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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we're back on the way concept presented
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by The Ring Magazine, and this is one day after
Ryan Garcia becomes the WBC Welterweight Champion of the World.
John Strickland beats Fluffy Hernandez in the UFC. I may
talk about it that a little bit this week because
Sean Strickland is a psychopath, but it may end up
stealing his fate on the White House card, him versus
Amza Chimayev. I want to see that. But before we
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do anything and move forward in the fight world, I
had to get you guys this video. And before I start,
I want to say a big thank you to his
own The Ring Magazine, everybody in Vegas. Great week, awesome
building the sport of boxing, continuing my man showbiz, showing
much love. But we have to go from love to
hate and from friendship to betrayal, because today Eddie Hearn
has responded to the massive betrayal violent stabbing in the
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back a two brute. You don't know what I'm talking about.
Dana White and ZUFA Boxing has been going back and
forth with Eddie Hearn over at matt Rooms. Really it's
been the last couple of months and it felt though
way more personal. In the last couple of weeks. The
kind of started with Dana White saying that he was
essentially bullying babies in the boxing game, that Eddie Hearn
and others, Oscar de la Hoya whoever else they were
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in over their heads. They had no idea what they
were doing, and they had no vision, and he was
going to again beat up babies. A bit of a
weird analogy from Dana, but I understood what he meant.
He essentially was saying, this game has been so you know, mismanaged,
run into the ground, that it's going to be very
easy for him to come in and take over.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know if that's the case. We'll see, but
it all seemed like cannon fodder when we heard it. It
seemed like that was just Dana White, you know, talking
some stuff, drumming up some drama between promotions. Turns out
he wasn't just talking because even when Eddie Hearn came
back and you know, through his verbal jabs talking about
how Turkey Ella Shake is Data's daddy and all this,
it seemed like Eddie had all the cards until Dana
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White signs Connor Benn. We saw it a couple of
days ago. The wool pulled over our eyes. We thought
Connor Ben and Eddie Hearn were like this peb and
two p's in a pod, best friends and promoter fighter.
After all, Eddie had been through a lot with Connor
Ben and it stuck by him, through a lot of
bads and negatives. That all are going to come home
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to roost in today's video, because Eddie, after the massive signing,
after the crazy betrayal, after all of the dust is settled,
he has responded in a video titled I Am Devastated.
Eddie Hearn Exclusive reacts to Connor Ben's shock signing with
Dana White. We're gonna take a look at this. This
is my IFL shout out to those guys, and then
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we're gonna take it a step further because not just
Eddie responding to Dana, but Dana had a response for
Eddie that went even more berserk. I'm just gonna give
you a little sneak peek of that. Ain't a White.
Eddie Hearn is the biggest pussy in the world. That's right.
We're at the point now where we're calling each other pussies. Dude,
what is going on? Breakdown? Let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So, I mean, I'll give you the flow to kind
of give us a bit of context around this because yeah,
is in same Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
No, Look, I'm you know, I've known about this for
a few days now what was unfolding. I actually received
an email from Connor Ben's lawyer to make me aware
of it. I'm not gonna sit.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Here, Okay, before we even start, I didn't know this
in my last video that Eddie had known about it.
Maybe even during the timeframe where there was the back
and forth going on between him and Dana, that Eddie
knew that this was about to hit the fan, that
shit was about to hit the fan, which would make
his his response a little more understandable, right he got
you know, Dana kind of went at him first with
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the I'm beating up babies, and Dana got personal by saying,
you know, you worked for your dad. But Eddie came
back firing, and maybe that was why It's like, you know,
Eddie was already frustrated and it was it was starting
to go. But maybe that was before Eddie got this news.
And Eddie heard about it like right after, and it's
obviously devastating. But Eddie knew before the news came out.
That's what I wanted to know, because I didn't know
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if it was one of those things where Connor Benn
just went a full WCW. You know, Eric Bischoff's paying
him more money not to say anything to Vince mcmahonon
just no show and then walk on to his show
Lex Luger style. I thought that was what we were
talking about, but Eddie knew.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and hang konor
been out to try, but I've got to be honest
with you.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Me personally pretty devastated. Ah, Like, I've had.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
A few days to digest what might happen, So maybe
this interview is different to what it would have been
a couple of days ago.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And like you you know, I.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Mean, Eddie looks like someone died. And I don't even
mean that hyperbolically. He looks likely. Look at his posture.
We don't ever see Eddie hearn like this, slumped down,
kind of like shoulders down, very soft spoken. I mean
he's clearly it's defeat all over his face, his voice
and then the words themselves. I'm devastating that in one respect.
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Is very honest and very honorable that Eddie would be
so vulnerable on camera. But it's also dude, this is
the fight game, and if you show any of these
guys a moment of weakness, they will take it and
run with it. Right if they know that they can
get to you, and they have gotten to you, I
could be looked at his blood in the water and
make no mistake about this. Eddie's not gonna be the
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only guy that gets his fighter taken. I'm gonna tell
you right now. This is an all out war between
ZUFA and everybody else. There's going to be a lot
of fighters jumping ship. I don't know who. I don't
know when when you after a Galla shik Ring magazine
backing ZUFA. Even if they have diverted their investment in
places like Matchroom in other places, I think their chips
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are in fully in the pile of ZUFA boxing. They
own like sixty percent of it. Don't don't get it twisted.
Connor's not going to be the last guy to go there.
Who knows who it's gonna be. I've speculated about Shakor Stevenson.
Ryan Garcia will talk more about it in a second.
But Eddie's not going to be the last guy looking
like he lost his puppy.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's not often you get and I blame myself. I
blame myself because I just I forgot it was boxing.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You know, And I was like, I just felt that
the loyalty.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That we've shown would never ever put us in this position.
And I just felt that I never really needed to
push connor Ben to sign a new contract previously, and
I probably could have got him to sign a new
contract previously, but I just and like I said, I
blame myself. I made a mistake because I misjudged the character.
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And again, I'm not going to hang him out to
try and he will say it was a big offer, right,
but you know when I received the email.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
We're gonna get to that in a second. So number one,
the biggest yes, Eddie is again he's being transparent here.
I have to give it to him. He made a
massive mistake not re signing connor Ben when he had
the chance to, or you know, restructuring the contract, renegotiating whatever,
and letting connor Ben become a free agent. Thinking that
because connor Ben and him had been through so much
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that was the only thing that was gonna matter. And
Eddie being in this business as long as he's been
in it, that's a flat out mistake. Because what's the
old saying, if you want loyalty, get a dog. Speaking
of boy Rocky's laid out on the floor right here,
in this business, there is no loyalty one. This isn't
a team sport, right. As much as Eddie wants his
fighters to be match room team and all promoters do this.
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And I'm not acting like I know more than Eddie
does about promotion. I don't know shit compared to Eddie hearn.
But what I do know is this is an individual sport.
No matter whose promotion company are signed under, the fighters
will always think of themselves first. And we've seen that
with fighters and managers. We've seen it with fighters and
coaches having disputes overpaid. So if there's more money on
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the other side and the grass is greener, you best
believe that fighter is going to look after themselves and
whatever that number is far more than you know, quote
unquote loyalty. And I'm not a fan of it. I
think Eddie deserved better here, just on a human level, right.
I do think that Connor had every right to do
business and go for the best offer, meaning if he
left Eddie, okay, that's business. But it's the way that
we're about to see that Connor Ben handled this that
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I think is the wrong way to go about it,
that I think Eddie deserved better for because of the loyalty.
And this is what makes it even more. It makes
it a little grimy, I have to say. And I
love Connor, bed it makes it a little grimy the
way this was handled. As Eddie's about to tell us.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
When I received the email from his lawyer, I text
him and said, I think we should have a call.
I think you for everything I've done for you, I
think you deserve I deserve a call. And he said no,
and I was like, man, fuck, I can't believe it,
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and you know, I just I don't know what to
say of it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Eddie looks like he's legit about to cry right there.
So this is the part that you know, that loyalty
that Eddie thought he deserved and he thought he had
went straight down the drain. And again me on the
outside looking in, this this is a dirty move, but
it's also a business move. So it's like on one hand,
are you mad at Connor Benn for going and getting
fifteen million dollars? And we're gonna find out that, you know,
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Eddie also had a chance to match this number, and
maybe he just couldn't do it right, Maybe he just
couldn't justify it, and therefore he you know, Connor wouldn't
have took that number and Eddie just couldn't match it.
But the idea that Connor wouldn't even get on the
phone with him, right, the idea that Connor wouldn't even
have a call with him to either explain the situation
or to be like, listen, Eddie, we had a good
run and I appreciate everything you've done for me. I'm
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gonna go do this. And as we've heard right now
again this is a Chris Mannix report that it's a
one fight deal for fifteen million dollars. That doesn't mean
that Connor Ben could have never come back to match him, right,
If they're that person if that relationship was personable and
as loyal as as Eddie Hearn has thought it was.
But it's the fact that Connor Ben didn't even give
him the courtesy of calling and talking to him about it.
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Not that Connor owes him anything, because in this business,
no one owes anyone anything. And if you're Eddie Hern
and you show Connor ben loyalty, you don't do it
expecting anything in return, because that's not what good friends
or good Samaritans or whatever do. They do things out
of the goodness of their heart. And Eddie's showing Connor
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that loyalty, he expected that loyalty back. And again we're
gonna get into the reasons why there were some money
being exchanged. And you know Connor with the ped accusations
and the long sit out and the suspension and the
you know, losing money on fighting the charges and all that.
But when Connor is in contract negotiation, Eddie is not
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owed Connor's services for a lesser price. In my opinion,
he's just owed a phone call, an explanation, and maybe
he's not even owed that. This is boxing. This is
the same business where promoters, sanctioning bodies, managers often screw
their fighters. Right. Rarely will you see the fans back
a promoter over a fighter, because this business has been
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so scummy and so flat out fraudulent to its own fighters.
Or we've seen promoters for years, the don Kings of
the world. I mean, the go back into the early
freaking nineteen hundreds, that the actual mob scamming and robbing fighters,
sanctioning bodies, robbing fighters blind for what, we don't even understand,
pay to play, bullshit in the sport, multiple belts, multiple
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interim belts, sanctioning fees, corruption in the whole nine. But
I will say Eddie did a lot right by Connor Ben.
Sure there was a financial means for it. Sure there
was a reason Eddie was doing it so that Connor
would make him a lot of money and make match
him a lot of money and make Connor a lot
of money. He believed in the kid, and they had
this long relationship and I don't know how long Eddie
promoted him, but it was I think it was ten years,
and not even give him the call, And maybe in
Connor's mind he didn't know it to him because he's
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a grown man and so is Connor doing his business.
I don't know. That's tough. Would have given him the
call and said, listen, here's what I'm going to do.
It's going to be uncomfortable, and I just got to
take this. And if if Connor and Eddie are as
close as as Eddie's acting like here, then maybe they
can do business in the future. But Eddie being broken
up like this, I understand it, but in this business,
I mean, it'll endear him to the fans, I don't
know if it'll help him in any business negotiations, especially
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when you've got a shark on the other side, like
Dana White who just took you know, outside of Anthony Joshua,
You're best known fighter.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I just, you know, felt that everything that we gave him,
the loyalty that we gave him, the support we gave him,
would be enough to talk it through or just you know,
get close to a number or but it wasn't. It
wasn't really the interest. So very very surprising, very very painful,
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but just another moment in life that you live and
learn from. I don't really know what to say really.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Just for also, I can't again it tells me that
Eddie was never going to hit fIF Team Mill and
that Connor wasn't interested in, you know, the trying to
talk down to a number that he didn't want. Okay,
you could have said that, right, like Eddie's going to
try to negotiate, He's going to try to keep you.
Eddie clearly can't match fifteen mil, which is what he's
saying without saying. And Connor didn't have to tell him, yes,
I'll do this for less because we were friends, or
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I'll do this for less because of loyalty. Connor simply
could have just said, hey, I'm taking the money and
it's a one fight deal, so let's do business after.
But Eddie, you understand this is life changing money for
me and my family. That's all he needed to do, right,
And then I'm good. I'm good with Connor's decision to
leave that and co take the money, make no mistake
about it. Fend for yourself in this business. Fighters make
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your money. Just again on a moral scale. Not that
any promoters deserve, you know, us weeping over them, but
it would have been nice to get the call.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Feels a little bit of a wasted few years because
I gave a lot. I gave a lot, you know
how hard I thought. You know, when no one believed him,
no one backed him.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I did. I believed him, and.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I backed him, and I never gave in when he
was done out, loaned him hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But yeah, on week can you still work with him?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I mean that, I think who knows what the agreement is.
Like I said, I'm not I'm not gonna, not gonna
sit here, and you know I had some very choice
words with his manager Keith Connelly.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh my guy, Keith. Okay, before we get into that,
Eddie would I think absolutely work with Connor Ben. Again,
I think he would be less of a personal relationship
and more of a business one. But again, this is
the boxing business and if you can't put your personal
feelings aside. For let's say Connor Ben goes to ZUFA,
wins a massive fight, you know, becomes an even bigger star,
and then wants to come back to my I don't
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think that's going to happen, not just because you know,
the bridge may be burned or whatever, but I just
think if ZUFA is offering him fifteen million, that's the
rumor number, and Eddie couldn't match it, then if Connor
you know, performs and does well, how's he going to
match it? After Let's say Connor wins a fight and
then renegotiates for a higher number than that, Eddie couldn't
give him the fifteen to start with, or wasn't willing to.
(15:21):
So is he going to give him more? And obviously
if he loses, you know, we'll see. But I don't
I could see a future where they work together. I
could just it would be you know, strictly business. Which
again maybe that's something that Eddie is learning again that
every promoter's different. But maybe you shouldn't be as close
to the fighters because it does hurt if you feel
like you're close to someone and they leave you right
if you feel like But then again, other people like
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can do a business where like Eddie, they want to
be close to the fighter so that they can promote
the fighters properly. They know him very well, they know
what they want, they know what their career aspirations are,
they know their heart, they know their family. That's a
way of doing it too. But yeah, I think that
this other part where Eddie's talking about how much he
loaned Connor money and you know, yeah, let's be honest
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about it. When Connor Ben was going through that explanations
for what happened with him and you know, him popping
for the drug tests, Eddie was kind of the only
guy in the UK that stood his ground on you know,
talkSPORT with Simon Jordan. Every time they went at it,
Eddie would just he would back his guy. And apparently
he gave him money to you know, live on and
maybe even pay some of those legal fees with right,
(16:25):
who knows, but hundreds of thousands of dollars you invest
into the guy. And yes, and again, I know that
Eddie's doing it so that he can get returned, so
that he can bring Connor back, so Connor can make
Matchroom more money. I know how the business works, but
I don't know if Eddie ever got that money back.
I don't know. I don't know how much Eddie invested
and lost on Connor Ben versus got even with the
last two U Bank fights. Point being, Eddie didn't have
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to do that, right, Eddie as the promoter, didn't have
to help Connor fight legal fees and you know all
these allegations and all that, or even really go to
bat for him the way he did because people were
running Eddie down pretty heavy for it, and he chose
to And that's I guess why not even I guess
that's why Eddie feels like it's a slap in the face.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Oh keithy baby does it again, and Connor's I don't know.
Sometimes you live in that world and you just lose
your head a little bit, you know, you just kind
of lose an understanding of reality and what's right. I'm
wrong and I just feel it the way that it
was done was very, very wrong. But that's just my opinion.
And here he might say, yeah, but it was a
lot of money, it was, you know, And but you know,
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but like I said, everyone's different, aren't they everyone. Some people,
loyalty really matters, other people maybe not.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
So your understanding.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Of yeah, I would have loved to have been a
fly on the wall for the conversation between Eddie Hern
and Keith Kindly. I like Keith a lot. I like
Eddie a lot, But again, it's a business. It is
a business, and Keith treats it like a business, and
so does Eddie. But when the money's on the table,
how much does that loyalty really mean? Right? In this
business where one fight can end your career, that money
is going to allway mean more, right, It's just the truth.
(18:02):
Kinna get handled it better. But I don't blame him
at all for going for money.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
What that financial deal was for Connor. I'm sure you
have a rough figure of what it was. Is there
any way that you could have countered it or kind
of got close.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
To where that was?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
We reply, we actually a part of the deal. I
think we would have got quite close to it. But
I think by then it was just the way that
it played out. You know, it was like to receive
an email from the lawyer and then to ask for
a call and not get you know, the willingness to
have a call.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I think by then it was just like you kind
of lose a little bit of your soul to it,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Where it's like, wow, I really lost a lot of
my soul during that two year period, do you know
what I mean? It was pretty brutal. And I'm like,
so at the moment, it's just digesting it.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know, he's talking here. It sounds like once he
got the news that they were either considering or going
to go with this uh offer from ZUFA, Eddie felt
so betrayed that he didn't even try to like counter it,
or maybe he was going to, but then he's lost,
you know, he was just like all right, I'm I
just I'm so shocked by this that I don't even
I don't even care, or like, I just don't even
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want to and they're like on the on Connor side,
they're like halfway out the door already. So do we
even do I even want to fight this type of thing?
Do I even want him back? If it's going to
take all this And in a moment the money came,
he was out of here. Again. That's up for Eddie
to decide. But this is the business of box and
they were playing probably both sides against each other with
already having the Zufa deal, Eddie, can you do something better?
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If not, we're going this way, that's business. Eddie obviously
taken back by the fact that he was even talking
to Zufa. But uh, yeah, man, this is rough to watch.
I'm sorry, and I'm not even I'm not smiling because
I like to see this. I I genuinely think Eddie's
a good dude, but this is rough to see. Man,
Eddi's got to pick himse up against the stones on
him for doing this interview and being so vulnerable. That's good,
(20:04):
but you have to think you're up against the titan
right now, dude. And I'm not talking just about Dana White.
I'm talking about the entire machine over at ZUFA and
what they want to do. And if you sit here
and wallow in it, they're going to pick the bones
because this business, as Eddie knows, is ruthless.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
A cynic would say that the timing of you're back
and forth with DANEA. White in the last few days, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It was kind of this.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
This was kind of before that, if I'm honest, but
definitely part of the reason. I mean, Connor has been
used as a pawn in that respect, and that's that's
just the business. And he will say, yeah, I mean,
like you know, i'd say from his response, he's I
don't mean he feels like he's done anything wrong really,
So that's him as a person, and I don't like say,
each to their own, it's a bit of a different
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situation what we've done.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
If I'm honest, Yeah, again, I can't sit here and
say that Connor did anything wrong for taking fifteen million
dollars for one fight. If that's the number, I can't wrong.
I can't say he's wrong for that. I can say
he's wrong for not giving Eddie the call and at
least letting him know, this is what we're doing. If
you can't match it, Eddie, it's nothing personal, but I
have to take this. This is life changing money and
we can still do business after right one fight deal.
(21:16):
I could still come back and do business then. And
Eddie's done that with other guys before. I think he
did this with Devin Hainey. I'm pretty sure. So yeah,
I think that's just the only real, like logical way
to look at this. It's like, you can't fault Connor
beIN for going and taking that kind of money, fault
him for not letting Eddie know, or not getting on
the phone and having a conversation man to man, whatever,
can't you can't fault him for actually going over and
(21:37):
doing it.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I don't think this has got nothing to do with
my comments yesterday because this was days before that. But
it's all part of the game, you know, and obviously
Turkey Faina, you know, all that kind of stuff. But
I said, you you know this is going to be
a long war. But there's certain like I said, I'll
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blame myself. I got the character wrong. I took the
loyalty for granted because of what I did, and I
shouldn't have done that, and I've made that mistake before
him boxing, but I just didn't expect it from Connabn. So,
you know, yeah, like I said, maybe maybe he's not
quite the person I thought he was. I don't know,
(22:19):
but look, well maybe we'll talk in the future.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
But what can I say.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
He's hurt, man, He's.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Hurt that Connobn was your kind of second most valuable
asset to match.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think as in the noise that
he creates. You know, he's a good fighter, of course
he is.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Obviously, We've got a number of fighters that are world
champions and unified champions, and but you know, Joshua, you can't.
You can't mention those two in the same thing for
many many reasons. But Joshua's a different breed of class
and loyalty, and you know, yeah, Joshua is one of
(23:02):
a cunt. Joshua is someone that even if I made
the mistake of trusting that loyalty, it would never be
a mistake.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
With him because he's cut from a different cloth.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But there we go.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's life.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Geez. Man, He's being honest now, He's like, listen, this
guy's a He's not saying it, but he's saying his
dude's a comeback. That's what he's saying about Connor Vett.
He's his comeback. And I think he's right though, that
Anthony Joshua would never, you know, turn his back on Eddie,
even when Joshua was over there on MVP, and I
think everybody knows how MVP feels, or you know, Nikisa
(23:40):
and Eddie had their kind of back and forth. Joshua
was shouting out Eddie Hearn the entire time in match
room and the whole deal. So all right, there it is,
there's Eddie. You know, it's a sad watch. I'll be
honest with you, it's a very very sad watch to
see Eddie Hearn just shocked and bewildered. I don't think
there's many times in the boxing game where you see
it promote or caught so off guard like he is
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in that statement, and everybody was, Let's be honest, no
one knew this was coming down the line. And I'm
telling you now, I'll keep telling you that it's only
the first domino. And you know Eddie said that that
Connor Benn is a pawn. Yeah, he's a fifteen million
dollar pond. But there's gonna be more pieces on the
chess board, and now is the time. I think everybody
should be nervous. I think Oscar de la Hoya should
be nervous. I think Eddie should be nervous for other people,
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either on his roster or people that he advises. Like
I said, I'm looking at Shagar Stevenson, I'm looking at
potential opponents for Connor Ben. I'm looking at Tafi Molpez right,
I'm looking at Ryan Garcia. All these guys at play
right now. I know Ryan is still apparently under contract
with Golden Boy. I don't know the situation for guys
like te O or Devin or even Shakor. I know,
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you know, Eddie serves in a I think an advisor
role for Sakor, but I don't, I don't. I don't
want to speak out of turn. I don't know what
his deal is there. But there's a lot of people,
and Connor Ben's gonna need a big time opponent. Becauzuva's
gonna want to make a big splash, even outside of
the welterweight division, or you know, around one hundred and four,
there are gonna be other guys all across boxing, they
have Jio Pattiyah and I'm telling you they're just getting started.
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So here's Dana White after hearing that that outpouring of
emotion from Eddie again rightfully, so Eddie's entitled to feel
how he wants. Here is Dana responding to those comments.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
And a quick one un boxing Connor ben an amazing
signing Phsy for boxing. How long was that deal in
the works? And did you know about it when you
were saying beating up babies?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Did I know about it?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
When?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
What did you know about it?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
When you were saying you were beating up babies?
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Well, I think you saw this week I am really
beating up babies. Is there a bigger pussy than Eddie Hearn?
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
God?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And this is why I say, as much and as
human and as honest as Eddie Hearn was in that
entire video we just saw with him in IFL TV,
in five seconds, Dana White makes him look like I
don't even know what, like a like a overly emotional
wreck that's reading too much into business and making too
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many things personal that are strictly business. I don't agree.
I think Eddie had a right to feel the way
he felt. But in about one sentence, is there a
bigger pussy in the world than Edie heard? He Na
is calling out his manhood, saying, what are you upset about?
This is business, dude, and he's doing it in a
bombastic way. And the last time, I'll just say this,
I don't know anything, but the last time Dana was
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very bombastic with Eddie Hearn and this has been building.
You guys, go back to my interview with Dana White
a couple of months ago where I brought up it
was the day after Eddie had kind of started to
poke to bear with Dana. And one thing you don't
do with Dana. He is not like these other boxing
promoters that'll just go back and forth in the media
and you guys can get the verbal rounds of sparring off.
While you're doing the verbal sparring, Dana's working behind the
scenes trying to pull fighters, trying to wreck your business.
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That's how he gets back the media shots. Yeah, he'll
do those too, but he'll also try to shut your
entire business down. He was very successful at it in
an mma. Boxing's a different animal. I know that. I'm
just saying, if you thought this was something you haven't
been following Dana White or his MMA platitudes for the
last ten years. And so when he comes out and
doubles down, laying the gauntlet down with this one.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Is there a bigger pussy than Nettie Hearn?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
When he drops that one on you, you better be
ready for wartime because this means that Dana's just starting
to warm up and he's not just coming for connor Ben.
He's coming to take it all.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
He was quite upset that connor Ben left him.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Is there a bigger pussy than Nettie Hearn? This guy's
supposed to be your friend. You're fucking crying. He made
more money, He's gonna make more money, and he had
the right to match it. He could have matched it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
True.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I think he said he tried and connor Ben wouldn't
return his cools.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
What a crock of shit.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
Yeah, we're literally beating up babies.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Look at the look in his eyes.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Look at the look in Dana's eyes. Son, Do you
think he's playing a game? Do you think he cares
about how his relations are with fighters and being personable? No, dude,
He's ready for blood. Nick con Dana Turkella shake, I'm
just telling you guys what I'm seeing. They are not
playing around with these motherfuers. Eddie Oscar, Frank Warren, Al
Hayman better beyond their shit his wartime. And something else
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that's interesting is Dana said, that's supposed to be your friend,
and you're out here crying about it when he's making
more money and you had the opportunity to match it.
This tells me once again that Eddie was never gonna
be able to match the fifteen, which you know, it's
like the New York Yankees. If you can't beat them,
join them. There's no way that some of these Major
League Baseball teams can match what the Yankees can throw
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at some of the best players. So they're called the
Evil Empire because yeah, of course you're gonna get the
best guys all on one team because you can afford it.
Eddie can't. Dana has the backing again. I think the
chips on the table on the side of Zufa boxing
from Turkella Shake and the Ring and Sella. It's just
the reality of the situation. They have more money to
spend and they're going to need to make some big,
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big signings, so they're gonna throw a lot of money
out there to make sure they get those signed again.
One fight deal, we'll see how it goes. But they
are not playing around, dude. That's all Dana had to say.
Notice it wasn't very again optically right on the business
side of things. Direct call out Eddie Hearn big pussy
Eddie is not okay. He's like, you're supposed to be
this dude's friend. You're you're mad at him, You're upset
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at him for making more money. Again, kind of twisting
the context, but doing it very sharp and very quick.
Had an opportunity to match it. Why didn't you match it?
If that's your boy? Again, very quick and kept it
all strictly. This is why we got him on to
the next And again, you guys can think that Dana
White's a piece of shit. You can think that Dana
White's making a mistake paying for Connor Bran fifteen million dollars,
And to be honest, it is kind of a slap
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of the face to UFC fighters that are like what
the Sean Strickland probably just fought for seven hundred and
fifty thousand this weekend and Connor band just got fifteen
million for one fight. I think there's only a handful
of fighters in UFC history that have ever made that
for one fight in the UFC, right, like Connor Habib,
maybe John Jones, maybe Ronda Rousey, maybe Brockles, maybe Chail
and Anderson the first or second pay per view, But
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nobody else is making that kind of money. So you
bring that point up, and I think yead he has like, yeah,
UFC fighters are going to take that as a slap
in the face. The thing is Danvia don't give a shit.
He's going to keep doing it. You better find another
plan of attack because if you can't match him financially,
I don't know what you can do. Here's Connor ben
on his decision. There's a couple of videos will take
a look out of here. Here's the first one that
started to make him think differently about what he wanted
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to do with his career.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Spent some time with my girl Catto in Germany. He's
one of my heroes by the way, he's like the
girl cos just the g and he had said to me,
I said, so like, you're like, my hero's gone. Why
Why why am I your hero? I was like, you're
just my favorite fire. He's gone. And then he pulled
me aside and then had a word with me, and
he said, he the belts, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Me nothing.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
You want to make sure and he has like this
voice when he talks, he's you want to make sure
the best decision you made. It's a decision you made
for the best interest of your kids. That's your legacy.
Your legacy is your kids. And when I look back
in ten fifteen years time ago, I made the right
decision for my kids and my family.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yes I do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I've been telling you guys this more and more. I
don't want to be the person that's yelling the belts
don't mean anything. The belts don't mean anything because world
championship belts do mean something, or they are supposed to
mean something. They're supposed to mean you're the best in
the world. That is what legacy is. And yes, Floyd
Mayweather has said it many times. Legacy won't feed my kids, right,
Legacy won't pay my bills. And we're seeing that with
Floyd now. Apparently he paid so much money outside of
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the ring and lost a lot of it that he's
having to come back and fight. Not only the Mike
Tyson Exhibition, which is a sham. But also he's going
to put his pro record on the line. If that
don't tell you Floyd Mayweather's broke, I don't know what will.
But you're hearing this more and more from fighters now
that they aren't necessarily caring about these belts right the
way that the World championships in boxing right now are introduced,
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are implemented and how the system works, because it used
to be those belts meant more money. Right, you win
a belt, either pay per view, showtime, HBO, whatever, you
are then in turn going to make more money. You're
top of the card. The pay structure in boxing is
a lot of money at the top of the card
and nothing underneath it. That's changing, and all of a sudden,
the four belts the sanctioning bodies don't mean as much,
and fighters from Connor, Ben Shakor Stevenson to Parence Crawford
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to Keyshawn Davis to Jo Pataiah and Moore are signaling
this same sentiment. I think boxing and the sanctioning bodies
all thought that, well, these fighters will stay because the
legacy of the WBC belt, the legacy of the Green Belt,
the legacy of the WBO, the WBA, the legacy legacy.
No fighters want to be world champions, but it doesn't
mean they have to fight for your belt to get
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That doesn't mean your belt signifies world champion. It does
for now, and I'm telling you this zoofa move and yeah, okay,
the zuofa boxing belt. We'll see how much that means.
But it's not about that. It's that belt, the Ring
Magazine belt, the belt that was given to the baddest
man in the division wasn't controlled by a sanctioning body.
That's the belt that fighters look at historically as the
world champion. And if ZUFA has their way, creating a
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boxing league and being a boxing promotion and intertwining those things,
that's the way it's going to go. I think fighters
are okay with it as long as that price tag
shows that they're treated like the best in the world.
And that's what everybody's missing about the belt talk right now. Yeah,
I think there's way too many belts in boxing and
creating a zofa belt doesn't help that. But if creating
a zoofa league and using the Ring Magazine belt as
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the championship and doing away with the bureaucratics for sanctioning
bodies as if they have any real power other than
setting rankings and demanding a fee for their winners, just
like a league would do. And we condense things into
one champion over this many divisions. I gotta say that
seems like a more efficient way of running boxing than
what we currently have. It seems like fighters are starting
to think the same. Last video here, here's Connor speaking
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on the way things went down with Eddie Hearn. This one,
I think is going to reveal a lot about Connor
and how he handled the situation, which again I think
was not done.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Very well obviously.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
There the elephant in the room is is my left
mantriump just your kind of reflection on that period of time.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Yeah, Ultimately, listen, my career is based on matchrom you know,
they are the foundation of what I am today. You know,
I've gone nothing but love Freddy of our Citi to
be part of my team in my corner, still with
me because the Johnny's Narva, a friendship with Eddie, So
you know, I'm forever grateful. I'm also excited about the
future and what it brings.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You know, for me, I've got family, I've got my
own kids, I.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Want my family to be blessed, and the decision I
made is purely for my family.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You know, Miguel Carter once said to me, what's your legacy?
I've gone here? You're my hero, You're you're this, and
you're that. You know he's gone. Why I've gone? You
a great fight? You want all the belts he's done.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
The belts don't mean nothing. Your kids are your legacy.
You want to look back in the future and go
was the decision. I made the best decision for my kids.
This is by far the best decision for my family,
because I'm not going to refuse the deal for somebody's ego,
because when I'm said and done and retired, who's going
to care about me?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Like all the other great world champions? Sometime living in carbon.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I don't I don't listen. I don't hate what Connor's
saying here, This right here is the perfect rationale to
make the decision he made. Although you know saying a Eddie,
I still want you to be a part of my team,
be in my corner. Carry the bags. He didn't say that,
but that's it's kind of what he's said, Eddie. You
could carry the bags dude, that is crazy work. You know, Eddie,
I still want you to be a part of the team,
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still my guy. Not now, dude, he can't say that now.
Can you imagine Eddie walks into the ring anyway after
getting done dirty?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think that that again, Connor made the right decision
for him and his family, if this is truly what
he values now, if he took what Miguel Coto said
and just took it to heart, and he's right. You know,
there are some guys that won all the belts, or
you know, won some of the belts, was a world champion,
or not living a great life now, can't afford certain things,
can't even afford to live, didn't manage their money correctly.
And I I fully agree with the decision he made
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for himself, his family, all of that. I get it.
But it could have been handled better. And I think
Connor knows that, And that's going to be the hardest
part for him to admit, is that he didn't. He
didn't handle it the right way. Not that he owes
Eddie anything for all the things that he did for him,
but I just think that he could have gave him
a call.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And you still want that my friend.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
He's my Guyhea, He's ultimately should be happy for me
to I'm in this position, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I want him to be part of me. You know
I'm missing Doty s and Eddie. I want to be
part of the team. Man here, the journey's not done.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Everything to them does want you to be a part
of the team. The journey's not done. Yeah, I mean,
if that was the case and this was the sentiment,
I don't understand why Connor wouldn't just get on the
phone and say this to Eddie. He said he messaged
him that again. If if it's me looking on the
outside and it looks like this is Connor speaking to
Eddie through the cameras and not speaking to Eddie directly,
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I don't know the situation. The way Eddie reacted was
not like Connor and him are still homies, are cool.
I think that Bridge is probably burned personally right this
whole like we're buddies, we're friends. He's my guy. Connor
may believe that. It's clear that Eddie doesn't. So they're
not guys, they're not boys. It's going to be very
difficult for Eddie to to part of the team. I
don't even know what that means. Like now Eddie's taking
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marching orders from Dana White, like no, dude, that to me,
that seems like Connor, you know, kind of running defense
for how he handled the situation. And again I think
there's just no other way to look at it. Then
he didn't handle it very well, and that's that's just
the truth. You left Eddie to go to ZUFA, that's fine,
But the betrayal is the idea that you did it
kind of in the shrouded darkness. That's where Eddie is like, Okay,
that's his character, right, didn't have to go with Eddie,
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didn't have to stay with Mattroom and have to remain
loyal or whatever. She at least should have given him
the call.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
It looked like for Connordan, the super boxing and the
future looks like exciting fights in the UK, in the US,
the big fighters, it'll be easy to get it made
and ultimately.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Money, money always talks, and you know they maybe enough.
I could not refuse me, I mean could not refuse.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
What are the big fights?
Speaker 9 (37:40):
Who are the names that you've.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Got Garcia front run Off, you have Haini, you have
shkor you have Rollie.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
There's names out there, there's big names over here in America.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
For me, listen, I want to get back down to
one point seven on to make sure that I follow
appropriate manner of getting my weight down. What that means
having to tick over in the meantime, ultimate, I want
to give the fans the fights they want.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I want to deliver entertainment to the public. I'm a
servant in the public. This is what I'm here to do.
He's give you, guys, the biggest fights possible, the biggest.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I agree with him. He is definitely you know, the fights.
The public likes when he fights. The public is not
going to like him after this, but they will like
when he fights. And I also think that he said
something in there that maybe kind of went over people's heads.
He's the money will always talk, and he was talking
about himself, but he was also talking about some of
these opponents. How the fights are going to get made.
That's the big question we have right now. How are
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these fights even going to get made? Kind of answered
it right there, and I think he knows a little
bit more than he's saying when he says the money
always talks.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
What did you make of pressure your banks kind of
from today?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Do you think that? Actually? Not on social media? So
I don't really. I've actually been open the Socialist for
a week ten days, you know.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
So ultimately, if he's been piping up and needs to
just go and cry about wherever he's got.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Going on, you know, like go and get another test
that I'm saying of what was it he had ibs?
He's probably upset about that.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Still, well, Connor, you guys didn't know Chrissy Bake Junior
has been roasting both Connor and Eddie like he's been
calling Connor a scumback for leaving Eddie, but Eddie was
a scumback too. He's just he's been on Twitter all
day since this happened two days for flying to Connor
replying to Eddie. It's been very funny. It's been good Banner.
But yeah, that's again, I think that's Connor just trying
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to like no, didn't see it, don't care about it.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
It's gonna be interesting when he gets in a press
conference with somebody that tries to use this and weaponize
it against him, like, look at how much of a
scumbag you are? Doda U? Not that it will matter
because I think at this point Connor has been through
the ringer with Chris Youbank talking crazy shit and he's
been able to handle that. So we'll see. But yeah,
it's been a funny, funny couple of days on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Before I know you go.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Do you have a message to first Day Eddie and
Mantram for everything over the last year.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
Grateful, fever, appreciative and I could have been more happy
with the job they've done with me.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
And ultimately I'm excited for the future, and this is
the future. I think everybody can respect the.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Decision that I've made for my family above anybody and
everybody else. My family comes first every day of the week.
And as I said twice on Sundays, without shadow of
it down.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I don't again, I can't. I can't hate the decision.
I just don't think again, the way he handled it
was anywhere closed. I don't even want to look at
the commentsant Eddie is my guy, but I won't take
a phone call from him. He can read a letter
from my lawyers and be happy for me. That is
the crazy part. Yeah, this guy, Timmy has got it
nailed down in the comments. That's the crazy part. If
that's your guy, give him a call, right, if that's
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your dude, and y'all are homies like that. And again
it's just business. It is just strictly business, and that's
your friend, and the relationship's personal and all that which
we saw it was in calling, right, that's all you
had to do. And again, I like Connor. I've met Connor,
spoken with him, great dude, always appreciative of his time.
But this is a clear cut one for me, right,
and I think if everybody else too. But this is
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where the genius in this move lies for Connor. If
he can take it down this route, he can become
one of the biggest villains in boxing, one of the
most watched but most hated, most wanted to see get
knocked out, but also put on entertaining and hard nose,
scrap like fights, which may earn him some fans back.
I don't know, but he can run with this and
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become like a super villain in boxing, and boxing needs villains.
Look at the Devin Haney situation with Ryan Garcia. They
made Devon into a villain and all he did was
show up to fight, you know what I'm saying. And
then they made Ryan Garcia the villain. It became an
interesting side quest and an interesting side bar from watching
them fight. You get these personalities in boxing and it
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creates stars. This move to Zufa, I think is going
to get more attention on him, Maybe not the one
he wants, but that's what the public saw. The way
you handle the situation, You're now one of the biggest,
if not the biggest villain in boxing. I think he
should run with it. But there it is crazy what's
happening in the sport right now. But remember when I
told you this is a crazy situation and definitely a
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betrayal of trust or whatever loyalty from Connor to Eddie.
He did Eddie wrong here by not giving him the call. Again,
I don't have any problem with Connor taking fifteen million dollars.
Every fighter should get their bag. But I'm telling you this,
he will not be the last. I think it's going
to be all out free for all on some of
the biggest names in the sport, and it's gonna happen
sooner than later. What do I mean, who's it gonna be?
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I don't have those answers, but folks, like I said
in the last video, boxing is in an all out war.
Who wins? I guess we'll find out
All right, so we're back on the way concept presented
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by The Ring Magazine, and this is one day after
Ryan Garcia becomes the WBC Welterweight Champion of the World.
John Strickland beats Fluffy Hernandez in the UFC. I may
talk about it that a little bit this week because
Sean Strickland is a psychopath, but it may end up
stealing his fate on the White House card, him versus
Amza Chimayev. I want to see that. But before we
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do anything and move forward in the fight world, I
had to get you guys this video. And before I start,
I want to say a big thank you to his
own The Ring Magazine, everybody in Vegas. Great week, awesome
building the sport of boxing, continuing my man showbiz, showing
much love. But we have to go from love to
hate and from friendship to betrayal, because today Eddie Hearn
has responded to the massive betrayal violent stabbing in the
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back a two brute. You don't know what I'm talking about.
Dana White and ZUFA Boxing has been going back and
forth with Eddie Hearn over at matt Rooms. Really it's
been the last couple of months and it felt though
way more personal. In the last couple of weeks. The
kind of started with Dana White saying that he was
essentially bullying babies in the boxing game, that Eddie Hearn
and others, Oscar de la Hoya whoever else they were
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in over their heads. They had no idea what they
were doing, and they had no vision, and he was
going to again beat up babies. A bit of a
weird analogy from Dana, but I understood what he meant.
He essentially was saying, this game has been so you know, mismanaged,
run into the ground, that it's going to be very
easy for him to come in and take over.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know if that's the case. We'll see, but
it all seemed like cannon fodder when we heard it. It
seemed like that was just Dana White, you know, talking
some stuff, drumming up some drama between promotions. Turns out
he wasn't just talking because even when Eddie Hearn came
back and you know, through his verbal jabs talking about
how Turkey Ella Shake is Data's daddy and all this,
it seemed like Eddie had all the cards until Dana
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White signs Connor Benn. We saw it a couple of
days ago. The wool pulled over our eyes. We thought
Connor Ben and Eddie Hearn were like this peb and
two p's in a pod, best friends and promoter fighter.
After all, Eddie had been through a lot with Connor
Ben and it stuck by him, through a lot of
bads and negatives. That all are going to come home
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to roost in today's video, because Eddie, after the massive signing,
after the crazy betrayal, after all of the dust is settled,
he has responded in a video titled I Am Devastated.
Eddie Hearn Exclusive reacts to Connor Ben's shock signing with
Dana White. We're gonna take a look at this. This
is my IFL shout out to those guys, and then
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we're gonna take it a step further because not just
Eddie responding to Dana, but Dana had a response for
Eddie that went even more berserk. I'm just gonna give
you a little sneak peek of that. Ain't a White.
Eddie Hearn is the biggest pussy in the world. That's right.
We're at the point now where we're calling each other pussies. Dude,
what is going on? Breakdown? Let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So, I mean, I'll give you the flow to kind
of give us a bit of context around this because yeah,
is in same Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
No, Look, I'm you know, I've known about this for
a few days now what was unfolding. I actually received
an email from Connor Ben's lawyer to make me aware
of it. I'm not gonna sit.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Here, Okay, before we even start, I didn't know this
in my last video that Eddie had known about it.
Maybe even during the timeframe where there was the back
and forth going on between him and Dana, that Eddie
knew that this was about to hit the fan, that
shit was about to hit the fan, which would make
his his response a little more understandable, right he got
you know, Dana kind of went at him first with
(03:37):
the I'm beating up babies, and Dana got personal by saying,
you know, you worked for your dad. But Eddie came
back firing, and maybe that was why It's like, you know,
Eddie was already frustrated and it was it was starting
to go. But maybe that was before Eddie got this news.
And Eddie heard about it like right after, and it's
obviously devastating. But Eddie knew before the news came out.
That's what I wanted to know, because I didn't know
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if it was one of those things where Connor Benn
just went a full WCW. You know, Eric Bischoff's paying
him more money not to say anything to Vince mcmahonon
just no show and then walk on to his show
Lex Luger style. I thought that was what we were
talking about, but Eddie knew.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and hang konor
been out to try, but I've got to be honest
with you.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Me personally pretty devastated. Ah, Like, I've had.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
A few days to digest what might happen, So maybe
this interview is different to what it would have been
a couple of days ago.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And like you you know, I.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Mean, Eddie looks like someone died. And I don't even
mean that hyperbolically. He looks likely. Look at his posture.
We don't ever see Eddie hearn like this, slumped down,
kind of like shoulders down, very soft spoken. I mean
he's clearly it's defeat all over his face, his voice
and then the words themselves. I'm devastating that in one respect.
(04:59):
Is very honest and very honorable that Eddie would be
so vulnerable on camera. But it's also dude, this is
the fight game, and if you show any of these
guys a moment of weakness, they will take it and
run with it. Right if they know that they can
get to you, and they have gotten to you, I
could be looked at his blood in the water and
make no mistake about this. Eddie's not gonna be the
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only guy that gets his fighter taken. I'm gonna tell
you right now. This is an all out war between
ZUFA and everybody else. There's going to be a lot
of fighters jumping ship. I don't know who. I don't
know when when you after a Galla shik Ring magazine
backing ZUFA. Even if they have diverted their investment in
places like Matchroom in other places, I think their chips
(05:42):
are in fully in the pile of ZUFA boxing. They
own like sixty percent of it. Don't don't get it twisted.
Connor's not going to be the last guy to go there.
Who knows who it's gonna be. I've speculated about Shakor Stevenson.
Ryan Garcia will talk more about it in a second.
But Eddie's not going to be the last guy looking
like he lost his puppy.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's not often you get and I blame myself. I
blame myself because I just I forgot it was boxing.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You know, And I was like, I just felt that
the loyalty.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That we've shown would never ever put us in this position.
And I just felt that I never really needed to
push connor Ben to sign a new contract previously, and
I probably could have got him to sign a new
contract previously, but I just and like I said, I
blame myself. I made a mistake because I misjudged the character.
(06:47):
And again, I'm not going to hang him out to
try and he will say it was a big offer, right,
but you know when I received the email.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
We're gonna get to that in a second. So number one,
the biggest yes, Eddie is again he's being transparent here.
I have to give it to him. He made a
massive mistake not re signing connor Ben when he had
the chance to, or you know, restructuring the contract, renegotiating whatever,
and letting connor Ben become a free agent. Thinking that
because connor Ben and him had been through so much
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that was the only thing that was gonna matter. And
Eddie being in this business as long as he's been
in it, that's a flat out mistake. Because what's the
old saying, if you want loyalty, get a dog. Speaking
of boy Rocky's laid out on the floor right here,
in this business, there is no loyalty one. This isn't
a team sport, right. As much as Eddie wants his
fighters to be match room team and all promoters do this.
(07:38):
And I'm not acting like I know more than Eddie
does about promotion. I don't know shit compared to Eddie hearn.
But what I do know is this is an individual sport.
No matter whose promotion company are signed under, the fighters
will always think of themselves first. And we've seen that
with fighters and managers. We've seen it with fighters and
coaches having disputes overpaid. So if there's more money on
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the other side and the grass is greener, you best
believe that fighter is going to look after themselves and
whatever that number is far more than you know, quote
unquote loyalty. And I'm not a fan of it. I
think Eddie deserved better here, just on a human level, right.
I do think that Connor had every right to do
business and go for the best offer, meaning if he
left Eddie, okay, that's business. But it's the way that
we're about to see that Connor Ben handled this that
(08:23):
I think is the wrong way to go about it,
that I think Eddie deserved better for because of the loyalty.
And this is what makes it even more. It makes
it a little grimy, I have to say. And I
love Connor, bed it makes it a little grimy the
way this was handled. As Eddie's about to tell us.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
When I received the email from his lawyer, I text
him and said, I think we should have a call.
I think you for everything I've done for you, I
think you deserve I deserve a call. And he said no,
and I was like, man, fuck, I can't believe it,
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and you know, I just I don't know what to
say of it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Eddie looks like he's legit about to cry right there.
So this is the part that you know, that loyalty
that Eddie thought he deserved and he thought he had
went straight down the drain. And again me on the
outside looking in, this this is a dirty move, but
it's also a business move. So it's like on one hand,
are you mad at Connor Benn for going and getting
fifteen million dollars? And we're gonna find out that, you know,
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Eddie also had a chance to match this number, and
maybe he just couldn't do it right, Maybe he just
couldn't justify it, and therefore he you know, Connor wouldn't
have took that number and Eddie just couldn't match it.
But the idea that Connor wouldn't even get on the
phone with him, right, the idea that Connor wouldn't even
have a call with him to either explain the situation
or to be like, listen, Eddie, we had a good
run and I appreciate everything you've done for me. I'm
(09:47):
gonna go do this. And as we've heard right now
again this is a Chris Mannix report that it's a
one fight deal for fifteen million dollars. That doesn't mean
that Connor Ben could have never come back to match him, right,
If they're that person if that relationship was personable and
as loyal as as Eddie Hearn has thought it was.
But it's the fact that Connor Ben didn't even give
him the courtesy of calling and talking to him about it.
(10:09):
Not that Connor owes him anything, because in this business,
no one owes anyone anything. And if you're Eddie Hern
and you show Connor ben loyalty, you don't do it
expecting anything in return, because that's not what good friends
or good Samaritans or whatever do. They do things out
of the goodness of their heart. And Eddie's showing Connor
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that loyalty, he expected that loyalty back. And again we're
gonna get into the reasons why there were some money
being exchanged. And you know Connor with the ped accusations
and the long sit out and the suspension and the
you know, losing money on fighting the charges and all that.
But when Connor is in contract negotiation, Eddie is not
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owed Connor's services for a lesser price. In my opinion,
he's just owed a phone call, an explanation, and maybe
he's not even owed that. This is boxing. This is
the same business where promoters, sanctioning bodies, managers often screw
their fighters. Right. Rarely will you see the fans back
a promoter over a fighter, because this business has been
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so scummy and so flat out fraudulent to its own fighters.
Or we've seen promoters for years, the don Kings of
the world. I mean, the go back into the early
freaking nineteen hundreds, that the actual mob scamming and robbing fighters,
sanctioning bodies, robbing fighters blind for what, we don't even understand,
pay to play, bullshit in the sport, multiple belts, multiple
(11:34):
interim belts, sanctioning fees, corruption in the whole nine. But
I will say Eddie did a lot right by Connor Ben.
Sure there was a financial means for it. Sure there
was a reason Eddie was doing it so that Connor
would make him a lot of money and make match
him a lot of money and make Connor a lot
of money. He believed in the kid, and they had
this long relationship and I don't know how long Eddie
promoted him, but it was I think it was ten years,
and not even give him the call, And maybe in
Connor's mind he didn't know it to him because he's
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a grown man and so is Connor doing his business.
I don't know. That's tough. Would have given him the
call and said, listen, here's what I'm going to do.
It's going to be uncomfortable, and I just got to
take this. And if if Connor and Eddie are as
close as as Eddie's acting like here, then maybe they
can do business in the future. But Eddie being broken
up like this, I understand it, but in this business,
I mean, it'll endear him to the fans, I don't
know if it'll help him in any business negotiations, especially
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when you've got a shark on the other side, like
Dana White who just took you know, outside of Anthony Joshua,
You're best known fighter.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I just, you know, felt that everything that we gave him,
the loyalty that we gave him, the support we gave him,
would be enough to talk it through or just you know,
get close to a number or but it wasn't. It
wasn't really the interest. So very very surprising, very very painful,
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but just another moment in life that you live and
learn from. I don't really know what to say really.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Just for also, I can't again it tells me that
Eddie was never going to hit fIF Team Mill and
that Connor wasn't interested in, you know, the trying to
talk down to a number that he didn't want. Okay,
you could have said that, right, like Eddie's going to
try to negotiate, He's going to try to keep you.
Eddie clearly can't match fifteen mil, which is what he's
saying without saying. And Connor didn't have to tell him, yes,
I'll do this for less because we were friends, or
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I'll do this for less because of loyalty. Connor simply
could have just said, hey, I'm taking the money and
it's a one fight deal, so let's do business after.
But Eddie, you understand this is life changing money for
me and my family. That's all he needed to do, right,
And then I'm good. I'm good with Connor's decision to
leave that and co take the money, make no mistake
about it. Fend for yourself in this business. Fighters make
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your money. Just again on a moral scale. Not that
any promoters deserve, you know, us weeping over them, but
it would have been nice to get the call.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Feels a little bit of a wasted few years because
I gave a lot. I gave a lot, you know
how hard I thought. You know, when no one believed him,
no one backed him.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I did. I believed him, and.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I backed him, and I never gave in when he
was done out, loaned him hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But yeah, on week can you still work with him?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I mean that, I think who knows what the agreement is.
Like I said, I'm not I'm not gonna, not gonna
sit here, and you know I had some very choice
words with his manager Keith Connelly.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh my guy, Keith. Okay, before we get into that,
Eddie would I think absolutely work with Connor Ben. Again,
I think he would be less of a personal relationship
and more of a business one. But again, this is
the boxing business and if you can't put your personal
feelings aside. For let's say Connor Ben goes to ZUFA,
wins a massive fight, you know, becomes an even bigger star,
and then wants to come back to my I don't
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think that's going to happen, not just because you know,
the bridge may be burned or whatever, but I just
think if ZUFA is offering him fifteen million, that's the
rumor number, and Eddie couldn't match it, then if Connor
you know, performs and does well, how's he going to
match it? After Let's say Connor wins a fight and
then renegotiates for a higher number than that, Eddie couldn't
give him the fifteen to start with, or wasn't willing to.
(15:21):
So is he going to give him more? And obviously
if he loses, you know, we'll see. But I don't
I could see a future where they work together. I
could just it would be you know, strictly business. Which
again maybe that's something that Eddie is learning again that
every promoter's different. But maybe you shouldn't be as close
to the fighters because it does hurt if you feel
like you're close to someone and they leave you right
if you feel like But then again, other people like
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can do a business where like Eddie, they want to
be close to the fighter so that they can promote
the fighters properly. They know him very well, they know
what they want, they know what their career aspirations are,
they know their heart, they know their family. That's a
way of doing it too. But yeah, I think that
this other part where Eddie's talking about how much he
loaned Connor money and you know, yeah, let's be honest
(16:02):
about it. When Connor Ben was going through that explanations
for what happened with him and you know, him popping
for the drug tests, Eddie was kind of the only
guy in the UK that stood his ground on you know,
talkSPORT with Simon Jordan. Every time they went at it,
Eddie would just he would back his guy. And apparently
he gave him money to you know, live on and
maybe even pay some of those legal fees with right,
(16:25):
who knows, but hundreds of thousands of dollars you invest
into the guy. And yes, and again, I know that
Eddie's doing it so that he can get returned, so
that he can bring Connor back, so Connor can make
Matchroom more money. I know how the business works, but
I don't know if Eddie ever got that money back.
I don't know. I don't know how much Eddie invested
and lost on Connor Ben versus got even with the
last two U Bank fights. Point being, Eddie didn't have
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to do that, right, Eddie as the promoter, didn't have
to help Connor fight legal fees and you know all
these allegations and all that, or even really go to
bat for him the way he did because people were
running Eddie down pretty heavy for it, and he chose
to And that's I guess why not even I guess
that's why Eddie feels like it's a slap in the face.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Oh keithy baby does it again, and Connor's I don't know.
Sometimes you live in that world and you just lose
your head a little bit, you know, you just kind
of lose an understanding of reality and what's right. I'm
wrong and I just feel it the way that it
was done was very, very wrong. But that's just my opinion.
And here he might say, yeah, but it was a
lot of money, it was, you know, And but you know,
(17:29):
but like I said, everyone's different, aren't they everyone. Some people,
loyalty really matters, other people maybe not.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
So your understanding.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Of yeah, I would have loved to have been a
fly on the wall for the conversation between Eddie Hern
and Keith Kindly. I like Keith a lot. I like
Eddie a lot, But again, it's a business. It is
a business, and Keith treats it like a business, and
so does Eddie. But when the money's on the table,
how much does that loyalty really mean? Right? In this
business where one fight can end your career, that money
is going to allway mean more, right, It's just the truth.
(18:02):
Kinna get handled it better. But I don't blame him
at all for going for money.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
What that financial deal was for Connor. I'm sure you
have a rough figure of what it was. Is there
any way that you could have countered it or kind
of got close.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
To where that was?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
We reply, we actually a part of the deal. I
think we would have got quite close to it. But
I think by then it was just the way that
it played out. You know, it was like to receive
an email from the lawyer and then to ask for
a call and not get you know, the willingness to
have a call.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I think by then it was just like you kind
of lose a little bit of your soul to it,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Where it's like, wow, I really lost a lot of
my soul during that two year period, do you know
what I mean? It was pretty brutal. And I'm like,
so at the moment, it's just digesting it.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know, he's talking here. It sounds like once he
got the news that they were either considering or going
to go with this uh offer from ZUFA, Eddie felt
so betrayed that he didn't even try to like counter it,
or maybe he was going to, but then he's lost,
you know, he was just like all right, I'm I
just I'm so shocked by this that I don't even
I don't even care, or like, I just don't even
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want to and they're like on the on Connor side,
they're like halfway out the door already. So do we
even do I even want to fight this type of thing?
Do I even want him back? If it's going to
take all this And in a moment the money came,
he was out of here. Again. That's up for Eddie
to decide. But this is the business of box and
they were playing probably both sides against each other with
already having the Zufa deal, Eddie, can you do something better?
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If not, we're going this way, that's business. Eddie obviously
taken back by the fact that he was even talking
to Zufa. But uh, yeah, man, this is rough to watch.
I'm sorry, and I'm not even I'm not smiling because
I like to see this. I I genuinely think Eddie's
a good dude, but this is rough to see. Man,
Eddi's got to pick himse up against the stones on
him for doing this interview and being so vulnerable. That's good,
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but you have to think you're up against the titan
right now, dude. And I'm not talking just about Dana White.
I'm talking about the entire machine over at ZUFA and
what they want to do. And if you sit here
and wallow in it, they're going to pick the bones
because this business, as Eddie knows, is ruthless.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
A cynic would say that the timing of you're back
and forth with DANEA. White in the last few days, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It was kind of this.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
This was kind of before that, if I'm honest, but
definitely part of the reason. I mean, Connor has been
used as a pawn in that respect, and that's that's
just the business. And he will say, yeah, I mean,
like you know, i'd say from his response, he's I
don't mean he feels like he's done anything wrong really,
So that's him as a person, and I don't like say,
each to their own, it's a bit of a different
(20:50):
situation what we've done.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
If I'm honest, Yeah, again, I can't sit here and
say that Connor did anything wrong for taking fifteen million
dollars for one fight. If that's the number, I can't wrong.
I can't say he's wrong for that. I can say
he's wrong for not giving Eddie the call and at
least letting him know, this is what we're doing. If
you can't match it, Eddie, it's nothing personal, but I
have to take this. This is life changing money and
we can still do business after right one fight deal.
(21:16):
I could still come back and do business then. And
Eddie's done that with other guys before. I think he
did this with Devin Hainey. I'm pretty sure. So yeah,
I think that's just the only real, like logical way
to look at this. It's like, you can't fault Connor
beIN for going and taking that kind of money, fault
him for not letting Eddie know, or not getting on
the phone and having a conversation man to man, whatever,
can't you can't fault him for actually going over and
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doing it.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I don't think this has got nothing to do with
my comments yesterday because this was days before that. But
it's all part of the game, you know, and obviously
Turkey Faina, you know, all that kind of stuff. But
I said, you you know this is going to be
a long war. But there's certain like I said, I'll
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blame myself. I got the character wrong. I took the
loyalty for granted because of what I did, and I
shouldn't have done that, and I've made that mistake before
him boxing, but I just didn't expect it from Connabn. So,
you know, yeah, like I said, maybe maybe he's not
quite the person I thought he was. I don't know,
(22:19):
but look, well maybe we'll talk in the future.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
But what can I say.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
He's hurt, man, He's.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Hurt that Connobn was your kind of second most valuable
asset to match.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think as in the noise that
he creates. You know, he's a good fighter, of course
he is.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Obviously, We've got a number of fighters that are world
champions and unified champions, and but you know, Joshua, you can't.
You can't mention those two in the same thing for
many many reasons. But Joshua's a different breed of class
and loyalty, and you know, yeah, Joshua is one of
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a cunt. Joshua is someone that even if I made
the mistake of trusting that loyalty, it would never be
a mistake.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
With him because he's cut from a different cloth.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But there we go.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's life.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Geez. Man, He's being honest now, He's like, listen, this
guy's a He's not saying it, but he's saying his
dude's a comeback. That's what he's saying about Connor Vett.
He's his comeback. And I think he's right though, that
Anthony Joshua would never, you know, turn his back on Eddie,
even when Joshua was over there on MVP, and I
think everybody knows how MVP feels, or you know, Nikisa
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and Eddie had their kind of back and forth. Joshua
was shouting out Eddie Hearn the entire time in match
room and the whole deal. So all right, there it is,
there's Eddie. You know, it's a sad watch. I'll be
honest with you, it's a very very sad watch to
see Eddie Hearn just shocked and bewildered. I don't think
there's many times in the boxing game where you see
it promote or caught so off guard like he is
(24:02):
in that statement, and everybody was, Let's be honest, no
one knew this was coming down the line. And I'm
telling you now, I'll keep telling you that it's only
the first domino. And you know Eddie said that that
Connor Benn is a pawn. Yeah, he's a fifteen million
dollar pond. But there's gonna be more pieces on the
chess board, and now is the time. I think everybody
should be nervous. I think Oscar de la Hoya should
be nervous. I think Eddie should be nervous for other people,
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either on his roster or people that he advises. Like
I said, I'm looking at Shagar Stevenson, I'm looking at
potential opponents for Connor Ben. I'm looking at Tafi Molpez right,
I'm looking at Ryan Garcia. All these guys at play
right now. I know Ryan is still apparently under contract
with Golden Boy. I don't know the situation for guys
like te O or Devin or even Shakor. I know,
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you know, Eddie serves in a I think an advisor
role for Sakor, but I don't, I don't. I don't
want to speak out of turn. I don't know what
his deal is there. But there's a lot of people,
and Connor Ben's gonna need a big time opponent. Becauzuva's
gonna want to make a big splash, even outside of
the welterweight division, or you know, around one hundred and four,
there are gonna be other guys all across boxing, they
have Jio Pattiyah and I'm telling you they're just getting started.
(25:06):
So here's Dana White after hearing that that outpouring of
emotion from Eddie again rightfully, so Eddie's entitled to feel
how he wants. Here is Dana responding to those comments.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
And a quick one un boxing Connor ben an amazing
signing Phsy for boxing. How long was that deal in
the works? And did you know about it when you
were saying beating up babies?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Did I know about it?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
When?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
What did you know about it?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
When you were saying you were beating up babies?
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Well, I think you saw this week I am really
beating up babies. Is there a bigger pussy than Eddie Hearn?
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
God?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And this is why I say, as much and as
human and as honest as Eddie Hearn was in that
entire video we just saw with him in IFL TV,
in five seconds, Dana White makes him look like I
don't even know what, like a like a overly emotional
wreck that's reading too much into business and making too
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many things personal that are strictly business. I don't agree.
I think Eddie had a right to feel the way
he felt. But in about one sentence, is there a
bigger pussy in the world than Edie heard? He Na
is calling out his manhood, saying, what are you upset about?
This is business, dude, and he's doing it in a
bombastic way. And the last time, I'll just say this,
I don't know anything, but the last time Dana was
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very bombastic with Eddie Hearn and this has been building.
You guys, go back to my interview with Dana White
a couple of months ago where I brought up it
was the day after Eddie had kind of started to
poke to bear with Dana. And one thing you don't
do with Dana. He is not like these other boxing
promoters that'll just go back and forth in the media
and you guys can get the verbal rounds of sparring off.
While you're doing the verbal sparring, Dana's working behind the
scenes trying to pull fighters, trying to wreck your business.
(26:48):
That's how he gets back the media shots. Yeah, he'll
do those too, but he'll also try to shut your
entire business down. He was very successful at it in
an mma. Boxing's a different animal. I know that. I'm
just saying, if you thought this was something you haven't
been following Dana White or his MMA platitudes for the
last ten years. And so when he comes out and
doubles down, laying the gauntlet down with this one.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Is there a bigger pussy than Nettie Hearn?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
When he drops that one on you, you better be
ready for wartime because this means that Dana's just starting
to warm up and he's not just coming for connor Ben.
He's coming to take it all.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
He was quite upset that connor Ben left him.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Is there a bigger pussy than Nettie Hearn? This guy's
supposed to be your friend. You're fucking crying. He made
more money, He's gonna make more money, and he had
the right to match it. He could have matched it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
True.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I think he said he tried and connor Ben wouldn't
return his cools.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
What a crock of shit.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
Yeah, we're literally beating up babies.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Look at the look in his eyes.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Look at the look in Dana's eyes. Son, Do you
think he's playing a game? Do you think he cares
about how his relations are with fighters and being personable? No, dude,
He's ready for blood. Nick con Dana Turkella shake, I'm
just telling you guys what I'm seeing. They are not
playing around with these motherfuers. Eddie Oscar, Frank Warren, Al
Hayman better beyond their shit his wartime. And something else
(28:11):
that's interesting is Dana said, that's supposed to be your friend,
and you're out here crying about it when he's making
more money and you had the opportunity to match it.
This tells me once again that Eddie was never gonna
be able to match the fifteen, which you know, it's
like the New York Yankees. If you can't beat them,
join them. There's no way that some of these Major
League Baseball teams can match what the Yankees can throw
(28:33):
at some of the best players. So they're called the
Evil Empire because yeah, of course you're gonna get the
best guys all on one team because you can afford it.
Eddie can't. Dana has the backing again. I think the
chips on the table on the side of Zufa boxing
from Turkella Shake and the Ring and Sella. It's just
the reality of the situation. They have more money to
spend and they're going to need to make some big,
(28:53):
big signings, so they're gonna throw a lot of money
out there to make sure they get those signed again.
One fight deal, we'll see how it goes. But they
are not playing around, dude. That's all Dana had to say.
Notice it wasn't very again optically right on the business
side of things. Direct call out Eddie Hearn big pussy
Eddie is not okay. He's like, you're supposed to be
this dude's friend. You're you're mad at him, You're upset
(29:14):
at him for making more money. Again, kind of twisting
the context, but doing it very sharp and very quick.
Had an opportunity to match it. Why didn't you match it?
If that's your boy? Again, very quick and kept it
all strictly. This is why we got him on to
the next And again, you guys can think that Dana
White's a piece of shit. You can think that Dana
White's making a mistake paying for Connor Bran fifteen million dollars,
And to be honest, it is kind of a slap
(29:35):
of the face to UFC fighters that are like what
the Sean Strickland probably just fought for seven hundred and
fifty thousand this weekend and Connor band just got fifteen
million for one fight. I think there's only a handful
of fighters in UFC history that have ever made that
for one fight in the UFC, right, like Connor Habib,
maybe John Jones, maybe Ronda Rousey, maybe Brockles, maybe Chail
and Anderson the first or second pay per view, But
(29:57):
nobody else is making that kind of money. So you
bring that point up, and I think yead he has like, yeah,
UFC fighters are going to take that as a slap
in the face. The thing is Danvia don't give a shit.
He's going to keep doing it. You better find another
plan of attack because if you can't match him financially,
I don't know what you can do. Here's Connor ben
on his decision. There's a couple of videos will take
a look out of here. Here's the first one that
started to make him think differently about what he wanted
(30:17):
to do with his career.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Spent some time with my girl Catto in Germany. He's
one of my heroes by the way, he's like the
girl cos just the g and he had said to me,
I said, so like, you're like, my hero's gone. Why
Why why am I your hero? I was like, you're
just my favorite fire. He's gone. And then he pulled
me aside and then had a word with me, and
he said, he the belts, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Me nothing.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
You want to make sure and he has like this
voice when he talks, he's you want to make sure
the best decision you made. It's a decision you made
for the best interest of your kids. That's your legacy.
Your legacy is your kids. And when I look back
in ten fifteen years time ago, I made the right
decision for my kids and my family.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yes I do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I've been telling you guys this more and more. I
don't want to be the person that's yelling the belts
don't mean anything. The belts don't mean anything because world
championship belts do mean something, or they are supposed to
mean something. They're supposed to mean you're the best in
the world. That is what legacy is. And yes, Floyd
Mayweather has said it many times. Legacy won't feed my kids, right,
Legacy won't pay my bills. And we're seeing that with
Floyd now. Apparently he paid so much money outside of
(31:20):
the ring and lost a lot of it that he's
having to come back and fight. Not only the Mike
Tyson Exhibition, which is a sham. But also he's going
to put his pro record on the line. If that
don't tell you Floyd Mayweather's broke, I don't know what will.
But you're hearing this more and more from fighters now
that they aren't necessarily caring about these belts right the
way that the World championships in boxing right now are introduced,
(31:40):
are implemented and how the system works, because it used
to be those belts meant more money. Right, you win
a belt, either pay per view, showtime, HBO, whatever, you
are then in turn going to make more money. You're
top of the card. The pay structure in boxing is
a lot of money at the top of the card
and nothing underneath it. That's changing, and all of a sudden,
the four belts the sanctioning bodies don't mean as much,
and fighters from Connor, Ben Shakor Stevenson to Parence Crawford
(32:04):
to Keyshawn Davis to Jo Pataiah and Moore are signaling
this same sentiment. I think boxing and the sanctioning bodies
all thought that, well, these fighters will stay because the
legacy of the WBC belt, the legacy of the Green Belt,
the legacy of the WBO, the WBA, the legacy legacy.
No fighters want to be world champions, but it doesn't
mean they have to fight for your belt to get
(32:25):
That doesn't mean your belt signifies world champion. It does
for now, and I'm telling you this zoofa move and yeah, okay,
the zuofa boxing belt. We'll see how much that means.
But it's not about that. It's that belt, the Ring
Magazine belt, the belt that was given to the baddest
man in the division wasn't controlled by a sanctioning body.
That's the belt that fighters look at historically as the
world champion. And if ZUFA has their way, creating a
(32:48):
boxing league and being a boxing promotion and intertwining those things,
that's the way it's going to go. I think fighters
are okay with it as long as that price tag
shows that they're treated like the best in the world.
And that's what everybody's missing about the belt talk right now. Yeah,
I think there's way too many belts in boxing and
creating a zofa belt doesn't help that. But if creating
a zoofa league and using the Ring Magazine belt as
(33:08):
the championship and doing away with the bureaucratics for sanctioning
bodies as if they have any real power other than
setting rankings and demanding a fee for their winners, just
like a league would do. And we condense things into
one champion over this many divisions. I gotta say that
seems like a more efficient way of running boxing than
what we currently have. It seems like fighters are starting
to think the same. Last video here, here's Connor speaking
(33:31):
on the way things went down with Eddie Hearn. This one,
I think is going to reveal a lot about Connor
and how he handled the situation, which again I think
was not done.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Very well obviously.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
There the elephant in the room is is my left
mantriump just your kind of reflection on that period of time.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Yeah, Ultimately, listen, my career is based on matchrom you know,
they are the foundation of what I am today. You know,
I've gone nothing but love Freddy of our Citi to
be part of my team in my corner, still with
me because the Johnny's Narva, a friendship with Eddie, So
you know, I'm forever grateful. I'm also excited about the
future and what it brings.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You know, for me, I've got family, I've got my
own kids, I.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Want my family to be blessed, and the decision I
made is purely for my family.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You know, Miguel Carter once said to me, what's your legacy?
I've gone here? You're my hero, You're you're this, and
you're that. You know he's gone. Why I've gone? You
a great fight? You want all the belts he's done.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
The belts don't mean nothing. Your kids are your legacy.
You want to look back in the future and go
was the decision. I made the best decision for my kids.
This is by far the best decision for my family,
because I'm not going to refuse the deal for somebody's ego,
because when I'm said and done and retired, who's going
to care about me?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Like all the other great world champions? Sometime living in carbon.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I don't I don't listen. I don't hate what Connor's
saying here, This right here is the perfect rationale to
make the decision he made. Although you know saying a Eddie,
I still want you to be a part of my team,
be in my corner. Carry the bags. He didn't say that,
but that's it's kind of what he's said, Eddie. You
could carry the bags dude, that is crazy work. You know, Eddie,
I still want you to be a part of the team,
(35:07):
still my guy. Not now, dude, he can't say that now.
Can you imagine Eddie walks into the ring anyway after
getting done dirty?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think that that again, Connor made the right decision
for him and his family, if this is truly what
he values now, if he took what Miguel Coto said
and just took it to heart, and he's right. You know,
there are some guys that won all the belts, or
you know, won some of the belts, was a world champion,
or not living a great life now, can't afford certain things,
can't even afford to live, didn't manage their money correctly.
And I I fully agree with the decision he made
(35:38):
for himself, his family, all of that. I get it.
But it could have been handled better. And I think
Connor knows that, And that's going to be the hardest
part for him to admit, is that he didn't. He
didn't handle it the right way. Not that he owes
Eddie anything for all the things that he did for him,
but I just think that he could have gave him
a call.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And you still want that my friend.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
He's my Guyhea, He's ultimately should be happy for me
to I'm in this position, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I want him to be part of me. You know
I'm missing Doty s and Eddie. I want to be
part of the team. Man here, the journey's not done.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Everything to them does want you to be a part
of the team. The journey's not done. Yeah, I mean,
if that was the case and this was the sentiment,
I don't understand why Connor wouldn't just get on the
phone and say this to Eddie. He said he messaged
him that again. If if it's me looking on the
outside and it looks like this is Connor speaking to
Eddie through the cameras and not speaking to Eddie directly,
(36:29):
I don't know the situation. The way Eddie reacted was
not like Connor and him are still homies, are cool.
I think that Bridge is probably burned personally right this
whole like we're buddies, we're friends. He's my guy. Connor
may believe that. It's clear that Eddie doesn't. So they're
not guys, they're not boys. It's going to be very
difficult for Eddie to to part of the team. I
don't even know what that means. Like now Eddie's taking
(36:51):
marching orders from Dana White, like no, dude, that to me,
that seems like Connor, you know, kind of running defense
for how he handled the situation. And again I think
there's just no other way to look at it. Then
he didn't handle it very well, and that's that's just
the truth. You left Eddie to go to ZUFA, that's fine,
But the betrayal is the idea that you did it
kind of in the shrouded darkness. That's where Eddie is like, Okay,
that's his character, right, didn't have to go with Eddie,
(37:13):
didn't have to stay with Mattroom and have to remain
loyal or whatever. She at least should have given him
the call.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
It looked like for Connordan, the super boxing and the
future looks like exciting fights in the UK, in the US,
the big fighters, it'll be easy to get it made
and ultimately.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Money, money always talks, and you know they maybe enough.
I could not refuse me, I mean could not refuse.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
What are the big fights?
Speaker 9 (37:40):
Who are the names that you've.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Got Garcia front run Off, you have Haini, you have
shkor you have Rollie.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
There's names out there, there's big names over here in America.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
For me, listen, I want to get back down to
one point seven on to make sure that I follow
appropriate manner of getting my weight down. What that means
having to tick over in the meantime, ultimate, I want
to give the fans the fights they want.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I want to deliver entertainment to the public. I'm a
servant in the public. This is what I'm here to do.
He's give you, guys, the biggest fights possible, the biggest.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I agree with him. He is definitely you know, the fights.
The public likes when he fights. The public is not
going to like him after this, but they will like
when he fights. And I also think that he said
something in there that maybe kind of went over people's heads.
He's the money will always talk, and he was talking
about himself, but he was also talking about some of
these opponents. How the fights are going to get made.
That's the big question we have right now. How are
(38:30):
these fights even going to get made? Kind of answered
it right there, and I think he knows a little
bit more than he's saying when he says the money
always talks.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
What did you make of pressure your banks kind of
from today?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Do you think that? Actually? Not on social media? So
I don't really. I've actually been open the Socialist for
a week ten days, you know.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
So ultimately, if he's been piping up and needs to
just go and cry about wherever he's got.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Going on, you know, like go and get another test
that I'm saying of what was it he had ibs?
He's probably upset about that.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Still, well, Connor, you guys didn't know Chrissy Bake Junior
has been roasting both Connor and Eddie like he's been
calling Connor a scumback for leaving Eddie, but Eddie was
a scumback too. He's just he's been on Twitter all
day since this happened two days for flying to Connor
replying to Eddie. It's been very funny. It's been good Banner.
But yeah, that's again, I think that's Connor just trying
(39:25):
to like no, didn't see it, don't care about it.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
It's gonna be interesting when he gets in a press
conference with somebody that tries to use this and weaponize
it against him, like, look at how much of a
scumbag you are? Doda U? Not that it will matter
because I think at this point Connor has been through
the ringer with Chris Youbank talking crazy shit and he's
been able to handle that. So we'll see. But yeah,
it's been a funny, funny couple of days on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Before I know you go.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Do you have a message to first Day Eddie and
Mantram for everything over the last year.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
Grateful, fever, appreciative and I could have been more happy
with the job they've done with me.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
And ultimately I'm excited for the future, and this is
the future. I think everybody can respect the.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Decision that I've made for my family above anybody and
everybody else. My family comes first every day of the week.
And as I said twice on Sundays, without shadow of
it down.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I don't again, I can't. I can't hate the decision.
I just don't think again, the way he handled it
was anywhere closed. I don't even want to look at
the commentsant Eddie is my guy, but I won't take
a phone call from him. He can read a letter
from my lawyers and be happy for me. That is
the crazy part. Yeah, this guy, Timmy has got it
nailed down in the comments. That's the crazy part. If
that's your guy, give him a call, right, if that's
(40:33):
your dude, and y'all are homies like that. And again
it's just business. It is just strictly business, and that's
your friend, and the relationship's personal and all that which
we saw it was in calling, right, that's all you
had to do. And again, I like Connor. I've met Connor,
spoken with him, great dude, always appreciative of his time.
But this is a clear cut one for me, right,
and I think if everybody else too. But this is
(40:54):
where the genius in this move lies for Connor. If
he can take it down this route, he can become
one of the biggest villains in boxing, one of the
most watched but most hated, most wanted to see get
knocked out, but also put on entertaining and hard nose,
scrap like fights, which may earn him some fans back.
I don't know, but he can run with this and
(41:14):
become like a super villain in boxing, and boxing needs villains.
Look at the Devin Haney situation with Ryan Garcia. They
made Devon into a villain and all he did was
show up to fight, you know what I'm saying. And
then they made Ryan Garcia the villain. It became an
interesting side quest and an interesting side bar from watching
them fight. You get these personalities in boxing and it
(41:35):
creates stars. This move to Zufa, I think is going
to get more attention on him, Maybe not the one
he wants, but that's what the public saw. The way
you handle the situation, You're now one of the biggest,
if not the biggest villain in boxing. I think he
should run with it. But there it is crazy what's
happening in the sport right now. But remember when I
told you this is a crazy situation and definitely a
(41:57):
betrayal of trust or whatever loyalty from Connor to Eddie.
He did Eddie wrong here by not giving him the call. Again,
I don't have any problem with Connor taking fifteen million dollars.
Every fighter should get their bag. But I'm telling you this,
he will not be the last. I think it's going
to be all out free for all on some of
the biggest names in the sport, and it's gonna happen
sooner than later. What do I mean, who's it gonna be?
(42:18):
I don't have those answers, but folks, like I said
in the last video, boxing is in an all out war.
Who wins? I guess we'll find out
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