August 9, 2024 • 42 mins
I don’t know about you all, but I’m still unpacking all the feels from Inside Out 2, from the realistic depiction of anxiety attacks to seeing new emotions show up as main character Riley steps into her teenage years. Joining me today to explore some of the major themes featured in the movie is our Therapist Support Specialist and head of the TBG Thrive Tribe, Licensed Associate Professional Counselor, Gorgeous West. And, as a special treat, my two sons also joined me to offer their perspectives on the film as well.
We discussed the scenes that stuck with us the most from the film, how therapists can reference the film to break down tough emotional concepts with clients, plus analyze the film’s most central character, Anxiety.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, a weekly
conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small
decisions we can make to become the best possible versions
of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford,
a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or
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a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much
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for joining me for this special wellness episode of Therapy
for Black Girls. We'll get right into our conversation afterword
from our sponsors. I don't know about you all, but
I'm still unpacking all that was showcased in the recent
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Inside Out to movie, from the realistic depiction of anxiety
attacks to seeing new emotions show up as main character
Riley steps into her teenage years. Joining me today to
explore some of the major themes featured in the movie
is the head of the TVG Thrive Tribe and licensed
associate professional counselor, Gorgeous West and As a special bonus,
(01:40):
I also passed the mic to my two little ones,
Jackson and Julian, to get their perspectives on the film
as well. During our conversation, we discussed the scenes that
stuck with us the most from the film, how therapists
can reference the film to break down tough emotional concepts
with clients and analyze the film's most central character, anxiety.
(02:01):
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at community dot therapy for Blackgirls dot com. Here's our conversation. Well, Gorgeous,
(02:22):
I am so glad to be chatting with you again.
I feel like it's always fun when you can join
me for some of the pop culture. What are we watching?
What's going on as a fellow therapist, because I think
we often are watching things and reading things with a
little bit of a different lens. So I'm excited for
you to join me today to talk a little bit
about inside out too. So you had a chance that
(02:43):
we did a partnership with Disney, of course, to promote
the movie, and you had a chance to go to
one of the very early screenings here in Atlanta. It
was a fun activity. So tell us a little bit
about the screening that you actually participated in.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, so the screening was amazing. I feel me in
my We all went. They had a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Of activations and games that were influenced by the movie.
They had a street hockey activation for the kids to
d street hockey.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
They had snacks, they had a DJ, they.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Had snow cones, had a lot of merge, so they
gave our hats while all of the characters on there.
They gave our beach towels and t shirts and water bottles.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So that was like the outside part of it. And
then they brought us into the theater and they had
free possessions for everyone. And once we got our consessions
and snacks, we went to the.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Theater and they had another DJ in there giving everyone
excited and ready for the movie and.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Asking all the attendees and the children.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
If they knew about the different or the new emotions
that were to be added.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So it was pretty cool hearing the kids'.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Guests which emotions that they were looking forward to seeing
in the movie. So after that the lights dim and
the movie started, and it was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Literally saw some adults in their patner eyes a little
bit while watching the film, and I had to pull
myself out of being in therapist mom because I was like, oh,
my goodness, there's so much happening in this movie, and
I didn't want to like psycho analyze it in that moment.
I just wanted to be present with it and then
think about it as the days came by.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, and you left the theater and immediately text like,
that was so good. We have to do a conversation
about this. But at the time I had not seen it,
and then when I saw it, I completely understood why
you felt like we needed to talk about it. I'm
also somebody who had not seen Inside Out one or
I don't remember. The kids say that we watched it together,
but I just don't remember. So after I saw Inside
(04:42):
Out two, I came home and watched Inside Out one
and I was like, oh, Okay, now I get what
people were raving about. So tell me what felt so
inspiring or what pulled you to feel like, Okay, we
absolutely have to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
On the podcast, So I think thing, the emotions show
up in the controls and my aspect of it because
I really like how they showed that essentially because I
never thought about it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Like that, and sometimes it can be like the most
simplings things to help explain emotions to people, and how like.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What emotion is taking over, what emotion is at the
control board, and like running the show. I thought that
was like a good visualization of.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It as well as just anxiety, the depiction of how
anxiety show that the language, just how it was just
like running the show and literally running rightly. I thought
that they executed that very well. It was relatable, especially
like the thoughts, the projections and all of those things.
(05:44):
So I thought that that part alone is what sold me, like, Okay,
we need to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I agree, And I think as therapists it is
often hard sometimes to give language to these things that
often feel very difficult to describe or it is more
of a few kind of thing. But to see it
depicted as you mentioned as a control center. And the
point that I also really love is this idea that
they're all there right, so maybe there is one that
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is trying to you know, operate the control center at
a certain time more than others, but that they are
all useful, that there is a place for everybody in
the control center, so to speak. I also agree that
it is a great depiction, and I think gives language.
And of course this is the thing that like Disney
and Pixel do an excellent job of is of course
it's a movie geared towards kids, but as adults, there
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are so many things that you can take from it,
and I think it really helps to give children language
for emotions and things like that may be very difficult
or that maybe we did not grasp until we were
much older in life.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Another thing I thought that was really cool was the
core beliefs, so like how those memories were the balls, right,
I thought that that was well detated. Oh that makes
so much sense, and like our joy was like, oh,
this is not a good memory, so she just shot
it all the way in the back. It was like
there's some to go in the back in the long
term memory where they don't even think about it. So
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I thought that that was well done as well. Like
I really loved that part of it that was Chef's kiss.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, I love that too, And I think again going
back to the idea of every emotion has a place,
like joy of course being the joy emotion, wanting to
handpick the memories that she thought Riley should have because
of course her kind of driving force is to make
sure that everything feels pleasant all the time. But then
when we realize, Okay, you've put so much back there
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that like you are digging for the memories, and can
there actually be space for things that maybe are not
so pleasant to coexist with even the more memorable or
the more pleasant memories, And how all of that is
really needed for us to establish both a sense of
self and these core beliefs that these ideas that we
have about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yes, And I think like how they showed how Joye
just wanted to hold that one version of Riley like no,
this is who she is, and not allowing all of
her to be present, like Okay, well this is the
best version of her.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
We can't change.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And I think that with anxiety coming around, Anxiety was like, no,
we're going to shake this stuff up, We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Change yeah, right, yeah, Because I didn't necessarily have the
context of having or at least remembering seeing the first
one before the second one, I also was really pleased,
and it made a lot of sense that we saw
these new emotions show up as Riley is entering her
teenage years, right, because so the anxiety, the on wei,
(08:43):
which is the boredom, and I think what was the
big guy? Was he embarrassment? Embarrassment? So it felt very
fitting that these are the emotions. Though they may have
been there a little bit when she was younger, this
is a time during teenage and young adolescence where we
see these emotions become more prevalent. So what did you
(09:05):
feel like as somebody who did remember seeing the first one,
and how did you feel about these new emotions being
added for this new movie.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I thought it was appropriate, like you said, in the
sense of her age and like socially, like she's more
concerned about her peers and how she's seen outwardly, right,
So it wasn't necessarily about.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Like her parents and like making our parents happy. It
was more so.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
About Okay, how am I going to fit into this
new school, this new setting, with this new team, and
like all the things that goes on with their transition.
I thought it was very timely that those emotions introduced
themselves into the scene and then identifying, Okay, well, how
do they now incorporate with what has already been there,
right with the joy, fear of sadness, and anger, and
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we also forgot about envy and he was also a
new emotion as well. So I thought it was like
that transition and like showing the spotlight on them that
she navigated through the challenges was spot on.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Mm hm. So I've seen a lot of other therapists
talk about like how they have maybe even used inside
Out as a part of their work with clients. Is
this something that you had used before? And if so,
like what kinds of interventions are you pulling from the
movie to be applicable to client work?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Great question.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
So before no, I had not used it, But afterwards
so many of my clients were bringing the movie and
talking about how they went to see the movie into sessions.
So we definitely broke down and a lot of them
connected with anxiety, experiencing panic attacks and what that looked like.
They also talked about the projection of trying to like
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think of all the worst outcomes, so that really aligned
with a lot of them too, and essentially we identified
ways to cope with it, like how at the end
of the movie joy towd anxiety here, glad to see
drinking little juice and sit in this area that just
relax And so essentially the clients giving them the language
like Okay, well, who's that the control center? How are
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we going to navigate this? What are your coping skills
that you can implement in this moment to help you
navigate through this? Or you know, essentially a lot of
times with anxiety is okay, they think something is wrong?
So really is something wrong? Are you in danger? Like
how can you look at the whole setting in your
environment to really assess if anxiety is doing too much
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in this moment or can they take the back seat.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Another thing I do with clients that I like that
this movie did was recognize in the other emotions.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
So yes, you can feel anxiety that it doesn't have
to have the stage like like who else is on
the stage? How can we pull from those other feelings
in this moment? So I reference this movie a lot
now after seeing it. I always ask my clients like
did you see inside out to yet? Like before I
go there with them. For those who have seen it,
(11:51):
I talk through and they understand. For those who haven't.
I reference the first one just to kind of give
some language a little bit, but most of them have
seen it and they're able to connect with what I've
shared with them for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The other thing that I thought was really really cute
about how they showed emotions, and I definitely can see
like how this is so applicable to client work, especially
because it feels like it's another version of like the
feelings short, right, you know, like you can associate or
connect with the characters. What I also loved was that
each person had their own little like slate of characters
(12:29):
in their head that look like them, right, So I
love that like her dad had his own set of
like emotion characters in his head that looked like him,
and Mom had the same, which I just thought was
really cool that they also depicted it like this is
not just an internal experience for you, Like we all
have these little characters in our heads, and we all
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have the same little slate of people. So when you
talk to the beginning about like seeing adults becoming like
emotional in the movie, that definitely was me And I'm
trying to remember it exactly when I started becoming tearful,
though it doesn't take much for me ever to be
tearful in a movie most times. But I found I
was very, very moved by the scene where she's having
(13:11):
the panic attack at the skating rink and you can
see then in the control room, like anxiety spinning out
of control basically, and I thought that was such a
beautiful depiction, one of what a panic attack actually looks
like and feels like for somebody who's experiencing it, but
also about how much of anxiety is also like a
(13:34):
fear right that the anxiety character we see she's spinning
out of control, and Joy realizes, oh my gosh, so
much of this is really her being afraid and just
not wanting to mess up and wanting things to go well.
And I don't think we always can see anxiety as
that until I thought the movie did a really good
job of displaying that from lots of different angles. Yes, yes,
(13:57):
I think one of the quotes because I think that
where a lot of people connected with so like we
go on to aktocker social media, you don't see like
people doing stages of content around that moment, And I
think one thing anxiety the same She said I was
just trying to protect her.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I didn't mean to do any harm. I was just
trying to keep her safe. And it's just like it
wasn't needing in that moment or not to that degree.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, And I think that that is helpful to think about. Like,
I think that is often the role anxiety has in
our life is that it is trying to protect us
from something. But I think as therapists we are often
asking like do you still need that protection? And if so,
do you still need it in that way?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like doctor Hodge, I think uses the example when talking
about anxiety about it often feels like you're running from
a bear, But is the bear there all the time
or can we release and relax some of that. So
I just thought it was such a good job of
depicting like what a panic attack feels like, and how
anxiety is often trying to protect us from things.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I think to your point, doctor Joy, of part that
really hippy.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
In my heart was when Joy said maybe this is
what happens when you.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Grow up you feel less joy, And I was like,
do we do we feel?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think a lot of us do feel that way.
I think a lot of us do feel that way.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That really hit home because essentially, I think that's why
a lot of people are trying to connect with they're
in their child and find that sense of joy or
care freeeness as adults because so much is put on
as like responsibilities and work and career and family builds
all the things, and then it's like that sense of
joy just gets push back, push back, pushback, and so
(15:39):
it's essentially do we lose it or are we in
search of it? So that far really kid me, maybe
tap a chest a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah. The other thing that I thought they did beautifully
and I'm probably not remembering all the details of it,
but like the hidden emotions, it almost is like a
shame kind of thing, right, like this is where you
go like these secret kinds of things. And I thought
that was really cool and also sets up future movies,
I would imagine, right, because what else is locked away
(16:09):
in this dark place that we don't want other people
to know about? So I also love the way that
they play with the emotion of shame as like this
secret place that nobody wants to go kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, like when they put all the emotions in
the bottle and it's like we're suppressed.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, mm hmmmm. So I don't know. We don't always
know what the plans are for like follow ups and
sequels and prequels and all of the things for movies,
but it does feel like they have set it up
to where we could continue following Riley throughout different moments
in her life, her parents throughout different moments in their life.
And so I'm curious if we were to see maybe
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Riley going to college or maybe like her first grown
up job, what other emotions do you think they would
add to the cast of characters as she transitions to
a new stage in her life.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Ooh, great question.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I think disappointment might be a feeling that comes up,
maybe excitement in doing my new things, possibly like if
she goes off the college, excitement of being off of
her own even excitement, and possibly like driving things like that.
I'm curious, because anxiety was introduced, couldn't depression be introduced too,
(17:24):
a sense of what that looks like in navigating through
depression sadness to another level or degree, because I feel
like in the movie, sadness just felt kind of isolated
because it was like feeling so much emotion, but other
feelings were able to relate to each other. But I
feel like sadness needs like a cobody, and I feel
like depression could be present there because that is something
(17:47):
in which we all experience and can't experience.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I think that would be the ones I would be
interested in seeing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I also think it would be interesting
to think about jealousy going up as what it looks
like and how it looks different when you are transitioning
to a different stage in your life. But I really
like the idea of disappointment because I do think sometimes
when we get into that post college life or post
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you know, that age, is when we might see our
first experience of disappointment. And we might even see that
with her later in high school, right like if she
doesn't actually make the hockey team or she wants to
be captain and she isn't chosen, I definitely think that
could show up even earlier. But you're right, definitely, like
a post college, first grown up job, we would definitely,
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I think expect to see some disappointment there. And I
think to your point, that is also why it was
so poignant the way sadness was depicted that it was
often like this lonely feeling, right, because I think that
that is often what sadness feels like. And so if
they introduced a different feeling that was depression, which was
like even more sad, how would that look? What would
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be the connection to sadness, How would the other emotional
characters interact with depression? I think could be really interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, more from our conversation after the break, So was
there anything that you would have liked to see that
we didn't see as a part of Inside Out too.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I think I saw what I needed to see.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I would have been curious in seeing, like when she
broke into the coach's office to look into the notebook.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I was curious to see more play out on that
end of it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But outside of that, I think I saw it needed
to be seen essentially for the mouse part, for what it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Was, and again leaving the door open for future follow ups.
But you're right, I do think again they did such
a beautiful job of I think like capturing the emotional
landscape of a teen or preteen that it just was
incredible And I was not shocked to know that so
many mental health professionals actually consulted on the film, because
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I think that that is why they got so much
of it right and really dug deeply into the interior
lives of teens and preteens, which then led to the
depiction I think feeling very realistic, Yes, eat.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
With her imagination, like when she was trying to sleep
and she couldn't sleep because anxiety was like doing all
these intrusive thoughts with all the different outcomes. So if
you make the team, but if you don't, So even
that part of it, I was like, Wow, they really
like the drawing up conclusions. I was like, Oh, this
is like they're literally drawn out, like they really did that.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah. That was one of the things that I thought like, oh,
this would be a great intervention to use with clients
because if you think about like negative self talk as
this call center basically in the middle of your brain
that is just like, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Give me something real negative on day? That is just
such a brilliant depiction of how I think these negative
thoughts pop into our heads that we can think about
it as these little whatever is at this just throwing
up something on the screen to give us a different
image of ourselves. And things that we would rather push away,
that it's their job to just keep doing this and
they're under the command of some other person asking for this.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That part because it was like joy, like she knew
joy was in.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
The world, because it was like these are too positive,
this is too pleasant, make her feel relaxed, So you
can't do that. So they really did their thing with
making it diestible. Because even my family, we've talked about
the days after the movie when someone's experiencing emotion, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Who's center?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Like this is the language now we're using in the
house with each other. So I'm hoping that for other
families who were able to see the movie that can
now speak more with their emotional language, with the families,
with their children and their little ones, and even with
their partners.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Can you share maybe some strategies for people using this
in their lives with like you said, like maybe their
own children or children in their life. What kinds of
things do you give a great example of, like, Okay,
who's at the controls in theer now? Can you think
of other things that could spark conversations based on the
movies with our families.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Having conversations, so like identifying who's there right Number one
for having your family members either draw it out and
everyone can kind of pick what that looks like because
you and me see what Riotles's characters look like.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What does your characters look like? Who's in your control center?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And then even in the sense of things that bring
you joy, your happiness and those things, what memories, because
that's important to come into play that makes you feel happy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
What does your sense of self say?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Like when she went to the river and she put
the balls out there and she would pluck it, it
would be like that self talk? So what does your
self talk? What do you tell yourself regularly? Or how
do you feel about yourself? What does your language look
like you talk to yourself? So just identifying different things
to create the language, to build the conversation and then
from there growing from there, as well as expressing as
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the parent or the adult or older person within your
household or family, like I feel this, so being a
model of it as well.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think it's important.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Beautiful. So are there any other scenes that you felt
particularly moved by or are you really stuck with you
that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So you remember when joy was like, I know how
we can get back in the control center. And she
was like, we got to blow up all these memory,
like the memories that she had thrown out there, and
like when she blew them up on top of anxiety
being in the control center, Riley was flooded with emotions,
like all types of things was happening. So I think
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in that sense, like for some clients, sometimes you can't
feel flooded with past emotions and feelings, and when that happens,
it can make you feel very anxious. And it could
happen in any moment. So that wasn't something that she
was expecting, but it happened. So it's like how to
navigate through those moments. I felt like I've had to
talk with the client before and we talked about that
(24:12):
particular scene because it's not in your control, and even
that part just an overall sense of control, knowing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That it's okay to not be in control. It can
be in control of.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Everything, because you see what happened to anxiety when anxiety
was trying to be in control of the control center
and not allows space for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, and I thought that they did a beautiful job
of like showing not only can anxiety not be in
control all the time, but none of them really right,
So even joy, which I think most people associated as
a more positive so to speak, emotion or feeling like,
none of them need to be in control all the time,
and so how can they all work together to kind
(24:56):
of work towards a common goal. I thought was a
really really great message that they wanted us to take away.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yes, And I think another thing they did very well
in the movie was still limiting beliefs. So I've heard
quite a few of them in the movie, like if
I'm not good at hockey, then I won't have friends.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So it was like this it then, and so.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That is what was driving the anxiety more and more
the language in which Riley was using for our self talk.
So I love that part because I've talked so much
with my clients about the importance of positive self talking
affirmations and being kind to ourselves and making sure like
if you say well, I'm dumb, like no your psyche
years that be very gentle and mindful of the words
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you speak over yourself.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So I really loved how they did that and showed
that And to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Your earlier point around like the flooding, I think that
is something that of course as clinicians we are mindful of, right,
which is why you don't want to go too deep
into the back of the closet until there are enough resources,
enough reserve, enough grounding techniques that you have actually taught
somebody to be able to do all of that work,
which I think, of course, if you are just like
doing it on your own, you don't necessarily know that
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is maybe an unintended consequence that can happen. But to
your point, I thought it was a great depiction of
what can happen when you do like too much too
soon by yourself, in terms of trying to dig through
emotional stuff that you can end up feeling flooded.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yes, And because you don't want to do that in
the first two sessions, you want to have that rapport
with the client before you go and get into talking
about their traumas or their experiences.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That are very heavy for them.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Now, you know, what I found was interesting, So I
think they probably did. I am hesitant to say the best,
but I did love the way that anger that they
show that there's a particular place and service for anger, right,
So like anger is used to get us out of
these tough spots right, like that you do need to
get angry sometimes because again, I think to our larger
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conversation around like all emotions have a place. Anger is
one of those that I think people try to push
down and oh, I don't want to feel angry because
it doesn't feel as socially acceptable. But I think that
this movie does a really good job of talking about
when anger actually is needed, Like you do need anger
as a part of your emotional.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Landscape, absolutely, absolutely, just everything can't be slunshine and rainbows
right sometimes propels us forward if we need like that
push or that drive and that energy. So yes, I
definitely agree, And I love how anger would be like
don't set me that flame come up?
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Might yet.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I definitely chadded that for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yes, so for anybody who may be loved inside out
and inside out to Are there other movies that you
found particularly helpful that could be used for both children
and adults, or other books and things that you find
yourself using that could be you know, people want to
continue with this kind of imagery and messaging.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Was the one movie with the panda? What was that one?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh, turning Red, Turning Red?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yes, that one was a good one that kind of
compliments because it's doing like that puberty sage too. I
think I would be very interested in seeing a new
film done from a boy's perspective, navigating through emotions.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think that is what's.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Now needed because Turning Red was more so female based
and girl based with the friends and so it's inside
out too.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
So I'm very.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Interested in seeing the film done around boys so they can.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Have that representation as well, because it looks different.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, I was just thinking, like, how would it look different?
I mean, and I think some of the emotions would
be the same, but I think the things that they
would say might be very different. So I love that.
I love that call out, like, Okay, what can we
get into the head of a little boy and see
what kinds of different ways this shows up?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yes, come on, Danceney Pixar ready, I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay, So anything else. In addition to Turning Red, there
is a.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Book that talks about emotions for kids. Breathing makes It Better, That's.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
What it's called.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But it just talks about the importance of breathing as
we have calm me and self down.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It's a comple mechanism.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay, I hadn't seen that one. I don't do a
lot of kid work, so I'm not as up to
all the things that people use for kid clients, so
that sounds like a great option though.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Or my adult clients won't have any books I can
think of at the moment.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Not closely alignment inside out too right, right right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I think like the calm and headspace app are some
of the best for you know, just breathing exercises and
those kinds of things. I think that those are super helpful.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Or just going for a walk, go outside some fresh air,
those things because it's readily ava I'm accessiful agreed.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, I appreciate you spending some more time with me today,
Gorgeous dissecting inside out. To please remind people where they
can connect with you if they'd like to.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yes, you can find me on Instagram at Fixing the Fixer,
as well as www.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Dot fix and the fixer dot com perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We will be short to include that in the show notes.
Thank you so much, Gorgeous, You are welcome.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Thank you a getting back to Jolie.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
More from our conversation after the break. So I am
joined today my two very special guests who are making
their next appearance because they've been here guests with me
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several times. If you would please do us a favor
and introduce yourself, tell the audience who you are and
what you enjoy.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Hi, my name is and I enjoyed being with my mother.
Hello people, my name is Jackson, and I enjoy playing
Fortnite and I'll be Madden two k all they do
games and such.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So we are here today to do a review of
a movie that we saw recently, or maybe not so recently,
Inside Out Too. So, Julie and I wonder if you
could get us started by telling us what you thought
about the movie.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
The movie was great, fun and enjoying.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Enjoyable, Yeah, enjoyable. Would you recommend it to other people?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Okay? What was your favorite part about the movie?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
My favorite part about the movie was when they said, ooh,
deep Dish stole warm geese.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So you like some of the jokes in the movie. Okay, Jackson,
what did you think about the movie?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I loved you personally. I just thought it was super funny.
One anxiety. It just went crazy with the computer.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Ooh, So what do you guys think was like the
underlying message of the movie.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Underlying message was like all those people that were there.
That was all joys, like feelings.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Riley's feeling those were all of her feelings. Okay, what
about you, Jackson, what did you think the underlying theme
of the movie, the underlying message?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Uh? What Riley's thoughts and perspective? Or inside Out?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Mmmm? Okay? You both saw Inside Out one the first movie.
How did you think inside Out too compared to Inside Out?
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I can't really think about inside Out and Inside Out Too.
You don't remember, well, I watched both of them at school.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So well, you didn't watch Inside Out at two at school.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
So I'd probably say inside everyone is better?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You like the first one better?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Yeah? I say, I like the new characters.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh, you like the new character? So which new character
do you feel like you liked best?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Hm, hmmm which one? Jackson?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We we on we on.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
We You like that one best?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Why?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
French?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
And you like the French? Okay? And which one was
your favorite?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
On?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
We and that big peak guy sensitivity?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I think was he Embarrassment? But what was his name?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Embarrassment?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So you thought Embarrassment was your favorite new character? What
did you like so much about him?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Like at the end he wasn't like so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Oh, okay, so he liked that he wasn't so sensitive
at the end. Okay. One of Mommy's favorite parts of
the movie was the little news desk where you saw
all of the little thoughts that were in people's heads
that represented the different emotions. And everybody had like their
own little inside panel that looked just like them, except
they were emotions. So if you could look inside your
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head and there was a panel of little emotions in
your head, what emotions would they be?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Sad, love, embarrassment, anger, joy, anxiety, and and on.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We okay, what about you, Jackson, what would your panel be?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Probably anxiety, nervousness, confidence.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Is that an emotion? We'll allow it. So both of
you said anxiety. And we've already talked a little bit
about the Anxiety character. So what did y'all think about
because she was a new character for Inside Out too,
what did y'all think about her as a new character?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
She was good, funny, but she was a little bit
doing too much.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Oh, she was doing too much. Why do you think
she was doing too much?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Because like when Joyce said, don't do this, she did
it anyways, and then she broke rightly, she broke her
broke her like she was mean to her father and everything.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh okay, So what about you, Jackson, what were your
thoughts about Anxiety as a new character?
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Astonished because she literally, figuratively and mentally broke Riley. Mm.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So, y'all both said that anxiety would be one of
the characters in your head too. So what makes you
say that?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Cause sometimes I have mental anxiety.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sometimes you have anxiety. Well, all of us have anxiety.
What sometimes is your anxiety about?
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
About Arlot? Still? Okay? So if they had an inside
out three, what new emotions or new characters would you
look forward to seeing?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Bully maybe?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Bully, yeah, okay, putting down somebody. Oh and the athlete
type off even though she's already an athlete.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Mm hmm okay, those are the three you'd be interested athletical, athleticism.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Athletic cool, that's gonna be the name.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Oh, that's gonna be the name. Okay. What about you, Jackson?
What new emotions would you be interested in seeing?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Anger?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Just going to a second level of anger?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That would be funny.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What would be funny about that? Because, oh, you want
to see the same character but a different level.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I want to see crash out here.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, So why do you think it is a good
movie for other people to check out?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Because it was funny comedy. It was comedy, tragic, tragic
in the turn of events and a turn of events.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Okay, what about you, Jackson?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
If anybody elects to see people will just crash out.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
So sorry, but I just couldn't hold.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Out crash out with anger.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I think that's no, that's the best movie you could see.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Okay, So was there any parts of the movie that
made you sad or uncomfortable?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
What where deciety broke right?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
When she just kind of spun out of control when
she was pushing all the buttons. Yeah, okay. The takeaway
that Mommy got was that all of the emotions had
a role. So Joy, it seemed like, was trying to
be in control the emotion Joy, like you're not your
mom Joy, the emotion Joy was trying to be in control.
And then these new emotions came along with the new friends,
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and then she realized like, oh, I have to make
space for these new emotions also, And so the takeaway
for me was that all emotions have a role, even
when sometimes they feel uncomfortable or they feel like they're
difficult to be in your mind? What did you think
about that?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I felt like they had new emotions. But what if
they didn't have those emotions and Riley Stole would have
been the same.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
M What do you think would have happened if they
didn't have those new emotions?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
On We wouldn't be doing nothing. He would dish be
at his house on his phone. So there's no difference
between all we and them. But there was all we
that was this the channeling through the thumbs, and then
there was anxiety that was this way too anxiety, way
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too anxious. Yeah, and then there's embarrassment. Embarrassment where he
is holds his jacket.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Like this and doesn't really want anybody to see his face.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Yeah, okay, because he's embarrassed that they're gonna make fun
of him.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Oh okay. So if you feel like you could pick
one of those characters who you feel like would be
most like you, which character would you say? It is anxiety? Okay?
And why would you say that?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
First four day of school? Actually, I've been having to
do tests.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Mmm, that makes you anxi Just yeah, okay? What about you, Julie?
You said on We and Joy yeah, okay, why would
you pick those?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Because I like channeling and at school, I'm really kind
of joyful and nice.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Okay, beautiful, beautiful. Well this has been such great information, guys.
I always enjoy when you all join me for the podcast.
So what kinds of things if you had a goodbye
message to offer to our listeners after this episode? What
kinds of things would you want them to hear?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
I want them to hear if you're with God, done
anything's possible, and listen to what your parents say, and
be respectful and do everything you can and do it
at the highest limit.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Ooh, okay, what about you, Jackson?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You going to school?
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Respect others, respect your parents, because without them, who knows
where you would be at?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Right now? Okay, I forgot. There's one other question that
I have. So we saw that these new emotions popped
up because Riley was actually experiencing a new thing. And
so that often is what happens when we experience new
things like going to a new school or starting school.
We have some new emotions sometimes. And so you all
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just had a new transition to a new school. So
what kinds of emotions do you feel like you've been feeling?
As the school year just started, I've.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Been feeling anxious. You've been feeling anxious, embarrassed, embarrassed. How'd
you feeling anxious and embarrassed? Wow? About down the new
kid at school?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And have you made some friends or people that look
like they might be your friends?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
I've made for friends four?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Okay, So would you say you're off to a good start?
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Yep? Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
What about you, Jackson? What kind of emotions do you
feel like you've had for this back to school week?
I was just a little embarrassed embarrassed about first day
of school? Why because I tried to walk you to
the classroom.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, any ten year old would washing this. They have
to comment. It is embarrassing when you're in fifth grade
and your parents are still trying to walk you to school, like.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
If you're a third grader. Okay, just embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Okay, I'll accept it. So embarrassment. What's your emotion then?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Now for that one time?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Okay? Is there anything else you all want to share
before we wrap up?
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Anythings that I want to say?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Okay, Well, thank you so much for joining me again. Guys,
You're welcome.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
Bye, I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
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I'm still unpacking all that was showcased in the recent
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Inside Out to movie, from the realistic depiction of anxiety
attacks to seeing new emotions show up as main character
Riley steps into her teenage years. Joining me today to
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I also passed the mic to my two little ones,
Jackson and Julian, to get their perspectives on the film
as well. During our conversation, we discussed the scenes that
stuck with us the most from the film, how therapists
can reference the film to break down tough emotional concepts
with clients and analyze the film's most central character, anxiety.
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I am so glad to be chatting with you again.
I feel like it's always fun when you can join
me for some of the pop culture. What are we watching?
What's going on as a fellow therapist, because I think
we often are watching things and reading things with a
little bit of a different lens. So I'm excited for
you to join me today to talk a little bit
about inside out too. So you had a chance that
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we did a partnership with Disney, of course, to promote
the movie, and you had a chance to go to
one of the very early screenings here in Atlanta. It
was a fun activity. So tell us a little bit
about the screening that you actually participated in.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, so the screening was amazing. I feel me in
my We all went. They had a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Of activations and games that were influenced by the movie.
They had a street hockey activation for the kids to
d street hockey.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
They had snacks, they had a DJ, they.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Had snow cones, had a lot of merge, so they
gave our hats while all of the characters on there.
They gave our beach towels and t shirts and water bottles.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So that was like the outside part of it. And
then they brought us into the theater and they had
free possessions for everyone. And once we got our consessions
and snacks, we went to the.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Theater and they had another DJ in there giving everyone
excited and ready for the movie and.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Asking all the attendees and the children.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
If they knew about the different or the new emotions
that were to be added.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So it was pretty cool hearing the kids'.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Guests which emotions that they were looking forward to seeing
in the movie. So after that the lights dim and
the movie started, and it was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Literally saw some adults in their patner eyes a little
bit while watching the film, and I had to pull
myself out of being in therapist mom because I was like, oh,
my goodness, there's so much happening in this movie, and
I didn't want to like psycho analyze it in that moment.
I just wanted to be present with it and then
think about it as the days came by.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, and you left the theater and immediately text like,
that was so good. We have to do a conversation
about this. But at the time I had not seen it,
and then when I saw it, I completely understood why
you felt like we needed to talk about it. I'm
also somebody who had not seen Inside Out one or
I don't remember. The kids say that we watched it together,
but I just don't remember. So after I saw Inside
(04:42):
Out two, I came home and watched Inside Out one
and I was like, oh, Okay, now I get what
people were raving about. So tell me what felt so
inspiring or what pulled you to feel like, Okay, we
absolutely have to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
On the podcast, So I think thing, the emotions show
up in the controls and my aspect of it because
I really like how they showed that essentially because I
never thought about it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Like that, and sometimes it can be like the most
simplings things to help explain emotions to people, and how like.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What emotion is taking over, what emotion is at the
control board, and like running the show. I thought that
was like a good visualization of.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It as well as just anxiety, the depiction of how
anxiety show that the language, just how it was just
like running the show and literally running rightly. I thought
that they executed that very well. It was relatable, especially
like the thoughts, the projections and all of those things.
(05:44):
So I thought that that part alone is what sold me, like, Okay,
we need to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I agree, And I think as therapists it is
often hard sometimes to give language to these things that
often feel very difficult to describe or it is more
of a few kind of thing. But to see it
depicted as you mentioned as a control center. And the
point that I also really love is this idea that
they're all there right, so maybe there is one that
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is trying to you know, operate the control center at
a certain time more than others, but that they are
all useful, that there is a place for everybody in
the control center, so to speak. I also agree that
it is a great depiction, and I think gives language.
And of course this is the thing that like Disney
and Pixel do an excellent job of is of course
it's a movie geared towards kids, but as adults, there
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are so many things that you can take from it,
and I think it really helps to give children language
for emotions and things like that may be very difficult
or that maybe we did not grasp until we were
much older in life.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Another thing I thought that was really cool was the
core beliefs, so like how those memories were the balls, right,
I thought that that was well detated. Oh that makes
so much sense, and like our joy was like, oh,
this is not a good memory, so she just shot
it all the way in the back. It was like
there's some to go in the back in the long
term memory where they don't even think about it. So
(07:12):
I thought that that was well done as well. Like
I really loved that part of it that was Chef's kiss.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, I love that too, And I think again going
back to the idea of every emotion has a place,
like joy of course being the joy emotion, wanting to
handpick the memories that she thought Riley should have because
of course her kind of driving force is to make
sure that everything feels pleasant all the time. But then
when we realize, Okay, you've put so much back there
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that like you are digging for the memories, and can
there actually be space for things that maybe are not
so pleasant to coexist with even the more memorable or
the more pleasant memories, And how all of that is
really needed for us to establish both a sense of
self and these core beliefs that these ideas that we
have about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yes, And I think like how they showed how Joye
just wanted to hold that one version of Riley like no,
this is who she is, and not allowing all of
her to be present, like Okay, well this is the
best version of her.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
We can't change.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And I think that with anxiety coming around, Anxiety was like, no,
we're going to shake this stuff up, We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Change yeah, right, yeah, Because I didn't necessarily have the
context of having or at least remembering seeing the first
one before the second one, I also was really pleased,
and it made a lot of sense that we saw
these new emotions show up as Riley is entering her
teenage years, right, because so the anxiety, the on wei,
(08:43):
which is the boredom, and I think what was the
big guy? Was he embarrassment? Embarrassment? So it felt very
fitting that these are the emotions. Though they may have
been there a little bit when she was younger, this
is a time during teenage and young adolescence where we
see these emotions become more prevalent. So what did you
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feel like as somebody who did remember seeing the first one,
and how did you feel about these new emotions being
added for this new movie.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I thought it was appropriate, like you said, in the
sense of her age and like socially, like she's more
concerned about her peers and how she's seen outwardly, right,
So it wasn't necessarily about.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Like her parents and like making our parents happy. It
was more so.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
About Okay, how am I going to fit into this
new school, this new setting, with this new team, and
like all the things that goes on with their transition.
I thought it was very timely that those emotions introduced
themselves into the scene and then identifying, Okay, well, how
do they now incorporate with what has already been there,
right with the joy, fear of sadness, and anger, and
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we also forgot about envy and he was also a
new emotion as well. So I thought it was like
that transition and like showing the spotlight on them that
she navigated through the challenges was spot on.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Mm hm. So I've seen a lot of other therapists
talk about like how they have maybe even used inside
Out as a part of their work with clients. Is
this something that you had used before? And if so,
like what kinds of interventions are you pulling from the
movie to be applicable to client work?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Great question.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
So before no, I had not used it, But afterwards
so many of my clients were bringing the movie and
talking about how they went to see the movie into sessions.
So we definitely broke down and a lot of them
connected with anxiety, experiencing panic attacks and what that looked like.
They also talked about the projection of trying to like
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think of all the worst outcomes, so that really aligned
with a lot of them too, and essentially we identified
ways to cope with it, like how at the end
of the movie joy towd anxiety here, glad to see
drinking little juice and sit in this area that just
relax And so essentially the clients giving them the language
like Okay, well, who's that the control center? How are
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we going to navigate this? What are your coping skills
that you can implement in this moment to help you
navigate through this? Or you know, essentially a lot of
times with anxiety is okay, they think something is wrong?
So really is something wrong? Are you in danger? Like
how can you look at the whole setting in your
environment to really assess if anxiety is doing too much
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in this moment or can they take the back seat.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Another thing I do with clients that I like that
this movie did was recognize in the other emotions.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
So yes, you can feel anxiety that it doesn't have
to have the stage like like who else is on
the stage? How can we pull from those other feelings
in this moment? So I reference this movie a lot
now after seeing it. I always ask my clients like
did you see inside out to yet? Like before I
go there with them. For those who have seen it,
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I talk through and they understand. For those who haven't.
I reference the first one just to kind of give
some language a little bit, but most of them have
seen it and they're able to connect with what I've
shared with them for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The other thing that I thought was really really cute
about how they showed emotions, and I definitely can see
like how this is so applicable to client work, especially
because it feels like it's another version of like the
feelings short, right, you know, like you can associate or
connect with the characters. What I also loved was that
each person had their own little like slate of characters
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in their head that look like them, right, So I
love that like her dad had his own set of
like emotion characters in his head that looked like him,
and Mom had the same, which I just thought was
really cool that they also depicted it like this is
not just an internal experience for you, Like we all
have these little characters in our heads, and we all
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have the same little slate of people. So when you
talk to the beginning about like seeing adults becoming like
emotional in the movie, that definitely was me And I'm
trying to remember it exactly when I started becoming tearful,
though it doesn't take much for me ever to be
tearful in a movie most times. But I found I
was very, very moved by the scene where she's having
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the panic attack at the skating rink and you can
see then in the control room, like anxiety spinning out
of control basically, and I thought that was such a
beautiful depiction, one of what a panic attack actually looks
like and feels like for somebody who's experiencing it, but
also about how much of anxiety is also like a
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fear right that the anxiety character we see she's spinning
out of control, and Joy realizes, oh my gosh, so
much of this is really her being afraid and just
not wanting to mess up and wanting things to go well.
And I don't think we always can see anxiety as
that until I thought the movie did a really good
job of displaying that from lots of different angles. Yes, yes,
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I think one of the quotes because I think that
where a lot of people connected with so like we
go on to aktocker social media, you don't see like
people doing stages of content around that moment, And I
think one thing anxiety the same She said I was
just trying to protect her.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I didn't mean to do any harm. I was just
trying to keep her safe. And it's just like it
wasn't needing in that moment or not to that degree.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, And I think that that is helpful to think about. Like,
I think that is often the role anxiety has in
our life is that it is trying to protect us
from something. But I think as therapists we are often
asking like do you still need that protection? And if so,
do you still need it in that way?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like doctor Hodge, I think uses the example when talking
about anxiety about it often feels like you're running from
a bear, But is the bear there all the time
or can we release and relax some of that. So
I just thought it was such a good job of
depicting like what a panic attack feels like, and how
anxiety is often trying to protect us from things.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I think to your point, doctor Joy, of part that
really hippy.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
In my heart was when Joy said maybe this is
what happens when you.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Grow up you feel less joy, And I was like,
do we do we feel?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think a lot of us do feel that way.
I think a lot of us do feel that way.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That really hit home because essentially, I think that's why
a lot of people are trying to connect with they're
in their child and find that sense of joy or
care freeeness as adults because so much is put on
as like responsibilities and work and career and family builds
all the things, and then it's like that sense of
joy just gets push back, push back, pushback, and so
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it's essentially do we lose it or are we in
search of it? So that far really kid me, maybe
tap a chest a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah. The other thing that I thought they did beautifully
and I'm probably not remembering all the details of it,
but like the hidden emotions, it almost is like a
shame kind of thing, right, like this is where you
go like these secret kinds of things. And I thought
that was really cool and also sets up future movies,
I would imagine, right, because what else is locked away
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in this dark place that we don't want other people
to know about? So I also love the way that
they play with the emotion of shame as like this
secret place that nobody wants to go kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, like when they put all the emotions in
the bottle and it's like we're suppressed.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, mm hmmmm. So I don't know. We don't always
know what the plans are for like follow ups and
sequels and prequels and all of the things for movies,
but it does feel like they have set it up
to where we could continue following Riley throughout different moments
in her life, her parents throughout different moments in their life.
And so I'm curious if we were to see maybe
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Riley going to college or maybe like her first grown
up job, what other emotions do you think they would
add to the cast of characters as she transitions to
a new stage in her life.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Ooh, great question.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I think disappointment might be a feeling that comes up,
maybe excitement in doing my new things, possibly like if
she goes off the college, excitement of being off of
her own even excitement, and possibly like driving things like that.
I'm curious, because anxiety was introduced, couldn't depression be introduced too,
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a sense of what that looks like in navigating through
depression sadness to another level or degree, because I feel
like in the movie, sadness just felt kind of isolated
because it was like feeling so much emotion, but other
feelings were able to relate to each other. But I
feel like sadness needs like a cobody, and I feel
like depression could be present there because that is something
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in which we all experience and can't experience.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I think that would be the ones I would be
interested in seeing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I also think it would be interesting
to think about jealousy going up as what it looks
like and how it looks different when you are transitioning
to a different stage in your life. But I really
like the idea of disappointment because I do think sometimes
when we get into that post college life or post
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you know, that age, is when we might see our
first experience of disappointment. And we might even see that
with her later in high school, right like if she
doesn't actually make the hockey team or she wants to
be captain and she isn't chosen, I definitely think that
could show up even earlier. But you're right, definitely, like
a post college, first grown up job, we would definitely,
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I think expect to see some disappointment there. And I
think to your point, that is also why it was
so poignant the way sadness was depicted that it was
often like this lonely feeling, right, because I think that
that is often what sadness feels like. And so if
they introduced a different feeling that was depression, which was
like even more sad, how would that look? What would
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be the connection to sadness, How would the other emotional
characters interact with depression? I think could be really interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, more from our conversation after the break, So was
there anything that you would have liked to see that
we didn't see as a part of Inside Out too.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I think I saw what I needed to see.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I would have been curious in seeing, like when she
broke into the coach's office to look into the notebook.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I was curious to see more play out on that
end of it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But outside of that, I think I saw it needed
to be seen essentially for the mouse part, for what it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Was, and again leaving the door open for future follow ups.
But you're right, I do think again they did such
a beautiful job of I think like capturing the emotional
landscape of a teen or preteen that it just was
incredible And I was not shocked to know that so
many mental health professionals actually consulted on the film, because
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I think that that is why they got so much
of it right and really dug deeply into the interior
lives of teens and preteens, which then led to the
depiction I think feeling very realistic, Yes, eat.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
With her imagination, like when she was trying to sleep
and she couldn't sleep because anxiety was like doing all
these intrusive thoughts with all the different outcomes. So if
you make the team, but if you don't, So even
that part of it, I was like, Wow, they really
like the drawing up conclusions. I was like, Oh, this
is like they're literally drawn out, like they really did that.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah. That was one of the things that I thought like, oh,
this would be a great intervention to use with clients
because if you think about like negative self talk as
this call center basically in the middle of your brain
that is just like, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Give me something real negative on day? That is just
such a brilliant depiction of how I think these negative
thoughts pop into our heads that we can think about
it as these little whatever is at this just throwing
up something on the screen to give us a different
image of ourselves. And things that we would rather push away,
that it's their job to just keep doing this and
they're under the command of some other person asking for this.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That part because it was like joy, like she knew
joy was in.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
The world, because it was like these are too positive,
this is too pleasant, make her feel relaxed, So you
can't do that. So they really did their thing with
making it diestible. Because even my family, we've talked about
the days after the movie when someone's experiencing emotion, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Who's center?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Like this is the language now we're using in the
house with each other. So I'm hoping that for other
families who were able to see the movie that can
now speak more with their emotional language, with the families,
with their children and their little ones, and even with
their partners.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Can you share maybe some strategies for people using this
in their lives with like you said, like maybe their
own children or children in their life. What kinds of
things do you give a great example of, like, Okay,
who's at the controls in theer now? Can you think
of other things that could spark conversations based on the
movies with our families.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Having conversations, so like identifying who's there right Number one
for having your family members either draw it out and
everyone can kind of pick what that looks like because
you and me see what Riotles's characters look like.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What does your characters look like? Who's in your control center?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And then even in the sense of things that bring
you joy, your happiness and those things, what memories, because
that's important to come into play that makes you feel happy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
What does your sense of self say?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Like when she went to the river and she put
the balls out there and she would pluck it, it
would be like that self talk? So what does your
self talk? What do you tell yourself regularly? Or how
do you feel about yourself? What does your language look
like you talk to yourself? So just identifying different things
to create the language, to build the conversation and then
from there growing from there, as well as expressing as
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the parent or the adult or older person within your
household or family, like I feel this, so being a
model of it as well.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think it's important.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Beautiful. So are there any other scenes that you felt
particularly moved by or are you really stuck with you
that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So you remember when joy was like, I know how
we can get back in the control center. And she
was like, we got to blow up all these memory,
like the memories that she had thrown out there, and
like when she blew them up on top of anxiety
being in the control center, Riley was flooded with emotions,
like all types of things was happening. So I think
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in that sense, like for some clients, sometimes you can't
feel flooded with past emotions and feelings, and when that happens,
it can make you feel very anxious. And it could
happen in any moment. So that wasn't something that she
was expecting, but it happened. So it's like how to
navigate through those moments. I felt like I've had to
talk with the client before and we talked about that
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particular scene because it's not in your control, and even
that part just an overall sense of control, knowing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That it's okay to not be in control. It can
be in control of.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Everything, because you see what happened to anxiety when anxiety
was trying to be in control of the control center
and not allows space for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, and I thought that they did a beautiful job
of like showing not only can anxiety not be in
control all the time, but none of them really right,
So even joy, which I think most people associated as
a more positive so to speak, emotion or feeling like,
none of them need to be in control all the time,
and so how can they all work together to kind
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of work towards a common goal. I thought was a
really really great message that they wanted us to take away.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yes, And I think another thing they did very well
in the movie was still limiting beliefs. So I've heard
quite a few of them in the movie, like if
I'm not good at hockey, then I won't have friends.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So it was like this it then, and so.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That is what was driving the anxiety more and more
the language in which Riley was using for our self talk.
So I love that part because I've talked so much
with my clients about the importance of positive self talking
affirmations and being kind to ourselves and making sure like
if you say well, I'm dumb, like no your psyche
years that be very gentle and mindful of the words
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you speak over yourself.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So I really loved how they did that and showed
that And to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Your earlier point around like the flooding, I think that
is something that of course as clinicians we are mindful of, right,
which is why you don't want to go too deep
into the back of the closet until there are enough resources,
enough reserve, enough grounding techniques that you have actually taught
somebody to be able to do all of that work,
which I think, of course, if you are just like
doing it on your own, you don't necessarily know that
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is maybe an unintended consequence that can happen. But to
your point, I thought it was a great depiction of
what can happen when you do like too much too
soon by yourself, in terms of trying to dig through
emotional stuff that you can end up feeling flooded.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yes, And because you don't want to do that in
the first two sessions, you want to have that rapport
with the client before you go and get into talking
about their traumas or their experiences.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That are very heavy for them.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Now, you know, what I found was interesting, So I
think they probably did. I am hesitant to say the best,
but I did love the way that anger that they
show that there's a particular place and service for anger, right,
So like anger is used to get us out of
these tough spots right, like that you do need to
get angry sometimes because again, I think to our larger
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conversation around like all emotions have a place. Anger is
one of those that I think people try to push
down and oh, I don't want to feel angry because
it doesn't feel as socially acceptable. But I think that
this movie does a really good job of talking about
when anger actually is needed, Like you do need anger
as a part of your emotional.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Landscape, absolutely, absolutely, just everything can't be slunshine and rainbows
right sometimes propels us forward if we need like that
push or that drive and that energy. So yes, I
definitely agree, And I love how anger would be like
don't set me that flame come up?
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Might yet.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I definitely chadded that for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yes, so for anybody who may be loved inside out
and inside out to Are there other movies that you
found particularly helpful that could be used for both children
and adults, or other books and things that you find
yourself using that could be you know, people want to
continue with this kind of imagery and messaging.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Was the one movie with the panda? What was that one?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh, turning Red, Turning Red?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yes, that one was a good one that kind of
compliments because it's doing like that puberty sage too. I
think I would be very interested in seeing a new
film done from a boy's perspective, navigating through emotions.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think that is what's.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Now needed because Turning Red was more so female based
and girl based with the friends and so it's inside
out too.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
So I'm very.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Interested in seeing the film done around boys so they can.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Have that representation as well, because it looks different.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, I was just thinking, like, how would it look different?
I mean, and I think some of the emotions would
be the same, but I think the things that they
would say might be very different. So I love that.
I love that call out, like, Okay, what can we
get into the head of a little boy and see
what kinds of different ways this shows up?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yes, come on, Danceney Pixar ready, I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay, So anything else. In addition to Turning Red, there
is a.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Book that talks about emotions for kids. Breathing makes It Better, That's.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
What it's called.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But it just talks about the importance of breathing as
we have calm me and self down.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It's a comple mechanism.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay, I hadn't seen that one. I don't do a
lot of kid work, so I'm not as up to
all the things that people use for kid clients, so
that sounds like a great option though.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Or my adult clients won't have any books I can
think of at the moment.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Not closely alignment inside out too right, right right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I think like the calm and headspace app are some
of the best for you know, just breathing exercises and
those kinds of things. I think that those are super helpful.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Or just going for a walk, go outside some fresh air,
those things because it's readily ava I'm accessiful agreed.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, I appreciate you spending some more time with me today,
Gorgeous dissecting inside out. To please remind people where they
can connect with you if they'd like to.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yes, you can find me on Instagram at Fixing the Fixer,
as well as www.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Dot fix and the fixer dot com perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We will be short to include that in the show notes.
Thank you so much, Gorgeous, You are welcome.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Thank you a getting back to Jolie.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
More from our conversation after the break. So I am
joined today my two very special guests who are making
their next appearance because they've been here guests with me
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several times. If you would please do us a favor
and introduce yourself, tell the audience who you are and
what you enjoy.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Hi, my name is and I enjoyed being with my mother.
Hello people, my name is Jackson, and I enjoy playing
Fortnite and I'll be Madden two k all they do
games and such.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So we are here today to do a review of
a movie that we saw recently, or maybe not so recently,
Inside Out Too. So, Julie and I wonder if you
could get us started by telling us what you thought
about the movie.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
The movie was great, fun and enjoying.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Enjoyable, Yeah, enjoyable. Would you recommend it to other people?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Okay? What was your favorite part about the movie?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
My favorite part about the movie was when they said, ooh,
deep Dish stole warm geese.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So you like some of the jokes in the movie. Okay, Jackson,
what did you think about the movie?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I loved you personally. I just thought it was super funny.
One anxiety. It just went crazy with the computer.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Ooh, So what do you guys think was like the
underlying message of the movie.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Underlying message was like all those people that were there.
That was all joys, like feelings.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Riley's feeling those were all of her feelings. Okay, what
about you, Jackson, what did you think the underlying theme
of the movie, the underlying message?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Uh? What Riley's thoughts and perspective? Or inside Out?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Mmmm? Okay? You both saw Inside Out one the first movie.
How did you think inside Out too compared to Inside Out?
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I can't really think about inside Out and Inside Out Too.
You don't remember, well, I watched both of them at school.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So well, you didn't watch Inside Out at two at school.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
So I'd probably say inside everyone is better?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You like the first one better?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Yeah? I say, I like the new characters.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh, you like the new character? So which new character
do you feel like you liked best?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Hm, hmmm which one? Jackson?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We we on we on.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
We You like that one best?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Why?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
French?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
And you like the French? Okay? And which one was
your favorite?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
On?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
We and that big peak guy sensitivity?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I think was he Embarrassment? But what was his name?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Embarrassment?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So you thought Embarrassment was your favorite new character? What
did you like so much about him?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Like at the end he wasn't like so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Oh, okay, so he liked that he wasn't so sensitive
at the end. Okay. One of Mommy's favorite parts of
the movie was the little news desk where you saw
all of the little thoughts that were in people's heads
that represented the different emotions. And everybody had like their
own little inside panel that looked just like them, except
they were emotions. So if you could look inside your
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head and there was a panel of little emotions in
your head, what emotions would they be?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Sad, love, embarrassment, anger, joy, anxiety, and and on.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We okay, what about you, Jackson, what would your panel be?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Probably anxiety, nervousness, confidence.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Is that an emotion? We'll allow it. So both of
you said anxiety. And we've already talked a little bit
about the Anxiety character. So what did y'all think about
because she was a new character for Inside Out too,
what did y'all think about her as a new character?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
She was good, funny, but she was a little bit
doing too much.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Oh, she was doing too much. Why do you think
she was doing too much?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Because like when Joyce said, don't do this, she did
it anyways, and then she broke rightly, she broke her
broke her like she was mean to her father and everything.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh okay, So what about you, Jackson, what were your
thoughts about Anxiety as a new character?
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Astonished because she literally, figuratively and mentally broke Riley. Mm.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So, y'all both said that anxiety would be one of
the characters in your head too. So what makes you
say that?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Cause sometimes I have mental anxiety.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sometimes you have anxiety. Well, all of us have anxiety.
What sometimes is your anxiety about?
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
About Arlot? Still? Okay? So if they had an inside
out three, what new emotions or new characters would you
look forward to seeing?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Bully maybe?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Bully, yeah, okay, putting down somebody. Oh and the athlete
type off even though she's already an athlete.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Mm hmm okay, those are the three you'd be interested athletical, athleticism.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Athletic cool, that's gonna be the name.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Oh, that's gonna be the name. Okay. What about you, Jackson?
What new emotions would you be interested in seeing?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Anger?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Just going to a second level of anger?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That would be funny.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What would be funny about that? Because, oh, you want
to see the same character but a different level.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I want to see crash out here.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, So why do you think it is a good
movie for other people to check out?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Because it was funny comedy. It was comedy, tragic, tragic
in the turn of events and a turn of events.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Okay, what about you, Jackson?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
If anybody elects to see people will just crash out.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
So sorry, but I just couldn't hold.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Out crash out with anger.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I think that's no, that's the best movie you could see.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Okay, So was there any parts of the movie that
made you sad or uncomfortable?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
What where deciety broke right?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
When she just kind of spun out of control when
she was pushing all the buttons. Yeah, okay. The takeaway
that Mommy got was that all of the emotions had
a role. So Joy, it seemed like, was trying to
be in control the emotion Joy, like you're not your
mom Joy, the emotion Joy was trying to be in control.
And then these new emotions came along with the new friends,
(37:22):
and then she realized like, oh, I have to make
space for these new emotions also, And so the takeaway
for me was that all emotions have a role, even
when sometimes they feel uncomfortable or they feel like they're
difficult to be in your mind? What did you think
about that?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I felt like they had new emotions. But what if
they didn't have those emotions and Riley Stole would have
been the same.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
M What do you think would have happened if they
didn't have those new emotions?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
On We wouldn't be doing nothing. He would dish be
at his house on his phone. So there's no difference
between all we and them. But there was all we
that was this the channeling through the thumbs, and then
there was anxiety that was this way too anxiety, way
(38:16):
too anxious. Yeah, and then there's embarrassment. Embarrassment where he
is holds his jacket.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Like this and doesn't really want anybody to see his face.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Yeah, okay, because he's embarrassed that they're gonna make fun
of him.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Oh okay. So if you feel like you could pick
one of those characters who you feel like would be
most like you, which character would you say? It is anxiety? Okay?
And why would you say that?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
First four day of school? Actually, I've been having to
do tests.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Mmm, that makes you anxi Just yeah, okay? What about you, Julie?
You said on We and Joy yeah, okay, why would
you pick those?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Because I like channeling and at school, I'm really kind
of joyful and nice.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Okay, beautiful, beautiful. Well this has been such great information, guys.
I always enjoy when you all join me for the podcast.
So what kinds of things if you had a goodbye
message to offer to our listeners after this episode? What
kinds of things would you want them to hear?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
I want them to hear if you're with God, done
anything's possible, and listen to what your parents say, and
be respectful and do everything you can and do it
at the highest limit.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Ooh, okay, what about you, Jackson?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You going to school?
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Respect others, respect your parents, because without them, who knows
where you would be at?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Right now? Okay, I forgot. There's one other question that
I have. So we saw that these new emotions popped
up because Riley was actually experiencing a new thing. And
so that often is what happens when we experience new
things like going to a new school or starting school.
We have some new emotions sometimes. And so you all
(40:06):
just had a new transition to a new school. So
what kinds of emotions do you feel like you've been feeling?
As the school year just started, I've.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Been feeling anxious. You've been feeling anxious, embarrassed, embarrassed. How'd
you feeling anxious and embarrassed? Wow? About down the new
kid at school?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And have you made some friends or people that look
like they might be your friends?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
I've made for friends four?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Okay, So would you say you're off to a good start?
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Yep? Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
What about you, Jackson? What kind of emotions do you
feel like you've had for this back to school week?
I was just a little embarrassed embarrassed about first day
of school? Why because I tried to walk you to
the classroom.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, any ten year old would washing this. They have
to comment. It is embarrassing when you're in fifth grade
and your parents are still trying to walk you to school, like.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
If you're a third grader. Okay, just embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Okay, I'll accept it. So embarrassment. What's your emotion then?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Now for that one time?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Okay? Is there anything else you all want to share
before we wrap up?
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Anythings that I want to say?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Okay, Well, thank you so much for joining me again. Guys,
You're welcome.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
Bye, I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Gorgeous was able to join me today for this conversation.
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