The Cost of Convenience and the Politics of Blame

In this episode of TMI, Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne take on health myths, political misinformation, and the systems quietly harming Black communities. From questioning the safety of our food and water to unpacking the false narrative that immigrants are “taking Black jobs,” the conversation cuts through fear-based rhetoric with facts, history, and lived experience.

The hosts break down how white supremacy, anti-DEI policies, and economic exploitation—not immigrants—are driving job loss and instability, especially for Black women. They also discuss ICE raids, media manipulation, and the urgent need for truth-tellers in a time of rising authoritarianism.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it's.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Your boy my son.

Speaker 1 (00:02):
In general, we are your host of t M I.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
New name, new energy. What's up my song? And how
you doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm blessed? How you feeling today, Tamika D. Malory? Okay,
you got a little energy to clap it up? Whatever?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm yes, clap it up.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Look, I need we need a bell or something to
start the show.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Bom no.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I guess m hm.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Anyway, I guess I got myself in the I got
myself stuck in the algorithm.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, I like.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Healthy eating and drinking and all of that, so I'm
supposed to be in that algorithm. Let me just say
I chose it, but I did not know that it
was going to have me in a in a rabbit
hole of the best water. There's no good water. It's
like three waters. No seriously overnight like for the last

(01:09):
couple of days, I've been somehow every other posts have
been about the snow removal, and it's been about water
and the testing. Like people are literally buying waters and
testing them and showing you in real time when they
put whatever it is that they use the little testing

(01:29):
strips in there. They're telling you about the best waters
and the waters we drink in their rating, and I
think I drink really good water. Terrible f's they have
chloroform and some other thing in it, cancer causing, metals,

(01:53):
plastics bad, this bad that I was sure, And of
course you know this is this exclaimer that I'm watching
these videos, so I'm not saying I tested it. So
if y'all want to sue somebody, just go talk to them,
them people on the internet. But they also have the
like the sparkling waters that I thought were for sure.

(02:14):
I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna drink sparkling water. Terrible, terrible,
that high percentages of harmful.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I mean, it's bad. And I'm like, so.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
This is not cheap water we talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's what I'm saying. Ain't supposed to be that hurt
you man.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I mean, well, so one of the waters I'm trying
not to say names, but one of the brands, it
was a water that I really like.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's a blue bottle, that's all I'll say. Blue glass bottle.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I see a lot of people drinking it and it's
like an exclusive water. When you go to find dining
and all of that, they bring this particular brand of
water out.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's a bit deal. And what they said was that
a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Ago something happened to the rivers where they get the
water supply from. So it's not like the company is
specifically doing anything to the water. But when the water changes,
like the environment or you know now, you have we not.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Change now, you have to change the filtration strategy exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
And that's the whole process and what you know, we
And it's crazy because I'm about to use something that
I found on chat shept for the thought of the day.
But the crazy thing about it is that what we
don't think about enough is the damage that is being
done to the water system and the air and the

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electricity every time they build new AI hubs like how
chatchpt works and all of these AI systems are required energy,
water and other things.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
That are it's basically taken from.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Some of our natural resources. And the more they build,
the worse it gets. And so they say, every time
you type a question into CHATCHBT and all these different
AI modules, it takes a whole bunch of stuff to
keep the machines cold, to push the energy out, to

(04:28):
get the information out there, and so it's it's it's
unfortunate because, as with so many things, we are inclined
to use things that make your life more convenient. Right,
So we want the convenience of it all. We want
the air fryer, we want you know, remember at one

(04:49):
point it was the George Foreman grill. Is this that
I'm not saying anything is wrong with to George Foreman grum.
I'm just saying, as technology evolves, we want those things.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
But now they're telling you the air fright, if that's
what you're using.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
I was watching a video on the other day. I
just got off. I don't use airfry I never have.
I've never had an air fryer. But I know a
lot of people who use them and they love them.
But now they're saying the air fry is also some
kind of chemicals going into.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
The food that you know.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's like it's like a different kind of microwave, which
I do use a microwave, and that's not necessarily good
for It's so many things. It's so many things. But
because we are rightfully attracted to convenience because we live,
especially here in this nation, in.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
A constant hamster wheel.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
You know, go go go, gotta get it, gotta get it,
got to you know, what can we do to get
up in the morning. You want to go to the gym,
So if you want to go to the gym, then
you need to make a smoothie so you can take
that with you and pack some other thing.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
And then in.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Order to do that, you need the quicker bullet and
the quicker this so it can make it fast while
you take a shower.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It does the work for you, like.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
You know what I'm saying, And that makes it easier
for us to be able to accomplish all the things
in a day. And meanwhile, some of this stuff is
not healthy. It's not good for us. So it's you know,
I just thought to mention that, you know, as we
you know, as we talk about growing politically, as we
talk about our mental health and all of that, we

(06:22):
also really do have to be mindful of what we're consuming,
you know, and our young people don't care at all,
Like when you think about the twenty somethings and down
some of them, I'm sure do. I saw this will
help me to close this point, someone said there was
a video.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
It was actually something I saw on TV. It might
have been like a.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Commercial, and the child was telling the parent, Oh, now,
all of a sudden, you want to you.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Know, you used to eat I remember when you used
to eat.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
McDonald's and this and that and all these different things.
And the parent is really responding with a graph that
shows the difference in what those food chains used in
the past and what they use now. And it's like
a complete decline in the products, you know, they have.

(07:16):
They have diminished the value of the food, the chicken,
the whatever. It is so much and so not enough
conversations are happening, in my opinion, with people about like
what are you putting in your body? And just because
it's expensive doesn't mean it's good for you.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
It is.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, a lot of people think the amount that
a food item costs is equivalent to the healthiness of it.
And a lot of time these people is charging you
top dollar for shit, just killing you, like literally for shit,
just killing you. So we got to be I think
I'm glad that you're a lot health a lot more
health conscious, because you'll be calling me like my son

(07:56):
can't eat.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
That, don't ever again.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's not even tilapia was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
She was so serious about tilapia.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
First she called me what that was because I used
to buy a little don't buy that again.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's terrible, it's terrible. Then she wanted to try to.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
I said they fixed maybe they fixed it, so she
would it looked at again and it got worse.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
They no, wouldn't say because I because I was like, oh,
maybe they fixed the tilapia.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Now it's been several years. And when I went on
there to think.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Said, by now you should know that tilapia is like terrible,
like don't eat its this, this, this, and it eats
corn every day and it's said. But then I was like,
wait a minute, so if it eats corn, are we
not supposed to be eating corn.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
It's too many things not supposed to.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Beating corn though, yeah, because I don't think I think
you're supposed to eat corn when they need to take
out the kernel, m right, because you don't digest the colonel.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
The colonel was inside the fee seas and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
So it's not really well really is it in feces.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
It's not really that just I'm just trying to say,
you know, when you eat corn, you'll, yeah, you see
the little shelves from the corn inside the feces when
you eat corn. Most people see.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
It when I go for my calonics, it's true that
I've seen corn in my you know, leftover stool, So
I guess it's true. But I like corn and I'm
finna eat it.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
So that's that.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
And it's certain waters that I'm gonna go ahead on
the drink too. I can't do it all, there's too
much things. Let's go to my thought of the day. Please,
I'm not just some serious like ship. Then they gonna say,
don't breathe.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
They don't have you just eating eggs, say don't they
don't have us eating egg saying we're just saying the only.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Way it could really be healthy. Just true. The air
minerals in the air are going to make this. And
I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's like, because I be trying to be healthy and
every day you find out something that you actually think
is healthy that you're eating a drink and it's just
not good for you.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Well, I bet you the people that was smelling it
air from Donald Trump's butt at the press conference was
not happy.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
But is he really, is he really shitting himself?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
That's not funny because no, I'm asking a.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Question, but I'm actually question what is he about eighty something?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Now he's eighty eighty something?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
But is he really because I because I've seen it,
But if you look at the people standing behind him.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
He's gonna say it.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
They're all going like this, they frowning up. They say
its noise.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
And then the last the last press conference, Yeah, the
lady cleared the rumors. Okay, that's enough, everybody gotta leave,
and they said, he just he's just out here just
pooping his pants.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Man, that's not funny. I'm laughing because, of course whatever,
but that is elderly.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Because for me, it is an elderly concern. But it's
just that there were so many people that didn't. They
hated Joe Biden. He was old, They called him weekend
at Bernie. They said he wasn't even alive, was incapacitated.
Now allegedly the president's pooping his pants almost all the time,
and nobody seems to have any right with this, like

(11:11):
I don't understand, Like I'm confused. And then there's big
clear cases where you could see that he's sleep all
the time, he seems like he's having dementi. He's talking
about things that's not they call Greenland something else.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's like, there's a lot of things that I don't hear.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
The mag of people that were so loud about Joe
Biden not being.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Capable of I will, I will maintain until the last
day of my life on this earth that while I
think that Kamala Harris, I think we would be you know, anyway,
I don't even want to go through that. Let me
not even put Kamala Harris's name in this thing. They

(11:52):
should have left the white men up there to fight
each other.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Joe Biden, Okay, y'all.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Can call him, Oh he's seen out and whatever Joe
Byron like we call Bron and Donald Trump should have been.
They should have battled it out, because what they did
was they put a black woman in that position without
giving her the proper time.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
The proper support.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
And we know that the proper resources were never given
to the folks on the ground so that we could
do work. We had to hear people from the campaign
and folks who were close to you know, the resources
tell us that, you know, they just needed to increase
the turnout a little bit over here and over here

(12:46):
people were walking around. I remember having a meeting with
somebody in labor who had a lot of resources, and
I'm telling them, like, listen, we need to not just
for us. Yes, we need resources also, but we need
to get some resources to it.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
And I named, you know, fifty.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Different groups, networks, organizations and people who are like unlikely,
like they generally don't get involved in politics, but they
have organizations they can do at least voter turnout.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I told them. They were like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
At first they were stressed, like, oh my god, we
gotta figure out what to do. Then when Kamla Harris
started you know, picking up steam, then they were like, oh,
we're good. They stopped returning phone calls. Okay, okay, So
and now we're here and the man is frightened, fartened,
as they say, shut shotting.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
And probably you know who knows prob is actually pooping.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Really sending prayers out for man's poop in his pants.
You know it has to be embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
He doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Nah, some people.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Let me tell you something, people be nasty by you.
You don't saying I tell you this all the time.
There are people in this world that's just nasty. They
just nasty. Okay, let me go to my thought of
the day. So I just really wanted to analyze this

(14:16):
statement that I've heard in a few places. I saw
a man he was doing a video the other day
and I was watching it. He said, you know, it's
crazy to me that black people would join protests and

(14:37):
be on the front line of fighting for.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Immigrants when.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
We, as black people, are having to compete in the
workforce with immigrants for jobs, like, in other words, compete
against immigrants for jobs. So he was basically saying, to
summarize that, let me go back and say it again.
So I was watching the video where a man was

(15:09):
explaining why he does not feel black people should be
in or on the front lines of the fight against
ice and this kidnapping. You know of people who are
immigrants in the country, and he said that he thinks

(15:29):
it's crazy because black people are competing against immigrants in
the workforce.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
So I said to myself.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
I have gone up for contracts, jobs, positions many times,
and I know a number of black women particularly but
of course black people, but black women is where I
probably have the most intel have been going up in
the workforce against different groups and people for and again contracts,

(16:05):
you know, sometimes jobs, different positions. And never once has
anybody come back to me and said that the pool
was crowded with immigrants and that that's who they were
fighting against. But you know, trying that that you know
that there was this overwhelming level of competition between the

(16:31):
black people and folks who come here from other nations.
Never once has that been the conversation for me.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I think I think it's a very it's a misleading statement,
and I think it's misleading in the regard when we
talk about most of our black people, you know, who
were born here right, who've lived here, who have been
educated here, who are properly atd I don't see, like

(17:02):
you said, I don't see them going up against jobs
with people who just got here, right, people who are
just actually just coming here trying to figure out, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
How to get a job. I don't.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I'm I've never had to compete for a job, probably
since I was sixteen, or even felt like I was
competing because the jobs that most of the times I've
seen the immigrants that were coming here have I was
able to get those to sixteen and seventeen years old
with no qualifications.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
So now so when I think about it, right, because
I said, I really wanted to analyze this whole thing, right, Like,
I know for a fact that when you go in
corporate America and other places, you are often working alongside
people who might be Jamaican, who might be Haitian, Indian,

(17:52):
definitely Asian, European. Okay, they don't they never bring that up,
you know, but okay, and in most cases the black folks,
like the Jamaicans and the Haitians or whatever, there's never
really too many conversations about there being a racial dynamic

(18:14):
or you know that they're coming from a different country.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's just like the black people.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
And you know, you might hear some cultural stuff around
holidays or you know from the types of holidays they
take off. And then when we get in a little
black spot like little circles, we might use some of
our native cultural words and expressions and foods and things
of that nature. Yeah, because you know, from my vantage point,

(18:44):
I just I don't see that as being a big
as big of an issue as people are making it.
Back in I guess during the campaign, I can't even
remember at this point, but Donald Trump said some thing
about black jobs, and you remember that it was memes
every way, I'm doing my black job, black job, black job.

(19:07):
But he was saying it in reference to the fact that,
you know, we got to get these this immigrant population
out of here because of they're taking the black jobs.
And the question that was constantly being asked was which
jobs are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Right?

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Which jobs are you talking about now? Again, I know
that in the in the workforce, corporations and all types
of places, you can be working right next to two
or three black people and maybe never know, or you
find out just through holidays and you know, different things

(19:48):
like that that this person might be from Jamaica or
Kati or you know, maybe African or something. And then
of course you have your Indian community and a Asian community.
That's a thing that exists in the workforce. But it
has never been that people I know, and I'm opening

(20:09):
this up because maybe people that are out there in
the world who can speak to it, that they have
gone in for interviews and have been fighting against immigrant population,
especially again in like corporate jobs, education and other fields.
And it's not because from what I understand and what

(20:30):
I've seen.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
You're usually competing against white folks.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I mean, that's what we've always been competing against. And
it's not really a competition because they intentionally.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Block you out.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
So what they do is so since since they intentionally
block you out and you're not getting the jobs, what
they've been successful in doing is telling you that the
reason you're not getting a job is because the immigrant.
Even though you don't see the immigrant really, you probably
see one or two of them in positions of power
in it that have worked to actually probably been here
most of.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Their lives and thea.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
And they went through the same process that you went
through and all of that, and they were able to
get in a certain position. But you never really competing
against them. You've never been competing against them. You've been
competing against white supremacy and you don't.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Even realize exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
And that's and that's the whole thing that we all
and white supremacy knows how to pit us against each other.
And it's so crazy to me because I'm having conversations
with people like I put a post up two days
ago and they were saying that the ice was one
hundred and sixteenth Street, right, And I'm like, and I
know the black they said it was but on Frederick Douglas.
So I'm like, well, Frederick Douglas, it's never black people there.

(21:38):
We know people that lived on that black So I
was like, it's not for black people there. Yes, they
don't got nothing to do a black people. A person
that I know came on, Oh those are Africans, those
ain't FBA and this and that, and.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
It's like, I don't even get into it.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
And that's to me.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was just but that's what they've that's what they
have been successful at doing. When you look at the Somalians,
they saying this Somalians is not black people. Those are
somebody else. They don't understand that these people is going
after Milanated people. As a guy that was on and
he was saying, what you're not understanding is that these Africans,
these Haitians, a lot of them look just like you.

(22:12):
They talk just like you to come and they don't
a lot of them don't even have accents, right, they
have the same talk. So what it does is it
makes them be able to target you, and it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
They don't.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
They just look and see a black, dark skinned person,
and that's what they know these people that you think
are not like you or different delineation and all of that,
or come from somebody to foreign.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Or whatever you whatever you think is happened.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I watched a woman at a house in Minnesota, a
regular black women, that they was in front of her
house with guns like literally had they showed that they
had silences on their guns, four or five or six
in numb with surrounds.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
She was out there.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
They took her husband realized he wasn't let them go
two or three days later. But these are things that
are happening to everybody. So if you think that you're
protected because you you you were born here, it's not true.
And now they have they have legislation now where they
don't even need a warrant or anything to go into.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Someone like I don't know if the legislation passed, but
they have put out a notice to Ice that they
don't need a warrant.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
But but here's what I'm I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
You are making the larger point that if people think
that this is just gonna stop at immigrants, and I'm weird,
I'm using the language that folks know, right, But these
are people for the most part because we now know
that more than seventy percent of those who have been detained.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I think I saw on AOC's page that it was
more than that. It was more than that.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
It was in the nineties ninety two, ninety two percent
of people who have been detained do not have criminal backgrounds, right,
ninety two percent. They said they were getting the worst
of the worst, the violent criminal people who have violated
by coming here to the United States. And when you

(24:10):
go and you look at the data, it is not
that that is not what they have been doing this administration.
But my soign you are making a point that is
way high level. You're trying to get into where ultimately
do we think this thing will land, this plane will land?

(24:31):
And if you think it's going to just skip over us, which,
by the way, the first shot that they took was
at our communities because they came in the door saying
no DEI and people went, oh, that don't mean nothing
about us. And now there it is reported it is
estimated by some that at least close to a million

(24:54):
black women have lost their employment, their apployment have well, no, no, no, See,
this is the problem with the data.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Because I've been doing my research. The data shows that
black men were already unemployed.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
So this before this happened, black men's unemployment was already shameful.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
It was.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Already shameful.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Now black women, through this whole anti DEI movement, have
been targeted to the extent that now you know, the
number that was being reported was three hundred thousand, but
that was months ago. I believe that was in April.
It has continued since then. Let's say it was in September.

(25:43):
The new reports are showing that there are more Black
women who have been pushed out of the workforce, have
either had to leave, have been fired, have you know,
have somehow had to separate with their jobs since January
of twenty five when Donald Trump took his position. And
it is under twenty twenty five excuse me, And it

(26:05):
is under this anti DEI movement, right, that is where
this began to happen. When you saw black women being
pushed out of the workforce in record numbers, so they
took a shot at us. We in this moment, I
was getting ready to say people are not feeling it,
but they are.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
They are.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
You are beginning to see a real financial burden. You're
seeing much many more Black women who are extremely.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Stressed out about what to do.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
They have worked hard to get in these positions, and
you got you have black women that's sixty sixty five.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
So I heard somebody say the other day.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Oh, you should you gotta go get your electrician license
and you know it and plumbing and all of that.
So you're saying that a sixty year old woman is
now supposed to go learn how to be a plumber
or do like you said, hvac when she went to
school and got a sociology a degree and has been

(27:05):
helping to address the mental health issues happening in our community.
And it's already a small field and they cut the
funding completely. Sold you don't even have a place to
go to get mental health services.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Or she's working in a field that has now.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Been declassified by the country and so it is not
even respected in the same way that it was before.
And knowing that these black women have been holding up
the community in many ways. So let me get off
my soapbox and get back to my point, because Jane's
is gonna kill me.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
But I think this is important. So you're talking high level.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
I'm just dealing with facts, right, And as I said,
I don't know people that are like, when I'm going
to try to get me a job in different fields,
I'm up against immigrants and that's why I can't get
a job. I don't know people that say so. I said,
let me go as chatchpt what it has to say

(28:05):
about this. And the question that I asked was, are
black people competing for jobs against immigrants in the American workforce?
Chat ept, which, by the way, people be saying chatchept
is racist and it's whatever. Now I think I've trained
it to know me, and so to some extent it doesn't,

(28:26):
you know whatever. So it came back and it says, short,
reality check, black people are not broadly competing with immigrants
for jobs in the way political rhetorics suggests. Now, let's
just jump down. It says, this is where overlap can happen.
There can be competition in certain sectors low wage service work,

(28:48):
food services, cleaning, hospitality, agriculture, sometimes in construction, warehousing, and logistics.
These are jobs where employers generally suppress wages.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
There are low and weak labor protections.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
In those spaces, employers often pick groups against each other
the way that you just said.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Now they said where the narrative falls apart.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
And by the way, I'm not sitting here saying that
I want immigrants to work here, to be unable to
succeed and.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Get jobs and be paid the way that they should
be and all of that, because I don't. I don't.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
I don't, I don't ascribe to that. I'm not a
person that wants anybody to be shut out. I think
everybody should be treated fairly. And if you make it
here and you do the necessary things, take the necessary
steps to become a citizen, you deserve.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
You should not be at a job where they.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Paying you pennies because they are exploiting the fact that
you're desperate and looking for a place for safety. But
it says here where the narrative falls apart. Most immigrants
work jobs. Blackm Americans are already underrepresented in In other words,
we are not we're not even trying to get those jobs.

(30:08):
We're not even trying to get those jobs because we
come here, we are afforded some level of a decent education.
If you got a parent, or as I now have
been exposed to this language that says, if you got
a grown person who cares about you, who's pushing you
to go forward, you more than likely are trying to

(30:30):
into the workforce or a business or whatever. At a
semi higher level, it says that the US Bureau of
Labor statistics consistently shows that immigration does not cause widespread
black unemployment, that immigrants often create jobs through small businesses

(30:53):
and local spending.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It says, this is the closing peace to my argument.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
It says, the real competition that black workers face is
discrimination in hiring.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
You know who runs that, who's responsible for that?

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Okay, we won't call it out automation, which means that
we need much more of our attention to go towards
systems and stem and steam as they say, so that
we can be more technologically savvy. It says the gutting
of unions is one of the key issues for black

(31:32):
unemployment destabilization, which means that unions for many years has
been the place that black people could go, could get
employment and have protections around how an employee can treat them.
Mass incarceration to the immigrants incarcerate you.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
So this is what I'm saying. And then it says
a chronic.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Underinvestment in black education and neighborhoods that these are the
main issues that's causing black folks to be underrepresented in the.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Work for the short The short The short story is,
ain't no immigrants stopping black folks as white folks like
it's always been. The colonizers continues to colonize. They're gonna
make sure that they put themselves in position. We have
an administration now has done everything possible to disenfranchise black people,
professional black people, intelligent black people, qualify black people. They've

(32:34):
done everything they can possible, and now the greatest trick
of the devil is convincing you that they don't exist.
They want you to believe that you fighting against an
immigrant who's fighting who's come from another country, who's running
from probably poverty, all types of the same shit that
we actually the tyranny that we're getting over.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
They've running over here trying to escape it.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
And now they're coming over here and seeing it's the
same shit, and they trying to get their families and kids, kids.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
To have a better life, just like all of our
mothers and grandmothers was trying to do for us. And
we see them as the enemy.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
And I just it's so it just it just some
of us don't see that I mean, it's people, it's
black people that see them as it. And I'd be like, yo, andybody,
well they don't like us and Africans, and I said, well,
a lot of them have been taught negative things about
Black Americans, just like you.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
When they came here, we called them.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
African booty scratch, and we made fun of the Somalians,
and we made fun of all the rest of the immigrants.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
And when we were young, but as we grew.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Up inside these same communities, we realized that only thing
we really had was us, and we became best friends.
I grew up in communities with immigrants, with the Venezuelans,
with the Dominicans, with all of these people, with the Africans,
and we my brothers and my sisters and my sons,
these are close friends. So I we when you grow
up in the community, sometimes you understand that there are

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negative things that we've been taught about each other.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
And as you grow you grow out of those things.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I watched I became best friends with Dominicans that called
who fathers and mothers called me nigga like this was
the reality situation. Whose mothers and fathers said, don't bring
a little more there on in here, and they became
our best friends that were staying behind besides me and
die for me. And then their mother grew to love me.
In the myths and the negativity that they was taught

(34:16):
about us was dispelled. So these are realities. I'm not
running from that. We're not running from the history that. Yes,
that we have had strained relationship with Black Africans from
other countries. We have had strained relationship with Smiles, we
have had other milanated people from different countries. We have
had strained relations but that was taught by the colonizers.

(34:37):
They made us believe that they were worse than us,
or that they made them believe that they were better
than us.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
And we have to dispel that.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
We don't have the time, We don't have the luxury
because they are not separating themselves by the race, they're
not separrating by the language, theyd not. They're making sure
that you know, the only people that can come here,
the only immigrants that can come here, is the white ones.
They're not going to the Russian na, they're not going
to Yugoslavian neighborhood They're not going to your Pean neighborhoods
where they're definitely illegal immagrans.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
They not. You don't see it. They're not even looking
at them.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
So if you not, if by now you have not
seen the trick of the devil, then I don't know
what to tell you, but I'm not falling for it.
Every black millenated person is my brother, and I'm gonna
fight with you, and as long as you want to
fight alongside me, I'm gonna fight with you.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Well, at the end of the day, I'll tell you
that what people have to recognize. And I think that's
why it's so important for black folks and especially now
our younger generation of black people to travel to Africa,
because when you go to Africa, you know that this

(35:44):
sense of division and history things doesn't exist. What people
have to understand is that that sets in once you
become americanized. Because America sets the tone for how people
in relationships based upon movies, culture, and then also the

(36:05):
way that we are treated. Every culture is taught that
black people are the most dangerous, the most right, the
most lazy, the most dangerous, the most controversial, and that
they should stay away from us, and that the goal
is to get as close to white people or adjacent
as much as possible and to stay away from us.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
And so that's why you see that type.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Of attitude building in a person who came here, don't
know anything, and the next thing you know, they start
hating Black Americans. And it comes from again. It all
points back to the same thing. But the interesting point
for me as I look at how this is being
laid out on these these folk platforms. They created this

(36:51):
platform chat GPT and it is saying that the narrative
is incorrect, it is not true, and that what has
been the most dominant force against black folks succeeding in
the workforce is discrimination.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
And that discrimination has been.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Put into play by, as you said, white supremacy and
the constructs for how these corporations and different industries exist.
So when even if even if a person of Indian
or Asian descent is the one who's mistreating you on

(37:29):
the job, because that's the thing is that most people,
their immediate relationship is where they stop right, They stop
at an immediate relationship. So if you walk into a
bodega and a Dominican or Puerto Rican treat you crazy,
that's where the relationship or Arab person they treat you bad.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
And this has happened many, many, many, many times.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
The African uber driver, the person in the restaurant, they
treat you bad. We stopped right there. And the part
of the reason why is because we are only able
to fight those fights. The larger fight is too hard
to even think about to wrap your mind around where
that attitude is coming from. So there is institutional, systemic

(38:20):
issues that create the environments that all of us are
trying to function within. And black people have been treated
like the more you demean or diminish and try to
put us down, then the higher you can rise. But
what are you trying to rise too? And who is
telling who is rewarding you for that behavior. That's the

(38:43):
fight that I want to be engaged in because guess what.
It wasn't the immigrant population that came in and said
we anti DEI. That's not where that came from. It
came from a group of white folks that became president
and whatever else they vice president and whatever running an
administration that, through their work.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
To fulfill Project twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Five, when they put immigrants, black people, on anybody other
than white men on their list of how they're going
to make America great again, when they made that decision,
then they said, where is the heart of their community?
How do we target them and destabilize them? And they

(39:28):
began with different strategies for each one of the communities.
So when people tell me it has nothing to do
with one another, look around. It's all connected and all
of us in the end will suffer some consequences for
what we see happening to each group. So trying to
separate ourselves, it might work for you to feel. You

(39:49):
might be saying to yourself, well, I'd rather be more
mad at the lady that came here from another country.
But that's because your cowardice in terms of you being
able to s stand up to these white folks who
control the system, is showing.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
We can hear it.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
We know that you rather say, well, they do got
to do something about the immigrants. They do, got to
do something about the immigrants. We can't just have the
immigrants run a wild. Well, guess what if you look
at the Epstein files, the rapists are running wild. If
you look at what they do and how they're stealing
oil from over here and suppressing communities and bribing people

(40:27):
the voting roles and all of that.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
The criminals are running wild.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
They got ninety two percent of people they detained who
are not criminals. So basically they have done about ten
percent of finding people with these criminal backgrounds.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
And meanwhile, damn near one hundred.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Percent of the people who are running the federal government
right now are the ones who are actually the criminals.
Y'all gotta make it make sense to me. I don't
care if Pedro work at the piece of L. I
promise you Pedro can give me.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
When you look at the stats and you look at
the data, they still don't have more jobs than you
do when you look at the data. When you when
you look at the data, the white people got all
the jobs.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
The my son, it is actually even a classicism issue
within the immigrant community, right It is even because they
are not going to uh I don't know, x y
Z Corporation and arresting the senior vice president of blank

(41:30):
or the human resources director who might be Indian or
Asian or whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
They're not doing that.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
They are on the streets picking up the pizza person,
the hotel worker, the farmers.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I watched a white.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Man on TV the other day saying I am so
stressed that he was on a social media. He said
he had a big old field and he said a
number that was like, oh, like, he owns acres and
acres and acres and acres and acres and acres of land,
and right now it's carrot harvesting season, so he needs

(42:06):
to get these carrots to the distribution places.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
That's going millions of carrots going around the world.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
He said, if I can't get this job done within
a certain amount of time, he said, I will lose
my contracts.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
And basically and this crop that I have here, it
only's gonna last. Wait, let me finish. And the crop
is only gonna last but for a certain amount of time.
So he's got two problems.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
He gotta make it to a place on time to
fulfill the contract. And if he doesn't get it there
the harvesting season, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Things change. So he's like, I could go bankrupt.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
But he took his camera and he panned it around
and he said, there's no workers. They all left because
they are afraid. He said, we are officially in the
f around and find out season in my business that
I could lose everything because my workers have been targeted
and they left. And see, this is where I want
you to tie it back together. When Donald Trump said

(43:05):
the black jobs, what he meant was that he didn't
mean that you was gonna get the senior vice president
of such and such holding company now, because you know what,
they trying to eliminate plenty of that anyway, he said.
What he's saying is get your ass back in the field,
get back in the hotel, get back into serving that.

(43:27):
That's where your jobs are, that's where we see you.
You doing too much to climb this success ladder. We
got to knock you down and put you back in place.
So I don't think it makes sense. And I feel
for those who I feel for those that are so

(43:48):
thirsty to be connected to the white man, so so
thirsty that they'll look for anybody else to demonize in
order for them to think that it's gonna get them
some exps.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
And that goes for Nicki Minaj, Michael Blaxton.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Who else is over there, all of them that's over there, nally,
everybody that's over there.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
I fear I feel for you.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
It's it's really sad because Michael Blason, please Africa.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
He's gonna say, I just went to an event that
was for a friend I'm not everybody. Nobody's in politics.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
As an Africa just as an African man.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Knowing that they is one of the biggest targets is
just I just don't I don't understand nothing like we
just had a time for me. Like a lot of
this shit, there's no moral compass, there's no integrity, there's
just go along to get along.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
It's just like I guess, well, he'll say that, he'll say,
they will say, oh, there was a friend's wedding, and
we're not gonna always agree. But I appreciate the people
who are saying to your point that I've heard you
say many times, this is not about an agreement, disagreement,
agreement and disagreement.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Is I like this food, you like that?

Speaker 4 (45:04):
For It could even get more serious, like, well, I
want my kids to go to schools with primarily white
folks because I feel it's safer this and that you
might have a black person that's like, no, Actually, my
kid goes to a really good school. But we as
parents are very actively involved.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
The school does well.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
We deal with violence, interruption, and we have the tools.
And there may be a disagreement with those two groups
of parents or what is the best educational route for
your children to take. That's something that I can disagree
because the person that's telling me put the kid into
white school. I think that's some sucker shit. But at
the same time, that's your choice, and I support you

(45:45):
having that right to do so.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
But when you are.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Saying that our choices and disagreement is between somebody who
is literally following a playbook that will lead to the
de stabilist of our.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Communities, that is not a choice or a difference of opinion.
These people are dangerous.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
You would die.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, this man is sitting up here posting stuff talking
about he wants to He wants different states to seize
their elections, take control of the elections. This man is
working on something that if and by the way, historians
are saying, and that's the thing negroes is just oh lord,
And it's not just negroes in terms of black votes,

(46:30):
but people.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
It just drives me crazy.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
They are saying that looking at what they've already done
and what they're working towards, it may take us.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Forever, like, may never be able to correct course. Correct.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yes, we were, We definitely were further behind than we
should be. So I get that right, but we were
still moving ourselves.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
In a direction. That's right, he has and they are
working to set us back definitely.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
So I said a lot, but you said all the
stuff that need to be said. It ain't really much
else to talk about that. If you don't see that,
I just don't know what's up with your eyes.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
All right, So now let's I know we just talked
a lot lot, but I thought all of it, what
we said just now was so important. And I keep
saying over and over, and I know you agree that
all of these shows that we have that are established
have to If there's nothing else you can do, you
got to get up there and tell the truth. Shout
out to Don Lemon, as we talked about last week,

(47:37):
and Georgia Ford and people who are using their voices.
We actually should put out a list of folks that
are out here using their voices to dispel the myths,
because the myths are way out of control.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
There's so much happening and it's hard to capture all
the issues.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
But we're doing our best to do our best and
bring as many people and also just to inform ourselves
so that when we don't have guests, we have topics
that help people to be informed. Looking at the insights
from social media for my Instagram page, you've got millions
of people who are tuning in for information.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
So for those of you who are just feeling like
what can I do?

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Learn, read research and go help educate the people that's
within your network.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
And I get that TMI technek in my song's information right, Yeah,
you one hundred percent correct. It's really important in these
times to just be truthful, to speak truth to power.
You know, we're watching how you know, the truth speakers
are being targeted, and you can't be afraid. You know,
like I say all the time, we were built for

(48:45):
such a time as now you know. And whether we
have a guest who is able to give you some information,
we will definitely be here telling the truth, giving you informed,
properly informed information, truth that we stand by.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And we're not kid.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
We're not gonna be intimidated by this administration. We're not
gonna be intimidated by anybody. We're gonna always bring you
the facts.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
And when we don't know, we'll say, and.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
We're gonna say, and if we made a mistake, we're
gonna say we made a mistake. You know, that's what
credibility is about, and that's what being honorable is about.
So as we had all of this real intense, you know,
political stuff going on, there was a topic last week
that I wanted to jump on, you know, because I

(49:30):
just feel like we're in times where people are overly
concerned about other people's personal views or personal situations or
wait to wait, they live their lives. Like I always,
I comment on things that I believe affect us all.
Like if I comment on something that let's say, Steven A.

(49:52):
Smith talks about it, if he says something about Jasmin Crockett.
Jasminc Crockett is one of our representatives, a black representative
who represents us, and when he talks down to her,
he makes the world feel like she's not valuable enough
to elect. And I believe that she's somebody who represents us.
So when I speak out against what he feels about her,
it's because I believe that it affects me directly. When

(50:14):
I speak out against something that Donald Trump says, because
Donald Trump is making legislation that is going to affect
me in my family directly.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I don't care about.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
People make legislation he suggests, well, well, he said that.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Man makes legends. We're in a time right now that she.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Knowing that's not making legislation.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Because when you say that, that is to give the
impression that he's doing something properly. It would be if
he was suggesting legislation, and that would be doing it properly.
But that's he's not making legislation signing.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
He's signing executive order.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
That's making legislation.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
No with my soign let me get excutive, let me
just finish, let me just finished. He's signing executive orders.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Yes, But what he is doing, more than anything, is
called dictatorship. That he is not following the legislation that
currently exists. He's overriding it.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
With that mean with his own legislation.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
But it's not legislation because legislation required. It means legislation
is not just a word that applies to a paper.
It's also a process. And if you don't follow that process.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Creating, he's creating his own rules. He's rule and.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Making his own laws and making his own rules, rules.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
And laws because people are buying by the rules. So
if the country.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
I give you that, the law is still also But okay,
rules that turned into law of the land.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
And if the Constitution is being ignored, right, if the
Supreme Court is saying you got to do this, and
that he's saying, fuck you, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
He is making his own legislation and his own laws
and his own rules.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Well, even the Supreme Court, though, just to be clear,
I hate to get into your thing. The Supreme Court
when they have told him that he can't do something,
for the most part, they haven't done it, and they
try to.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Find a workaround. The Supreme Court is agreeing with him.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
So now that is again it's dictatorship that is supported
by the highest court in the land.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
But a lot of times they said no and he
still continues to do I would.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Have to we would really have to go and explore that,
because they haven't really said no about a lot of.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Things you have.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I wouldn't explore it.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
They said that, they said that you can't send people
to different countries that they don't come from, and he
sent them anyway.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Well, I'm gonna do my research right here now. I'm
going to google. So what I thought is what it
says that.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
So at first I just asked the question whether he
has wait, let me go back, so I can tell
you exactly what my question is. I said, are there
examples of Donald Trump ignoring Supreme Court rulings? And first
it says, yes, there are documented examples of where Donald
Trump has defied, delayed, or tried to work around Supreme

(53:08):
Court rulings. And so, of course you had said it
can't wait to say yes, which is true. And so
they begin to describe several instances. And everything that they
mentioned was twenty nineteen, twenty seventeen, and eighteen, so this
was all in his last term. So I said, I
wanted to know more about his current term.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
That was his first term. Well, no, it's current term.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
And it says, since Donald Trump's current term began in
January of twenty twenty five, there aren't many instances where
the Supreme Court of the United States has made a
final ruling explicitly telling the administration to do something and
the administration openly refused. It says, it talks about there

(53:53):
being documented patterns of other situations, but this is the
main thing. It does explain where the deportation thing has
come into question, which is the example that you gave.
And then it says, a due process. It's all still
around the issue of immigration. You're supposed to get a

(54:13):
warning or if you're supposed to be told X amount
of time before you're going to be deported, and they.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Give you opportunity to seek habeas relief.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Okay, right, okay, so all of that's supposed to happen
that hasn't been happening.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
But then it goes it says what I told you.
It says.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
But it's important to note that the Supreme Court has
ruled in favor of the administration in most cases in
twenty twenty five. So that goes to my point that
they was smarter this sign because the last time that
they were in office, they did they did im pact
the courts properly.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
They didn't do whatever they did decision that they had
to do.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Now that they're in position right, they are able to
get the courts to agree with them damn near in advance.
So that's the only thing that's man So that's the
only reason why because of you know, as we said,
we try to make sure we give people accurate information.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
They're not if they were passing legislation.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
That would actually be problematic because that would say that
the courts are not just the courts, but that the
people are pretty much voting in their favor.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
That's not what's happening. They're not even dealing with that.
They are.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
It is superlationship.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
It is rules, rules, rules, and that's very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
So I compromise, but said rules that become law and
that I will accept because it's the law of the land,
not necessarily the law on paper.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
So now since we established that, let me get back
to my I don't get it because it's far off
from that. But I was just bringing down to show
why I have concerns and why I comment on those
opinions and when they say something because people opinion. I
have an opinion about things that I know are going
to affect me or us as a whole, you know,

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young people or young people in my opinion. That's why
I comment, because I believe and from what I can see,
and I think I can see very well, and I
have a high level of discernment that he is advocating,
allegedly in my opinion, for violence in our community amongst
our youth.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
And that's what I fight against black murder.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
So those are the reasons why I have opinions, very
strong opinions, and I speak very loudly on those situations.
So in this situation, I was watching an interview on
Cam Newton's show. He was interviewing a brother named Dmitri Wiley.
And I've seen Dmitri on different shows. He talks about relationships,
and you know, he's one of those people who talk

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about relationships and how men should treat women, and he
has a lot of different panels. So in this situation,
he asks Cam about him having platonic relationships with women,
and he said, do you have any platonic relationships with
women as friends? And He's like me, no, And he said,
what do you mean, So there's no woman that's around

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you platonically that is a friend and he said, Cam
said no, He said, what do you why not? He said,
because I'm not gonna act like I'm gonna be around
the woman that I'm attracted to all the time and
I'm not gonna try to have sexual and I know
me so and he said, so you're gonna have self control?
He said, maybe I don't, whatever it is, but I
know I'm not gonna put myself in that position because

(57:30):
I know it's not gonna work for me. Any woman
that's around me that I'm attracted to, I know, I'm
gonna try to have sexful and this was his position.
So there was so then I watched him come back
and you know, after it's been out for a while,
the mutual while, he made a statement on his page
and he pretty much was like, you know that he

(57:51):
apologized to the women.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
He said that he sees that there are a lot
of men who.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Hate women, you know, and we've had these commons stations before,
but in this instance, it just made me feel a
little different because I was listening to Greed. There's a
lot of men who hate women, and he said it
was it's sad that Cam has a position to where
he doesn't respect women enough to where he doesn't see
him as sexual objects that he can be around them

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without want to have sex with them, and he doesn't.
He hasn't massive itself and has level of self control
in that, you know, basically was saying. He basically said
that as long as men like you are around us,
real men are gonna see you as suckers and we
never gonna respect you, right, And I didn't agree with that,

(58:39):
and I didn't understand, and from I don't get it.
I don't understand why people were so offended about this
man's personal reality, right, because I can understand if that.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Was effecting you.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
And then he went on to say that he feels
sorry for his girlfriend, you know, Jazzy, who's somebody that's
cool and I think she's a beautiful girl.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
And for me, my vision of this was, these people
have their own personal relationship, right, They've been together long enough.
Kim knows who he is. He's honest enough to say.
There's a lot of men who are not honest enough
to say that. There's a lot of men who run
around and do a bunch of shit and don't even know.
It's like if you're an alcoholic, and I say, if

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I'm an alcoholic, and I say, I don't want to
go to a ball because I know I'm an alcoholic
and I don't need to be around drinks.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
It doesn't make me a weak.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Maybe I am weak, but it makes me strong because
I acknowledge the faults that I have.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
And whether I agree with his position or not, because
I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
I think every man should be able to have a
platonic relationship with a beautiful woman. It's a bunch of
women that are beautiful around that. You have patonic relationship.
You're able to do business when you're able to move forward,
and you should be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
But I also think that.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
If a man is honest enough to understand his own weakness,
and he's honest enough to say that, enough to say,
I'm not putting myself in a position to where I
don't perform properly right understanding that, and he has a
woman who respects that, and they've created whatever it is
that they have for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I don't think a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Man should be criticized or you know, demonized for his
own personal reality that it doesn't affect anybody. The only
person that affects is cam and his woman. And if
him and his woman is okay, I don't think it's
okay for other people to tell that they feel sorry
for Maybe she don't feel sorry. She's been with that man,

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they got kids and everything. Maybe she is so happy
in her relationship, and you saying that you feel sorry
for he is diminishing what they've created because it's not
something that you are comfortable with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
It's okay for you not to be comfortable with someone
else's relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
It's because it's not your relationship. It's okay for you
to look and say, damn, that's not for me, and
that's why you not in that situation. But I don't
think it's okay that people have got to this point
what they're able to demonize and criticize people for a
reality that might make them uncomfortable, especially when it doesn't
affect you at all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
I think that anytime you have a large platform and
you say things that's ignorant, often you put yourself in
a situation for people to have something that they're going
to say, you know, or to have an opinion, so
we know that people are going to have opinions.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I think it's very toxic what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I think that we should be more responsible with especially
with our platforms, that we don't teach young people that
it's okay for them to, like you said, to lack
self control so much that when you know, they can't
do business or be in a good relationship with other
women or men so that they can weave for the

(01:01:58):
benefit of our.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Community, can build and grow together.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Right, Like, I think this is much bigger than just
a personal relationship betwell, whatever his personal issues are, because
that mindset comes from the objectification of women that the
only thing we are are sexual objects, and you can't
either see past that to can what we can do
to benefit you and help you grow in your life.

(01:02:24):
I think it's unfortunate because what therefore happens is that
the woman that he's with, and I agree, I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Feel sorry for her.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
I know a lot of people that are in relationships
where they may not be saying it in public, but
they're being abused, they're being beaten, they're being they're going
through all types of things, and we can see it.
We can see from how somebody is acting when they
are around us what misery is more than likely taking
place in their home. And this therefore means that she

(01:02:55):
is in a situation where she don't know what he
could or could not be doing at any given moment.
She cannot say that he's able to have a driver
that is a beautiful woman who has good skills, that
he's not trying to talk to her, and the mindset
that that that what he's what he is, what he's perpetuating,

(01:03:18):
or what he's stating, is not his mindset alone. There
are many men who cannot go into spaces places and
be around people and not have to try to talk
to the woman or try to use their whatever that is.
And there's women that do the same thing, that don't

(01:03:40):
know how to operate in spaces without trying to use
their sex appeal in order to get things done or
even you know, just to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
To let me, let me just finish the saying let
me finish.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
I had a man tell me one time that in
debate with the woman that he could not get the
woman to like agree or calm down because the woman
is very intense. That he had to say, oh, you know,
you're kind of cute in order to break the conversation.
But that woman walked away believing that, oh, we got
chemistry from that conversation. That woman didn't walk away like, oh,

(01:04:15):
he was just trying to break No. That woman believed
that there was something more and then win it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Repeated it to other people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Because again, if you only know how to use that
I'm cute or the body or something like that as
a way to be in conversation with people, then you're right.
You may not be able to function in society with
regular people. But I don't think that that is something
that should be celebrated. And I think I think I'm

(01:04:43):
not saying that you are. I'm saying I don't think
it should be celebrated. And I also think that because
of the type of platform he has, it's not just
that issue, it's an accumulation of his ignorance that piles
up on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Top of one another.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
And every single time he says not every time he
says something, but so often when he speaks, it's like,
if it ain't this is that, If it ain't this
shit is that, And it's just that you know that
this man who has been given because people who had
opposite mindsets. But anyway, people who think better, do better,
know better, try to teach better, don't get the same

(01:05:19):
platforms as a Cam Newton.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
They just don't the again, talking back about that system.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Promotes people who promote ignorance so much to our community
that you will see from that a bunch of young
black men running around talking about nine. I can't be
if I'm around a woman I'm trying to hit that
shit is whack. In fact, it makes us feel very uncomfortable,
I will say, And I'm gonna shut up and let

(01:05:46):
you have the last word because it's your segment. Steve
Harvey says something very similar, and maybe it's just the
way that I hear it from what you're telling me.
I never saw this clip. I don't know nothing about this.
First time hearing it was very.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Brass because he didn't even say has say he said,
I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
To stab Yeah, so I didn't even hear that. I
didn't even know that part, but just knowing him and
knowing that it sounds like that. But Steve Harvey said
something very similar. He said, I don't keep friends with
a bunch of women friends around me. He said, because
I don't want no confusion between me and my wife

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and some women.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
And you know whatever he said, I don't, I don't
do that. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
He didn't say he didn't keep women around. He said
something to that effect that he limits the amount of
women that are around now. He has women, friends, people,
we've been people be around. And I don't think that
any situation is like or what's what's the word like,
it's one hundred percent. There's never an issue. There's never

(01:06:52):
somebody that you meet that you attracted to. That's not
what I'm saying. I'm saying that when you use the
sum of words like i'm never, I'm never, that to
me is so ignorant to say that, And so I
can understand why the brother felt that he needed to
say this is this makes me feel not so good

(01:07:12):
about our brother and the woman that he's with because
that's just to say never.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
It's crazy what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I'm saying is and I don't I totally disagree with him, right,
but I had to respect the level of honesty that
he has in himself, right because there are so many
people who are not saying that and they have the
same issue.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
So it's like understanding, Like I said, understand, it's like
for me, it's like this, we we and we in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
America are telling Muslim women who were the jabs and
all of them that they are being abused, that you
you don't want to do that they got.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You doing all this and a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I know Muslim women that love wearing her jabs, that
don't want to show their bodies, so his job.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
They love to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
They love to have on come on you ye, this
is who they are. They enjoyed that they're not being
their wills are not being taken away.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
From some of them are, but that's not the old
And that's what I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
To explain to you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
To make a decision that because somebody's lifestyle or reality does.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Not coincide with what you think it should be, you made.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
A decision that they are imposing their will and that
their domestic violence and the woman is miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
That's not I don't think that's fair to that woman.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
I just I don't think unless you're a friend of
that woman, you know that woman directly, you've had a
conversation with that woman, or know anything about her, for
you to get on public and say that you feel
sorry for that woman because she is dealing with all
of these things and you don't know that it's just wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
I don't know if I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Would say I feel sorry for her if I don't
even know that I were kid as much as to
go into that. I guess if I was a guest,
they would put me in a different situation. But I
will say that sometimes we don't even know why what
we're experiencing is wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
But that's what see this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
So I'm trying to say you we get to make
all it's it's it's the thing is this you can't
yung somebody else is young.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
There there are things.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
There are things about me that I like that somebody
else might be like, Oh that's disgusting, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I might love it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
There's food that I'm like, always here in this situation,
I listen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
I refuse.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
The thing is okay, so let me have a kevic.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
That woman has been through a lot. Yeah, okay, that's
not that's not please.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
But the lady came.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I've had a conversation with her in my DM about
an argument that she had about camp and she was
like why She's like, thank you for saying that, because
people make me feel like I'm the worst person in
the world because I don't think the way that they think.
She didn't sound abused to me. She didn't sound like
she was being taken advantage of. She sounds like she
was in a relationship. So what's trying to say?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
So what I'm being taken events.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
So what I'm saying is for us on the outside
looking to base how someone else is feeling about their
relationship and their reality based on our reality.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
It's just not fair to me, especially when it does
not affect you to look.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
It's just like if a man likes to have quadruple
SYLMS with his wife, and you said, oh, she might
be the one that's initiating it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
She might.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
But the best way, but again, the best way to
do that where you get the least amount of opinions
and responses.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Is to keep it to yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
But because we have had millions of people watching you,
and you're sitting there telling millions of people that I
like to have quadruple sex and we don't use condoms,
people gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Be like, what about HIV?

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
What about STD But they gonna say I feel so
sorry for all of those women. Or if the wife
is the one that's exposed, they gonna say she's stupid
and the husband is dumb because he's letting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Get him get him diseases. That's what people are gonna do.
I don't have no problem with that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
I just don't like, I don't think that should dominate
you know what I'm saying. It's like we get so
caught up in that that we could never get to
the other things.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
And that's what that's the thing for me is for me,
it's just like I'm watching people have so many issues
with people's personal preferences and their personal life that they're
so consumed as if they are living it, and it's like,
it's no way that I'm that. Like if you if
I meet you somewhere and you're like, yo, I like

(01:11:39):
to go do this and that, and I'm like, oh,
I don't do that, Okay, nice to meet you, and
I'm gonna go with my other way. I don't really care.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
I'm when you said the bar, When you said the
bar and drinks, that is not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Why not tell me?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Tell me why?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
I explain because if I go to if I'm an
alcoholic and I know that I have an alcohol it
is a disease, right, Caim might have it this, he
might have a sexual whatever he might have diagnosed that.
I know me, I'm not putting myself in a position
to lose. So this is what I'm gonna do for me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
It might not work for you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
You might look at say why you can't do that,
because you can do it right. You might have a
self mastery that they don't. It's a lot of people
that have opinions about him, just like the I forgot
what the guy name was, Jackson, the black dude that
was talking about he was giving the advice about being
the best coach, and then his wife found out he
was cheating on that. He was up here giving the
best quotes every day, talked about you need to do this,

(01:12:36):
be a good man like me, and find out he
was just a liar. I rather a person like cam
acknowledge it. This is who I am, this is my abilities.
I fall short. These are things I can and can't do,
and I'm not gonna try to. I'm not trying to
make you comfortable with my reality. I don't have to
make you comfortable with my real You can be as
uncomfortable you want with my reality, and that's what people

(01:12:59):
gotta understand. You can be as uncomfortable you want with
somebody else to real. It's just like I said, Yo,
I don't fuck with Trump supporters. I'll unfollow you. I'm
blocking you. I don't need to impose myself. I'm not
gonna get on my page and talk about you. Yo,
your folks, I don't care. You just need to stay
away from me, and I'm cool with it. I don't

(01:13:19):
have to discribe. I don't have to just stay away
from me. And that's what we gotta do. If somebody's
reality makes you that uncomfortable to stay away from them,
But to disparage somebody because you don't agree with their life,
it's just to me, it's just I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I don't, I don't, I don't agree. I don't agree
with that. I just don't too much of that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Once you have then as the followers, and you present
a certain thing that we have to accept that you
don't have to accept it, that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
You do have to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
You have to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Accept, in my opinion, that they are going to be
people who feel the need to present a counterbalance so that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
So that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Young people do not walk away like, oh, well I
can't be around women.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
There are young men who had the same mentality.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
It's in jail.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
The other day, he was being released from jail, and
he was in jail for rape or some that had
to do with violating women. And when he was getting out,
the officer walked out the door behind him was a
one that grabbed on a butt, Like, so now you
need to be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
What we're talking about is a man who obviously is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Sick, right, and as long as we recognize that when
you are a person that has that little bit of
self control.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
It's a sickness, it is, it's a weakness, or whatever
you want to call it. It's it's people that have
different levels of weakness. It's people that can't go out
without drinking every days. I don't have to drink ever, I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Can drink or not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
But there's people that I know that cannot drink once
without drinking once or twice a week. It's a sickness
or weakness I can say. I can say that makes
you a weak person, that makes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
You whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Everyone has their own faults, they have their own character flaws,
they have their own differences of the way that they
live their lives. And you drinking or him drinking or
him fucking or him what they do does not affect me.
And I'm not and I'm not personalizing to the point
where because it's not my way of life that I
have to impose and make you feel that the way

(01:15:43):
that you live is the value because I don't agree
with it, or it doesn't coincide with the way I live.
Unless it's something that goes against and directly is going.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
To affect me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
It does. That's all I'm saying is it does.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Okay, if you think it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Definitely this thing what you're talking that what he said,
So would you rather?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
So I'm gonna ask you this, would you rather? Would
you rather?

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
There's a young boy right now that feels the way
Cam does, right, and he just goes in every situation
and just tries to fuck him every time everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
He's like it. That's how I feel, right, and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
I'm just gonna go in or you the young boy
heard Cam say, I'm not putting myself in that position
because I don't want to deal with that. And I
know me and a young boy says himself, you know what,
I'm not even gonna be in those positions.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Because I don't prefer that. So we're not prefer what
you mean, black people have to stay away from one another.
I don't prefer that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
What I'm saying is gonna individuals.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
There are individuals have understands that you are never going
to get me to fit into the paradigm like that's
being presented.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I'm never gonna fit into it, because what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Is that what if I had to give what I
hope is that you would be dealing with a heeled
man who was able.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
To say I realized that that was a problem that
I had, and I know it was wrong and I'm
fix it. So therefore I'm never going to be okay
with that. I'm just never gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
Never.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Never, Like never, if you have a rapist.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Right that comes out of prison, people nobody, nobody's letting
him go to the schools.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
But guess what right they put it on.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Put it on the list that they have children, you know,
And sometimes they put you on a list and you
could still be in the area, but they make sure
that people know. But at the end of the day,
what I'm saying to you is that if that is
the category that we are putting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Him, I'm not putting that's my point. But don't want
to put him in that. It's not okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
But you're putting him in a category for a different situation.
I'm just trying to say to ignowlg one's faults and
keep yourself surrounded.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
It's like it's people that are prone to do qu.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
To me again, I understand every example you gave, and
I'm telling you that you I think it's extremely toxic
and problematic.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
I think it's less toxic.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I think it's less toxic than the person who knows
that and still puts themselves in a position to keep fiting.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
I think he has the resources that's necessary, but he
doesn't have therefore, and then that's and that to me,
I'm not I'm not pushing, but I'm saying that that
is a conversation between you, your God, your therapist, and

(01:18:44):
the woman that you with. When you begin to spread
that information to the rest of the world, you are
normalizing behavior that actually places you in the category of
being a creep. So if you are own being a creep,
he is didn't know he's not, because if he said
he was a creep, he would argue that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
The man said, do you so you're two weak? He said,
I'm weak, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
I know me right, and this and and that's another
conversation and I'm done, completely done. But that's another conversation
that weakness is just an acceptable thing among so many people,
and particularly men. I see it a lot with It's like, oh, well,
call me whatever it is you want, But I'm a
still because because.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Attitude. More woman, I said that, I'm the one that
brought that up a way more.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Woman who's used this sexuality in positions No.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
No, no, my son, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Women have been freaking oppressed through the use of their
bodies and them as sexual objects as a like a
systemic problem, So so we couldn't I didn't say they
never had, but I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Just asking the question if we're comparing who utilizes sex
more to benefit my.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Son, I'm trying to tell you that we live in
a world that has stripped women of our humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
An object.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
It is very similar to the original conversation that we
were having about people wanting to address the person that
they have a bad experience with instead of understanding the
system that is designed to make that a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
And what I'm telling you is that if you want
to talk about what I did, listen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
If you want to talk about what I did in
this room, or what Janice did, or what somebody else
did at this moment in this room, that's cool, and
maybe you can find more examples of the woman using
her body or using whatever. But if you want to
get to the of where that comes from, we live
in a society that has been designed in a way

(01:21:05):
that a woman coming in a room trying to use
her intelligence doesn't even work.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
So so I'm saying it's we we go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
I'm saying I wasn't, But I wasn't saying the weakness
is that or it's just one person. I'm saying that
when you ask me, why would I say, man, I'm
saying that act to your point, Cam Newton is not
the only man that does not know how to go
into spaces, particularly where women are attractive and control themselves,

(01:21:36):
be able to do business, have conversations, meetings or whatever,
and not have those women to walk away feeling like
some kind of flirt or some kind of thing happened.
It just is He's not the only one. So your
point is well taken that he's only speaking truth to
something that a lot of people feel. I'm just saying

(01:21:57):
that the whole experience.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Of it is just wrong, and I'm not saying is.
I'm not saying is right because I don't agree with it.
What I'm saying is, if we're looking at the systems
that create both of them, Cam didn't create the system.
He fell into the system too, just like you. When
we talk about how the woman has been taught that
they have to objectify and utilize sex, because this is
the system structure, the same system.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
That taught her. That taught Cam the dumb shit that
he know too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Okay, I'm done, I don't that's mm hmm, okay, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Well, so it was a lot of dialogue.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
There was a lot of dialogue, you know, and sometimes
we're gonna agree and sometimes we're gonna disagree. Man, you
give us your opinion on this. It's definitely a hot topic.
I would love to hear somebody's gonna say, fuck you, mice,
somebody gonna cuts to me. I was gonna be they're
gonna be in the comments arguing today. But sometimes, you know,
we need dialogue because we need understanding. You know, we're
not gonna always agree. I'm not gonna always be right,

(01:23:00):
amigad matters and I could always be wrong, but we
will both always and I mean always be often.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
That's how we own it.