October 21, 2025 • 31 mins
On this episode of Throttle Therapy, it’s that time of the month and Christina Nielsen joins Katherine Legge to check in as Katherine navigates securing sponsorships and the uncertainty of next season. They also share the story of how they almost got scammed, highlighting the darker sides of the racing industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Throttle Therapy with Catherine Legg is an iHeart women's sports
production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You
can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to this
(00:21):
week's episode of Throttle Therapy with as always me Catherine
and You'll never guess what you guys, it's my favorite
time of the month. It is that time of the
month and we have Christina and Nielsen back with us.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hi, babe, Hello everyone, Hello Kat, how are you? I'm good,
even busy. Yeah, it's been a busy few weeks. It's
been insane, but it's all good stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Why don't we start off by updating our listeners with
what's going on in Christina's life, because it's lots of
exciting stuff, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I mean it's a little bit of mixed been
in school from my studies. We're not to say school.
Actually it's supposed to be universities. I think, I don't know,
high higher education. Hi. Everyone, name is Christina. I'm in
for a grade free eight. Yeah. So I've been in school.
(01:15):
I've been on the road with with Porsia Denmark for
a bit as well for some of their events. And yeah,
it's just been ramping up a bit. But go on
a little vacation with the family at the end of
this week, so that'll be nice to get a little
bit of a break. Yeah, what about you? Where are
you going on? Baking Greece? Oh lovely? I have never
been to grees I've been.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Some places around it, but never to Greece or any
of the Greek islands. Actually, so I bless item. Right,
it just looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
What's the weather like over there at the moment? I mean, okay,
I remember I'm European, so Celsius, it's more like twenty
four to twenty five degrees during the day, okay, so
like h eighties. Yeah, fantasting me here. Yeah, let's go
with that. If I just say with conviction, yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I don't know what the conversion rate is anyway. What
have I been up to? So actually that's a little
bit about what I wanted to make this week's topic about.
I have been stressed, a little bit stressed. I have
been working really hard. It is that time of year
where you need to put the jigsaw together and I
don't know whether it's just our industry or whether there
(02:27):
are other people who suffer the same fate, but it
feels very much to me like at this time of
year every year, you are scrambling, you have anxiety, you
are stressed, you're trying to put together a deal for
next year, you're talking to teams. There's rejection involved, there's
like people being.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here, lots of rejection, lots.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Of rejection, trying to find sponsors, trying to do all
the networking and the relationship building and everything that you
can throughout the year, which I honestly find exhausting as well.
Like it's not that I'm not nice person, but I
am more introverted, I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And I think it also goes hand in hand with
people perhaps not always understanding or knowing that it's kind
of a chicken or the egg situation, because if you
are going for sponsors but you want to sign with
the team, you know, it's oh, the sponsor wants to
know do you have the team secured? And the team
(03:23):
is like you have the money, yeah, yeah, exactly. So
it's always a chicken or the egg, which is a
dance that you know, especially the silly season has that
as a part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, and I mean you know it very well as well.
But I just unless you're one of the lucky few
that have landed in a good ride with a multi
year contract or you've got massive personal family wealth and
you just don't have to worry about it, like you
left scrambling, it's like musical chairs almost. So it's it's
pretty hard I think on everybody. I mean, I remember
(03:58):
when we were trying to put to your deals a
few years ago. I mean, I feel like you and
I have been to war together, like it almost one.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Hundred percent underco overcover, like man have been gone through
some I mean it was kind of a beautiful thing
because it was also when we became closer. But it
is such a road to navigate, and I think the
craziest one for us was definitely our little friends excursion
(04:30):
with this Redwood company that sounded very promising, and because
those multi year deals are so rare, and everybody knows
in sports it is very hard to secure sponsorships. I mean,
let's face it, unless you're like Formula one, the rest
has a much tougher time. I'm not saying that Formula
one can't be difficult. Also, but everyone else is. It's
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another kind of game. It's another league in terms of
what you need to do to secure sponsors. And I
mean we got put through the ringer with that one company.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I'm gonna let you tell this story because your memory
is so much better than mine.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
No, I was just thinking, can remember everything. I'm going
to help each other.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I remember us giggling our asses off in the hotel
room in France after.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
We realized what happened. Lucky.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Honestly, though we shouldn't have been giggling. We were pretty naive.
We were very hopeful. Hopeful is the word. I mean,
anything could have happened. It was a very dodgy situation.
But before I let you tell the story, I will
say I have PTSD about that Bitcoin, never.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Been touching that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, But I will say sponsorship is a really tricky
thing because if you're trying to sell yourself, it lacks credibility.
If somebody is trying to sell you, they don't really
know all the intricacies, and I think people get caught
in this trap of trying to sell the amount that
the team needs to run the car. So say a
(06:04):
team says we need a million dollars to run this
car for the year. Then you go on looking for
a million dollars, right, but in actuality, that seat, that
advertising on the side of that car, those activations, everything
that you do for a return on investment, and ROI
could maybe only be worth five hundred thousand or it
could be worth.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Two millions exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So it's like, how do you know without some big
conglomerate doing a report on it, like what it's worth.
And so my experience with ELF actually has helped me
to understand how they see an ROI and how that
is kind of captured because it's not just how many
eyeballs saw it. It's like the good faith and the
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good will that it provided. And then you know, it
doesn't necessarily if they invest a million bucks in me,
it doesn't mean that they're going to sell a million
bucks worth of profit and get their money back. It
might be more, might be less, but there's other benefits
to it as well. So like trying to explain that
to somebody who doesn't necessarily know racing, and there are
a lot of big companies out there that don't know
(07:08):
racing is tough. I feel like it's not just a
personal services deal, like a lot of sports people do.
It's almost like being an NFL team or a soccer
team or something. You're kind of doing the job that
and a lot of teams do it themselves too, but
it's just there's a lot more intricacies and it's a
lot harder than you would think just sending out proposals.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And also sometimes understanding that maybe a company is open
to doing let's say a trial run. Yeah, we'll give
it a shot, And it's hard sometimes to explain to
them that, okay, well, if you just started a new
company didn't succeed in its first year, there needs to
be an investment period where you actually get to see
(07:54):
if the traction is worth it, just like building up
a company or building up a new relation, and there
are no guarantees, right, and so it's a very very
risky business to navigate and to understand. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And then the more the teams think that you have, oh,
you've got an endless pot of money coming from alf
for drop Light or whoever whatever, then they set their
own kind of like expectations, which is tough too, and
just it's not having the yes or no answers as well,
like a nose sometimes it's just as good as a yes,
(08:31):
because you can move on to the next thing. It
just seems like somebody's up there like leaving you hanging
all the time, and you just can't move forward and
you're stuck pushing this bold rap now.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But also understanding that one thing is the actual money
that's needed for the race team, then you know you
need to be aware of putting money aside for guest suits,
for passes, for lunch, for dinners, for hotel rooms, maybe
travel expenses, maybe two extra golf carts in order to
be able to entertain the VIP clients that are coming
to the races. So you know, it's not just about
(09:06):
the exact amount that the team needs to run. There's
also salaries enrolled, you know the event space. You know
all events cost essentially, maybe you have an agent, they
take ten percent, they take fifteen percent, whatever it might be. Yeah,
there's so many players in this and so many parts
that truly makes these contracts that can become a black
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hole in terms of losing the money. So it's super
important to understand everything that needs to be included in
order to actually make sure that you are completely covered.
And that is what makes it snowball sometimes in how
much you need should we get into the story? It
(09:58):
sounds like or just sitting giggling to the room.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What's a weird Okay, yeah, yes, okay, So let's go
back to the start, which is what what year.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Twenty twenty, Yeah, yeah, twenty nineteen, twenty twenteen, yeah, around
them yeah yeah. If I remember correctly, I think it
was actually that a woman was involved on our side
to secure some sponsorships, and I think they actually contacted
her to begin with. And here's the first red flag,
(10:29):
kind of like dating that we should looking in hindsight,
we should have realized, we want to give you twenty
million over the next three years. Yep, right there. There
should have been a red flag. But all we saw,
because it is so hard to secure these deals, we
saw money, We saw a multi year deal, and we
saw opportunity to choose for ourself what we want to
do with the money, with like no commitment to a
(10:51):
specific team, manufacture or anything. And I think it was
something like that. And these guys, through our little WhatsApp
chat ran us through the ringer.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I mean they came from a legit investment firm. Because
we researched this investment firm and.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I was not legit, but they were very good at
making it look legit. Yes, and address in Switzerland. You
look at Google Maps, you can see the building. It
looks legit. You know. We really tried to do our
homework with this one. We did, Yeah, and there was
a website and everything. You know, they built a whole
little universe around this.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Customer reports and like we we heeled into it, you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Know, reviews on Google also, like we we tried to
find everything that we could about this. And you had
a lawyer. We had a lawyer. Yes, that is because
that was when it started to become tricky, because they
wanted to pay us in bigcoin or cryptocurrency at least
(11:56):
whether it's bitcoin or something else cryptocurrency. And you and
I were, you know, on the phone with the banks working.
We set up an account. How do we do this?
You know, we had the lawyer in bold to understand
like transactions, how do we make sure that the money
is cleaned? Were davigatings correctly correct procedure? Yes, made a
company everything, And I mean I can't remember all those
(12:18):
details other than because the lawyer was specialized in cryptocurrency.
He was obviously our little sniff dog like he was,
you know, sniffing around for all from bullshit, and we
tried to you know, so he was the one asking
the critical questions. And these guys, you know, missed blah
blah blah, was not tolerating this. They got really angry
(12:42):
with those questions, and you know, we retired I'm losing it. Yeah,
that we were like, okay, okay, let's take it easy.
Nobody get mad, Everybody stay calm. I mean when I
said out loud, now I'm like, what the fuck? Oh,
I can't say that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, but I don't know what we're thinking, because if
you look at.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It that we're like we were one kinder egg we
say in Danish, you know, the little trees like you
were in the combination brown on the outside, lawd on
the inside. And so these guys wanted to meet and
do the transaction in persons like we had to sit
(13:25):
with our films on a cryptos Yeah. Yes, And so
the lawyer had instructed us in what to look out for,
what to you know, be aware of.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Because we did smell bullshit a little bit, like we did.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
We just wanted to believe it. Yes we knew, but
we wanted to believe them.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, so we went kind of but we did really
really want it to be true.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yes, Okay, Then we did the friends and we were
supposed to meet them in the in the hotel restaurant
at the airport because there were restrictions because of COVID
of not being able to leave, we could only stay
within our premises from the airport, so we could stay
in the airport hotel. And when they met us in
the restaurant, they showed up with flowers to us. I
(14:11):
just looked at you and I was like, what is it?
What is this?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, they were some Middle Eastern gentlemen that came with
these big bouquets beautiful flowers.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yes, that's what we got out of it. Flowers. That
was it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
They were supposed to transfer us bitcoin, but they wanted
our phone and we were like no, no, no, no, no,
definitely not giving. We at least made them meet us
in a public place with other people around.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We were only semi idiots. And then there was something
about them seeing the screen and I don't remember exactly
what it was, but the lawyers said, you know, watch
out for the account because now they have the account
number or something, and I was like huh.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then I know, I thought they were going to
like downl all of our phone stuff and commit some
kind of fraud that way or something. I think maybe
they thought that we had money because we were in racing,
or maybe they had done some research and thought, oh,
these girls are be easy.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, there was something about a certain amount of money
that we needed to have in the accounts. That's because
just like we have a percentage that we give to agents,
they wanted that percentage guaranteed for bringing this deal to us.
That's right. So the deal was when they approved the
transfer to be made, they wanted to transfer for their
(15:36):
percentage fee for the agent bringing the deal to the table.
And yeah, well remembered, Yeah that was it. And then
it turned out to be a scam because I don't
know whether there was like one hundred and thirty dollars
in the account of something.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I just like something I can make it in bitcoin
because back it down and taken yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So yeah, I think they took that. But what's interesting
is obviously we learned after that whole experience. Okay, scam artists.
I remember another driver from the UK right, who had
the exact same experience, and unfortunately that person actually ended
up getting scammed that percentage fee. Yes, that sucks, Yeah,
(16:19):
because they put the money in the account.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
That really sucks. Yeah, I didn't know that. I knew
that they got the same people. But also when it's
an international thing like that, you know, we're we're in
America at the time, you hadn't moved back, and I think,
so we're flying from America to France. They're Middle Eastern,
so they're coming in from I actually don't know where
they were based because they had like Dubai officers, and
(16:45):
they had Swiss officers, and they had UAE officers and
I can't remember what else, and they had like I
think that was was that it? Because they had weird
phone numbers and so I was like doing the area
clodes and they weren't always available. It was a strange situation,
(17:06):
But like, who do you report that to? When it's
on an international level like that, you know it's kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But also when you technically didn't really lose anything of significance, right,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Please arrest them. I almost got scammed. Yeah, yeah, so weird.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
But then anyway, it was just such a weird situation.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So we met them the first time.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
We went back up to hotel room and we were
sat there like I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I don't know what do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And I think We made a few phone calls and
in the end we were like, no, this is definitely
a scam.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And then we both went our respective ways. But I
remember our until the day I die. Remember us on
the bed, giggling our asses off because we had these
flowers and there's these two guys.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Telling us, thinking like, oh, what is wrong with how
we missed? Does this sound familiar to anybody? Please let
us know. We'll make a supporting room.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
But like, we're relatively intelligent, he was. I would say, like,
we're average, Like how.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Did we not? It's so hard to see when you're not.
It's because we're hopeful. We really wanted to believe, Like
this was started saying grace and that's how other people
they pray on the week once and I wouldn't say
we're weak. But we were desperate for money for racing and.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Knew that, and we'd already had like delivery designed and
the team logs.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh, we did so much. They were asking for so
many things. Yeah, I wonder what's going on with them now.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I wonder whether they got COO doing anything or whether
they're out there still traveling around Europe's coming people.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know, I had a thought. I think that do
you know how Netflix have done that? Like the Tinder
swindler and like those kind of things. Yeah, we've become
very good detectives after all the work we've had to
do with those kind of people. I would totally be
on a show where we like put on a you know,
(19:14):
a note to everyone in other sports, like send us
the phone numbers to contact details, the exchanges between all
them scammers and racing, that all the fake companies that
you ever tried to, like where they or if anybody
took money from you, send it to us, like we'll
get to the bottom of it. Yeah, and go after
those people. I would take pleasure in that because I
really think some of it. You know, one thing is
(19:36):
they did it to us. But there might be like
a seventeen year old kid who is thinking, oh my god,
this is the money I can get to go racing,
and they're seventeen, are they really scamming? Like people that
might take out a you know, a loan from their
house or you know, sell something up theirs to just
like afford the little percentage fee to then we're little
(19:59):
depends the amount. If it's twenty million, ten percent of
twenty million's quite a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, but they were so What amazes me about these
people is they were so good at it, right, like
they see, they were so professional.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
If they've done it before, that's what I mean. There
must be other people out there. They must have done
it before, and they must have had success, because otherwise
they wouldn't continue doing it. That's true.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But if they had put that much energy into legitimate
income sources and businesses and stuff like that, then they'd
probably be successful and they wouldn't have to be assholes.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I know, but I guarantee you this is easier.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I think.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, disappointing, and they probably get a kick out of
the power like that they are sitting. You know, remember
when they were rude to us because we were trying
to ask questions that were legitimate questions that were fair
to ask. Then they would still try to make us
feel bad, like if you don't want to make the deal, happen,
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just let us know, or you know, if you're going
to continue like this, We're going to pull the deal.
So they kept putting themselves in a position of power,
and I think they get a kickout lot.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, that's where the psychoanalysis comes in really strong. I
tell you, what do you think we would do if
it happened now with all of our experience behind us.
Do you think we would just laugh them out of
the out of the meeting the first time they speak
to us?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
What do you think we'd still get I have received
a similar emails since, like once every blue moon. I
just ignore it. I'm like, yeah, great, like good job,
great for you not entertaining it. But if I had
the resources to actually catch them, then I would totally
(21:44):
like go after that.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, like a superhero, like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
A Tinders Winter situation that I would totally do. I
feel like that would be fun. I hope we aren't
inspiring any news for me.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So the other interesting storyline I would say, with regards
to sponsorship and team and off season and all of
that stuff, would have been the cat Pillar years, which
is also really interesting. So it started off because I
was coaching this lady in Ferra was it that bikini
(22:33):
or Ferrari, I can't remember. She's like a gentle woman
driver and her name is Jackie, and she was friends
with somebody at Caterpillar, and so she had sold this
all female team I did to Caterpillar, and she was
going to be doing the driving as the as the bronze,
as the gentlewoman driver, and so we tried to get
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her ready and up to speed, but she had some
health issues. And I mean I at the time was
Mike Shank, which I still think is probably one of
the best teams I've ever driven for a lot of
time and respect and daddy issues with Mike. I think
we spoke about that before. So we put this team together.
But in all honesty, like we were so far removed.
(23:17):
She was very protective of the relationship with Caterpillar.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Oh it was not allowed to touch it. She was
very paranoid about us doing anything.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
But because of that, I think it was to the
detriment of the program, because we couldn't do anything for them,
so they obviously didn't see what it was going to
do for them, and they weren't happy that we didn't
do them more, which we promised, and all these things
I should say she'd promise. So it was a very
(23:46):
weird kind of middleman situation that we had this wonderful
sponsor that we could have done so many cool things
with and promoted so much, but we had a hands
tie behind her back in a way. And I still
feel like that's the one that got away, because if
we could have had control and done all the cool
stuff with Mike that we were talking about doing at
(24:08):
the time, like that could have been that program could
have been huge. I mean, we were competitive, we weren't
winning races at that time, but we would have and.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That was the investment piece I talked about earlier. Yeah,
year one would have been the investment. Year two I
think would have been a very strong year, but unfortunately
we didn't go further. And I also understand Jackie's paranoia
because let's face it, how many times have we not tried,
you know, other people trying to steal other people's sponsors. Yeah,
it's a part of the paduct unfortunately, so you are
(24:39):
very protective. But I think to the extent that she
was with us, who was a part of the team,
we were the same all wanted to see this move forward.
I do think and agree that that was limiting the
story we could create.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, it was unfortunate because we had so many great
ideas of what we could do with that, and it
really was kind of a program that was before its time,
and we were like the Iron Dames before the Iron
Dames were a thing. Yeah, But honestly, that was just
a weird situation as well, because then I haven't heard
from her and forever have you nothing? No, So so strange.
(25:18):
It's been years, Yeah, so strange. Yeah, It's weird how
programs come and go and racing and people think that
they're gonna be the next big thing and then it
choose them up and spits them out. It's a really
really tough business.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, if people get forgotten easily. I mean when it's
the last time we talked about Jackie years ago, years, Yeah, exactly.
It is sometimes crazy how people can be so invested.
They are so much a part of your I wouldn't
say daily, but a lot of days throughout the year
because you're in a race team together one day by yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, Well it's like a boyfriend to our husband that
you then break up with and then they're a stranger again.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It still blows my mind how that worked.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Like you were you knew everything intimately about this person,
and if they're like a stranger to you know, it's
the same I'm racing. Same with teams, you know, you
like you're with a team for two three years. If
you're lucky at time, and you basically do go to
war with these people, you know, you like, Okay, that
might be a big extreme. Don't come at me, people,
(26:26):
because I do understand that war is a lot more,
a lot more difficult and hardcore than going racing, but
it's it's still a challenge and a battle, and you
know you're giving it one hundred and ten percent and
in a way you are prepared to go out there
and hurt yourself because you know the dangers. So in
a way, you are committing your entire life to this
(26:50):
group of people. And then you know, a couple of
years later, they're all kind of random again.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, so bizarre. I mean, the only thing that makes
us aware of what's going on in their life to
some extent of social media.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean there's a few that I stayed friends with,
Like the people that you click with and you stay
friends with, then you you know, even if you don't
talk to them that often. Like I've got crew members
and stuff that will send the occasional message when we
see something on Instagram or like hey I'm here or
doing that. I was just thinking of you. I hope
you're doing well, kind of deal. Like I've made a
lot of friends along the way as well, but just
(27:29):
the majority. I'll give you an example, the mspadic now
to us, even though we've only been out of it
for like a couple of years, it would feel like
a very strange place walking back into it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I know, that's sad.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It was our entire life.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And so many new faces. Yeah now, and it's crazy
to see how many new faces have appeared. Yeah, it
makes it feel like a lifetime ago. I know, right.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I mean I still want to do Daytaona though. Wouldn't
it be cool you come back over and we'll do
in twenty or so?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Would always be cool? Would you want to? I don't know.
I think it depends on the setup.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, So say it was like a super good team
and you could go testing before the row.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah that that that's what I mean with the setup,
Like there needs to be some testing and stuff before.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But you would still have the desire to do it
if everything was in the right place, just like on
a one off basis, maybe maybe maybe I would absolutely yeah,
because I love it. But I often think about some
of the things that I've done or I want to do,
like the trade off, for example, Like you're going to
(28:37):
have to invest a bunch of time into making yourself
competitive and ready and everything to do this. What's it
for long term wise? Is it just for your ego?
Is it for creating another string to your bow for
your watch?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh, for the for the road. Absolutely watch, it's a
special one.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, But like I think about that with regards to Okay,
if somebody said, do you want to do the chili
bowl again?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
For example, Yeah, like good example.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I don't know that what I get out of it
is good enough for what you put into it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, So I think it's an evaluation process. I'd see
we're maturing where when we were seventeen, we would have
ripped somebody's arm off for the experience. Like, Yeah, this
time of year definitely makes me sit back and think
about all the different things a lot more as well,
all the psyche behind it, because you're not just in
the like going from race to race, doing race prep stuff,
(29:35):
so you know, going to the shop, going to drive
the sim writing reports, dost. Yeah, you kind of just
kind of get into a rhythm with it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, and then your in survival mode exactly. Yeah, but
now I have but.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't have anxiety when I'm in When I'm in
that mode, I'm kind of I'm in my element in
a way, yeah, because I just keep going. And then
so when this hits and I'm trying to trying to
persuade teams to take a chance on me and trying
to put them the sponsors in place, and or with
that goes or the activation and all the business stuff
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behind it and the agents and the YadA YadA YadA
like that to me is way more stressful because I
do not feel in my element as much doing the
business stuff side of things as I do just going
from race to race. Like, I got that bit down.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And I think that's what people often misunderstand. They say, Oh,
it's so cool you get to drive cars. This episode
highlights one of the busiest times of the year, and
it is normally the time of the year that includes
the least amount of driving, right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, and the uncertainty. I think yeah. Thank you love me.
Thanks for listening to Throttle Therapy. We'll be back next
week with more updates and more overtakes.
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week's episode of Throttle Therapy with as always me Catherine
and You'll never guess what you guys, it's my favorite
time of the month. It is that time of the
month and we have Christina and Nielsen back with us.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hi, babe, Hello everyone, Hello Kat, how are you? I'm good,
even busy. Yeah, it's been a busy few weeks. It's
been insane, but it's all good stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Why don't we start off by updating our listeners with
what's going on in Christina's life, because it's lots of
exciting stuff, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I mean it's a little bit of mixed been
in school from my studies. We're not to say school.
Actually it's supposed to be universities. I think, I don't know,
high higher education. Hi. Everyone, name is Christina. I'm in
for a grade free eight. Yeah. So I've been in school.
(01:15):
I've been on the road with with Porsia Denmark for
a bit as well for some of their events. And yeah,
it's just been ramping up a bit. But go on
a little vacation with the family at the end of
this week, so that'll be nice to get a little
bit of a break. Yeah, what about you? Where are
you going on? Baking Greece? Oh lovely? I have never
been to grees I've been.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Some places around it, but never to Greece or any
of the Greek islands. Actually, so I bless item. Right,
it just looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
What's the weather like over there at the moment? I mean, okay,
I remember I'm European, so Celsius, it's more like twenty
four to twenty five degrees during the day, okay, so
like h eighties. Yeah, fantasting me here. Yeah, let's go
with that. If I just say with conviction, yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I don't know what the conversion rate is anyway. What
have I been up to? So actually that's a little
bit about what I wanted to make this week's topic about.
I have been stressed, a little bit stressed. I have
been working really hard. It is that time of year
where you need to put the jigsaw together and I
don't know whether it's just our industry or whether there
(02:27):
are other people who suffer the same fate, but it
feels very much to me like at this time of
year every year, you are scrambling, you have anxiety, you
are stressed, you're trying to put together a deal for
next year, you're talking to teams. There's rejection involved, there's
like people being.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here, lots of rejection, lots.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Of rejection, trying to find sponsors, trying to do all
the networking and the relationship building and everything that you
can throughout the year, which I honestly find exhausting as well.
Like it's not that I'm not nice person, but I
am more introverted, I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And I think it also goes hand in hand with
people perhaps not always understanding or knowing that it's kind
of a chicken or the egg situation, because if you
are going for sponsors but you want to sign with
the team, you know, it's oh, the sponsor wants to
know do you have the team secured? And the team
(03:23):
is like you have the money, yeah, yeah, exactly. So
it's always a chicken or the egg, which is a
dance that you know, especially the silly season has that
as a part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, and I mean you know it very well as well.
But I just unless you're one of the lucky few
that have landed in a good ride with a multi
year contract or you've got massive personal family wealth and
you just don't have to worry about it, like you
left scrambling, it's like musical chairs almost. So it's it's
pretty hard I think on everybody. I mean, I remember
(03:58):
when we were trying to put to your deals a
few years ago. I mean, I feel like you and
I have been to war together, like it almost one.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Hundred percent underco overcover, like man have been gone through
some I mean it was kind of a beautiful thing
because it was also when we became closer. But it
is such a road to navigate, and I think the
craziest one for us was definitely our little friends excursion
(04:30):
with this Redwood company that sounded very promising, and because
those multi year deals are so rare, and everybody knows
in sports it is very hard to secure sponsorships. I mean,
let's face it, unless you're like Formula one, the rest
has a much tougher time. I'm not saying that Formula
one can't be difficult. Also, but everyone else is. It's
(04:52):
another kind of game. It's another league in terms of
what you need to do to secure sponsors. And I
mean we got put through the ringer with that one company.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I'm gonna let you tell this story because your memory
is so much better than mine.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
No, I was just thinking, can remember everything. I'm going
to help each other.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I remember us giggling our asses off in the hotel
room in France after.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
We realized what happened. Lucky.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Honestly, though we shouldn't have been giggling. We were pretty naive.
We were very hopeful. Hopeful is the word. I mean,
anything could have happened. It was a very dodgy situation.
But before I let you tell the story, I will
say I have PTSD about that Bitcoin, never.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Been touching that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, But I will say sponsorship is a really tricky
thing because if you're trying to sell yourself, it lacks credibility.
If somebody is trying to sell you, they don't really
know all the intricacies, and I think people get caught
in this trap of trying to sell the amount that
the team needs to run the car. So say a
(06:04):
team says we need a million dollars to run this
car for the year. Then you go on looking for
a million dollars, right, but in actuality, that seat, that
advertising on the side of that car, those activations, everything
that you do for a return on investment, and ROI
could maybe only be worth five hundred thousand or it
could be worth.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Two millions exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So it's like, how do you know without some big
conglomerate doing a report on it, like what it's worth.
And so my experience with ELF actually has helped me
to understand how they see an ROI and how that
is kind of captured because it's not just how many
eyeballs saw it. It's like the good faith and the
(06:47):
good will that it provided. And then you know, it
doesn't necessarily if they invest a million bucks in me,
it doesn't mean that they're going to sell a million
bucks worth of profit and get their money back. It
might be more, might be less, but there's other benefits
to it as well. So like trying to explain that
to somebody who doesn't necessarily know racing, and there are
a lot of big companies out there that don't know
(07:08):
racing is tough. I feel like it's not just a
personal services deal, like a lot of sports people do.
It's almost like being an NFL team or a soccer
team or something. You're kind of doing the job that
and a lot of teams do it themselves too, but
it's just there's a lot more intricacies and it's a
lot harder than you would think just sending out proposals.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And also sometimes understanding that maybe a company is open
to doing let's say a trial run. Yeah, we'll give
it a shot, And it's hard sometimes to explain to
them that, okay, well, if you just started a new
company didn't succeed in its first year, there needs to
be an investment period where you actually get to see
(07:54):
if the traction is worth it, just like building up
a company or building up a new relation, and there
are no guarantees, right, and so it's a very very
risky business to navigate and to understand. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And then the more the teams think that you have, oh,
you've got an endless pot of money coming from alf
for drop Light or whoever whatever, then they set their
own kind of like expectations, which is tough too, and
just it's not having the yes or no answers as well,
like a nose sometimes it's just as good as a yes,
(08:31):
because you can move on to the next thing. It
just seems like somebody's up there like leaving you hanging
all the time, and you just can't move forward and
you're stuck pushing this bold rap now.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But also understanding that one thing is the actual money
that's needed for the race team, then you know you
need to be aware of putting money aside for guest suits,
for passes, for lunch, for dinners, for hotel rooms, maybe
travel expenses, maybe two extra golf carts in order to
be able to entertain the VIP clients that are coming
to the races. So you know, it's not just about
(09:06):
the exact amount that the team needs to run. There's
also salaries enrolled, you know the event space. You know
all events cost essentially, maybe you have an agent, they
take ten percent, they take fifteen percent, whatever it might be. Yeah,
there's so many players in this and so many parts
that truly makes these contracts that can become a black
(09:28):
hole in terms of losing the money. So it's super
important to understand everything that needs to be included in
order to actually make sure that you are completely covered.
And that is what makes it snowball sometimes in how
much you need should we get into the story? It
(09:58):
sounds like or just sitting giggling to the room.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What's a weird Okay, yeah, yes, okay, So let's go
back to the start, which is what what year.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Twenty twenty, Yeah, yeah, twenty nineteen, twenty twenteen, yeah, around
them yeah yeah. If I remember correctly, I think it
was actually that a woman was involved on our side
to secure some sponsorships, and I think they actually contacted
her to begin with. And here's the first red flag,
(10:29):
kind of like dating that we should looking in hindsight,
we should have realized, we want to give you twenty
million over the next three years. Yep, right there. There
should have been a red flag. But all we saw,
because it is so hard to secure these deals, we
saw money, We saw a multi year deal, and we
saw opportunity to choose for ourself what we want to
do with the money, with like no commitment to a
(10:51):
specific team, manufacture or anything. And I think it was
something like that. And these guys, through our little WhatsApp
chat ran us through the ringer.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I mean they came from a legit investment firm. Because
we researched this investment firm and.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I was not legit, but they were very good at
making it look legit. Yes, and address in Switzerland. You
look at Google Maps, you can see the building. It
looks legit. You know. We really tried to do our
homework with this one. We did, Yeah, and there was
a website and everything. You know, they built a whole
little universe around this.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Customer reports and like we we heeled into it, you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Know, reviews on Google also, like we we tried to
find everything that we could about this. And you had
a lawyer. We had a lawyer. Yes, that is because
that was when it started to become tricky, because they
wanted to pay us in bigcoin or cryptocurrency at least
(11:56):
whether it's bitcoin or something else cryptocurrency. And you and
I were, you know, on the phone with the banks working.
We set up an account. How do we do this?
You know, we had the lawyer in bold to understand
like transactions, how do we make sure that the money
is cleaned? Were davigatings correctly correct procedure? Yes, made a
company everything, And I mean I can't remember all those
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details other than because the lawyer was specialized in cryptocurrency.
He was obviously our little sniff dog like he was,
you know, sniffing around for all from bullshit, and we
tried to you know, so he was the one asking
the critical questions. And these guys, you know, missed blah
blah blah, was not tolerating this. They got really angry
(12:42):
with those questions, and you know, we retired I'm losing it. Yeah,
that we were like, okay, okay, let's take it easy.
Nobody get mad, Everybody stay calm. I mean when I
said out loud, now I'm like, what the fuck? Oh,
I can't say that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, but I don't know what we're thinking, because if
you look at.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It that we're like we were one kinder egg we
say in Danish, you know, the little trees like you
were in the combination brown on the outside, lawd on
the inside. And so these guys wanted to meet and
do the transaction in persons like we had to sit
(13:25):
with our films on a cryptos Yeah. Yes, And so
the lawyer had instructed us in what to look out for,
what to you know, be aware of.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Because we did smell bullshit a little bit, like we did.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
We just wanted to believe it. Yes we knew, but
we wanted to believe them.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, so we went kind of but we did really
really want it to be true.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yes, Okay, Then we did the friends and we were
supposed to meet them in the in the hotel restaurant
at the airport because there were restrictions because of COVID
of not being able to leave, we could only stay
within our premises from the airport, so we could stay
in the airport hotel. And when they met us in
the restaurant, they showed up with flowers to us. I
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just looked at you and I was like, what is it?
What is this?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, they were some Middle Eastern gentlemen that came with
these big bouquets beautiful flowers.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yes, that's what we got out of it. Flowers. That
was it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
They were supposed to transfer us bitcoin, but they wanted
our phone and we were like no, no, no, no, no,
definitely not giving. We at least made them meet us
in a public place with other people around.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We were only semi idiots. And then there was something
about them seeing the screen and I don't remember exactly
what it was, but the lawyers said, you know, watch
out for the account because now they have the account
number or something, and I was like huh.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then I know, I thought they were going to
like downl all of our phone stuff and commit some
kind of fraud that way or something. I think maybe
they thought that we had money because we were in racing,
or maybe they had done some research and thought, oh,
these girls are be easy.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, there was something about a certain amount of money
that we needed to have in the accounts. That's because
just like we have a percentage that we give to agents,
they wanted that percentage guaranteed for bringing this deal to us.
That's right. So the deal was when they approved the
transfer to be made, they wanted to transfer for their
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percentage fee for the agent bringing the deal to the table.
And yeah, well remembered, Yeah that was it. And then
it turned out to be a scam because I don't
know whether there was like one hundred and thirty dollars
in the account of something.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I just like something I can make it in bitcoin
because back it down and taken yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So yeah, I think they took that. But what's interesting
is obviously we learned after that whole experience. Okay, scam artists.
I remember another driver from the UK right, who had
the exact same experience, and unfortunately that person actually ended
up getting scammed that percentage fee. Yes, that sucks, Yeah,
(16:19):
because they put the money in the account.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
That really sucks. Yeah, I didn't know that. I knew
that they got the same people. But also when it's
an international thing like that, you know, we're we're in
America at the time, you hadn't moved back, and I think,
so we're flying from America to France. They're Middle Eastern,
so they're coming in from I actually don't know where
they were based because they had like Dubai officers, and
(16:45):
they had Swiss officers, and they had UAE officers and
I can't remember what else, and they had like I
think that was was that it? Because they had weird
phone numbers and so I was like doing the area
clodes and they weren't always available. It was a strange situation,
(17:06):
But like, who do you report that to? When it's
on an international level like that, you know it's kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But also when you technically didn't really lose anything of significance, right,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Please arrest them. I almost got scammed. Yeah, yeah, so weird.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
But then anyway, it was just such a weird situation.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So we met them the first time.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
We went back up to hotel room and we were
sat there like I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I don't know what do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And I think We made a few phone calls and
in the end we were like, no, this is definitely
a scam.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And then we both went our respective ways. But I
remember our until the day I die. Remember us on
the bed, giggling our asses off because we had these
flowers and there's these two guys.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Telling us, thinking like, oh, what is wrong with how
we missed? Does this sound familiar to anybody? Please let
us know. We'll make a supporting room.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
But like, we're relatively intelligent, he was. I would say, like,
we're average, Like how.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Did we not? It's so hard to see when you're not.
It's because we're hopeful. We really wanted to believe, Like
this was started saying grace and that's how other people
they pray on the week once and I wouldn't say
we're weak. But we were desperate for money for racing and.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Knew that, and we'd already had like delivery designed and
the team logs.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh, we did so much. They were asking for so
many things. Yeah, I wonder what's going on with them now.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I wonder whether they got COO doing anything or whether
they're out there still traveling around Europe's coming people.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know, I had a thought. I think that do
you know how Netflix have done that? Like the Tinder
swindler and like those kind of things. Yeah, we've become
very good detectives after all the work we've had to
do with those kind of people. I would totally be
on a show where we like put on a you know,
(19:14):
a note to everyone in other sports, like send us
the phone numbers to contact details, the exchanges between all
them scammers and racing, that all the fake companies that
you ever tried to, like where they or if anybody
took money from you, send it to us, like we'll
get to the bottom of it. Yeah, and go after
those people. I would take pleasure in that because I
really think some of it. You know, one thing is
(19:36):
they did it to us. But there might be like
a seventeen year old kid who is thinking, oh my god,
this is the money I can get to go racing,
and they're seventeen, are they really scamming? Like people that
might take out a you know, a loan from their
house or you know, sell something up theirs to just
like afford the little percentage fee to then we're little
(19:59):
depends the amount. If it's twenty million, ten percent of
twenty million's quite a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, but they were so What amazes me about these
people is they were so good at it, right, like
they see, they were so professional.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
If they've done it before, that's what I mean. There
must be other people out there. They must have done
it before, and they must have had success, because otherwise
they wouldn't continue doing it. That's true.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But if they had put that much energy into legitimate
income sources and businesses and stuff like that, then they'd
probably be successful and they wouldn't have to be assholes.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I know, but I guarantee you this is easier.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I think.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, disappointing, and they probably get a kick out of
the power like that they are sitting. You know, remember
when they were rude to us because we were trying
to ask questions that were legitimate questions that were fair
to ask. Then they would still try to make us
feel bad, like if you don't want to make the deal, happen,
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just let us know, or you know, if you're going
to continue like this, We're going to pull the deal.
So they kept putting themselves in a position of power,
and I think they get a kickout lot.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, that's where the psychoanalysis comes in really strong. I
tell you, what do you think we would do if
it happened now with all of our experience behind us.
Do you think we would just laugh them out of
the out of the meeting the first time they speak
to us?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
What do you think we'd still get I have received
a similar emails since, like once every blue moon. I
just ignore it. I'm like, yeah, great, like good job,
great for you not entertaining it. But if I had
the resources to actually catch them, then I would totally
(21:44):
like go after that.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, like a superhero, like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
A Tinders Winter situation that I would totally do. I
feel like that would be fun. I hope we aren't
inspiring any news for me.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So the other interesting storyline I would say, with regards
to sponsorship and team and off season and all of
that stuff, would have been the cat Pillar years, which
is also really interesting. So it started off because I
was coaching this lady in Ferra was it that bikini
(22:33):
or Ferrari, I can't remember. She's like a gentle woman
driver and her name is Jackie, and she was friends
with somebody at Caterpillar, and so she had sold this
all female team I did to Caterpillar, and she was
going to be doing the driving as the as the bronze,
as the gentlewoman driver, and so we tried to get
(22:55):
her ready and up to speed, but she had some
health issues. And I mean I at the time was
Mike Shank, which I still think is probably one of
the best teams I've ever driven for a lot of
time and respect and daddy issues with Mike. I think
we spoke about that before. So we put this team together.
But in all honesty, like we were so far removed.
(23:17):
She was very protective of the relationship with Caterpillar.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Oh it was not allowed to touch it. She was
very paranoid about us doing anything.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
But because of that, I think it was to the
detriment of the program, because we couldn't do anything for them,
so they obviously didn't see what it was going to
do for them, and they weren't happy that we didn't
do them more, which we promised, and all these things
I should say she'd promise. So it was a very
(23:46):
weird kind of middleman situation that we had this wonderful
sponsor that we could have done so many cool things
with and promoted so much, but we had a hands
tie behind her back in a way. And I still
feel like that's the one that got away, because if
we could have had control and done all the cool
stuff with Mike that we were talking about doing at
(24:08):
the time, like that could have been that program could
have been huge. I mean, we were competitive, we weren't
winning races at that time, but we would have and.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That was the investment piece I talked about earlier. Yeah,
year one would have been the investment. Year two I
think would have been a very strong year, but unfortunately
we didn't go further. And I also understand Jackie's paranoia
because let's face it, how many times have we not tried,
you know, other people trying to steal other people's sponsors. Yeah,
it's a part of the paduct unfortunately, so you are
(24:39):
very protective. But I think to the extent that she
was with us, who was a part of the team,
we were the same all wanted to see this move forward.
I do think and agree that that was limiting the
story we could create.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, it was unfortunate because we had so many great
ideas of what we could do with that, and it
really was kind of a program that was before its time,
and we were like the Iron Dames before the Iron
Dames were a thing. Yeah, But honestly, that was just
a weird situation as well, because then I haven't heard
from her and forever have you nothing? No, So so strange.
(25:18):
It's been years, Yeah, so strange. Yeah, It's weird how
programs come and go and racing and people think that
they're gonna be the next big thing and then it
choose them up and spits them out. It's a really
really tough business.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, if people get forgotten easily. I mean when it's
the last time we talked about Jackie years ago, years, Yeah, exactly.
It is sometimes crazy how people can be so invested.
They are so much a part of your I wouldn't
say daily, but a lot of days throughout the year
because you're in a race team together one day by yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, Well it's like a boyfriend to our husband that
you then break up with and then they're a stranger again.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It still blows my mind how that worked.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Like you were you knew everything intimately about this person,
and if they're like a stranger to you know, it's
the same I'm racing. Same with teams, you know, you
like you're with a team for two three years. If
you're lucky at time, and you basically do go to
war with these people, you know, you like, Okay, that
might be a big extreme. Don't come at me, people,
(26:26):
because I do understand that war is a lot more,
a lot more difficult and hardcore than going racing, but
it's it's still a challenge and a battle, and you
know you're giving it one hundred and ten percent and
in a way you are prepared to go out there
and hurt yourself because you know the dangers. So in
a way, you are committing your entire life to this
(26:50):
group of people. And then you know, a couple of
years later, they're all kind of random again.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, so bizarre. I mean, the only thing that makes
us aware of what's going on in their life to
some extent of social media.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean there's a few that I stayed friends with,
Like the people that you click with and you stay
friends with, then you you know, even if you don't
talk to them that often. Like I've got crew members
and stuff that will send the occasional message when we
see something on Instagram or like hey I'm here or
doing that. I was just thinking of you. I hope
you're doing well, kind of deal. Like I've made a
lot of friends along the way as well, but just
(27:29):
the majority. I'll give you an example, the mspadic now
to us, even though we've only been out of it
for like a couple of years, it would feel like
a very strange place walking back into it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I know, that's sad.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It was our entire life.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And so many new faces. Yeah now, and it's crazy
to see how many new faces have appeared. Yeah, it
makes it feel like a lifetime ago. I know, right.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I mean I still want to do Daytaona though. Wouldn't
it be cool you come back over and we'll do
in twenty or so?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Would always be cool? Would you want to? I don't know.
I think it depends on the setup.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, So say it was like a super good team
and you could go testing before the row.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah that that that's what I mean with the setup,
Like there needs to be some testing and stuff before.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But you would still have the desire to do it
if everything was in the right place, just like on
a one off basis, maybe maybe maybe I would absolutely yeah,
because I love it. But I often think about some
of the things that I've done or I want to do,
like the trade off, for example, Like you're going to
(28:37):
have to invest a bunch of time into making yourself
competitive and ready and everything to do this. What's it
for long term wise? Is it just for your ego?
Is it for creating another string to your bow for
your watch?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh, for the for the road. Absolutely watch, it's a
special one.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, But like I think about that with regards to Okay,
if somebody said, do you want to do the chili
bowl again?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
For example, Yeah, like good example.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I don't know that what I get out of it
is good enough for what you put into it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, So I think it's an evaluation process. I'd see
we're maturing where when we were seventeen, we would have
ripped somebody's arm off for the experience. Like, Yeah, this
time of year definitely makes me sit back and think
about all the different things a lot more as well,
all the psyche behind it, because you're not just in
the like going from race to race, doing race prep stuff,
(29:35):
so you know, going to the shop, going to drive
the sim writing reports, dost. Yeah, you kind of just
kind of get into a rhythm with it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, and then your in survival mode exactly. Yeah, but
now I have but.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't have anxiety when I'm in When I'm in
that mode, I'm kind of I'm in my element in
a way, yeah, because I just keep going. And then
so when this hits and I'm trying to trying to
persuade teams to take a chance on me and trying
to put them the sponsors in place, and or with
that goes or the activation and all the business stuff
(30:13):
behind it and the agents and the YadA YadA YadA
like that to me is way more stressful because I
do not feel in my element as much doing the
business stuff side of things as I do just going
from race to race. Like, I got that bit down.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And I think that's what people often misunderstand. They say, Oh,
it's so cool you get to drive cars. This episode
highlights one of the busiest times of the year, and
it is normally the time of the year that includes
the least amount of driving, right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, and the uncertainty. I think yeah. Thank you love me.
Thanks for listening to Throttle Therapy. We'll be back next
week with more updates and more overtakes.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
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Speaker 1 (31:03):
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