's offering some
real criticism of his son, which you usually never hear
from any of the Furies.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The flighting Ferry family. Usually they stick together, and John's
not doing that here. John is trying to.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Lay it out and he could be over exaggerating a bit,
and it could be a bit of sour grapes because
it seems like Tyson has barred him from the camp
this time around and brought back sugar Hill Stewart, So
maybe that's a part of this, but it also is
an honest take. I think Macmudoff could present problems for Tyson.
Francis and Guhan who knocked him down, who's not a
great technical boxer but a powerful puncher, and Deontay Wilder
(03:33):
knocked him down like three times in their trilogy. Tyson
was just able to get up. Can he still withstand
that kind of punishment if he gets caught? I mean,
Usig Damn near.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Knocked him out, So we'll see. But it's not a
bad take. It just seems like it's shocking coming from John.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I get this now that Twyson Fury is testing them top.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
This is the oldment test because mac Madoff is a tough,
active fighter, Rory strong.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
If Tyson's legs.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Are not there anymore, and he'll only find it out
by the when the first people don't understand. It's not
in the training. It's when the first bell rings and
it's a it's a high risk fight for him.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
This isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It's not what I'd have done. Look at you, sex.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Did you have that conversation? By the way, about this opponent.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I've told him twenty times about it. What do you
get these he's got these people around me what he
thinks are his friends. Again but easily led. But that's
another matter. Let's go to you, sex. How clever as
you sec you Sex saying, I'm thirty nine years old
on an easy time. He's picked. Man's not a boxer,
and he did get knocked out by Big Sexy in
(04:37):
the gym. I watched it. Got flattened, eyed out by
the Irish kid, Big Sexy. He was out for ten minutes,
Big Sexy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He was out for ten minutes, right out in the gym,
my big Sexy.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
He's talking about this guy, Sean Turner, Big Sexy, who
is twelve and five, knocked out Rico Verhoven and left
him l sparco. John says, for ten minutes, which I'm
pretty sure if you're knocked out on Conco for ten
minutes you're probably brain dead. But what he's saying is
Oosick is taking easier opponents right now, you guys heard
(05:07):
me talk about this. I think that's such a travesty
for the heavyweight champion. And I'm not a fan of like, oh, well,
they've earned it. No, you earn nothing except the next
opponent as the champion, That's what you earn is the
right to continue to defend your belt versus credible contenders.
Right So, no, I don't want to hear that. I
don't mind the fight with Rigo Verrubn. I just don't
(05:28):
think the WBC bell should be on the line anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
So as a boxer, he thinks, yes, I'm getting well
paid for Rico keeping my name out there. It's an
easy fight. Is keeping meself fresh. Even if Tyson winses
it's twelve rounds of ib work. He don't need up
thirty eight. They're not looked at it properly. He don't
need that kind of smoke at thirty eight year old.
What he should have done is box clever, done like
(05:52):
you sext done and had the trilogy. Let two men
kill each other. But what's he done? He's been an
Hero's took over his brain power.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Who's giving him that advice?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Listen, I was gonna pause it, but I want to
hear this.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You're not a stupid mom. You're look at your team,
an't you? Why do you think I'm not there? And
I've never been. I've never left.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Him John Ackin, he's alluding to sugar Hill, Stewart, the
people around him. I assume that's who John's talking about
here when he says, you know, people are acting like
his friends, and they're acting like they got his best interest,
but they don't.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And he's not.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Listening to me anymore, and he should have been doing
easier fights, which again, I gotta if Tyson's not fighting
for a belt, I understand the need to fight a
contender to get back to the belt, which is why
I think it's kind of tough, because if Tyson really
did want another shot at Doua Sick, the fan side
of me goes, yeah, you need to fight a heavyweight contender.
Probably could have been and should have been kyble L,
even though Kyel is already the number one contenders. He's there, right,
(06:50):
but this is another test fight with mac Moodov, and
if you do get through that, they're probably gonna do
the trilogy. I don't want to see the trilogy, but
from a father and a team memberive, yeah, this would
be the right option. If I were managing Tyson, I'd
be like, let's go and get you know, one of
these entertainment bouts. Even though the last entertainment bout Tyson
did he almost got knocked out by Francis and Ganhu.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Let's go to one of those and then we'll do
the trilogy.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's not great for the sport, but it'd be great
for Tyson's pockets and probably his health. So one thing
you'll always hear from me is never that John Fury
makes bad decisions for his kids in terms of like, yeah,
is he eccentric?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah? Does he make the Fury name look kind of
bad sometimes? Sure? But without John Fury, and fair play
to him. He says this all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Tyson and Tommy don't have the opportunities they have at
the times they get them right, Like Tyson's skill was
going to show through at a certain point, he was
gonna be the best in the world, but John Fury
got him on the map.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Talking and talking and talking.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Tommy Fury, based on John and Tyson has had opportunities
he never should have gotten, and as fair play done
well with him and has made himself a ton of
money doing it. But one thing that John has done
is put in boys in a better position than they
would have been otherwise.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You got to give him that.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What do you think of Tyson at the moment? Technically, tactically,
what is it that is now missing from him?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Everything? Tyson was a formidable man. But when you fight
one of the hardest punchers in boxing history three.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Times, it takes you text it out.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It never gets replaced. You can never fill that tank
cup like you had it before. On every shot he took.
Don't forget in the last fight he went down four times.
Canons are shots. He fought his heart out, He went
to the well, he gave it all to get that,
and when he got that knockout Tyson, he had nothing
left after that. He laid it all the line. He said,
(08:43):
after all that, Dalla was prepared to die like may
I I meet this rock and prepared to die in
the room, Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Of course, of course at the end of it, John
had to make it about himself. Of course he did,
all right. So the first off, I don't think Tyson
was dropped four times in the last Wilder fight.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I could be wrong, but it was at least two,
maybe three.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But I kind of agree with the entirety of the point,
which was that when you get hit by a freaking
eighteen wheeler like Deontay Wilder has in his right hand,
especially that Deontay Wilder, it takes things away from you
never get back. And I know that we've heard that before,
but I mean brain function, I mean body function, I
mean endurance, I mean all of it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The cognitive factor that goes.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Into all of those things, it goes away because you
just can't the body can't sustain that much trauma like trauma.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And so when John's talking about, yeah, it makes sense.
And Tyson did look.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Kind of I mean, granted, he took the easy fight
with Derek Chazora after and and that was you know,
everybody hated it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
But you see him in the Yusik fights look a
step slower.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You see him not necessarily be what he was, and
you definitely see it in the Francis fight. But then
again he was close in the first Usik fight. Again,
a different matchup someone that's not necessarily the biggest power puncture.
But it's gonna you know, technique for technique box with you.
Tyson's always just struggled though with big power punchers always
(10:08):
and this is another one standing right in front of him.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
What Tyson is going through now?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Like because sometimes John and you'll you'll recognize this and
people may love or hate me for saying it, but
the fight is the first one to know it and
the last one to admit it. And it's all about
testing yourself seeing if you've still got it. I get
this come because I totally understand that is he in
that stage of his life at the moment, Tyson.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Would you want to know if you've still got it? Again?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Man?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Like Magmudov about them?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Isn't it is fight that fronts and Ghana a lot
better aid and forget what happened with Dave Allen. You
just come over for a pay day. Yeah, this is
his chance to word. It's his world title. He's training
the rocks off, mate. Yeah you're not going to You're
going to see a different Magmudov. But the other you know,
when you've got people rat rain but don't know the
game properly. I thought myself, I've been around boxing on meal.
(10:58):
It's a generational thing. I've not read it in the book.
I've not come from watching some you know, some Mickey
Mouse fights and have a mindset they want to mess
with the world champion.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh my god, I thought we were gonna get some
cat weasels there for a second, or I'm not coming
from the cat weasel.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Should have paid more attention to detail. Okay, Tyson, I
said to him about eighteen months, forget it. You're not
what it was. Leave it, begged the pray of him.
Leave it. Your power's up to scratch. I watched a
U Sect fight last time. The power weren't there.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
The moves was there, but.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
After six or seven rounds it was fading quick, you know,
and down the street. That's where you sick got him
every time the last two rounds. It's that close, you know.
And at the end of the day, the old Tyson,
but I'm not you sick out in five rounds before
he met Wilder.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, buddy, here we go, all right, Okay, the old
Tyson would have knocked Alexander Usik out in five rounds.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Now, that's John chatting shite.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But again, some of this I agree with the fact
that Tyson does fade in the last half of fights,
the fact that his power isn't there. But then again,
Tyson was never a massive power puncher. Yeah, he put
down Wilder at two twelve. Sure, he put down Derek Chazori,
put down Dillian White.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But before the.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder rematch, this is, you know, coming
off the back of the clitch Goo title win, the
Ottawa Leen fight.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Tyson wasn't a massive puncher.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And obviously, if we're talking about really like coming off
the back of Tyson coming out of retirement, he was
fat as hell and he was out of shape. This
was not prime Tyson Fury right before he fought Deontay Wilder,
if he means the same Tyson that fought Vlad Klitchko.
But even then, to say he's gonna knock out Usick
at five rounds crazy to say he could have beaten Usick.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Had he not had those three Wilder fights.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Okay, maybe potentially if Ann's butts like, sure, we can
do that for every fighter, but let's relaxed five or
all right.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
When you talk to Tyson about the Usik fights, he's
still adamant that he won them. Are you adamant that
he didn't win them?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Won the first fight? I think when there's an argument,
it depends what you like. I thought for first six rounds,
seven rounds in the first fight out of him U
Sik maybe won the first two, but Tyson skated the
next five. But only for somebody saying, go left on
the south paw. If you know what I mean, Well,
you don't go left on the south for southb me.
(13:26):
So you go left on me, and I've got you.
He went left crack.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He means Tyson moving to his right, actually, but moving
into Usik's left hand. Right, You never go left on
a south Paul. You actually you want to go left
away from the powerhand of a southpaw.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
John, I think means going.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
To Usik's left side so that Usik could line up
the left hand. And then John says that that Tyson
won the first fight.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I know it was a close fight, but even John
there says, well, I thought he won the first seven
rounds and then he kind of backtracks it. Well, Usik
might have got the first two rounds, but then Tyson
won the next five.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Well, then what happened?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So I think it was a close fight that Usik
one mainly because of that.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, that stretched down the.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Back half of the fight where he wobbled Tyson hurt
him bad and then you know, ended up pretty much
taking a fight.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
John, you've been vocal about Twice and Fury in his
training camps and the people that have been training him
in the past. We'll go back to Ben Davison sugar Hill,
and you've been vocal and you've had.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Your views on that.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Where are you at with Twice and his camp now
and who's in control of that? Well? And another question
I'll add to that as well is that you just
that we're clear and we can clarify this.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You're you're not a part of this training Campbin.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah, I don't want it.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
So what are you What are your thoughts on the
training camp that is in at the moment and the
people around him at the moment.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Bollocks a lot of it, same squad, same bullshit. You know,
he went over there with a man and no, Well,
you know, seafood man works his manard. He's trained mixed
marsh arts men all his life and can get them
fit proper. His other mates flew in were two and
a half weeks left to pick up a paycheck. He's
landed because of the Netflix has there, and he followed
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him in, if you know what I mean, you've got
the strength and addition, not with a carrot, because look
at the you know, he's not body beautiful and gets
to the ring as when they're getting that kind of money,
you need to look right, and he hasn't looked right
on a lot of occasions, Tyson, you know, and it's
because of the people around you. And I said to him,
you know, if you can't do the blood and guts training,
it's over. And he can't do the blood and guts
(15:29):
training anymore. So he's going through the motions and these
idiots and when you go get up again, men like
these young guns, what's six foot seven, they're eighteen stone,
they're young. They can tire. You're out and you only
know that when you're in there. You know, at the beginning,
I thought it was going to be me, seafoo. I said,
if you have him that sugar, I'm no filter as
(15:52):
I'm gone, but I knew he's in the background.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Okay, so let's let's go into this first.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
John Fury has been critical of everybody that has been
a Tyson head coach that's not named John Fury.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He was critical of Ben Davidson.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
He was essentially told him that he was like a
if I remember right that he was a rookie trainer
and you know, a guy that it was good fit
that he got Tyson out of, you know, the mental
state he was in. But he criticized him over some
of the tactics and things in the first Wilder fight.
Then he was singing sugar Hills praises until you know, he,
I guess got cut out of the deal. When Tyson
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went with Ben Davidson. That was the same thing Pops
got cut out of the deal. So anytime Tyson has
been cornered by somebody else and he's not and John's
not the head coach, it's it's usually a problem for John.
So I'll say that first, like, yeah, this is clearly
sour grapes from John. But at the same time, and
that John sometimes even shouts like in the last fight.
(16:46):
I think John was in the corner in the second
Usik fight, he was shouting.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Over sugar Hill.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
They were both trying to give instructions at the same time.
That doesn't help anybody. But John just wants to be
the head coach for Tyson and Tommy. He wants to
be there head coach. He wants to be tia Fimo Senior.
He wants to be named the father son. He wants
to be Ryan Garcia and Henry Garcia. He wants to
be the father's son duo Bill Haney and Devin Haney
that make it to the top and stay with each
other the whole time, and Tyson got away from that.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Now most people say, yeah, that was probably the right
move for Tyson.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Because as good as John is, as you know, at
marketing and shouting and you know, maybe even the blood
and Gould's strength conditioning stuff. I don't know what they're doing,
but as good as he is at all that, when
it comes to being a head coach and corner, there
are more experienced guys out there, like a Ben Davidson,
like a sugar Hill, like mcgwigan some of those other guys.
(17:39):
But John doesn't see it that way and he never will.
But again I will say that, yes, Tyson has shown
up not looking in great shape in some fights, again
the Francis fight being the most prevalent. The Deontay Wilder
three fight as well, even though they said that was
on purpose to put some power on him, even though
again he had knocked out Wilder relatively easily in the
second fight. A little bit labor, which you could contribute
(18:01):
to the Wilder fights themselves. But there's been a clear
shift as Tyson's gotten older, with his I don't want
to say lack of discipline, but with his acceptance of
his weight and just being a gelatinous, flabby guy. Could
he probably be better if he trimmed about twenty or
thirty pounds. Absolutely, it seems like that's not happening in
camp for whatever reason.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
But what is it about Sugar's no good? Is it tactically?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Technically? He's useful. Every everybody's been in the corner. He
got beat everybody's had him. Mama Ali's grandson had him,
fired him down the road. The other kid, the bair
Mingham kid, god amateur, what's his name? He got an unbeaten.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Canadial, that's right, Yeah, he had been Whitaker was with
him for a while. He's talking about Niko Oli Wash
as well.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know they've got knocked out in Canada. Kid was fifty,
No went what sugar and got knocked out. You know,
the man does nothing, he said to me with his
girlfriend is his girlfriend? I don't know. We don't do
road work, we don't do sprinting, we don't do swimming,
we don't do this, we don't do that. It's pub game.
Then asist to that as much is it?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's crazy?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay again, I'm not gonna sit here and act like
I know anything more than sugar Hill Stewart obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
From the Kronk Gym, Emmanuel Stewart roadwork at that level.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Like I can get away with not doing roadwork in
a four round fight, but you you if you're doing
twelve round I mean, this is this is basic stuff.
You're doing twelve round fights. You don't have to do
roadwork every day, but you can supplement with the rower.
And you know, as fitness evolves, we're seeing that anything
that really redlines your heart rate is gonna get you
in that cardiovascular shape. But you need your legs, especially
(19:34):
if you're a mover like Tyson, you need your legs.
No swimming, none of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What are you doing? Are you just sparring? That's the case.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, okay, it gets you ready to fight, But your
cardiovascular level has to be on a certain peak.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
When you talk about pulling yourself out of that Derek
Zaura situation. What happened between the first Music fight and
the second USIC fight because you were in the corner
for the first fight, and I know there was a
lot of talk about that corner dynamic for the first one. What,
in your opinion, happened on that night and then what
was the conversation about that?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
You should never have took the fight the first fight.
You've been in training camps. You put a full camp
and you get cut the last week you worn out
from a training camp. You cart three weeks resting up
another seven weeks. That's what happened. I see your two
week is excellency, take Yola shape, but was going to
give us a ten million pound floss to technifying take it,
(20:27):
get yourself four months rest, we'll go again. No off
the fight. What do you think you don't put yourself
back in another fucking seven week eight week camp when
in his weakest piss, I was like, we don't get
this job done quick.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
In weakest Pierce, you went in weakest piss, I don't
know about it would be tough to do a full
training camp, have a cut rest a couple of weeks,
and then go right back in for another hard seven weeks.
That kind of starting and stopping. It's not good for
your body. It's not good for for you know, peaking
at the right time. I agree with John on that,
(21:00):
But sometimes you have to be a businessman. Sometimes you
got to step up even when you're not feeling your greatest,
even when the circumstances aren't the greatest, even when things
don't go your way. And Tyson I commend him for
still taking the first Usik fight. I would have been
so sourly disappointed and we probably who knows, right, with
all the things that happened in boxing, had he had
he taken the fine, and you know, ten million dollar fine.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's crazy, by the way, which it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's a good idea from Tirkilashake to be like, listen,
you're committing to doing this.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It would have hurt his pockets.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It would have potentially changed the whole dynamic of the
Fury Usik fights. Would they have even happened if he
doesn't take that first one, like you just never know, right,
could Tyson could have been like a you know what, Nah, okay,
I'm done, and we would.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Have never got him.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So as a fan, I appreciate Tyson for taking him again,
as John Fury his father, I kind of agree after
the Jajor fight he probably should have hung it up.
But then again we wouldn't have got the fights.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
The plumb I had was neked awkward, keep moving, keeping turning,
keep things awkward. Don't stay a monkaus because you'll get you.
He's got fast that use egg and so when you
stop moving, when you come down off your feet, you've
had it. And I was rorried of thought, is he
got the legs? And it proved, you know, because Tyson,
you got to kill him to get put him on
the floor. He was eight in the ninth round. He
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wouldn't go down, would he tremus? His heart's unbelievable? But
did we need to subject a great champion like into that?
And I was disgusting myself. I felt like killing Sugarl
afterwards as I get him out of my side, go
left on this out poor And if it wasn't for me,
he'd have got him knocked out. You know, he's you know,
he's you know what, Sugar Hills instructions, was in the
tenth round, get that backfoot up, guy and take him out.
(22:35):
I said, he's not going to a leg under him.
Take him out. You're gonna have power. I said, you're
on your bike. I said, get me hind your jab,
fiddle away and get your legs back. Was that not
sensible advice?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Fight him in that corner. Used to god Kit chined
him in the tenth round.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, if if so.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
After Tyson gets hurt in the ninth round of the
first fight, sugar Hill says, get your back foot up
and drop a hammer take him out. I yeah, I
don't know. You're you've been hurt bad in the ninth round.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
And this isn't.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Deontay Wilder where if you push him backward he turns
into Bam beyond ice. I gotta agree again with I
can't believe I'm doing this all video, but I agree
with John here. You don't go after Usik in the
tenth round after you've just been hurt badly right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Because your legs aren't there.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You're probably off balance already as it is, You're gonna
need to move. If you wanted to go after Usik,
you do it when you're relatively fresh or in the
middle rounds, or if Usik is fading, which you know,
it seems like over those last three years Usick turns
up in the in the championship rounds. But yeah, I
don't like the advice of you just been hurt by Usick.
He's not you from pillar to post in the ninth round,
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go after him and sit him down, stack one on
him in round ten, and hope for the best. That's
like the Ben Davison Anthony Joshua bring the upper cut
blind versus Daniel Duban and gets him knocked out. I'm
with John, I'm not seeing that. But at the same time,
John also says, you know, should we have subjected him
to that, a great champion, to being hit and pillar
(24:00):
and beaten around in that ninth round versus U Si. Yes,
because then and only then do we find out who
is the best. That those fights were needed for the
sport of boxing. John again, his father maybe doesn't see
it that way, but the truth is we needed to
know who was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
It's hard enough in the four belt system to get
an undisputed heavy championship fight.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So we needed to see it, and the rematch I
thought was cool as well. I didn't mind having the rematch.
I don't need a third one, but we definitely absolutely
needed that fight to happen for the sport.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Go out man and have a tongue chop. What the
fuck is that crunk shit?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
He's the funniest man in boxing. I swear he is.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know he's not Emmanuel Steward him. He's only a
gym sweeper. Oh that's all ever was. And he's he's
a granddad's name or whatever it was. He come over
and another a twenty five quid for the airplane ticket.
It's like, now you're a multi millionaire, you're a two
time world champion. An obo knocks on your door with
not a pot to piss in and says, can I
(24:59):
to if all over? And you say, yes, happened, dog.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
He's the funniest dude in boxing.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You can't you can't tell me otherwise he is essentially
saying this sugar Hill Stewart was a dead Brokovo that
took over Tyson's career and led him to the top.
Called him a gym sweeper for his granddad. Emmanuel Stewart again,
I don't know any of this stuff. I don't know
the ins and outs of what sugar Hill was taught
and knows versus what he doesn't. And listen, there's some
questionable advice at times for sugar Hill, but there's questionable
(25:28):
advice from John Fury at times as well. Again, yeah,
there's jealousy that John doesn't get to be the head coach.
Because make what you want out of what John's saying.
There are a lot of it he's right about in
terms of the strategy and things that I would have said. Again,
I'm a nobody, but if I would have said the
same to Tyson. But there is a part of John
that always wants to be center stage. He may not
(25:49):
admit this, but he wants the spotlight. He wants to shine,
he wants the credit, he wants to respect, and the
fact that he can't be the head coach and really
he won't be In's corner unless he's the head coach
shows you that he can't take a back seat, he
won't take a back seat, and that he still believes
his way or the highway.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
His career has been his best trainer.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
They brother what died Huie because he knew him inside out.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
True, So Huey Fury not the one that's fighting now.
But Huey Fury's senior is John's brother and Peter Fury's brother.
Now Peter Fury and the Fury family, it's the foy
Taint Ferry family is It's a whole list of people
that really did help Tyson get to the next level.
Peter Fury's credited a lot with Tyson's rise to the
(26:36):
clitch Goo fights, but Hughey was around at that time
and before, I guess in the maturation years of Tyson Fury.
And that's I mean, that's a humble answer from John.
Probably the first one you'll hear is that he doesn't
name himself or even Peter. He says, Huey Huey Senior.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
So okay, because everybody else has a the mind on
the money, on a full train, the fighter, and you're
thinking about this, your man's gonna found her. It's your fault.
You know. You could say to me, there's two hundred
million pounds.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I'm kind of surprised he didn't say Peter though. I'm
kind of surprised he didn't put Peter's name out there.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
At least a little bit tab them results and to
keep your money. Forget this shit. That's why I don't retire.
I said to him after Inkhano, that was total dogshit.
You've got out of jail. Forget this frigging game. Now
what has.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
That done to your relationship with Tyson?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Is your honest destroyed it completely? Yeah, because I'll have
that bullshit. I don't want any money. I'm sotty on camera.
I'm not took ten pounds of mice on in my life.
What he's got go look to me. Our culture of
people were gid tark kids. We don't take I got nothing,
and I'm happy having nothing. But I've got me out
of them alive. That's more than I've got. Two brothers
don't dead fifty to fifty two. So I'm a lucky man.
(27:56):
But it took a long time to get in there.
A lot of thought, a lot of hard work, a
lot of dedication. And don't forget who built his story
when he was a kid. He didn't build it yourself
to do me. He's father and he hasn't showed me
enough respect to say, you know what, my dad could be? Right?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Is that repairable jokement?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I don't know is what it isn't it?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Honestly that that's sad. Again.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I see a lot of my own father and John Fury.
I know what they look for. I know what my
dad looks for. A sign of respect for my dad.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It's pretty simple.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Pick up the phone when I call you, don't ignore
me because you got business going on. Don't ignore me
when you got this and that. Tell me where you're
going if you're gonna be leaving the country, Like, give
him the respect of you're my dad, and I still
answer when you call. I still answer to you because
you're my father.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
If John can't have that respect for Tyson that he
can listen to his dad's device but not always follow it,
then that's the dynamic they have. But it is a
sad situation because John just feels like he's not being respected.
John feels like he's not getting the same do that
he should get from not I mean maybe the world
from the world one because we saw and this, honestly,
(29:03):
it makes a lot more sense now, this whole tirade
that he went on with Carl Froch and the whole
this is why everything's happening because of me, because of
me the Netflix press conference, but you're starting to see
why that probably went down more and more. He's frustrated,
not just with Carl Froch, not just with the world
that not, you know whatever, but with Tyson.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
We're not having his dad, I guess, on.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Stage, or having him around, or having him in the camp,
having him as head coach, or even just acknowledging that
what John is saying to him is correct. And you
feel for John there because you can kind of brush
this off as like, oh, you know, okay, John again
being a little Debbie downer because he doesn't get to
be head coach. That's probably a little part of this,
but it's also like, but a father just.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Wants, at the end of the day, to be respected.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He wants to be looked at as the father, the
same father he was when you were a kid, even
when you're a grown man. And that dynamic's tough because
as grown men, we have our own lives, we have
their own things we're doing, but that's still our dad,
you know. So I get where John's coming from, and
that is sad. You don't want to see that relationship
because John's right, even though Tyson did all the work
(30:07):
in terms of like, He's like, you wouldn't be where
he is.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Did he build his name?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
He kind of did build his name by wedding fights.
But John did put a ton of effort into Tyson.
Without John, he doesn't he doesn't end up in the
places he's at, at least not as quickly.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And he's done the same with Tommy. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It just feels like all John wants is his son
to be proud of his dad, respect his dad.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
And to to listen to him.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And that's that's a that's a family dynamic. I know
all of us, all of us know all too well.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Is that reparable judgment relationship?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I don't know what it isn't it?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Does it need to be posted?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
That's not I I hate that too? Is it repaarable?
And he's like, ah, it hopefully is repaarable?
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Host Boxing?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
What do you think the only way that you'll reconnect
is once Boxing is no longer.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
In the picture list. If God do forgive me things
that he should not, it's his own fault, eighty eight
year old. But if your father was telling you for
your own good, where your family's at, steak your children's
at steak and you don't need all this shit. You've
got nope to prove and you're being an hero.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
But it's also it's also a tough dynamic where it's
like Tyson's the one in the ring, so he's like,
you don't know, Dad, Dad, You don't understand Dad. You
do okay, you do a lot of the talking, but
you ain't never done at this level.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You don't get it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So I understand Tyson's point of view there too, like yeah,
you know John is saying that, but I got something left.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
But but will you be there fight now?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
You will?
Speaker 7 (31:31):
You watch it?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
No?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Wow, wait for the call to hear.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Particularly interested because I've exhausted what I feel, you know,
to one, We've had it out so many times about
other people hangers on. They'll suck the life out of you.
And when they've killed your stone, Dad, there's no more
juice in your orange. You won't find some other poor dickhead.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah this came.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
You know that better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Your facts.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But I asked myself on watching this, why would John
do this in an interview and not over the phone.
And it seems like it's because John and Tyson have
had it out over and over and over and over,
and that maybe he thinks this is the only way
that it'll reach Tyson, to get through his head, that
maybe he should hang it up again. That's Tyson's choice,
and we'll see how he looks versus mac Moudov. But
(32:19):
and that makes it even more kind of sad that
they just can't get on the phone and talk like
adult men and hash out their differences or whatever and
still be father and son.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But maybe this is what it's come to.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I don't know. Lookie man, he sat there. You've got
a life, probably got a family of it. Yeah, lovely family,
lovely family, godle of them and God bless them. You
worked out from but you got enough.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Only can you would You wouldn't get back and ring now,
would you?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
But I'm not sillicent Tyson meg Whack knock him out
and look sensational. But there's always an element of a
problem at thirty eight. Yeah, he's not been a ring
eighteen months and they're blowing smoke up his house left
right and send it because he want pain. There's millions
on the line on a you know what, A small
percentage of a lot's a lot.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
This is the biggest straw in boxing, big.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Straw in boxing. But he haven't handled it right because
he's got no frigging brains. But if my son's life
on the kids, what's going to suffer if anything goes wrong?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
How great would it be?
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Though? If when it's all done, you can then be
sitting back here in the retreat. Tice has been here
and he knows what it is and everything else, and
you go over him old times and yeah, lives of
roller coaster boxing can be a roller coaster and it's
all put to bed, and.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You know now, I'll tell you the truth because I'm
a no filter kind of guy. I speak as I feel.
If you can't show your father respect when it's needed,
keep going. I don't need you. I don't need him
on his millions. I need nothing of him. I wish
him well. But he's put those people before me, his
(33:55):
blood father. That's hurt me. Let you unbelieve so they
can jog on.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I mean, yeah, I can say that it is, yeah,
I can see that.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, but they don't get eat you see, because these
people roll up, pat you on the back. What money here?
The one freak he's flowed in two and a half
weeks before the fight, just got paycheck. The other freaks
come with him, don't do you not see this? The
man seef who were doing well with him, speaking to
him every day, and I was ringing me when he
gets a little bit stuck. He's ringing me on the
(34:28):
phone because I can't fly anymore. Don't like planes, had
a bad flight. I'm not going anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Is that the reason John can't fly anymore?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's not what I heard. But yeah, so again that's
just sad that that's sad to hear. And again I
don't know what the truth of that is. I don't
know if Tyson is truly out here just you know,
neglecting his dad, not talking to him, putting him aside,
not respecting.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Him, all that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
But whatever it is, it's hurting John because it feels
like he's choosing other people over his father, people that
have just come on as Tyson has gotten a lot
more money and a lot more f in the back,
you know, third of his career, and again it all
comes down to respect and how you treat your father.
I'm not gonna paint Tyson out of some villain because
John could be exaggerating, but at the same time. It's
(35:13):
how he feels, and so there's no one that can
really comment on it but him and Tyson.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
He's broke the golden rule when he as a man,
so he can keep going with his plastic friends. But
he'll want me before our woman. And don't forget a
sixty year old much time left that you forgot the
ten year left. I'll be doing well. But I only
said to him if I had have been in his
corner and he's in trouble, he wouldn't be dead. If
he gets in trouble with them and his corn, he's dead.
(35:38):
I'll brain damage for life because he can be like
that on his legs. Get out and do your thing.
I'm not gonna They're not gonna be like that with
a towel or saying I'm you pulled your shoulders on,
went not out of it. You're alive. Save your man.
There he goes are bigger than Tyson on the bigger
(35:58):
than the actual fight for all of them saying is
let them go. I want nothing. I got this shed.
I've got my own on when I've had for forty
it's mine. They don't owe nobly nothing. I can do
my young things, you know, like I say, But will
I be at the fight?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Will I listen to it? No? If one of the
brothers tell me he's one fair enough, which you probably
will win, I wish them all look in the world,
but I'm only going off his last two performances. You
sex good, but he's not. He's not an All of Fame,
He's not.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's just, yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Alexander Uzik is of five thousand percent, a Hall of Famer,
pound for pound, one of the greatest we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
What are you saying, John Fury?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
His interview today is yours is fatherly instincts, and you're
just saying this, And come on, let's drawing a lineup.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
None of his brothers want it.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
And you're more qualified to say that than any anyone
else on this planet.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
After nothing but missun safety, I wouldn't take you all
the Saudi Arabia and all the money oiling it from
to break a leg, never mind risk the life. Yeah,
you know they called Muhammad Ali an old man. Happen
too much thirty eight twenty fort Larry Olms. Yeah, not
saying Magnudoffson because he's not. Yeah, you say what I'm saying.
(37:16):
The same time of feeling, don't you when it's over?
It's over.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Fox, He's the umbrella of this whole whole thing. Now
where you go? Now you're talking about you.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
All the way.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I couldn't imagine watching this if I'm Tyson and not
being like, oh shit, what the fuck? Like my dad
don't even think I'm gonna come out of this, Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I'd feel so nervous. I'd be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I couldn't I couldn't even brush this off, like, oh,
my dad doesn't know what he's talking about. Uh, but
then again, you know they know each other better. But
that would be so tough to watch, to be like, yeah,
my dad basically thinks I'm gonna get put into a
vegetative state after this, you know, or potentially could be,
which that comes with every fight.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Right, there's that.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I'm gonna do a part two to this where we're
gonna talk about Tommy Fury and uh, the potential fight
that he has coming up potentially against Jake Paul, what's
going wrong. We're gonna save that for a part too,
so come back and see that then.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But I want your guys' thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean, obviously The overarching message here is just sad
between Tyson and John, the father son relationship that's just
not going well, and it seems like it's all boils
down to a difference of ideology, a difference in methodology,
and the relationship strain that puts on a father and
son when fatherly advice is either ignored or in John's case,
(38:29):
it seems like he feels he's been disrespected, like he's
not even being listened to. And when you're one of
the best boxers in the world like Tyson Fury, it
takes more than just some life advice. It takes more
than just some some conversations to convince you that it
may not be your time anymore. This Macmodoff fight coming
up is gonna tell us a lot about where he stands.
But it's clear for John that this relationship is fractured,
and that's a very sad thing.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I don't want to see that. Ever, the realities of
what John highlights here.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Are danger in this fight, and and oddly enough, it
kind of builds this fight for me because Macmudov, you know,
he's been stopped by some guys. He probably should have
been stopped by the Cabiel fight. Four rounds in he
getting stopped. That was kind of rough for him. But
can Tyson turn the clock back at thirty eight years
old and get this one done? I think he should,
but he does struggle with power punchers. Also, what happens
(39:14):
with Tyson and John? Is this all just some act?
I think this is probably the first time I've seen
a legit John Fury be as selfless and humble as
I maybe I've ever seen him. So it's sad to see,
but it's a glimpse into the truth behind closed doors
of what happens when a father and son's relationships gets estranged.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I hate to see it. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Let me know in the comments what happens in this fight.
Don't have those answers, but I guess we'll find out.
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