September 4, 2024 • 43 mins
This week Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne discuss their recent family experiences and community events over the holiday. They also are joined by Linda SarSour and discuss the importance of the upcoming presidential election and the need for solidarity with the Palestinian people. They emphasize the need for nuanced conversations and understanding, as well as the importance of consistent activism and organizing beyond the election. They call for an arms embargo on Israel and highlight the interconnectedness of various social justice issues.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika d Mallory and it ship Boy.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
My son is generally we are your host of t
M I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
New name, New Energy. What's going on? My son, Lennon?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am blessed, black and Holly favored. How are you
feeling today?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Doing good? I'm doing good. It was a good Labor
Day weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I had a great family experience, my family Day, which
my mother has a family reunion every two years that
moves around the country. So different family members choose or
vote on. Excuse me, we all vote on the different
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family members who.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Throw their ring in the what do they call it,
their hat in the ring, the hat in the ring.
There you go, hat in the ring to have the
reunion move to their city. So that happens two years.
So this was this year.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
In July, we did my mother's reunion back in my
grandmother's town. Everybody was saying, you know, we want to
go back home. It all started, and so the reunion
was held in July in Monroeville, Alabama. That was great.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And then my family in.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
North Carolina, which is my father's side, they have what
is called a Family Day at my grandmother's house, which
is now my aunt's house in the yard directly connected
to the cotton field where so many of our people,
our ancestors and family members pitt cotton and so you know,
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there's a whole history there.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And up until now, my.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Aunts and uncles and my father, my mother, they were
the ones to handle Family Day. But the last time
we met, which was under unfortunate circumstances, which is the
death of my cousin, we decided as the next generation
would be my generation to take over.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So this was our first year.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Planning Family Day and executing it, which is you know,
kate food and cleaning tape.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And they don't.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Believe in a fully catered experience. They want us and
they have been doing it for many years to work together.
So some you know, different people taking on different responsibility.
Somebody handling t shirts, somebody coordinating the food, other people
ordered the tent, cleaning down the chairs, like that's a
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part of the experience that your actual hands are in
the baking of this this particular event. And we worked
really hard and I got an opportunity to see how
much our aunts and uncles have done in the past
to make sure that something so great could happen for
us every year. When we used to just roll up
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with the sodas, that was our only job, and now
we had to do all of that work. So when
I got home that evening or back to the hotel
that evening, I was filthy from the top of my
head to the bottom of my feet. I had bugs
down in my shirt dead, there was stuff in my eyelashes.
I mean, it was like a it was like war,
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best time in my life. So it was a great
labor day weekend. It's been a great summer of a
lot of family time and you know, also a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Obviously, my book is coming.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And the other thing I've been doing in between working traveling,
whether it was Martha's being or the DNC or the
family days and all of that is sitting down editing,
rewriting stuff, thinking of new things. And you know, on today,
actually Wednesday, the last version of the book is being submitted.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So that's it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
February eleven, I live to tell the story. My book
will be out, and so I think this summer for
me has really been a great summer.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But that's that's that's sounding like a whole lot. Well,
you've been doing a whole lot, man. So first I
want to congratulate you on the book that I already
got my you know, my pre order in.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
You know, I can't wait to get that book and
thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And you know, I know that you work tirestly on
the book and just tiresle period just doing a lot
of things. You wear a lot of different hats, and
so just want to say proud of you for doing
that and pleading that task. My you know, my hasn't
been as as exciting as yours. But you know, we
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didn't we didn't talk about Mariam Day because we missed
an episode, but we didn't talk about how Miriam Day.
My yearly block community event that I do, you know,
to commemorate and bring back the communit that grew up
in since I was three years old. We do it
every year and this was the Knife Annual and it
was a beautiful event. People came out, We fed people,
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We gave away book bags until for a lot of food,
we had crabs and shrimps. Then they don't be giving
out no crabs and shrimps at the community event. But
it was a dope event. Basketball games, face painting, you know,
everybody came out, no incidents, ain't nobody beating nobody up,
no shooting. So that's that's always what we want to do.
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We want to present things to the community that they
can enjoy themselves and there's no violence and it's.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Just love and peace. Man. So we accomplished that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Actually, next year is ten years, so we're trying to
do it real big for the ten year anniversary. As
far as Labor Day weekend, Man, I was with my boys.
They you know, they they soccer champions. So they had
a soccer tournament, the Labor Day Soccer Tournament in which
our I was for Saturday and Sunday. You know, both
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of them played really well, even though they didn't get
the championship. This year in this event, they've been racking
up championships.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But they both played really, really hard. You know.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I love watching them play sports because it reminds me
of the time that I played sports. And unfortunately, you know,
by the time my older my well, Cameron, my oldest
son is twenty six, but Cameron is my middle son
and he just turned thirteen a couple of weeks ago,
and I realized that I didn't have a father at thirteen, right,
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and I played basketball, and I was good at basketball,
but I didn't have like a lot of friends of mine,
they had their fathers at the games, like rooting for
them or just speaking up for them or giving them
some level of energy, And you realize how much you
need that or you want that, right. I used to
go to those tournaments and a lot of kids that
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I played against they had whole families there, and I
really was just dead by myself. A couple of the
teammates we cheered each other, but there was no extra
person there to give me the boost, the energy, to
give me confidence. Like when I wasn't confident, if the
coaches was yelling at me and made me feel like
I didn't do good or me and one of the
players got into something, I had to figure out how
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to get over that by myself, like you know, and it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Was it was a difficult thing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And I know that had I had that that father figure,
that person a family member there with me, I know
I would it went a lot further, you know. So
it's always good watching them play and being able to
be that for them, like even if they're mad and
I'm like, y'all need you to do this and I'm
talking to them. Sometimes they don't want to listen. But
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you see that, you know, coaches, you know, you see
how it resonated. The coaches realize that you're invested in
your child, so they make sure that they treat your
child a certain way. They make sure they give them
certain amount of playing time. They see that you're invested,
so they invest right. So there was there's a there
was a there.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Was a moment in the game and they was playing hard.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
They was down to zero and this team that my
youngest son Kesto was playing against was they were.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Bigger, they were rough. You know, he's playing real.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Rough, and I seen him getting down. I've seen him
like the team was getting down. And then I just
was like, we're not gonna quit. We're gonna play hard.
We're going to go out there and fight. And it
was the time. The guy had did some rough and
pushed him to the floor and he looked like he
wanted to cry, and I said, when out crying, get
up and you're gonna fight back and you're gonna play.
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And there was this energy that he got up with
hearing my voice that it took away the tears that
he was about to have and he even though they lost,
they fought. That last three minutes was like the best
thing I've ever seen. That whole team just fought back
hard like they they didn't just lay down. They didn't
just you know, with their heads down. They fought and
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I clapped for them. Everybody clapped for them because they
seen that. So that was one that was like a
highlight for me. And then afterwards, I told my son,
you know, even though you lost, you played hard man,
and he said, I know, I know, and I said,
and you didn't cry.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So I didn't cry that. I didn't cry, and he wanted.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
To because he got pushed to the ground really hard.
He was It was frustrating. You're trying to do stuff.
These dudes are physically just overwhelming them, and you could
tell he just wasn't They didn't understand that level of physicality,
but they realized that's what it's gonna take to get
to the next level. So so that was pretty much
the highlight of my weekend. You know, I was in
all the way Daddy Mold shout out to both of
my sons, and I was in Grandpop Mods, so I
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had my grandson with me. Then that night too, so
I was in g pop modes, so shout out to
Kasar too well.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
We jumped straight into our interview this and our little
Tumba vacation has not been our regularly scheduled program and
at TMI will be back next week with all the things,
the thought of the day, the eye don't get it,
and just you know, so many of the other components
to our show that we've kind of been taken a
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breather for the summer as we run and do and
events and everything, and just thanking you all so much
for sticking with us. We're gonna have our guests come
in right now have an important conversation with this system.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Who is our asista?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So, as I said, our sister Oura is joining us today.
I think that, you know, one of the.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Reasons why I was it was really heavy on me
to make sure and as we've been talking about all
the way through election day, we're gonna be heavily focused
on this sort of political dynamics and also the issues
that people are concerned about in this election cycle. And
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with these two candidates, I mean there's more, obviously, but
the two dominant which were again we've said that a
million times, will say it again.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
We don't agree that there.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Should only be two parties in place that have an
actual chance of winning. It's unfortunate that the alternative is
that the other people can help one of the two
candidates lose. But we've not been able to figure out
how to get one of those other candidates from a
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third party or independent party to win. And I think
that's something that we have to be very much so
focused on. It's something that you and my son have
been talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
But as we sort of travel down this road election
is coming up. There's a lot of heavy, hot and
heavy talk in this moment about this election season.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
We know that we.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Cannot lose sight of major issues, and one of them
being Palestinian rights, one of them being just looking at
genocide in general, not just in Palestine, but the genocide
that is taking place around the world, even to our
brothers and sisters in the Sudan and Congo, the horrific
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situation in Haiti, which.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
America is all up in all of this.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Like, so everybody understands that, you know, we're really clear
that America is unfortunately a heavy hand in all of
these situations and we want to educate, and so we
wanted Linda to come on today. We're fit, you know,
holidays are over, folks are getting back into you know,
work one and two, focusing on who they're going to
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be voting for in November and what issues they're focused on.
And we just want to make sure that we always
always let the world know that this show and that
we as individuals and collectively will always be a part
of the movement.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
To free Palestine.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
So I want to just thank you Linda for coming
on today, and we love you so much.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Thank you my sister and brother. I love you both
so much.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So let's get started.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
We don't have a long time, but wanted to just
want to talk about Linda because you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Still are not clear on I think, you know, social
media has done a good job and a bad job,
but in this particular situation, I would say TikTok and
Instagram there have been accounts that have done a very
good job of educating people on the history of all
of this. So I don't think we got to go
nineteen forty eight because I'm pretty much a lot of
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people are like, Okay, I get it right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But what I want people.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
To understand is that this idea that black folks have
been engaged in this dialogue, this conversation about Palestine, It's
been going on for a long time, and you educated
me before I even knew on the leaders that we
admire who stood up for Palestinian rights.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Why don't you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Absolutely, I think you're right to make a lot of
pep people know the history nineteen forty eight, It's been
almost seventy seven years of occupation, of displacement of Palestinians.
But what people don't know much about, especially in light
of this controversy and this weird tense conversation that's happening
on the Internet between black folks and Palestinians or pro
Palestinian activist and advocates, is that there's a longstanding history
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that nobody can puncture between black liberation movements and Palestinian
liberation movement anyone who you put your fist up for,
from Malcolm X to Kwame Tuay, to the Black Panther Party,
even to Doctor King. Oftentimes there'll be a mixed kind
of stories and messages about Doctor King, and yes, doctor
King initially saw on the state of Israel and this
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what they at the time were portraying as a liberation movement.
But once he started getting educated, once he started understanding
what was truly happening there, even Doctor King evolved over time,
and so there has been critique of Zionism coming out
of black liberty movements for decades back, and Black leaders
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who have traveled back to Middle Eastern countries, who have
sat with Palestinian leaders have built across borders for years
that this is not a thing. I mean, you could
pull up you know, Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Toure, Malcolm X,
other leaders from the Black Panther Party, anyone from doctor
Angela Davis. I mean, these are the people right now
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that as Black people are fighting for rights, they oftentimes
put forth these names as people who.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Inspire them, who move them.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
And these are people who have been in consistent solidarity
with the Palestinian people throughout their lifetime and even after
some of them have passed their writings, their speeches are
often used in this moment. People like James Baldwin, like,
there's a lot of people who have invoked their opinion
on this issue and oftentimes have seen the Palestinian people
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as the oppressed and have made connections between black people
and Palestinians.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's very important because a lot of people will try
to act like this is not our issue.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know, this is not their issue.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
They don't they haven't been with us and we haven't
been like and that's actually not factual. And you just
pretty much broke that down. So as we look in
this climate right now and where we are in this
presidential election, you know, we're aware of what's going on
in Paliestan. There's a Genoesi happening in palistin in America
is pretty much funding that. You know, we're aware of that,
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and we understand the Palestinians are saying that America has
to stop funding Genosa, the Genosti has to stop. But
there's also a sentiment about the presidential election. We have
a black woman running for the president of the United States,
and the black women has an opportunity to actually be
elected the president.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Of the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So there are black people, black women mainly, and just
black people in general who are willing to figure out
how do we get her elected and how do we
still will support Palestinians right. So that's a very it's
a very slippery slope because we want to be able
to call out America, right, But we also understand the
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time we're in. We understand the alternative to what that
looks like. So what do you say to the people
that say, hey, this is causing more division if we
are not together and aligned with the you know, the Palestinians,
or it's causing more division we're not aligned all the
way with getting Kama Harris elected.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I really appreciate that Mice, because nobody wants to have
the nuanced conversation. People want it to be black and white. Yes,
this know that, and that's it. What I'll say here
is and I'll say this to black folks in general.
And you know, I feel like I have long standing
relationships and I love black people and I always believe
and I will always believe that when black people are free,
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we're all going to be free. And I just want
to ask for grace, want to I want people to
understand that one Palacedinians are speaking, we are speaking from
a place of deep hurt, a place of deep grief
and trauma. This is something that's happening. There's a genocide
that's happening today right now, where our family members are
literally being blown up to smithereens today. This is not
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like a historical event where we're reminding ourselves of something
that happened thirty years ago or one hundred years ago.
This is today. So when you see these conversations and
people are lashing out on this election and lashing out
on Kamala and lashing out on Joe Biden and this
moment right now, it's because they're speaking through hurt. They're
speaking through perpetual funerals that are happening multiple times a
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day in Gaza and right now also in the West Bank.
So I'm saying to people right now is that we
have to find this complicated place to sit in where
we look at one another and we understand, and you
understand why a Palestinian is outraged in this moment and
does maybe not want to participate in democracy. Maybe they
want to only vote on the local level, Maybe they
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don't want to vote for Kamala, maybe they don't want
to vote for anyone running for maybe they want to
vote for a third party. Just giving them that moment
of just understanding in this moment, as I also understand
why some black people are saying, Look, I'm outraged at
what's happening in Palestine.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
I want to demand in arms embargo, I want an
immediate ceasefire. I want to see the bloodshed of this
children end. But I also want to vote for Kamala Harris.
We have to have this full conversation where we understand
where everybody's coming from. There is no necessarily right or wrong,
because we can't tell people how to feel in this
moment right now, because I'm telling you people are experiencing
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the trauma. It's not just that the United States government
is funding the genocide. They have aided and embedded this
genocide from day one, and even during a genocide, this
administration has sold multiple weapon deals to the State of Israel.
So when we see those bombs drop, it's not that
we're just sad and outraged that the bombs drop, But
when the Palestinians pick up the shrapnel from the bomb,
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it says made in the USA. And so that's the
visceral reaction that a lot of Palestinians must. Women's Arabs
who are connected to this outrage and genocide, our feeling
right now and I just want to ask our black
sitism brothers to understand that deep trauma that people are feeling.
That they're not anti black or they're not like we
don't care about your future or what happens to you
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if there is a Donald Trump. They are just feeling
a visceral reaction in this moment because that genocide is
real and it's live literally live stream, every single day.
And so I think our work Mice and Tamika is
going to be really important the selection season. How do
we keep people in it to participate? How do we
get people encouraged to go to the polls because the
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opposition doesn't want us to go to the polls. They
don't want Black people to go to the polls, and
they don't want Muslims to go to the polls. And
you remember, we were in Michigan back in twenty twenty
and we were on the line and we saw voter
suppression firsthand. Literally I got it on video watching voter
people working voting booths being like, Oh, it's closed, but
it's supposed to close at five o'clock.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
It's three o'clock. How are you closing two hours early?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
We watch people being told that it was already eight
o'clock and people were already on the line. And we
know the law says if you are on the line,
it don't matter if you didn't vote yet. You got
to vote if you're already on the line, So I
know voter suppression is real. I think for me encouraging
our people to vote down ballot, to participate in the selection,
to understand things like Project twenty twenty five, what the
impact is is going to be on all of our communities,
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not just for us to do a solidarity vote and say, oh,
we want to vote because of our Latino neighbors or
undocumented neighbors or whatever, which is true and we should
have always been in solidarity with one another, but also
for us because the stuff that's going down in this
country also impacts era of Muslim voters. But again, my
approach is always to just listen and understand that people
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are deeply hurt, and I'm not going to patronize them
and I'm not going to make them feel like, oh,
you're a one issued person, because it's hard not to
be one issued when your family's literal life is on
the line, like this is about death and life of
four people's loved ones.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah, well, when people tell me that it's a one
issue vote, push back against that. And I neglected when
I spoke of the genocide and the Sudan, the genocide
and the Congo.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I see now there is a push to have people to.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Boycott the iPhone sixteen because when you get down to
the details of what is happening in some of these
African countries, it has a lot to do with the
stealing of resources, natural resources that makes up the technology
that we use for our cell phones and for all
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the little gadgets that we enjoy. And I'm actually going
to invite some folks to come on and we'll have
a show where we will.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Really dive into the direct connection.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But I neglected to mention that there's genocide that happens
here in the United States all the time. When we
think about and it just looks different, you know, genocide.
To some people, it looks like, like you said, family
members being blown to smithereen, you're looking at it on
your cell phone.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
This is happening in real time. But there are.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Also places where in this society children are starving to
death and it is not happening just by happenstance.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
There are actual circumstances.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
And people who are okay with and want to see
in fact, our.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Children not have the ability what.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Do they say to self determination and success in their communities?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And so these.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Areas, these communities have been designed a certain way, and
our people are suffering and dying, the bloodshed, the gun
violence that happens in our society, not just to black folks,
but in we know, school settings and in churches. And
why is that happening Because someone is making money off
of the weapons that are being used in those incidents.
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Black people do not make guns, and yet it is
the number one killer of young black men. We are
dealing with a number of things, health concerns, right, health
issues for black women and black men that could be solved,
could be solved by their being less of an investment
in sending weapons to Israel and more of an investment
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in building hospitals and the proper treatment for those people
who are suffering and dying right here in this country.
And so this is not a one issue vote because
it's all connected. And now we think about I'm sitting
in the city of Atlanta right now, where a cop
city they're fighting like hell to be able to build
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cop city, which would give the IDs, the people who
are doing the physical killing of Palestinians, to be able
to come here in other places around this country and
continue to train our police officers. I mean, this is
all very much so connected, and so as you said,
I don't even know that I can say, Oh, my
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vote or my voice or my position on this is
just solidarity with the Palaestinians.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's solidarity with my damn self.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You know, our own family members are suffering.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And I was just telling my son, I spent two
months with my family family reunion's family day, and as
I traveled through the country, like right, my family's from
the woods, I see it the suffering. You know, a
lot of people who live in the city, you don't
get to see people living on the back roads and
in trailer parks who are suffering immensely. And so, you know,
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we got to be in solidarity with our own people
and not just be so excited about the moment, but
at least be able to commit to what the fight
looks like afterwards. And that's my next question to you,
is what is the big ask at this point?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know, as you said it wasn't just have a
speaking spot at the DNC.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That would have been a way for the.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Democratic Party to show their respect and their solidarity with
the Palaestinian community. And I think it was a missed opportunity.
Everyone that I know, from Angela Ride to Charlemagne, to
God and in between have said it was a miss
Tanah she Coapes was there with us as we were
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with the uncommitted community. We were in solidarity past to
Mike McBride, pastor Tracy black Men. We were there through
the day and night trying to fight with the Democratic
Party to allow a speaker.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
But that is not the main goal.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
And so please talk about what is the big ass
and how can we help to even in saying some
of us will vote for Kamala Harrison November, how can
we help to ensure that the big ass is what
we are all focused on.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I appreciate that to make God. I mean, it's very simple.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
There's a few things that I'll say to folks as
we're kind of going through this election. It's going to
be it's not gonna be easy, and the conversations are
going to continue. I'd say, number one, do not let
one election divide our communities. Right, this election is going
to be over in about sixty four to sixty five days.
Do not let one election cycle be the reason why
we forfeit our solidarity, our relationships, all the work that
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many of us have done with one another. So that's
one we stay focused. We have the courageous conversation, we
have the political debates, but don't let it divide our
people in our communities and our movement.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's one.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Number two.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
For those of you who have friends, colleagues, co workers,
people you may know on the internet that you know,
that's another thing. Don't be arguing as strangers on the
internet as if you all have each other's best interest
at heart. Here you don't know these people from a
hole in the wall, but definitely struggle with people that
you know. I say to people all the time that
right now is in a moment to say to somebody
who looks you in the eye and says, I'm not
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voting for Kamala Harris, I'm so outraged. And instead of
saying to them, you're self centered, you're one issued, you
should say to them, you know what, I'm going to
vote for Kamala Harris, and I promise you that when
I do that, I'm also going to still be fighting
for the Palestinian people. I'm also going to be fighting
for all marginalized people. Letting people understand and give them
an opening to come into the conversation that you want
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to have with them. I think what people are worried
about is that people are going to vote one way
and then they're just going to leave the Palestinian people
and kind of move from here. And what we know
is there's a looming genocide that is also now in
the West Bank. So this is not just the Gazo anymore.
This is now in the West Bank, and we are
in literal danger of losing our land and our people.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Like this is that kind of moment that we're living
in history.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
So I'm telling people all the time, have courageous conversations
that include empathy, that include trying to understand where people
are coming from. Just say you know, I hear you,
I see what you're saying. I watch those videos too.
I can't imagine what it feels like for you to
watch the video. When I'm watching a video of people
I don't know, I may not be connected to it.
I'm horrified by what I see. The third is Joe
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Biden is still the president of the United States of America.
Whether people want me to convince me that he's still
in his right mind or not, I don't care. His
administration is still the administration. We need to continue to
demand in arms in bargo. The United Kingdom just recently
did that in a semi sort of embargo on time
life weapons, weapons licenses. At least something right, meaning that
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the people rising up in the UK are getting some
sort of results. So we need this administration to say
to themselves, we cannot be in the business of violating
domestic and international law, which we are, by the way,
violating our own United States law that's on the books.
We need an arms in bargo. Stop sending weapons to
the State of Israel during this genocide. I think it's
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a reasonable ask. I think any normal person that you
talk to that sees the weapons and sees the murder
and sees the bloodshed is saying, yeah, stop sending these
people the weapons. We got to stop the killing. So
demanding an arms embargo from this administration is absolutely key.
So don't forget that Joe Biden and his administration, they
are still in power, right now. And the last thing
that I'll say is that we got to keep going.
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And we said this before and we always say it.
It's an unfortunate situation for marginalized people. Let's just say
Kamala Harris does become the President of the United State
of America, and let's say her inaugurations on January twentieth
of twenty twenty five. January twenty first, we're supposed to
be outside. We're supposed to be outside on Palestine, on
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raising the federal minimum wage, on expanding voting rights, on
immigration reform and refugee rights, like, we just got to
be people who are consistent.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
And one critique that I have to make it. You
know this, I say this to people all the time.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Don't come to me every four years and start trying
to tell me what to do and tell me this
is how I should vote and this is how I
should not vote.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
What are you doing in between the four years?
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Because I know me, Tamika and maisn we outside three
hundred and sixty five days of the year, maybe not
three sixty five, maybe more like three hundred forty, but
we outside. We organize on a daily basis. We build resiliency,
and power on a daily basis. We build campaigns, we've
organized many of you know the work that we've done.
So my thing is that if you want a third
party and a fourth party and a fifth party, and
we deserve that, because that's actually how a lot of
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democracies around the world work. No other democracy really has
two prominent parties. Do okay, cool, what are you going
to do tomorrow, the day after that, and the day
after that? Because in order for us to build a
viable third, fourth, fifth parties, and we shouldn't have just
one more party. It shouldn't be us. Let's build one
major party in addition to the two. We should be
able to build three four powerful parties that align with
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our values or align with the values of different people,
and do the work. That means petition signatures, that means
building statewide conventions, building state party apparatus where we actually
have staff in our parties so that we could do
the work around, so we could be working up and
down the ballots every year, not just every four years.
And I think that's what I'm asking you. I'm calling
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people to the mattress. Let's commit to organizing every day
for our people and not just wake up to organize
around an election. And I'm not saying elections aren't important.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
You already know me.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I'm an electoral organizer for twenty three years. But I
also understand the power of building between elections.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That's always been my point of view.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
That's you know, when we when we the last election,
I said, we need something different and we should have
been you know, organizing and our old whole strategy that
we were never fighting for an ally, we were fighting
for a better opponent. And I think that's still true
today and I think understanding as we look at both opponents,
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we understand who we got it easier fight with, you know,
but the fight definitely remains so like like you said,
Samika said, it's November six, you said, after inauguration, But
it definitely has to be consistent, you know, because all
of these issues and everything that we've been fighting.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
For is not going to come when we're not consistent.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
If we look at all the communities who actually get changed,
you actually get things.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Is consistency.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And I want to again, I want to take my
hat off to the Palace things because the level of
consistency that they have being able to create uncommitted movement
and get hundreds of thousands of people to get on
board with one thing is what it's what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
And I think if we.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Take the power that we all have and we combine
it with the consistency that you guys have shown, you know,
the resilience that even through all these things, that you
continue to show in the way that you continue to
stay on tone and on course to get what it
is that you want to fight for justice and fight
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to fight, you know, to stop the genocide is what
it's going to take.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So this, this solidary and the legions is necessary. Right.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You always say, you know, you understand that when black
people free, everybody to be free. And when we all
understand that when everybody is free, all of us are
going to be free. And we utilize the same strategies
and tactics and tenacity and we and we we create
that into an infrastructure, that's what it's going to take
for us to actually get what we want as all
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of us. So I just want to let you know
that we are one in solidarity. Yes, I've been I've
been adamant about me making sure that I vote for
COMMA because what it is to me, which Trump represents.
It's something that just is so anti my spirit, you know,
like you know it's some people don't. I don't know
about everybody else, but every time I listen and I
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see Trump, it's something that's demonic did to me. It's
not like some simple shit. It's just not like always
the president I can go to sleep. It is turned
into something that it bothers my spirit. So as I
fight against you know that it's essential that we always
talk about and that spirit. I still want to fight
for the Palestinians, and I will fight.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
For the Pelists, and I know you will. And I
just want to say this for folks that listen to
your podcast. You know, to be clear, Palestinians, if you
look at some recent polling that came out, ain't no
Palestinian ziono and ain't no Muslim Ziono voting for Donald Trump.
And that is something that I also tell people all
the time when you're talking to people outline and you're
trying to convince them, don't use Donald Trump as a
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fear mongering targ at least not for the Palestinians and
the Muslims in the Arabs.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Because these people know, they know all about Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
They went through four years with him, They went through
Muslim band, they were over four hundred thousand. People were
separated from their families like a lot of things without.
Millions of people were separated from grandmother's, grandmother's, husband's wives, children.
People were stranded in countries like Jibouti and others trying
to reunite with their families because Donald Trump was like, no,
you don't deserve a family. You don't deserve to be
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with your family. So we know Donald Trump, We've experienced him.
So there has been no polling showing that anybody in
our communities or our voters are voting for him. And
I will say, that's exactly what you said, Mice. It's
how do we make a commitment to one another regardless
of what choices people are going to make in this election.
How can we make commitments to each other's communities by saying,
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no matter what happens, no matter in this election, I
must still fight for you. Just because someone's voting or
has decided to vote for Kamala Harris doesn't mean that
they don't want to fight for Palestinians. Just because someone
saying it's not sitting right in my spirit, I might
want to vote for a third party candidate. You know,
for example, in New York it's a blue state, right
And in a state like California, you could actually vote
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any way you want and it's still your state is
going to be a democratic state. But that doesn't mean
that people still don't want to fight for black people
and other marginalized people. I think we're going to come
out of this election with a commitment to keep fighting
for our people. And this is a not a sprint
and to marathon. And we know this, and you know this,
mice from black liberation movements. Black people aren't fully liberated
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in the United States, and they've been fighting for decades,
some would argue centuries in this country. But we're seeing it,
we're getting closer to it. So the question becomes, can
we believe that one election is not how we're going
to be fully free but it could be and get
us just a little bit closer versus taking us a
little farther back. And I think again, let's have those
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hard conversations. Let's keep getting the people outside, let's keep
registering those voters, because the one thing I'm not going
to do is I'm not forfeiting my right to participate
in this democracy. I'm not forfeiting my community's right to
participate in this democracy. And I just want people to
know that no matter what, we're going to fight with
one another, and Donald Trump cannot cannot become the president
of the United States of America.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Again, Yeah, that's a complete no for me, absolutely, And
people will say, well, they'll say, well, genocide is a no.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yes, genocide is a no.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
My access to my bodily autonomy, someone taking that away,
that's a no. Food insecurity is a no. There's so
many things that's a no that we have to figure
out a way to hold all of it at the
same time. And black folks have always had to do that.
And I understand that there are black people out here
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right now who will listen to this and say, I'm
so tired every time we might be in a moment
we can elect a black woman, which is definitely a
significant symbolism for young black girls to see themselves in
that light. Nonetheless, we got to worry about the fact
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that she unfortunately supports genocide. That's just a truth, right,
Like when we hear her say different things. Yes, she's
talked about Palacinian rights and the Palacinian people's right to
self determination and all that's good, but without a policy change, the.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Two things don't align.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
You can't be saying that you're still going to maintain
the same policies and saying that you don't support the
killing at the same time. There has to be a change,
and I truly hope, I hope, I hope, I hope
that we will see a shift, because even if she
believes naively or incorrectly, falsely, whatever words we want to use,
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that somehow she can get these things done. It's like
a woman who's like, I think I can change him,
you know what I mean, Like I can just I
can just talk to him and make him see my
perspective and maybe he'll do the right thing. No, Sis,
he's no good for you, and you have to put
him out your house.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's the only way that this is gonna.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Let me just add this really quickly to what you're
saying to me, because just to make sure I make
this point.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
My worry here is.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
That the risk of the calculation that the Democratic Party
is making, right, they're making They're taking a risk here,
This is a gamble, and they're gambling that other voters who.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
May be in.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Exclusive support of the State of Israel or whatever are
the people she's targeting. She's talking to a different, more
center right voter. She wants Republicans, she wants independent voters.
They do it every time, every time, and they move
They're moving us to the right, not just on Palestine,
but on a lot of issues, as you know, from
abolishing from removing the abolition of the death penalty, from
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talking about the ways in which they talk about all
these class.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Middle class is not that's not relevant to most black people.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
That's exactly that's right.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
And so for me, I'm just saying I'm sitting back
saying I'm gonna do my part. You know, we're all
going to organize, We're not going to just sit at home.
But at the end of the day, the Democratic Party
has made it very clear, in my opinion, sending a
clear signal to a lot to some young voters, to Arab,
Muslim Palestinian anti war voters, that we are going to
sacrifice to you in this election because we think these
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people are the ones that are going to turn out
and we need them more than we need you. And
let's see what happens on November fifth. That's the worry
that I have here that there's been a calculation. In
my opinion, it's going to be a miscalculation. So let's
you what happens.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, let's hope not. I want to believe.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
You know, as I've been saying, Kamala Harris is my
sorority sister.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I know the oath that we take, right, the oath
that we take.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I want to believe that she will have to consider
that attending HBCUs I know what happens.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
There is an indoctrination that happens about being.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
A good person that does right by people, that uphold
some level of dignity and integrity. And I want to
believe that once she gets into office and she has
the power to make certain decisions that our voices and
the descent, because there will still absolutely be descent, that
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I will be a part of that, it helps to
shift her thinking and that she understands clearly, I can't
hold I can't try to be on both sides of this.
I'm gonna have to pick a side and make some
very very very specific moves.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
That's what I want to believe.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I don't know, but it's what I have to be
able to believe in this moment, because if we don't
have hope, we have nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And that's so that's where I am. God knows that.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
It doesn't you know, it feels it's it's scary. You know,
we're here to say it's scary. But this is a
very important moment and I just appreciate your sisterhood and
what we're doing. And I better go to the airport else.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
I would literally want to say, I want to believe
that you will get to the airport at the top.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Make it on my flight. Love you so much, Linda, I.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Love you both so much.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Well, my son, Lennon, I have literally twenty four minutes
to make it to the airport, and the airport is
thirty two minutes away.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
So I don't know how that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You're gonna make it because you know why, because we're
about to end this episode. Shout out to our sister
Linders I saw and shout out to all the Palestinian
Shout out to all the black women, Shout.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Out to everybody. We are in a very pucial moment
right now.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
But we understand that our solidarity is necessary, it is needed, and.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
It is mandatory.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So we're gonna end this episode shout out to our
all of our fans at TMM. Continue to let us
know that we're the best show in the world. We're
gonna continue to bring you all of the politics for
the until this election. We're gonna have people here who
have very strong voices and opinion. So I'm not gonna
always be right. Tamika d Marriage and I can always
be wrong, but we will both always and I mean always,
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be authentic.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
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feeling today?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Doing good? I'm doing good. It was a good Labor
Day weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I had a great family experience, my family Day, which
my mother has a family reunion every two years that
moves around the country. So different family members choose or
vote on. Excuse me, we all vote on the different
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family members who.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Throw their ring in the what do they call it,
their hat in the ring, the hat in the ring.
There you go, hat in the ring to have the
reunion move to their city. So that happens two years.
So this was this year.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
In July, we did my mother's reunion back in my
grandmother's town. Everybody was saying, you know, we want to
go back home. It all started, and so the reunion
was held in July in Monroeville, Alabama. That was great.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And then my family in.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
North Carolina, which is my father's side, they have what
is called a Family Day at my grandmother's house, which
is now my aunt's house in the yard directly connected
to the cotton field where so many of our people,
our ancestors and family members pitt cotton and so you know,
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there's a whole history there.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And up until now, my.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Aunts and uncles and my father, my mother, they were
the ones to handle Family Day. But the last time
we met, which was under unfortunate circumstances, which is the
death of my cousin, we decided as the next generation
would be my generation to take over.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So this was our first year.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Planning Family Day and executing it, which is you know,
kate food and cleaning tape.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And they don't.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Believe in a fully catered experience. They want us and
they have been doing it for many years to work together.
So some you know, different people taking on different responsibility.
Somebody handling t shirts, somebody coordinating the food, other people
ordered the tent, cleaning down the chairs, like that's a
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part of the experience that your actual hands are in
the baking of this this particular event. And we worked
really hard and I got an opportunity to see how
much our aunts and uncles have done in the past
to make sure that something so great could happen for
us every year. When we used to just roll up
(03:00):
with the sodas, that was our only job, and now
we had to do all of that work. So when
I got home that evening or back to the hotel
that evening, I was filthy from the top of my
head to the bottom of my feet. I had bugs
down in my shirt dead, there was stuff in my eyelashes.
I mean, it was like a it was like war,
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best time in my life. So it was a great
labor day weekend. It's been a great summer of a
lot of family time and you know, also a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Obviously, my book is coming.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And the other thing I've been doing in between working traveling,
whether it was Martha's being or the DNC or the
family days and all of that is sitting down editing,
rewriting stuff, thinking of new things. And you know, on today,
actually Wednesday, the last version of the book is being submitted.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So that's it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
February eleven, I live to tell the story. My book
will be out, and so I think this summer for
me has really been a great summer.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But that's that's that's sounding like a whole lot. Well,
you've been doing a whole lot, man. So first I
want to congratulate you on the book that I already
got my you know, my pre order in.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
You know, I can't wait to get that book and
thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And you know, I know that you work tirestly on
the book and just tiresle period just doing a lot
of things. You wear a lot of different hats, and
so just want to say proud of you for doing
that and pleading that task. My you know, my hasn't
been as as exciting as yours. But you know, we
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didn't we didn't talk about Mariam Day because we missed
an episode, but we didn't talk about how Miriam Day.
My yearly block community event that I do, you know,
to commemorate and bring back the communit that grew up
in since I was three years old. We do it
every year and this was the Knife Annual and it
was a beautiful event. People came out, We fed people,
(05:10):
We gave away book bags until for a lot of food,
we had crabs and shrimps. Then they don't be giving
out no crabs and shrimps at the community event. But
it was a dope event. Basketball games, face painting, you know,
everybody came out, no incidents, ain't nobody beating nobody up,
no shooting. So that's that's always what we want to do.
(05:31):
We want to present things to the community that they
can enjoy themselves and there's no violence and it's.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Just love and peace. Man. So we accomplished that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Actually, next year is ten years, so we're trying to
do it real big for the ten year anniversary. As
far as Labor Day weekend, Man, I was with my boys.
They you know, they they soccer champions. So they had
a soccer tournament, the Labor Day Soccer Tournament in which
our I was for Saturday and Sunday. You know, both
(06:03):
of them played really well, even though they didn't get
the championship. This year in this event, they've been racking
up championships.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But they both played really, really hard. You know.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I love watching them play sports because it reminds me
of the time that I played sports. And unfortunately, you know,
by the time my older my well, Cameron, my oldest
son is twenty six, but Cameron is my middle son
and he just turned thirteen a couple of weeks ago,
and I realized that I didn't have a father at thirteen, right,
(06:39):
and I played basketball, and I was good at basketball,
but I didn't have like a lot of friends of mine,
they had their fathers at the games, like rooting for
them or just speaking up for them or giving them
some level of energy, And you realize how much you
need that or you want that, right. I used to
go to those tournaments and a lot of kids that
(07:00):
I played against they had whole families there, and I
really was just dead by myself. A couple of the
teammates we cheered each other, but there was no extra
person there to give me the boost, the energy, to
give me confidence. Like when I wasn't confident, if the
coaches was yelling at me and made me feel like
I didn't do good or me and one of the
players got into something, I had to figure out how
(07:22):
to get over that by myself, like you know, and it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Was it was a difficult thing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And I know that had I had that that father figure,
that person a family member there with me, I know
I would it went a lot further, you know. So
it's always good watching them play and being able to
be that for them, like even if they're mad and
I'm like, y'all need you to do this and I'm
talking to them. Sometimes they don't want to listen. But
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you see that, you know, coaches, you know, you see
how it resonated. The coaches realize that you're invested in
your child, so they make sure that they treat your
child a certain way. They make sure they give them
certain amount of playing time. They see that you're invested,
so they invest right. So there was there's a there
was a there.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Was a moment in the game and they was playing hard.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
They was down to zero and this team that my
youngest son Kesto was playing against was they were.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Bigger, they were rough. You know, he's playing real.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Rough, and I seen him getting down. I've seen him
like the team was getting down. And then I just
was like, we're not gonna quit. We're gonna play hard.
We're going to go out there and fight. And it
was the time. The guy had did some rough and
pushed him to the floor and he looked like he
wanted to cry, and I said, when out crying, get
up and you're gonna fight back and you're gonna play.
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And there was this energy that he got up with
hearing my voice that it took away the tears that
he was about to have and he even though they lost,
they fought. That last three minutes was like the best
thing I've ever seen. That whole team just fought back
hard like they they didn't just lay down. They didn't
just you know, with their heads down. They fought and
(09:01):
I clapped for them. Everybody clapped for them because they
seen that. So that was one that was like a
highlight for me. And then afterwards, I told my son,
you know, even though you lost, you played hard man,
and he said, I know, I know, and I said,
and you didn't cry.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So I didn't cry that. I didn't cry, and he wanted.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
To because he got pushed to the ground really hard.
He was It was frustrating. You're trying to do stuff.
These dudes are physically just overwhelming them, and you could
tell he just wasn't They didn't understand that level of physicality,
but they realized that's what it's gonna take to get
to the next level. So so that was pretty much
the highlight of my weekend. You know, I was in
all the way Daddy Mold shout out to both of
my sons, and I was in Grandpop Mods, so I
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had my grandson with me. Then that night too, so
I was in g pop modes, so shout out to
Kasar too well.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
We jumped straight into our interview this and our little
Tumba vacation has not been our regularly scheduled program and
at TMI will be back next week with all the things,
the thought of the day, the eye don't get it,
and just you know, so many of the other components
to our show that we've kind of been taken a
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breather for the summer as we run and do and
events and everything, and just thanking you all so much
for sticking with us. We're gonna have our guests come
in right now have an important conversation with this system.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Who is our asista?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So, as I said, our sister Oura is joining us today.
I think that, you know, one of the.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Reasons why I was it was really heavy on me
to make sure and as we've been talking about all
the way through election day, we're gonna be heavily focused
on this sort of political dynamics and also the issues
that people are concerned about in this election cycle. And
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with these two candidates, I mean there's more, obviously, but
the two dominant which were again we've said that a
million times, will say it again.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
We don't agree that there.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Should only be two parties in place that have an
actual chance of winning. It's unfortunate that the alternative is
that the other people can help one of the two
candidates lose. But we've not been able to figure out
how to get one of those other candidates from a
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third party or independent party to win. And I think
that's something that we have to be very much so
focused on. It's something that you and my son have
been talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
But as we sort of travel down this road election
is coming up. There's a lot of heavy, hot and
heavy talk in this moment about this election season.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
We know that we.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Cannot lose sight of major issues, and one of them
being Palestinian rights, one of them being just looking at
genocide in general, not just in Palestine, but the genocide
that is taking place around the world, even to our
brothers and sisters in the Sudan and Congo, the horrific
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situation in Haiti, which.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
America is all up in all of this.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Like, so everybody understands that, you know, we're really clear
that America is unfortunately a heavy hand in all of
these situations and we want to educate, and so we
wanted Linda to come on today. We're fit, you know,
holidays are over, folks are getting back into you know,
work one and two, focusing on who they're going to
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be voting for in November and what issues they're focused on.
And we just want to make sure that we always
always let the world know that this show and that
we as individuals and collectively will always be a part
of the movement.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
To free Palestine.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
So I want to just thank you Linda for coming
on today, and we love you so much.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Thank you my sister and brother. I love you both
so much.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So let's get started.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
We don't have a long time, but wanted to just
want to talk about Linda because you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Still are not clear on I think, you know, social
media has done a good job and a bad job,
but in this particular situation, I would say TikTok and
Instagram there have been accounts that have done a very
good job of educating people on the history of all
of this. So I don't think we got to go
nineteen forty eight because I'm pretty much a lot of
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people are like, Okay, I get it right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But what I want people.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
To understand is that this idea that black folks have
been engaged in this dialogue, this conversation about Palestine, It's
been going on for a long time, and you educated
me before I even knew on the leaders that we
admire who stood up for Palestinian rights.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Why don't you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Absolutely, I think you're right to make a lot of
pep people know the history nineteen forty eight, It's been
almost seventy seven years of occupation, of displacement of Palestinians.
But what people don't know much about, especially in light
of this controversy and this weird tense conversation that's happening
on the Internet between black folks and Palestinians or pro
Palestinian activist and advocates, is that there's a longstanding history
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that nobody can puncture between black liberation movements and Palestinian
liberation movement anyone who you put your fist up for,
from Malcolm X to Kwame Tuay, to the Black Panther Party,
even to Doctor King. Oftentimes there'll be a mixed kind
of stories and messages about Doctor King, and yes, doctor
King initially saw on the state of Israel and this
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what they at the time were portraying as a liberation movement.
But once he started getting educated, once he started understanding
what was truly happening there, even Doctor King evolved over time,
and so there has been critique of Zionism coming out
of black liberty movements for decades back, and Black leaders
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who have traveled back to Middle Eastern countries, who have
sat with Palestinian leaders have built across borders for years
that this is not a thing. I mean, you could
pull up you know, Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Toure, Malcolm X,
other leaders from the Black Panther Party, anyone from doctor
Angela Davis. I mean, these are the people right now
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that as Black people are fighting for rights, they oftentimes
put forth these names as people who.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Inspire them, who move them.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
And these are people who have been in consistent solidarity
with the Palestinian people throughout their lifetime and even after
some of them have passed their writings, their speeches are
often used in this moment. People like James Baldwin, like,
there's a lot of people who have invoked their opinion
on this issue and oftentimes have seen the Palestinian people
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as the oppressed and have made connections between black people
and Palestinians.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's very important because a lot of people will try
to act like this is not our issue.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know, this is not their issue.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
They don't they haven't been with us and we haven't
been like and that's actually not factual. And you just
pretty much broke that down. So as we look in
this climate right now and where we are in this
presidential election, you know, we're aware of what's going on
in Paliestan. There's a Genoesi happening in palistin in America
is pretty much funding that. You know, we're aware of that,
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and we understand the Palestinians are saying that America has
to stop funding Genosa, the Genosti has to stop. But
there's also a sentiment about the presidential election. We have
a black woman running for the president of the United States,
and the black women has an opportunity to actually be
elected the president.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Of the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So there are black people, black women mainly, and just
black people in general who are willing to figure out
how do we get her elected and how do we
still will support Palestinians right. So that's a very it's
a very slippery slope because we want to be able
to call out America, right, But we also understand the
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time we're in. We understand the alternative to what that
looks like. So what do you say to the people
that say, hey, this is causing more division if we
are not together and aligned with the you know, the Palestinians,
or it's causing more division we're not aligned all the
way with getting Kama Harris elected.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I really appreciate that Mice, because nobody wants to have
the nuanced conversation. People want it to be black and white. Yes,
this know that, and that's it. What I'll say here
is and I'll say this to black folks in general.
And you know, I feel like I have long standing
relationships and I love black people and I always believe
and I will always believe that when black people are free,
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we're all going to be free. And I just want
to ask for grace, want to I want people to
understand that one Palacedinians are speaking, we are speaking from
a place of deep hurt, a place of deep grief
and trauma. This is something that's happening. There's a genocide
that's happening today right now, where our family members are
literally being blown up to smithereens today. This is not
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like a historical event where we're reminding ourselves of something
that happened thirty years ago or one hundred years ago.
This is today. So when you see these conversations and
people are lashing out on this election and lashing out
on Kamala and lashing out on Joe Biden and this
moment right now, it's because they're speaking through hurt. They're
speaking through perpetual funerals that are happening multiple times a
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day in Gaza and right now also in the West Bank.
So I'm saying to people right now is that we
have to find this complicated place to sit in where
we look at one another and we understand, and you
understand why a Palestinian is outraged in this moment and
does maybe not want to participate in democracy. Maybe they
want to only vote on the local level, Maybe they
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don't want to vote for Kamala, maybe they don't want
to vote for anyone running for maybe they want to
vote for a third party. Just giving them that moment
of just understanding in this moment, as I also understand
why some black people are saying, Look, I'm outraged at
what's happening in Palestine.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
I want to demand in arms embargo, I want an
immediate ceasefire. I want to see the bloodshed of this
children end. But I also want to vote for Kamala Harris.
We have to have this full conversation where we understand
where everybody's coming from. There is no necessarily right or wrong,
because we can't tell people how to feel in this
moment right now, because I'm telling you people are experiencing
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the trauma. It's not just that the United States government
is funding the genocide. They have aided and embedded this
genocide from day one, and even during a genocide, this
administration has sold multiple weapon deals to the State of Israel.
So when we see those bombs drop, it's not that
we're just sad and outraged that the bombs drop, But
when the Palestinians pick up the shrapnel from the bomb,
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it says made in the USA. And so that's the
visceral reaction that a lot of Palestinians must. Women's Arabs
who are connected to this outrage and genocide, our feeling
right now and I just want to ask our black
sitism brothers to understand that deep trauma that people are feeling.
That they're not anti black or they're not like we
don't care about your future or what happens to you
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if there is a Donald Trump. They are just feeling
a visceral reaction in this moment because that genocide is
real and it's live literally live stream, every single day.
And so I think our work Mice and Tamika is
going to be really important the selection season. How do
we keep people in it to participate? How do we
get people encouraged to go to the polls because the
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opposition doesn't want us to go to the polls. They
don't want Black people to go to the polls, and
they don't want Muslims to go to the polls. And
you remember, we were in Michigan back in twenty twenty
and we were on the line and we saw voter
suppression firsthand. Literally I got it on video watching voter
people working voting booths being like, Oh, it's closed, but
it's supposed to close at five o'clock.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
It's three o'clock. How are you closing two hours early?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
We watch people being told that it was already eight
o'clock and people were already on the line. And we
know the law says if you are on the line,
it don't matter if you didn't vote yet. You got
to vote if you're already on the line, So I
know voter suppression is real. I think for me encouraging
our people to vote down ballot, to participate in the selection,
to understand things like Project twenty twenty five, what the
impact is is going to be on all of our communities,
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not just for us to do a solidarity vote and say, oh,
we want to vote because of our Latino neighbors or
undocumented neighbors or whatever, which is true and we should
have always been in solidarity with one another, but also
for us because the stuff that's going down in this
country also impacts era of Muslim voters. But again, my
approach is always to just listen and understand that people
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are deeply hurt, and I'm not going to patronize them
and I'm not going to make them feel like, oh,
you're a one issued person, because it's hard not to
be one issued when your family's literal life is on
the line, like this is about death and life of
four people's loved ones.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah, well, when people tell me that it's a one
issue vote, push back against that. And I neglected when
I spoke of the genocide and the Sudan, the genocide
and the Congo.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I see now there is a push to have people to.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Boycott the iPhone sixteen because when you get down to
the details of what is happening in some of these
African countries, it has a lot to do with the
stealing of resources, natural resources that makes up the technology
that we use for our cell phones and for all
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the little gadgets that we enjoy. And I'm actually going
to invite some folks to come on and we'll have
a show where we will.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Really dive into the direct connection.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But I neglected to mention that there's genocide that happens
here in the United States all the time. When we
think about and it just looks different, you know, genocide.
To some people, it looks like, like you said, family
members being blown to smithereen, you're looking at it on
your cell phone.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
This is happening in real time. But there are.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Also places where in this society children are starving to
death and it is not happening just by happenstance.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
There are actual circumstances.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
And people who are okay with and want to see
in fact, our.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Children not have the ability what.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Do they say to self determination and success in their communities?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And so these.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Areas, these communities have been designed a certain way, and
our people are suffering and dying, the bloodshed, the gun
violence that happens in our society, not just to black folks,
but in we know, school settings and in churches. And
why is that happening Because someone is making money off
of the weapons that are being used in those incidents.
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Black people do not make guns, and yet it is
the number one killer of young black men. We are
dealing with a number of things, health concerns, right, health
issues for black women and black men that could be solved,
could be solved by their being less of an investment
in sending weapons to Israel and more of an investment
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in building hospitals and the proper treatment for those people
who are suffering and dying right here in this country.
And so this is not a one issue vote because
it's all connected. And now we think about I'm sitting
in the city of Atlanta right now, where a cop
city they're fighting like hell to be able to build
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cop city, which would give the IDs, the people who
are doing the physical killing of Palestinians, to be able
to come here in other places around this country and
continue to train our police officers. I mean, this is
all very much so connected, and so as you said,
I don't even know that I can say, Oh, my
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vote or my voice or my position on this is
just solidarity with the Palaestinians.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's solidarity with my damn self.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You know, our own family members are suffering.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And I was just telling my son, I spent two
months with my family family reunion's family day, and as
I traveled through the country, like right, my family's from
the woods, I see it the suffering. You know, a
lot of people who live in the city, you don't
get to see people living on the back roads and
in trailer parks who are suffering immensely. And so, you know,
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we got to be in solidarity with our own people
and not just be so excited about the moment, but
at least be able to commit to what the fight
looks like afterwards. And that's my next question to you,
is what is the big ask at this point?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know, as you said it wasn't just have a
speaking spot at the DNC.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That would have been a way for the.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Democratic Party to show their respect and their solidarity with
the Palaestinian community. And I think it was a missed opportunity.
Everyone that I know, from Angela Ride to Charlemagne, to
God and in between have said it was a miss
Tanah she Coapes was there with us as we were
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with the uncommitted community. We were in solidarity past to
Mike McBride, pastor Tracy black Men. We were there through
the day and night trying to fight with the Democratic
Party to allow a speaker.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
But that is not the main goal.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
And so please talk about what is the big ass
and how can we help to even in saying some
of us will vote for Kamala Harrison November, how can
we help to ensure that the big ass is what
we are all focused on.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I appreciate that to make God. I mean, it's very simple.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
There's a few things that I'll say to folks as
we're kind of going through this election. It's going to
be it's not gonna be easy, and the conversations are
going to continue. I'd say, number one, do not let
one election divide our communities. Right, this election is going
to be over in about sixty four to sixty five days.
Do not let one election cycle be the reason why
we forfeit our solidarity, our relationships, all the work that
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many of us have done with one another. So that's
one we stay focused. We have the courageous conversation, we
have the political debates, but don't let it divide our
people in our communities and our movement.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's one.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Number two.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
For those of you who have friends, colleagues, co workers,
people you may know on the internet that you know,
that's another thing. Don't be arguing as strangers on the
internet as if you all have each other's best interest
at heart. Here you don't know these people from a
hole in the wall, but definitely struggle with people that
you know. I say to people all the time that
right now is in a moment to say to somebody
who looks you in the eye and says, I'm not
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voting for Kamala Harris, I'm so outraged. And instead of
saying to them, you're self centered, you're one issued, you
should say to them, you know what, I'm going to
vote for Kamala Harris, and I promise you that when
I do that, I'm also going to still be fighting
for the Palestinian people. I'm also going to be fighting
for all marginalized people. Letting people understand and give them
an opening to come into the conversation that you want
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to have with them. I think what people are worried
about is that people are going to vote one way
and then they're just going to leave the Palestinian people
and kind of move from here. And what we know
is there's a looming genocide that is also now in
the West Bank. So this is not just the Gazo anymore.
This is now in the West Bank, and we are
in literal danger of losing our land and our people.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Like this is that kind of moment that we're living
in history.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
So I'm telling people all the time, have courageous conversations
that include empathy, that include trying to understand where people
are coming from. Just say you know, I hear you,
I see what you're saying. I watch those videos too.
I can't imagine what it feels like for you to
watch the video. When I'm watching a video of people
I don't know, I may not be connected to it.
I'm horrified by what I see. The third is Joe
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Biden is still the president of the United States of America.
Whether people want me to convince me that he's still
in his right mind or not, I don't care. His
administration is still the administration. We need to continue to
demand in arms in bargo. The United Kingdom just recently
did that in a semi sort of embargo on time
life weapons, weapons licenses. At least something right, meaning that
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the people rising up in the UK are getting some
sort of results. So we need this administration to say
to themselves, we cannot be in the business of violating
domestic and international law, which we are, by the way,
violating our own United States law that's on the books.
We need an arms in bargo. Stop sending weapons to
the State of Israel during this genocide. I think it's
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a reasonable ask. I think any normal person that you
talk to that sees the weapons and sees the murder
and sees the bloodshed is saying, yeah, stop sending these
people the weapons. We got to stop the killing. So
demanding an arms embargo from this administration is absolutely key.
So don't forget that Joe Biden and his administration, they
are still in power, right now. And the last thing
that I'll say is that we got to keep going.
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And we said this before and we always say it.
It's an unfortunate situation for marginalized people. Let's just say
Kamala Harris does become the President of the United State
of America, and let's say her inaugurations on January twentieth
of twenty twenty five. January twenty first, we're supposed to
be outside. We're supposed to be outside on Palestine, on
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raising the federal minimum wage, on expanding voting rights, on
immigration reform and refugee rights, like, we just got to
be people who are consistent.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
And one critique that I have to make it. You
know this, I say this to people all the time.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Don't come to me every four years and start trying
to tell me what to do and tell me this
is how I should vote and this is how I
should not vote.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
What are you doing in between the four years?
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Because I know me, Tamika and maisn we outside three
hundred and sixty five days of the year, maybe not
three sixty five, maybe more like three hundred forty, but
we outside. We organize on a daily basis. We build resiliency,
and power on a daily basis. We build campaigns, we've
organized many of you know the work that we've done.
So my thing is that if you want a third
party and a fourth party and a fifth party, and
we deserve that, because that's actually how a lot of
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democracies around the world work. No other democracy really has
two prominent parties. Do okay, cool, what are you going
to do tomorrow, the day after that, and the day
after that? Because in order for us to build a
viable third, fourth, fifth parties, and we shouldn't have just
one more party. It shouldn't be us. Let's build one
major party in addition to the two. We should be
able to build three four powerful parties that align with
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our values or align with the values of different people,
and do the work. That means petition signatures, that means
building statewide conventions, building state party apparatus where we actually
have staff in our parties so that we could do
the work around, so we could be working up and
down the ballots every year, not just every four years.
And I think that's what I'm asking you. I'm calling
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people to the mattress. Let's commit to organizing every day
for our people and not just wake up to organize
around an election. And I'm not saying elections aren't important.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
You already know me.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I'm an electoral organizer for twenty three years. But I
also understand the power of building between elections.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That's always been my point of view.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
That's you know, when we when we the last election,
I said, we need something different and we should have
been you know, organizing and our old whole strategy that
we were never fighting for an ally, we were fighting
for a better opponent. And I think that's still true
today and I think understanding as we look at both opponents,
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we understand who we got it easier fight with, you know,
but the fight definitely remains so like like you said,
Samika said, it's November six, you said, after inauguration, But
it definitely has to be consistent, you know, because all
of these issues and everything that we've been fighting.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
For is not going to come when we're not consistent.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
If we look at all the communities who actually get changed,
you actually get things.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Is consistency.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And I want to again, I want to take my
hat off to the Palace things because the level of
consistency that they have being able to create uncommitted movement
and get hundreds of thousands of people to get on
board with one thing is what it's what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
And I think if we.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Take the power that we all have and we combine
it with the consistency that you guys have shown, you know,
the resilience that even through all these things, that you
continue to show in the way that you continue to
stay on tone and on course to get what it
is that you want to fight for justice and fight
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to fight, you know, to stop the genocide is what
it's going to take.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So this, this solidary and the legions is necessary. Right.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You always say, you know, you understand that when black
people free, everybody to be free. And when we all
understand that when everybody is free, all of us are
going to be free. And we utilize the same strategies
and tactics and tenacity and we and we we create
that into an infrastructure, that's what it's going to take
for us to actually get what we want as all
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of us. So I just want to let you know
that we are one in solidarity. Yes, I've been I've
been adamant about me making sure that I vote for
COMMA because what it is to me, which Trump represents.
It's something that just is so anti my spirit, you know,
like you know it's some people don't. I don't know
about everybody else, but every time I listen and I
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see Trump, it's something that's demonic did to me. It's
not like some simple shit. It's just not like always
the president I can go to sleep. It is turned
into something that it bothers my spirit. So as I
fight against you know that it's essential that we always
talk about and that spirit. I still want to fight
for the Palestinians, and I will fight.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
For the Pelists, and I know you will. And I
just want to say this for folks that listen to
your podcast. You know, to be clear, Palestinians, if you
look at some recent polling that came out, ain't no
Palestinian ziono and ain't no Muslim Ziono voting for Donald Trump.
And that is something that I also tell people all
the time when you're talking to people outline and you're
trying to convince them, don't use Donald Trump as a
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fear mongering targ at least not for the Palestinians and
the Muslims in the Arabs.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Because these people know, they know all about Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
They went through four years with him, They went through
Muslim band, they were over four hundred thousand. People were
separated from their families like a lot of things without.
Millions of people were separated from grandmother's, grandmother's, husband's wives, children.
People were stranded in countries like Jibouti and others trying
to reunite with their families because Donald Trump was like, no,
you don't deserve a family. You don't deserve to be
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with your family. So we know Donald Trump, We've experienced him.
So there has been no polling showing that anybody in
our communities or our voters are voting for him. And
I will say, that's exactly what you said, Mice. It's
how do we make a commitment to one another regardless
of what choices people are going to make in this election.
How can we make commitments to each other's communities by saying,
(35:40):
no matter what happens, no matter in this election, I
must still fight for you. Just because someone's voting or
has decided to vote for Kamala Harris doesn't mean that
they don't want to fight for Palestinians. Just because someone
saying it's not sitting right in my spirit, I might
want to vote for a third party candidate. You know,
for example, in New York it's a blue state, right
And in a state like California, you could actually vote
(36:01):
any way you want and it's still your state is
going to be a democratic state. But that doesn't mean
that people still don't want to fight for black people
and other marginalized people. I think we're going to come
out of this election with a commitment to keep fighting
for our people. And this is a not a sprint
and to marathon. And we know this, and you know this,
mice from black liberation movements. Black people aren't fully liberated
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in the United States, and they've been fighting for decades,
some would argue centuries in this country. But we're seeing it,
we're getting closer to it. So the question becomes, can
we believe that one election is not how we're going
to be fully free but it could be and get
us just a little bit closer versus taking us a
little farther back. And I think again, let's have those
(36:43):
hard conversations. Let's keep getting the people outside, let's keep
registering those voters, because the one thing I'm not going
to do is I'm not forfeiting my right to participate
in this democracy. I'm not forfeiting my community's right to
participate in this democracy. And I just want people to
know that no matter what, we're going to fight with
one another, and Donald Trump cannot cannot become the president
of the United States of America.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Again, Yeah, that's a complete no for me, absolutely, And
people will say, well, they'll say, well, genocide is a no.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yes, genocide is a no.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
My access to my bodily autonomy, someone taking that away,
that's a no. Food insecurity is a no. There's so
many things that's a no that we have to figure
out a way to hold all of it at the
same time. And black folks have always had to do that.
And I understand that there are black people out here
(37:35):
right now who will listen to this and say, I'm
so tired every time we might be in a moment
we can elect a black woman, which is definitely a
significant symbolism for young black girls to see themselves in
that light. Nonetheless, we got to worry about the fact
(37:55):
that she unfortunately supports genocide. That's just a truth, right,
Like when we hear her say different things. Yes, she's
talked about Palacinian rights and the Palacinian people's right to
self determination and all that's good, but without a policy change, the.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Two things don't align.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
You can't be saying that you're still going to maintain
the same policies and saying that you don't support the
killing at the same time. There has to be a change,
and I truly hope, I hope, I hope, I hope
that we will see a shift, because even if she
believes naively or incorrectly, falsely, whatever words we want to use,
(38:37):
that somehow she can get these things done. It's like
a woman who's like, I think I can change him,
you know what I mean, Like I can just I
can just talk to him and make him see my
perspective and maybe he'll do the right thing. No, Sis,
he's no good for you, and you have to put
him out your house.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's the only way that this is gonna.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Let me just add this really quickly to what you're
saying to me, because just to make sure I make
this point.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
My worry here is.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
That the risk of the calculation that the Democratic Party
is making, right, they're making They're taking a risk here,
This is a gamble, and they're gambling that other voters who.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
May be in.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Exclusive support of the State of Israel or whatever are
the people she's targeting. She's talking to a different, more
center right voter. She wants Republicans, she wants independent voters.
They do it every time, every time, and they move
They're moving us to the right, not just on Palestine,
but on a lot of issues, as you know, from
abolishing from removing the abolition of the death penalty, from
(39:41):
talking about the ways in which they talk about all
these class.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Middle class is not that's not relevant to most black people.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
That's exactly that's right.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
And so for me, I'm just saying I'm sitting back
saying I'm gonna do my part. You know, we're all
going to organize, We're not going to just sit at home.
But at the end of the day, the Democratic Party
has made it very clear, in my opinion, sending a
clear signal to a lot to some young voters, to Arab,
Muslim Palestinian anti war voters, that we are going to
sacrifice to you in this election because we think these
(40:09):
people are the ones that are going to turn out
and we need them more than we need you. And
let's see what happens on November fifth. That's the worry
that I have here that there's been a calculation. In
my opinion, it's going to be a miscalculation. So let's
you what happens.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, let's hope not. I want to believe.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
You know, as I've been saying, Kamala Harris is my
sorority sister.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I know the oath that we take, right, the oath
that we take.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I want to believe that she will have to consider
that attending HBCUs I know what happens.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
There is an indoctrination that happens about being.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
A good person that does right by people, that uphold
some level of dignity and integrity. And I want to
believe that once she gets into office and she has
the power to make certain decisions that our voices and
the descent, because there will still absolutely be descent, that
(41:07):
I will be a part of that, it helps to
shift her thinking and that she understands clearly, I can't
hold I can't try to be on both sides of this.
I'm gonna have to pick a side and make some
very very very specific moves.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
That's what I want to believe.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I don't know, but it's what I have to be
able to believe in this moment, because if we don't
have hope, we have nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And that's so that's where I am. God knows that.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
It doesn't you know, it feels it's it's scary. You know,
we're here to say it's scary. But this is a
very important moment and I just appreciate your sisterhood and
what we're doing. And I better go to the airport else.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
I would literally want to say, I want to believe
that you will get to the airport at the top.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Make it on my flight. Love you so much, Linda, I.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Love you both so much.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Well, my son, Lennon, I have literally twenty four minutes
to make it to the airport, and the airport is
thirty two minutes away.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
So I don't know how that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You're gonna make it because you know why, because we're
about to end this episode. Shout out to our sister
Linders I saw and shout out to all the Palestinian
Shout out to all the black women, Shout.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Out to everybody. We are in a very pucial moment
right now.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
But we understand that our solidarity is necessary, it is needed, and.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
It is mandatory.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So we're gonna end this episode shout out to our
all of our fans at TMM. Continue to let us
know that we're the best show in the world. We're
gonna continue to bring you all of the politics for
the until this election. We're gonna have people here who
have very strong voices and opinion. So I'm not gonna
always be right. Tamika d Marriage and I can always
be wrong, but we will both always and I mean always,
(42:45):
be authentic.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Check out the video version.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Of TMO every single Wednesday on I Woman Dot TV.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's how we own
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