THE GECKMAIL THANKSGIVING SPECIAL: “I DON’T HAVE ANY SPOONS”

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Therapy Gecko podcast. This is
a special Thanksgiving edition of gek Mail. For those who
are unfamiliar. Gek Mail is a version of this show
where instead of talking to a caller, I read viewer mail.
And this is a very special Thanksgiving edition of the

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show because I have a special guest on the show,
my sister Chloe. Chloe, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm doing good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm doing really good? Chloe was at you were a
guest on the show many years ago, many years ago,
four years ago.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I've been on the show three and a half times.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
What was the halftime?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
The halftime was when I was the Jack in the Box,
the head.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, I did a brand deal with Jack
in the Box like four years ago. And Chloe, they
sent me like the head of the clown guy.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
And my wonderful sister sat there on stream for like.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Forty five minutes and that stifling ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah. She was willing to be Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was willing to be Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
It was very nice of her.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I know, I'm a really good sister.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah. So sometimes I don't want to take phone calls,
so I read viewer mail and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Some of so I'm going to try. Some of them
are like intense, okay. Some of them are like funny okay,
but it's a lot of intense stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
So what do you mean by intense.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Like just life, just people, just you know, Uh, well.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Should we ease until one that's kind of funny and
then do one that's intense and see which one we
are driving with more?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know. I wish we could do that. I wish
that that was how this worked.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
But like it's oh, it's just you pick it out
and I just pick.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
It out and I read it. But I can also
start reading it and then it will No.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I think if you're already starting to read it, you
just have to go for it. Okay, it doesn't matter
if it's funny, you're lighthearted or okay bad.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I was actually I was skimming through them and I
saw one that was that was a little sexual in nature,
and I'll skip those.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think that would be great than have you seen
any of that are sibling focus talking about your siblings,
your brothers and sisters.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Maybe I think there's a lot of stuff, but there's
a lot of like.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Like just your family in general.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh, okay, there's I think, yeah, there's a lot of
like family stuff in here. I can I can skim
through for that. I was gonna bring this up. I
don't know if I ever talked about this on the podcast,
but do you We've talked about this a lot. But
do you remember so Chloe was on my show, yeah,
three times, and we got an email once we did
get any We got a really nice email from someone

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who said something like, correct me if I'm remembering this wrong,
but they said that seeing the relationship that I have
with my sister made them feel really nice because they
lost their sisters to I think a drug over the drugs.
That was nice. We sat right here on this table.
We cried a little bit. Do you remember that? It

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was really tough.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I still have saved and I look at it sometimes.
And he said that it was a win that we
have our that we have such a good relationship.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
It is a win.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
So can you hear our dog screaming in the background.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm gonna I usually put these podcasts through like a
noise through, like a background noise reduction thing, but I
don't and I don't know if it's gonna get rid
of our dog. But yeah, our dog Sophie is barking
in the in the background. We don't live together, we're
at We're just home for the holiday, home for the holidays. Okay,
should I start reading some emails?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah? I want to, I wanna, I want let's dive in.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
So this is from a NIEMA subject line. I found
a great support group, Hi, Lyle. Many people are like
me and grew up in a dysfunctional family as a kid.
I was scared of becoming like them, and I sort
of did, even though I tried to avoid it. How
can you try to avoid growing up in.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
A no becoming like her family? Their family?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Sorry? Oh, okay, okay, I'm so glad you're here because sometimes,
just like my brain like works it, I'm a little scared.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Don't be scared.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I'm scared that I might have dementia.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I don't even want to think about that. That seems
really sad. And also, dementia doesn't run in our family,
so I don't think you have dementia. Sometimes Alzheimer's are hereditary.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Sometimes I'm talking to Dad and he'll like.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
No, Actually, that's such a good point. I do think
he might have early onset dementia, but.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It might be from like smoking weed and stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I don't know. I like, you think he's high at
the time.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Of No, I don't think. No, I don't think he's
like I know he smokes and I smoke a lot,
and I think that might be like a thing, although
I don't know. As i'm I think, as I'm getting well,
I promise we'll get back to the email. But I think,
as I'm getting older, and I'm not that old, but
my memory has become become selective, I think, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Think that's how most people are, Like you don't remember
the things I I mean, I'm thirty now and I
barely remember anything from high school. M Like, I barely
remember anything from five years ago.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
So this is the thing that happens a lot in
the show is people will tell me their name and
I'll immediately forget it.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
But like, do you have name blindness?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Kind, yeah, I do have name blindness. Can you use
that as an excuse when you is that like an
acceptable excuse when you forget someone's name? Be like, I'm sorry,
I have named blindness.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, people have face blindness. That's like a legitimate thing
that people have where they can't see a face. So
maybe you have name, or maybe you are demented.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I don't remember people like I'll okay, so a caller
will like tell me their name and I'll immediately forget it.
But then a caller will be like, hey, man, I
don't know if you remember this, like four years ago,
Like uh, we sat on the phone and we talked
about case currito's from Taco Bell for four hours, and
I'm like, yes, I remember that conversation. I mean, I think.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Remembering someone's name is not necessarily the most important thing.
They're trying to just get their thing across. Thank you,
and you can call them Joe Shmo, and I don't care.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's why I fact okay. I was scared of becoming
like my family, and I sort of did, even though
I tried to avoid it. Recently, I found a group
called Adult Children of Alcoholic and Dysfunctional Families. I have
been in therapy and other men's groups before, and they
have all helped, but finding this community has been amazing.

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That's great anyway, I just wanted to share so other
people might find it. They talk about God like in
the Step twelve step program, but it isn't religious. Maybe
other ones are, but this one is more loose. Here
is the serenity prayer. Do you know the serenity prayer?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It is I believe God, accept God grant me the
serenity to accept the things that cannot change, the courage
change the things I can, and the wisdom to know
the difference.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes, they wrote the serenity.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Prayer, serenity saying serenity.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Serenity, Serenity, serenity prayer. Yeah, they wrote the serenity Serenity prayer.
That was it. That was their whole email.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You've never been to a twelve step meeting? Have you?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I've never needed one. Have you been to a twelve
step meeting?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Do you ever tell you about this?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I went to I went to an overeater anonymous meeting.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh I do remember you telling vaguely, but.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, I can tell it again. That's that's it. That's
not that much to tell. But it's it's interesting. I like,
I don't I think that people get like turned off
by the fact that like they talk about like God
by just subing like I don't believe. I have said
I want to believe in like a Catholic interpretation of God.
But I believe in God in terms of like, uh,

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like God as just an allegory for like that which
is beyond you, or like higher power, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I mean I think that a lot of people take
solace in believing in God. And I think if you
believe in God, and it can be really helpful to
feel like there's a higher presence to help you with
your insert addiction here, whether it's alcohol or narcotics or overeating.

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But I will say he said something interesting, this this person.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I don't want gender them, but I think there he
they said they've been to men's groups.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, okay, so he at the top where he said
he came from a dysfunctional family and then he didn't
want to turn into them, but he did. And I
think everyone's biggest fear, for the most part is turning
into their parents. And I think in some ways it's
just so inevitable, no matter if you come from an

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amazing family or one that's a little bit more dysfunctional.
But I mean, you are like the spitting carbon copy
of our dad.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I was thinking about that. Yeah, I mean I've
accepted that I'm I'm a lot like our dad. Do
you do you think that you're like our mom, or
or like, do you think you're like our mom more
are dead?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think I can. There's things that happened that I think, oh,
that was something that my dad would do, or oh
that's something that I think my mom would do. But
I don't know if I'm like turning and t either
of them. I think I got a little bit more
of the balance of the both of them, and you
just like didn't at all.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I think I have things that are like our mom.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I think so too. I mean, obviously you're like half
her DNA, but I think that you're more. I think
you're more like our dad than I am like our mom.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I think that's true.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I think it's actually I think I'm more of a
balance between the both of them. But I think you
just straight up got whatever Jeanes from way back.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
When I think I overheard we were just we were
in an argument. We were in a discussion. We were
in a discussion at the dinner table, and I was talking,
and I went upstairs for a second, and I saw
Mom say to you, every time I look at him,
I see the spitting image of your father.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, you do look a lot like him when he
was younger, I believe.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
In I don't know if I believe. I mean believe.
I mean, there's got to there's inevitably got to be
something beyond his things, beyond us, even if it's like
a you know, a freaking chemical or whatever. But I
don't think it cares about me.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
The higher power I don't think about you specifically. Yeah,
I mean I don't want to get too philosophical about it.
We can, but part of it's like, if there's really
a higher power out there that is benevolent and good
and they're supposed to make good things happen, I think
he's abandoned us or doesn't care about us.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
I really think he's abandoned us.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I mean, think about the state of that the world
is in whichever way you go politically or whichever way
however your life is.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, it's not even the state of the world now.
It's like the world has constantly been filled. The world
has never had a point in time whether it didn't
have tremendous amount I.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Think all this. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of suffering,
both on a large scale and a small on a
micro level. I mean there's people out there who are
you know, there's massive genocides happening, and then there's also
people who just like are our mailer who comes from
a really dysfunctional family, it has to go to find
support groups, and like that's the suffering within itself.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, there's suffering, yeah, on large scales, but also just
in regular.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So I think it's hard to say that there is
this benevolent, good God out there and everything happens for
a reason. I used to have a friend. Whenever I
would say everything happens for a reason, she would always
be like, that's dumb, because yeah, then why are people

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in Africa like starving and dying from so?

Speaker 1 (11:52):
So now do you think that? So you used to
say that a lot. Do you no longer believe that
everything happens for a reason.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I would say that. I think in my own life,
I like to think everything happens for a reason, because
if something bad happens, you want to believe it's in
service of ultimately something good down the line. But I
think you it's selective. You can only you can't say
that about everything, but you.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Can you can say that something bad happening can be
in service of something greater down the line, as a
like and that. But that doesn't have to come from
like like some god pulling the puppet strings. You can
just believe. You can just choose to.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Believe in spirituality involved in that though, Like you may
not be putting your your faith in and a morphous
idea of a god, but then you're putting your faith
in like the universe of theosty because it is a spirituality,
it is a power, because it's not you making these

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decisions necessarily. Oh then maybe it a I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Okay, this is from Emma. Okay, this is a question. Okay, ms.
The subject line is existential thoughts and mental illness.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Great, oh wow, we really are going intensity.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Do you think people with a higher IQ that are
more able to think about subjects on a deeper level
are more likely to become mentally ill?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I think that's a great question for you.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know. Actually, you know what, Actually I had a
crazy existential crisis and I was really wondering the answer
to this question, and so I I was. When I
was at my eccential crisis, I was talking to chat
Gypt all the time.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I know, and you have to stop doing that.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I well, I take everything CHATTYBT says with a grand self,
because I dude, before chatt.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Is set up so that they agree with everything you said,
did dude?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Okay, So it didn't used to be like like back
in like twenty twenty one, CHATCHYPT talked like a robot
and it was great. And now I fucking hate it
because you'll be like, I'll say something like what's a
good I'll be like, what's a good low calorie breakfast?
And it'll be like, what's amazing of you that you
want to eat a lower calorie breakfast? What a genius idea?

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And I'm like, don't fucking do that?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, you can train I mean I don't believe in
training II because I think it's like we're all becoming
dumber and stupider. But you can train your AI to
be more neutral and not say because my mind does
the same exact thing, I'll use it for exactly the
same thing, a low calorie breakfast, a workout, plane or something.
And then it'll say you are a queen on our

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and here are five ideas.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I think I think most people are falling for that.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
What do you mean falling for it?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Like before I realize and I'll be honest with you
and I'll cop up to this. Before I realized everyone's
does that to them, I did specially, I did think
I was special for a second. I did think I
was pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
For a second, you are pretty awesome. But for shiit
only need chatchy Bet to tell.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
You that, thank you, I will Okay. So I was
talking to chat Et and I was like, I was
like asking for examples of like scientists or people who
like think really deeply about the world and like study
biol it. And I was like, can you give me
examples of like real like profound scientists who've like really

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studied our existence in the world, who also are theologists
and also like believe in God. And it spit out
a few and like in doing and.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It said, Queen, that's great.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
It did, Yeah, it did, it did. It was like
it was like, wow, that's a it's a great perspective
to have or something like that. And it's spit out
a few. And so I think that there are like,
you know what, a Harvard professor whatever, people who've studied
who've read the Stephen Hawking fucking book and whatever, who

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who are able to like look at the like profound
nihilism of the universe and whatnot. But it's not. But
that's just the external, right and they can like really
dive deep into that external but their internal mindset, they
can view all this information and think about it deeply
and still be able to look at it and be like, oh,

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this is cool, you know, because you can because you
can think about subjects on a really deep level that
it takes you as scary places. But then if you
look at it, but then you could look at it
being like, oh my god, this is terrifying, or you
can look at it and be like, oh, this is pretty cool.
And that's I don't think that's at it Like that
choice of perspective. I don't think is a matter of

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how smart you are. I think that that's like a
I don't I don't know what that is. But some
I think there's really smart people who are able to
make the choice of like, oh, nothing matters, and we're
a flash and a pan and between in an oreo
cookie of oblivion. That's pretty cool. Actually, I'm gonna go
eat a sandwich and play chest and hang out with
my friend, you know, like some people people can do that.

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So I don't think it's directly related to and to illness.
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think that anybody can really be mentally.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, But I.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Would say that I do think that anxiety and depression
in particular, which are obviously the biggest kind of mental
illnesses that are most diagnosable, I want to say that
has to do with IQ. I think IQ is kind
of a I don't know if I think we should
really be basing our smarts on IQ. I actually have
no idea what my IQ is. I've never taken an

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IQ test.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Most of them are like bullshit, right.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I don't know. I've never taken one. But I think
that when you are able, I think if you do
have the ability to think deeper about the universe and
think deeper about life, it can lead I guess, like
you said, to either being like Wow, that's really cool,
or being really kind of sad about it. You know.

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One of my favorite interviews is with Neil de grass Tyson,
and somebody asked, I don't know if you know this
is actually what my tattoo is based on. One of
my tattoos is Neil did. Somebody asked Neil de grass
Tyson what his favorite fact about the universe was, and
he goes I mean, he has a beautiful speaking voice,
but he goes to this whole shtick about how you know,

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the Big Bang happened and the guts of the universe
were spread across you know, time and created stars and
planets and our sun and Earth and then life, and
how we are made of the same stuff as stars
and the sky and everything else, and that when you
look into you know, the night sky and you see

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all these stars, like, the universe is so vast, but
it's made of the same stuff that we're made of.
So you can either look at that and be like, wow,
that's fucking scary, and the universe is so big and
we're so small and that can really scare you. But
then he also said, but you can look at that

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and say, oh, I made the same stuff as the
stars and the moons and whatever. I am just as important,
even if my life is more fleeting and I'm not
going to have the longevity. So and I love that
idea of both feeling like unimportant and so the things

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that I do in my life, like are not going
to ultimately matter, and so it's okay if I make mistakes.
But then I also like the idea that I am
really important and I matter a lot and so and
my life is ultimately meaningful even if it's not long.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, I agree that brings us into the like collective consciousness,
like we are the universe experiencing itself type of shit.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Do people on your podcast like, will they find that
listen to this? I find this interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, I don't know if they want to talk about
like poop and farts or something.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
No, I the podcast. I think we I mean, yeah,
we talked about like existential stuff a lot. There's not
a lot less poopid farts. I used to be like,
oh I kind of missed the poop and farts, but
then somebody will call it. There's like I like think like, well,
I do like I like things that are funny, but
I don't like things that are like like fake things
aren't funny to me. Like, I think there's a lot

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of like funny things.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
That it's okay, we don't like I like, do we
don't know?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think, I don't know. I like when things are
naturally funny. Oh this, I don't know if this has
anything to do anything, but like, uh, I don't know
if I think I mentioned this on the podcast. I
don't know if I said this to you, but so
our stepdad, and this is related to this in a way.
Our stepdad Dan maybe one of the most sane people

(20:58):
I know.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I would say that Dan is universally beloved by every
single person that has ever met him.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Universally beloved and a sane, grounded, down to earth guy.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
He's very even killed.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And it was his seventieth birthday the other week and
I called him and we and we talked on the phone,
and he was telling me a little bit about how
it feels to be seventy, and he was like and
he said, he was like, you know, when I was thirty,
I thought seventy. When I was like in my thirties
and forties, I thought seventy was ancient. And he was
kind of like reflecting a little bit. And then he

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stopped himself and he was like, I'm getting too deep.
And I was like, oh, I I'm and then and
then he was like, I'm getting too deep. And then
I was like and then he said this thing that
like blew my mind. He was like, you know, introspection
never really appealed to me interesting, which and I was like,
the way, the way he's he said it like it
was like like it was like tennis, like it was

(21:59):
the hobby or there's like this optional thing.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
But that's not optional to you. You love and you're constantly.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, I do. I like it, but it's also like
it feels like it's just as a part of my existence.
But it was interesting, I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
It was very smart.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
He's really smart. He's really smart.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
My guy. He will want into Harvard back in the day. Yeah,
you know, he's certainly not one to I don't think
he's mentally ill.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
No, I don't think he's mentally at all.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
He's the least mentally ill person in this entire past.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Absolutely so. I think he's an example of, you know,
a smart guy who's not mentally mentally ill. Okay, okay,
this is from Fernando. Fernando living with twelve people and
no privacy. Oh hi, Lyle. I wanted to reach out
because I feel like I need an outside perspective on

(22:51):
what's going on in my life. I'm an immigrant living
in the US, and because of my status, there are
a lot of things I can't do, like getting a
normal job. I've been taking seasonal care or cash based
work wherever I can, but most places either don't want
to deal with it or don't have space. Still, I'm
trying my best. Right now, I live with my parents,
my siblings, and my uncle's family. Thanks to my uncle,

(23:13):
we have a place to stay. He has six kids
and five of them live here, and four of us
are between seventeen and twenty one. I'm twenty one myself.
This is where things have gotten tense. I've been arguing
more with my cousins, and small comments like asking why
I don't have a job quickly escalate into threats about
kicking me out. I get where the frustration comes, but

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I also help with rent wherever I have money. The
house is already packed and privacy basically does not exist.
One cousin has a child, two of them have boyfriends
who sometimes stay the night, and another cousin have their
girlfriend moved in. I'm not even sure if she pays rent.
With all that going on, it's frustrating that I'm the
one getting singled out the most. That is frustrating with

(23:59):
all these people in the house, It's like, why why
you getting on my case? I finished my AA last
May associates. What is that associates.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I'm pretty sure AA is associate's degree or maybe something else.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
We're gonna look that up. Is an AA degree? Oh,
Associate of Arts. It's a two year yeah, undergraduate.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's like community college.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Okay, I finished my so you finished community college last May,
And ironically that's when things started to go downhill at home.
I don't have the money to continue school right now,
and for months I've been trying to find steady work,
but nothing has come through. At this point, the whole
house barely talks unless it's something simple like past the salt.

(24:42):
It doesn't feel like a family anymore, more like a
group of strangers surviving in the same space. I'm not
sure how to navigate all this, and I'd appreciate any
perspective you might have. Thanks for reading, Fernanda. I'm gonna
say a few things upfront, Fernando. I first of all,
I really appreciate you, Sharon, your story with us. Yeah. Absolutely,
I uh, you know, I mean, we we had I

(25:08):
don't know, I read stuff like this all the time,
and I'm like, man, we had a pretty good childhood,
you know, but.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
We certainly didn't have twelve people living under the same
roof and four of those people being seventeen to twenty one. Yeah,
that's pretty brutal.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So I'm trying to think about how, like, what can
Fernando do? I guess, I mean it feels like, I
don't know, do you have any thoughts about this? It's
okay if you don't. I know, this stuff's kind of hard.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I mean, I would say that my biggest excuse me
thing is I think he just needs to find outlets
outside of the house, get him kind of out as
much as possible.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh yeah, you know, I think hobbies are a beautiful thing,
and something as simple as you know, walking a lot
or joining like a local YMCA or something like that,
I can get you really out of the house. I
think is spending his little time there as possible. It's

(26:14):
probably good for you. But I also think there is
something to be said about getting everybody together and kind
of having a knockout, drag out fight. You say all
the things that you feel, and then you can move
on and maybe there'll be less tension in the house.
But I definitely sympathize with his plight, you know, being

(26:35):
an immigrant, I'm sure it's very very hard nowadays to
get a job, and I feel bad that he's in
this scenario. And I don't know if there's necessarily a
way out that I can provide that way, But I
think getting out of the house but then and also
communicating with everybody together in one place might be the

(26:59):
best way way to have peace.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I wonder if, like I see one of the things
I wish I could talk to frand because I'm like,
he's got to have at least one ally in the house.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, I want to know how big the house is, Yeah,
for two, Like, is it a McMansion and twelve people
are living in it comfortably but not with.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm assume there's a lot of beds in I'm assume
there's or.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Is it literally like a three bedroom apartment? People are
on top of each other, Like I want to know
the logistics of the apartment or the living situation, but.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm going to assume there's a few more people living.
I'm gonna assume there's a solid handful more people living
in the house than than is that then the house
is designed accommodates. I wonder if he has any allies,
Like does he have does he at least have one
person in the house on his level of being, like

(27:57):
this fucking sucks that he can connect. Does he have
anyone else that he can like connect with. If you do,
you really, you know, form a bond with that person
his I guess he has his mom, but I don't
know what his relationship is like with his mind. He
might not be then I.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Guess find an ally. If you don't have one, fine one.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, you get really into taking.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Walks, yeah, or your local YMCA.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Does that cost money?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I don't know. I don't think so. Maybe it does.
It probably does, I think of it. But there are
free like community centers that you can go to. Go
to the library, get a library card that's free, get
a library Well.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, okay, if you finish your community call like if
you're in like you just spend as little time out
of the house as possible.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think we didn't give him good advice.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I don't think we did either, but we read his
email and for nada.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
We're here for you and if you want to follow
up and let us know if you took literally under
the five horrible suggestions that we gave, we would be
happy to hear from you. How this is going in
the future.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I guess maybe it's helpful to know,
like Fernando, if you don't have any kind of like
responsibility at the house, like just spend as much time,
just go on to stand around, walk around.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, don't stand around, don't loiter.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
No do that. No walk around the grocery store for
like an, I'm not even saying I do that kind
of shit. Sometimes I don't want to go home in
store for two hours. Yeah, sometimes I'll be like like,
I'll go on a walk and I'm like, it's aimless walk.
Maybe I'm you know whatever, And I'll just walk into
a grocery store and I'll be like, huh, what kind
of cereal is going on these days? You know whatever,

(29:42):
It's better than being at home doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Be safe with that, Fernando, What's.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
What's so not safe about being it going to being
in a grocery store.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean, they're not nothing not being safe. Just be safe.
I don't know why that's a problem that I said that,
it's not a problem.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's not a probably just inferring that there was something unsafe.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
About not anything unsafe, just you know, be safe, be
safe for an. I think that's a blanket statement. We
could say that to Emma and the other previous emailer.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Okay, another email, all right, this is from uh Tristan
Tristan Okay, subject line Belgian American fella just graduated from
a master's feeling like okay now what lol? Okay, dear
esteemed Lyle, Sir.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Gek esteamed Lyle.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
All right, I've been a fan for a very long
time and your podcast makes my days washing dishes in
a restaurant much more bearable.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's so sweet, very sweet.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I wish I could call in, but international calling fees
are insanely expensive. Unfortunately. Well I'm glad you could reach
us via email.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah. Now you got two for the price of one,
and even better.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
All right. So I'm come from an American family but
lived most of my life in Brussels, Belgium. At the
age of eighteen, I left home to study digital social
sciences media studies in the Netherlands. Words. It's a lot
of words. It's a weird study, yes, and I often
second guess if it was the right decision, because I
guess because when people, when he explains it to people,

(31:14):
they say, that's a lot of words. Yeah. The UNI
life away from home was incredible, and so much fun.
I really grew out of my shell and became a
person I'm much more proud of and happy being. After
my bachelor's was done, I wasn't ready to move back
home yet, so I decided to stay and get a
master's in the same study program. I recently graduated and
have now obtained my master's. And he put two exclamation

(31:37):
points after that, congratulations. My question really boils down to, Okay, well,
now what my gut is telling me to keep working
part time as I'm doing right now and then go
back to traveling. After my bachelor's was done, I had
saved enough money to go to Japan for a whole
month last January slash February, and it was incredible. I'd
love to get a better job and go back and

(31:58):
travel more. I want to try trading. I want to
try making travel videos because seeing thousands of content creators
being able to make content by traveling that then pays
for itself via the content makes me incredibly jealous. I'm
generally feeling a bit lost and anxious about finally closing
the chapter on university, although I'm also extremely excited and

(32:19):
open minded about the future. I also had an idea
to hitchhike across Belgium, the very small country I've lived
in my whole life, but barely traveled at all. By
the way, let me know if you're ever in little
old Belgium. I've never been to. Have you ever been
to Belgium?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
You've been to Belgium?

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I don't think No, I've never been to Bristols.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh, maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Then I feel like all the European city a lot
of the European places kind of.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I've never been to Belgium either, but I've heard amazing things.
It is a place I want to go in the future.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Uh So, yeah, that's it. We'd love to hear your
thoughts and advice. I will also definitely be working toward
an extended Japan trip again, would love to hear any
advice you have on that too.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Japan is the hot ticket, is the hot.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Bunch of people. A bunch of people are going to Japan.
I don't think they like it.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I think they don't think that the Japanese people like it. Oh.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I think they're putting on a new tax to like
curb tourism to Japan.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Oh, okay, Well, is that the end of the email
or do you have something else to say?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
He says more than he says. I want to go
to Japan and hopefully bump into the funny, green faced
costumed individual known as Therapy Gecko. Lots of love, dude,
keep doing your thing, get best. Okay, remember his name was,
do you remember all the Best? Trizzy?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Trizzy? Oh? I love it? Okay, Trizzy. So you've got
a lot in there for us to talk about. I
would say that the first thing is that it is
scary to be closing the chapter on university because you've
you're now becoming a real bonifide adult, and that's a

(33:59):
scary thought.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Mm hmm. After my bat's done, Okay, So I don't
So it sounds like you have a bit of a
travel bug. You got things you want to do.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
And that's really like you have a massive travel bug.
You're trying to go everywhere in the world.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I do. I do.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Some places maybe you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Want to go to, but sure, sure I I I think,
I mean, I think you should do if you have
like cause you're this was guys like twenty two. I
have no idea he's probably twenty probably twenty two. I
think if you have the idea because like right and now,
I think you should do like anything that you want
to do travel wise, I think you should always do

(34:42):
while you're young, because you're only gonna have more responsibilities
and you're only going to feel weirder about like being
broken stuff like as you yeah, that is get older.
So like, if you're twenty two and like, you can
hitchhike across Belgium and you can, like because you're trying to,
you can sleep on the ground, get you can like backpack,

(35:07):
you can stay at these hostels for like no money.
And look, you can do that when you're you know,
thirty and and and on. You're not gonna want to.
And also you might you know, I don't know what
you're money. You might get a really good digital social
studies media studies job that's not going to let you
take off for that long. So I'm a fan of.

(35:29):
And also the other thing is once you do ship
like this for long enough, like you hitchhike across Belgium,
you'll get you'll get bored, or you won't get I
don't know about bored, but you'll be like, uh oh,
I got to go make an actual life for myself.
But you want to arrive. This is how it works
for me, is I guess is by the cycles of
my life are I'll do some crazy travel whatever thing

(35:54):
to to the point of exhaustion where I'm like, okay,
I need to have like a ba base in a
real life, and then I go back home. And then
I immediately not immediately, but after and then I go
back home. I clean my room, I make I buy groceries,
I buy up spoon and a fork.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And one spoon.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I have one. I have one spoon. I have one for.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
You have one spoon and one for.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I'm a single man living alone. Why do I need
more than what?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
If you have a lady come over or a man,
I don't want to you know?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
If I have a lady or a man come over,
I don't know. Well, I'll why do we need? I'll
make what makes I don't know? People? You know?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well? While you know another thing that women like a
man that cooks.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
We were just in so hold on, Tristan, we're goingning
it back your email. But we were just I just
had a discussion with my sister because I told her
that I'm in a I'm in an era where I
go through these multiple I'm in an era where I
don't really care how I look, and so I'm waiting. Okay,
so this is an audio only experience. But my hair

(37:02):
is fucked up, my beard is fucked up. I'm wearing
a shirt that isn't doesn't make me look like an adult.
My pants are bad. I don't look like a regular guy.
I look like a schlub. And I told Chloe, I
know I appreciate. I think truth is honest. I think
truth is love.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Truth is love. Don't love your job, job your love.
Have you seen that? No? What is it some dumb
influencer thing. This like one of those people that are
like they do podcasts about, you know, waking up at
three o'clock in the morning, so that way you maximize
your day of productivity to be a boss babe.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
What does it mean to job your love?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
No one knows, But she said I learned to don't
just job. Don't just love your job, job your love.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Oh that makes it okay, make your love, No, it
makes it, make your love, make love your job. Go on,
so clo and so I told clothes like, you should
get a haircut and trim your beard and do And
I told Chloe, I'm like, I need to lose forty
to I need to lose thirty to forty pounds first

(38:10):
before I care. So I'm just don't. I just don't
care about the rest of how I look right now.
And once I lose thirty to forty pounds, I'll be like, Okay,
I'm gonna now commit myself to trying to look like
a normal attractive man, and then I'll do all the
other stuff and that and that's the time. And to you,
you think that that's really fucking stupid, And.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I would if whatever, women or men, anyone, really, anyone,
please give your give your thoughts back to my brother.
Please please write in if you're listening and give your thoughts.
I think that's silly because you are giving yourself a
timeline of I am gonna look good maybe in six
to seven months. But as we've just talked about, life

(38:53):
is fleeting and you don't have a long time on
this earth, and you should be spending as much time
as possible trying to to like feel good, and a
lot of times the best way to feel good about
yourself and to like be happy is ultimately when you
look good. For example, I really don't like my natural hair.
And so I showered this morning and I blew blowed

(39:16):
through blue droke blow dried it, whatever, and I'm feeling
immediately better about how my day is going to go.
And I think that this idea that you're like gonna
wait six to seven or even longer than that to
just like look good and feel good is silly because
you could do those things. As I was listening all

(39:37):
of the things that I think, you.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, but I would, but I'd still be I'd still
be yeah, but i'd still be fat. I would still
that's like, and that's like seventy percent of the issue.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
But if you can fix thirty percent of the issue
right now, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Because I'd rather because if you're just.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Trying to live to zero or one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Okay, actually, you know what I actually you know what
it is. I think part of it be fear based. Okay,
you know why?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Why?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Because right now in my head, I'm fantasizing about the
potential of how.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Good I could look, and you're afraid of the actual.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I'm fantasizing by the potential of good I can look,
and I think I think I can look pretty good.
I just need to lose thirty or forty pounds.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
But I think that you're you're missing the forest through
the trees of like this is gonna sound really mean.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
No, it's not gonna people. No, please, you're not. You're
not gonna hurt my feelings. I want you to know.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I'm not worried about hurting your feelings. I'm worried about
the people being like, wow, Lyle sister is a huge bitch.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think that you have potential, but it's not just
in your weight. I think that you have a lot
of areas that you could improve on, and I.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Like physically physically yeah, like yeah, I know, No, I'm aware.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
And so I think that if you do those things,
then maybe you'll feel less like your weight is like
such a big deal.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
But I'm afraid. Here's the thing, right, is like, if
I'm leaning in to being schlubby, then every day I
look in the mirror, I'm like, oh, okay, that's for now,
you know. But if I get my hair cut and
I let my nails go around, I don't bite them,
and I wear a nice shirt and I do my beard,
and I look in the mirror I know what's good.
I know what I'm gonna think. I'm gonna look in

(41:22):
the mirror and i'm gonna go, fuck, I'm still fat.
But if I lose forty pounds and then I do
all that stuff, I'm gonna look in the mirror, I'm
be like I knew it. I knew I could be
of attractive man.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
But you might even look in the mirror when you're
not thinking of the other side of it is that
you might look at yourself in the mirror when you
do all those other things and think, Wow, even though
I'm still overweighted, I look pretty good.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
I'm gonna look in the mirror and I'm gonna go
I bet I would look really good if I lost
forty pounds.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Still look good with losing forty pounds. And what I
was also trying to impress upon him is, you know,
we're both single, and we were both interested in data
and getting married and having kids.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And the apps are abysmal these days, as I'm sure
many of you out there feel the same way. And
so if some some girls walking around and sees you
when you made those thirty percent changes, she might think, oh,
that guy is good looking. Sure, he could lose thirty pounds,

(42:22):
but that's fine.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
But I won't even clock that because she might come
up to you. Why would happen, doesn't happen?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
You don't know that, But you definitely don't know that
because you look like right now.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
But I won't clock it because I'm not even Tristan.
We're gonna get back to you home more seconds.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But sorry, Tristan.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
But but the problem is that I think you need
to have the confidence to believe that someone is even
like right, I don't have the like when I'm like
talking to like when I'm about the world right now,
I don't even have the And it's not a lack
of like. So it's not poor self esteem like i've.

(43:04):
I've I think pretty strong. So I think I'm a
you know, I think you know, I I have a
lot to offer, But I am like just you know,
I like being situationally aware, and I'm aware of the
situation in which I'm overweight, and so I'm when I
talk to people, I'm always I'm like, I just don't
have the confidence of like, this person's romantically interested in me,

(43:27):
So I'm not I'm just not even gonna clock it.
Right now, so I'll just do all of it once.
But anyway, the spoon thing.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I've already on record that I think this is silly,
and I really hope that somebody.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I've been arguing with a lot of my friends about.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
The spoon thing, not the spoon thing, the thing that
we were just talking about. I like for somebody to
please clue and that I'm right. Anyway, go back to
the spoin thing.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
The spoon thing. There's a lot of thing that I think.
There's a lot of stuff between. There's a lot, like,
there's a lot of good foots that I can put
forward to a prospective romantic interest before she finds out

(44:09):
that I only have one spoon, and there's enough time.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
For you to get a second spoon.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
This is also probably listen, I have a cool look,
There's I got a lot of stuff. I can offer
a lot. Okay, I'm like, listen, we can go places,
we can do things whatever. Like it's like I only
have one spoon. Oh, who gives a shit, Let's go
to Let's go to somewhere that they have spoons.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh to buy more. You wouldn't think about buying more spoons?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
What am I gonna do? With What am I going
to do with more than one?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Know? How many spoons I have?

Speaker 1 (44:40):
How many spoons do you have?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Probably twenty?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
What what the fuck do you need twenty spoons for?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Because I make I cook a lot at my house
and I don't want to do dishes. I put my
my spoons in the dishwasher and so then eventually, like
I'll run out of spoons, then I'll do the dishes.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I have one spoon. I use it occasionally and if
I need to actually know what, use it every night
lately because I've been making a lot of hot chocolate,
and I'll i'll, I'll wash the spoon with uh some soap,
and then I have a clean spoon. Why do I
need Why do I need twenty of the spoons?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I I'm no longer interested in trying to convince you
of this having more spoons. Let's go back to ty.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
So anyway, the reason we first got the reason we
got on the spoon thing is like, yeah, I'm like,
I'm like, I'm tired of spoons. I want to leave
domestic life. So I go in and out of like
wanting to travel and wanting to be stable. But I
think for you, since you're really fucking young. Yeah, and
you have no responsibilities right now, I think, and I

(45:44):
think you should do it, you know, because you're a
because you're all you're gonna remember that stuff. Like I really,
I really remember all the every every like adventure I've
been on and every show, like I remember it all
very well. It like these are like really core memories
that I have any time I do anything like that.
And so and also, by the way, it's really like

(46:06):
when you look into this shit, it's not that expensive
to try, especially like if you want to like hitchhike
as especially dude, for you, if you want to hitchhike
across Belgium. I mean, how much does that cost to hitch?
I don't know what the hitchhiking situation is.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Like, you know what they say, youth is wasted on
the young. Yeah, so you're young, and you have plenty
of time to use that bachelor's degree and that master's degree.
So you should just if you have the financial means
or if you have the means to, you know, do
one of those cool things where you work in like
a coffee shop in fucking Munich for a month or
whatever it is that you want to end up doing.

(46:42):
Or you can work somewhere in Japan for a little
like working some bus boy job or whatever it is.
I think you should do that.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
So yeah, and also you make a video about it?
Why not? I would watch that. That sounds cool. Sure,
you know, make a video a hitchhigross Belgium. Yeah, make
a video about it.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
There's this guy that's doing a bike ride from like
Portugal to Japan.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I get his videos sometimes on reels and I'll watch them.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Mm hmm. Seeah, I don't know. I don't. I guess
like if your whole thing is like I'm gonna do
it without uh. If you're yeah, like yeah, going to
Japan for a month, that'll cost some money, not that much.
It'll costs mainly money to get over there.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Well, that's what I'm saying. If you want to go
work in Munich for a little bit, you can stay
in a hostel probably pretty cheap, or Brussel your your
and Brussels. Like, I don't know, just save up some money,
keep working doing whatever it is that you're doing, save
up some money and travel around and hitchhike and do
some shit. You live in Europe, so easy to do
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And you know what, Tristan, You know it is great.
Tristan will come back and he won't have any but
he won't have no spoons, but he'll have memory memories,
and I think memories, memories last longer than spoons.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Okay, I have five more minutes. Okay, so we can
do one more.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
All right, let's do one more. Let's see Okay, we'
i'll uh, I'll finish it up. I'll read a few
more emails after you leave. Okay, let's do this one. Uh. Okay,
this is from Flux.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Subject line, I'm the DMT guy, the DMT. Do you
know what DMT is? No, DMT is like a very
powerful psychedelic drug. I've never taken it. Okay, Joe Rogan
talks about it a lot, my hero. Hey Lyle, I'm Flux.
The guy you talked to about my DMT experiences this

(48:48):
year and was in your podcast. Okay. I think I
remember this guy because he talked I think this guy
was if this There's been a few people that have
called into the show about doing DMT, and I think
this was the guy who talked about like just doing
it like every day for like a while. Okay, I
just wanted to check in and say hi, I haven't
done d m T in a while, but I don't

(49:08):
have any regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did. I've
been learning a lot about parapsychology and it's been great. Unrelated,
my lady broke up with me today because of numerous reasons.
Really funny, Okay, go on, but it came down to

(49:30):
cohesiveness in our relationship. Wait, wait, you're gonna you're gonna hate,
You're gonna hate this. As a gamer, it was really
hard to not text her back just saying gigs. Oh,
you don't know what that means? Good games, good games. Yes,
she played games too. I'm gonna assume she doesn't, which

(49:54):
makes this really funny.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Your teeth are looking good, by the way, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
When you're entist, you're.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Really we'll get back to this person's email, but I
feel like you're really. You've really mastered your your brushing situation.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Dental hygiene, mental hygiene. This is another reason I don't
have spoons, is because you, like so many things in life,
demand your attention. Your fucking teeth, the dishwasher, cook every work, family.
People want to text it.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
And you can siding between dental hygiene and having more spoons.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Kind of we're deciding between a lot of different things
and spoons. Okay, anyway, sorry, okay, sorry, So yeah, like
if you play, like if I'm playing like a video
game with someone for a while and then after we
finished playing, I'll we'll wear back just text gs good games.
So cool. So when this guy, after this guy's relationship ended,
he just texted her back and wrote.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Oh god, okay, sounds like my type of guy. Okay,
what else did you say?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
He said? He said, ps, come to Alaska. I got you. Okay,
I will come to Alaska at some point.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
He'll DM you back on that.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Do you have anything to say about this or should we?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I wish your ex coir friend the best of luck,
and I wish you the best of luck with this.
I don't think there's anything I have to add, So
we can do one more email where we have something
to add.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Okay, this is from Emma.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
We already ran Emmas.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
This is a different Emma. Okay, wait it was there
another Emma?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah, oh you really do have a name Bland Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Subject line oh wait, okay, okay, subject line jen Alpha
cooked Okay, hello, I have started working as a para
and after only two and a half months, I'm going
back to lifeguarding like I did in high school. I
am twenty five years old, and by god, have things

(51:50):
changed in classrooms. I don't know what has happened to
the public education system, but now kids run the classroom.
A teacher will be giving a lesson while a kid
is doing Fortnite Dances in the corner. Yeah, everyone is talking,
and another kid will be going, shut the fuck up, bitch.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Okay, but all a teacher can really do is be like,
we need to make better choices. Friends. I genuinely think
this generation is doomed. I know I'm repeating the generational
cycle of having a negative outlook on the succeeding generation,
but I feel like it is very valid. I have
really bad insomnia, and I can't even feel relaxed when

(52:29):
I take my ambient anymore. I'm glad I'm leaving, but
at the same time, I feel kind of bad. I'm
always switching from one job to the next. I fear
I may never attain a steady job anyway. I hope
you are having a good day. Wow, Wait, what's a
para para. What she just wrote, I have started working
as a para paralegal. Maybe I assume whatever this she's working,

(52:53):
I assume whatever she's doing is at a school, is
at a school. But then she says she's a lifeguarden.
But whatever she's doing, she has some experience being in
a school. Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I agree with you. I think the kids are cooked.
But I think I think phones and iPads have ruined us.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
But when you think about it, right, like we like,
I think the short form video brain rot is kind
of new, but like we grew up with our own
version of this stuff. You know, we grew up with
like face Book and Snapchat, and like we had our
phones with us in school. We did all this shit.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I mean, you're younger than me, but I mean I
when I was in middle school, all I had was
a flip phone because that's what was around. And I
didn't get like an iPhone, I guess really until I
was in the middle of the end of high school.
And Snapchat was big towards the end of high school

(53:54):
for me, and Instagram was like kind of like sophomore
year of high school. So when I I mean I
was in middle school in two thousand and seven, we
didn't have iPads. iPads weren't around, and at school you
didn't bring laptops. You didn't have iPads, And there weren't memes.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
There were totally means in two thousand and seven were
totally means In two thousand and seven.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
There were not memes. In two thousand and seven, maybe
there were, but I if there were memes, it wasn't
like now with like fucking Daniel the White Vans or
whatever that thing is.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I mean, I'm just outing my there's a shit. There's
shit like that, like the.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Six seven thing. I don't really get it, but like
apparently it's ruining teachers and parents' lives.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
No, but we had we had things like that.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
But you're younger than me, so you had like what
you felt like you had it younger because you don't like.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
You remember like I'm trying to give like specific examples,
but like I don't know, there was like flash mobs
and like the Harlem shake and uh that's what she said,
and what like there's like shit like this has.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Been and for Yeah, but that's like brain rot. It's
maybe it's maybe it's like the first version of brain rot.
But this is like real brain, Like the kids these
days have real brain fucking rot.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
You know what. I you know, I was thinking about
this kind of actually made me happy to think about.
Is we do you I don't know if I talked
about this on the podcast started, but uh, do you do?
You do? You know? Do you remember the meme when
the Minions movie came out of kids like dressing up
in suits to go to the Minions movie? Did you
see that?

Speaker 2 (55:32):
No? But that's really funny.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
It's really fun I saw that and I was like,
that's exactly something that me and my friends would have
done in middle school. And it's nice to see. I
don't know, I was just say it made me have
like that's something me and my friends would have done
in middle school. And I'm like, I don't think that
these kids are that different from like.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I don't that different.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
What scares the things that the things that's.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Spokes social media is really.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
The thing that spooks me is that like and you know,
I when I was when I was like I mean
even before middle school, like when I was like in
elementary school, I would make these little YouTube videos. I
made a video once where like I blamed nine to
eleven on Mickey Mouse's and you used to used to
make videos with your friends too, but like we we

(56:18):
made them, and we made them when we upload them
on YouTube. But like the way that short form video
works is like you can be fucking around and have
like a million people see it in like a way
that is different from like the YouTube of owl that
spooks me. There's this Instagram channel called like, uh, gossip

(56:39):
of I don't know exactly what it's called, but I
would make it up. It's like gossip of Frederick High School.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
That's I mean we had when I was in college,
there was yik yak r.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Do you.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Like people would spread rumors about other people. I mean Georgia.
I went to EGA, and Georgia was too big for
it to like really make any difference to anybody. But yeah,
now now like Gossip of Frederick High School or whatever
it is, that shit is pernicious.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
There's and these these kids are like you like the
Gossip of Frederick High School whatever it is. It says like,
h like the kids are using AI to make these
like high production value videos of being like what teachers
are totally cooked. And then it's like, you know, mister
Bernstein and it's like his school photo that like has
like evil like devil horns or whatever the fuck, and

(57:29):
it's like nobody can do anything about this.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
We're doomed as a society. AI is ruining all of
our media literacy.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
We were but we were doing shitty. We were doing
things like that, but it was less.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
It seemed less insidious when we were doing it back
in the day. But now it's like it feels more
insidious because it's more everywhere, like things wouldn't go viral
or things whenn't really be that spread back in two
thousand and seven, but in two thousand and five twenty
five people are.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Just I think it's just about like you're inherently a
dick when you're fourteen. I was on the train.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
You are inherently a dick when you're fourteen. That was sure.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I was on the train yesterday. I don't know why
I was thinking about this. If I have kids, I'd
like I think i'd like to have kids. If I
have a kid, I'm gonna at some point, like when
they're like ten or whatever, I'm gonna sit them down.
I'm going to be like, I need you to know
that the one the one thing that you will regret

(58:28):
is the times that you were a dick to people, Okay,
because I think about things I did or said to
people when I was like in high school and middle school. Yeah,
and I feel like I feel a strong sense of like, oh,
that was a dick thing too.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I think more about like the embarrassing moment, like like
me not having real consciousness. Wow, I'm really sady. We're
gonna get into a really good conversation, but I'm already
tied minutes late for a meeting. Oh you are, okay,
but I decided that I wanted to stay on with
my brother and talk about how jen Alfa is cooked.
Sentence on this is that I think every generation. I

(59:04):
think Emma said it right, every generation just shits on
the other ones. You know, you're gen Z, I'm millennial.
I'm like, I'm like millennial gen Z cusp. And you know,
we're always going to think that everybody younger than us
is dumb and stupid. And I think that's just kind

(59:25):
of how it goes sometimes.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Claire, thank you very much for joining us on the
Therapy podcast. Is there anything else you want to say
to the people of the computer before you go.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
I would like to say I would love for people
to weigh in on our conversation about your looks.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, please please write in thought so you think.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, And I would love everybody to have a happy
Thanksgiving and spend time with people that you care about,
whoever those people are, and while and I will be
spending a lot of time together this week. Beautiful And
that's all she wrote.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Well, thanks for being here, Chloe. We're going to take
a quick break and then I will be back to
read a few more emails. Gek bless everyone, gack bless,
and we're back and it's just me. My sister is gone. Well,
she's in a different room than me. She's still on
the planet. That was nice. I liked that. I like

(01:00:25):
having another person to do these calls and emails with.
I want to have more guests on the show, folks.
If you have ideas, if you have people that you
want to see who are just out in the zeitgeist
of the Internet that you think would be good guests
for this show, let me know in the Spotify comments

(01:00:48):
or send me an email or a DM or whatever.
If you have anyone who you think would be a
fun guest for this podcast. I'm going to try to
have more guests and reach out to more people, just
so I don't have to be alone, you know, just
so I don't have to be alone. I don't mind
it though. Okay, all right, let's look at some more emails,

(01:01:10):
shall we. This is from Melissa, subject line compassion burnout. Hi, Gek,
I am a longtime listener and fan of the podcast.
I think what you do is incredible and I recommend
your podcast to all my friends. Thank you, Melissa. That's
very sweet. I recently have been dealing with a lot
of compassion burnout. I didn't know what that meant until
my coworker told me there's a label for how I'm feeling.

(01:01:33):
I work in the dog grooming industry, and my job
requires a lot of patience. I mean, what dog have
you met that likes taking a bath? In my field
of work, I deal with a lot of people who
bring their dogs to me in really rough shape, often
needing to be stripped of extremely matted coats, or dealing
with skin conditions and other issues caused by neglectful pet parents.

(01:01:56):
I am asked daily to do impossible tasks to groom
dog with extreme behavior issues and groom puppies start to
finish with impossible time constraints. I have been feeling like
my patience is running thin with both people and animals.
I pride myself on my ability to be patient and
kind and to treat every animal I work with with

(01:02:18):
respect and compassion, But being overloaded with work in a
corporate salon has left me drained. I don't have the
patience anymore for a job I once loved. I feel
like people who work in similar jobs, even healthcare, hospitality,
and education, can relate. And I want to say that
compassion burnout is real. Maybe you have felt this way, Gek,

(01:02:38):
I am wondering if you have any advice. What does
self care look like for you? When you have a
free day to just be yourself? What does that look like? Gek?
Bless thank you for your time. So here's kind of
my thought process on this. And I'm about to say

(01:02:59):
a bunch of bullshit. And all this bullshit I'm saying
is not things that I've mastered, but it's things I'd
like to master. It's things i'd like to think, I'd
like to ascribe to. So basically, I think at a
certain point, no matter how awesome you are, you know,
or how awesome you want to be, you just can't,

(01:03:23):
you know what I mean, You just can't. And I
used to want to be the awesomest guy and respond
to everyone with extreme kindness and amazingness, and and I
wanted every interaction that everyone ever had with me to

(01:03:45):
be positive, and I wanted them to go back to
their friends and be like, oh, I spoke to the
therapy gecko. He was amazing. He's such a great guy.
But you just can't. You just can't do You just
can't do it. And the sooner you realize that as

(01:04:08):
a human being going through the world, even as a
human being going through the world with like good intentions,
you're gonna piss someone off. You're just gonna do it.
You're just gonna piss people off. You're gonna not be
amazing one hundred percent of the time. And I've accepted that.
I've just accepted it. I'm like, I might have an

(01:04:31):
interaction with someone where they walk away being like that
guy was kind of a dick, and in return I
have my sanity sort of, you know what I mean.
I think the concept of like setting yourself on fire
to warm everyone else is a real thing, and you

(01:04:53):
just can't do it. I don't. I don't make a
withdrawal when there are insufficient funds anymore. I used to,
but I and and and this is why I gave
the disclaimer in the beginning, because I'm sure I still
do in a lot of ways withdrawal when there's in

(01:05:13):
sufficient funds. But lately I've gotten better at being like, oh,
there's insufficient funds here, I can't be the kind of
person that I want to be right now. And I
that used to send me in a big fucking spiral,
because I think when I get burnt out or when
I when I lose all my energy, I think it's permanent.

(01:05:34):
I'm like, oh no, I'm like this forever shit. But
it's not. It's just part of a cycle. And so
I try to be compassionate to myself and understand when
I just don't have it and it's gonna be you'll
piss people off, and that's okay. It's okay. It's okay
if you pissed some people off. You know, if you're

(01:05:59):
in some if you're in a gig where you're working
with a lot of different people, you can like try
your best to make it so that as many people
as possible have positive interactions with you, But you can
never ever make it. Someone's always gonna be pissed off
about about something, so you know, that's that's what I

(01:06:21):
would say. My advice is try your best, but when
you see there's insufficient funds, just accept it. Accept it
because there's no point in like, uh, like, there's a
lot of times, for example, where I try I sit
down and I try to record this podcast. This happens
to me all the time. This happened to me last night.

(01:06:41):
This is the reason why we're doing a get mail
today is because I tried to record this podcast last
night and this guy got up and I'm gonna tell
you something that happens to me all the time, and
it's the fucking worst thing. It's the fucking worst Like
somebody like I'll be in the suit and I'll be
courting the show and it's just I can just tell

(01:07:03):
it's one of those days maybe like the sun is
out and I'm hot and the makeup is like staining
on my face and I'm and I'm just like was
pissed off about something else earlier in the day, and
I'm just not there. And someone's talking to me, and
I can tell, and I don't mean to be a whatever.
Someone's talking to me and I can tell. I mean,

(01:07:25):
you guys know how to Like. Someone's talking to me,
and I can tell they're really excited to be on
the show. They're like really excited to talk and they
and they've listened to the show. And I'm like, fuck, man,
this guy's like listened to hours of me talk and
like is really excited to be here, and and it's
really excited to talk to me. And I'm just like, fuck,

(01:07:47):
I just know I feel it in my gut that
I cannot provide the therapy gecko experience that this person
uh is excited for And that's the fuck. And then
and they're also they're being so nice to me, and
I'm like, that's just it's the fucking worst. Not that
they're being nice to me, but it's the fucking worst

(01:08:09):
when I look into my brain and I'm like, fuck,
there's insufficient funds for me to be the kind of
person that I want to be for this person right now,
Like I just can't do it. It's the worst. It's
like a helpless feeling. But and I used to be
and I and then they get off the and then
I this happened yesterday, Like someone calls in, I just

(01:08:31):
can't do it. And then I can tell that they
hang out. I can tell they hang up and they're like, wow,
that was kind of disappointing, and I can tell that
they feel bad. And you know, I used to really
beat myself up about it. I used to and I
still do sometimes, but I used to really beat myself
up about it, like thinking about this person, like being
disappointed and especially considering how much they gave me in

(01:08:54):
terms of like, uh, you know, their time and their enthusiasm.
But what am I going to do? There's insufficient funds
in the bank for energy. I can't make myself more
than what I am at any given moment. And I
don't know if I believe in like powering through that ship,

(01:09:15):
because it's it's worthless, because what's that your work is
Like when you try to power through burnout, your work
is going to be bad. Uh, it's grooming dogs as
maybe a different thing from like recording something. But like

(01:09:35):
I think in general, you you're judged more by like
the quality of your interactions and the quality of your
work and whatnot more than you are the quantity of it,
at least, I guess in in certain fields. And so
if the quality of the work that you're doing is
going to be shit because you have insufficient funds in
the energy bank, then what's the what's the point of

(01:09:59):
power through? I think it's stupid. So I just I've
just learned to accept that this. I'm gonna be shitty
in that situation. So I don't know if that's how
I don't that's my perspective on this, Melissa. Uh, when
I have a free day to just be myself, I

(01:10:21):
don't believe in free days, not even in like a
productivity bro thing. I'm just like, man, it's all just
one life. It's one timeline. I don't know, it's they're
all free days technically, you know. Anyway, all right, let's

(01:10:48):
continue on. Let's continue on. Thank you for sending sending that, Melissa.
Let's do one or two more? Shall we?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
All right? This is from all Right. This is from
Slayer of God's subject line Into the Wild. I grew
up in the suburbs, and I've lived a pretty average life.
Ever since watching your video with the train hopper, I've

(01:11:20):
become obsessed with the idea of just disappearing. Dude, shout
out the train Hopper, Orion and trip Steve Stephen. I'm
not really good with names, but I think his name
is Stephen or Steve. Hold on. I got to make
sure his name is fucking Steve, because I'm pretty sure
it is, and he's He's a true legend of this podcast.

(01:11:42):
I want to I want to get his name right.
I'm pretty fucking sure with Steve. Steven. Yeah, September twenty seventh, Yeah, okay, yeah, Steven,
there it is, Yes Steven. If you haven't already, go
listen to I hopped trains for twelve years. That's probably
the best episode of this podcast that we've recorded. Anyway,

(01:12:04):
Ever since watching your video with the train Hopper, I've
become obsessed with the idea of just disappearing, going to
really live and experience stuff. I realize that when I
come back, my problems will still be waiting for me,
and I realize that it isn't really freedom. It's a
good adventure, but not a good life, and all that
I want to do it despite I crave this feeling
of survival and adventure. I'm curious what you mean by survival.

(01:12:27):
But I found out about a man named Christopher McCandless
aka Alexander Supertramp. Yes, I'm very familiar with this guy's story.
There's a book and a movie about him called Into
the Wild. He pretty much decided to adventure all across
America until he died in a bus in Alaska. That's
the short story. Highly suggest you watch it. I don't

(01:12:49):
know if I've ever seen the movie, but I have read.
I'm very familiar with Christopher McCandless his whole deal. There
are many different interpretations of it. Here's mine. It is
not a cautionary tale. Christopher McCandless is the result of
a system that does not allow people to live as
they free, live as they free. I guess he means

(01:13:12):
live free. Okay, long story shot on Christopher Candless. Yeah,
he's a guy who basically was like, I'm gonna leave
everything behind and I'm gonna go live in the woods
and I'm gonna survive and leave society. And he died
pretty fast after doing that, I think by eating like
some poisonous berries, and a lot of people think that

(01:13:36):
he was an idiot like that, he essentially just committed suicide.
That's what a lot of people think. And then a
lot of people think, well, no, he's a this in
the email says he's a martyr. That's what this emailer says,
that he's a martyr, And a lot of people think
that he's a martyr, and that he's basically like a
you know, died for the cause of proving the ills

(01:14:01):
of society, I suppose. And yeah, there's a lot of
interpretations of it. Personally, I don't know. I don't know
right because it was it was a little bit of

(01:14:23):
a throw caution to the wind and let's see what's
up kind of a thing. But hmm, Okay, I'm gonna
keep reading an email. I'm not saying go die in
the woods. I'm saying our lives are dictated by fake rules.
You've got one shot of this, so do with it
as you please. Every time I hear a train horn,

(01:14:43):
I think about running away and seeing where it takes me.
This thought eats at the back of my head. That's
the whole email. Okay, well, I'm gonna speak directly to
this emailer. Listen, man, Okay, the whole thing of like
I lived in the suburbs, I've lived in an average life.
I've become obsessed with the idea of just disappearing. I
gonna tell you something, my friend is, in my opinion,

(01:15:05):
you're thinking about this from like crazy extremes, very unnecessarily,
like my friend go on a trip, you know what
I mean? Does it have to be Does it have
to be work a nine to five job in the
suburbs or be homeless in the woods. Did those have

(01:15:27):
to be the only two options?

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Uh, Go go on a trip, go on an adventure.
I highly recommend going on an adventure. I mean, we
talked about this earlier in the podcast when Chloe was
on here. I remember every adventure I've had in my life,
whether the therapy gecko tours or trips I took to
foreign countries to do shit, or things I was doing
before the Gecko's stuff. I remember all of them, and

(01:15:51):
I treasure all those memories. I really do. So I
recommend doing it. If you've never done some shit like
that before, go on adventure. And and it doesn't even
like the fucking Brussels guy. Doesn't even have to be
something grand. It can just be a big walk across
or headchhike across the place you live in, right, And

(01:16:12):
then the thing about it's a good adventure but not
a good life. I've experienced that too, and I kind
of again oscillate between really craving a domestic life and
really craving adventure. And the thing this emailer said about
our lives are dictated by fake rules, well, I don't.

(01:16:38):
I think it's a different I think you've got a
different interpretation of it. I don't think the rules that
we live by as a society are fake necessary. I
mean they're I mean, yeah, they're like they're a consensus, right,
and you're an individual, you can search for your own
truth instead of searching for instead of abiding by the consensus.

(01:16:59):
But a lot of the times the consensus is a
consensus for our reason. You know, like we've reached a
consensus that you should not kill other people, and if
you do, you will go to a place where you
can't be in society anymore, and you become a warden
of the state. And you know, maybe you think we

(01:17:24):
should be able to kill people, and you believe that
that's a fake rule, and and you know, look, you
can do that. You can go and kill people. You're
probably not You're probably gonna go to jail or whatever.
I don't know. If you if that's your philosophical belief
that you should kill people, then you know, you can
believe that that's a fake that can be your truth,

(01:17:44):
but you but we live amongst each other on the planet,
so we come to consensus on fake rules. And I
guess short, Yeah, one of the rules that you're thinking
of is like, we need money to survive, and we
need this and that and the other thing. And if
you really want to get by without money and you

(01:18:04):
want to go into the woods and survive, you can
do that, but you can't have a fucking hard time.
That's why we'ven that's why we've reached the consensus on
a lot of the things that we have. I'm a
big believer in like questioning the kind of like supposed
to's of life. And I'm a big believer in, like

(01:18:29):
I trying to find alternative viewpoints to the things that
we are told that we have to do, and all
all that stuff. All that stuff is great, But I'm
also a big believer of, like you know, I'll meet
like a sixty six year old boomer who did everything
the way you're supposed to and he's got his money
and he plays golf and he's got he makes smoothies

(01:18:54):
with the thing, and he seems pretty happy. So I
don't know. Look, you can follow the rules of society
whatever that means to you and end up being like,
oh okay, I kind of like these rules. I like
having bananas on my shelf, you know, I like having
I like that I go to an office and I
have coworkers that are around me, and I like the

(01:19:15):
routine and I like the stability. That might not be
for you, or maybe you can have a combat. I've
I've kind of in my life developed a bit of
a thing where I have a bit of a I
have a combination of the two, and I really kind
of meticulously worked to have a combination of those two things.
And I feel like I've gotten to see the value
of going to an office every day and drinking coffee

(01:19:39):
and uh, you know, having at least one spoon. But
I also see the value and being like fuck all
this shit, and you know, going to you know, disappear
for a little bit because you'll get lonely. Man Like
you can travel, travel all over the place and make
those memories, but you'll get fucking lonely, and you need

(01:19:59):
to have a sort of domestic ish routine that lets
you be around other people or else you know, you'll
get lonely and die in the woods. I don't have
a joke for this, and maybe do I need. I
don't know if I need more jokes. I think I'm
gonna just keep talking. Every time I try to make

(01:20:21):
a joke, it sucks. I like the I like, just
we're gonna arrive at humor naturally, he said. This thought
eats to the back of my head. Just go on
a trip, man. You don't have to disappear. Just go
for a week. You don't have to I like, I
don't like. I really don't like seeing these Like I

(01:20:42):
think people get really caught up in these like extreme
binaries when it's like, brother, just because you have the
reason you're caught up in this binaries, because you have
this like fantasy of what it's like to disappear. But
your fantasy is worth diarrhea. It's nothing. So go out
and do it for like a little bit, and then
you'll see what it's actually like. And then you'll come

(01:21:04):
back and then you're gonna fantasize about what it was.
You're gonna look back on what your actual experience was
in a fantasy way, and then it's just a repeating cycle.
That's That's how I've experienced a lot of this stuff. Okay,
let's do let's do like one more. Okay, security alert,

(01:21:28):
there's been a new sign into your Gmail account. We'll
deal with that later. Okay. This is from Gino, subject
line seasonal slash holiday candy. Dear Gek, I have a
topic on my mind. I know you definitely are gonna
have a response to. Mainly, what's been on my mind

(01:21:48):
has been the seasonal caramel Apple Turtles. Those things are
fucking badass and I want and need more, but they
only stocked them during Christmas time. I discovered them while
stalking the seasonal area of my Walmart at two am,
and they changed my life. They taste like a regular
turtle mixed with Crown Apple. I'm hoping that they stock

(01:22:11):
them again next Christmas. If they don't, I don't know
how to feel about having had such a delectable treat
I can never get again. They're more seasonal candies that
are pretty bombed, like the Holiday Punch, Sweet tart Ropes
and the SpongeBob Gummy crabby patties. Wait, that's not that's
not SpongeBob Grommy private patties are not seasonal. Also, I

(01:22:34):
don't know why people like them. I think they taste
like shit. They taste like eating a fucking robbery racer.
Number one though, for me, is the caramel Apple Turtles.
I'll be waiting for them and hoping they come back now.
I hope you have a good day. I'm gonna get
my lazy ass back to work now. Sincerely, whatever name
you choose to give me, well, I gave you the
name Gino, so I guess that'll be your name. I'm

(01:22:54):
gonna look this up. Caramel Apple Turtles. Are they? What
brand is this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Ooh?

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Fuck shit? Demets turtles? Caramel Apple That looks awesome. Okay, yeah,
they're at Walmart. I think you could just get them online, man, Yeah,
you can get them on Amazon. Look at that. Oh
there's only two left in stock. Holy shit. Okay, yeah,
you can just buy them on Amazon. Brother milk chocolate

(01:23:26):
pecan caramel Apple. That looks awesome. I really can't. You know.
The thing is is, I mean, I love this kind
of stuff. You guys know, me. I love candies a lot.
I've been working on trying to not be doing all that,
but fuck, man, fuck, sometimes it just feels like the
meaning of like, if I go too long without eating candy,

(01:23:47):
I start to be like, I know, I really start
to be like, I don't think there's a point of
living if I can't have a little bit of candy
now and then maybe that's bad, but that's just my reality.
These look so good. I bet there is two hundred
calories in every one of these milk chocolate, pecan, caramel,

(01:24:10):
apple turtle bites. I bet it's always worth it. I
this is unrelated. I have a hack for you guys.
This is an endorse I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna
give a free I know, I know that there's a
lot of ads on the podcast. I lowered the limit.
I lowered the amount of ads, so there will be
less ads. Thank you for bearing with me on the ads.

(01:24:31):
But I'm gonna do an ad. I'm gonna do a
free ad of my own volition. I since I hereby
endorse Almond Breeze Eggnog for the holiday season. There's a
free endorsement because I love egnog, so much. It's the
most unreasonable substance that exists on the planet. I think

(01:24:56):
there's there's about a thousand calories in every sip and
it's just not real. It's just not You can't drink
it unless if you're really giving up, and it's the
most delicious thing on the planet. Uh, Almond Breeze came
up with this like almond milk eggnog where you can

(01:25:17):
like really drink a full glass of it and it's
not and it's I don't know what the what's the
calorie content Almond Breeze egg eggnog, Almond Breeze eggnog. It's
got like seventy calories a cup. That's like incredible. So

(01:25:39):
I've been I've been really slamming that stuff down because, yeah,
regular eggnog is just not you can't do it or
else you're you're gonna you can gain like ten pounds
off of just one carton of eggnog. It's so good.
You know what I hate about this is the thing
I hate about like being like if like a fatter guy,

(01:26:03):
is that, Uh, I have all these things I love,
like eggnog and candy corn and whatnot, and I really
it's like gambling or something where it's like they they
really are getting most of their income from a small
percentage of folks like me who are eating this stuff.

(01:26:25):
And there's nobody else to commiserate with, because anytime I
bring up eggnog, people are like disgusted by it. People
like I don't fucking eat candy corn, I'm fucking eat eggnog,
or like if egnog comes out, because sometimes people buy
eggnog and they have it a functions. No one drinks it.
It's just festive and somebody will have like a little

(01:26:46):
shot of eggnog and be like it's too sweet for me, dude,
fuck you, I don't know what that means. I'll just
you know, down a whole cup or a cartony, and
then I'll pour an other one for you know what.
It's a whole cart and gone. But yeah, the almond
milk version is pretty good. I don't know if this

(01:27:07):
made for good podcast material, but I'm glad I got
it out there, and I'm hoping that you get your
turtles gino.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I think this was the therapy getto Thanksgiving, Halloween, Christmas
special whatever it was. Thank you again to my sister
Chloe for coming on. Let me know again in like
whatever Instagram, DMS or email or whatever it is, who
who you want to see on as a guest on

(01:27:38):
the Therapy g Ecko podcast. Thank you guys for listening.
Have a good Thanksgiving, have a good holiday season. I'll
be back with another episode on Sunday. And that's it.
Oh yes, go to Therapy Gecko Tour dot com. I'm
going on a tour in twenty twenty six. I'm a

(01:27:59):
hundred percent hitting a bunch of places on the West
Coast first. Uh So, if you live on the West
coast of the US, if you live anywhere on the planet,
go to Therapy Gecko Tour dot com and give me
your phone number so I can text you. I don't
spam people's text I don't like to do this, so
you'll only hear from me if I'm coming to your town.

(01:28:20):
Uh and I want to do it. I'm gonna do
a bunch of shows in twenty twenty six of me
telling stories and doing a little bit of yeah, a
little bit of storytelling, a little bit of therapy geckoing.
So please go to therapy get Go tour dot com
and give me your phone number, slash email so I
can let you know when I'm coming to your town

(01:28:42):
and aside from that, get bless see you guys around
the universe. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Again, it goes on the line. Thank you your phone
calls every nine everything goes I do teaching line.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
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