October 13, 2024 • 54 mins
A caller plans to navigate a new era of his life, a caller reflects on being interviewed on national TV, and a final caller questions their life while applying to grad school.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi. What's your name?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
My name is Let's go with Dave.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Dave. What's up, Dave? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm doing pretty good. I'm just hanging out waiting by
my window because I'm getting an important package today. But
my apartment doesn't have a buzzer, so he's hanging out
waiting for the mailman.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And if you're like a wife at the pier waiting
for her sailor husband to return to.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Her, yeah, it feels very wistful kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, yeah, that may. I ask what's in the package
that you're waiting for?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is the title to my car because it's it
was my parents' car, butet we're transferring it, but they
live out of state, so just hanging out.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Okay, that's nice. That's quite an adult because I remember
when I was a kid and I was waiting for package,
it was usually like a toy or a game or something.
And now where now that we're old, we're waiting for
the title to our car, which is and we're just
as excited because it feels good to complete the navigation
(01:15):
of bureaucracy in a competent way. Yes, hopefully it's well, Weave, Dave,
I assume that, and by the way, totally fine if
it was. But is there a particular thing that you
called in to want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean, I've been watching your show for a while
and I feel like over the months there have been
different things that I've wanted to call in for, but
at this stage in my life, like it's it's I
don't know this the past couple of months, it's been
a lot of changes, new job, just feeling different in general.
(01:59):
At my previous job, I was super underworked, which was
like a weird feeling. I wanted to tell him about
that before.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You were feeling underworked? Yes, what what was that job?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I was doing? Like events for a nonprofit?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Okay, how many events does a nonprofit have per quarter?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Like you could do? Probably you could. You could do
one a week if you wanted to, but you I
wanted to have weekends. Like yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You okay, all right? So over the huh. So it
sounds like you had a lot of things that were
stressing you out, but now this happens to sometimes it's
like you have a lot of things that are stressing
you out, but then you let a little bit of
time pass and then you realize that it fucking didn't
(03:12):
matter at all. You know you were gonna be fine.
Is that what's happening right now? Or am I making
an a leap?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I guess you could say that somewhat of a leap,
Like I'm still adjusting to my new situation and adjusting
to a new state. I've been here for a year.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
What's the new state?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Massachusetts?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Massachusetts? What you're doing in Massachusetts?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I'm living my life, just walking around and walking in
the woods and cooking. Learned how to cook mochi the
other day.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's great, that's good. I'm not being a get go
What what are you is the adjustment? What are you
adjusting to? What do you feel like there is left
to adjust to?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You can't always say that's what's weird.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Is like.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
When you start a new grade or a new school
when you're growing up, it's it's very clear what there
is that you need to adjust to your like, oh, yeah,
I feel this way because I need friends, or I
feel which if it's like all of the above, and
you know, it's kind of hard to pinpoint one thing.
(04:44):
But I switched over to a new job that I
like more so that helped I've made a few friends now,
so it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
How old are you?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I just turned twenty four?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Very cool? Yeah, that's quick. Friends are the most important
thing in life. I do feel. I do feel friends
are the most important thing in life. Nothing really matters
if you if you don't have friends. Nothing about that?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, because not nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
What do you hold on when you so when you
think about when you said you think about that sometimes,
what do you think about when you're thinking about that?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I mean, I guess I think do I need to
spend more time with my friends and my peers or
do I need to spend more time by myself?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh, because that's an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I feel like at this stage of life, since I'm
new here, I really only know my girlfriend and so
we hang out together every day. But I feel like
your communication style kind of evolves in tandem with one person.
If you're only hanging out with one person every day,
(06:15):
you don't get all the new ideas, like you don't
get definitely, Yeah, Like I want to hear people say
like interesting novel things to me that it's like, where'd
you get that? I was talking with my one of
my new friends about this guy was friends with who
had all these really the time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That is a really funny It's just I'm sorry, I
want to let you finish, but that's a really really
funny way to talk about wanting new friends, because there
is truth to its total. I absolutely want to be
around people who are saying interesting novel things. That's one
(06:59):
of the exciting things about being around new people. Uh So,
I like the way you phrased that, So go ahead.
You met somebody who's a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh that was that was some friends I had. Well
I've met a few different conspiracy purities in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But okay, so you just so you just are hanging
out with your girlfriend and where would you if you
wanted to meet new people? Where would you go?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
M So, this is something I wanted to tell you. Yeah,
because it's I came up with this plot and I
call it like the old fashioned way of making friends, okay,
and it's you go to the bar once a week,
you go to the gym once a week, and you
go to church or whatever religious organization you go to
(07:53):
once a week. Look at and that's the old that's
how they did it in the whenever the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Look at this guy, look at this guy. He has
a plan. This guy is I did not.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I came up with that like a year ago and
I never really followed through.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, that's a great plan. I like that plan.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean the gym.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The gym, well, I mean the gym's the gym is
good because it just makes you feel better, but it's
not I've never particularly saw saw the gym as a
social activity. I mean, I have a friend or two
that I'll go to the gym with, but it's not
a situation where I've ever met new people doing it.
You could do like there's you know, classes, or like
(08:39):
you could you could file that, you know what instead
of the gym. You could file it under like fucking
physical activity, right, like do a fucking soccer or whatever
thing or you know, go bouldering or some shit like that.
You know. Yeah, I like that plan. You go to
the church once a week, you go to the what
(09:00):
was the fucking other one though? Uh, the bar, go
to the bar once a week, and you go to
the do a physical activity once a week. That's like
three days a week that you're Yeah, and then when
you're in while you're there, you got to challenge yourself
to talk to some new people, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, I don't know how to approach strangers. I never
really learned. I mean I was the kid in high
school who would walk around and say hi to every
single person in the hallway that I possibly could, and
I got to know like half the school. But then
you go to and you're just the weirdo. So I stopped. Yeah,
(09:43):
it was like the friendly kid.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Wait a minute, really, when you say, can you tell
me more about this? You went up to everyone around
you and said hello.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah. It was like my whole thing was I got so.
I studied sociology in college, among other things, but I
did that partly because in high school I was super
into making these surveys and like going around to everyone
(10:19):
in the school and like asking them, you know, a
multiple choice question and then like getting all that information.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You would ask people multiple choice questions.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, that was like what I did during lunch every day.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
What kind of like just for fun, Like this wasn't
an assignment. You just did this for fun.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, questions.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Can I hear some of the questions that you might
have asked?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It was like, I mean, one of them, it was
anything from like where would you land your spaceship if
you were a Martian invading Earth and you want to
set up like a new capital city, okay, and everyone
would choose that and then.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Or some of them would be effect Was this effective
for you? Do you feel like you do you feel
more integrated into the larger community as a result of
your surveys?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I think I did. I think people saw me. I
was like a familiar face, even if I didn't have
a lot of super close friends.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And then you tried this again in college and people
thought you were weird.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh I didn't. I didn't do that in college.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But but you, but you alluded to that you said
something that you felt weird.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, just like saying hi to everyone you pass and
like because it's not normal to stay hi to everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, but I learned that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So if someone could you imagine that guy where like
you walk past you walk past them and you say hello,
and then they go, look at that fuck their fucking
asshole saying hello to me. It's like, you know, screw
that guy. That's not Yeah, even if that, even if
that is a guy that you imagine in your head,
the guy who when you say hi to them, he goes,
what a fucking horrible man saying hi to everyone? Yea,
(12:23):
even if that is the guy, even if the guy
you have in your head exists, that's that you know,
it doesn't matter because you were never going to reach
him anyway, and I don't know if you wanted to
even talk to that person.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
See, I've noticed I have less social anxiety just walking
around in the mornings here and then because there's something
to say. You say good morning when you watch and
like I went to Mexico recently, and you have good morning,
(12:56):
good afternoon, good evening, all in your toolbox. You say
good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What's good? Buenos dias, buenos tardes, buenos nochez.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, it's very reassuring. And one time I said all
up to someone I passed on the street and they
looked at me like I was crazy. So you have
should start those three you should.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, you should start just around your around uh Boston,
being just saying buenos to people and see what happens.
That could be kind of fun Yeah, that is that
is funny. That is funny that when you like walk
around in the mornings because there's something to talk about,
(13:41):
which is the fact that it's morning. It's like you
don't have to scramble for something to connect with others on.
You can just connect with them on the simple level
that that it is morning slash afternoons slash evening. That's good,
that's good. Yeah, do you Okay, so you were just
(14:06):
hanging out with your girlfriend, but do you have friends?
In Massachusetts already?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I met the very It took like a year to
make to start making friends, which I think I could
have done it in less than that. But we're here now,
and yeah, I hung out with two friends in the
past week.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Two friends is good. Two friends is good. There's some
I was watching some stupid YouTube video and it said
something like most Americans haven't have Americans have an average
of two friends. So, but an average is not Like,
so there's a lot of lonely people who have no friends,
and then a lot of socialites so have a lot
(14:52):
of friends. You add them all together and divide it
by whatever, and you get to you get two friends
a pop. So if you got to at least two friends,
you're doing good. You're better than the national average.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's weird when you have friends you can't
see too much in different time zone, different part of
the country because you feel like you can feel yourself
like growing apart.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, what's your name again, Dave? Dave? Well, let's see
do we have any you know what? I want to
take some questions from the chat. I don't know why
I like taking questions from the Actually I do know why.
I don't know why I said I don't know why.
(15:47):
Actually I do know why. I said. I don't know why.
I said I don't know why because I lacked confidence
in my decision. M hm, and so I'm gonna have
confidence in my decision. Sorry, I'm acting like a lunatic.
All right, Let's get some questions from the chat. If
the chat has any questions for Dave. Someone wants to
(16:08):
know what car are you waiting for the title.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
To It's a Honda Odyssey Van.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Oh that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Uh yes. Someone said, do you think I'm going to
survive during this hurricane in Florida?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well? I think so, someone asked.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Someone asked, if if you have if you're gonna have
sex in the van?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Am I am I going to?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I guess we have? Have you?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yes? And no?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
How can it be? Yes? And yes and no. No.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
No. The first question yes, the second question no, because
I now use it as a second closet because we
don't have any closets here.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Wait will buzzer, wait wait wait wait wait, the question is, well,
let me see the question. Where does it say? Uh wait,
let me actually see what the actual question was. The
question was, yeah, have you he said, oh wait, the
(17:37):
question he said he he finna get niaky in the van.
And now someone just said, do you fucking it? I
think that was the question, so I guess whatever they
answer that question.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is no, I use it for storage. Okay, I have
so much stuff in there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Okay, somebody No, somebody said, he's trying to say he
has had sex in the van already, but he is
not going to in the future. Yeah, you got it,
all right, okay, all right, that's what I thought. All Right,
we'll take one more question from the chat. Let's see,
uh oh, what is your what's your favorite band?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I don't I don't have one anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Everything is so cryptic with you.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I see. I feel like.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I don't think that's such a cryptic answer. No, no, no,
because that is an answer, right you You said I
don't have one? Anymore which used to have but and
you but you did that on as the leading things.
But it's okay, what's the What was the band that
you had? Had a favorite one.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
In college? I really liked like eighties Scottish rock, Bay
And for some reason, so I listened to a lot
of the Water Boys and Big Country and that other
one I can't remember, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's cool. Eighties Scottish rock. Is there a fucking do
they have a what's the name of that instrument? What's
the name of the come on? What's the name of
that hurdy gurdy? No, they're what harmonica? The bagpipes? Do
they play bagpipes in the Scottish rock bands?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, they but they would so they would modify their
guitars to kind of sound like bad bagpipes, a little
bit like the electric guitars. Yeah, electric Scottish.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Well, Dave, was this was this conversation? Did you enjoy
having this conversation?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I think so. I know that's cryptic.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I was expected nothing less.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I would like to ask you for some advice though,
just to get I need to I need to think
of what is the most pressing thing right now? Mm hmm, Okay,
(20:29):
I guess mm hmm. So I'm pretty I'm pretty not antisocial.
But I used to be a lot more social, as
(20:49):
I said, you know, high school, college, and then now
I kind of I feel like and I feel like
a lot of people feel like since COVID, we've kind
of just been un learning, like all of our social
skills that we had built up. I would you learn them?
(21:15):
Want to? How would how would you get those back?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
How'd I re learn social skills?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Mm hmmm that you had at one point that stage
in your life.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But you know, let you know, I don't want to
give you advice because you don't really need my advice.
You had it down pretty well. You were like, I'm
going to go to the I'm going to do my
physical activity. I'm going to go to the church, and
I'm going to go to what's the fucking third one?
Damn it? The bar? At the bar, there's no you
just just go just go to them and talk to
(21:47):
people and try your best. There's no there's no magic,
don't know. Don't do it for me, do it for you, man. No,
you're right, there's uh yeah, yeah, I have I have
no ad But you had it down great. I loved
the plan. You had a plan. I loved the plan.
Good to your plan. M hmm. I'll see you at
(22:15):
a church or I guess I won't because Jewish.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
But you know, maybe you're ever going to come to Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Am I ever gonna come to New Hampshire. I'm gonna
be so honest with you. I don't think I'll ever
come to New Hampshire. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I don't like to promise. I try not. I'm not
always successful, but I try not to. I don't want
to just be like, yeah, no, man, totally going to go.
I don't see a reason.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's a pretty rare Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well I don't. I I might. I don't know if
I will. I might die having never gone to New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's somewhat unfortunate, but you're not. There's other similar places
to see.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, there's other places I'm sure that I'll probably go to.
But Dave, is there anything else you want to say
to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
See, I haven't prepared for this, but.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You don't need to prepare whatever is in your head, Dave.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I guess just speak from the heart, even if it's cryptic.
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Already knew it was going to be I was prepared
for it to be cryptic. Please, yeah, no, that was
my advice. Oh oh oh shit. All right, Well thank you, Dave,
good luck, good luck. Stick with the plan. All right,
it's a good plan.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
All right, I'll try my best. Nice talking.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Crap. I hung up on him. Well I didn't really.
It was the end of the call. But it was
nice talking to you, to Dave. It's nice talking to
you too. I liked that plan. This you gotta do stuff.
This is the thing. There's no secret. I don't have
advice for him. My advice for him would have been
probably guess to go out and do stuff. But he
already knew that there was no He wasn't missing any information.
(24:19):
He was not of lack of info. There's like certain
I think certain times, when you have like a problem,
you try to convince yourself that you just don't have
enough information to solve your problem because you're procrastinating on
taking any actual action to solve your problem. I know
(24:42):
this from a lot of lived experience, and a lot
of experience. I continue to live where I'm like on
chatchy be to your Google being like how do I
lose weight? Or how do I do this? Or whatever?
And it's like, or how do I talk to people?
What do I like? You know? You know what? You
just do it. I guess maybe maybe I'm wrong, God
(25:09):
I don't. This is one thing I hate about having
a podcast is you say stuff and then it becomes
like you're right, but you're not. Just because you say
something in your podcast doesn't mean you're right. I just
want everyone to know that I might be wrong. I
might be wrong about everything, don't. I just want to
I'm just That's why I like talking to other people.
(25:30):
This is why I like talking to other people. I
like hearing other people's advice and lived experience because if
then if they're wrong, you know, it's not my fault.
But uh yeah, I think that you probably just do it.
Just go talk to people, go to church, go to
the bar, talk to some guy or girl. Live your life. Hello, Hello,
(25:59):
hiy Hi. What's your name? I'm Mina like with an M,
yeah and I an a Mina. What's up, Mina? How's
life has.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Been very fucking crazy lately? Very crazy?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I'd like for you, mister Gecko man how's.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Life for me, mister Gecko Man? Uh, well, actually, well,
over the past week, I've made some certain I'm trying
to live life a little bit more intentionally. I am. Yeah,
I'm doing actually pretty okay over the past week.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I'm glad to hear that, because like it's sound of
like you were, I don't know, the super depressed.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yes, yes, yes, it often on this podcast, does indeed
sound like I am super depressed? I accept that, I
acknowledge that. I'm happy to share that I did this.
I don't I don't know if people on the who
listen to this show know this, but I did this
like Vice interview earlier this year, and it came out
(27:04):
back in January, and I watched it and I was like,
this is a this is a professionally made documentary from
a major news outlet about how fucking depressed I am.
That's what this is. It's like twenty minutes of me
being depressed. And I watched that and I was like, oh,
I gotta change something because there's because you know, there's
(27:28):
that quote that's like if a documentary film crew followed
you around, what would they find and they just found
me like complaining? So you know I'm trying to get
but I'm also okay. But I'm also okay with sharing
it because I want if so. I'm sure a lot
of people listening to this shit are depressed, and so
(27:49):
if if I I think, if they see that I'm depressed,
maybe it'll make them feel less stupid about being depressed.
So anyway, okay, we did it. I got. I talked
about myself for the quota. I was trying to hit
go ahead, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Because so you were interviewed by Vice and all that.
I haven't gotten around to watching it, but I was
recently interviewed by NBC, and I just want to know
how did you feel after being interviewed after after an
air and shit, because me personally, like, I was so
excited in the moment, I was like telling my story
and things, and then as soon as it came out,
like I hate this so much. How do you say
(28:26):
about like your documentary, your experience with Essa.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I didn't. I didn't like it, but oh but as
nothing By the way, just as I want to make
it very clear, it has nothing to do with Vice
themselves or the people that were making their documentary. They
were very lovely they were very lovely. I just want
to make that very clear. It has to do with
I didn't like it because it kept I because it
here's what I feel like, it captured, you know, truthful
(28:53):
elements of my life, and I did not like those elements,
not because of anything with Doc itself. It's just it
like basically captured and it maybe like look in a mirror,
you know I and I didn't like, right, So that's
that's how I feel. But what were you interviewed about?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Because so I live in Florida, and you know, we
all love Florida so much, and I'm a trans woman
and I just graduated high school and basically I got
suspend it for using the women's back around my school.
And I'm not trying to get a political anything. I'm
talking what it's about. And so they were interviewing me
and a couple of other students about that, about our
experience as trans students and Florida and stuff like that.
(29:35):
And I was excited to tell my story because you know,
like there's a lot of people out there who need
to know about Florida and shing like that. But as
soon as they came out, I regretted it so much
because one like something crazy that I did not expect
is that I think getting handwritten letters to my house
from the same person, just like schizophrenic writing, and it's crazy.
(29:58):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean going on the news
and talking about something like that. I mean you totally,
it's it's you.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Know, no, I can't touch bro, like I listen, I
don't understand. I understand I'm obviously gonna get hate in shit.
But the letters that I have gotten. The letter I
got was this person talking about veganism and they were
telling me that I need to go vegan or I
need to repent for my sins because I'm not vegan,
and like they were just it was a you paid
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hand written letter just going off about that, being like
you want to be transgender, but you're not going to
be vegan, Like you're a hypocrite, and it's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So I want to well, so I want to talk
about a few things. Well, I guess what initially made
you excited about being able to go on the news
and tell your story and then how did how did
the outcome of that not match up to your expectations?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So, like I I was excited to be on NBC
because like, you know, like you're to a normal, average person, like,
oh my god, I'm going to be in the news,
Like that's so cool. They're writing a little documentary about me,
Like you know, that's why. Like I'm sure so many
people will go that way about being on the news.
Things like that. Everybody kind of likes attention. I also
just like to be able to tell my story, I guess,
to inform people about this. It's just a cool thing.
(31:21):
But what made me really hate it is that like
I feel like NBC like or I don't know, I
don't know how it works, but the people who uploaded
it NBC, I feel like after they uploaded it and
like they got all their clout and things like that,
they just like didn't support me at all. They were
just like okay, bye, like thank you for.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
The the video.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
What kind of support were you looking for from them?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So, like I don't know how to describe it. Like
so like, for example, in the documentary, a big part
of it was that I was supposed to go to
school in New York. I was supposed to go to
school in New York, and I was still tired to
go to school, and that's what they were interviewing me
about there, like Yo, you're finally going to get out
of Florida. But then a couple of weeks before I
was supposed to leave, I was like, damn, I actually
can't afford this and I have to stay in Florida.
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And then I reached out to NBC. I was like hey, like, hey, like,
I'm so sorry, Like I know you guys just did
a whole documentary about this, and but like I can't
go to New York. Like do you guys have any
scholarships available or anything that I can apply for it?
You're like no, sorry, but good luck. Like I just
felt a little used by that, you know. And then
after that they were like, oh, actually, can you send
us a video of you talking about how you can't
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go to New York anymore? And I was like, oh,
feels a little exploitive.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
So were you happy at all with like how the
peace came out? Do you feel like it was reflective
of what you wanted to say?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah? Totally, totally. There were some angles where I looked ugly,
but like you can't control all that, you know, Like
it's cool, it was nice.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Nice, So tell me so what I mean, what is
the story that that you wanted to tell? What's the like?
Did you you you are going to school? You're so
you just graduated high school?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, and I'm in college now, and and.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You're in college in Florida or in New York in
Florida now okay. And the idea was that you were
going to try to leave Florida to go to New York.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, that was leaving Florida. Like I was accepted
to the college and everything, but then, like I guess,
like a couple of miscalculations on the college's part. They
told me they're in state tuition, but I'm an out
of state tuition person, and so it was much more expensive.
And they just told me that like a couple of
weeks before.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Us with to leave.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Things like that.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, so what's up. How you doing?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm chilling.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
That was just a ram rant, a random rant. Win.
I didn't really I was scared. I didn't know what
to talk to you about.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's fine, that's okay. Uh hmmm, are you like so
your freshman? Well, we're I mean, are you what do
you go to school for?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I'm thinking about doing finance kind of boring, but I
think I'm gonna do financial accounting or something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Mm hmm. So are you still dealing with like, are
people harassing you because of the interview?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Not really, honestly, No, It's just that it's just that
one person who keeps like sending me letters. It's so weird.
I wish I could show them to you. They're still
fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, how they find your address.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
But and the thing is that I've moved houses and
they keep sending it to my old house, but then
I get forward to here, so they don't know my
address really, but I don't know how they found out
my years to address as well.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Uh huh uh Okay. So I mean, are you well,
you're freshmen and it's what they what yours? Oh, you're
like an incoming you're like a new freshman in college.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Or how's like, are you making friends? Are you enjoying life?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, it's it's okay, Like all this is hard and
there's a lot of pressure on an eighteen year old
to decide what they want to do for like the
rest of the next seventy years. Other life, I'm telling
I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, well you're not really well you're not really I
mean I don't want to I don't want to go
on my college rant for the eight hundred thousandth time.
But you're not really like, you're not really making like
a crazy big decision, unless if you're taking out a
whole bunch of debt to be there.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, you know, the thing is, it's the opposite situation.
I have a scholarship out here where it'll pay for
one hundred percent of my college only in Florida. Right,
I'll say for one hundred percent of its only in Florida. Beautiful, Like,
that's literally the most beautiful offer ever. But it's making
me out because it's like, what if I go through
my four years of college and then decide, oh, fuck
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the thing that I've been studying I actually don't want
to do at end, Boom, I just wasted like four
years of free college.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'll tell you what you do, you uh, spend the
next fifty eight years of your life doing whatever you
actually want to do.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, but then what if that requires going back to
college and I gotta fucking go into debt?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
What well, what would you have to what? What would
you have to do. That requires going back in college.
Because if you get your undergraduate degree, right, and then
you decide, oh, I actually want to go to medical
school or I want to go to this, or I
want to go to that, Like, you still have a
leg up because you have your undergraduate degree.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Right, right, I'll be making money even if I don't
want to do it, and then I could use that
money to go back to college.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, you're not. There's no like, yeah, sure, you go
to school and you're like, oh, I don't actually like finance.
But you're twenty two. You if you have fifty eight
if you're lucky, you've got to have fifty eight years
left until you die, and whatever you do with that
time is up to you. So you're you'll be fine.
(36:39):
I mean that's cool. Well yeah, but also, I mean
you'd be more fucked if you were going to debt.
The fact that you're not going to debt makes you
less fucked.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
So it is a little less stressful, I guess in
a way, because like then I wouldn't be I'm not
taking on debt right now, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, oh no, if you can go to college for free,
go to college for free, it would only be a
huge waste of time and money if you were going
into debt, So you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Be yeah, yeah, all right, all right, all right, right,
you sound a lot different on the phone.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
That's interesting that people I sound I have a phony
phone voice.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
It's not even a phone voice. It's like it sounds
so staticky.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Mina, yeah, Nina, Well Mina, thanks for calling in. I
don't know if any of this conversation.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Was conversation was boring. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, No, it's not that it was boring. Well, was
there anything else you wanted to say before we go
or talk about I just wanted to give you the.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Not necessarily all right, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Not fucked, don't worry about it. The fact that you
got to go to school for free is great. I
only hate college when it's like you spend a ship
ton of because yeah, if you're if you're debt free
and you have like I don't know, I don't know
if you have anything saved or you're at at least
you're at zero and not negative, you're not fucked. So
I don't think you should like go to college for
I went to college for film.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Mmm. Okay, okay, okay, that's so.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
And my boyfriend, if you kind of kind of want
to go to.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
College for so okay, well tell them not to go
into debt to do it. Okay, all right, take care
of did all right?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Bye?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Bye bye? Hello?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Hi? Hi?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
What is your name? My name is Natalie, Natalie. What's up? Natalie?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Hi? So this is kind of crazy. I've been listening
to you for like years, so the fact that I
got on, I've been calling so many times over the
past few years. So thank you for taking it.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, thank you for calling. I'm still pretty I feel
very honored that after all this time people, I'm still
getting to talk to new people. So I'm glad to
be chatting with you too, My friend. What's up?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So, I'm kind of trying to call you because I've
been trying to get into I'm applaying for grad school
right now, and I honestly just don't know if it's
worth it anymore. I do need your advice.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'll try my best. What are you applying for.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
English?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So you know, I'm okay, what do you want to
do with your life?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I want to be a professor. So it's like very niche,
but you know, I want to get my PhD and
I'm just barely getting my bachelor's, so it's like pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Do you need to get your master's and do you
need to go to grad school for English to be
a professor?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Basically yeah, because I kind of want to do community
college professor because I live in California, so the community
college system is pretty good. But I basically need a
PhD to do anything.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
So why are you on the fence about it?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I don't know if I'm like ready, I guess I
don't want to take a gap year, but I feel
like I asked it for professor basically for a letter
of recommendation the other day, and they said, while I
did great, that they just think I should broaden my horizons.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Basically what they didn't want to give you a letter
of recommendation.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, they basically said, oh, you should try applying to
other places. But I didn't specify that. I'm just trying
to come back to our university. But they bless you.
But I don't know, not.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Fuck them cold as hell? Not that's cold. No, that's cold.
That's annoying. No, that's annoying. I'm sorry, that's fucking annoying,
that's cold. Let's write a letter of recommendation. Jesus Christ.
Nobody is anyone whoever their professor is is. I really think, uh,
something's going to get back to them, like, oh, she's
not going to do well. It's going to reflect poorly
on me.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I was like, dude, if I'm asking you for it,
but you think it's not a good choice, like, that's
on me for asking you. I guess, just just say
you don't want to write it. Don't give me this
long ass email excuse. Just say you don't want to
write it.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That's a chowd move, I think. But anyway, so whatever,
who cares?
Speaker 3 (41:06):
What?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Like, what do you want to fucking do?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I want to become a doctor, like have my doctorate
because I'm the first of my family to go to college.
So it's just pretty intense in that way.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
While you okay, so I mean you want to be
an English professor, and I still hold on, Natalie is
your name?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, Natalie.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I still don't understand why you don't want to go.
You've said that this is what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I think I was just talking to two of my
friends right before this I think about it. I think
it's just that I'm scared that I feel like, what
if I fail, what if you fail? What if I fail?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
What if you like if you get bad grades or
just I.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Don't even know, or I think I'm also scared of
the rejection letters that like, what if I don't get
into anywhere, because I'm being kind of selective with them.
So I think I'm just more about the fact that
I could get told no, like the professor. That's what
me know.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, but what I mean, what's the alternative is just
you're not going to do anything.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I guess, I don't know, take a gap year, become
like a freaking Starbucks manager.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
I don't know, dude, I mean, you can take a
gap here and become a freaking Starbucks manager.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, it's true. I don't know. I think I've just
been I've been listening to your podcast a lot lately,
and I've been hearing you talk about life and about
how you've been like kind of on the fence about
it and just in general, like why are we here?
And I feel like that's kind of where I'm getting at,
Like where why am I? What am I doing with
my life? Really I'm twenty two. I don't know, dude,
(42:53):
Like I feel like I'm kind of behind.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Sure, yeah, what do we do with what? I've been
thinking about this a lot. And maybe this is just
like a like like a YouTube motivational thing. But well,
first of all, I think I have it. Like, there
is a privilege in struggling with what you want to
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do with your life. There's an achievement in that, right
because you're not you have enough. You can eat food
and drink water and live in a place and as
and as a result of that, you get to move
on to the next level, which is what do I
want to do with my life? So that's a good
thing off the bat, you know, that's a nice that's
a nice position to be in.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I think that's true. That's a good way to look
at it.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
So, I mean, what do you do The whole thing
of like you're afraid that you're going to get rejected,
is that's a dumb reason not to do something that
you want to do.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
That's true. That is very that's very true.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, No, there's a lot, there's a lot of Uh,
A smart reason to not want to go to grad
school is because, uh, you don't want to do it,
and like your parents are telling you that you should
do it, or like you think you have to.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
No, yeah, that's not bad. That would be different. My
thing is also money, but you know, usually those are funded.
So it's like, that's why I'm going into the PhD
and not masters first, because masters are not usually funded.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, you have to go into are you going? Are
you taking out loans and ship?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah? I've already taken out a couple of loans from
my bachelor's which is oh fuck hurting.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, so you're going to take out more loans?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, and I have, Like so I guess that's another
thing is like the money. I'm already probably like twenty
thirty k that overall, which.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Burts, And then how much that would you be in
after you graduate from grad school?
Speaker 3 (45:05):
If I got into a master's program, that could be
an additional thirty thousand if it was a PhD, Like
I said, those are usually get funded, so it wouldn't
be as much money, but it would still be a
good chunk.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Okay, and then what do you then? And then the
only thing you the main thing you want to do
is be an English professor.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, that is pretty much like the goal for me
because I want to give back to like my community
college that I came from.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Okay, uh, look, I don't hate it. I don't hate
the plan. I don't hate the plan. Yeah, the plan.
I'm anti debt in general, but like for some shit
like this where you have to have a degree to
be a professor, I don't think that that's a horrible
amount of debt, especially if this is like the career
you want to get into for you know, a long
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period of time.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
So that's true.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I really feel I always feel funny on this show
when I play pretend guidance.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Counselor No, I mean are hearing because it's just hearing
you talk about it kind of helps me talk through it.
I guess, Okay, good cool lately, Yeah, because I mean
I'm reading the chat. Should but I know that I
don't need a degree to give back to the community necessarily.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Too. There's that too, if you just want to give
back to the community. I mean you can do that
in a billion different ways. Yeah. So I'm gonna just
here's what I'm gonna use my official stance upon this. Okay,
let me give you my official fucking geck laydown all right,
you you're afraid of failure, but it doesn't really matter
(46:49):
because you should just go for it. And then if
you get accepted into these schools, then greats, and you
can use that as your vessel for giving back to
the community. Okay, but if you don't, you don't have
to cry and be like, oh my god, I can
never do anything ever in my life is over. You
can just be like, all right, how are the some
(47:10):
other ways that I can give back to my community?
You know, so you're gonna no matter what you will.
If your goal is that you want to get back
to the community, you can do that forever, and you
can do that until you're dead. So don't don't freak
out about it.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I didn't think about it.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Leave that.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Nice. Oh man, I've been drinking so much. I'm gonna
get I'm gonna Can I use some of your call
time to give a free advertisement?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Please do? I would love that.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
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But this one, it's just this. It's a cup of coffee.
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Speaker 3 (48:35):
Okay, that's yeah, that's true. I don't know. No, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Your pause of confusion is not lost upon me, because
there's there's also diet mountain dew. There's diet mountain dew
and mountain dew zero sugar. I don't know what the
fucking difference is between those, and there's like pepsi zero sugar.
There's pepsi zero and like what are they're all the
(49:00):
same fucking I don't know what the difference between the
diet and the zero sugar. But anyway, I actually do
know the difference.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
If you're curious.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah, I am curious.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
What is it? I was just talking to someone about
this yesterday, diet drinks. I don't know what the actual
difference differences, but I know the difference and tastes. The
difference of diet drinks is there less serrupy and the
zero ones taste more like the actual regular drink?
Speaker 1 (49:26):
You know, Natalie, if I could, I'd just give you
a PhD right now for having explained that I'm endowed
by no legitimate education board unfortunately. Is there anything else
do you want to say to the people of the
computer before we go?
Speaker 3 (49:40):
No, just keep on keeping on. I appreciate you taking
my call again, Lyle. It's been a long time coming.
And I hope I can go to your live show
in La Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah yeah, come through. It'll be a good time.
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It's so good, it's so good. I don't know, dude,
I don't know what anyone should do with their life.
I guess I don't know. Maybe I know things. I'm
trying to. I'm trying this. It feels like such a
fucking douchebag, but I'm trying to. I feel like I
know a little bit. I don't know everything, but like something,
(50:40):
you just I think deep. I think I know some things,
but I'm always like I'm a piece of ship. I
don't know anything. But then I'll like see some kid
on TikTok or YouTube, and I'll see them talking like
with authority, like they know things. They're not like saying
I suck every two seconds and I don't know anything.
They're like talking as if they know stuff. And I'm like, well,
that guy's fucking on TikTok talking about like he knows things.
(51:04):
People listen to my stuff. I know stuff. I think
I know a couple of things. I don't know everything. No,
I'm a piece of shit. I don't know anything. I
don't know any Maybe I know, I don't know. I
feel I know a few Here's what I'll settle on.
(51:25):
I think I know a few things. I certainly feel
as though I have lived experience experience, but as we all,
as every person alive does, I have thoughts, but they
just pale in comparison to the everything that I don't know.
(51:47):
And I think everyone has the same amount of like
lived experience. I guess everyone of every age maybe, But
it's not it's not really like a quo like I.
We're sort of living in this like collective conscious. So
it's very when you try to like compare the amount
of things you know to the amount of things somebody
(52:10):
else's know knows You're it's apples and oranges. Those are
two different things. You know, they're part of a different
collective thing. See that right there? Just what did I
just say? I said they're part of a different collective thing.
That part didn't I had me and then I lost
me when I said that phrase. Just now, I sometimes
I wonder if I can do a whole podcast of
(52:32):
just ranting into a microphone, no callers. Just I wrote
that down in my notes at I was like, try
to do it. I was, that's one of my future goals.
I want to do one of these podcasts, no calls,
just ranting. The entire forty forty five minutes of ranting.
(52:54):
Mark Marin does it. He opens every one of his
podcasts by just ranting, for like by himself twelve minutes.
I could do that. I could do that right now.
I could keep this post call thought going for another
forty minutes. So this is all sponsored by Mountain Die
Mountain Dew. The ninety one milligrams of caffeine in Die
(53:16):
Mountain Dew is what is allowing me to continue talking
for this long. So yeah, maybe I'll do that. I'm
not gonna do that right now, although this has been
a long post call thought, and I could keep going
for an hour, but I don't want to. But part
of me wants to know. I'm not gonna do it
right now. I'm gonna if when I do that, it's
(53:36):
gonna be a conceited it's gonna be a I'm gonna
I'm gonna sit down knowing that's what I'm gonna try
to do. I'm not gonna do it spontaneously, all right,
we have to move on or else I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Again goes on the line, taking calls every night every
be Again.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Goes to teaching and to be a line
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Expect
Hi. What's your name?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
My name is Let's go with Dave.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Dave. What's up, Dave? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm doing pretty good. I'm just hanging out waiting by
my window because I'm getting an important package today. But
my apartment doesn't have a buzzer, so he's hanging out
waiting for the mailman.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And if you're like a wife at the pier waiting
for her sailor husband to return to.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Her, yeah, it feels very wistful kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, yeah, that may. I ask what's in the package
that you're waiting for?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is the title to my car because it's it
was my parents' car, butet we're transferring it, but they
live out of state, so just hanging out.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Okay, that's nice. That's quite an adult because I remember
when I was a kid and I was waiting for package,
it was usually like a toy or a game or something.
And now where now that we're old, we're waiting for
the title to our car, which is and we're just
as excited because it feels good to complete the navigation
(01:15):
of bureaucracy in a competent way. Yes, hopefully it's well, Weave, Dave,
I assume that, and by the way, totally fine if
it was. But is there a particular thing that you
called in to want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean, I've been watching your show for a while
and I feel like over the months there have been
different things that I've wanted to call in for, but
at this stage in my life, like it's it's I
don't know this the past couple of months, it's been
a lot of changes, new job, just feeling different in general.
(01:59):
At my previous job, I was super underworked, which was
like a weird feeling. I wanted to tell him about
that before.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You were feeling underworked? Yes, what what was that job?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I was doing? Like events for a nonprofit?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Okay, how many events does a nonprofit have per quarter?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Like you could do? Probably you could. You could do
one a week if you wanted to, but you I
wanted to have weekends. Like yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You okay, all right? So over the huh. So it
sounds like you had a lot of things that were
stressing you out, but now this happens to sometimes it's
like you have a lot of things that are stressing
you out, but then you let a little bit of
time pass and then you realize that it fucking didn't
(03:12):
matter at all. You know you were gonna be fine.
Is that what's happening right now? Or am I making
an a leap?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I guess you could say that somewhat of a leap,
Like I'm still adjusting to my new situation and adjusting
to a new state. I've been here for a year.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
What's the new state?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Massachusetts?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Massachusetts? What you're doing in Massachusetts?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I'm living my life, just walking around and walking in
the woods and cooking. Learned how to cook mochi the
other day.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's great, that's good. I'm not being a get go
What what are you is the adjustment? What are you
adjusting to? What do you feel like there is left
to adjust to?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You can't always say that's what's weird.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Is like.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
When you start a new grade or a new school
when you're growing up, it's it's very clear what there
is that you need to adjust to your like, oh, yeah,
I feel this way because I need friends, or I
feel which if it's like all of the above, and
you know, it's kind of hard to pinpoint one thing.
(04:44):
But I switched over to a new job that I
like more so that helped I've made a few friends now,
so it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
How old are you?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I just turned twenty four?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Very cool? Yeah, that's quick. Friends are the most important
thing in life. I do feel. I do feel friends
are the most important thing in life. Nothing really matters
if you if you don't have friends. Nothing about that?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, because not nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
What do you hold on when you so when you
think about when you said you think about that sometimes,
what do you think about when you're thinking about that?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I mean, I guess I think do I need to
spend more time with my friends and my peers or
do I need to spend more time by myself?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh, because that's an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I feel like at this stage of life, since I'm
new here, I really only know my girlfriend and so
we hang out together every day. But I feel like
your communication style kind of evolves in tandem with one person.
If you're only hanging out with one person every day,
(06:15):
you don't get all the new ideas, like you don't
get definitely, Yeah, Like I want to hear people say
like interesting novel things to me that it's like, where'd
you get that? I was talking with my one of
my new friends about this guy was friends with who
had all these really the time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That is a really funny It's just I'm sorry, I
want to let you finish, but that's a really really
funny way to talk about wanting new friends, because there
is truth to its total. I absolutely want to be
around people who are saying interesting novel things. That's one
(06:59):
of the exciting things about being around new people. Uh So,
I like the way you phrased that, So go ahead.
You met somebody who's a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh that was that was some friends I had. Well
I've met a few different conspiracy purities in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But okay, so you just so you just are hanging
out with your girlfriend and where would you if you
wanted to meet new people? Where would you go?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
M So, this is something I wanted to tell you. Yeah,
because it's I came up with this plot and I
call it like the old fashioned way of making friends, okay,
and it's you go to the bar once a week,
you go to the gym once a week, and you
go to church or whatever religious organization you go to
(07:53):
once a week. Look at and that's the old that's
how they did it in the whenever the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Look at this guy, look at this guy. He has
a plan. This guy is I did not.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I came up with that like a year ago and
I never really followed through.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, that's a great plan. I like that plan.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean the gym.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The gym, well, I mean the gym's the gym is
good because it just makes you feel better, but it's
not I've never particularly saw saw the gym as a
social activity. I mean, I have a friend or two
that I'll go to the gym with, but it's not
a situation where I've ever met new people doing it.
You could do like there's you know, classes, or like
(08:39):
you could you could file that, you know what instead
of the gym. You could file it under like fucking
physical activity, right, like do a fucking soccer or whatever
thing or you know, go bouldering or some shit like that.
You know. Yeah, I like that plan. You go to
the church once a week, you go to the what
(09:00):
was the fucking other one though? Uh, the bar, go
to the bar once a week, and you go to
the do a physical activity once a week. That's like
three days a week that you're Yeah, and then when
you're in while you're there, you got to challenge yourself
to talk to some new people, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, I don't know how to approach strangers. I never
really learned. I mean I was the kid in high
school who would walk around and say hi to every
single person in the hallway that I possibly could, and
I got to know like half the school. But then
you go to and you're just the weirdo. So I stopped. Yeah,
(09:43):
it was like the friendly kid.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Wait a minute, really, when you say, can you tell
me more about this? You went up to everyone around
you and said hello.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah. It was like my whole thing was I got so.
I studied sociology in college, among other things, but I
did that partly because in high school I was super
into making these surveys and like going around to everyone
(10:19):
in the school and like asking them, you know, a
multiple choice question and then like getting all that information.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You would ask people multiple choice questions.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, that was like what I did during lunch every day.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
What kind of like just for fun, Like this wasn't
an assignment. You just did this for fun.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, questions.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Can I hear some of the questions that you might
have asked?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It was like, I mean, one of them, it was
anything from like where would you land your spaceship if
you were a Martian invading Earth and you want to
set up like a new capital city, okay, and everyone
would choose that and then.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Or some of them would be effect Was this effective
for you? Do you feel like you do you feel
more integrated into the larger community as a result of
your surveys?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I think I did. I think people saw me. I
was like a familiar face, even if I didn't have
a lot of super close friends.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And then you tried this again in college and people
thought you were weird.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh I didn't. I didn't do that in college.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But but you, but you alluded to that you said
something that you felt weird.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, just like saying hi to everyone you pass and
like because it's not normal to stay hi to everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, but I learned that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So if someone could you imagine that guy where like
you walk past you walk past them and you say hello,
and then they go, look at that fuck their fucking
asshole saying hello to me. It's like, you know, screw
that guy. That's not Yeah, even if that, even if
that is a guy that you imagine in your head,
the guy who when you say hi to them, he goes,
what a fucking horrible man saying hi to everyone? Yea,
(12:23):
even if that is the guy, even if the guy
you have in your head exists, that's that you know,
it doesn't matter because you were never going to reach
him anyway, and I don't know if you wanted to
even talk to that person.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
See, I've noticed I have less social anxiety just walking
around in the mornings here and then because there's something
to say. You say good morning when you watch and
like I went to Mexico recently, and you have good morning,
(12:56):
good afternoon, good evening, all in your toolbox. You say
good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What's good? Buenos dias, buenos tardes, buenos nochez.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, it's very reassuring. And one time I said all
up to someone I passed on the street and they
looked at me like I was crazy. So you have
should start those three you should.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, you should start just around your around uh Boston,
being just saying buenos to people and see what happens.
That could be kind of fun Yeah, that is that
is funny. That is funny that when you like walk
around in the mornings because there's something to talk about,
(13:41):
which is the fact that it's morning. It's like you
don't have to scramble for something to connect with others on.
You can just connect with them on the simple level
that that it is morning slash afternoons slash evening. That's good,
that's good. Yeah, do you Okay, so you were just
(14:06):
hanging out with your girlfriend, but do you have friends?
In Massachusetts already?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I met the very It took like a year to
make to start making friends, which I think I could
have done it in less than that. But we're here now,
and yeah, I hung out with two friends in the
past week.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Two friends is good. Two friends is good. There's some
I was watching some stupid YouTube video and it said
something like most Americans haven't have Americans have an average
of two friends. So, but an average is not Like,
so there's a lot of lonely people who have no friends,
and then a lot of socialites so have a lot
(14:52):
of friends. You add them all together and divide it
by whatever, and you get to you get two friends
a pop. So if you got to at least two friends,
you're doing good. You're better than the national average.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's weird when you have friends you can't
see too much in different time zone, different part of
the country because you feel like you can feel yourself
like growing apart.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, what's your name again, Dave? Dave? Well, let's see
do we have any you know what? I want to
take some questions from the chat. I don't know why
I like taking questions from the Actually I do know why.
I don't know why I said I don't know why.
(15:47):
Actually I do know why. I said. I don't know why.
I said I don't know why because I lacked confidence
in my decision. M hm, and so I'm gonna have
confidence in my decision. Sorry, I'm acting like a lunatic.
All right, Let's get some questions from the chat. If
the chat has any questions for Dave. Someone wants to
(16:08):
know what car are you waiting for the title.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
To It's a Honda Odyssey Van.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Oh that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Uh yes. Someone said, do you think I'm going to
survive during this hurricane in Florida?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well? I think so, someone asked.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Someone asked, if if you have if you're gonna have
sex in the van?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Am I am I going to?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I guess we have? Have you?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yes? And no?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
How can it be? Yes? And yes and no. No.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
No. The first question yes, the second question no, because
I now use it as a second closet because we
don't have any closets here.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Wait will buzzer, wait wait wait wait wait, the question is, well,
let me see the question. Where does it say? Uh wait,
let me actually see what the actual question was. The
question was, yeah, have you he said, oh wait, the
(17:37):
question he said he he finna get niaky in the van.
And now someone just said, do you fucking it? I
think that was the question, so I guess whatever they
answer that question.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is no, I use it for storage. Okay, I have
so much stuff in there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Okay, somebody No, somebody said, he's trying to say he
has had sex in the van already, but he is
not going to in the future. Yeah, you got it,
all right, okay, all right, that's what I thought. All Right,
we'll take one more question from the chat. Let's see,
uh oh, what is your what's your favorite band?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I don't I don't have one anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Everything is so cryptic with you.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I see. I feel like.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I don't think that's such a cryptic answer. No, no, no,
because that is an answer, right you You said I
don't have one? Anymore which used to have but and
you but you did that on as the leading things.
But it's okay, what's the What was the band that
you had? Had a favorite one.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
In college? I really liked like eighties Scottish rock, Bay
And for some reason, so I listened to a lot
of the Water Boys and Big Country and that other
one I can't remember, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's cool. Eighties Scottish rock. Is there a fucking do
they have a what's the name of that instrument? What's
the name of the come on? What's the name of
that hurdy gurdy? No, they're what harmonica? The bagpipes? Do
they play bagpipes in the Scottish rock bands?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, they but they would so they would modify their
guitars to kind of sound like bad bagpipes, a little
bit like the electric guitars. Yeah, electric Scottish.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Well, Dave, was this was this conversation? Did you enjoy
having this conversation?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I think so. I know that's cryptic.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I was expected nothing less.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I would like to ask you for some advice though,
just to get I need to I need to think
of what is the most pressing thing right now? Mm hmm, Okay,
(20:29):
I guess mm hmm. So I'm pretty I'm pretty not antisocial.
But I used to be a lot more social, as
(20:49):
I said, you know, high school, college, and then now
I kind of I feel like and I feel like
a lot of people feel like since COVID, we've kind
of just been un learning, like all of our social
skills that we had built up. I would you learn them?
(21:15):
Want to? How would how would you get those back?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
How'd I re learn social skills?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Mm hmmm that you had at one point that stage
in your life.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But you know, let you know, I don't want to
give you advice because you don't really need my advice.
You had it down pretty well. You were like, I'm
going to go to the I'm going to do my
physical activity. I'm going to go to the church, and
I'm going to go to what's the fucking third one?
Damn it? The bar? At the bar, there's no you
just just go just go to them and talk to
(21:47):
people and try your best. There's no there's no magic,
don't know. Don't do it for me, do it for you, man. No,
you're right, there's uh yeah, yeah, I have I have
no ad But you had it down great. I loved
the plan. You had a plan. I loved the plan.
Good to your plan. M hmm. I'll see you at
(22:15):
a church or I guess I won't because Jewish.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
But you know, maybe you're ever going to come to Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Am I ever gonna come to New Hampshire. I'm gonna
be so honest with you. I don't think I'll ever
come to New Hampshire. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I don't like to promise. I try not. I'm not
always successful, but I try not to. I don't want
to just be like, yeah, no, man, totally going to go.
I don't see a reason.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's a pretty rare Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well I don't. I I might. I don't know if
I will. I might die having never gone to New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's somewhat unfortunate, but you're not. There's other similar places
to see.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, there's other places I'm sure that I'll probably go to.
But Dave, is there anything else you want to say
to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
See, I haven't prepared for this, but.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You don't need to prepare whatever is in your head, Dave.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I guess just speak from the heart, even if it's cryptic.
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Already knew it was going to be I was prepared
for it to be cryptic. Please, yeah, no, that was
my advice. Oh oh oh shit. All right, Well thank you, Dave,
good luck, good luck. Stick with the plan. All right,
it's a good plan.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
All right, I'll try my best. Nice talking.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Crap. I hung up on him. Well I didn't really.
It was the end of the call. But it was
nice talking to you, to Dave. It's nice talking to
you too. I liked that plan. This you gotta do stuff.
This is the thing. There's no secret. I don't have
advice for him. My advice for him would have been
probably guess to go out and do stuff. But he
already knew that there was no He wasn't missing any information.
(24:19):
He was not of lack of info. There's like certain
I think certain times, when you have like a problem,
you try to convince yourself that you just don't have
enough information to solve your problem because you're procrastinating on
taking any actual action to solve your problem. I know
(24:42):
this from a lot of lived experience, and a lot
of experience. I continue to live where I'm like on
chatchy be to your Google being like how do I
lose weight? Or how do I do this? Or whatever?
And it's like, or how do I talk to people?
What do I like? You know? You know what? You
just do it. I guess maybe maybe I'm wrong, God
(25:09):
I don't. This is one thing I hate about having
a podcast is you say stuff and then it becomes
like you're right, but you're not. Just because you say
something in your podcast doesn't mean you're right. I just
want everyone to know that I might be wrong. I
might be wrong about everything, don't. I just want to
I'm just That's why I like talking to other people.
(25:30):
This is why I like talking to other people. I
like hearing other people's advice and lived experience because if
then if they're wrong, you know, it's not my fault.
But uh yeah, I think that you probably just do it.
Just go talk to people, go to church, go to
the bar, talk to some guy or girl. Live your life. Hello, Hello,
(25:59):
hiy Hi. What's your name? I'm Mina like with an M,
yeah and I an a Mina. What's up, Mina? How's
life has.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Been very fucking crazy lately? Very crazy?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I'd like for you, mister Gecko man how's.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Life for me, mister Gecko Man? Uh, well, actually, well,
over the past week, I've made some certain I'm trying
to live life a little bit more intentionally. I am. Yeah,
I'm doing actually pretty okay over the past week.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I'm glad to hear that, because like it's sound of
like you were, I don't know, the super depressed.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yes, yes, yes, it often on this podcast, does indeed
sound like I am super depressed? I accept that, I
acknowledge that. I'm happy to share that I did this.
I don't I don't know if people on the who
listen to this show know this, but I did this
like Vice interview earlier this year, and it came out
(27:04):
back in January, and I watched it and I was like,
this is a this is a professionally made documentary from
a major news outlet about how fucking depressed I am.
That's what this is. It's like twenty minutes of me
being depressed. And I watched that and I was like, oh,
I gotta change something because there's because you know, there's
(27:28):
that quote that's like if a documentary film crew followed
you around, what would they find and they just found
me like complaining? So you know I'm trying to get
but I'm also okay. But I'm also okay with sharing
it because I want if so. I'm sure a lot
of people listening to this shit are depressed, and so
(27:49):
if if I I think, if they see that I'm depressed,
maybe it'll make them feel less stupid about being depressed.
So anyway, okay, we did it. I got. I talked
about myself for the quota. I was trying to hit
go ahead, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Because so you were interviewed by Vice and all that.
I haven't gotten around to watching it, but I was
recently interviewed by NBC, and I just want to know
how did you feel after being interviewed after after an
air and shit, because me personally, like, I was so
excited in the moment, I was like telling my story
and things, and then as soon as it came out,
like I hate this so much. How do you say
(28:26):
about like your documentary, your experience with Essa.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I didn't. I didn't like it, but oh but as
nothing By the way, just as I want to make
it very clear, it has nothing to do with Vice
themselves or the people that were making their documentary. They
were very lovely they were very lovely. I just want
to make that very clear. It has to do with
I didn't like it because it kept I because it
here's what I feel like, it captured, you know, truthful
(28:53):
elements of my life, and I did not like those elements,
not because of anything with Doc itself. It's just it
like basically captured and it maybe like look in a mirror,
you know I and I didn't like, right, So that's
that's how I feel. But what were you interviewed about?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Because so I live in Florida, and you know, we
all love Florida so much, and I'm a trans woman
and I just graduated high school and basically I got
suspend it for using the women's back around my school.
And I'm not trying to get a political anything. I'm
talking what it's about. And so they were interviewing me
and a couple of other students about that, about our
experience as trans students and Florida and stuff like that.
(29:35):
And I was excited to tell my story because you know,
like there's a lot of people out there who need
to know about Florida and shing like that. But as
soon as they came out, I regretted it so much
because one like something crazy that I did not expect
is that I think getting handwritten letters to my house
from the same person, just like schizophrenic writing, and it's crazy.
(29:58):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean going on the news
and talking about something like that. I mean you totally,
it's it's you.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Know, no, I can't touch bro, like I listen, I
don't understand. I understand I'm obviously gonna get hate in shit.
But the letters that I have gotten. The letter I
got was this person talking about veganism and they were
telling me that I need to go vegan or I
need to repent for my sins because I'm not vegan,
and like they were just it was a you paid
(30:27):
hand written letter just going off about that, being like
you want to be transgender, but you're not going to
be vegan, Like you're a hypocrite, and it's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So I want to well, so I want to talk
about a few things. Well, I guess what initially made
you excited about being able to go on the news
and tell your story and then how did how did
the outcome of that not match up to your expectations?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So, like I I was excited to be on NBC
because like, you know, like you're to a normal, average person, like,
oh my god, I'm going to be in the news,
Like that's so cool. They're writing a little documentary about me,
Like you know, that's why. Like I'm sure so many
people will go that way about being on the news.
Things like that. Everybody kind of likes attention. I also
just like to be able to tell my story, I guess,
to inform people about this. It's just a cool thing.
(31:21):
But what made me really hate it is that like
I feel like NBC like or I don't know, I
don't know how it works, but the people who uploaded
it NBC, I feel like after they uploaded it and
like they got all their clout and things like that,
they just like didn't support me at all. They were
just like okay, bye, like thank you for.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
The the video.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
What kind of support were you looking for from them?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So, like I don't know how to describe it. Like
so like, for example, in the documentary, a big part
of it was that I was supposed to go to
school in New York. I was supposed to go to
school in New York, and I was still tired to
go to school, and that's what they were interviewing me
about there, like Yo, you're finally going to get out
of Florida. But then a couple of weeks before I
was supposed to leave, I was like, damn, I actually
can't afford this and I have to stay in Florida.
(32:05):
And then I reached out to NBC. I was like hey, like, hey, like,
I'm so sorry, Like I know you guys just did
a whole documentary about this, and but like I can't
go to New York. Like do you guys have any
scholarships available or anything that I can apply for it?
You're like no, sorry, but good luck. Like I just
felt a little used by that, you know. And then
after that they were like, oh, actually, can you send
us a video of you talking about how you can't
(32:27):
go to New York anymore? And I was like, oh,
feels a little exploitive.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
So were you happy at all with like how the
peace came out? Do you feel like it was reflective
of what you wanted to say?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah? Totally, totally. There were some angles where I looked ugly,
but like you can't control all that, you know, Like
it's cool, it was nice.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Nice, So tell me so what I mean, what is
the story that that you wanted to tell? What's the like?
Did you you you are going to school? You're so
you just graduated high school?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, and I'm in college now, and and.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You're in college in Florida or in New York in
Florida now okay. And the idea was that you were
going to try to leave Florida to go to New York.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, that was leaving Florida. Like I was accepted
to the college and everything, but then, like I guess,
like a couple of miscalculations on the college's part. They
told me they're in state tuition, but I'm an out
of state tuition person, and so it was much more expensive.
And they just told me that like a couple of
weeks before.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Us with to leave.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Things like that.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, so what's up. How you doing?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm chilling.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
That was just a ram rant, a random rant. Win.
I didn't really I was scared. I didn't know what
to talk to you about.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's fine, that's okay. Uh hmmm, are you like so
your freshman? Well, we're I mean, are you what do
you go to school for?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I'm thinking about doing finance kind of boring, but I
think I'm gonna do financial accounting or something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Mm hmm. So are you still dealing with like, are
people harassing you because of the interview?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Not really, honestly, No, It's just that it's just that
one person who keeps like sending me letters. It's so weird.
I wish I could show them to you. They're still
fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, how they find your address.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
But and the thing is that I've moved houses and
they keep sending it to my old house, but then
I get forward to here, so they don't know my
address really, but I don't know how they found out
my years to address as well.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Uh huh uh Okay. So I mean, are you well,
you're freshmen and it's what they what yours? Oh, you're
like an incoming you're like a new freshman in college.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Or how's like, are you making friends? Are you enjoying life?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, it's it's okay, Like all this is hard and
there's a lot of pressure on an eighteen year old
to decide what they want to do for like the
rest of the next seventy years. Other life, I'm telling
I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, well you're not really well you're not really I
mean I don't want to I don't want to go
on my college rant for the eight hundred thousandth time.
But you're not really like, you're not really making like
a crazy big decision, unless if you're taking out a
whole bunch of debt to be there.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, you know, the thing is, it's the opposite situation.
I have a scholarship out here where it'll pay for
one hundred percent of my college only in Florida. Right,
I'll say for one hundred percent of its only in Florida. Beautiful, Like,
that's literally the most beautiful offer ever. But it's making
me out because it's like, what if I go through
my four years of college and then decide, oh, fuck
(35:35):
the thing that I've been studying I actually don't want
to do at end, Boom, I just wasted like four
years of free college.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'll tell you what you do, you uh, spend the
next fifty eight years of your life doing whatever you
actually want to do.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, but then what if that requires going back to
college and I gotta fucking go into debt?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
What well, what would you have to what? What would
you have to do. That requires going back in college.
Because if you get your undergraduate degree, right, and then
you decide, oh, I actually want to go to medical
school or I want to go to this, or I
want to go to that, Like, you still have a
leg up because you have your undergraduate degree.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Right, right, I'll be making money even if I don't
want to do it, and then I could use that
money to go back to college.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, you're not. There's no like, yeah, sure, you go
to school and you're like, oh, I don't actually like finance.
But you're twenty two. You if you have fifty eight
if you're lucky, you've got to have fifty eight years
left until you die, and whatever you do with that
time is up to you. So you're you'll be fine.
(36:39):
I mean that's cool. Well yeah, but also, I mean
you'd be more fucked if you were going to debt.
The fact that you're not going to debt makes you
less fucked.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
So it is a little less stressful, I guess in
a way, because like then I wouldn't be I'm not
taking on debt right now, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, oh no, if you can go to college for free,
go to college for free, it would only be a
huge waste of time and money if you were going
into debt, So you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Be yeah, yeah, all right, all right, all right, right,
you sound a lot different on the phone.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
That's interesting that people I sound I have a phony
phone voice.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
It's not even a phone voice. It's like it sounds
so staticky.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Mina, yeah, Nina, Well Mina, thanks for calling in. I
don't know if any of this conversation.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Was conversation was boring. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, No, it's not that it was boring. Well, was
there anything else you wanted to say before we go
or talk about I just wanted to give you the.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Not necessarily all right, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Not fucked, don't worry about it. The fact that you
got to go to school for free is great. I
only hate college when it's like you spend a ship
ton of because yeah, if you're if you're debt free
and you have like I don't know, I don't know
if you have anything saved or you're at at least
you're at zero and not negative, you're not fucked. So
I don't think you should like go to college for
I went to college for film.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Mmm. Okay, okay, okay, that's so.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
And my boyfriend, if you kind of kind of want
to go to.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
College for so okay, well tell them not to go
into debt to do it. Okay, all right, take care
of did all right?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Bye?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Bye bye? Hello?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Hi? Hi?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
What is your name? My name is Natalie, Natalie. What's up? Natalie?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Hi? So this is kind of crazy. I've been listening
to you for like years, so the fact that I
got on, I've been calling so many times over the
past few years. So thank you for taking it.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, thank you for calling. I'm still pretty I feel
very honored that after all this time people, I'm still
getting to talk to new people. So I'm glad to
be chatting with you too, My friend. What's up?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So, I'm kind of trying to call you because I've
been trying to get into I'm applaying for grad school
right now, and I honestly just don't know if it's
worth it anymore. I do need your advice.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'll try my best. What are you applying for.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
English?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So you know, I'm okay, what do you want to
do with your life?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I want to be a professor. So it's like very niche,
but you know, I want to get my PhD and
I'm just barely getting my bachelor's, so it's like pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Do you need to get your master's and do you
need to go to grad school for English to be
a professor?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Basically yeah, because I kind of want to do community
college professor because I live in California, so the community
college system is pretty good. But I basically need a
PhD to do anything.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
So why are you on the fence about it?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I don't know if I'm like ready, I guess I
don't want to take a gap year, but I feel
like I asked it for professor basically for a letter
of recommendation the other day, and they said, while I
did great, that they just think I should broaden my horizons.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Basically what they didn't want to give you a letter
of recommendation.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, they basically said, oh, you should try applying to
other places. But I didn't specify that. I'm just trying
to come back to our university. But they bless you.
But I don't know, not.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Fuck them cold as hell? Not that's cold. No, that's cold.
That's annoying. No, that's annoying. I'm sorry, that's fucking annoying,
that's cold. Let's write a letter of recommendation. Jesus Christ.
Nobody is anyone whoever their professor is is. I really think, uh,
something's going to get back to them, like, oh, she's
not going to do well. It's going to reflect poorly
on me.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I was like, dude, if I'm asking you for it,
but you think it's not a good choice, like, that's
on me for asking you. I guess, just just say
you don't want to write it. Don't give me this
long ass email excuse. Just say you don't want to
write it.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That's a chowd move, I think. But anyway, so whatever,
who cares?
Speaker 3 (41:06):
What?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Like, what do you want to fucking do?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I want to become a doctor, like have my doctorate
because I'm the first of my family to go to college.
So it's just pretty intense in that way.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
While you okay, so I mean you want to be
an English professor, and I still hold on, Natalie is
your name?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, Natalie.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I still don't understand why you don't want to go.
You've said that this is what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I think I was just talking to two of my
friends right before this I think about it. I think
it's just that I'm scared that I feel like, what
if I fail, what if you fail? What if I fail?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
What if you like if you get bad grades or
just I.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Don't even know, or I think I'm also scared of
the rejection letters that like, what if I don't get
into anywhere, because I'm being kind of selective with them.
So I think I'm just more about the fact that
I could get told no, like the professor. That's what
me know.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, but what I mean, what's the alternative is just
you're not going to do anything.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I guess, I don't know, take a gap year, become
like a freaking Starbucks manager.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
I don't know, dude, I mean, you can take a
gap here and become a freaking Starbucks manager.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, it's true. I don't know. I think I've just
been I've been listening to your podcast a lot lately,
and I've been hearing you talk about life and about
how you've been like kind of on the fence about
it and just in general, like why are we here?
And I feel like that's kind of where I'm getting at,
Like where why am I? What am I doing with
my life? Really I'm twenty two. I don't know, dude,
(42:53):
Like I feel like I'm kind of behind.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Sure, yeah, what do we do with what? I've been
thinking about this a lot. And maybe this is just
like a like like a YouTube motivational thing. But well,
first of all, I think I have it. Like, there
is a privilege in struggling with what you want to
(43:17):
do with your life. There's an achievement in that, right
because you're not you have enough. You can eat food
and drink water and live in a place and as
and as a result of that, you get to move
on to the next level, which is what do I
want to do with my life? So that's a good
thing off the bat, you know, that's a nice that's
a nice position to be in.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I think that's true. That's a good way to look
at it.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
So, I mean, what do you do The whole thing
of like you're afraid that you're going to get rejected,
is that's a dumb reason not to do something that
you want to do.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
That's true. That is very that's very true.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, No, there's a lot, there's a lot of Uh,
A smart reason to not want to go to grad
school is because, uh, you don't want to do it,
and like your parents are telling you that you should
do it, or like you think you have to.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
No, yeah, that's not bad. That would be different. My
thing is also money, but you know, usually those are funded.
So it's like, that's why I'm going into the PhD
and not masters first, because masters are not usually funded.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, you have to go into are you going? Are
you taking out loans and ship?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah? I've already taken out a couple of loans from
my bachelor's which is oh fuck hurting.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, so you're going to take out more loans?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, and I have, Like so I guess that's another
thing is like the money. I'm already probably like twenty
thirty k that overall, which.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Burts, And then how much that would you be in
after you graduate from grad school?
Speaker 3 (45:05):
If I got into a master's program, that could be
an additional thirty thousand if it was a PhD, Like
I said, those are usually get funded, so it wouldn't
be as much money, but it would still be a
good chunk.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Okay, and then what do you then? And then the
only thing you the main thing you want to do
is be an English professor.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, that is pretty much like the goal for me
because I want to give back to like my community
college that I came from.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Okay, uh, look, I don't hate it. I don't hate
the plan. I don't hate the plan. Yeah, the plan.
I'm anti debt in general, but like for some shit
like this where you have to have a degree to
be a professor, I don't think that that's a horrible
amount of debt, especially if this is like the career
you want to get into for you know, a long
(45:56):
period of time.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
So that's true.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I really feel I always feel funny on this show
when I play pretend guidance.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Counselor No, I mean are hearing because it's just hearing
you talk about it kind of helps me talk through it.
I guess, Okay, good cool lately, Yeah, because I mean
I'm reading the chat. Should but I know that I
don't need a degree to give back to the community necessarily.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Too. There's that too, if you just want to give
back to the community. I mean you can do that
in a billion different ways. Yeah. So I'm gonna just
here's what I'm gonna use my official stance upon this. Okay,
let me give you my official fucking geck laydown all right,
you you're afraid of failure, but it doesn't really matter
(46:49):
because you should just go for it. And then if
you get accepted into these schools, then greats, and you
can use that as your vessel for giving back to
the community. Okay, but if you don't, you don't have
to cry and be like, oh my god, I can
never do anything ever in my life is over. You
can just be like, all right, how are the some
(47:10):
other ways that I can give back to my community?
You know, so you're gonna no matter what you will.
If your goal is that you want to get back
to the community, you can do that forever, and you
can do that until you're dead. So don't don't freak
out about it.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I didn't think about it.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Leave that.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Nice. Oh man, I've been drinking so much. I'm gonna
get I'm gonna Can I use some of your call
time to give a free advertisement?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Please do? I would love that.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I'm going to give a free advertise. We do a
lot of paid advertisements on this show, but I'm going
to do a free one for diet Mountain Dew, just
so everyone knows. I was into it way before the
Vice President guys were It's great. It's got ninety one
(48:05):
milligrams of caffeine, which is like, normally I'll drink if
celsius and that'll give me diarrhea for the whole day.
But this one, it's just this. It's a cup of coffee.
That's good. It makes me feel good. I want I
think more people. No, well, because I only drink the
diet one. Although there does exist zero, there exists, Bro,
(48:27):
there's a diet Baha Blo. There's actually not a diet
Baha blast. There's it's very specific. It's a Baja blast
zero sugar.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Okay, that's yeah, that's true. I don't know. No, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Your pause of confusion is not lost upon me, because
there's there's also diet mountain dew. There's diet mountain dew
and mountain dew zero sugar. I don't know what the
fucking difference is between those, and there's like pepsi zero sugar.
There's pepsi zero and like what are they're all the
(49:00):
same fucking I don't know what the difference between the
diet and the zero sugar. But anyway, I actually do
know the difference.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
If you're curious.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah, I am curious.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
What is it? I was just talking to someone about
this yesterday, diet drinks. I don't know what the actual
difference differences, but I know the difference and tastes. The
difference of diet drinks is there less serrupy and the
zero ones taste more like the actual regular drink?
Speaker 1 (49:26):
You know, Natalie, if I could, I'd just give you
a PhD right now for having explained that I'm endowed
by no legitimate education board unfortunately. Is there anything else
do you want to say to the people of the
computer before we go?
Speaker 3 (49:40):
No, just keep on keeping on. I appreciate you taking
my call again, Lyle. It's been a long time coming.
And I hope I can go to your live show
in La Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah yeah, come through. It'll be a good time.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
So that's a plug for you right there.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
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Jesus Christ, it's I love I love a diet Mountain dew.
(50:17):
It's so good, it's so good. I don't know, dude,
I don't know what anyone should do with their life.
I guess I don't know. Maybe I know things. I'm
trying to. I'm trying this. It feels like such a
fucking douchebag, but I'm trying to. I feel like I
know a little bit. I don't know everything, but like something,
(50:40):
you just I think deep. I think I know some things,
but I'm always like I'm a piece of ship. I
don't know anything. But then I'll like see some kid
on TikTok or YouTube, and I'll see them talking like
with authority, like they know things. They're not like saying
I suck every two seconds and I don't know anything.
They're like talking as if they know stuff. And I'm like, well,
that guy's fucking on TikTok talking about like he knows things.
(51:04):
People listen to my stuff. I know stuff. I think
I know a couple of things. I don't know everything. No,
I'm a piece of shit. I don't know anything. I
don't know any Maybe I know, I don't know. I
feel I know a few Here's what I'll settle on.
(51:25):
I think I know a few things. I certainly feel
as though I have lived experience experience, but as we all,
as every person alive does, I have thoughts, but they
just pale in comparison to the everything that I don't know.
(51:47):
And I think everyone has the same amount of like
lived experience. I guess everyone of every age maybe, But
it's not it's not really like a quo like I.
We're sort of living in this like collective conscious. So
it's very when you try to like compare the amount
of things you know to the amount of things somebody
(52:10):
else's know knows You're it's apples and oranges. Those are
two different things. You know, they're part of a different
collective thing. See that right there? Just what did I
just say? I said they're part of a different collective thing.
That part didn't I had me and then I lost
me when I said that phrase. Just now, I sometimes
I wonder if I can do a whole podcast of
(52:32):
just ranting into a microphone, no callers. Just I wrote
that down in my notes at I was like, try
to do it. I was, that's one of my future goals.
I want to do one of these podcasts, no calls,
just ranting. The entire forty forty five minutes of ranting.
(52:54):
Mark Marin does it. He opens every one of his
podcasts by just ranting, for like by himself twelve minutes.
I could do that. I could do that right now.
I could keep this post call thought going for another
forty minutes. So this is all sponsored by Mountain Die
Mountain Dew. The ninety one milligrams of caffeine in Die
(53:16):
Mountain Dew is what is allowing me to continue talking
for this long. So yeah, maybe I'll do that. I'm
not gonna do that right now, although this has been
a long post call thought, and I could keep going
for an hour, but I don't want to. But part
of me wants to know. I'm not gonna do it
right now. I'm gonna if when I do that, it's
(53:36):
gonna be a conceited it's gonna be a I'm gonna
I'm gonna sit down knowing that's what I'm gonna try
to do. I'm not gonna do it spontaneously, all right,
we have to move on or else I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Again goes on the line, taking calls every night every
be Again.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
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Speaker 1 (53:58):
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