January 21, 2026 • 56 mins
In this episode of TMI, the discussion centers around celebrating Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy, focusing particularly on the fight Coretta Scott King led to establish his national holiday. The conversation explores the importance of carrying Dr. King's torch and the ongoing struggle for civil rights. Tamika and Mysonne address the problematic view of Dr. King being romanticized and his radical messages diluted. They share frustrations about how the system manipulates social justice messages and the constant battle against oppression. Highlighting Peace Week in NYC, they acknowledge various organizations dedicated to violence prevention. The impact of the Trump administration's actions on vulnerable communities is discussed in-depth, emphasizing the necessity for visible resistance and civic engagement. The episode also touches on toxic behaviors admired in leaders by some and the broader implications of staying informed and engaged in current socio-political issues.
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how you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm blessed on this beautiful day. How you feeling good?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And happy King Week? We celebrate Doctor King all week.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
All month, all quarter, all year, every day all day,
but this is a special week between his birthday and
the national holiday.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I got a call from Reverend Stephen Green.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
He said to me, thought about it, it's super radical
that doctor King has his own holiday, Like wow, you know,
and I think that's so true that he has a holiday.
And it didn't come easy. It was a fight that
Coreta Scott King, you know, really was adamant.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
She was serious about it, She was intentional, and.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
She worked really hard alongside a lot of other people
to get that holiday established.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And you know, I think that Doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
King's birthday and his national federal holiday represents a carrying
of the torch. He carried the torch of others and
we're carrying the torch. I'm not saying that we are
Doctor King in no way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
In fact, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Would never claim to be anybody else. Actually we are
just who we are. But nevertheless, the work that he
was doing in matters. It's significant, and I'm just proud
to be walking in the tradition and celebrating him on
this holiday.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I definitely agree. You know, you know the thing that
really bothers it is two things that actually bother me.
I think me and you had a conversation the other
day on the actual holiday, and you was talking about
you went to see if we had to pay the
meters and they said it's not a bit enough.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
National holiday, and yeah, that's what it said.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now I didn't even understand, Like what does that even mean?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Like it said it said that it's not Let's go
back and look because I want to read exactly what
this thing said when I went to see if I
have to pay the meters. It says on Google, yes,
you must pay parking meters in New York City on
Martin Luther.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
King Junior Day.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Because while alternate side parking, which is street cleaning rules
are suspended, regular meeting regulation, regular meter regulations remain in
effect as MLK Day isn't a major legal holiday.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't even know what that means. Like to me,
that that's that's crazy work right there. You know, people
fought to get the holiday, and it's not a major
legal holiday, like you said, so many people fought, you know,
I just recently found out that the Stevie Wonders song
was about Doctor King's birthday, the Happy Birthdays song that
we always sing. I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
You never ever tell Core masses Bury that you just
found out.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So yeah, it's not that I just found out. It's
just a couple of years after I've been singing the
song over and over that it was actually about King's birthday,
you know, and I'm making it a national holiday, so
you know, that's Those are the two things that came
to mind when I thought about it. And then also
the how they like to romanticize Doctor King, right, like
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he wasn't a radical leader, Like he didn't say he
was tired of marching, Like he didn't say we coming
next time you see us, were coming to get our check.
You know. His daughter always speaks on this day. I
heard us have a real good speech today and she
was talking about how our president said that the Civil
Rights Actor sixty four did harm to white men, right,
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you know, And she dispelled that myth eloquently, as she
always does, and she always Doctor Burnee King, yes, and
she always speaks about how the same people that speak
and celebrate him today and post his words and put
the memes up didn't even support him when he was alive.
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You know, this government said he was one of the
most dangerous men in alive. They had him on the
list of one of the most dangerous men in the world.
So those things, for me, it's like they want to
take away the fact that doctor King actually was fighting
against this system, the American structure, and fighting against the
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way it oppressed black people. And they give you this
dream and they always talk about white men and black
pep all these people together, and they don't give you
none of the backstory. They don't give you the other three,
you know, speeches he said prior to that or after that.
They don't give you none of those things. And to me,
it's like, no, that man fought, literally was fighting, you know,
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he died. When he died, he was one of the
most hated men in the world. And y'all always celebrate
us the fighters after you want to say that we
stopped fighting after we you know, we no longer hear
and you want to celebrate the easy and the calm times,
but you don't want to celebrate the real fight. So
I don't like that part. So I always try to
utilize my platform, my voice to speak that doctor King
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was actually a civil rights fighter.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, he was a fighter, and he was also, I believe,
a radical. He had a radical imagination of what could be.
You know, I'm if I would consider it, though, to
be romanticized. While I understand precisely what you're saying, I
think it's more of an attempt to dilute his message.
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And it's not just doctor King's words and his work
that is being diluted and manipulated. It is also scripture, right,
It's also God's message of.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Justice and righteousness.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
All of those things are being manipulated. Religion is being manipulated.
It has forever and ever, and in this moment it
is a resurgence, if you will, or at least a
very public, a very forward facing effort to take religion
and to return to a different time in history where
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religion was used to oppress people, to make people believe
that it is okay to humble yourself from the Master,
to accept whatever the Master dishes out, and to be
okay with enslavement and again oppression. And so we see
so much of that happen, and I guess there are
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some people who will say that's not new and it
isn't right. We know that it's always been through our
history where religion and just the Bible in general, the
scripture in general, has been used against people who are
considered to be more vulnerable, whether it be women or
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people of color, or in this case, we're dealing with
white men who are attempting to use scripture as a
way to help to sort of make people accept what
we see happening around us. And I truly do think
that that's what is happening with doctor King's words.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But to your point, doctor Vernee King.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
As well as those of us who understand doctor King's message,
have a very clear responsibility to sound the alarm, to
speak the truth, to never ever ever back down or
allow people to shift what he was truly saying or
what he was really about. And I'm, you know, committed
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to it, and I know that you are as well.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
All the time, man so definitely rest in peace, Doctor King.
Your message and your true message you know of unity
and how we had to fight to get uni injustice
and equity is definitely one that we should all share.
So I think days like this a lot of us
who know the message, share one of those more radical speeches.
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We know that I had a dream, and it's definitely
a beautiful speech, but share one of the more radical ones.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I have a dream, sir it if not I had,
he was very alive and he was saying he is
having the dream in the moment.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But God blessed Doctor King. I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's a radical moment for truth, reconciliation and also to
expose the places that people think that we are unaware
or that we are somehow duped by the mystification of
the good marketing manipulation that they are using on us.
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We will not be swathed. Speaking of doctor King, January
fifteenth is his actual birthday, and on January fifteenth every
year for sixteen years, it marks the beginning of something
in New York City called Peace Week. Peace Week is
an effort that again sixteen years ago Erica Ford at
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Mitchell Erika Ford of Life Camp in Queens, but also
a global leader around violence prevention and intervention at Mitchell,
who is a general, if you will, in this struggle
to keep our community safe, training men and women all
over the nation to stand up in their communities and
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to deal with our youth to be the public safety
officers where we don't necessarily have to rely so much
on police, but we can rely on ourselves and rely
on our own intellect, intelligence and compassion. He's been doing
that work forever. Erica's been doing her work forever. And
of course Russell Simmons was there at the very beginning
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sixteen years ago. I was there, you know, little old me,
when Peace Week was formed. And the purpose of this
week is to elevate the cause of violence prevention and
intervention in New York City. And all week there are
different efforts. People have events. There's a press conference that
kicks off the beginning of Peace Week, and then after
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which time you have a variety of activities happening all
over the city where different groups violence prevention groups who
are located in all five boroughs are posting activities, trainings.
Other people join in that may not be in the
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crisis management system, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
They may not have an actual.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Funded site to do work around violence prevention, but they
believe in the work and they have extended themselves for
years and years to participate in the Peace Week activities.
And so I just want to say to all of those,
I don't want to get myself in trouble for trying
to name groups, trying to name King of King's Foundation,
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trying to name see, I'm already getting in trouble, Guns Down,
Life Up. I mean, there's so many groups that were
yeah s sos. Of course at Man UP is his organization,
and there's a number of others Elite.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Release the Grip exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
There's so many organizations that do this work every single day,
and these groups are.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Putting their lives on the line.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And I think I'm that child, not another child Soresa exactly,
And I think every single day these groups are putting
their lives on the line, and a lot of people
in our city don't know. So when you hear now
may Or Mum Donnie and his police Commissioner Jessica Tish
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and others talking about the violence prevention and the murder
rate dropping so low, the lowest in history. You also
heard on his way out Eric Adams touting that you know,
he had one of the safest years in history in
terms of murders and violent incidents in New York. When
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you hear that those things are great, we want that
like that's that is precisely what we work towards every day.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Where some of our.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Officials drop the ball is to mention that the NYPD,
while they have a role, they are not the main force,
if you will, on the rank defense right on the
I'm saying on the ground now, I'm I'm not talking
about intelligence and gang intervention and things that they may
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be doing that we never get to see.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, we actually do gang intervention as.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Well, right well, no, I'm sorry, I'm meant to say
gang intelligence. Right, so intelligence and it's still I mean
even that there is some of that work that goes
on within the crisis management system, right But I'm saying
that they do have systems in place and budgets and
people who can do research and investigations in a different
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way than folks who are hand in hand. But I
know that if you stop one violent incident from happening
in any community, that one incident will probably stop another
fifteen to twenty and possibly murders and violence for years
and years and years to come. They are beefts that
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started many years ago, fifteen, twenty thirty years ago in
a community that's still going on today where the grandfather
had beef with the people from the building across the way,
and they still beefing. And what these folks in CMS
do is to go get to the root cause of
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it and try to stop it before it is something
that you know, that is uncontrollable and a toxic, you know,
toxic situation for our community. So shout out to the
whole family of the crisis management system of New York City.
Happy Peace Week, and God blessed that there will be
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sixteen more years and then sixteen after that, and then
we will turns over to our young people a city
that's better than the one that we had to fight
to get to today.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's always to go. And as we speak of peace,
we go on to shout out at who had me
do a Peace Week event for him the other day.
You know, he had a documentary screening in the city
and it was a beautiful event, and it was a
beautiful documentary. It's called Still We Rise, Healing Beyond Gun
Violence and We had a small panel afterwards, but you know,
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it just showed, you know, different cities. They spoke about
how we had our event in Atlantic City where people
pulled up for peace, and it was different violence interrupters
and crisis management system individuals from all over the country
that came out there, and it spoke about that, and
it had some different individuals from different states and their
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interaction and them trying to model, you know, or followed
the model that we've set in the crisis managing system,
crisis management system. They're trying to follow the model that
we set in the crisis management system in New York City,
and it just shows the different intricate parts and people
who've lost their lives and just entered into this world.
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It just shows how this work has been traveling and
how much it's really needed. So shout out to AT
and everyone that was there. The whole crisis management system
came and showed love beautiful VET.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Absolutely people we love AT love it, love our brother
God bless me. All right, So let me get to
my thought of the day today. I'm gonna try to
make this a succinct as possible because it's like fifty
different ideas that came to me in one thought that
I need to say, and I know people are gonna
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think that I'm completely out of my mind to bring
up something again today that went on for weeks and
weeks and weeks, and everybody said, why are we still
talking about this?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Don't give it any more attention, And I agree we shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But I was really reflecting on the last few weeks
as we see the Trump administration escalating its crimes against humanity, literally,
crimes against humanity, corruption, criminal activities, in my opinion, are
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taking place not just in the US, but happening across
the world, and our government is at the center of it,
all right, And as we see that happening, and I
was sitting back thinking, Wow, over the last few weeks,
I wonder have we moved any closer to this fight
that I know needs to happen. And let me start
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off by just addressing people in my comments section who.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And not just a comment section, because a couple of
people called me.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Saying I don't think that we need to Black people
need to be running to the front line of the
fight and getting out there getting ourselves killed. In fact,
I saw a woman writ in my comments and I
wrote something back to her. Then I just deleted it
because I said to myself, when two people are arguing
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and folks, this is my mama used to tell me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
When two people are arguing and.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Folks take a look, they don't know which one is
right wrong, which one is the fool, and which one
is not.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
They have no idea, So both of you look like
a fool.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So I said to myself, for me to sit here
and go back and forth in this long diatribe trying
to explain what I'm saying to this individual who maybe
they don't know, maybe they're purposely trying not to know,
it was a waste of my time.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, it's a waste of my time.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But the person wrote, are you out of your mind
that you would ask our people to go out there
on the front line and get ourselves killed.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Why would you ask us to do that?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
What I said last week on our show was that
we as black people must fight back and we need
to be visible in that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Perhaps it is my fault.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Because visible to people only means one thing.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Because visible for people.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And maybe because they know that we are protesters, we
be out there in a protest in a march in
a ray organizing those types of efforts, and they watched
us do it so much in the past that they
may be believing that when we say we have to
be visibly in this struggle, that we have to fight back,
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that they think that I mean go out there to
a march and be on the front line of the march.
Mind you, not one time have any of these people
seen me leading a march in the last however long,
what has it been. It's been a while since I
organized and led a march and said, oh, I want
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everybody to show up to it.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That has not been the case. I want people to.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Broaden their mind right, to broaden their ability to understand
the complexities and also the great things about our movement
that is intersectional and it gives you the opportunity to
join in many different ways. So when I say that
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we as black people have to have a visible expression
of our fight against this system, what I mean is.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Withdraw your money, stop spending your money.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Make sure that they are able to look at the
numbers and say black people have stopped spending their money.
Why because neighborhoods that we know are frequented or stores
in neighborhoods that we know are frequented by black people.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
They have stopped purchasing in these places.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
We know that the numbers on certain things, certain products,
certain activities have gone down because and we are sure
that black folks were our number one customer consumers in
these areas. What I mean when I say that we're
going to have to be visible and we can't sit
this out, is that we can't ignore it to the
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point that we just keep allowing people to tell us
that has nothing to do with us.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
We said, DEI had everything.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
To do with black people, and then folks are, oh, no, no, no,
we looked at the numbers, it has nothing to do
with us, and then guess what. Over three hundred thousand
and now we heard last week Representative Ayana Presley talking
about millions of women, millions of women who have been
impacted by the attacks on diversity, equity, and inclusion, and
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she didn't say it was In fact, she said if
it was white women, we would hear much more about
this crisis. But because it is black women specifically Black
women specifically, there is not much to do at all
across this nation about what is happening to us and
what will eventually be a serious economic disadvantage and dismantling
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of our communities. And so when we just keep allowing
people to tell us this has nothing to do with you.
Now we have ice age throwing flash bombs under the
car of a family that was in a community right
throwing a flash bomb under the car, and a small baby,
an infant baby was harmed.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
The baby almost died. The baby has seizures.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And lost consciousness, and the mother had to give the
child CPR.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
These were black people. You know what, Keith Porter, the black.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Man who in California they say is some people say
that he was shooting in the air. If we're gonna
go with that, that's fine, But an off duty ice
agent approaches him and shoots him to death, and all
the witnesses and people around say that he did nothing
to that officer. He was out celebrating New Year's the
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way that they do all the time. He was not
the only person. There were a number of people who
were in the same community doing the same thing. And
this off duty ice agent who came out and presented
himself as law enforcement or as a police officer, if
you will, shot this man and killed him.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So guess what, And I could go on, I.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Could go on with a number of incidents that have
happened where black people. A black man was shot in
the leg in Minneapolis the other day, and what people
are saying as well, that has nothing to do So
the black baby has nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
To do with you.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Oh maybe she should have locked herself in the house.
Maybe the family should not have been out traveling from
one place to the next, and they should have locked
themselves in their home to avoid this type of behavior
that the ICE agents are running while Lucy Goosey doing
whatever they want. They are unhinged in communities where people
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are living, where families are trying to go about their
everyday lives, and we're sitting up here talking about it
has nothing to do with us. To me, that's very
scary because, as I said last week, what happens is
that things just escalate, and what they are watching is
to see do you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Think it has anything to you?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Do you believe that this is not your issue so
much so that you will go in your house, lock
your doors, stay out the way, don't fight, don't say anything,
And the next thing you know, they will come up
with something else that can happen to you.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And we believe that at that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Point, oh maybe we could go and fight, But at
that point it will be too late, So don't spend
your money.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It is possible, very possible, that in the near future
there will be people calling for a general strike. Are
you going to be involved?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Are you going to be willing to stay home from
work to say I must, I must stand up and
speak out and show my physical resistance to what is
happening in this nation. So no, you don't have to
go out there and protest and get shot or killed
or whatever could put potentially happen. You can do a
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whole lot of other things that will be as visible,
it will be as powerful.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But to do nothing, to say nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
There are so many celebrities who thought it was okay,
I guess in the past to speak up.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And I'm talking about people I know well who.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Are saying absolutely nothing. They're not saying a word. I
don't know if they're afraid. Maybe some of them are
quietly Trump supporters, and I just don't know about it,
but literally saying nothing. And maybe it's fear, maybe it's
just people are a lat concern. Whatever it is, I
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am sounding the alarm because I want the record to
show I am like Claire Huxtable in The Cosby Show
when she said I want the record to reflect that
some of us were sounding the alarm from now to
say that everything that's happened and then is our fight,
because we live here and what comes for them eventually
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comes for us. And I won't even say eventually, because
it is happening now.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
And you can go ask the mother of a.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Small baby who was tear gased whether or not they
are black enough to be considered the issue of black people.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Maybe not for you, but it certainly is for me.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yes, it's really sad here and that that's kind of
like something I was saying before. I don't know how
we got divided in certain ways, you know, I do
know it's because there's a conscious effort to have some
of us jaded, to divide us by different sex, by
different colors, by different races, by different ethnicities, languages. They
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want to divide us because unified, they can't. They don't
have any way of beating us in anything or controlling us.
So they have systematically set out to divide us. And
that division is where you see on these social sites
where people are either saying nothing or telling you you
should stay home and let them immigrants deal with that
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and let the white people deal with that, and that
ain't the person. That ain't our issue. You know. It's
always like that. We said it all the time. First
they come to get you, and you said, I didn't
say nothing because you know, they ain't come for me.
And then by the time they come for you, there's
nobody there to help you. You know. We have to
understand that the devil's trick. They use the same playbook
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over and over, and we can't keep phoning for the
same playbook. We just we have to do a lot better,
we really do, because it's very it's disheartening. Like you
said that, there isn't a sense of urgency, you know,
and because these are urgent situations that we're literally dealing
in the most urgent times that I've ever seen, Like
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these are the only times that I've been alive that
right now as we speak, my child has less rights
than I have, you know, and I've never seen that before.
And anybody trying to tell me different doesn't know what
they're talking about. So I think we need to be Yes,
we definitely need to be strategic, because, like I say,
all the time. I'm not interested in moral victories at
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this point. I'm not trying to go out there, be
on the front line and die and you know, you're
a martyr and you twenty something and your kids don't
got nothing and they no, No, I'm talking about how
do we strategically engage and win right? How do we
strategically plan and look at say this is what we
need to be doing. This is how we need to
be organized, This is how we need to be together,
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unified in approach, even if it's intersectional, you know, because
all of us do not do the same thing. So
I don't expect anyone to do it with me, or
you may do, but I need them to do something
that could actually help. If you make, like we said,
if you make the sandwiches during the march or the rallies,
or if you're not gonna make the sandwich, if you
know how to tweet, you know that's the thing, If
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you know whatever, you know how to do. We need
you to lend your best hand to this work in
this moment.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Absolutely absolutely so. I left.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I completely got away from my thought of the day
because that wasn't it. But that needed to be said
because I was watching a few people and I thought
about engaging, and I was like, I'm not going to engage,
and so, you know, I just wanted to talk about
that because it was just important to me.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
But my thought of the day again going.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Back to an issue that was to never be discussed again,
and here I come bringing it back up, and that
is the issue of doctor carry Bryant's dress, Jamal Bryant's
wife's dress at dress gade. Now stick with me, because
if you hear that, if you're Dowanna Thompson or one
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of our friends, you like, I can't believe this girl
is doing this, Like what do you talking about? Last Sunday,
two white men, I believe, but definitely one white man that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
We saw on video.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Showed up at Jamal Bryant's church screaming and yelling, heeckling,
walking around, disturbing the service, disturbing the people walking around
the building, calling him evil, and just using a bunch
of very to me triggering and scary language and and and.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And body movements. Right.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Not violent that I could see in the videos that
I've seen and also in the conversations that I've had
with people, but it was very I don't know, scary movie.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's very scary movie. Have you ever watched one of those.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Movies where there's an old white man who has a
bible in his hand and he's like walking around where
the enslaved people are or just you know, it's like
klu klux klannish type of thing, but without the sheep
he's walking around, he's doing all the time. I couldn't
tell you what that man's name is. I have no idea.
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I have no idea what his name is. I know
I saw and in fact, I saw a video that
said the girls are fighting, and they were referencing like
the white pastor and Jamal Bryant. I don't think they
were trying to say like they're girls. That's just a yeah,
and that's just you know, a saying. This particular blog
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that posted that saying the girls are fighting actually thought
this was funny.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And if you ask, most.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
People who were involved in dress Gate, who wrote think
pieces and posted.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Videos went down.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
To the Mama's house in the Grandmama's house to pull
out what the church ladies used to look like and
gave their full analysis of all the reasons why doctor
Bryant should or should not have won that dress. And moreover,
a man who claims to be a pastor and his
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cackling wife who sat up there and calls this woman
carried Bryant out of her name. No matter what they
try to say, that's what the pastor did.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Does anybody have a clip of him talking about what
happened at this church this week where this white man
was running around in the church screaming and hollering about
the church being evil?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Is going to be shut down?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I mean straight ku klux klansmen behavior.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Did anybody post that is on the shade room? Is
it on?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Are there think pieces out here where people are diving
into the danger of a white man walking into a
church and threatening a pastor with his body language, with
his voice, interrupting the service?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Did anybody talk about it? Right?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Did anybody talk about it? Because guess what Dressgate? Three
four weeks we done been all the way to national TV,
the National TV, the blogs have found the outfit, told
you all about what the dress looks like. People have
asked to get the dress. Folks have put the dress on.
They have wanted either to show one thing or the other.
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They have analyzed everything about that, and yet a man walked.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Into the same church, the same church, well.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Actually not the same church, because she wasn't ask the church,
but we ain't deliberating that walked into the church where
this family is located, where they are worshiping during the service,
and threatened that church family. And guess what, I ain't
seen a blog right about it yet. And the one
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blog that did talk about it said, the girls are fighting,
as if the situation is a joke where we have
seen white people walk into churches yell and scream and
shoot and kill people and you heard nothing. Now, let's
compare that to the situation that happened in Minneapolis this
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past weekend where Don Lemon was covering people protesting at
a church. I ain't never seen Don Lemon protesting himself anywhere.
I've always and maybe when he was younger, and I
just don't know about it. I'm saying I've not seen it, right,
I've not witnessed it. I've always known him to be
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a journalist.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So he was at the ch.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Church filming and covering people who were protesting. And guess what, them, folks,
that ain't our issue. It's not your problem. It's got
nothing to do with me. This ain't our issue. We're
not involved with that. Guess what now the United States
government is talking about trying to figure out how to
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charge him with the ku Klux Klan charge, which, by
the way, another incident happened in another church last week
and ain't done nothing about that. But because of this
incident in Minneapolis, they're trying to charge him using a
law that was established because of the tyranny that black
people faced by the the KKK, and they are trying
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to use that against the black man during the week of.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Doctor King's birthday and his remembrance.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
That's why I say you ain't ready if you had
five hundred pages to write and videos and explanations and
insults and everything else, and then you go on those
same people's pages and those same blogs and nowhere can
you find this and somebody will say, well, I didn't
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see it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You know why you didn't see it, because that is
what they want.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
They want you to know about that dress more than
they want you to know about your life. And so
while it has nothing to do with you, guess what
else didn't have nothing to do with you. That dress
had nothing to do with you, But even though that
didn't have anything to do with you didn't have to
wear it. It ain't your pastor, it ain't the first lady,
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it's not your husband's not your guidance, your body, it's
none of that.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You knew to talk more about that than you do
to talk.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
About the fact that the white man is running around
at the church and ain't nobody charged him with nothing
that I know of, and I think I would know.
But don lemon Okay is now potentially facing a law
and a charge that was established to protect black people
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from a racist, bite supremacist organization or group that terrorized,
murdered our people. And Nicki minajen is up in the
middle of this. But today I already gone went back
to one thing that they gonna say, Why did I
go back to that? So I ain't gonna go back
to Nicki minaj too, because I told y'all from the
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minute the second the second that she walked into the
United Nations and it came up for my feed, I
told y'all, right then, what was going on? The people
argued me down. They went on every post I anywhere.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
My face was.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
On the whole internet, and they wrote things about me
they said I was a hater and I was all
of this and that. But guess what, that didn't happen
on the second go round when she went and did
the Turning Point USA event with Erika kurtz Oh, I
didn't see many people writing anything.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
It may have been one, but for the most part,
there was a whole.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Lot of silence because what I said is what I meant,
and I said what was right and it was proven.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And now this black woman is.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Over here trying to she's over here compounding this idea
that Don Lemon should be charged for covering, not for
screaming and yelling. Nobody got them on tape like the
white man last week. But guess what Nicki Minaj says
he should be charged.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I ain't gonna go into all of that, but I
just want to tell.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
You you focused on the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's our biggest problem right now, that we are not
focusing on the things that really needs to.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Be from some of us, some of us, I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I'm just saying as an overall group, it's not I
can't say some. I'm just saying we are not as
focused as we should be. You know, even the some
of us are because some of us who actually are
feel like we stifled because it's like, is the energy
Do the people actually know what's going on? Should we
be doing more? But it's like the people are not
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giving you the energy. Be I tell people all the time,
when it's about protests, when it's about marchin, it's about
standing up whatever it is it, we have to gauge
that by the people. We don't create no rallies. We
don't know when the people called for it and they
said they fed up. We know how to utilize our
voices in our platforms to unite all the people that
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feel the same way. And that's what we do. We
don't create no rallies. We don't create no more. We
don't create the outrage. The outrage is created by these people,
these individuals who are intentionally trying to harm our people,
you know. So that's what it is. That's why I said,
I just don't feel like we already right now we
don't have this sense of urgency, but we actually need
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to have the sense of urgency. We talk about address,
we don't address the white man that's inside the church.
It's hilarious to me. And we talk about don don
Lemon because it wasn't for a lot of stuff would
be going on that you don't see behind these scenes.
And when you actually hear him speak to some of
these people, some of the racist people, some of the
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people who are out there on the ground, who you know,
have seen what's going on, you get a real understanding.
We need journalism that speaks to let our people know
what's going on, and they don't want that. They want
our people not to be informed. They want them to
be able to give us, you know, these fake ass
talking points and the same spill and ice is going
(40:24):
after the rapist, this and that and that same old
bullshit that we know is not true, you know, And
it's keep on parrot in the same talking points over
and over. No, and people like Don Lemon make it
impossible for them to keep lying to us.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And by the way, there's been times when I didn't
agree with Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So this ain't God. This is not a love fest.
Although I do.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Watch Don Lemon's commentary and I find him to be
really deeply engaged, Like he goes outside and he gets
in the world with the issues with the peace people
and brings the voices of the people to the forefront.
I actually think he's doing a much better job doing
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this work than being on TV, where he you know,
in some ways his voice is stifled because that's just
the nature of you working for other people.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
He's working for himself.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I pray that he's making money, you know, where he can,
you don't actualize his dreams and grow and flourish and
be bigger and do much more than he's even cading.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
You just have freedom.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Because they gave him some money.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
He had got paid, Okay, So I ain't say ain't
got no money.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I'm just saying I pray that he's able to.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Continue to pour into his business and create a scenario
or a situation where he can put other people on
I see Monique Presley often on his show, and he's
you know, allowing her to use his platform, very similar
to what Roland Martin did. Roland Martin is respond possible
for many of the black people that we see as
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commentators on the daily news, you know, the news on
CNN on MSNBC, because he allowed many of us to
come on his show to talk about various issues. So I, I,
you know, so, I but I just want to say
that because I don't want somebody be like, oh, but
but you was mad at Don for saying.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
X y Z.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I probably wasn't.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
He probably was mad at me for saying or doing
something as well. But this what's happening here.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Is not right. It is not right.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And to your point, address or we can address which
one do we want to do?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
And you know and and and I know that.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Again it's an inconvenient topic, but it's necessary to help
draw the parallels so that people can see how we
find ourselves.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I get it.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Some of it is just the act of resistance that
we're so tired of always having to fight that we
would rather just deal with something that's off topic. I
do it all the time. I'm watching a good Netflix show.
So right now, not answering my phone, not return to
anybody's phone call, not even.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Checking my text messages.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Ain't been on social media that much in two days
because I need that. But I also I might not
be on social media, but I read the newspaper today.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I have to. I have to.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
That is very important to me that I keep up
with what's going on in the news.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So that's the deal. That's my thought of the day today.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I don't know maybe I should sum it up and
just saying my thought of the day today to sum
it up is that we say that we don't want
to be involved with things that have nothing to do
with us, but we're very involved with things that have
nothing to do with us. Christy dam get divorced. We
all involved the dress Gate, We're all involved. But when
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it comes to things that will impact our children and
our children's children, some of us are sleeping at the
will and we better wake up.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
And that brings me to my I don't get it.
You know, we're dealing with so many different things and
we and we're trying to stay abreast and understand everything
that's going on in this country. But America is out here,
America and they're doing some ship that I never seen before.
You know, for me, I don't get it. I just
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don't understand. How do we have a president that is
so hell bent on getting the Nobel Peace Prize while
doing everything that's not peaceful. You talking about taking over countries?
You don't. You don't bomb the place, you don't kidnap people,
you don't you still talking about I hear ships is
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on on around I ran right now, like, how do
you expect Why do you why are you so invested
in this Nobel Peace Prize when you're not doing nothing
that's peaceful. You know. The lady for Venezuela gave him
her Nobel Peace Medal, you know, as a sign of whatever,
you know. You know, Trump got his own stuff going on,
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and he takes a picture with it and the no
Mal Peace Prize. People respond and say that, you know,
the Nobel Peace Prize is not transferable, so you know,
like we gave her that piece. I yes, yes, they
made a whole response that say it's not transferable, So, yes,
we gave her that award. We're very strategic and we
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make sure that the person who we give that award
to we believe deserves it, you know. So that's that's
what they came out and said. And it's just so
weird to me. It's like, why why are you so
invested in something that you're not even trying to earn? Actually,
you know, And it just goes to the narcissism and
the psychoticness of this president. I just don't every time
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I'm watching him, I'm just so confused at the way
his mind is not working. Because some people will say
with the way his mind works. I just feel like
his mind is just not working. You're doing it.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Wants a title, he wants a title, He wants the title.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You don't want you don't
want to do the work necessary. You know, you don't
want to be peaceful. You don't want to come out
here and treat people like human beings. You don't want
to have levels of decency, but you want all of
these awards for peace. It's just confusing to me. It
is the weirdest shit. I know, I say that all
the time, but it's also it is I mean, it's
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actually the way that shit I just don't understand. Like
every day, every day, this Nobel Peace Prize keeps coming up,
and he's he's, you know, forcing other countries to give
him some metal for peace and all the shit, and
it's just like, what, like this is like we really
live it in the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, though I think, ooh, I'm about to say something
that's gonna get me in so much trouble. But hey,
when we we I have I have been one to
deliberate internally on the idea of toxic masculinity for a
long time. Because I've heard men, especially black men who
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I respect, say masculinity is not toxic. But I've also
heard black men who are very much in tune with
with with masculinity and toxicity talk about why it can
be right. And so I am I pause to use
the language because I'm not a man and I and
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I and I want to honor that there is a
tension in me. So once I know that that tension
is there, I feel like I need to honor it
and to maybe explore a different way to express what
it is that I feel.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
But there are a lot of men that I know,
some family members who love Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
They love him regardless of what he may be doing.
They're not even they don't again, it ain't got nothing to.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Do with them. They don't have you know, they don't,
they don't.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
They are They're infatuated with Donald Trump and what he represents.
And I think that that is a form of toxic
masculinity that there are people. And I'm talking about black
folks because I know white people got their own issues,
but I know Black men who love themselves some Donald Trump.
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And part of it is that they have a mindset
that you don't have to respect women's bodies. You can
just take it if that's what you want. They have
a mindset of war violence. They have a mindset of
disrespecting people, calling women out their names.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Miss Piggy and or Piggy or whatever he says.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
The things that he does that to them is a
model of what they would like to be.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
They would like to go about life.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Disrespecting, harming, and abusing women un unchecked. And that's why
they just they love him, and that is part of
what I can I can say, as I said, the
tension causes me not to use the toxic masculinity title
because while I may understand it, I don't always feel
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comfortable using it when I listen to some of the
brothers around me talk about how.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
It makes them feel right.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
And so I just feel like I don't got to
use the language right because I can find another way
to describe the I can find another way to describe
the toxic behavior that I don't like or don't.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Appreciate, or that has harmed me.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
But in this situation, I can clearly see examples of
his attitudes and his behavior, and some of the black
men that I know who love themselves some Donald Trump
and guess what. They may not be doing it on
a presidential level and on an international level and on
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a billionaires billionaires level, but within their own lives they
are perpetuating some of the same exact behavior as this
man because that's what they like, and that's what they
think is the right thing, or not even the right
thing to do, this is the cool thing to do.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Well. I will agree that there are a lot of
men who you know, and it's surprisingly black men who
identify with Donald Trump right and see some level of
strength in it. And it's actually confusing to me. I
don't like the term toxic masculinity because I believe I
represent masculinity to the fullest, and I don't think masculinity
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has anything to do with imposing on people that you
feel are weaker than you physically, emotionally, mentally. Any masculine
man wants to protect those type of individuals, right, Nobody
wants to see No masculine man wants to harm a woman.
No masculine man wants to impose hisself on someone, And
that's weaknd right, And most masculine men don't even see
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that as something that they identify. If we will have
any conflict. It would be with someone that we feel
is either equal or may have give us some level
of a challenge. So that's not masculinity. I think that's
toxic maleness because I think the physicality of a man
right the maleness. But there's nothing masculine about that. I
think it's patriarchy. I think it's toxic. I think it's
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toxic patriarchy if you want to call it toxic maleness.
But I don't think anything any man that has any
level of masculinity sees anything strong about somebody like Donald Trump.
He's actually one of the weakest individuals I've ever seen,
because I know in certain situations, you know, he wouldn't
he would not be able to survive in a jungle.
He would not be able to survive. He wouldn't even
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without certain you know, protocols and systems set up for
where he's protected. He wouldn't even be man to man
with someone face to face that he felt like. You
know that he couldn't, couldn't win a conflict with every
man that he's around who he deems as more masculine.
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You always see him cow child. So there's nothing masculine
about Donald Trump, you know, everything about him is weakness,
and it's what it does. It shows me that there
are men who who who thrive on weakness, who only
are able to thrive in weakness. There's no men that
I've been in rooms with who are strong Black men,
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who are who I know can handle themselves in every situation,
sees anything strong about Donald Trump. So yeah, I definitely
understand that there are a lot of men that identify that.
But it's not it's not masculinity, you know, I think,
and they might be good people, they might be kind
of strong, but I think that they have some level
of insecurities within themselves that makes them feel like they
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can only impose their will or feel strong amongst people
that they feel a weaker or they can take advantage of.
But it's not masculinity to me.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Something to ponder, and I won't try to delve too
far into it because I think there are other people
who have studied it and who could speak to it
much better. And I start my intention to sit here
and pontificate and you know, talk about something I don't know, No,
talk about something that is not my expertise, because I
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do know, but it's.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Not my expertise.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
But I do think that it's something to be said
about why so many women and so many black women
feel unsafe.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
It's weakness. It's not masculinity at all. I'm telling you,
I think it's it's weak mail meet weak mail syndrome.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Coming up with.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Oh, what's our term? We said we were going to
start using Trump delusion syndrome. That's right, it's really that,
it's really.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
It really is, because I've really every day I just
see something weaker about Donald Trump. I see another liar's
sold I just show it just shows how everything about
him is like the man. The men that I was
around my whole life, they didn't teach me to look
at somebody like Donald Trump with some level of admiration.
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There's nothing about him that I could look and see
any level of admiration. You know, there are people who
who gravitate and they glorify possessions, you know, and and
and for years to quote unquote Trump having money with
something that people talked about, but in no other realm
on anything that I ever see any strength of in Trump,
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like you know, I just never I never seen him
stand next to a man that I respected him like yo.
You know, he looks like he's supposed to be there. No,
he always looks like he don't know why he even
in rooms with men of and you know, Statue Maii
was in the room with him, and he was enamored
by the man he's supposed to be the president. You
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know what I'm saying. Anytime he's around someone who carries
themselves like a man was sure he always is the
lower He's the lowest hanging food in.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Every room, yep, and always trying to prove himself.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Or he's just a clown.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, he's like a group any anybody with success, because he.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Sure ain't done nothing with yet. But but Yahoo is
a lot like him today.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Man, he don't talk like that to the president of
a career. Okay, he hint that the president of Korea
and put In are two people. I don't really see
him talking too crazy here and there. He tried to
act like he's gonna do something, but he don't be
doing nothing. But that now Yahoo him. They both look
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like too big fools every time they get together.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Just anyway, good night.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
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And happy King Week? We celebrate Doctor King all week.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
All month, all quarter, all year, every day all day,
but this is a special week between his birthday and
the national holiday.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I got a call from Reverend Stephen Green.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
He said to me, thought about it, it's super radical
that doctor King has his own holiday, Like wow, you know,
and I think that's so true that he has a holiday.
And it didn't come easy. It was a fight that
Coreta Scott King, you know, really was adamant.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
She was serious about it, She was intentional, and.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
She worked really hard alongside a lot of other people
to get that holiday established.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And you know, I think that Doctor.
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King's birthday and his national federal holiday represents a carrying
of the torch. He carried the torch of others and
we're carrying the torch. I'm not saying that we are
Doctor King in no way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
In fact, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Would never claim to be anybody else. Actually we are
just who we are. But nevertheless, the work that he
was doing in matters. It's significant, and I'm just proud
to be walking in the tradition and celebrating him on
this holiday.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I definitely agree. You know, you know the thing that
really bothers it is two things that actually bother me.
I think me and you had a conversation the other
day on the actual holiday, and you was talking about
you went to see if we had to pay the
meters and they said it's not a bit enough.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
National holiday, and yeah, that's what it said.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now I didn't even understand, Like what does that even mean?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Like it said it said that it's not Let's go
back and look because I want to read exactly what
this thing said when I went to see if I
have to pay the meters. It says on Google, yes,
you must pay parking meters in New York City on
Martin Luther.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
King Junior Day.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Because while alternate side parking, which is street cleaning rules
are suspended, regular meeting regulation, regular meter regulations remain in
effect as MLK Day isn't a major legal holiday.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't even know what that means. Like to me,
that that's that's crazy work right there. You know, people
fought to get the holiday, and it's not a major
legal holiday, like you said, so many people fought, you know,
I just recently found out that the Stevie Wonders song
was about Doctor King's birthday, the Happy Birthdays song that
we always sing. I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
You never ever tell Core masses Bury that you just
found out.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So yeah, it's not that I just found out. It's
just a couple of years after I've been singing the
song over and over that it was actually about King's birthday,
you know, and I'm making it a national holiday, so
you know, that's Those are the two things that came
to mind when I thought about it. And then also
the how they like to romanticize Doctor King, right, like
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he wasn't a radical leader, Like he didn't say he
was tired of marching, Like he didn't say we coming
next time you see us, were coming to get our check.
You know. His daughter always speaks on this day. I
heard us have a real good speech today and she
was talking about how our president said that the Civil
Rights Actor sixty four did harm to white men, right,
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you know, And she dispelled that myth eloquently, as she
always does, and she always Doctor Burnee King, yes, and
she always speaks about how the same people that speak
and celebrate him today and post his words and put
the memes up didn't even support him when he was alive.
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You know, this government said he was one of the
most dangerous men in alive. They had him on the
list of one of the most dangerous men in the world.
So those things, for me, it's like they want to
take away the fact that doctor King actually was fighting
against this system, the American structure, and fighting against the
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way it oppressed black people. And they give you this
dream and they always talk about white men and black
pep all these people together, and they don't give you
none of the backstory. They don't give you the other three,
you know, speeches he said prior to that or after that.
They don't give you none of those things. And to me,
it's like, no, that man fought, literally was fighting, you know,
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he died. When he died, he was one of the
most hated men in the world. And y'all always celebrate
us the fighters after you want to say that we
stopped fighting after we you know, we no longer hear
and you want to celebrate the easy and the calm times,
but you don't want to celebrate the real fight. So
I don't like that part. So I always try to
utilize my platform, my voice to speak that doctor King
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was actually a civil rights fighter.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, he was a fighter, and he was also, I believe,
a radical. He had a radical imagination of what could be.
You know, I'm if I would consider it, though, to
be romanticized. While I understand precisely what you're saying, I
think it's more of an attempt to dilute his message.
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And it's not just doctor King's words and his work
that is being diluted and manipulated. It is also scripture, right,
It's also God's message of.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Justice and righteousness.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
All of those things are being manipulated. Religion is being manipulated.
It has forever and ever, and in this moment it
is a resurgence, if you will, or at least a
very public, a very forward facing effort to take religion
and to return to a different time in history where
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religion was used to oppress people, to make people believe
that it is okay to humble yourself from the Master,
to accept whatever the Master dishes out, and to be
okay with enslavement and again oppression. And so we see
so much of that happen, and I guess there are
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some people who will say that's not new and it
isn't right. We know that it's always been through our
history where religion and just the Bible in general, the
scripture in general, has been used against people who are
considered to be more vulnerable, whether it be women or
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people of color, or in this case, we're dealing with
white men who are attempting to use scripture as a
way to help to sort of make people accept what
we see happening around us. And I truly do think
that that's what is happening with doctor King's words.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But to your point, doctor Vernee King.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
As well as those of us who understand doctor King's message,
have a very clear responsibility to sound the alarm, to
speak the truth, to never ever ever back down or
allow people to shift what he was truly saying or
what he was really about. And I'm, you know, committed
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to it, and I know that you are as well.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
All the time, man so definitely rest in peace, Doctor King.
Your message and your true message you know of unity
and how we had to fight to get uni injustice
and equity is definitely one that we should all share.
So I think days like this a lot of us
who know the message, share one of those more radical speeches.
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We know that I had a dream, and it's definitely
a beautiful speech, but share one of the more radical ones.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I have a dream, sir it if not I had,
he was very alive and he was saying he is
having the dream in the moment.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But God blessed Doctor King. I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's a radical moment for truth, reconciliation and also to
expose the places that people think that we are unaware
or that we are somehow duped by the mystification of
the good marketing manipulation that they are using on us.
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We will not be swathed. Speaking of doctor King, January
fifteenth is his actual birthday, and on January fifteenth every
year for sixteen years, it marks the beginning of something
in New York City called Peace Week. Peace Week is
an effort that again sixteen years ago Erica Ford at
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Mitchell Erika Ford of Life Camp in Queens, but also
a global leader around violence prevention and intervention at Mitchell,
who is a general, if you will, in this struggle
to keep our community safe, training men and women all
over the nation to stand up in their communities and
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to deal with our youth to be the public safety
officers where we don't necessarily have to rely so much
on police, but we can rely on ourselves and rely
on our own intellect, intelligence and compassion. He's been doing
that work forever. Erica's been doing her work forever. And
of course Russell Simmons was there at the very beginning
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sixteen years ago. I was there, you know, little old me,
when Peace Week was formed. And the purpose of this
week is to elevate the cause of violence prevention and
intervention in New York City. And all week there are
different efforts. People have events. There's a press conference that
kicks off the beginning of Peace Week, and then after
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which time you have a variety of activities happening all
over the city where different groups violence prevention groups who
are located in all five boroughs are posting activities, trainings.
Other people join in that may not be in the
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crisis management system, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
They may not have an actual.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Funded site to do work around violence prevention, but they
believe in the work and they have extended themselves for
years and years to participate in the Peace Week activities.
And so I just want to say to all of those,
I don't want to get myself in trouble for trying
to name groups, trying to name King of King's Foundation,
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trying to name see, I'm already getting in trouble, Guns Down,
Life Up. I mean, there's so many groups that were
yeah s sos. Of course at Man UP is his organization,
and there's a number of others Elite.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Release the Grip exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
There's so many organizations that do this work every single day,
and these groups are.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Putting their lives on the line.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And I think I'm that child, not another child Soresa exactly,
And I think every single day these groups are putting
their lives on the line, and a lot of people
in our city don't know. So when you hear now
may Or Mum Donnie and his police Commissioner Jessica Tish
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and others talking about the violence prevention and the murder
rate dropping so low, the lowest in history. You also
heard on his way out Eric Adams touting that you know,
he had one of the safest years in history in
terms of murders and violent incidents in New York. When
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you hear that those things are great, we want that
like that's that is precisely what we work towards every day.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Where some of our.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Officials drop the ball is to mention that the NYPD,
while they have a role, they are not the main force,
if you will, on the rank defense right on the
I'm saying on the ground now, I'm I'm not talking
about intelligence and gang intervention and things that they may
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be doing that we never get to see.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, we actually do gang intervention as.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Well, right well, no, I'm sorry, I'm meant to say
gang intelligence. Right, so intelligence and it's still I mean
even that there is some of that work that goes
on within the crisis management system, right But I'm saying
that they do have systems in place and budgets and
people who can do research and investigations in a different
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way than folks who are hand in hand. But I
know that if you stop one violent incident from happening
in any community, that one incident will probably stop another
fifteen to twenty and possibly murders and violence for years
and years and years to come. They are beefts that
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started many years ago, fifteen, twenty thirty years ago in
a community that's still going on today where the grandfather
had beef with the people from the building across the way,
and they still beefing. And what these folks in CMS
do is to go get to the root cause of
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it and try to stop it before it is something
that you know, that is uncontrollable and a toxic, you know,
toxic situation for our community. So shout out to the
whole family of the crisis management system of New York City.
Happy Peace Week, and God blessed that there will be
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sixteen more years and then sixteen after that, and then
we will turns over to our young people a city
that's better than the one that we had to fight
to get to today.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's always to go. And as we speak of peace,
we go on to shout out at who had me
do a Peace Week event for him the other day.
You know, he had a documentary screening in the city
and it was a beautiful event, and it was a
beautiful documentary. It's called Still We Rise, Healing Beyond Gun
Violence and We had a small panel afterwards, but you know,
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it just showed, you know, different cities. They spoke about
how we had our event in Atlantic City where people
pulled up for peace, and it was different violence interrupters
and crisis management system individuals from all over the country
that came out there, and it spoke about that, and
it had some different individuals from different states and their
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interaction and them trying to model, you know, or followed
the model that we've set in the crisis managing system,
crisis management system. They're trying to follow the model that
we set in the crisis management system in New York City,
and it just shows the different intricate parts and people
who've lost their lives and just entered into this world.
(15:50):
It just shows how this work has been traveling and
how much it's really needed. So shout out to AT
and everyone that was there. The whole crisis management system
came and showed love beautiful VET.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Absolutely people we love AT love it, love our brother
God bless me. All right, So let me get to
my thought of the day today. I'm gonna try to
make this a succinct as possible because it's like fifty
different ideas that came to me in one thought that
I need to say, and I know people are gonna
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think that I'm completely out of my mind to bring
up something again today that went on for weeks and
weeks and weeks, and everybody said, why are we still
talking about this?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Don't give it any more attention, And I agree we shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But I was really reflecting on the last few weeks
as we see the Trump administration escalating its crimes against humanity, literally,
crimes against humanity, corruption, criminal activities, in my opinion, are
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taking place not just in the US, but happening across
the world, and our government is at the center of it,
all right, And as we see that happening, and I
was sitting back thinking, Wow, over the last few weeks,
I wonder have we moved any closer to this fight
that I know needs to happen. And let me start
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off by just addressing people in my comments section who.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And not just a comment section, because a couple of
people called me.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Saying I don't think that we need to Black people
need to be running to the front line of the
fight and getting out there getting ourselves killed. In fact,
I saw a woman writ in my comments and I
wrote something back to her. Then I just deleted it
because I said to myself, when two people are arguing
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and folks, this is my mama used to tell me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
When two people are arguing and.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Folks take a look, they don't know which one is
right wrong, which one is the fool, and which one
is not.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
They have no idea, So both of you look like
a fool.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So I said to myself, for me to sit here
and go back and forth in this long diatribe trying
to explain what I'm saying to this individual who maybe
they don't know, maybe they're purposely trying not to know,
it was a waste of my time.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, it's a waste of my time.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But the person wrote, are you out of your mind
that you would ask our people to go out there
on the front line and get ourselves killed.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Why would you ask us to do that?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
What I said last week on our show was that
we as black people must fight back and we need
to be visible in that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Perhaps it is my fault.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Because visible to people only means one thing.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Because visible for people.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And maybe because they know that we are protesters, we
be out there in a protest in a march in
a ray organizing those types of efforts, and they watched
us do it so much in the past that they
may be believing that when we say we have to
be visibly in this struggle, that we have to fight back,
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that they think that I mean go out there to
a march and be on the front line of the march.
Mind you, not one time have any of these people
seen me leading a march in the last however long,
what has it been. It's been a while since I
organized and led a march and said, oh, I want
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everybody to show up to it.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That has not been the case. I want people to.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Broaden their mind right, to broaden their ability to understand
the complexities and also the great things about our movement
that is intersectional and it gives you the opportunity to
join in many different ways. So when I say that
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we as black people have to have a visible expression
of our fight against this system, what I mean is.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Withdraw your money, stop spending your money.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Make sure that they are able to look at the
numbers and say black people have stopped spending their money.
Why because neighborhoods that we know are frequented or stores
in neighborhoods that we know are frequented by black people.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
They have stopped purchasing in these places.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
We know that the numbers on certain things, certain products,
certain activities have gone down because and we are sure
that black folks were our number one customer consumers in
these areas. What I mean when I say that we're
going to have to be visible and we can't sit
this out, is that we can't ignore it to the
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point that we just keep allowing people to tell us
that has nothing to do with us.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
We said, DEI had everything.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
To do with black people, and then folks are, oh, no, no, no,
we looked at the numbers, it has nothing to do
with us, and then guess what. Over three hundred thousand
and now we heard last week Representative Ayana Presley talking
about millions of women, millions of women who have been
impacted by the attacks on diversity, equity, and inclusion, and
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she didn't say it was In fact, she said if
it was white women, we would hear much more about
this crisis. But because it is black women specifically Black
women specifically, there is not much to do at all
across this nation about what is happening to us and
what will eventually be a serious economic disadvantage and dismantling
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of our communities. And so when we just keep allowing
people to tell us this has nothing to do with you.
Now we have ice age throwing flash bombs under the
car of a family that was in a community right
throwing a flash bomb under the car, and a small baby,
an infant baby was harmed.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
The baby almost died. The baby has seizures.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And lost consciousness, and the mother had to give the
child CPR.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
These were black people. You know what, Keith Porter, the black.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Man who in California they say is some people say
that he was shooting in the air. If we're gonna
go with that, that's fine, But an off duty ice
agent approaches him and shoots him to death, and all
the witnesses and people around say that he did nothing
to that officer. He was out celebrating New Year's the
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way that they do all the time. He was not
the only person. There were a number of people who
were in the same community doing the same thing. And
this off duty ice agent who came out and presented
himself as law enforcement or as a police officer, if
you will, shot this man and killed him.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So guess what, And I could go on, I.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Could go on with a number of incidents that have
happened where black people. A black man was shot in
the leg in Minneapolis the other day, and what people
are saying as well, that has nothing to do So
the black baby has nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
To do with you.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Oh maybe she should have locked herself in the house.
Maybe the family should not have been out traveling from
one place to the next, and they should have locked
themselves in their home to avoid this type of behavior
that the ICE agents are running while Lucy Goosey doing
whatever they want. They are unhinged in communities where people
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are living, where families are trying to go about their
everyday lives, and we're sitting up here talking about it
has nothing to do with us. To me, that's very
scary because, as I said last week, what happens is
that things just escalate, and what they are watching is
to see do you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Think it has anything to you?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Do you believe that this is not your issue so
much so that you will go in your house, lock
your doors, stay out the way, don't fight, don't say anything,
And the next thing you know, they will come up
with something else that can happen to you.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And we believe that at that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Point, oh maybe we could go and fight, But at
that point it will be too late, So don't spend
your money.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It is possible, very possible, that in the near future
there will be people calling for a general strike. Are
you going to be involved?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Are you going to be willing to stay home from
work to say I must, I must stand up and
speak out and show my physical resistance to what is
happening in this nation. So no, you don't have to
go out there and protest and get shot or killed
or whatever could put potentially happen. You can do a
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whole lot of other things that will be as visible,
it will be as powerful.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But to do nothing, to say nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
There are so many celebrities who thought it was okay,
I guess in the past to speak up.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And I'm talking about people I know well who.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Are saying absolutely nothing. They're not saying a word. I
don't know if they're afraid. Maybe some of them are
quietly Trump supporters, and I just don't know about it,
but literally saying nothing. And maybe it's fear, maybe it's
just people are a lat concern. Whatever it is, I
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am sounding the alarm because I want the record to
show I am like Claire Huxtable in The Cosby Show
when she said I want the record to reflect that
some of us were sounding the alarm from now to
say that everything that's happened and then is our fight,
because we live here and what comes for them eventually
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comes for us. And I won't even say eventually, because
it is happening now.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
And you can go ask the mother of a.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Small baby who was tear gased whether or not they
are black enough to be considered the issue of black people.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Maybe not for you, but it certainly is for me.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yes, it's really sad here and that that's kind of
like something I was saying before. I don't know how
we got divided in certain ways, you know, I do
know it's because there's a conscious effort to have some
of us jaded, to divide us by different sex, by
different colors, by different races, by different ethnicities, languages. They
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want to divide us because unified, they can't. They don't
have any way of beating us in anything or controlling us.
So they have systematically set out to divide us. And
that division is where you see on these social sites
where people are either saying nothing or telling you you
should stay home and let them immigrants deal with that
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and let the white people deal with that, and that
ain't the person. That ain't our issue. You know. It's
always like that. We said it all the time. First
they come to get you, and you said, I didn't
say nothing because you know, they ain't come for me.
And then by the time they come for you, there's
nobody there to help you. You know. We have to
understand that the devil's trick. They use the same playbook
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over and over, and we can't keep phoning for the
same playbook. We just we have to do a lot better,
we really do, because it's very it's disheartening. Like you
said that, there isn't a sense of urgency, you know,
and because these are urgent situations that we're literally dealing
in the most urgent times that I've ever seen, Like
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these are the only times that I've been alive that
right now as we speak, my child has less rights
than I have, you know, and I've never seen that before.
And anybody trying to tell me different doesn't know what
they're talking about. So I think we need to be Yes,
we definitely need to be strategic, because, like I say,
all the time. I'm not interested in moral victories at
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this point. I'm not trying to go out there, be
on the front line and die and you know, you're
a martyr and you twenty something and your kids don't
got nothing and they no, No, I'm talking about how
do we strategically engage and win right? How do we
strategically plan and look at say this is what we
need to be doing. This is how we need to
be organized, This is how we need to be together,
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unified in approach, even if it's intersectional, you know, because
all of us do not do the same thing. So
I don't expect anyone to do it with me, or
you may do, but I need them to do something
that could actually help. If you make, like we said,
if you make the sandwiches during the march or the rallies,
or if you're not gonna make the sandwich, if you
know how to tweet, you know that's the thing, If
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you know whatever, you know how to do. We need
you to lend your best hand to this work in
this moment.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Absolutely absolutely so. I left.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I completely got away from my thought of the day
because that wasn't it. But that needed to be said
because I was watching a few people and I thought
about engaging, and I was like, I'm not going to engage,
and so, you know, I just wanted to talk about
that because it was just important to me.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
But my thought of the day again going.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Back to an issue that was to never be discussed again,
and here I come bringing it back up, and that
is the issue of doctor carry Bryant's dress, Jamal Bryant's
wife's dress at dress gade. Now stick with me, because
if you hear that, if you're Dowanna Thompson or one
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of our friends, you like, I can't believe this girl
is doing this, Like what do you talking about? Last Sunday,
two white men, I believe, but definitely one white man that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
We saw on video.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Showed up at Jamal Bryant's church screaming and yelling, heeckling,
walking around, disturbing the service, disturbing the people walking around
the building, calling him evil, and just using a bunch
of very to me triggering and scary language and and and.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And body movements. Right.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Not violent that I could see in the videos that
I've seen and also in the conversations that I've had
with people, but it was very I don't know, scary movie.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's very scary movie. Have you ever watched one of those.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Movies where there's an old white man who has a
bible in his hand and he's like walking around where
the enslaved people are or just you know, it's like
klu klux klannish type of thing, but without the sheep
he's walking around, he's doing all the time. I couldn't
tell you what that man's name is. I have no idea.
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I have no idea what his name is. I know
I saw and in fact, I saw a video that
said the girls are fighting, and they were referencing like
the white pastor and Jamal Bryant. I don't think they
were trying to say like they're girls. That's just a yeah,
and that's just you know, a saying. This particular blog
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that posted that saying the girls are fighting actually thought
this was funny.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And if you ask, most.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
People who were involved in dress Gate, who wrote think
pieces and posted.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Videos went down.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
To the Mama's house in the Grandmama's house to pull
out what the church ladies used to look like and
gave their full analysis of all the reasons why doctor
Bryant should or should not have won that dress. And moreover,
a man who claims to be a pastor and his
(32:24):
cackling wife who sat up there and calls this woman
carried Bryant out of her name. No matter what they
try to say, that's what the pastor did.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Does anybody have a clip of him talking about what
happened at this church this week where this white man
was running around in the church screaming and hollering about
the church being evil?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Is going to be shut down?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I mean straight ku klux klansmen behavior.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Did anybody post that is on the shade room? Is
it on?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Are there think pieces out here where people are diving
into the danger of a white man walking into a
church and threatening a pastor with his body language, with
his voice, interrupting the service?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Did anybody talk about it? Right?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Did anybody talk about it? Because guess what Dressgate? Three
four weeks we done been all the way to national TV,
the National TV, the blogs have found the outfit, told
you all about what the dress looks like. People have
asked to get the dress. Folks have put the dress on.
They have wanted either to show one thing or the other.
(33:46):
They have analyzed everything about that, and yet a man walked.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Into the same church, the same church, well.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Actually not the same church, because she wasn't ask the church,
but we ain't deliberating that walked into the church where
this family is located, where they are worshiping during the service,
and threatened that church family. And guess what, I ain't
seen a blog right about it yet. And the one
(34:15):
blog that did talk about it said, the girls are fighting,
as if the situation is a joke where we have
seen white people walk into churches yell and scream and
shoot and kill people and you heard nothing. Now, let's
compare that to the situation that happened in Minneapolis this
(34:37):
past weekend where Don Lemon was covering people protesting at
a church. I ain't never seen Don Lemon protesting himself anywhere.
I've always and maybe when he was younger, and I
just don't know about it. I'm saying I've not seen it, right,
I've not witnessed it. I've always known him to be
(34:58):
a journalist.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So he was at the ch.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Church filming and covering people who were protesting. And guess what, them, folks,
that ain't our issue. It's not your problem. It's got
nothing to do with me. This ain't our issue. We're
not involved with that. Guess what now the United States
government is talking about trying to figure out how to
(35:22):
charge him with the ku Klux Klan charge, which, by
the way, another incident happened in another church last week
and ain't done nothing about that. But because of this
incident in Minneapolis, they're trying to charge him using a
law that was established because of the tyranny that black
people faced by the the KKK, and they are trying
(35:42):
to use that against the black man during the week of.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Doctor King's birthday and his remembrance.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
That's why I say you ain't ready if you had
five hundred pages to write and videos and explanations and
insults and everything else, and then you go on those
same people's pages and those same blogs and nowhere can
you find this and somebody will say, well, I didn't
(36:13):
see it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You know why you didn't see it, because that is
what they want.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
They want you to know about that dress more than
they want you to know about your life. And so
while it has nothing to do with you, guess what
else didn't have nothing to do with you. That dress
had nothing to do with you, But even though that
didn't have anything to do with you didn't have to
wear it. It ain't your pastor, it ain't the first lady,
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it's not your husband's not your guidance, your body, it's
none of that.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You knew to talk more about that than you do
to talk.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
About the fact that the white man is running around
at the church and ain't nobody charged him with nothing
that I know of, and I think I would know.
But don lemon Okay is now potentially facing a law
and a charge that was established to protect black people
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from a racist, bite supremacist organization or group that terrorized,
murdered our people. And Nicki minajen is up in the
middle of this. But today I already gone went back
to one thing that they gonna say, Why did I
go back to that? So I ain't gonna go back
to Nicki minaj too, because I told y'all from the
(37:26):
minute the second the second that she walked into the
United Nations and it came up for my feed, I
told y'all, right then, what was going on? The people
argued me down. They went on every post I anywhere.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
My face was.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
On the whole internet, and they wrote things about me
they said I was a hater and I was all
of this and that. But guess what, that didn't happen
on the second go round when she went and did
the Turning Point USA event with Erika kurtz Oh, I
didn't see many people writing anything.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
It may have been one, but for the most part,
there was a whole.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Lot of silence because what I said is what I meant,
and I said what was right and it was proven.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And now this black woman is.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Over here trying to she's over here compounding this idea
that Don Lemon should be charged for covering, not for
screaming and yelling. Nobody got them on tape like the
white man last week. But guess what Nicki Minaj says
he should be charged.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I ain't gonna go into all of that, but I
just want to tell.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
You you focused on the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's our biggest problem right now, that we are not
focusing on the things that really needs to.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Be from some of us, some of us, I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I'm just saying as an overall group, it's not I
can't say some. I'm just saying we are not as
focused as we should be. You know, even the some
of us are because some of us who actually are
feel like we stifled because it's like, is the energy
Do the people actually know what's going on? Should we
be doing more? But it's like the people are not
(39:00):
giving you the energy. Be I tell people all the time,
when it's about protests, when it's about marchin, it's about
standing up whatever it is it, we have to gauge
that by the people. We don't create no rallies. We
don't know when the people called for it and they
said they fed up. We know how to utilize our
voices in our platforms to unite all the people that
(39:20):
feel the same way. And that's what we do. We
don't create no rallies. We don't create no more. We
don't create the outrage. The outrage is created by these people,
these individuals who are intentionally trying to harm our people,
you know. So that's what it is. That's why I said,
I just don't feel like we already right now we
don't have this sense of urgency, but we actually need
(39:41):
to have the sense of urgency. We talk about address,
we don't address the white man that's inside the church.
It's hilarious to me. And we talk about don don
Lemon because it wasn't for a lot of stuff would
be going on that you don't see behind these scenes.
And when you actually hear him speak to some of
these people, some of the racist people, some of the
(40:02):
people who are out there on the ground, who you know,
have seen what's going on, you get a real understanding.
We need journalism that speaks to let our people know
what's going on, and they don't want that. They want
our people not to be informed. They want them to
be able to give us, you know, these fake ass
talking points and the same spill and ice is going
(40:24):
after the rapist, this and that and that same old
bullshit that we know is not true, you know, And
it's keep on parrot in the same talking points over
and over. No, and people like Don Lemon make it
impossible for them to keep lying to us.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And by the way, there's been times when I didn't
agree with Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So this ain't God. This is not a love fest.
Although I do.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Watch Don Lemon's commentary and I find him to be
really deeply engaged, Like he goes outside and he gets
in the world with the issues with the peace people
and brings the voices of the people to the forefront.
I actually think he's doing a much better job doing
(41:07):
this work than being on TV, where he you know,
in some ways his voice is stifled because that's just
the nature of you working for other people.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
He's working for himself.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I pray that he's making money, you know, where he can,
you don't actualize his dreams and grow and flourish and
be bigger and do much more than he's even cading.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
You just have freedom.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Because they gave him some money.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
He had got paid, Okay, So I ain't say ain't
got no money.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I'm just saying I pray that he's able to.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Continue to pour into his business and create a scenario
or a situation where he can put other people on
I see Monique Presley often on his show, and he's
you know, allowing her to use his platform, very similar
to what Roland Martin did. Roland Martin is respond possible
for many of the black people that we see as
(42:03):
commentators on the daily news, you know, the news on
CNN on MSNBC, because he allowed many of us to
come on his show to talk about various issues. So I, I,
you know, so, I but I just want to say
that because I don't want somebody be like, oh, but
but you was mad at Don for saying.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
X y Z.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I probably wasn't.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
He probably was mad at me for saying or doing
something as well. But this what's happening here.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Is not right. It is not right.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And to your point, address or we can address which
one do we want to do?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
And you know and and and I know that.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Again it's an inconvenient topic, but it's necessary to help
draw the parallels so that people can see how we
find ourselves.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I get it.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Some of it is just the act of resistance that
we're so tired of always having to fight that we
would rather just deal with something that's off topic. I
do it all the time. I'm watching a good Netflix show.
So right now, not answering my phone, not return to
anybody's phone call, not even.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Checking my text messages.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Ain't been on social media that much in two days
because I need that. But I also I might not
be on social media, but I read the newspaper today.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I have to. I have to.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
That is very important to me that I keep up
with what's going on in the news.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So that's the deal. That's my thought of the day today.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I don't know maybe I should sum it up and
just saying my thought of the day today to sum
it up is that we say that we don't want
to be involved with things that have nothing to do
with us, but we're very involved with things that have
nothing to do with us. Christy dam get divorced. We
all involved the dress Gate, We're all involved. But when
(43:48):
it comes to things that will impact our children and
our children's children, some of us are sleeping at the
will and we better wake up.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
And that brings me to my I don't get it.
You know, we're dealing with so many different things and
we and we're trying to stay abreast and understand everything
that's going on in this country. But America is out here,
America and they're doing some ship that I never seen before.
You know, for me, I don't get it. I just
(44:17):
don't understand. How do we have a president that is
so hell bent on getting the Nobel Peace Prize while
doing everything that's not peaceful. You talking about taking over countries?
You don't. You don't bomb the place, you don't kidnap people,
you don't you still talking about I hear ships is
(44:39):
on on around I ran right now, like, how do
you expect Why do you why are you so invested
in this Nobel Peace Prize when you're not doing nothing
that's peaceful. You know. The lady for Venezuela gave him
her Nobel Peace Medal, you know, as a sign of whatever,
you know. You know, Trump got his own stuff going on,
(45:02):
and he takes a picture with it and the no
Mal Peace Prize. People respond and say that, you know,
the Nobel Peace Prize is not transferable, so you know,
like we gave her that piece. I yes, yes, they
made a whole response that say it's not transferable, So, yes,
we gave her that award. We're very strategic and we
(45:25):
make sure that the person who we give that award
to we believe deserves it, you know. So that's that's
what they came out and said. And it's just so
weird to me. It's like, why why are you so
invested in something that you're not even trying to earn? Actually,
you know, And it just goes to the narcissism and
the psychoticness of this president. I just don't every time
(45:47):
I'm watching him, I'm just so confused at the way
his mind is not working. Because some people will say
with the way his mind works. I just feel like
his mind is just not working. You're doing it.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Wants a title, he wants a title, He wants the title.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You don't want you don't
want to do the work necessary. You know, you don't
want to be peaceful. You don't want to come out
here and treat people like human beings. You don't want
to have levels of decency, but you want all of
these awards for peace. It's just confusing to me. It
is the weirdest shit. I know, I say that all
the time, but it's also it is I mean, it's
(46:24):
actually the way that shit I just don't understand. Like
every day, every day, this Nobel Peace Prize keeps coming up,
and he's he's, you know, forcing other countries to give
him some metal for peace and all the shit, and
it's just like, what, like this is like we really
live it in the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, though I think, ooh, I'm about to say something
that's gonna get me in so much trouble. But hey,
when we we I have I have been one to
deliberate internally on the idea of toxic masculinity for a
long time. Because I've heard men, especially black men who
(47:07):
I respect, say masculinity is not toxic. But I've also
heard black men who are very much in tune with
with with masculinity and toxicity talk about why it can
be right. And so I am I pause to use
the language because I'm not a man and I and
(47:30):
I and I want to honor that there is a
tension in me. So once I know that that tension
is there, I feel like I need to honor it
and to maybe explore a different way to express what
it is that I feel.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
But there are a lot of men that I know,
some family members who love Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
They love him regardless of what he may be doing.
They're not even they don't again, it ain't got nothing to.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Do with them. They don't have you know, they don't,
they don't.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
They are They're infatuated with Donald Trump and what he represents.
And I think that that is a form of toxic
masculinity that there are people. And I'm talking about black
folks because I know white people got their own issues,
but I know Black men who love themselves some Donald Trump.
(48:25):
And part of it is that they have a mindset
that you don't have to respect women's bodies. You can
just take it if that's what you want. They have
a mindset of war violence. They have a mindset of
disrespecting people, calling women out their names.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Miss Piggy and or Piggy or whatever he says.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
The things that he does that to them is a
model of what they would like to be.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
They would like to go about life.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Disrespecting, harming, and abusing women un unchecked. And that's why
they just they love him, and that is part of
what I can I can say, as I said, the
tension causes me not to use the toxic masculinity title
because while I may understand it, I don't always feel
(49:16):
comfortable using it when I listen to some of the
brothers around me talk about how.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
It makes them feel right.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
And so I just feel like I don't got to
use the language right because I can find another way
to describe the I can find another way to describe
the toxic behavior that I don't like or don't.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Appreciate, or that has harmed me.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
But in this situation, I can clearly see examples of
his attitudes and his behavior, and some of the black
men that I know who love themselves some Donald Trump
and guess what. They may not be doing it on
a presidential level and on an international level and on
(49:59):
a billionaires billionaires level, but within their own lives they
are perpetuating some of the same exact behavior as this
man because that's what they like, and that's what they
think is the right thing, or not even the right
thing to do, this is the cool thing to do.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Well. I will agree that there are a lot of
men who you know, and it's surprisingly black men who
identify with Donald Trump right and see some level of
strength in it. And it's actually confusing to me. I
don't like the term toxic masculinity because I believe I
represent masculinity to the fullest, and I don't think masculinity
(50:40):
has anything to do with imposing on people that you
feel are weaker than you physically, emotionally, mentally. Any masculine
man wants to protect those type of individuals, right, Nobody
wants to see No masculine man wants to harm a woman.
No masculine man wants to impose hisself on someone, And
that's weaknd right, And most masculine men don't even see
(51:03):
that as something that they identify. If we will have
any conflict. It would be with someone that we feel
is either equal or may have give us some level
of a challenge. So that's not masculinity. I think that's
toxic maleness because I think the physicality of a man
right the maleness. But there's nothing masculine about that. I
think it's patriarchy. I think it's toxic. I think it's
(51:27):
toxic patriarchy if you want to call it toxic maleness.
But I don't think anything any man that has any
level of masculinity sees anything strong about somebody like Donald Trump.
He's actually one of the weakest individuals I've ever seen,
because I know in certain situations, you know, he wouldn't
he would not be able to survive in a jungle.
He would not be able to survive. He wouldn't even
(51:48):
without certain you know, protocols and systems set up for
where he's protected. He wouldn't even be man to man
with someone face to face that he felt like. You
know that he couldn't, couldn't win a conflict with every
man that he's around who he deems as more masculine.
(52:10):
You always see him cow child. So there's nothing masculine
about Donald Trump, you know, everything about him is weakness,
and it's what it does. It shows me that there
are men who who who thrive on weakness, who only
are able to thrive in weakness. There's no men that
I've been in rooms with who are strong Black men,
(52:30):
who are who I know can handle themselves in every situation,
sees anything strong about Donald Trump. So yeah, I definitely
understand that there are a lot of men that identify that.
But it's not it's not masculinity, you know, I think,
and they might be good people, they might be kind
of strong, but I think that they have some level
of insecurities within themselves that makes them feel like they
(52:52):
can only impose their will or feel strong amongst people
that they feel a weaker or they can take advantage of.
But it's not masculinity to me.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Something to ponder, and I won't try to delve too
far into it because I think there are other people
who have studied it and who could speak to it
much better. And I start my intention to sit here
and pontificate and you know, talk about something I don't know, No,
talk about something that is not my expertise, because I
(53:21):
do know, but it's.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Not my expertise.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
But I do think that it's something to be said
about why so many women and so many black women
feel unsafe.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
It's weakness. It's not masculinity at all. I'm telling you,
I think it's it's weak mail meet weak mail syndrome.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Coming up with.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Oh, what's our term? We said we were going to
start using Trump delusion syndrome. That's right, it's really that,
it's really.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
It really is, because I've really every day I just
see something weaker about Donald Trump. I see another liar's
sold I just show it just shows how everything about
him is like the man. The men that I was
around my whole life, they didn't teach me to look
at somebody like Donald Trump with some level of admiration.
(54:24):
There's nothing about him that I could look and see
any level of admiration. You know, there are people who
who gravitate and they glorify possessions, you know, and and
and for years to quote unquote Trump having money with
something that people talked about, but in no other realm
on anything that I ever see any strength of in Trump,
(54:47):
like you know, I just never I never seen him
stand next to a man that I respected him like yo.
You know, he looks like he's supposed to be there. No,
he always looks like he don't know why he even
in rooms with men of and you know, Statue Maii
was in the room with him, and he was enamored
by the man he's supposed to be the president. You
(55:08):
know what I'm saying. Anytime he's around someone who carries
themselves like a man was sure he always is the
lower He's the lowest hanging food in.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Every room, yep, and always trying to prove himself.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Or he's just a clown.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, he's like a group any anybody with success, because he.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Sure ain't done nothing with yet. But but Yahoo is
a lot like him today.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Man, he don't talk like that to the president of
a career. Okay, he hint that the president of Korea
and put In are two people. I don't really see
him talking too crazy here and there. He tried to
act like he's gonna do something, but he don't be
doing nothing. But that now Yahoo him. They both look
(55:59):
like too big fools every time they get together.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Just anyway, good night.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
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