New Year Same “Mess"age…

In this episode of TMI, Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne discuss their approaches to starting the new year, emphasizing the importance of health awareness and personal rejuvenation. They reflect on the loss of a close friend, highlighting the need for black men to prioritize their health. The conversation shifts to the recent controversy over Dr. Karri Bryant's dress, discussing societal judgments and gender norms. Mysonne also critiques the influence of non-hip-hop insiders like DJ Akademiks on the culture, urging for a recalibration of values within the industry. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika d. Mallory and it's your boy my Son
in general. We are your host of TMI.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Inspiration, New Energy.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up my song learning? How you doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm blessing Holly. Kay Tamika now out with you today? Good.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm still sort of on vacation.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I am one of those people who takes the week
after the holiday just to make sure that I get
a moment to catch my breath because it's straight out the.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Gate New Year's.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
People think you're just supposed to like and that I
learned a long time ago is not a good process
for me. I need the week to get organized, just
to start thinking about what I have to do, what
I need to accomplish, and.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Then I could get back into it. So I will
not be talking to people for the most part until Monday. Comment.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Okay, well now you have you have?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah? I don't. I feel like I just feel like,
especially in the beginning of the year, that is a
new opportunity, it's new energy, and I like to hit
the ground running because I feel like, you know, it's
a lot of people that have they made the new
Year's resolutions, and they outside and they trying to do
all this stuff, and I just I think, and I

(01:30):
think it comes from prison, right, being incarcerated when you
can't do things and you watching time go by and
you see people and things moving and growing, and you
feel stagnated, and you never want to have that feeling
ever again. So when i'm I take full advantage of
every opportunity and freedom. So especially New Years. New Years

(01:52):
for me is the time of like rebirth, revitalization, re energizing,
and I have ideas that I just want to get done,
you know, And I feel like a lot of people procrastinate,
you know, you know, to procrastination is the enemy and success.
So I hate feeling like I'm procrastinating. I'm not doing things.

(02:14):
So that's just.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I wouldn't consider it to be procrastination to take time
to like when it's quiet, because during the holiday season
it's not really that quiet. There's stuff happening, there's events,
there's people, and you might be processing what you want
to do, but you're still moving, moving, and moving. I

(02:39):
feel like this week for me is a time to
like reset my body so that when I step into
it all next week, I'm fully present and not feeling
tired from the leftover of a festive holiday season. Everybody
at home brand daughter's running from the zip right from

(03:02):
one side of the house to the other. She needs
to be in the usaining Bolt school of running because
she is definitely going to be a track star. So
you got all of that going on, you know, people
cooking food, people bringing gifts, people doing things. And I
don't know where it is that you find quiet time

(03:22):
and peace, but I do understand. Your point is like
you have had moments in your life where it's it's
been nothing but quiet time, nothing but sitting still with
your thoughts, and so you know, it's something to think
about that each one of us has our own experience
and we.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
All and then that's what makes people. I think that's
kind of like.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
The ying y and yang of all relationships, is that
all of us have different things that we're experiencing and
we bring those things to the table. So, you know,
thinking about Linda, she's ready to work during Christmas because
that's not her holiday season, you know what I'm saying.
So she's like, what you're doing? You want to talk

(04:07):
about this when to no, I can't because I'm Christian,
she's Muslim. So it's just it's the yin and yang.
But it does make people slow down and sometimes it
makes people fail, you.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Know, hasting. So anywal, that's the deal.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Obviously the flu season, I've been talking about it a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I saw that a couple of people reposted my.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Comments on like big platforms, which wasn't my goal. And
I always have to remind myself that everything that I
say it just kind of like if it moves, it moves,
and people were posting or you know. What I stated
was that we don't have a federal government with people

(04:51):
who actually have good sense, and so as a result
of that, there's this fluid, is super flu that's moving around,
and you don't see enough conversation about it coming from
the podium, coming from inside the White House, coming from
the head of the Health and Human Services Department, which

(05:13):
Robert F.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Kennedy Junior is leader of.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
And I tell you when they were campaigning, when Trump
was campaigning and Robert F. Kennedy was being looked at
for he was in the mix after he dropped out.
I think it was after he dropped out and his
entire family wrote a letter saying this is a bad

(05:37):
idea or for him to have any role at all.
He should not be working for the administration. They may
have said don't vote for him for president. So actually
he hadn't dropped out yet because I think it was
Dave were saying don't vote for him for president. I
know a lot of people with a lot of messed
up families, but I don't know people that the whole

(05:58):
family gets together to write an official letter with their
name signed sealed on it saying do not vothe for
this person, do not entertain this person. For these serious physicians,
I just don't know anybody that. I don't know people's
families that do that everybody at the same time.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, it's a lot. And you know, I'm speaking of
the flu on my loss a really good friend, like
a brother in the last couple of days, and it's
been a little rough. So that's another thing that's had
me really just working because you know something when I'm
when I'm sitting down with my thoughts, you know, it
frustrates me. My man Charles Sea Rock, Charlie. You know,

(06:41):
it was one of a real close friend of mine
that I've seen pretty much like two three times a week,
come just knocking my dog on my refrigerator. You know.
It was a godfather to my son, treated my son
like he was his son, treated my both for all
of my sons were loved, and you know, he was
somebody that was real close to me, consistent, authentic. You know,
you never had to really question his loyalty or his friendship.

(07:05):
He would tell you when you did something he didn't like.
You know what I'm saying. He was one of those
friends that didn't just tell you what you wanted to
hear all the time, you know, and he was somebody
that I valued like you know, he was somebody I
really valued. He lost his life, you know, he caught
the flu which fantastasized into into pneumonia. You know a

(07:26):
lot of us as black men, we don't go to
the hospital quick enough. You know, he already had pre
existing health conditions he had he was diabetic with high
blood pressure, you know, and we tried to fight it.
Black man, we always trying to fight every sickness and
say we just don't rest, We just need a little resting.
And a lot of times we don't even rest because
we're trying to figure out how we're going to survive.
And he was one of them, the dudes that's every

(07:49):
day trying to figure out how he's gonna survive. You know.
He never wanted to be broke, you know, he would
make sure he's getting to some dollars, so he never
sat down, you know, and caught up to him to
the day he went to the hospital. They immediately started
to you know, operate and do things on him. All
his organs failed, you know, it was it was a

(08:11):
real tragic thing. And I didn't and I wasn't able
because I'm out of town working and I wasn't able
to even be there for not a neighborhood. I didn't
get to go to the hospital. Unfortunately, my son and
his mother went, and so I am. You know, but
that's been real tough for me. Man, just somebody I

(08:31):
grew up with since I was nine ten years old.
At the same way he walked into my house, he
walked into my grandmother's house. He was he was family.
He walked into my mother's house the same way going
to Fedruary to get something to eat and drink. You know,
it's just you know, you you just you realize that.
You know, you don't know how much time I just
was with him, like a week ago, so and you

(08:54):
don't think he not gonna come back. I'm you know,
I expecting him to bring the buzzer while I'm in bed.
It's neat. He ain't just walk in the house like
it's you know, and that's not gonna happen again. So
I just want to sur out my indulgence to his family,
you know, and all our friends we all grew up
with each other. Is a shot to everybody, you know

(09:15):
what I'm saying. That's see where I go. But I
just want you to know that we love them and
I'm carrying on and just based on that. My New
Year's not resolution. My New Year's dedication is to my health,
you know, and get sure that I'm in shape, that
I'm healthy, I'm eating properly, that I'm getting proper checkups.
As black men, we do not do that enough, you know,

(09:36):
And I don't want us you I mean, yes I do.
I do now. I got a lot better in the
last few years because before I just felt like I
was Superman and everything It's always gonna be okay. But
I think I'm a lot more intentional about that. And
I just want us as Black men, especially when we're
in our age, when you preaching fifty and you're close

(09:57):
to fifty and you in your upper forties, you got
to be very intentional about your health. I don't care
how much money you got. If your health is not
up to part, you ain't gonna live to spend it.
So we got to be a lot more intentional about
our house. That's one thing that I made a definite
you know, note to self that it's even though because
I'm very health conscious now, but I want to be

(10:18):
way more health lost. I want to be the way
I want to be. I want to feel healthy. I
want to eat proper things. So I'm you know, that's
the thing that I dedicate to him because you know,
a lot of times you don't see the reason for
certain people losing their life. And it's not saying that's
the but I know to me just understanding that he
lost his life and it was basically due to pre

(10:42):
existent health conditions. You know a lot of us as
black men, we get diabetes, and I was diagnosed with
high blood pressure before. So I want to be very
much intentional about, you know, making sure that I'm here
and I'm surviving and I'm thriving.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, absolutely, and God bless you Rock on his need
to the other side. He's a good guy. Every time
I've been counting him, it has been nothing but peace.
And I think the thing that's amazing is when you
meet people and the same way you meet them the
first day, five years, seven years, whatever, years later, they're
still the same, always the same energy. And it's really

(11:19):
really sad, really really shocking, and you know, and my
heart just goes out to all of you who have
been close, really really close to him for a long time.
And you know, it's funny because people who have just
been at events that we've done, or they've met him
in countered him there, they're like, wait a minute, like why,

(11:39):
Like nobody people are trying to figure out, like how does.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
He pass away?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
And I'm telling you, I know people that have all
kinds of other things going on, they're using severe drugs,
they just got issues, and honey, they live in like
nothing is happening.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
It's just living. And God bless them.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I hope that they live until you know, forever, until
until until and then it's people, good, good solid people
like Sea Rock that don't have the same that they're
not as fortunate, and as you said, oftentimes it has
to do with how we take care of ourselves every day. So,
you know, God bless, I think it's a message to

(12:21):
all of us to just make sure that it's going
back to the original point of why brought this up.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
You don't have.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
A government that will properly inform you of the current
status of these different diseases, airborne issues, viruses.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
And all of that.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
And we know because if you remember, during the first
Trump presidency, they knew people, they knew about COVID.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
They knew in December two people had died.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
It may have even been more, but I know it
was the report of two people that we learned about later.
They knew about all of this. They were being kept
up to speed or what do you call it. They
were receiving briefings about viruses. They had been made aware
of a virus that had traveled here, and they knew,

(13:21):
and they didn't tell us anything after two people died.
And again it could have been more, but I know
for sure that it was a report of two people
who died. They didn't tell us anything for several months.
That's from December until March. We didn't have a shutdown.
They never really wanted you to wear a mask. People

(13:43):
say mask are terrible and all of that, but I
know that folks in Asia and other places had been
wearing masks.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I was watching this guy in a video.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
He was Asian, and he said, we were wearing masks
before COVID, Like that is something, And that was.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
The thing that I've always seen him do, and I
never really knew because it wasn't something that was part
of our culture here in the US, right. I've always
seen like videos when you see them traveling through walking
through the communities, you see them wearing masks.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, and I understand for a lot of people it's
like it's recycled air. No one is saying that you
should be wearing masks every second of the day. But
when viruses rise at this level, you have to protect yourself,
especially if you are somebody who has a weak immune
system because of other issues. But you're not going to

(14:35):
know that if you don't hear from your elected officials,
from your government, or you know, yeah, your government, Hey
there's a problem here. If you had diabetes, heart condition.
My cousin, same thing has a serious heart condition, and
guess what, the pacemaker went off, which alerted him that

(14:58):
the flu he was already dealing with had something else
was going on. And to your point, it metastasized to pneumonia.
So there's clearly something happening. And I'm not saying that
it's not just a bad flu. I'm not over here
with the conspiracy that oh, this is some you know,

(15:18):
big pandemic style sickness that is gonna kill thousands of
thousands and thousands of people the same way that you
know we saw with COVID. I'm not even there. I'm
just saying that the flu is really aggressive and we
need people to be informed, so someone like see Rock
would know, you know what, I'm not feeling really well

(15:39):
and I have these other things going on. I need
to get to a doctor right away. Instead, because there's
no alert, there's nobody talking about it, you would think that,
you know, okay, I'm you know, I'm just gonna fight
it off, And this is actually not something that you
should try to fight off. You actually need to go
see somebody, especially if you have other issues.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Children are dying.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
I mean, it's really really serious. So now what we
have to do, and we talk about this on the
show all the time. We have to inform our people
of everything all the time because we cannot have any
expectation that not just this government, but any government. We
cannot just rely on information from the podium. We have

(16:23):
to rely on information sharing within our community and make
sure that first of all, we're taking care of ourselves,
because really the way they cutting health insurance, the way
that they are increasing premiums, all of the stuff that's happening,
people are not even going to be able to rely
on the medical system, which we already have not been

(16:45):
able to be reliant on a strong healthcare system, and
so that is even becoming a weakened and it's becoming
less available to us based upon the stuff that's happening
with this government.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
So we're we're in a.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Real serious, serious situation here, and sometimes I really feel
like people people don't either believe us or they don't
know or whatever, because it just feels like folks are
not as focused as we need people to be in
order for us to be able to take care of
one another. And I understand that most people learn through crisis.

(17:28):
That's just the nature because once you because as you're working,
you're getting the kids to the school, you're dealing with
all these different things. You don't have time to sit
in constant shit every day, every minute, every minute, learning
about a new crisis, a new thing that you don't
even feel you can solve. But the problem for us
is that if this system, whenever, this system crashes, fails,

(17:52):
whatever it does, it crashes on top of our heads.
So we are better off if we inform ourselves every day,
all the time and try to get ahead of things
that we see coming in our direction.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So that's my rant for today. I'm gonna keep talking
about it now. I'm in the rack.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Oh my whole algorithm is on the flu that's it.
That's it. It's called the.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's called the influenza A virus, and it's
called the subclad subclade K. It's a it's a new
genetic variant with the larger subtype. It's not really novel,
but it's definitely affecting the immune system and it spreads
very easy, so it's and hospitalization, so just be be

(18:38):
careful man.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
It's definitely highly contagious, highly contagious, and people got mad
at me before when I said, stop shaking hands. The
black members on my page like, oh see, this is
breaking down the community because they want you not to
touch one another and to start just coming where we

(19:01):
were unable to be in relationship together. And I'm like, all,
am I am I crazy?

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Or are you crazy?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I'm telling you that people scrubb their nose, wipe the ass,
do all the things that they do, and then you
out here clapping them up and then wiping your nose,
and you telling me that I am I am trying
to disrupt relation among black people.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Y'all gotta be kidding me. Gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
It's unfortunately moving around. No, it's unfortunate that we have,
but it's necessary.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Any Who, I digress. I'm gonna move on.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yes, my algorithm is so much about the fluid and
I'm a little bit passionate about the sop fix.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
So my thought of the day to day.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Something that happened to happen a few weeks before the
holidays begin. I was working with a group of people
on a project and.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Something happened.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That I thought one of the individuals was being so
rude to other people, and I just I was watching
it on me when I'm in spaces. It's not like
when I was younger. When I was younger, I would
feel intimidated by other people in the room. But now
it doesn't really matter what room I'm in. Even if

(20:37):
I don't think I know as much, I know enough
that I can communicate in ninety nine point nine percent
of conversations right just based upon life experience and common sense.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Might not have all of the words to say the.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Best terminology, but I can pretty told my own in
any conversation, and so I don't have the same level
of intimidation that other people may be experiencing. And I
understand it because I used to feel that way. So
in this particular space, this individual was to me being
very rude and stern and just talking to people in

(21:20):
a way that I was.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I was just like, wow, this is interesting. It was.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I can't say it made me feel uncomfortable, but I
certainly noticed it and thought to myself, this is like,
I'm wondering when someone else is going to say because
they weren't doing it to me, they were doing it
to other people, and I'm like wondering, when is someone
else going to stop this from happening. Later on, I
said to this individual, Hey, you know, I just felt

(21:48):
like it was really harsh, and I'm not sure how
you think you're going to get the best out of
what we're trying to accomplish with this particular small group
of individuals. I don't know how you do it, because
it was just beauty. I just felt like you were
being very rude and nasty. And a person said to me, well,

(22:15):
I just keep it real, and most people can't deal
with or can't accept and understand that I'm a real person,
and my thought of the day today is around the
idea that a lot of people think that being rude
and nasty is keeping it real, and I don't agree

(22:37):
with that. I don't agree that talking down to people right,
that treating people like they're beneath you is keeping it real,
because quite frankly, I'm an individual who pretty much I
think I keep it real most times in terms of
when I'm having conversations with people about how I feel

(23:00):
about what it is that I need, what my wants
and needs are, about what is required in order for
me to be in relationship with you, or to work
on a project together, or to do business together.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I'm pretty much very.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Forward coming about who I am and what I need
in order for this relationship to be successful in any relationship,
but I never feel that I need to demean people,
to treat people as if I am somehow above them,
either because I'm smarter or I have, you know, more information,

(23:40):
or I've had more access than them. I've never been
that person and I absolutely am not. I If I
have at any point found myself slipping, I always checked
myself and ensure that I'm leading with being humble. It
doesn't make me perfect, but it definitely is something that
I work on every day. And I just want to

(24:01):
say to people out there that if you'll believe or
if you are leading with this nasty, vile way of
being as keeping it real, you're actually not keeping it
real at all. What you're keeping it is nasty and disrespectful,
and I just think that we need to have a

(24:23):
recalibration of what it means to be assertive but not
to be demeaning or disrespectful to people.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
And then also.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Challenging yourself to figure out is it that you just
don't know how to communicate, or perhaps you're the one
who's got all the education. And by the way, this
is a very educated individual. The individual that I'm speaking
of is somebody who knows a lot.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Right, And sometimes people think that because they.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Know so much that it gives it means that you're automatically.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Confident.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
But but what I'm finding is that there are a
lot of people out here who are who are very
knowledgeable and lacking of confidence so much so that the
only way they know how to communicate is to be
nasty and disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And that's a very good point. You know, real is
not rude. And if you're intentionally saying things to insult
people because and you think that's being rude. If you're
saying things that you know is going to affect somebody
that you say, that you value or that you're trying
to work with, and you're saying things that you know

(25:37):
is going to hurt their feelings or demeaning, that's not
leadership at all. It's not even partnership. Right. What you're
doing is you're creating the enemy. You're creating something. Because
a person told me one time that was one of
the realest things. I've heard. People forget a lot of things,
but they never forget how you make them feel. Right,
And when you're talking to somebody, you're talking down to
an individual. They never forget that they hold on to

(26:00):
these things. And you know, you have a lot of
you have a lot of scorned individuals who have been
you know, verbally abused, who have been taught to, you know,
demean themselves, who shrink themselves because they had leadership or
partnership that made them feel like they wasn't worthy. I
never walk into any space and I hate people who
do that. I find myself at odds like I probably

(26:22):
could not have been on that call right because I
would have immediately been like, well, oh, you need to
calm down, because I know a lot of people who
don't have the courage of the brave reyers speak up
those in those situations. But I hate to see so
called leadership like that. I hate people who think because
they have some level of status or they've learned something

(26:43):
more than someone else to speak down to them, it's
some level of you know, actual leadership or keeping it real.
I think that's one of the worst things you can
do as an individual, is trying to demean someone else,
especially when you are aware that they might not have
the knowledge or to understanding that you have I think
when we've given, when we are given knowledge, when God

(27:05):
blesses us with the ability to discern in situations that
others haven't, it is not to utilize it against them,
and it's to help them grow. Right, whatever knowledge we give,
we're supposed to pass on. So I definitely marry a sentiment.
I never like to see anyone, you know, rude and
disrespectful to anyone, especially when you work. Because the thing,

(27:25):
the reality is what is your goal? Right, If we
have a team and I want to get the best
out of my team, my whole goal should be to
empower them, right to be, to inform them, to make
them feel like they're strong in every space that they
step into. So if I'm taking away that, then I'm

(27:46):
actually you know, I'm not actually a good leader and
I'm not actually a good like when you look at
when you look at sports, you know, when you have
a coach who loses the clocking room, right, I don't
care how good a coach is. Once you lose the
place and they feel like you don't you're not for them,
you don't understand them, you speaking down to them, then
you lose the glack low. The team no longer flourishes

(28:08):
when you have a coach who you watch and you
see the the you know, the camaraderie with the coach
and the players, you see that team actually flourish, you know.
So there's a proven model that when you have someone
who speaks life into you instead of taking it out
of you, you actually went So I.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Definitely, he absolutely And let me tell you a lot
of times people feel like, oh, you know a lot
of people have said this thing about me, but it's
just simply not true. And sometimes that's real that there's
an impression of you because one person says it and

(28:48):
then ten people pick it up and next next thing,
you know, it just becomes a narrative about you. Right,
Like I remember being accused of sleeping with a very
powerful person in order to get a position, and it
was like a viral story and it wasn't true, Like
I just it never happened. Well, that's that you said

(29:08):
something that's so good. It's like a quick phrase, real
is not rude. So that's sums it all up. Let's
talk about the TMI. When you talk about rudeness, Lord
have mercy our TMI is it too much or not enough?
And guess what I'm not getting into a back and
forth debate with anybody about what a woman should or

(29:32):
should not wear.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
That is never, I promise you.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
The one conversation that I'm not about to engage in is, oh,
doctor carry Bryant should not have worn this or that,
and a third everybody, I just I don't She could have.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Had on.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Nothing, and I might not like it. Me personally, I
might look and be like.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Oh, but I don't have enough time in my life
on the the in the twenty four hours that God
has granted me, I don't have enough time to sit
and analyze the attire of anybody. That's just not something
that I am invested in. But what I am invested

(30:19):
in is this idea that we have the the well,
let me say it this way. Who makes the determination
of what is appropriate attire for.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
A first lady? Where is that?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Because sure, I'm told by people and this is dress
gate for people who who don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
We've been in dress gate for the last several weeks.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
And by the way, I saw it when it first started,
and I just knew that by now it would have
wrapped up, and instead it's made it to national TV shows.
This dress is everywhere, everywhere you could think of, people
are talking about this damn dress and what doctor carry
Bryant wore, not in a pulpit, but to an event

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which I will say one hundred percent she looked phenomenal, phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
But again, you or some other person might say didn't
like it. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
But how we get into a three to four almost
going to four weeks or three weeks and some change
dialogue about attire. I'm trying to figure out where it
says that. Where does it say is there a book
or something? And I'm not I'm literally asking the question,

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is there a book that lays out exactly what a
woman is supposed to have on what she said, supposed
to wear a man for that reason, for that matter?
They say, well, it talks about modesty, and it talks
about not enticing a man or enticing other people.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
And I guess I hear you.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
But I'm just wondering, is enticing only what you wear
or are women enticing in other ways that has absolutely
nothing to do.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
You could be fully clothed and still.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Doing and being things that are considered to be enticing
to a man. I'm just trying to figure out where
we are because I don't.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I'm a little confused.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, I'm not the biggest religious person. You know, I
believe in God. You know, I'll go to churches. Shout
out to Brevan Jamal Brian. I go to his church.
I've been to Willie Wilson's church. I go to the mosque.
You know. I'm more of a spiritual individual you. And
that's the reason why I don't, you know, prescribe to

(33:05):
religion because there's too many.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Subscribe, subscribe, subscribe, because remember we've read you could say subscribe.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Subscribe, abscribe. Well, I don't subscribe to religion because I
don't like. I don't like. I don't subscribe or ascribe
to religion because I don't like these things, these pigeonholes
that are put on you that you have to say
things a certain way, you have to be a certain way.
And I think when you look at religion, you look

(33:38):
at the different sects of religion, people have removed certain
things because it fits them better, right, And I think
for me, if I was going to a church, I
want to go to a church where the pastor and
the first lady fit who I am. They're comfortable with
who they are, if that's the dress that you where
you're comfortable, if that's the way that you can counicating

(34:01):
in the confines your own. I want to feel like
I'm seeing because I want my woman to wear dressed
like that. I want to be around people that think
like that. I want my pastor to be relatable to me.
I don't want to think you're this perfect person that
lives exactly by some scripture that was with written thousands
of years ago that people, you know, that's how they

(34:21):
felt they needed to. I want to feel like you
represent me. So that's the congregation I would be a
part of, you know, And I think that's what people
need to understand. Maybe this like Reverend Jamal spoke about it.
He spoke up for his wife and he said, if
the church you're looking for is the woman that needs
to look like Joan Cleaver or little house on the prairie,

(34:42):
and she gonna dres But this is the woman that
I wanted. This is the woman that I prayed for.
This is the I went. I brought this dress from
my wife that she liked the I like for me,
and it's supposed to be for me. And that is
the mentality I have and I think people who have
that mentality should file doctor Bryant right and go to
his church. I think people who don't and you don't

(35:04):
go to that church. I think your opinion is your opinion,
but it really doesn't matter. I tell people all the time,
your opinion only matters to me if you matter to me.
So you're welcome to have an opinion, and it's cool.
But when you talk about what this pastor woulden said
about her, him presenting her like a two dollars horr
like to me, now you might get hit in your mouth.

(35:27):
And that's another reason why I don't want to subscribe,
because I don't want taking you getting hit out in
the mouth for disrespecting me and my wife taking off
the table. I don't want you to think because I'm
a pastor or go to a church and all these things,
that you can disrespect me and put my wife in
the realm of a hole at all. The fact that
you would put some man's wife in diverbage of that

(35:51):
man's wife and a hole in the same sentence is
something that may get you hit in the mouth. And
I think we just got too comfortable with social media,
with the world where people think that they can their opinion, right,
they can vocal vocalize their opinion. What out there being consequences?
You can't call no man's wife or you just can't.
You can't even say that he persis. You can't even

(36:14):
use that terminology. And the sentis with a man's wife.
It's just no, like we're just going too far. And
there people who think that they can and you can
talk about somebody, but there's consequences for that. And the
thing is if it might not be consequences, and right now,
you know, Ryan might say, you know, that's not something
he wants, but they have people who are not gonna

(36:36):
take it, and you're gonna step into a comma in
a situation to where it's gonna be consequences. You know,
I hate to see those things, but I just I
don't know why people got so comfortable just disrespecting and
speaking about people and their loved ones. And man got
up there and told you he said this before this
man says he got on the stage to say, you
can say what you want about me, but you not

(36:58):
gonna play with my wife. Like that's what he made
that he made that clip. So for you to continue
on even if you said you don't like to dress.
You know, I don't think it's appropriate. People wanna take
that thing cool. But when you start using the word
hole in reference to anything that has to do with
a man's wife, people is outline. That's that's too that's TMN.

(37:19):
For me, that's way too much. And you know, and
and I'm not even mad if forget it, I'm not
even saying that though.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well, I don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I just, you know, I look around and I just
think to myself that there are people out here who
really are holier than thou about everything other than their
own lives. And that's pastest too, pastes other first ladies.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm just I've been really flawed.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
And I love that someone took Trump's face and put
it on the dress and said, can we see if
maybe this dress on the real problem in life right
if that will help us to focus on these issues,
because we're spending a great deal of time dealing with

(38:22):
what a woman wore. And I'm gonna tell you there
are some people who don't want Muslims to wear he
job that's the most modest of any modesty, and they
didn't want to make women take their job on. Right,
there are some churches that won't allow women to become

(38:47):
past this and to sit in certain seats in the pulpit, in.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Certain positions in the church, thereby.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Preventing them I'm being in their highest priesthood, if you will. Right,
there are people who you go to their church and
feel unwelcome for a variety of reasons. I'm just trying
to understand how we just became the greatest judge of

(39:22):
every kind of woman's anything, anything, because again going back
to the issue of Muslim woman, they say you're being
made to wear his job, so that the man is
making you do this.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
That's a problem.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm confused, I really am. I want to know where
is the rules? Where are the rules? So when I
could get the rules, then I can look at the
rules and then decide what I might or may not.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Be able to do.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And I agree with you one hundred percent, one hundred
percent that every church and every pastor and every congregation
and every choir and every Bible study and every anything
is not for everybody. That's why you never see me

(40:16):
upset when a pastor is asking for money a certain
way and then it gets it gets you know, it
goes viral somehow, and everybody's jumping up.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And down about it.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Because I have been one in the church and in
organizations where people raise money all the time, and there's
a style that some folks.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Had for the congregation that they represent.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's why, that's why you almost always see that the
person who was the direct person being engaged, like the
lady who they told up this ain't a line. If
you got if I said, and I might be wrong
about the numbers, but if I say, this line is

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for the thousand dollars people, and you get in the
line with five hundred and six hundred. Again, I don't
know the numbers, but it's not one thousand dollars. Either
you wait till your time is called, or get in
this line over here. Now there's some people who will
be like, oh, you know, but that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
It shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
And most of the people who have something to say
don't time to nothing at all.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Period.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
They don't donate, they don't time, they don't do anything.
When you have a tithing mentality, you are not as
disturbed by being told this ain't your line, this is.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Not your line.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
You would have came up here in the wrong line
at the wrong time. And that's why most of those
people are not upset. It's somebody else that took it
and shared it or they was all worked up about it,
and that's how we get to the place where we are.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
So with that being said, I'm trying to figure out
where's the rules.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Number one, I'm not even gonna talk about two dollar
hole because you could say whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
You could say you didn't feel that.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Carrie Bryant should have won that dress, if that's what
you If that's your opinion, have your opinion, right, But
the one thing you cannot say is that she was
presented as a two dollar hole because she looked like
a beautiful, well put together, amazing woman and that's who

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she is.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
You might say that amazingness isn't something that you feel
the first lady should be, but you're not gonna say
that she looked like any of that.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I just don't agree.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
So again, we all gonna have our opinion, and the's
the church is gonna be packed with people who want
that type of first lady.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
They want a verse a child.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
First lady that they can see her out on a
on a nice night and a date night, going to
an event, and she can be cute and you know,
doing her thing and even sexy, then they could and
then they can see her over here, and she's fully dressed.
They can see her over there, and she got her
a k A uniform on her paraphernalia. They can see

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her and dif it that's some people are treating to
that go.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
To the church. That's why they go to that church.
The church. Yes, yes, yes, And if it's not for you,
if it's not for you, then go to another church.
It's not it's not. It's not hard like it's everybody.
Everything is not for everybody. I tell people all the time.
It's just like it's like social media. You go on
your page and the people on there that hate you
to death, that's on there every day. This sein't the

(43:50):
page for you. It's another page that all the ship
that you talking about, they got it there. Why you
come here? Man? At every post that I post, this
is not your ministry. Your ministry. You gotta go somewhere
else because it ain't for me. And that's what I'm saying.
People have got we have we have got so caught
up and worrying about other people's business and other people's

(44:12):
way of life and way other people think, and it's
just too much. I don't care. I really do not
care about the way that you live your life.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
The reason why because I wrote a Facebook post about
how these folks are way more concerned about this dress
than they are the issues that we're really really up against.
And somebody said, that's because of the stuff y'all got.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Going on in your own lives.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
You know, you don't, you know, you want to excuse
other things so you can excuse the things y'all got
going on in your lives, and and the way that
they said it was like like that they was trying
to embarrass me and others who were in the comments
section saying I'm with you, I agree with you, Tamika,
this conversation is ridiculous or whatever, not even whether they

(45:00):
agreed with the dress or not, but the whole point
that most folks were making is like, this is a distraction,
like a complete distraction that.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
We don't care about. And the person said, no, we do.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Care about it. We need to talk about it. And
the reason why y'all don't want to deal with it
is because of your own lives and how y'all got
stuff going on in your own lives and you just so,
therefore you want to excuse this. And again they were
trying to make it like I'm saying something slick that's
going to embarrass you. And guess what I said, You

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are one hundred percent right.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Ain't never said anything more true because of the fact
that in my own life, I wear sometimes sexy, sometimes this,
sometimes that. Sometimes I'm up, sometimes I'm down, sometimes I'm good,
sometimes I'm not.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Have all kinds of things going on in my world.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
And that makes it that when somebody where's a dress,
I don't even have time to address that because I'm
more so forward forward thinking on what are the things
that impact us as a whole. And I promise you
that that dress will not do it.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I promise you it won't. I don't care how holy
you try to make the topic that. Oh, but it's
the destruction of the people.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Cut the health insurance and the dress had nothing to
do with it. The premiums are up on the health
insurance on health coverage that has nothing to do with
carry Bryant's dress. The folks is being disappeared off the streets.
The ice agents is running around here, disappearing people.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Off the streets. That has nothing to do with Carrie
Bryant's dress.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Okay, education in our country is a disaster, nothing to.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Do with Carry Bryant's dress. What else you want? Food
is high shit people can't even afford to get.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Carrie Bryant's dress has nothing to do with that, Nor
does my son's story or Johnny's thing he got going on.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
It doesn't It's not relevant in your world.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
It's just not so you know, it is what it is,
but it just eurther gives me anxiety that we're not ready.
We're not ready because where we are sitting. It doesn't
mean you don't have an opinion, But when your opinion
becomes a fifteen page or a fifteen slide video, a

(47:40):
thought piece, and you ain't got no thought piece decality
about how we're gonna deal.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
With all the issues.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I don't know three hundred thousand black women more than that.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
The number is more than that.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
In fact, people only saying three hundred thousand, but the
last Labor Bureau numbers said a undred thousand Black women
have been pushed out of the work for us from January.
And I know it's true. I know it's true, and
it probably is more than that. But Carrie Brian's dress
got them fired.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Listen, man, I'm gonna tell you this. Man, it's a
lady in the church. They got full dress. Ain't no
no skin tone dress. She got the grandma dress, and
she doesn't have sex with about thirty forty people in
the church. Kay, Brian got the dress.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Ain't nobody having no sex, but no thirty forty no church.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Please, it don't even be it. Don't forty eligible.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
That's what I tell you.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Got to be. They got to be eligible. I'm telling
you I know church girls that are fully dressed with
the long dress down to the knees. They're outside doing
whatever they got to do with numerous people. That woman
got and she had a dress on, and she a
respectable lady. Man, y'all need to focus on the things

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that the business that paid you.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, focus on things that pay you. Anyway, let's go
to you. I don't get it. I guess you know
it's so much not to get. I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Segment this I don't get it is kind of you know.
I've been thinking about it. I was thinking about New
Year's you know, just thinking about hip hop. I came
into this game and hip hop, loved hip hop, loved
the creativity of hip hop. You know, I watched it
more if I went from rock Him, Cool g rap
you know, e pm D, Big Daddy came like these

(49:41):
are people that I watched growing up in the eighties
and I loved the deciphers in the park and you know,
being able to lyrically come up with things that nobody
else could think of, you know, And I watched it
more from the nineties and then we had you know,
nads and we had pop and we had jay Z,
we had you know, mob Deep and it was explained.

(50:03):
I mean, we had so many we have public and
we just hip hop went through so many different phases
and we watched it right and it was good, there
was bad. It was always positive and negative. Like right,
there was there was some violence in it here and there,
you know, there was people who had beefs, because that's
what happens. You competition comes some level of beefs and
we dealt with that, right. But it was always centered

(50:26):
around the music. It was always centered around somebody speaking
from a perspective, somebody who actually engaged in certain lifestyles
or come from certain communities and cultures that brought their
perspective to it now right, and you listened to it
and you identified with it because they had a perspective.
Even people who were analysts about hip hop, they came

(50:47):
from hip hop. You watched Fab five Freddy and you
seen DJ read Alert, like real DJs who had real perspectives,
that used to carry crates and sit and they gave you,
you know, cool. All of them talked about the essencepop
and growing up inside of that essence of hip hop.
And my other get it is, how did we allow

(51:08):
people who don't have any hip hop credentials or anything
to co op hip hop? How the fuck in the
world did we let dj academics No, no, for real though,
but I'm serious. How the fuck did we let dj
academics Adam twenty two and fucking Aiden Ross co op

(51:28):
hip hop? How do we let some people who have
no connection to this culture come in? And not only
did they co op hip hop, they veered away from
what it was originally doing. Right. Hip hop was about
us expressing would come from our communities. It was a
way out of our communities. It was a way to
you know, to move past the streets to grow. You

(51:51):
let somebody like Academics, who has no connection to hip hop,
no connection to the street, no connection to anything, come
in here in co op. Right, I realized there was
a time, you know, that that beef was a marketing
tool for the music. Right that were people were engaged.

(52:12):
They see, oh these people were beefing with each other,
but it was musically inclined. People would go back and forth.
Sometimes it might get some levels of violence that you know,
God bless the dead. Tupac and Biggie. We watched how
that thing, you know, just grew into something that was
bigger than them. And but we realized that we started
to make changes in that situation. But what these people
started to do, like DJ Academics, is they utilize music

(52:37):
to market beef. Right, It went from beef marketing music
to music marketing beef. So they no longer cared about talent,
They no longer cared about real skill. They wanted to
hear the beef, and they wanted to see the beef,
and they wanted to see the video or somebody smoking
on a dead person, and somebody shot this one and
this and that and that started to supersede actually making music.

(53:00):
How did we let people like academics change our whole
culture into that and then be the voice of what's hot.
People like him, who have no knowledge, will have no credibility,
don't have no resume of nothing, came into this game,
took co op beef and turns it into a genre
of music. And not only did he do that, he

(53:22):
capitalized and we watched people numerous beats, people dying, going
to jail based off things that he promoted, and he
made millions of dollars sitting in that damn basement, disrespecting people,
calling all type of violence to the table, still doing it,
and then we let him dictate to us who was hot.
And what happened to me will hurt me is that

(53:43):
people who were I believe grew up in this culture,
who were really actually people that respect in this culture.
Co sigentis shit. They sat next to him, they brought
him on platforms, they talked about it, and they let
him become bigger than the music. He was able to
dictate what's hot in this culture. Somebody like him, who

(54:03):
has no credibility, on no platform anywhere outside of that basement,
is able to dictate who is what inside of music
and get rich off of doing it and killing us
at the same time. For the first time, probably twenty
is something years, hip hop was not in the top
twenty nowhere on the boards because people like him co opted.

(54:26):
And then you got Adam twenty two, who goes around
a white dude just running around promoting beef, sitting in
another room with black dudes. There's gang members and hate
promoting beef and all types of dumb shit, promoting the
most dumbish shit possible, and they able to make million
dollars of streaming and we just let them co op hippop,
let them co op here up. Now you got this

(54:48):
dude Aiden Ross who's disrespecting Yoshi. Get up to my
brother Glasses Malone who called him out on that. You know,
it's really sad that people who actually say they from
hip hop are silent as we watch these vultures, culture voltures,
this co op and not only did the co op
if they was moving it in a in a upward trajectory,

(55:11):
and we've seen it going forward and it was going
hip hop is pretty much dying, like it's become just
this one little area of music now it's not even
growing no more. They have stifled the growth of hip
hop because you gave these people the rings to be
able to dictate, dictate who and what is hot. And

(55:32):
I just can't believe that we've got people who I
thought understood this culture who have allowed this shit to happen.
I've been calling this out for the last five and
six years, and you know, and people just don't say, oh,
you hating you know how you mad at a bug? No,
I'm not. I'm not mad at a blog. I'm mad
at y'all because y'all allowed this corn ball to dictate

(55:53):
what hip hop is and co op and make millions
of dollars and call you stupid and tell people they're
not hot if they're not making deep telling twenty one seven.
Nobody want to hear you make positive songs. You want
to hear you sliding on people, telling people that got
beef that real people have lost their life. Yo. Why
you ain't slide yo, Why you ain't do this or
you ain't really tough? Like this is what y'all allowed

(56:14):
hip hop to become. And these are the people that
when you look at they say, the most powerful people
in hip hop music when you see DJ Academics is
one of the most.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Powerful people that says that, I don't think no, no.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I'm can't to tell you no, no, no, I'm telling
you when you look at the list when they come
out with these lists and they say trash, But I'm
just saying the fact, the fact that somebody has exalted
somebody who is this bottom feeding, who is this low vibration,
who adds nothing to the coach that has added zero

(56:47):
to this coach has done nothing but extract from this culture.
The fact that he can be put in those those
positions to where they say he's one of the most
important and powerful voices in hip hop. It's just crazy
to me. And it's crazy that people sat by and
let this happen when they watched this drunk man sit
up there talking to children about who they having sex with,

(57:11):
talking about it that they will make no sense, just
drunk in his basement, and y'all telling us that this
is what hip hop looks like. These are the people
who are the voices of hip hop. These are the
powerful people in hip hop. I just do not get
how y'all let them people co op movement. I can
don't I don't get how Aiden Ross is able to
sit in rooms and talk about a genre that I

(57:33):
never seen him do anything for him.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
These people have Ross black, No, he's a white guy.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yes, him and Adam twenty two, these people.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, you know, I'm not as up on the information
as you, but they got it's a lawsuit that the
federal I think the Feds have a lawsuit against some
people about something that got to do.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
With Drake, and Drake got because they said that he
once again Drake, you know, was able to allegedly, they
say he was paying Aiden Ross, you know, through these
streaming on networks, to be able to manipulate the numbers
in his streams and in his music. Because that's what happened.

(58:20):
We gave the we gave the reins to these people
who don't do nothing else.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Pay to play. But what about pay to payola?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Because it seems to me that that particular system of
paying the whoever to get your out has been going
on a long time.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
That's not a new thing.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
It's not a new thing, but it's always been illegal,
right so when you when he was caught doing it,
it was illegal. But the thing is for me, is
you not even you're not even somebody who is of
this culture, who has the credentials, like a lot of
these DJs that was getting paid to play. A lot
of these DJs came from the bottom. They was in
the you know, they was in the parks, they was DJing,

(59:02):
They built up, they follow and they really showed people
they loved the music, this and that, and some of
them might have said I need a couple of hours,
but they felt like I've done the work, Like now
now my voice is strong enough because I've literally done
the work inside this this arena. And now when you
want me to play your record a break a record,
I need to put I don't agree with that, but
I understand it. But when somebody has done nothing for

(59:25):
the culture, who just come and able to manipulate numbers
and this and that to have people feel like we
need to listen to them, and now you're paying them
to completely gear the culture away from what music actually is,
the sound of music, the culture of music, the feel
of music, to where now you you you've diminished our
music so much that it's not even valuable no more.

(59:47):
Like most of these artists, they we did not selling
records no more because they have diminished the value of
hip hop right the people that they.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
They try, but we wouldn't be able to set it
about Drake's music because most of them like Drake's music.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
So no, the thing is this what we've done, what
they've done with Drake's music, is they made it to
where it became the only music you heard. So what
happens is if you had artists that didn't sound like
Drake and didn't make the same kind of music, then
it felt like that wasn't being promoted no more, because
only music when you go turn on the radio, if

(01:00:23):
all you hear is a Drake song right then, and
only somebody that's what Drake's on us in a Drake camp,
then what happens is other music is not even getting
the same opportunities. They're not even getting in an oyegirl.
And if you're not paying to play, and if you
don't just happen to break through here and there, then
what happens is you're an artist that's that's a good
artist that people don't even know it's music going on

(01:00:46):
to Yeah, this is what happens when you're paying, you're
paying for streams to manipulate streams because if you keep
telling people, Yo, you got two hundred million streams in
one day. People feel like that got to be the
hottest song in the world. So now let me go
to that. It's two hundred of them too. My one
stream ain't gonna hurt. So now what happens is you're

(01:01:06):
pushing the algorithm one way. You're making people believe that
this is the sound of the universe, and people are
going to follow a trend. So that's what they do.
That's what they do with me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
So that's what the well, that's what they use. That
is the accusation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, I'm not saying I'm just saying that's what's been
done in music. I'm not saying that that's happened with
him per se. But that's exactly what they're accusing him.
Dissa Rico, you know, charge based on that, and it's
it's sad, man, it's sad. And for me, like, if
somebody told me that Rock Kim was doing that right,
if somebody told me Big Daddy Kane was doing it,

(01:01:41):
somebody told me Nas if somebody was doing that right,
I wouldn't feel as bad because I'd be like, these
people put so much work in, they've been in hip
hop for thirty forty years. You know, they deserve to
be able to figure out some shit. But somebody who
hasn't done anything for this culture but extract is able
to make billions and multi hunt millions, while our forefathers

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of the culture are starving, shut upon nods were trying
to put together fun to what they actually have healthcare
where they actually are able to receive retirement funds because
nobody cares about hip hop and these people created hip
hop and they haven't made nowhere near with these people
who have done nothing for the culture have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
So you know what, here's here's what I will say
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
We have no one to blame accept ourselves because while
and I understand that there is that the culture definitely
are not the culture, but that society absolutely is intentionally
dumbing us down. But we spend so much time buying

(01:02:48):
cars and having fabulous things and you know, wanting to
take the trips and the showmen stuff for pictures and
magazines up to social media, that we miss the opportunity
to build that not just in hip hop but in
many different spaces. That the people who were in these
high level positions, who had the resources and the access

(01:03:12):
at the time, were not having those conversations. So to
your point, NASA is doing the grown man thing now
of understanding his power and he's using it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
But we should have been doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
And you can, but you can't do what you don't know.
To me, nobody we wanted Noney most of the hip.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
But I'm not talking about artists. I'm not talking about artists.
I'm talking about executives who did understand the importance of
health insurance and retirement and all of that because they
themselves focused on it for their own families, but they

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did not see the need to build that as black
executives in the industry, and some of them we know
in love right, but that wasn't the focus.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
The focus was on buying a house.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Most of them because most of the executives you know
is not really executives. Most of the executives that pioneer
a lot exactly because they weren't financially literate. They didn't
They lost a lot of them lost they dynasties, They
lost money, They lost billions and millions of dollars. They
got cut out of a lot of these deals and

(01:04:29):
they had to come back and read and then read
structure and say, wow, we didn't even realize we were
supposed to be doing this. We didn't now. What happened
is because there were people who were financially literate that
was saying we're gonna give you, we're gonna give you
fifty million dollars for your deal, and we're gonna we're
gonna buy this and that, and you're good. You you
go get a deal, and they be like, oh, I
got fifty million dollars, I'm gonna go do this about
because nobody was telling them, listen, bro, what you need

(01:04:51):
to do is make sure that you take up this loan,
take off, get this house, buy this property, make sure
you invest in healthcare. Nobody was telling these people that
even the exacts, they had to grow and right now,
that's why when you listen to a lot of the
Black X right now in the conversations that they're having
about black wealth, about creating you know, these avenues, it's

(01:05:13):
different because they learned something different. So were we were
being preyed upon. I remember most of the people that
was getting deals. You was getting a million dollars. Then
you thought you had a million dollars. It wasn't a
million dollars. They was giving you about one hundred thousand.
They was taking your royalties, They was charging you for
the studio, they were charging you every time you drove
around in the car. They were charging you for everything.
And then you come back after you put out an album,

(01:05:35):
you know, so two and three million, and you don't
got a dime and you're thinking, wow, where's the money
or we had to recoup this, and they showing you
all this, You're like, what do you mean you had
to recoup this? I ain't got no help, I ain't
got nothing new, And where's this from my kid or whatever?
To my publisher when you said co publishing, I was
supposed to get this here cold publishing, and they getting
the like you didn't know nothing. And it wasn't that

(01:05:55):
you was dumb, it's that you believed in understanding. No,
I'm just saying, but I'm just trying to say a
lot of us were being booz but we did not
understand finances. We did not understand you know, capitalists. We
did not really get it. So a lot of people
were played. And when they figured it out, they say, okay,

(01:06:15):
we're gonna do this this way. Now, okay, now I
see what you're doing. Oh yeah, well master p and
them start selling things of the trunk and they saying, Yo,
you don't need to get no record deal. Now you
can sell once you build your own thing. You get
your own thing out of trunk. Now they start doing
joint ventures because now I'm not signing you for No.
Seven album. I'm gonna sign to you as a partner.
Now we get a partnership. You're gonna give me some
uphunt money because now we got a partnership and we're

(01:06:37):
gonna split everything down the middle. And then they got
to the backing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I bet you if you go back and you look
at history, I can't promise you, but everything that I've
loved inside my heart that if you go back and
look at history, you can find where somebody was trying
to get us to listen to that. And people was like,

(01:07:03):
oh whatever, saying because I see it here in our spaces,
right in the activist community and the civil rights world.
Social justice people are like, let's all focus on building
and buying and investing or whatever. And the majority of
folks are like, I don't want to hear that. We

(01:07:25):
you know, we were just hustling every day and I'm
saying that I've been on both sides, so I get it.
I've been the person who's like, I hear you, but
I can't focus on that. And I've been the person
trying to push us to do something and watching people ignore.
So I'm just saying we have to be a lot
smarter about not just in hip hop, I'm trying. I'm

(01:07:47):
taking this conversation in a bigger in a broader perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
We got to be a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Smarter about listening to the smart people in our community,
the ones that have the crazy ideas that no one
ever really wants to take the time to focus on.
And we've got to be a lot smarter about realizing
that it hasn't been designed for us. And therefore the
only way it's like we're ending the show at the

(01:08:14):
same place that we started. They're not going to give
us anything. They're not going to give us information or
help us in any way. We've got to go seek
it out and share it with one another. But if
we're so hought up in dress gate, which is just
purely a metaphor, but if we're so hought up in

(01:08:34):
dressgate and less engaged in discussions about how we're going
to like progress and protect one another, then we're never
going to get there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
And so hopefully, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
By the way, I have to remind myself that there
are many people who are in the mind frame of
building and we really have to find that community and
lock in and move the ball forward.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
It's a good thing what Nas is doing, and he
probably needs some support and you should find out how
you can help him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
I would love to man shout out to Nas and
shout out to all of the partners and hip hop shop,
shout out to those who created this avenue. In this culture.
You know, it gets a lot of flak. I hear
people say, oh, hip hop done so much damage to
us and this and that, and we have to acknowledge
that definitely there was you know, promotions of violence, and

(01:09:32):
people benefited all of that, and a lot of us
didn't know, like, you know, we thought being gangster and
rapping gangster and talking about where we was from, you know,
we didn't know we were motivating a lot of our
youth into that violent culture. We thought that we were
being voices of the people. You know, and when you
realize that you've done harm, then you have to acknowledge
that you're done harm. But hip hop is done a

(01:09:53):
lot for us. There's a lot of people and generations
of people that won't live in poverty, and people who
have opportunities to create systems like NASA is doing right now.
There's people like you know, Meek Mills with the reform,
Like there are avenues that hip hop created that are
going to create change inside our culture and our communities

(01:10:15):
that would never have been here without hip hop. So
I love hip hop and I will hold hip hop
accountable for the negative things that has done, but I
also will celebrate it for the positivity that it's given.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Absolutely, we love hip hop. We are hip hop, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Well, it's a lot of good information today, you know,
I feel like we are. I think twenty twenty six
is going to be a good year. That's just the
way I feel. My my and I know we got
a lot of fights, but I think that we're going
to end up uniting with our people, like the people

(01:10:51):
who are going to fight together, and that for me,
because you're gonna fight one way out of the other.
So I rad the fight with the people who are
all kind of you know, on the same page and
so I feel like we're in a space where folks
know it's time to strap them boots up and less go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Yeah. I agree. I think we've seen the hand of
the enemy. We realize no one is not clear, even
people to say, oh, well, it's not that it's not.
At this point, people know exactly where we are. You know,
we're gonna just have to We're gonna have to come
together with our tribe and do. And with that said,
we come to the end of another episode of TMR.

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