Target Gate, Black Conservatives, and our Criminal Justice Reform Tour!

This week onTMI,Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne keep dive into personal growth, staying grounded through life’s highs and lows, and what it means to keep pushing forward in the middle of real-world pressure. From spiritual resets and everyday struggles to culture, community, and unapologetic truth-telling, this conversation blends humor, honesty, and perspective in a way that feels like sitting in on a powerful check-in between two people who’ve lived it.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it's your boy, my son in general.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of t M I.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Tamika and my song's information, truth, motivation and inspiration.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
New name, new energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I am Black Blessing, Holly Favorite. How you feeling today,
Tamika D.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Mallory.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Good, doing good? Just you know, week after week we
keep plowing through, that's it. But I'm doing good. I
feel actually very light. I've had some really relaxing and
spiritual moments over the last two or three. This last
weekend it was pretty good. Some good stuff happened. So

(00:42):
you know, we take the we take the blows and
the blessings all at the same time.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, that's that's exactly how you got to describe you
see my hat right, this is how I feel and
the spirit of you saying as plowing through. I'm just
glad that is no more snow. The streets is clear.
It ain't no dirty ice, none of that. It's just
like it's sitting the pathway for spring to come in.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Also, spring thirsty people. I never seen so thirsty for
spring in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Am just tired of cold ice and snow and I'm
just tired of it.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, listen, they say that the snow is healthy. I
told you this, I think last week. They say it's
healthy for the environment. So we should be in a
good place. We should be like ready for a beautiful
spring because we had enough snow. They say that it
helps with gourns, clears the air. That's wonderful. I didn't

(01:46):
know snow served that purpose, but then I forgot that
God did all things in perfect order. I forgot about
that that if it exists, it is here for a reason.
I don't know why rats are here, but because I
don't think they have a purpose.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
But I do know the stuff you eat.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, they eat stuff that I do eat, and that's
that there. Apes.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
The problem is the trash, right when it's all on
the floor and the way.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's not they leave them. No, I'm sorry because I mean,
I guess it's good and bad at all things, right,
because you think about snow, and snow can be beautiful
but also very dangerous if it's not handled properly. So
I get it that all things have the good and
evil of life. And you know, so cool, But no, rat,

(02:37):
they don't need to be here. There's nothing. I'm gonna
look it up because you know, I'm I'm all, I'm gone,
I get it. I know the people listening and watching
will say, I cannot believe these people in here again,
that this girl is bringing up these rat That's what
everybody says. The Mayor's office in New York City is
like me, Malory is sending emails about the rat because

(03:00):
it's about to be springing. They coming back with a vengeance.
They have been unable to move around the way that
they're used to, so it's about to be back on.
But anyway, I will not be derailed by that conversation.
But speaking of the good and evils of life, you know,
last week obviously was just a whirlwind of target Gate

(03:23):
and a whole lot of other things. That's not the
It's funny because people see what they see and know
what they know. They have no idea that there's a
bunch of other stuff going on. And this last week
was just like all kinds of things that we were
all dealing with until Freedom was like either putting out
fly fires or you know, dealing with different courageous conversations.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
It was just one.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
It was last week was crazy and it spilled over
into this week. Yesterday we had a really powerful all
day meeting with some folks that you know, we've had
just to just to come together and do our unity
conversations and like you said, like I said, courageous conversations,
and that has nothing to do with target Gate. That's

(04:10):
some whole other thing that you know, we were working
on all day. And so I feel like it's like
the Internet now makes it possible for people to see
the sausage of how all of this stuff comes together.
There's nothing new under the sun. As poor Berry and

(04:31):
my mama von Stell Mallory would say, all of the
things that people are seeing are things that have happened
ever since. Like there has been no movement where where
there's not drama and people, you know, calling calling out folks.
You know, it's different though, because it depends on how

(04:51):
you do things, but that's the need of hear or there. Nevertheless,
there's always been these conversations, the struggle and the tension
of the movement, the local and the national folks and
all of that. This is not new. In fact, you know,
over the last several days, I can't tell you the
amount of people who have sent me clips or excerpts

(05:12):
or videos of older tapes or older recollections of things
that happened in the movement in the past, and they're like, hey,
make sure you study this or read this, so you
could kind of understand some of whether if there was tension,
like what did they do to correct it? Or maybe
at times they walked, you know, walked away and did
their separate things, separate moves. And so I feel like

(05:37):
the only thing that's very different is that you didn't
have social media where it immediately hits the wire and
people just move with information, whether the information is accurate
or not. And so that's been like the thing of
the week. And I still I really do appreciate those though, who,
rather than publishing a story or just picking up what

(05:58):
they see online, have called us to say, hey, can
you give me your insight on what's going on or
let me share give you some time too, to talk
through your perspective, because that's not really a thing that
people always do when they're looking for clickbait, and they're
supposed to be journalists.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
By the way, Well, you know what I say is this,
somebody who does something in good face is going to
do it properly right, And when you actually want to
know the truth about something, then you're gonna take the
necessary steps to get the truth and just try to
understand what's going on. And when somebody doesn't do something

(06:40):
in good faith, or they don't care to know about
the truth, you know, or they just want to be
entertained by the line, they gonna go with that. And
those people you'll never win over. Don't matter how much
truth you can scream truth in a face. You could
show them paperwork, you can show them a video, they
gonna want to believe. It's like a Trump supporter, I
don't get you say that Trump supporter he is with Trump.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
They could tell you could show up or she he
or she is.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
With Trump, And you don't matter how much you prove
to them that he ain't ship and he did this
and he did that. They not moving off that square.
So you just got to let those people be where
they be, and you just got to continue to move
in good faith and deal with the people who move
in good faith. You know, Luckily we have some good
actors who actually, you know, want want to get to

(07:29):
the bottom of the truth. Because there's there's definitely more
sides of a story than two. But that's neither here
nor there. You know, I've learned and in the many
years I've been in this movement, not as many as you,
but you know, you cannot debate argue with anybody who

(07:50):
is hell bent on you being wrong. They just continue
to move the ball, They're gonna ignore facts, and they
just gonna stay where they are. So that's it for me.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, you know, I would say though that I think
it is true that you can't argue with people who
are determined to, like you said, they determined to say
that you're wrong no matter what. But you do have
a right to ensure that as narratives develop, the facts

(08:23):
of whatever may be are detailed, exposed or you know,
brought to the light. And so it's been in that
vein that over the last couple of days. I have
not really done anything super public about it. This is
probably the first time that we're on our platform talking
about this situation, but I have, when people call me,

(08:46):
been laying out the facts. And as I do that,
folks are like, wait a minute, like, how come you're
not going around everywhere using my platform, which is obviously,
you know, significant enough that I could make a thousand
videos and call a thousand people and get on shows,
and they would love it because everybody wants the story,

(09:08):
you know, they want the clickbait, like I said, of
it all, but I haven't done that because for thirty years.
It's been literally thirty years that I've been doing this work,
thirty years that I have been in communities, national local.
I was a super local organizer, not even I wouldn't
even consider myself to be a leader. I came from very,

(09:30):
very humble beginnings in the movement, and still at times
in my life today i am. I. While some people
consider me to be a national voice, still the fire
that burns in me really comes down to my cashion

(09:51):
or my concerns about things going on in my own community.
Like that's just that should be. No matter how much
your life expands and how much you cover on a
daily basis, you should always be somebody that cares about home.
And so no matter what I'm doing, I'm always still
connected to the politics and the organizing that happens in

(10:12):
New York, which is why I understand the whole need
to bring and continuously put the awareness and spotlight on
people who stay and knock the doors and do the
local community work that's very, very important to me. I've
always been one to do what I can, and I

(10:33):
know that, you know, it's not my first time at
the Rodeo, so I understand that there are challenges whenever
you have national voices. The media does a piss poor job,
as Joanne Reeve would say, of ensuring that they tell
a balanced story. That's always been an issue, and so
I recognize that, which is another reason why I think
I'm not as moved when I hear people, you know,

(10:57):
trying to discredit me. It doesn't move me like it
used to. You know, back in the days, I would
be all like, oh my god, I can't believe it.
But one, I understand the trauma, and two I don't
care because, like I said, thirty years of my life
I've been putting in work, and the people that matter know,

(11:17):
the folks that I need to continue to support me
and to be with me are people who is that.
You know, They've been reaching out, they've been tagging me,
they've been saying and just being like, we love you
and we need you to continue to do your work.
So we don't change that. We don't shift based upon
people howling in the background. Now, with that being said,

(11:40):
I think the conversation around who started the target boycott
first is for me, it's a distraction. And I guess
it's a distraction because I know that there was a
black woman who made the call for the boycott first,
really first, not the first revisionist history that other people

(12:01):
want folks to believe because it fits their narrative that
they were victimized. But the person who really was the
first one to call for a boycott? What sen it
to Meina Turner who called me, and we actually had
like screenshots to prove it. This is not something that
we're making up because it sounds good. No, there's actual

(12:24):
posts that are out there that clarify anyone's questions. I've
had a number of people in the media call me
and say, can you help me understand this right? And
then when I provide, I don't even talk. I wish
I could show you a text message. I got a
text message from somebody in the press and they said, well,

(12:45):
can you explain to me. You know, they're saying in
Minneapolis that you all co opted the movement from them,
Can you, you know, shed some light? Why would any
why would you guys do that, and I don't do
anything except send them the three posts and say look
at these dates and call me back. And in every
single situation they like, what like, I don't get it.

(13:07):
I mean the dates are the dates. On January twenty fifth,
Senator Nina Turner post calling for a boycott to begin
on February first.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Period.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
That's a fact. We are somebody, it's her organization. We
are somebody put that post out, she said. She didn't
say I'm figuring it out or we're gonna get back
to you. She said, on January twenty fifth, we are
calling for a boycott on February first of Target. That

(13:39):
saying day one of the local organizers in Minneapolis sent
out a post or posted rather something saying, Hey, I'm upset.
I know you're upset. Can't believe what Target has done.
What do you all think we should do about it?
Give me your ideas, shared with me what you think.

(14:03):
Good community. That's a great community input, letting people give
their ideas, thoughts and whatnot on where they should go.
Five days later, which is around the thirtieth, It was
the thirtieth of January, the local community, the local leaders
held a press conference in which they announced the same

(14:27):
thing that Nina turn It was saying February one, they're
beginning a boycott. So if we want to get into timelines, right,
the facts are the facts. The dates are the dates.
They're now on the screen so that you all who
are listening can see it for yourself. So those of

(14:48):
you who have ran with this conversation that we co
opted a movement from local leaders, that would be impossible
strictly based upon the fact that on January twenty fifth,
a black woman named Nina Turner was the person to

(15:08):
call for a boycott a target wal Ta Mika. Why
haven't y'all said anything? You led us to believe that
what we were being told and what we're seeing in
all these outlets is factual. Well, the reason why we
haven't said anything, it's the same reason why for the
entire year of this piece, the entire year, this conversation

(15:30):
has come up whether or not we stole the idea
from because that's what co opting means. It means that
the folks locally had an idea and we, as people
who are national quote end quote, took that idea and
we decided to move forward with it and act like

(15:50):
other people didn't create the concept, the idea or go
forward with it first. That's what it would mean to
co opt someone else this idea or concept, and obviously
based upon the facts that you all are looking at
right now, that's impossible because unless Nina Turner got into

(16:12):
the minds of people, she never had a conversation with
the fact that she posted something on January twenty fifth
would technically mean that it was coopted from her. But
we ain't gonna go to it because she doesn't even
that ain't even in her mind. And for the entire year,
while people were throwing this at us because we heard

(16:35):
it here and there, we said nothing. We said absolutely nothing,
because the conversation even me today, with all the things
we got going on in the world, taking the time
to go on a press run to try to correct
or to show the receipts and all of that stuff

(16:56):
is the most petty thing ever. And quite frankly, if
I'm you the person who's listening to this today, you
might want to know, because it's good to just know
what you're dealing with, But you want this conversation to
move quickly away because Trump them bombing other nations and

(17:17):
doing things that could get us killed. They cutting snap benefits,
They are having people kidnapped off of our streets. Hundreds
of thousands of black women are out of work. I
saw someone talking about black men rapidly losing jobs as well.
Budgets have been cut, people are struggling. Food prices are up,

(17:39):
Inflation is out of control. Access to good healthcare is
almost nonexistent for people who live in particular communities. I mean,
we're dealing with the plethora of issues, and so just
to be sitting in one spot trying to make the
case that we didn't co op anybody's movement, to me,

(18:03):
it's petty. It's a distraction. And by the way, I
think that everybody involved in challenging a major corporation for
the disrespect and betrayal of our community, it's good for everybody.
It's good for the goose to Ganda, and every other
kind of metaphor that we could use.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
That makes sense because I think I think for me right, right,
because I'm always like a fly on the wall, right
because since we do work together, our organization is together
nine out of ten times when these situations happen, even
when I'm not at the forefront. I'm right there, so

(18:48):
you know, we we we're traveling or we're working, and
we get calls from people like Nina calls or to Tamika,
I need you to help me do this. So I'm
right there at the time. What is what we what
we got going on? So you call all of us,
Hey is what we're doing? So I know the intricate
parts of the things. And sometimes it makes it pisses
me off that you don't defend it because but I
understand there's a level of maturity and there's also a

(19:13):
level of you just have a veteran mindset. Me. I'm
just always getting warmote because it's like, now you're not
going to be attacking us, you know, because it's us.
When when they do it to you, when they do
it to our feel it's us to me. So it
actually bothers me. And when we have receipts right and
the thing for it, for me, it's not even it's
the receipts right, because the dates are the dates and

(19:34):
we can't even you know, but there is so much
history in it, you know, not even the fact that
it wasn't co opted. It was actually what you always
do and have always done, is that you try to
work in community with people and even though it wasn't
something that was cor opted, just understanding these are local individuals, Hey,

(19:56):
how do we work with them. Let's try to bring
them into whatever situation sho we do, and just knowing
from the first conversation with individuals the level of just
venom and just nastiness which is displayed all over the
internet now which you see the level this is, This
is how people have been communicating from the beginning of

(20:19):
this situation, you know, and just understanding that, just watching
that and it's like wow, you know, and a lot
of times there's a lot of resentment for us as national.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
It's not even just as national.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I mean, well just us period.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I just people just have their personal thing. But I
say national because you don't want me to tell you
why I want to deem it as national. Because when
when I was just going outside and I was protesting
for forty days for Debora Day and now, or I
was doing the rallies outside with our kids and we
were doing rallies in the Bronx, there wasn't this level

(20:57):
of animosity and two of those things stuff going nationwide
and you start doing things national and people start seeing
you there becomes a resentment because they see you in
places that they're not right. So what I started to
understand that this comes, this comes with the territory.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Right. So I understand you. You've been doing it way
longer than me.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
You've been with the top activists, leaders and all of
this in the world for majority of life, so you've
seen them receiving. But I think for me, it's because
I come from such a genuine place. Right when you
start to try to accelp my integrity, when you start
to say I'm stealing sun or I'm doing something that
doesn't go according to who I am, where I'm from,

(21:43):
all you have is your reputation.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Right, my face is good.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I can go in any community because my face is
good because I don't backbite nobody. I don't do grind
me shit, and I live my life a certain way.
So when I hear somebody trying to put that on me,
I I'm offended, and I personalize it because I come
from a different thing, you know. But understanding where you
come from, and I've learned to, you know, try to temperate.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
So yeah, I mean, you know, and like I said,
I get it. I actually understand. I felt discarded. Excuse me,
I felt disregarded. I have felt overlooked. I have felt like,
you know, I've done all this work and then people
because you know, this levels to this thing, right, So
you got these other people who people talk about we

(22:29):
national leaders. You got people whose supernational leaders. They get
to go everywhere, they get to go to the protests,
and they get to go to the White House and
the big meetings and all of that, and meanwhile there
are some of us who are holding the line on
the street. I remember during it, during the time when
we were really out there for Breonna Taylor, I was

(22:51):
seeing people on national TV talking about it like they
have been on the ground. They ain't Senna Dine. They
weren't involved at all. You know, hadn't done any work
in terms of the blood and sweat that we put
in that and by the way, again the sausage making.
We had beef and challenges there right in Kentucky, especially

(23:11):
when we first got there. It was up sometimes when
people the hell of y'all. But at the end of
the day, Breonna Taylor's family was like, don't y'all leave us.
We need you. You need to stay here. And there
were many people in the community. Some that we started
out and things was pretty rocky, and by the time
we got to the end of four years, they were
like wow. Not only did they come, but we bought

(23:31):
our resources. When we raised money, we gave out millions
of dollars of the money that we bought in into
the people of Kentucky. Everything from cash apps that people
need to keep their houses folks, to feeding people with
grocery boxes. And guess what, there was people that said, oh,
it ain't the right stuff in the box. What I'm

(23:54):
gonna do with egg plant? Don't egg plant? So it's
always gonna be some no matter what you bring a
free stuff. And there were people when we took it
to different communities we went into, I think it was
like a Somalian community, very quiet community that didn't even
want to open their doors. But after a while they
got to see this, Okay, there's actually video of us

(24:15):
there bringing boxes, knocking on doors, dropping off food. Small community.
And as we were doing that, those people, the people
who really really seriously were like thank you and appreciative
of it. They were like, man, we will cook up.
I'm about to go I'm about to go claude. I'm
no longer saying chat. I'm saying claude now for a
while those people who were like, let me go Google

(24:39):
or look up how to make egg glant, because I
appreciate the fact that you brought me something that you
had and we got that, thank god, traded true, contacted
somebody like it was real work that went into what
can we do not to just come into this community
with this big rush of protest and you know it's
a police state because we're here, We're bringing all of

(25:00):
this extra energy. What can we do to provide some
relief to the community? And some people didn't like it,
and then there were others, most the majority who did.
So it's a contact sport. And I tell people that
all the time because you know when people text me
and they like, oh my god, are you okay, Like
I'm praying for you. Because for them, when they see
folks coming at me and all of this drama that we,

(25:23):
you know, are experiencing, they get like immediately sick, like
what do we do in fight a flight? Right? And
I've been calming people down to say, let me just
tell you then when you do what we do which
means that you are moving around for real. And we
do this podcast, but this show is really it is

(25:44):
a tool for us to get information out directly about
what we're involved in or our thoughts on issues that's
happening around the nation and around the world. But it
does not at all take the place of the actual
boots on the ground they movement. We was in the
community yesterday again for seven hours, eight hours in back

(26:07):
rooms dealing with real serious shit around organizing in New
York City, and we do that in different places around
the country. Like we was with real people that do
real work all day yesterday helping to plan what it
looks like for a broad movement of folks who come
from all different perspectives to unify in order to accomplish

(26:30):
a goal together. That's the real work, right And so
later in the month you see you'll see the fruits
of it when they come forward to talk about their
plans and all of that. And that could be done
through our podcast, But the podcast isn't the work. The
work is on the ground. And so I get it.
I understand the need for everybody, not just locally, but everybody,

(26:55):
because even as a person who's considered to be a
national leader. There are moments when folks who are the
supernational leaders, it seemed to have a more prominent position
in being in getting attention for work that we're doing right.
So it it's a trickle down effect. And no, you'll

(27:17):
never see me using slander as a way to describe it.
And to your point, I made a post the other day.
Just let somebody talk long enough and people will begin
to see because I went from folks like, oh my god,
you know, did did Jamal steal this woman's idea? And

(27:38):
then I corrected, you know, always had the receiech just
never took the time to go through that right, and
I correct it and say, this is not no way
that that can happen. When Nina Turner, a black woman
who is being completely erased that she is also a
black woman, called for a boycott and she called Jamal
and myself. So when I explain that to them, they're like, oh,

(28:01):
they but they but they still feel like, well, damn,
I can't believe that you guys would just like go
and just take their idea and and act like they
never came up first with the idea of a boycott
being off February first, and so that's that's that's they'll
they'll say that to me, and you can tell that

(28:21):
they really feel concerned after they get the information. It's
kind of like, hmm, but the nail is solid in
the wall once they listen to the venom that is
being spewed against us, not somebody who was just stating
the facts. Because the next question most people asked me

(28:44):
is well, why couldn't all of y'all work together? And
there was a time when and I'm not even talking
about in this last week. I'm saying before last week,
there were folks like, why can't why y'all not all
working together? I don't understand. So now what I've done
is I just take a clip of the behavior of

(29:05):
the individuals and I just send it to them and
don't even say anything, and to just my thing is
just look at this. And then, especially if you know
me and you know that God ain't through with me,
So when you come at me with a certain level
of aggression and accusations and not willing to have sensible,
respectful conversations, then my response, in some cases, I'm working

(29:28):
on it, but I'm not there. And to be quite honest,
at forty five, I don't even know if I'm even
willing to work on it that much more. I try.
I do a little bit, but I'm out here again
in a contact sport. So when I hit the ground
somewhere and you come at me with all that aggression,
I have to make sure you know that we could
do it one way or the other way, but you're
not gonna in any way press me like that's not

(29:51):
gonna happen. I'm not gonna be pressed because we not.
If we're gonna be in the street and we gotta
do it that way, it's a whole lot of motherfuckers
around as ready to go with that. And that's when
I'll be trying to keep you calling, because you know,
y'all go off, y'all be like what we doing, which
which direction we taking? And I'll be trying to say

(30:12):
I don't want that to happen. So therefore then I
try to work on tempering myself, and in most cases
I just get up and leave the room and try it.
But I'm not gonna stop doing what God has caused
me to do. That's not going to happen, because then
I still feel pressed. I'm not going to do that.
I'm still going to continue doing the work that I

(30:35):
have been called to do. And so I guess the lessons,
and I guess there are many lessons. Oh God. I mean,
I can tell you the things that I sat with
and thought about over this last week about, you know,
where I could have done things better in terms of
not not a local but what dynamic local, national, all

(30:55):
of that stuff. I'm not even talking about that, but
in terms of messaging and making sure that people more
clearly understood. And the problem is that you say something
so many times. So we explain the target fast, and
we were doing the target fast, and Jamaw was out there,
you know, promoting the target fast. And you know, something

(31:19):
that started for forty days ended up being extended for
four hundred days. And thank God for his creativity because
without him thinking through, what can we do to merge
community and clergy and you know, the Black Church and
get people to take an action because you know, when
you go somewhere or you eat something, or you use

(31:41):
something every day or frequently for a certain period of time,
breaking that habit is like breaking an addiction. And in
many ways, Target was an addiction for folks and they say,
if you stop anything for more than twenty days, you
will likely not go back, or you are at least
will not have as part of a time being able

(32:04):
to let it go. And so when he came up
with this creative idea of a forty day fast, it
was like, we know that we will help to get
people out of the idea that the only place they
can go is to a big white corporation. Forget about
the name Target just having to get your stuff from

(32:26):
a big box white corporation. We don't have to do that.
There's mom and pop shots. Here's a list. This is
These are other things that the Target Fast did, which
was to put forth a list of black businesses in
coordination with the Chamber cut the Black Chamber of Commerce. Also,
you know, throughout this process, Pastor Brian and other pastors

(32:50):
opened up their churches to have events where vendors could
come and sell their products directly to businesses, or to
could come and sell their products directly to the community.
I mean, all of those things was a part of
the creative work of the Fast. And you know, even

(33:10):
though I thought, or we think people are hearing it
because you're saying it every day, the reminder, and the
lesson is that everybody is still not going to hear it,
even if you say it two times every day. It's
just not going to happen. The algorithm doesn't allow us
to organize in that way. And so you know, we
could do a better job of thinking through what the

(33:34):
proper marketing campaigns are and also recognizing that any sudden moves,
any sudden moves, has the ability to confuse and disrupt
a larger campaign or a larger initiative that the community
is working on. So these are things that you learn

(33:55):
as you are on the field, right as you are
out there doing the work. It doesn't mean that people
have bad intentions. It doesn't mean that anybody got paid.
And all of that. Nobody nobody got a dime from Target,
not one dime, not one dome. That's Jamal Bryant, myself,
Nina Turner, all those involved, not one dime. And you know,

(34:17):
but what we did get was some lessons, some lessons
about instincts, when your gut is telling you something, how
to move forward with it. I mean, these are things
that you need in life, and the only way you
learn the lessons is to actually do the things that
put you in a space to learn, and so you know,
that's all I got to say. And I promise you

(34:39):
that I have no intention I can't wait until all
of this is clicked up properly and we got it
all in one concise package, because every time anybody asked me,
I'm going to refuse to have any conversation. I will
not be going around back and forth with folks, because,
like you said, those people who are sensible, who really

(35:02):
want to understand the full picture and where we go
from here, they will hear this and say, okay, now
I understand that there were no ill intentions. Right, there's
no ill intentions. How we can coordinate better, organize better.
All of that is stuff that I wish it was

(35:23):
there was an easy way of doing it, because guess what,
they ain't been able to do it in all of
these movements at times. Sometimes and you know we don't.
We done have knockdown dragouts that in the end we
come outside and everybody is together. Those situations happen, but
it's a balance of maybe fifty to fifty. We don't
walk away from many tables, and people have walked away

(35:45):
from us when we ask to be able on other
people like Roland Martin tried to work on bringing us
together the folks there in Minneapolis and us. They refused.
And this was months after we This February was when
like late January, and February is when we started talking.
And then by the time you get to April, because
obviously it fell apart, and by the time you get

(36:07):
to April, folks like Roland Martin are trying to bring
us back together. We were prepared, we said yes, and
they refuse, and that's okay, that's well, maybe it's not
because of all of what we have seen at this point,
but nevertheless, it is what it is. And again you
learn these things as time goes on, that we have

(36:28):
to be able to couch table, sit down, sat down
our personality issues and figure out the best way to
be able to work on behalf of our communities. So
I get it. I understand all the perspectives. I understand,
and I understand the community saying we confused and we're pissed, right,

(36:52):
I get that. I understand that. I understand a local
community that is going through a lot. There's all kinds
of oppression happening to the people in Minnesota. For various reasons.
They have been through way too much, and they are
constantly up against being on the front lines of having

(37:13):
to fight things that's happening across the nation, but coming
down on them in ways that's unthinkable, whether it be
George Floyd or now the kidnapping, the ice kidnappings that's
happening that took the lives of many people, and two
people we watched with our own eyes the trauma unfold
right there, and these folks have been doing their work

(37:36):
and out there making it happen. So I understand that perspective.
I understand the perspective of those people who want to present,
protect and preserve the intellect right of black women, right.
I completely understand that. And I also understand the call

(37:58):
in from the large community to say, I can't believe
y'all couldn't get along, to be able to do this
work together so that we can make impact for long
term impact. So I get it all. I get it all.
I respect everybody who you know has been walking with
all of these different contradictions, But I can't let people

(38:19):
say that we co opted and stole a concept from
someone when five days before ever talking to them, Senator
Nina Turner, a black woman who called me and asked
for my help, had already made that call for the
boycott to begin on February first. So that's it. I'm
a week when y'all folks get together and clip this.

(38:40):
Mysan and Janie, We're gonna take it, and anybody that
wants to know, we will use it as a way
to help them be informed as to our truth. The truth,
the truth, our perspective, and the love that we have
for the community that I ain't got. You know, I'm
not here trying to be with nobody, so I'm not

(39:00):
even getting ready to talk about it. That's it for me.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
You know, I ain't really done with me, So I'm
not gonna say nothing. You know you got what you got.
I'm just saying for.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Me, say nothing. Now you're saying you're gonna say for you.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I'm just saying, but my integrity is just not in question.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, Moving along.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
That's it, question of my integrity, Thank you? Moving moving along.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
So this weekend we did our event, our five borough
Criminal Justice Reform Tour, which started in the Bronx in
my neck of the woods in the highbrid section. Shout
out to the highbrids Green School for hosting us. It
was an amazing event. I had some of my friends,
people that have been on the front line of this

(39:55):
movement in criminal justice reform and violence prevention, formerly incarcerated,
justice impacted individuals, you know, criminal justice experts, and community members.
I like, we're all in one room in which we
talked about solutions. We talked about different programs, We talked
about things that hinder the growth and development and formerly

(40:18):
incarcerated individuals and returning citizens. We talked about how do
we improve that. We talked about schooling. We talked about,
you know, the trajectory into crime into the prison system,
how do we prevent that. We talked about restorative measures.
We have people cry on the panel, brothers that I've
known for years who have been street dudes who have

(40:39):
turned their life around, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Or it was just a real touching conversation.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
We got input from the community who talked about what
they wanted to see, you know, because we really just
want to galvanize this energy and get this data. Because
we talk about criminal justice reform, those directly impacted have
to be the solution. Then we want to also educate
the community who don't know what goes on inside the

(41:04):
criminal justice system, misinformed who have getting, you know, getting
sound bites and narratives that, oh, if you commit a crime,
you're just a criminal. If something happened you, your life
is over, and all these things. So we want to
inform you that US formally cosstrated, because I'm formally cross
for US individuals, we have something to provide, you know.

(41:24):
I remember when I was appointed to the transition team
for the Mayor of New York City. You know, the
backlash that I received from my criminal history, you know,
being labeled a crime boss and having my picture on
the front of the newspaper the negative light, And it
just showed me how they want to They want to

(41:46):
label you as probably the worst minute of your life,
and they want to make it seem as if that's
who you are.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
You know, even even when you have done the thing.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
You know, in my case, I was falsely accused and
forsely convicted. But even when you have committed those because
the reality situation I was in, there was a side
of me that was in the streets at one time
in life where I committed crimes and did things they
were wrong.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
So I always seen it as maybe it was my comma.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Maybe it was something that you know, that God wanted
me to go through or needed me to go through,
to bring me to my purpose. You know what I
feel like in this moment, I'm fulfilling my purpose and
I'm uniting individuals who I know have a lot of
good inside them, who are brilliant, you know, who are resourceful,
love our community, who want to change, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
So I'm so glad I had my brother five on
the panel. You know, I love Five so much. He's
a real solid organizer in New York. And there was
a lot of other people there. I probably shouldn't just
single out five because all the voices are important, But
I come up with five. Yeah, I come up with five,
and I just I am.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Live just so knowledgeable man. Yes, it's like a professor.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
He never stopped.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Never.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Never.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
He talked about how two days after he was released.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
From the correction system, that he had he had started
two nonprofits in two days.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
He talked about how he immediately hit the ground running,
you know, and just just it just shows you the
resilience of us individuals who are just as impacted, you know,
the will to want to come back to society and
be a productive member, and it's so many of us, man,
So I really want to galvanize that energy and grab

(43:39):
those individuals to speak to the youth who are heading
in the direction that we know they are heading there, right.
I want to create centers. I want to create schools
where formerly incarcerated individuals are able to grab those you know,
those kids who are on a trajectory into prison before
they get there and galvanize that energy because a lot

(44:03):
of them just have misguided energy, you know, and if
you put that energy in a proper way before they
get to prison, they'll be so productive.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
So, you know, that's ultimately the.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Goal that I want to have. You know, I really
want to make sure that our kids, especially our young
black and brown boys, have opportunities because you know, not
only does the criminal justice system do them bad, the
education system is not fit for us. I had a
conversation about that as well, being in the education system
as a young boy, young black boy with energy with

(44:36):
you know, thoughts and energy. I often have this conversation
about my son when I was taking them to school
one day and he just started crying, and camera is
probably about I want to say, he's about eight or nine,
and I was like, what are you crying for?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Cam?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
And he was like, because I don't want to go
to school. I don't like school. And I'm like, why
don't you like school? And he said, because I don't
really learn in school. They just want you to sit
down at the desk and be quiet and this and that.
And I learned or of being in nature. I learn
off of being outside. I learn off of hearing and
seeing things. That's where I feel like I'm learning and

(45:13):
I don't feel like I get that in school. And
it really touched me because I remember being a kid
that felt like that, right. And when we talk about
the education system and they say a lot of black
boys are failing, they aren't excelling inside the school system,
is because the school system is not developed or designed

(45:34):
for us and the way we learn, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
So I want to.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Create schools that actually implement the proper methods, in forms
and forms that we can actually learn it to where
we get the maximum of our brain working. It doesn't
stifle our creativity, it doesn't stifle our energy, and it

(45:58):
doesn't kill you know what it is that we have
to fire and the energy inside?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that so much. You know,
I look at my granddaughter and you know she learns
from so many different things. School is important because you
can see since she's been going to school, she's three
years old. Thank God. In New York, the communities, the
education activists and advocate shout out to our sister Zekiah.
I'm sorry it was her birthday recently. Happy birthday you

(46:27):
so much.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
This sister.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
You know, people like her and others far previous administrations
to create a pre K line that would really benefit
our children three and four years old. You and we
have that. We literally have that opportunity for a three
year old to go to school here, and I know
some states may have it, but there's a lot of
people that that's not a thing. They kids show up

(46:51):
to school at five for kindergarten. Well, we have something
special in New York. And you can see where Blair
has developed since she's been in school. But I will
say that she also learns from other things. Miss Rachel,
the lady on TV. I don't know Miss Rachel is selling.

(47:12):
It must be some mental telepathy thing that's coming through
the TV, because it's unbelievable how my granddaughter can take
what miss Rachel says, and she will repeat it verbatim.
She knows the show and it's not you know, she
ain't singing drop down and get your eagle on. She

(47:32):
all here saying, you know, open it up, put it back,
close it, zipper pepper, things like that, because she's learning
from that. She also learns from back and forth, you know,
between human contact. She learns from all types of things.
So to your point, kids need that. And when we
restrict a child's ability to learn, and then that happens

(47:55):
over so many years, then when they do crazy things
or they don't feel they don't feel like in their fullness,
then we look at my, Oh, what's wrong with you? You dumb,
you slow, you bad? You know, you're a criminal, instead
of us knowing that the systems that folks are trying
to operate in are really not especially for black people.

(48:16):
Like we are a different breed of individuals. We're a
different form, if you will, of individuals. We come from
the We are the creation of civilization. So you can't
box us into a classroom because you can't teach us
as well as our instincts teach us. Our instincts just

(48:36):
need space for it to grow. It needs space to
be able to you know, move forward and in a
way that is I want to say creative, but but
but even more than that, like we have to be
able to blossom. That's that's the best way to describe it.
So I love what is happening with the townholes. It's

(48:58):
all five boroughs over the next several months until Freedom
led by you and Attorney Angelo Pinto, y'all are out
there in community calling people together to talk through what
it is to be a returning citizen or a person
who you're trying to keep out you don't want them

(49:18):
to become a returning citizen. And people who are inside
dealing with the challenges of being incarcerated in this moment
and looking at all the collateral consequences looking at I
think our brother Jay Jordan for giving us that terminology
because it's so real and just you know, understanding what

(49:41):
this system does to our communities in general, and sometimes
the shit, the f stuff we be doing that gets
ourselves in situations where they can easily suck you up.
So five Boroughs look out for more info. The first
one I wasn't there, but I can tell from the
feedback from the fol those. It was powerful, it was strong.

(50:02):
Let's keep building community, come out. This is the stuff
that you said you wanted to see as a result
of us being a part of the transition team for
May and Mom Donnie. We are not going to stop
the work just because the transition team itself has dissolved,
because now he's no longer transitioned and he's actually in office.

(50:22):
But we haven't stopped our work. And thankfully we're working
with an administration that actually respects the recommendations, the thoughts,
the ideas of of you know, of of those of
us who are involved. And we also will be collecting
data for people to be able to see it in
black and white what some of the the the issues,

(50:45):
if you will, are that's at the forefront of the
criminal justice system. So shout out to you manin Soli
could work the work. Shout out to brother Angelo, and
let's just keep building.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
That's right, and all sort of solutions, not just the problems.
When we're coming with solutions.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I love I saw y'all doing something on the boards
with people are putting there the issue the solution. So
that's that's good stuff. Thank you, thank you for doing
that work because we know it's really really very needed.
I wasn't I'm not gonna do a thought of today
today because I thought all of what you've heard. But
I guess I can do a short thought of the

(51:21):
day because if Janice was she would say no, but
I need it for my work, and so my thought
of the day very fast is I watched, you know,
Tiana Taylor responding to someone who a security guard who
shoved her during the oscars. I don't know if she's
at a party or whatever. I didn't look that deep
into it, but I know her. She's like all about

(51:43):
like peace and tranquility, ain't trying to have drama with anybody.
And so for her to have to respond to being
physically touched and say the up person, you're very rude
and basically, don't shove me, and know also knowing where
she comes from, that she's cool, but don't push me
too far. Because I had to, like me, revert back
to some stuff that I'm trying to contain. As I

(52:07):
watched that, it made me think about Kelly Roling, and
I've seen a few people. I thought about it before
any commentary online brought Kelly rolling up because I didn't forget.
But now I see that others, like minds, think alike,
have started talking about when Kelly was at I think
it was the met gala, or it could have been
a different event. She's walking up the steps and you

(52:29):
can see she had an encounter with a security individual
who happened to be a white woman, and you see
Kelly like letting her notes, don't touch me. And the
thing that came to me is that we as black women,
are constantly having to deal with people putting their hands
on us, like this is a real problem, that we're

(52:49):
constantly having people touching our hair, touching our bodies, violating
our space, disrespecting us, whether it be with words, with
their acts. I literally can't go. I was just you
and I were together when I was telling the owner
of a restaurant that people who are our friends that

(53:10):
they were like, well, why don't you go to a
pilates class in this other community? And the community that
they would suggesting is an all white basically not all white,
but it is a primarily white community, And I said,
I can't go to a class in that community because
I already know what to expect, the microaggressions, the you know,

(53:33):
the nasty looks, the snickers, the whole thing. I already
know the person that starts talking about Trump as loud
as possible because they recognize me, Like this is my life,
and so I feel so much what Tiana and of
course Kelly, what they've experienced. And I just just want
to say to the people who are listening, like, it's

(53:55):
not easy trying to keep your cool when people be
fucking with you. It's not easy. It's not easy trying
to keep your cool when people are always violating your space.
And as black women, we are constantly having to navigate
through not looking like the crazy person by responding to

(54:18):
someone who did something that no one saw, no one
saw that nobody saw, who put when she was shoved,
you know what I'm saying. I ain't seen no video
for the Jadak, but we know because of her reaction
that she felt disrespected and it's sad. And these security people,
I'm not sure who's training them. I'm not sure why
they have it in their minds that they are now God.

(54:40):
And we talked about this on a show many many sea,
many many shows ago that these security folks have it
in their heads that somehow they are the beginning and.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
End of.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Justice if you were not even I didn't even think
that's the right way to describe it. Of disciplinary actions,
they think that they have become another form of law enforcement,
which is problematic in and of itself, because guess what,
law enforcement is also being taught that it's okay to
violate people's civil rights, and therefore, you know, we watch that,

(55:17):
we watch that same behavior just trickle down into anybody
that has a badge that thinks that that badge gives
them license to disrespect people in general, and particularly black folks,
and it needs to be addressed on the highest levels
of training. People need to be fired. Folks do not
need to be allowed to disrespect other communities or other

(55:41):
individuals just because they think they have some form of authority.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
The one hundred per cent right. I always have issues
with security. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
It's just that they feel like they have to be
aggressive with me or push me or get in my face,
and it's like, I don't do well with that.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
I do not react well when you are trying to
over aggress me.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
So like I'm getting a lot better, Like you know,
the last few situations, I've kept my cool, but I
really because a lot of the security guards just want
to abuse their power because they feel like they have power.
They want to show you that you can't stand here
and if I tell you to move, you have to
do something and this and that, and it's just like me,
I'm just I'm not gonna be oppressed, you know, I'm

(56:25):
just not That's not my thing.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I shall not be moved.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I should not be moved.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
So you know, you know, you know, shout out to
my sister Tianna for you know, just speaking.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Her mind and letting know that, hey, you're not going
to just.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Be pushing me, because she couldn't the person in the face,
like I though, she got that in and she set
it straight up like if we having a good times,
having a good time, don't come in here with that energy.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Because that be the ship. It's like it's like you mad,
maybe you mad.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Because this is not your thing and you just you
at work and people's enjoying instead of just you know,
letting people in.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
This is the biggest night of my life.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
You know, we won awards, We dressed up and you
here being overly aggressive, like yeah, we got our good
clothes on. You know what I'm saying, people's joined, we
ain't see each other. You've got the biggest stars in
the world, and you in here being overly aggressive to
people like folk. What like you Listen, I don't know
what happened at home. I don't know what you got

(57:24):
going on with you not getting it on whatever, But
don't bring it here because we were in a good space,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
So shout out to them for that.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
No so any will I personally have to go because
I am getting ready to go to a conference call
where a lot of folks are coming together to talk
about the women of Bedford Hills Prison in New York.
They are dealing with some real serious things. Then I'm
not gonna get ahead of myself by talking about the

(57:55):
details on the show, although I know many of the issues.
But just so folks know, there's some breaking news around
the women who are incarcerated in Bedford Hills. People have
died and folks, you know, are really being as you said,
oppressed in that jail. This is not you know, there

(58:19):
are some people who think, well, they're in jail, but no,
there's actually you have human rights, You have human rights,
you have civil rights. Jails are supposed to be good
stewards of the resources that they have to incarcerate, but
not to harm people. And in this situation, these women
are being violated times ten. And you know, women often

(58:43):
don't get the support that they deserve. We've worked with
helped support it a number of male facilities and people
who are incarcerated. And this time I'm very not excited
because that would be the wrong word to use, but
I am bigger. Eager is good, thank you, thank you. Yeah, eager.

(59:06):
I wouldn't even say that. I was gonna say so. No,
it's the eager is the right word. To join the
movement with my sister Carmen Perez to figure out what
we could do to support these women. So if you
want to jump over there on the call with that's
my song for yet another project in your life, you
know you can do it.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I'm probably I'm gonna let that. Let y'all handle this,
because y'all got this. I'm gonna do my I don't
get it while you know, while you will go in world,
because I got a couple of things that I would
like to say, No.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Go ahead, I can stay a little bit for you.
I don't get it, but then I got pought.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Okay, So yeah, So for my I don't get it right.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
There's been a lot of talk about Jasmine Crockett and
you know, her not winning the primary, and you know,
there was a lot of talk about it.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
She didn't win.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Nobody she didn't get enough votes. You know, they talked
about her campaign. She got over a million votes, you know,
and and for me, that in itself is a victory,
you know, because people don't vote give a million votes.
So she made a primary. You know, she lost the
primary to Tylerico Cool. So I've been hearing a lot

(01:00:16):
of conservative people make fun of her, like, ah uh huh.
You know, I've watched and I'm black conservatives, black conservatives,
not just conservatives, but black conservatives.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Oh, nobody wanted to hear that. You know, she was
popping the neck.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Nobody wanted to hear the ghetto all this and she
did this and that, and I just listened to it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Now, on the other hand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
We have Wesley Hunt, right, who was on the conservative
side on the primary. Now, Wesseley Hunt is supposed to
be the clean cut He's the clean cut black man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
He speaks properly, does all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
And he's the good guy, you know, and he got
barely two hundred thousand votes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
He wasn't even in the running, like he was like
in third or fourth place. Wow. So my, my, what
I don't get.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I don't get Black Conservatives because for me is this,
why would you be a part of a party that
won't vote for you? Ninety eight percent of the people
that y'all put up the run that y'all think is
the most clean cut that try to fit in. You
sound like the white man, you have the vernacular, you

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go to the school, you do all of these things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You you move.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Properly, you know, you talk proper You do all of
this shit, and they won't vote you in. But you
still stay determined to be a part of a party
that don't want you like want you like. It's the

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craziest ship. Like I've been watching probably for the last
because I've really been paying attention to. They're like, yo,
we black people, we we originally were Republicans are serving
and I'm like, so, why won't they vote you in?
I watched they did an election where they ran over
eighty candidates as Black Conservatives, and only one or two

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of them one eighty all across every day said they
literally ran eighty people and probably two to one, maybe
three maybe, But I'm just trying to say, when you
look at the ratio of the amount of black people
that they actually vote into office.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
They don't want you there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
So the fact that you laughing at a black woman
that's in the Democratic Party that got over a million votes, right,
that ran neck and neck with the top candidate, when
y'all barely even scratching the surface on the other side,
and y'all running the people y'all say is educated and
this and that. I remember someone was like, yeah, I

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want to see Jasmine Crockett debate. It gets Wesley for
what what? Wes he not even in the ranking? Why
would you debate somebody that's not even in the ranking?
And these are the people that run behind Trump? Is
the best man Trump? You know, shout out to Eric
Beney because Eric had a whole video about Wesley Hunt

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and he said he got a coon mouth and this
ship had this video is the most funniest video. I
think is my new best friend in my head because
he'd be saying this ship that I be thinking all
the time, do y'all because y'all always like nice, you
gotta relax because you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I got a lot better. But in my old days
I was Eric Bene.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
I I would say what the fuck I wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Now they want to tell us about Aliens, I don't
give off fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
He's an et out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Yeah it's our cold story, bro, what's up with them
Epstein files?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Though you tell a fuck about none of them did
nothing to be you telling me about. That's right, exactly
your listener, if you listen and we want to interview you, yeah,
my share, like that's that's like one of my dream interviews.
Just have him up here just talking his ship. Ain't

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We ain't trying to censor you. You can say what
the fuck you want. I don't care. Get it off
your chest, man, but shout out to erk Ben. But yeah,
that's just what my I don't get it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Understand the conservative black people because they don't want you
in the party.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Want every now and then.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
You're not going to elevate you unless you lose your.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Soul exactly, like you gotta completely sell everything, like your ass,
your soul, your brain, everything completely like you gotta go
through a whole bunch of ship to actually get voted.
It's just that they want I'm like, yo, what's the hunting?
He did all of that? Ask kids, and you did
you know, like all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Trump Trump Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Trump's a good guy and Trump didn't even endorse you.
But it's really this should be so weird, man, you know.
And the one to two that they actually got in,
they still kissing ass and just don't get anywhere. They
just a black face that we prop up next to
you and say this is my small African American.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
You know. It's just it's the weirdest shit to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Long So I was just I just didn't understand how
they was making fun of Jesuit Crockett but just ignored
that Wesley Hunt didn't even come in nowhere near close
to winning anything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Will sah, Well, thank you. I appreciate your comments because
I have nothing to say because I'm not a black
Conservative and I know better. I don't know what I am.
I'm trying to figure it out. I don't really know
if I'm an independent. I vote as a Democrat most times,
but I got concerns with that. But I am so
far away from being a black conservative. I couldn't be

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further so I can't explain to you why they do
what they do, but I'm sure that when this gets
posted on your page, it's gonna be a big, big conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
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