Snow Flies and Government Lies

This week on TMI, Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne discuss a major snowstorm hitting New York City and the realities of schools staying open during severe weather, They reflect on snow’s environmental role and connect the season’s gloom to Ramadan and Lent. The conversation honors Reverend Jesse Jackson and highlights Minister Farrakhan’s message that a person’s good should outweigh their bad, urging grace for leaders’ imperfections and growth. Tamika then addresses misinformation by detailing Dr. Linda Davis’ death during an ICE-related chase, arguing ICE violated pursuit protocols and noting limited media attention. She also distinguishes voter ID from new proof-of-citizenship requirements, challenges claims about Trump’s HBCU funding versus Obama and Biden, and rejects “both parties are the same” comparisons while criticizing Trump’s impacts on Black communities.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it's.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Your boy my son in general, we are your host
of t M I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth,
Motivation and.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Inspiration, New Name, New Energy.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
But how are you doing, Tamika Dmail.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm doing good and stuff my song, Lennon.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm just dealing with snow.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Did you stall yourself and we had in New York City?
I don't know it. It's a lot of so that's
all I can say.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
I think they said somewhere like fifteen sixteen inches of
snow fell, but it just depends on where, so you
could be in certain areas and you got.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Fifteen sixteen inches fair where I'm at. That's all I
can tell you. I I had to dig my car.
It's better from than last time because last time it snowed,
I wasn't in New York, so when I got back,
my car was buried in ice. It wasn't even snow normal,
so it was completely buried. But this time the snow

(01:01):
was still still soft. So and I parked in the
and I parked in the street, parked in the place
where it wasn't difficult to get out, So I did
snow for a but a good fifteen twenty minutes. But
then I was able to drive my car was it was,
it was completely covered in snow. But then I was
able to drive myself out.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
So yeah, we well, you know what, in my house,
there were a number of men who started out shoveling
and doing what they needed to do. And then a
woman and her family came by. A woman in the
family and said that they were out helping to shovel
people out, and you know, a little tip they would help.

(01:40):
And they did a lot of the work. They did
the majority of the work they did, all the cars,
they did, you know, the garbage cans and the passage
ways and all of that. So and I wasn't gonna
do none of it now, however, it's good to, you know, get.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
That people so out.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
The last I think the last, oh, let me say,
when they set the snowstorm was coming, I went in
my phone to find these two guys numbers, because what
I do is hang out the window looking for people
yelling down the block like.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Over the here he be here.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
To get people to come to shovel my snow because
they walk all around. And when I looked at my
phone and I text one of the numbers. I realized
that the last time I text him was in twenty
twenty two. So the last time that we've had snow
that was at the level that you needed to get
somebody to shovel you out was in twenty twenty two.

(02:37):
And now here we are, twenty twenty six. We're getting
more snow than we've had, and I guess they say
it's about the same as ten years ago. It was
really significant, and the snow is heavy. It's very heavy,
very thick, very fluffy. But New York definitely got hit.
Boston has snow up to people's waists at the door.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's really crazy, it is.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
And to think that we it literally melted from the
last snowstorm of January.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Maybe right now did that It was twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I swear to God, like the last bitter snow that
I've seen on my block was the day before it's snow,
and I was like, the ice is actually melting, like
you can actually move around like freely.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
And now the snow was like, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Hold up, it's crazy out there.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
The only only thing I have to say, you know,
I know we're talking about the snow for a long
time is some people might be like, especially if you
don't live here. Because I was on a conference call
today and it was so many people. People in LA
They had t shirts on, people who had their suits on.
They were in the office. People they probably like this
whole thing we're going through and the fact that we're like,

(03:54):
oh my god, and we want to talk about it
to anybody that calls on the phone and posting what
look at videos. There are people who don't have this experience.
They don't know what we're talking about. But the thing
I want to say to folks who are acting like
crazy about kids having to go to school in the snow.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I yo, the world that we live in today, I
get it.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
We're in a new time. Things are just different. Make
I'm wrong. I ain't gonna say there is a very
big possibility that Tamika D mallory is wrong. But when
I was six, seven, eight, nine, ten years old, a
little short bab I used to be walking through snow

(04:40):
that was up here, like the snow was up to
my side.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I had to have on all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I remember going to school with the change of clothes
and having to take everything off and put dry things on.
Boots was in the closet. First it was boots in
the puppy hole. Then we had the closet to put
your boots in there.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Paying yourself up.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
My parents used to have to bring us upstairs and
help us get dressed real quick.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
As I got older, they even do that. They dropped
you over the door with a.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Bag and you have to go figure out how to
get yourself in your uniform skirt. The skirt was over
snow pants and we went to school.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I get it that you can't. You want to be
safe and you want to be all.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Ever, see, the other thing about it that I do
understand is a little bit different today than it was
when we were young.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
We went to school in our community.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
See that's another Yeah, that's another thing that has changed.
We went to school no more than like ten blocks away.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
So we trucked it. People were trucking it and it
went to school.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
And by the way, I think another issue that a
lot of people do not understand, and we've been talking
a lot on the show. We talked last week about
passports and the privilege, as you said, the luxury of
passports and all of that. People do not know understand
that there are some people who their job is opening

(06:12):
up two days, where.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Some people's job is to get the snow.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
There were people working right in the midst of the
snowstore on the day after or during the time that
the snow.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
My sister left the house because she works in the hospital.
She has to go to work. So for me, it's.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Kind of like, you know, I get and I completely
one hundred percent that understand that. You know, some of
us are like, well, this is inconvenient, it's it's still dangerous.
I get that, But I know that there are kids
and unless they go to school.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
They don't have meals.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I know that breakfast, breakfast, and lunch, but then happens
at school. And sure, we should fix all the systems
and do all the things so that that is not
the case, but in this moment, it is the case.
So when when you keep schools closed, you literally change

(07:18):
people to their hose or with their families to where
they cannot go and take care of things that they're
supposed to take care of.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
There's people out.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Here that need the school to open so that their
children could go to school. So he didn't say, and
I'm talking about ma'am, I'm donald because they losing their
shit in New York. That be so upset.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Blah blah.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
He should give us a remote school day. Listen, bruh.
He didn't say if you don't come, you're gonna be
fine and you know and jailed.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
He just said school is open. Yeah, so if you go,
you go.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Ain't nobody gonna teach no strong lesson in mist It
ain't gonna.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Be a lot of people. The kids gonna have a
good time. Most of them probably gonna have a substitute.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
They probably gonna do.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes, it's like with us. They used to roll the
taving down all and bringing it anything.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It used to be in an auditorium half to the
school day. They have a movie on the skill, you
got some games. Whatever it was, but it was probably
the best day.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
You know what I'm saying. You ain't do much.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And the thing is that people like you said, people
gotta go to work. So if they kids is home
from school, they don't have nowhere to take they don't especially,
ain't got no daycare, ain't got nothing, and you don't
close everything down now when the kids is home and
they done set some shit on fire, y'all gonna say
that the parents ain't doing right by the kids, like
you gotta make it make sense, man, send them kids

(08:51):
to school. The school is pretty much like a daycare.
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Blessing people are like when you say that, but that's
the truth.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
But listen, teacher, your job to make sure the kids
are safe. Go to that work or call out because
the substitute need them a couple dollars.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Listen to me, send the child to school or don't.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, and if you want to stay at home with
your child, you have you have the.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Right that your child.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
That's it. That's it. Anyway, a lot of snow talk thing.
I was.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Listening to someone say that snow is not just an inconvenience.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's also not just like a pretty file of white stuff.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
It kills germs, like when it snows, bugs and germs
and different things in the environment.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It sanitizing itself.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
And you know, it's kind of like, if you think
about it, everything that God did, everything right.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
The whole universe had the purpose.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
So the animals, the you know, the bugs.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
The everything that is some stuff.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
I don't no, I don't know if he meant for
mosquitoes to do anything at all.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
They just might have just been a result of.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I don't know that's something they do. You just don't
know what it is they do.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't believe it. I don't believe that mosquitos do something.
I believe it. I know flies don't do anything.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Nobody's gonna tell me that flies have a purpose.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
They nasty all of these things like they eat like
certain things that you don't eat.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Certain things eat them. That makes the nourishes that needs
to do something else, Like I promise you every one
of these insects, animals, things of nature, they serve a purpose.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Well, the snow actually cleans the air, the environment and
sterilizes things. So when I learned that, I was like, well,
I guess we need snow, so hey, maybe, But I
can tell you one thing. To me, there is a
direct connect between just how gloomy it's been, how cold

(11:05):
it's been, how awful the weather has been, and like
how I'm feeling about the world. You know, it's like
the things are aligned for me that it has been
kind of like overcast and dark and gloomy, and so
that's just kind of.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
How I feel.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
I mean, other people will probably say I'm tripping, but
I feel like God doesn't make any mistakes, and it
seems to me if you had to ask me, I
would say what my grandma say, being pleased with us,
but any made as to hear or there.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
But it's true. But that and I think that's why
that is.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's ironic and it's it actually makes sense that Ramadan
is right now, right because when as you fast, it's
to get it's Ramadan.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
And so as you fast, as you you know you
you you give up things from it, and you know,
you get more deepening tune with yourself and you get
more tune gods.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
It cleanses you right, giving you clarity, you understand what's
going on. You know, as you you're going through this
fast and as you you're giving up things for lint,
you actually see more purpose. You actually see a lot
more clearer. So as you said, it's dreary and all
these things. So I think it's time for us to fast.
The whole world should be doing some level faster to

(12:27):
get that and just find out, like what should I
be doing in this moment? What is my purpose in
this movement? Because we definitely in that time.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, I am fasting this in the season I'm fasting,
you know, for lint. I always give something up every year.
I give up something for the forty days of lant.
Last year, my forty days of lent. What I gave
up was Target, shopping at Target, and you know, and
within twenty days I no longer even felt the need

(12:58):
for Target. This year, I am doing a Ramadan adjacent fast,
and I would say that only because I haven't been
drinking water and.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Tea, which the last couple of days.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
The first days, I felt like the water and the
tea was like a crutch. You know.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I also on perimental.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Puzzles, so not having any water or anything to help me,
and then I have anxiety. I got a lot going on,
so every now and then I need some water and
something keep me calm and keep me from going crazy
on people, places and things. So I felt like I
needed it so bad. But then today I didn't really

(13:39):
drink any water. I have one cup of tea, and
so I wasn't drinking like two or three bottles of water.
And I also kind of feel like when it's time
to eat, Yes, I do feel an urgency to break fast,
but I also don't feel so hungry that I need
like a massive feast of food. I just need enough
foold for survival. And that tells you that we over consume.

(14:03):
That's what to me. That's the thing that I'm learning,
is that I over consume because one thing that has
been changed is my It's like a habit that I
was thinking, Oh, we're getting ready to go to Chicago
to honor our now ancestor, Reverend Jesse Jackson Senior. And

(14:27):
there's a rest of the First of all, Chicago has
the best eating in the damn country.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I gotta I gotta go back to Rashad.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Of Earn Your Leisure because he asked the question one time,
we have the best food? I said New Orleans. I
think he might have said New York or LA. And
I'm like, no way, But I gotta tell him it's
in Chicago. It's in Chicago, because he said, well, it
can't be in New Orleans because New Orleans food is
just it's good, but it's unhealthy, a lot of it.

(14:57):
And so he's like, no, we can't use New Orleans.
I got to tell them this in Chicago because you
get all kind of foods. So there's a restaurant there
that I love, love, love, love love, and as I
was like, okay, we're going in for the service, We're
I'm gonna make a reservation at this restaurant. And then
I realized, everybody on our team that's going is a

(15:18):
Ramadan fast, so we can't go to the restaurant. We
gotta go back to New York.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
On the plane.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, you're right, everybody's faster right now, so they sense,
well you can get.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Take a doggy back. You know. Well we're going back.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
To New York, so we're leaving at the time when
it would be sun down right, so we can't go
to to the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
And I said, damn.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
But I realized that so much of my social life
is is arranged around food and drinks. So you know,
you have to be really careful with both things because
you end up drinking much more wine and cocktails because
you're going out, you're drinking here, you go in here,
you go over here, everybody's going to oh, everybody, you're
drinking your glass of wine, you do anything, So you

(16:13):
got to be careful. But you also have to be
mindful of that with food, you know, because breakfast meetings,
lunch meeting dinner, get home, snack.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's a lot of eating in one day.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
So anyway, those are some of the things in addition
to me being in prayer that I am noticing that
we have as Americans, we over consume food.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Ain't no question but that if you look at the
hypertension rate, you look at the diabetes rape, you look
at the obesity rate, in America, we lead in all
of those categories.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
So true, true that.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Speaking of Reverend Jackson, there was a video that I
was really really just by over the weekend during Saya's Day,
which is the highest holy occasion of the Nation of Islam.
Minnester Farrakhan was speaking and he talked about his.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Relationship to Reben Jesse Jackson. He said in the.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Clip that you know, he loves his brother, and he
talked about what Reverend Jackson has meant and his impact
on the community, and you know, he said some really
powerful things, and I thought, I think that the most
important to me. Especially as you watch Minnester farrakhon he
is definitely aging, right, Like you can clearly see that

(17:40):
from the last ten years he's changed.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Just like all of us have changed in one way
or another.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
But you can see it, and so I think that
is so important that every time we hear from our leaders,
our elders, that we hear at Jim Right, I think
about before Heyes Duce passed away, she spoke at a
church on New Year's Eve and she prayed. She was
she was praying. The prayer is so powerful. The prayer

(18:12):
was amazing because she was laying out what God had
done for her and reminding people what she came through, right,
And that is so powerful because we all are on
our journey and when you get to ninety two years
old and you can look back and recall the dark
moments to times when you thought, oh they got me

(18:35):
this time. I don't know how to make it out
and you know where your health came from.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's very powerful.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
And so Minnisafarkhan left this nugget where he says, you
will never ever catch me out here, basically disparaging I'm
paraphrasing Reverend Jackson, you know, because of his contribution that
you know his God balances that's out And I think
that was a different video. I don't know where that
came from, but I saw somewhere maybe it was your

(19:02):
page talking about the balance of what we you know,
what's good from what's bad, and what's right from what's
wrong or whatever. And the thing that touched me about
what he said is that I know because I've been
in this movement in like up in it, not knowing

(19:24):
about it and not reading about it, not studying it,
not hearing from other people, but literally in this movement
as a small child since I was young. So I
know firsthand about the changes that all those guys went through.
I know about the relationship issues and our relationships obviously,

(19:46):
I mean family familiar relationships where you know Minnesufarikon and
how he has felt, and then you know things that
one person said or how another and may have felt.
And Reverend Jackson in his position and how people at
one point treated him, and things that people have said

(20:07):
about him, Like I know it.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I watched it. I didn't just read about it.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
I was a little girl, but I remember the conversations.
I remember serving water or coffee or being around even
as a little girl, playing and hearing even my parents recall.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
You know, just like we do, old child.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
They didn't have social media, so people didn't get to
see this stuff play out like that, but it was
closer because back in those days, the conversations were like
family or family, you know, neighbor to neighbor, so we
know they had beef, they had little beefs. They'll pop
up controversies and conflicts. But his gym Minnesota, Farrikon is

(20:52):
leaving us with is.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
A gem of your good outweighs your bad.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
That the way that God sees us is to look
at our good over our bag. And therefore he would
never find himself sitting disparaging him at any point, but
particularly here the man has gone to gone on to glory.
And I thought that was important. And it's also a

(21:22):
reminder for me that I have to be mindful and
I try my best to do it, but it's always
a good reminder that we are supposed to seek out
the best of one another versus pointing out the worst.
Then you support Donald Trump, I put you in a
whole different category.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
But I would say, you know just that I thought
that was powerful.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
It was a beautiful thing, and I was glad to
hear it, and it was like also on my shoulder,
like check yourself, because this is what life is really
all about, that no, none of us are going to
be perfect. You know, we're gonna make all kinds of
wolves that may upset people and ruffle the feathers. But

(22:04):
when it's all said and done, where what was the substance.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Of your life?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
And I think and that's what I think Minister Farakahn
said that moved me.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I mean it was it was touching to me too.
And it was two different ones because the one that
was on my page you could tell it was years ago,
and it was so profound because that's that's what a
lot of the Minister's you know, takes and his speeches
and his jewels are. They're long lasting, like they you

(22:37):
you can go back to something he said twenty years
ago and it's so profound to the meaning of what's
happening right now. So when he said that, he was
speaking as he was speaking like right now, you know.
And then he when he went to Saviorsday, he pretty
much reiterated.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
It, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
But and I had this, I have this issue all
the time that I say, why do we expect I
was leaders to be perfect? And if they're not perfect,
why do we dismiss the good and the things that
they've done, Like to ignore what Reverend Jesse Jackson has
done throughout his.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Life.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know what he gave to black people, what he
fought for black people, the way that he was able
to make sure that black people were included within corporate America,
that black people had a space. That just when he
talked about how Reverend Jackson had debated some of the
top white people in this world and beat them, he
went against their best and he showed that we had

(23:37):
people that had that type of intellect, that were able
to debate and able to compete on every level. You know,
he ran for president twice in won States as a
black man during some during the height of racism, you know,
height of all of those things. So when we have
these conversations about our leaders, we don't give them enough

(23:58):
credit and we just diverage them more than anybody else does.
I hear people have conversations about the minister. Ain't this
Like I go on my page and I post that, oh,
they all sell outs, And I'm like, so, what is
not a sellout to you?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Right? You're looking for somebody to be perfect.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Like I know that Minister Pharah Com and Jesse Jackson
has done way more than the people that are coming
about them. I know, if I when I look back,
when they look back on their legacy, when their children
looks back on their legacy, when the nation looks back
on Minister's legacy, When Rainbow Push and everybody looks back
on the legacy of Reverend Jesse Jackson, they can look

(24:35):
and say that there was accomplishments, there were things done.
And so it's so disheartening to know that the people
that those people have fought for and they have made
change for, that they have actually created lanes for, and
some of them are benefiting, all of them are benefiting
off the work and the sacrifices that they put in

(24:56):
actually utilize their voices and platforms to disparage them.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's disheartening, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
As a person who actually is out here fighting on
these front lines trying to get things, you know, for
the betterment of my people. It really is disheartness saying,
I know, I've sat in rooms with the Reverence, I've
sat in rooms with the Minister.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I've watched how they have sacrificed.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I've watched them be crucified, i watched them go through
the fire and say it doesn't matter because it's gonna
be better man for my people. And I'm gonna always
speak truth to power and I'm gonna stand on principles.
And sometimes they may have made a mistake, some of
them may have said something wrong, or some of them
may have done something wrong. But that's human nature.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
None of us are perfect, and it's not and it's
not May, it's not me.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
They have because they have absolutely said things that have
been wrong. They have made people feel, you know, not
feel good about themselves.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
I know that I told you we always talk about
me making particular comment.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
We're won't get into it today.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
And I started getting calls from people who are like
folks sat know me, and they were like, I'm a
little confused about this, which means that sometimes even in
your good intention, you can say things out of line.
Sometimes ego drives us. Sometimes just you know, we just
we could just be rue cruel, and.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Sometimes you could just be wrong, right, and somebody could
change your mind. Like you know, I've watched I've watched
the Minister throughout his age and throughout his years grow
and evolved in his thinking. Right, I've watched him say
certain things in the eighties and nineties and then watch
in two thousands and be like, well, that's that's a

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completely different minister. I've sat there where he's told me
that he changed his way of thinking in the way
that he understood certain things. I've watched what he sat
in front of his congregation and said, you know, I
used to feel this way and this way I feel
this way now, and that's part of growth.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
That's what leadership is.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
If you don't learn, if you're not learning and growing
every day, then you can't be a leader, you know.
So I just think that we have to we not
too much on our leaders man, because a lot of
them have the sacrifices they made, and you know, just
being in a space to where there are certain people
who consider me a leader and they follow and believe
in me, and knowing that the sacrifices I made in

(27:16):
certain places I can go and certain people I can't,
or I will never rooms, they'll never let me in
because I know that I speak certain truth to power
and to hear certain people that you know that you
you fight for and you willing to die for, speak
negatively about you. It's the worst thing that you can feel.
It's actually worse than anything else. Because I expect the enemy,

(27:37):
I expect the people that I'm fighting against the say
negative things about me. But somebody that you known that,
somebody that you have sacrificed for I see, I see.
It's a mean that I was gonna post what I
didn't even post it. And they said, right now, there's
somebody that you gave a lot to, a sacrificed a
lot for saying negative things about you.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
But I said, there's somebody you helped.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
You helped. It was to say pretty much with the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
And it was like, and it's true, it's somebody that
you helped, and you know you helped that. It's in
a room right now speaking back by it and speaking
negatively about you.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
And it's just like, you know, I don't you know?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
So I repeat Jesse Jackson, and much love to you know,
the minister, just for his profoundness and his always being authentic.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
That's one thing I could.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Say about I haven't been around Jackson as much, but
I've been around the minister, and his heart is always pure,
and whether it's right or wrong, it's always pure. And
his heart is always in the right place, whether he's
right or wrong. And he's not above critique, he's not
above having a conversation, or you telling him that you

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don't like something, He's willing to listen, you know, And
I think those are those are the qualities of leadership.
You know, we're not go always get it right. We
might some of us might die on with something that's wrong.
But my thing is my moral compass. When I say something,
I know that I'm not saying it to harm my people, right,

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And I know if I do something that I'm not
doing it taut my people. I know I could sleep
good at night knowing that I had the best intentions
whether it was right or wrong.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I know that my heart was always in the right place.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
So you know, yeah, absolutely we're not like they always say.
We don't agree with ourselves all the time. And so
there's that, you know, And and we do need room
for grace, and we also have to give people grace
because you know, we need to know that folks hear
things and see things through their life experiences and that's

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why they meet you.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
And so there's a lot to go around.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
But I appreciated that I felt like there was an
elevation in my like taking me to my higher self
to think about this pat the passing of someone who
one day I will be mentioned, not necessarily anything to
the degree of what Reverend Jackson has done, but I

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will at least be mentioned in the category of those
people who are on the front lines for our community
and for justice and what happened. And I would hope
that other people who may have had you know, we've
had some tough moments. You know, I cannot see here
and tell you there's been no conflict, there's been no beasts,

(30:21):
there's been no issues with us and other people in
the movement, And I am hopeful that when we go
we can depend on and we can also look at
ourselves and know that what is most important is for
us to recount the important things that we did, not
just good, but the important things that we did, versus

(30:44):
to try to hold us to the worst moments in
our lives, the worst things we said, the you know whatever, whatever,
the best things you could judge us on.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
So I don't mean to interrupt you, but I was
I was honored to speak at the late Great Malcolm
X's memorial at the Shabbaz Center this weekend, and it
was and I said the exact same thing. You know,
me and Malcolm have similar stories coming from the streets,
you know, being incarcerated, evolving during incarceration and coming home

(31:17):
and trying to you know, be better people and speak
truth to power and stand for our people. And I said,
I know, I know Malcolm X by any means, but
just understanding that he was able to evolve, you know,
and people act like they don't realize that he was
once Detroit Red. You know, I tell people he was
Malcolm then he was Malcolm Little. He was Malcolm Little,
then he was Malcolm he was Detroit Red, and then

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he was Malcolm X.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
So there's a part of us that all have opportunities.
All of us go through our growth processes, man, and
the person that I am today is not the person
that I once was. Ideologies, thought process things that I
believed as a child, I don't believe now, you know,
So do not hold me.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And I'm not beholding to the worst is I'm.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Not beholding to you know, the quote unquote crime boss
that they tried to make me in the New York Post.
You know, I'm a different individual now, and I hope
that we give all of our brothers and sisters the
opportunity to grow and evolve.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Absolutely, absolutely all right, Peter, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Right, So
let me get into my thought of the day. Let
me get my notes.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Because I because I have to bring you have to
come and receipt.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
You know, it just gets to be so much until
I've been happen to get my notes out. Bro let
me tell you today, my thought of the day is
the lies they tell and the.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Way we spread it. Okay, there is an intentional operation
of miss information on these devices.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
And by the way, it is not just on device,
it's just in conversations that people have folk that I thought,
at one point had their good sense had been kissed
by the evil curse of misinformation. Right, They've been cursed
with misinformation. And so you know, I've been doing my

(33:28):
learning how to use AI using Claude and and I'm
and I'm again and chat shept and all of that
because I'm using the white folk platforms because y'all love
white folk information, love it, love it, love it when.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
The black people tell you something.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
You know, it's like for me, I may not know
all the data that's not necessarily my my my stria.
I won't even say it's a weakness. It's not a
strength or weakness. It's just not the thing. I don't ness.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
You just know the facts and you don't know to day.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
But I have people friends like el Joy Williams and
Britney Packnet and Angels angel Angelo penzol Angelo Rye, who
knows the data, and then when we talk or when
I hear them say it that I'm able to add
it to my messaging.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
And I also, of course, when I'm making presentations, I
do my research, so I'm learning AI. I don't need
to use AI to make videos and pictures and and
all of that. That ain't I'm not into that. I
don't need to do that. That's not my thing. That's
other people do creative me.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I'm like, let me use it so I can go
get the white folk what they got to say about
these issues that.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
We keep debating. I'm bringing up three issues today, so.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Let me just say that. One of the things that
has me is how we're going to ignore the murder
of doctor Linda Davis.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
It is, I am, this is.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
This is it doesn't She was murdered, Okay, in vehicular
man slaughter, I guess is what they would call it.
So some people would say she was killed, she was murdered.
And let me tell you why I see it that way.
I wanted it that way because there are multiple layers

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and individuals who are responsible for how this woman's life
was taken from her.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
And I have a two part thing on this. One
is my thought of the day around the lives they
tell and the way we spread it.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
But the other side is the way that this system
just discards black people and particularly black women. This woman,
doctor Linda Davis, died I don't know, maybe seven days
ago now, no matter of fact, it was February sixteenth.
It was February sixteenth that she was killed. And you

(36:06):
know what, you could barely find news about it.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
If you're Google you might find a story or two,
but it is not on the internet.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
I remember when Renee Good was shot and killed, and
then of course what's his name, Alex Pretty when he
was killed, rightfully, so they were on the TV from
the morning to the night, and Samantha I don't remember
her last name, Please excuse me. I deal with perrymnopause

(36:36):
takes my memory away sometimes. The mother who has been
missing now for going on three weeks. The news from
the morning to the night has the stories of what
happened to these individuals on Loop. We hear about it
all day resources conversations.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
The White House has to speak to it.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
We're in a situation where with doctor Linda Davis, though
they's not even the White House, don't even.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Feel the need to tell the lies that they told on.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Every other situation about her because there's no pressure that is.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
Being applied from the broader.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Community the same way that And this is why people
feel disengaged when they see horrific things happen to white
folks that they know is terrible that it took place,
but they refuse to expend any of their energy on
fighting it because they know that when it comes to us,

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the energy will not be the same when a black
person is at the center of it. Nevertheless, I want
to make sure that we clarify few things what happened
to doctor Linda Davis.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
So I asked to tell me more about ICE's policy
or chasing people.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Okay, because the people in the comments section always feel
that we are the ones spreading misinformation, we say that
Ice is responsible for her death.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Here's the reason why this is problematic.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Ice is prohibited from chasing someone in a non violent situation.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Period. So that's period.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Are they are required to pursue at a later time.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
They are to disengage from a chase.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
They are to.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Follow, maybe at a distance.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
They are they are supposed to basically circle back and
find another way to apprehend and individual who is a
subject of their interests.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
They are not allowed.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
They are prohibited from chasing a person who has not
committed a violent offense. So guess what I did. I
went and asked the AI systems whether or not the
man who hit and killed Miss Linda, whether or not

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he was wanted for a violent offense. And the answer
is no, he was.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Not even wanted. He was not wanted for a violent
offense he had not committed.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
In fact, what they say is that the viol the
violent offense is now the death of doctor Linda, who
happens to be a special education teacher in Savannah, Georgia,
who was by all accounts, a beautiful woman going about
her business, just doing her regular thing, and.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
This situation happened. So that's number one.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
That's number one unfortunate, horrific incident that took her life.
Then she was in the car for twenty five minutes
without receiving any attention from the ice thugs. They didn't
give her any attention, and it took the citizens, the
people in the neighborhood to go and figure out how
to get her freed from the car, and of course

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she died. So that's one thing, right, So to summarize,
I can only chase someone if it is a person
who has committed a violent offense and they are in
pursuit of that individual. If not, they are supposed to
stand down and find another way to apprehend the individual.

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Because it said that in a chase, it is too
easy pretty much for innocent bystanders to become casualties of
such chase.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
And then it's also certain departments focused on that. So
the people who engaged this man were more than likely
not qualified to pursue him. There are certain qualifications that
your vehicle must have, there are certain qualifications that you
must have. So when you if they were just approaching
someone who's a person of interest, who may.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Have been there, it was a traffic stop, and of
course they when he knew that they were getting ready
to try to do whatever, they started chasing him and
he ran off and did to tie.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
His whole incident played out exactly so.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
You know what that's called.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Now, if if we were if it was an average
citizen right who had broken the law, because they they
pretty much broke the law, they went against their their
own protocol, that would be felony murder for me and you.
Let's say me and you had broke the law to police,
we were criminals and we ran and the police and
killed somebody, will be guilty of felony murdered.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
We beguilty because we cause the officer to have to
discharge his weapon or whatever incident that made this person
be killed.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
This is fact. So the point two.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Most police departments around the country also have a protocol
that states that they do not chase in school districts.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
They do not chase.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
So most law enforcement agencies or police departments have a
protocol that they follow that they do not chase in
school districts because.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Of the same thing.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
It is too easy for innocent bystanders, which include children,
to be caught in the cross heads of such chase.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
So that means that on two levels, you have ice that.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Is not supposed to pursue an individual will who has
not committed a violent crime, and you put that person
in and and and also then look at the local
protocols of most police department. You're not supposed to be
chasing someone in a local school district.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
So when people tell us, oh, y'all are spreading misinformation
nowhere not what you said.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Is the key point that in any other civilian situation,
if you cause the death of another individual because you
are doing something that is illegal, and you said negligent,
then you are also held responsible.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
And that is why you hold and and and moreover, Yes.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I hold the person, the individual who is being paid
by my from my tax dollars. I hold the individual
who's supposed to have training, the person who has a weapon,
the person who's supposed to be dealing with the safety
of our society. Society, I fold that person much more

(44:03):
responsible than a person who doesn't even have a violent background,
which goes to the fact that more than ninety percent
of the people that you have detained have not fit
the criteria that you lie about every day and say
that you're getting rid of the most violent criminals. You
have a five percent, five percent, five percent success rate

(44:24):
in doing that. Okay, so I guess I definitely don't
hold him more responsible. Should he be held responsible certainly you,
and I'm sure you're gonna make sure that that happens.
The problem is that we have an obligation to see
that you'll be held responsible. And what frustrates me is

(44:45):
that this is what I mean when I say when
people say, oh, we ain't got nothing to do with that.
Black people don't have any So you're telling me doctor
Linda right because they say, stay out the way, doing
her regular day done to stay out the way. What
did doctor Linda have done to stay out the way

(45:05):
from agencies that did not uphold their own protocols and
a man who was undocumented and ran from authorities.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Where what should a black woman named doctor Linda have done?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
And that is why we said that a wild chase
and a process of invading people's constitutional rights is not
the appropriate process for catching, finding, detaining, and deporting undocumented
people in this country.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
So that's my first thing that.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
I just want to say, y'all got a stack. Okay,
we we're not confused. We're not confused. So let me
go up to my next one.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I got, I got three. I'm gonna go fast so
you can get to yours.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Man, get to it, talk about it.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Come on that my son, please.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Out. So then let me say to get out quickly
this issue of the voting suppression piece and to Save
America Act, because also there are people who are still
trying to say, well, I can't believe they're even using
the fact that Mam Donnie and the Department of Sanitation

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want two forms of identification for people to be able.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
To shovel snow.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
And they're like, oh, you don't mind the identification for that,
but you got a problem with you don't mind the
identification right for the sand Department of Sanitation, but you
got a problem with people using identification to vote. We
have never said we had an issue with people using
identification to vote. You can use if people want to

(46:47):
have you use the real ID because the first lite
is state and so you need the real one to
now with you to to have to pay to get
the real IV if they want to have you use
that in order to prove your identification or your your
identification in order to vote.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Nobody ever said they have a problem with that. Many
states have a law where or at least a rule
where people have to do that. No one said they
had a problem with that.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
When I go to vote, I always bring my ID
because I know they might ask me. I've been asked
sometimes and sometimes I'm not. What we're talking about is
proof of citizenship, the fact that there is an additional
barrier that is being applied to people in an election
year when it is a very consequential election, that there
is a all of a sudden rush and this big

(47:38):
intention and urgency to add various to people's ability to vote,
when there's no such thing as widespread voter fraud. So
we're gonna keep calling it out because we see the game.
We understand it's a three card Molly.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
You're moving things around it. You think we can't see it? No,
you know what, Some people were good at three card models.
Some people could watch the card move all around. My
uncle Jimmy, he could watch the card move all around.
He knew again, and he.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Would tell you they're playing fair or not because he
knew whether or not the card was the right card
that was moving, or if a little magic trick was happening.
Y'all try to put us in a magic trick. We're
not stupid. There's no reason for there to be this
new need for a proof of citizenship at a time
when you haven't even given people the ability to get

(48:30):
the things that they need.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
There needs to be a year long.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Process where you are helping people get their passports and
giving them the tools they need, the resources, suspending fees,
figuring out how to help people get signed up to
be able to get their passports and to get their
documents in order. If you were doing it for the
right reasons, that is what you would do. But that

(48:55):
is not what's happening, and it is because they have
a particular intention and those of us know it and
can see it. Do not care about the trolls that
come to our set our comments section to tell the lies,
to spread the lies that are being told by those
people who are in the Powers that Be group or
category number three.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Are you please?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
No, it's really pretty much simple like nobody like you said,
nobody said we don't want you to have ID.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
It's good to have ID.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
And most of the times when you win and got
your ID, all that other ID shit that you said
they needed, they had it at that time, they might
not have it no more. So, That's what I'm saying
this is, this is just a false sense of bullshit
to try to just you know, disparage people and disenfranchise
and make people feel like, damn, I don't I don't
even know where I put my motherfucking birth certificate at man,
I don't need no why I want to give. I

(49:44):
got my ID right here with you. I go to places,
and if you ask me for too many forms of ID,
I don't even want to go. They like, yo, you
need this and that. I got my Look, I got
my driver's license. Do they know they gonna take that?
Because I'm not doing too much? Like, I don't want
to go through all that shit.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
So let's go up to my third one so I
can be done. But I saw that on the view
Chris Lee, and I used to like Chris Ly.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I did like that family, the daughter. I loved that family.
I used to watch them all the time.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
It's really sad that this young lady, I don't care
if she supports Trump doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I'm not that caught upon what white people are doing.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
But what I will say is that when you start
trying to spread these talking points, you need to know
what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
And I do notice that they find the shifted the
talking points a little bit because they realize that The.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
First lie that was being told was that Donald Trump
gave more funding to HBCUs than any other president, or
at least any president in recent history.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That is a lie. It is a lie that has
been told over and over again.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
And at the table on the view when she got
into the HBCU funding, you know, they didn't get a
chance to really go into the factual information, but they
did shoot it down and say the funding was already there.
Let us be very very clear, okay, so that everybody
will understand. What Donald Trump did was that he signed

(51:18):
the Future Act in twenty nineteen. So the Future Act
that's in twenty nineteen and his last presidency was basically
to stop HVCUS from falling into situations where their funding
may have lass or it expired, where people, you know,
had to basically do this these application processes all the time,

(51:41):
and it created an issue with people's funding and the
regularity of such.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
So he signed into law the Future Act in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Now at the time, just so everybody is clear, that
made two hundred and fifty five million that was already
an annual funding.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
It made it more permanent so the process is easier.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
And then he assigned another one point three billion dollars
in funding two HBCUs.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
That is his record. One point three billion.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Dollars he actually gave HBCUs, and he signed the Future Act,
which made the process where people again had more continuity
in their funding.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I'm not listening Future Acting. I have no problem. I'm
willing when I see something less right. That's a good
thing that that happened.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
But the fact that people say that he gave more
funding to HBCUs than any other president, or at least
any other president in recent history, because that's what I've heard,
it is a line. Okay, Barack Obama funded HBCUs to
the tune of four billion dollars. It was more than

(52:58):
four billion the one point three billion that Donald Trump
assign to HBC used right now, just President.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Obama, he did more than four billion dollars. But guess
what Joe.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Biden gave school sixteen billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Sixteen billion.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Now, one would say, well, Joe Biden had a different
mandate because it fell during COVID and so there was
more than had to be done. Cool, So that's sixteen billion.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
But if you drop it down to a lower, higher number,
you would look at exactly what I just told you
about President Obama at four billion dollars, which is more
than Donald Trump's.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
So to be clear, I'm not even arguing that that's
never even been something.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
That came up that were like, oh, look what he
didn't do for hbcused no cool, he gave an extra
one point three billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
That's great, no problem.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
But don't sit here and use as one of your
talking points that he gave more money than any.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Other president when it is a lie. It is a lie.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
If you stick with the things that are actually facts,
we could actually say, you know what, we agree with
that that's actually.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Right, or being you know, that was a good thing,
but it is not true. And so again the lies
they tell.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
And then you, with your big dumb self, go somebody
that's supposed to have good sense. You hear some lie
that is being told to you by Fox News or
by some racist person who is in your friend's circle.
Because you so busy trying to be around people thinking
that it's making you something, now all of a sudden
you are bigging the road that gets an opportunity to

(54:46):
go hang out around some of these kind of people
that don't like you.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Because you still nigga. As Jay Z said, you steal nigga.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
And you think that because you hanging out and stop
lovel with people that when they telling you the Fox
News it was bullshit that keeps us supposedly in our place,
you start repeating that dumb ass shit and don't.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Know what you're talking about. I'm talking about people are
paid protestings.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
When folks that are out here organizing and in these
streets losing their life are actually the probably the most underpaid, underrepresented,
mistreated people in the freaking society. But you're saying all
of this stuff because your big dumb stuff. Then drink
the kool aid of the racist, fucking folks who don't
even like you, and the moment that they get a

(55:31):
chance to put you on your place and show you
that you still a nigga, they gonna do that to you.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
So y'all wanna lie.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
You can lie all day, you can spread whatever you
want to spread, but you can be damn sure that
I'm gonna use their tools and my good brain to
come back and check bullshit every time that I get
a chance.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
And every time you get a chance, I'm gonna say
I don't get it because I don't get none of
this shit because it goes right into mind.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Like I could have just expounded on what you're saying,
but mine, I don't get. It is pretty simple. I
don't get how people keep saying Kamala and Trump and
Republicans and the Democrats, it's two wings or the same.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Bird and the same thing. I was listening to.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Doctor Umar today and he was having a conversation and
he was talking about why he didn't vote for Kamala
and why he didn't vote for Trump. And he said,
you know Trump is okay. Yeah, Trump is trying to
get rid of black people. Yeah, he's trying to deport us. Yeah,
he's taking away our resources. But Kamala would have did
the same thing. Last I said, what do you even

(56:35):
talking about at this point? At this point, rather than
just say you wrong, you want to continue on and
pontificate and use big words. It's so many Like it's
such disheartening because I have a lot of love for
doctor Dumar. I think he's a brilliant guy. But at
some point you just have to acknowledge that you're wrong.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
A lot of black people, a lot of people who
have made these points, these talking points about the two
wings of the same bird. Bullshit that y'all keep on
running over and over. You're not going to tell me
that if Kamala was the president that d I would
be gone. You're not gonna tell me that if Kamala
was the president that they would be rolling back civil rights.

(57:17):
You're not gonna tell me that they would be defunding
our organizations, in our businesses, and that we would have
the highest level of unemployment in over twenty years. Over
three hundred thousand black women are out of the workforce,
and many more people say that it's probably about a million.
You're not gonna tell me that that would have happened
if Kamala was the president. So start with the same

(57:39):
the same bird, two different wings. It's bullshit. At this point,
what Donald Trump is doing is directly disenfranchising black people.
He is targeting black people. He is making sure that
the word black is a violent word. He has demonized
black people. He is making sure that everything that has
to do with black He wants to erase our place

(58:03):
inside this nation. He wants to erase our history. They
are discarding our books, they are taking the professions that
our kids have gone to school and studied for decades
who have become professionals. He is saying he is delegitimizing
professions that black people have excelled in.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
They have lowered the whole.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Government, which most of our black people have jobs inside of,
so that they can disparage us. You're not going to
tell me that that would have happened if Kamalo was
the president. So stop with this two wings of the
same bird bullshit. Just admit that y'all was wrong, that
y'all voted for a racist that is intentionally disenfranchising black people,
that is intentionally pushing white supremacy, that is intentionally putting

(58:45):
black faces with white minds in places that can disparage us.
This don't tell me that that's not happening. Stop trying
to tell me that it's the same shit, because it's not,
and you know it's not. We know that we wouldn't
be in this situation. This we came to the situation
is when Trump was in office. So stop with the
bullshit talking points, Stop going to Fox News, Stop listening

(59:07):
to these fake ass bloggers who don't have any intellect,
that don't have any facts to back up that keep
saying the same shit that keep telling you the immigrants
is out of here and it ain't no boys in girls'
bathrooms and all this bullshit, the same talking points and
they run with all the time. Don't tell me that
that shit right there is more important than the livelihood
I go to. I went to the fucking supermarket and

(59:29):
spend three hundred dollars and only have four bags of groceries.
You're not gonna tell me that things are naitarian. You're
not gonna tell me that my motherfucking lighting gas bill
that it's eight hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
A month is not crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
You're not gonna tell me that our fucking health insurance
that no, most of us can't even afford would have
been the same way if Kamo was the president.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
You're just not going to tell me that. So stop
acting like this shit ain't ain't crazy out here.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Stop acting like Donald Trump is not directly in Everything
that he's doing is directly impact. Just stop doing it
because you're not making You're not fooling anybody, no matter
how many times y'all run these talking points, and y'all
try to run the in and thet and you get
to you know, you control.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
The media and social media.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Real life is happening us, real life people that's on
the ground, that's living life every day. We understand the
direct impact of Donald Trump being president. Stop telling me
that the economy is good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
It's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
The economy is not doing good. Nothing is happening good
in America right now. So whoever you're trying to convince
that shit, don't try to convince us with that. Get
off these these fucking soap boxes, with these fake ass
talking points trying to tell us convince us a dumb shit.
I don't care how good your vocabulary is. I don't
care how many degrees you got. You are not convincing

(01:00:47):
the average everyday person. That was not a big difference
between Kamala and Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
I mean, you know, I don't have much to say
to respond to that, because I've obviously talked a lot
with my three points today.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I would say that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
If Kamala Harris was president, with black people still be
getting killed by police, but there's still be you know,
troubling the Middle East, a genocide happening, would there still
be a crisis around you know, many of the disparities
that people of color and people who are vulnerable, vulnerable,
would they be experiencing it? Absolutely, It's definitely one hundred

(01:01:28):
percent because the systems that operate it doesn't matter who's
at the head of it, it's going to continue to operate.
I was saying, you know that to somebody it might
have been. We were talking to a fear about it
last week on the show around the Mamdani administration, that
they could go in there with all of the hopes
and dreams that they want, you know, they can go

(01:01:49):
in there and talking diversity and inclusion.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
But guess what, black people still didn't get on nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
No black person was on the program at an event
lead that there should have been a black person and
there was no black deputy mayor assigned or appointed and
other things because systems in place allow things to happen
that have to be intentionally.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Corrected all the time, and it's work to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
You have to be intentional about it, and the intention
is so heavy that most people are not even up
for the responsibility because it's it's you know, you gotta
you have to sometimes fight against the person that sleeps
with you, right and so, And I mean, I'm just
thinking about that as it relates to the genocide in

(01:02:39):
uh In of the Palestinian people. The woman's husband, right,
Pallaa's husband. They never heard him say that there was
a genocide happening or speak in any way that gave
me the impression that he was a big supporter of
sanction in Israel. So I get that there would have

(01:03:01):
still been some extreme challenges, but to the point that
you're making when it balls down to the everyday issues,
Kamala Harris.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Is one of those who has fined.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Bills, stood with, walked in marches, spoke on behalf of
helped to draft bills around some of the small progress
that we have made as black folks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Right, she has been a part of that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
And we know for a fact that she just by
nature of her being who she is, a black woman
who has made it to the level that she's at.
There is no way that she would have come into
office and said get rid of DEI and then all
of a sudden hundreds of thousands of black women would

(01:03:49):
have fallen from the workforce.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Is no way that that would have been.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
In fact, if in fact more than three hundred thousand
black women did not have jobs under a Kamala Harris presidency.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I can promise you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
There would have been a summit, there would have been
a conversation. She would have instructed the fact chair to
do something about it, to do something, because that if
they happened to white women, even under this president, it
would be a national crisis and an international conversation. This
is intentionally designed for our communities. So I do not

(01:04:24):
believe that they are the same. I believe that they
both had problematic issues and we have to challenge them
because they're politicians and politicians in general have to be
challenged at every set. But what we're dealing with is
an intentional plan around dictatorship and authoritarianism, and it is
dangerous for our society in a way that we're going

(01:04:47):
to look back in some time and be unable to
unravel or at least take us decades to try to
fix some of what has now happened. And so I,
you know, I don't need get into because I know
what that all comes from.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
It's all bullshit. It's very dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
But that is why it's important for those of you
who are out there to continue to support those of
us who are not telling you not the challenge not
to be concerned not to say when you see something wrong,
but still have common sense and knowing that there was,
under no circumstances a man who wouldn't even rent apartments
to black people in years, you know, years prior, the

(01:05:30):
man who wanted to kill the Central Park five and
even have to find it out that they were exonerated,
still said, still wasn't willing to say anything that was
a course correction from that right, still wasn't able to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
And this was just recently, not Ali man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
This is after people down became city council members, spok
can't been in no trouble doing great work, you know,
Raymond Santana, doing great work in the community. After all
of that, they still still he still could not say
those men and what they experienced, I didn't know, and
I'm sorry still would happened. So I'll say all of

(01:06:11):
that to say to you that I will not get
into a back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I will leave that to y'all to do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
But I hope that what we are doing is providing
a balance that is necessary so people know where to
go to find information that does not make them that
they have to agree with everything that they say, but
they will know that the information they find on the
team my podcast is actually factual in terms of what
is happening today.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
And we're always going to speak truth to power and
give the facts that we have research and that we
have you know, credible messages, and we have credible resources
on our teams that are able to give us knowledge,
and that's what we're gonna always present.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I just it just it really disheartens me when I
hear that, and it's like, so we right now we're
in the midst of one of the worst administration, is
the most criminal administration in history. I have yet to
see a administration just rob the treasury like like they're
taking billions of dollars from taxpayers, literally just stealing money

(01:07:14):
from us every day.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
But you see, that's this is the thing for me
and where I differ from you. I don't try to
compare them to the worst. Yes, they are the worst,
but the stealing, the robbing of American resources, perhaps we
didn't see it in our lifetime because of our age,
but it's been the corruption has been there, the foundation

(01:07:38):
for the corruption has been there. So that's why that's
how people started getting into the ah no no, because
we didn't care about that. What we are seeing today,
what we are seeing happening right now is violent corruption.
It is dangerous, and it's particularly targeting black and other
vulnerable population.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
That is what's happening today.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
So if you want to go compare it to Reagan,
compare it to the Bushes who sole as far as
I'm concerned, in terms of the wars that they started
in other places, so they can still resources from other
nations and put people in wars and have people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Dying in Iraq and all of that. If you want
to go compare that, you can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
But today it's our responsibility to fight just like people
Reverend Jackson and others fought at their time in their
moment within this movement. But one thing we're not going
to do is make the false equivalents that we would
have been in the same situation where we still have
been dealing with problems, certainly because that's just the American way,

(01:08:45):
but it definitely would not look like what we see
happening right now. And God rests doctor Linda Davis, who
I do not believe that she, along with Renee Good
and Alex Pretty would have been murdered the way that
they were killed. Yes, deportation definitely would have taken place.

(01:09:08):
I am not suggesting that people have not been deported,
but the violent nature by which we see the Gustapo
running around the American society on our streets, no, that
would not have been happening under a Kamala Harris presidency,
and I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Concur And with that said, we've come to the end
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