May 27, 2026 • 67 mins
This week on TMI, Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne AI-generated flyers, graphic designer professionalism, and the growing debate around creativity vs convenience. Is AI ruining the industry or are bad customer experiences pushing people toward ChatGPT and quick fixes? Tamika and Mysonne break down why talent alone isn’t enough anymore and why professionalism, responsiveness, and attitude matter just as much as skill.
The episode also gets deeply personal and political as they unpack celebrity culture, anti-Blackness, Kevin Hart’s comments surrounding Tony Hinchcliffe, George Floyd, MAGA culture, and why some celebrities distance themselves from activists while cozying up to controversial white figures. They discuss racism, media narratives, Black accountability, voting rights, and the entertainment industry’s obsession with dysfunction and controversy.
From Knicks celebrations to culture wars, AI debates, celebrity accountability, and the state of Black media, this episode is raw, passionate, funny, and unapologetically honest.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it's your boy my son
in general, we are your host of TMI.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
New energy. What's up my song letter? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am blessed and I'm happy because I'm a Nick
fan Tamika D. Malory and we all head into the
Champigne ship.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's just all.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's just that, man. You know we're blowing people up
by thirty seven fifteen. You know we listen.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hands down, the Knicks have been the best team in
the playoffs. They play better basketball than anybody. They've shown resilience,
They've shown teamwork, they show consistency. Right now, they are
the most prepared team to win it is there is
their series to lose, because right now, to me, there's
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no team that's like I think Senatotio is a dope team.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think they have intensity.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think Weinby is a fucking alien and I think, okay,
see it's good. But I think when you when you
put it down and you look at how each of
the teams is playing. When it talks about physicality, I
could say Sanatorio can match the physicality I think they
have that physicality, you know, but I think just the
way that the whole team is jelling together on the Knicks,
(01:24):
I don't think nobody can be I think they really
understand who they are.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I think, okay see is a good team. I think
they got good players.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I just don't think they want to play physical with
the way the Knicks want to play. So when you
put all those factors in, if I'm betting and I'm
just not a Nick fan, I'm betting on the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, my t shirt says Harriet, Rosa, Shirley, but you
can't see down at the bottom of Angela and me. Actually,
to Meka, come on, man, that if Harriet Tubman and
rolls Apart and Shirley, just if they would have been
Knicks fans, at least they would have celebrated because they
(02:06):
didn't seem like they was haters. Yeah, celebrated.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You're gonna celebrate the Knicks because look, just look how
pretty these colors look. Oh my gosh, looks like pretty color.
The colors is just beautiful colors.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'll give you that. But you know what I will
say is that Nick Knicks fans truly carried the next
this season, like all seasons, but this season the level
of positivity was like give and then the fans get,
(02:44):
the community gives, New York gade like everybody just kind
of collided to help them elevate and keep going. And
I watched it as a person. Obviously, I'm a Knicks fan.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I used to have season tickets. So when people say
all the time, they'd be like, oh, you don't know, like, oh,
you're not into sports, And I'm not a sports fanatic
by any means. I am not a sports fanatic. This
is not something that I sit in my house and
I go to watch the next howsoever. I used to
have season tickets to the Knicks, and I went to
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probably I don't know how many games there are, but
if there was fifty, which I know there is, you know,
whatever games here there in the third okay, so say
eighty three games. I went to sixty games, right like.
And the only reason why I didn't go to the
others is because I was out of town. But you
absolutely every night the Knicks, whenever they were playing in
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New York, we went to the games. So I know
a lot about basketball. Obviously. I used to go to
the game and it was we had multiple seats. It
was against the law, not against the rules, against the law.
To sit on your telephone at the game was against
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the law. I'm not talking about the rules, the rules
and the law. It could be too totally different things.
It was against the law to sit on your phone.
You have to watch that game, you need to be excited,
you need to be in it. So I know, and
I am absolutely a Knicks fan, and so I watched
how one of the reasons why we gave up the
tickets was because they started losing so bad, coupled with
(04:24):
the fact that the owners of the Knicks. It's particularly
Jim Dolan. He pedals in racism. Some people will say
he is a racist, but I have to be mindful
of what I say because they tell me that now
I'm at a level where when I say certain things,
they can end up in a lawsuit. So he definitely
pedals in racism. And therefore I was kind of like,
(04:48):
who cares, that's it, you know whatever, It's like, get
off the train, stop spending money that is going in,
you know, the air. But I watched this season and
it really started to up from last year because even
last year people were really like trying to trying to
like come lesson, but Okay, it didn't work out. But
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this year, the fans, the support is the people, and
God blessed the Public Advocate of New York City, because
I if there is one, there's two people that I
know in this in this whole city of New York
that are die hard Knicks fans, and it is the
Public Advocate of New York City. Jamani Williams and Mysore Lennon.
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These are two people.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That are in we want the Knicks man the.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Next completely end. So I'm happy for y'all. I'm happy
for all of us. I'm happy for New York and
I'm happy to see there's no incidents at least that
I know of reported where people are violin or whatever.
People are just over the top with how they expressed themselves.
But for the most part, it has been a joyous
occasion for the city, and I think folks need it,
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especially since the tolls are so damn high. Folks need something.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
When they get in the city is worth being there
for something?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
They need something. It's funny is on a toll issue
everywhere we go. Either you're calling me to put me
on the phone with somebody or someone else is coming
over to me. This is a real movement, and I
need the legislators. I've I've kind of like laid it out,
I've made it, put a plate forward, and now we
need the legislators to move quickly to help us because
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this I've come to the place where in order for
me to cross over to the next step, I need
the people who have the power of the pen to
push it forward. So today I sent a really really
encouraging I'm not going to say stern because you know
it wasn't actually stern. It was just encouraging, like, hey,
I know everybody's busy, everybody has a lot going on.
(06:52):
Let's just stay focused on this because when you have
food insecurity, housing insecurity, education issues, public safety issues, rats,
I mean, the list goes on, the poles become like,
you know, I'm on it. I'm with you, because it's
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because every single legislator that is involved in this situation
that I have talked to has their own story about
it happening to them personally. And oftentimes what we do
is we will look at an issue that we're involved
in and feel like for me to fight on, fight on,
behalf of this or to really get too involved in
(07:34):
this is self servent. Let me focus on these other things,
because you know this is going to seem like it's
all about me and my issue. Man, this shit is
city wide, state wide, nation wide, every single person who
cares about just poverty, because this is this is putting
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city workers. As your friend, your friend just told me
this a couple of days ago. She said city workers
are ready to hit the front line because they are
broke in debt.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
She's a correction officer.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Ye, stay serious, That's what I'm saying. So I put
a very encouraging message to say, I know, I know,
I know that everybody's got a lot going on, but
I need folks to focus because I bought us there.
I know one thing I know how to do is
make an issue. I know how to do that now.
So I did that, and now I need everybody else
to get on board. So the knicks and the toes,
(08:35):
we're gonna do both. And for those who are just
listening and can't see me, I'm sly slide. So listen,
let me let's talk about some stuff because I got
let me tell you, I have a notebook. I have
so many things to talk about. It's too many things
(08:56):
to talk about. Quite frankly, no one wants to hear
my mouth. But I wanted to talk about one thing
in particular. I saw a post. In fact, I'm gonna
ask Dennis please drop the screenshot of this post in
so what it says, for those who can't see it is,
(09:17):
if your flyer is made on chat GPT, I'm not coming.
I'm not coming. If your flyer is made on chat GPT,
I'm not coming. And I looked at that and I
said to myself, I completely understand, because what I noticed
(09:37):
is that graphic designers were in the comments saying, you know,
they were giving their thoughts on it. And there were
other people, some that I actually know, who were affirming
that they agree one hundred percent. They don't want to
go to event an event with a flyer that is
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AI generated. Part one of the reason is because you
can see it. Someone made an AI flyer for something
that I have going on, and you can see a
third leg of mine in the thing, like it's literally
a third knee that's like over to the side, Like
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come on, because you know AI doesn't get all the things,
and you got to clean it up, and then once
you tell it to take the extra knee out, it's
gonna change your face. Like it's a whole process. So
I get it that if you are a person who
has a skill set, when you see that, it's like,
this is embarrassing, this is ridiculous. We're just like dumbing
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down good service in the name of using these quick
fixes to things that people, you know, people can do well.
And it is killing people's livelihood because folks who are
used to getting the jobs of making ten fires is
a month or fiveflers a month with which is extra
(11:04):
income aside from their jobs. They get home, they work
on a flyer, they work on an invitation, they work
on an email blast. They do these things and then
you have you know, you have people you know. Anyway,
it cuts into people's livelihood. This is this is a
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significant problem that AI is creating where people will lose
work because AI will will take over certain things that
they are so used to doing. And so when I
saw the post, it got my attention, and then I
read the comments and I saw the affirmations from a
number of people. Here's my thing, and I just want
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to say this respectfully and with love, and if people
don't take it respectfully, that's fine. Over the course of
the last maybe two years, I have dealt with graphic
designers who have left me hanging. Graphic designers who have
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given me things and then ask me questions like, well,
you tell me how to fix it, like not even
in a you know, give me the words you want
me to say, but they actually want me to come
up with the conceptual, like the design, which is what
I'm asking you to do. I've had people say they're
going to have things done at this time. It's not
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done until later. You have people who have attitudes, they're snippy,
they're sarcastic. You have people who you know, give you stuff.
I remember one time I had somebody who did a
graphic job for me and then I ended up in
trouble with some with a sorority because it was a copy,
a direct copy of that sorority's work. I mean, I
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have gone through it, and this is that was more
than two years ago. But I have gone through the
gamut of awful experiences with a number of graphic designers. Now,
of course I have several who have done let me
not even say several, a few who have been consistently
good in terms of turning in a quality project those
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but timing, attitude, responsiveness, all of that has been a problem.
And when talking to friends, many of the people who
I am close to or people who I work with,
complain about very similar things. Again, this is not applied
to all graphic designers. I have a number of people
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who I have worked with who have been professional, who
have really really done all they can to do a
very very very good job. So let's put that square
and fair. However, there has been a growing unfortunate loss
of professionalists them desire, hunger, and all of the things
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that you need that you want to pay people. I
am not a person that does not want to pay people.
I don't want to be overcharged, but I don't not
want to pay people. And what I realized that as
the professionalism, the hunger, the drive, the energy dies, people
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will start to pick up other avenues that they can
use that are more efficient, cost effective. And the bottom
line is that the average person would love a lit flyer,
but what is more important to them is that the time, address, location,
and the general feel is ready in time for them
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to be able to push it out and do the
things they need to do the changes that they may need,
the edits or whatever. They don't want to deal with attitude,
a person not responding, people telling them it's going to
take three four days or three days or whatever. They
don't want to deal with that. And so what they
are now turning to is the use of AI as
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a tool to help them move quicker to get things done. Now,
I know that that's problematic because people who need the
extra income, people who have good skills, they want to
be able to maintain.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well what then why don't they do the job?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Then? Like if you're saying people have the skills and
the reason why I didn't mean to cut you off.
But the reason why people are doing this is because
they experience with the people who are supposed to be
the professionals that provide the service, they aren't providing in
an efficient manner, you know what I'm saying. So when
you say, oh, you know it's a problem, No, it's
problematic that we have to do that, because it's problematic
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that we have to say to ourselves. You know what,
I don't want to argue with this person about this.
I don't want to I need I can't wait four
days for you to get back a edit to me.
I can't wait three days for you to respond to
a text message or email about a change that I need.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't need you to have meet youoose all of
the stuff. I can go and chat GBT and say hey,
look I need something that looks like this and that,
and I could take the best product and I don't
got to deal with all that. So if these people
really want their jobs and they require the money, and
they need the money, then you would say, why don't
you be more efficient in your job. I can't say
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that you want the money or they need the money
if you haven't made a decision that you're going to
be efficient at the job.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, I think what I meant when I said that
is that what it does do is people who are
actually good at their jobs, who do have like you know,
like I said, I have a number of people that
I work with who they try to really accommodate my stuff. Sometimes.
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You know, we started in the morning on a project,
but by evening things changed. And there was a time
when the graphic designers that I worked with, they were hustlers,
They was hungry, they was fan it. They would you'll
remember the old flyers and the and and and it's
not just that I wanted to make sure that we
make this clear, because it's not just the old flyers
and the old whatever. I remember a time when the
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program book for the organization that I used to work for.
That program book a big program book with ads for advertisers.
It was, you know, the actual program letters from the governor.
This one that when placement things was getting shifted all
the time, and these people would be on it, on
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it all it, you know, Okay, okay, let me work
on it with you on the phone. Let me figure
out where can I put this, how can I move
this around? This is the attitude that they had, and
I get that there's a level of up, like, you know,
more professionalism. Maybe you got more projects, and maybe this
is not the job for you. But the best thing
to do is to tell people no, I cannot do it.
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What happens is people tell you they can. They irritated
with you because you expect a certain level of responsiveness.
For the most part, when someone asks you to do
graphics for them, or they ask you to put something
together that is their presentation to the world. They are
they have a deadline or a timeline in their heads
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now whether or not they actually do it at the time,
and that's not important the job. I'm just saying. And
by the way, people can tell me that I'm completely wrong,
that they don't agree with me, that they can do
it however they want, because in many people's minds, the
fact that they have the talent has making them the
prize in their mind. And you don't have to listen
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to me. I'm just trying to be your handy dandy friend.
That's letting you know what will Talent is not enough.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Talent is hard work. Be talent with talent, don't work.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Hard is talent is not enough? Talent and telling me
oh it's better is this? Is that? And the third
it is not enough. Most people don't even know about
the level of quality that they could go to. They
good with the nice basic quality that they've had, as
long as they have a nice person who has a
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positive attitude, who also is responsive, and who does not
try to overcharge them to the point where they just
can't handle it. Now, we gonna negotiate two ten dollars
one hundred dollars. But Pete, there are some people who
are coming to you telling you they need three thousand
dollars in order to take pictures at an event like
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stop it now. I'm not saying people are doing that
to me, but these are the horror stories because I
watch on the internet. My algorithm pushes me this type
of stuff and I get to see it. And I'm
just saying, and.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I'll I'm gonna use my phone.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm just saying, I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Gonna take pictures to selfies. I'm gonna get somebody take
the pictures with they phone.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Good photographer, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
We got some photographers.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, But I understanding for you for you to charge
me three thousand dollars two dozen. I just I'm just
I'm just not of the reality of that. I need
pictures that path. I don't need whatever quality like. I
just need to be able to say, oh that's me.
I don't need it to have the best pixelation.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You want it good.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I don't really care though, I'm telling you my phone
listen to me, the Galaxy takes excellent pictures, the best
pictures for you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
To me that I'm making is that you we need
the services. We want the services, but if the services
come with too much of a hassle, too much stress,
and or just.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Just too expensive.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Palism is too expensive. It's all those things. Then don't
worry about it, because guess what, it's a young cat
or a young person, younger person who is hungry. I
think just and I don't want to call you was
names because I don't want to forget a good photographer
we've worked with, or a good graphic artist or whatever.
But I'm just thinking one person's name I know I
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can call, and that's Kai Kaiwan, who works with us
on videos. He did your birthday video. He did my
real for my personal mind, did your real. He did
cheese birthday video. He is professional, quick and kind and
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I'm telling you that the kindness of it all is
gonna get you real important to me. He made the changes,
he took the time, he blocked it out. He has
other projects, but he said, okay, if I'm gonna take
this on, I could do it between here to here.
He gave me such a strict schedule for what he
could do that I knew if I fall within. He said,
it has to all the material needs be in by
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this day. The changes we all we're gonna work on
it on Tuesday Wednesday, we sending it to the venue
to make sure that it's good. He was able to
do that, and therefore, or if my job is to
pay him one time, my job is to not try
to undercut him, and my job is to respect his
work product. And I'm just saying that I feel that
a lot of people are gonna find themselves without opportunities
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once people begin to spot figure out that they can
actually do a lot of this stuff themselves. Because I
can tell you right now, my parents and other people
that I know, they don't give a shit about whether
or not it came off of AI. What they care
about is do it have the time, the date, the place,
the price of the ticket or whatever it is. And
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a a an overall vibe is the baby picture on
it is? That? That's it. That's it. So you might
say you're not going to the event if the fly
is done on AI, but shortly sure event is gonna
go on and you just ain't gonna be there, sure,
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all right. So that brings me to my thought of
the day. So, you know, thinking the other day, a
friend who does the same type of work that we
do every day, social justice work. And this particular friend
called me. They're gonna know exactly that I'm talking about
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them when they see it. But the friend calls me
pissed off because said celebrity told them I cannot be
seen with you doing X y Z thing because you
know it's going to create problems with me, for my
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sponsors and my you know, various people in my life,
my agent, whatever, I can't be seen with you. And
the next way not saying we can't be cool, but
I can't be like with you, hanging and all of that,
and I'm sorry, and the person was very apologetic that
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this is not It's just that I'm working on something.
It's big, and I unfortunately am not in a space
right now where I can hurt this deal or mess
up what I have going on, because you know, you
and I are frat nozzing. That's not the exact words
(24:22):
I'm super paraphrasing, but this was their experience, and they
would fissed off, and they showed me. They sent me
a picture of that person with another individual who has
been considered to be racist and sexist and a whole
list of other things. Now, the friend of mine asked back, Okay,
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what is it about me that your agent and your
people with pr people on us, what are they concerned
about it as well? You know there's articles online that
you know, have you as anti semitic, has you as
this is a man, and they were saying, you know,
have you as homophobic and some other things, And so
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it's just not a good look for me. For meanwhile,
this other individual that they're prancing around town with is
a person who has been called all kinds of things
by your people, by the way, your people, people who
look like us, And so it made me sit and
really think about I was just thinking for a while
(25:38):
before going to sleep, what is it about white folks that,
no matter what they've done, or how terrible they may be,
or what labels have been attached to them based upon
their actions, that we can be seen with them, That
celebrities can be seen with those individuals. But when it
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comes to folks who are doing liberation work or people
who are calling out the system, then all of a sudden,
it's like I can't be seen with you, but I
could do this over here. I really was sitting with
this thought that we live in a world where white
man can be anything anything, and we will say I
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can I can you know, I can still be safe
and be around this person. But when it comes to
our own people, if you've been labeled somehow, or if
you you know, you talk too much, or you challenge
the system too much, you become a third rail and
(26:51):
I have to stay away from you. And I'm trying
to figure out from the celebrity class, even my own
friends that are celebrities, who are making these decisions for you?
And how are you deciding who is acceptable and who's not?
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And why is it that it seems that those who
are not acceptable always look like and are one type
of group of people, and those who are acceptable, regardless
of what they've been canceled for, regardless of what people
may think of them, they are always folks that are
generally rich, white folks. What and what I try to
(27:36):
ask myself even deeper, is where are the artists in
our world, like the Harry Belafonts, like the Sydney Portieres,
like listen. Don't get me started, because the list is
so long of celebrities, even some few today who don't
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give a damn that I'm not saying I'm not going
to be seen with that powerful person. But at the
same time, I'm going to also stand with and be
with my people, regardless of how it may threaten you
and your white power frame.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think that's a very good question, and I think
the issue is that it's okay to be anti black.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's the trend, especially in this era. Right now, it's
okay to be anti black. There was about five or
six years ago there were people who wanted to be
Black Lives Matter. They wanted to be next to Tamika Mallory.
They wanted to give an Old Awards, they wanted to
standing for George Floyd. Every corporation said they was going
(28:52):
to donate to black causes because being black was cool.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It was cool to be a revolutionary. It's cool to
have a up it was. They put BLM on Washington
d C.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It was cool.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Everybody wanted to make sure that they have proximity to you.
They wanted to make sure that they were seen supporting you.
They were vocal about it. Right, that was the time.
In this time, it is not okay to be someone
who speaks about blackness, right. They want you to They
want you to forget that racism exists. They want you
to forget that we're dealing with a fascist, racist government
(29:29):
that is actively trying to erase every all black power
and black evolution that we have created in the last
seven to eight years. They want that's not cool, no
more so what's happening is it is okay for you,
as a black person to us to make sure that
(29:50):
you have friends with anti black people. Right, It's okay
for you as a black person to be with white
people that can say the motion the worship in the world. Look,
Charlie Kirk, they want. They made Charlie kirkinto your holiday.
Right if you say, if you say anti black shit,
you are celebrated. Right, So we even when we look
at this whole thing with the Kevin Hart Rose, it's okay.
(30:12):
Kevin Hart can get on the Breakfast Club and tell
you that, you know, everybody can say that his cliff
is racist. I don't think he's racist. Does he push
the line?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yet?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's okay, Like because you can you can insult black people, right,
and other black people can say it's okay. They can
give you the reason and why it makes sense to them,
because that's the society that we we we we we
as black people have made people comfortable with disrespect for
us because there is no real consequences. I remember not
(30:46):
bringing up, but I remember a person that I was
very cool with telling me that, and I was like,
I don't understand why you comfortable with disrespecting this. If
if it was a if it was a Jewish person
or someone from that persuasion and you disrespected them, you
would apologize. And people have had to apologize when they
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said something that harmed that community, as they should. So
why don't you think that you should have to apologize
for harming the black community? And the person looked me
there in the faces of because it doesn't affect my
bottom line?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Right, me?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Me, me not apologizing, I don't I could just completely
ignore being anti black. I could say some anti blacks
and it's not going to affect my bottom line.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And until black people say you.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Disrespecting us, you hanging around people who disrespect us, you
hanging with the most racist people, we won't support you.
We're gonna see the same thing because they understand that
these other communities are going to support people that they
deem on anti them, and we don't care. We make
excuses for people that there's no way that you make
an excuse for Tony Henshcliff, this is one of the
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most racist people. When you look at Chelsea Handlers. She
literally said it strated this man is racist, he's misogynists,
He's one of the worst people in the world. And
people know that. You know what, see I'm saying. But
we have black people that say, well, I don't think
he's racist. You know, I think I think he just
pushes the envelope and I think he wants to get
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shock value.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
But I don't think he's You know why, because they.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Have proximity to whiteness, they have proximity success, and they've
they've owned the racism right because it's just it's cool,
like racism is just like a joke.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
And advantage too makes.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The easier for them to deal with being disrespected right
in their face.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's like when you look at the Wesley Hunts and
you look at Byron Donald's and you listen to Tim
Scott and they tell you that America is not race
because they have been in proximity to racist white so
long and they've still been able to excel, so in
their mind, it's not really that bad. Here they said
a couple of things and they're trying to be funny.
But they're not really racist. They don't really, you know,
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even though they say these things about me, and they
say things with my.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
People less I don't have to end. It is house
necro be hit.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
It is when you're in the house and you are
great by the master. As an enslaved person, you believe
that the great thing of the ones in the field
is worse. That's it. That's it. It's not that serious.
He loves me, Massa loves me, Miss ma'am. She loves me.
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She yet has had that.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You don't want to discipline me? She had to beat
me like that?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Because I did bad?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Listen, let me tell you something. What's his name, Hincliff?
I don't know his name, and I'm gonna say you what.
I won't even give I will not even give him
the respect of going to try to figure out his name.
Him the guy the comedian who was who gave the
very very racist prost at Kevin Hart's even he also
(34:13):
at a Trump rally. Because let's let's let me tell
you what the problem is too. And it pisses me
off all the time, but I want to I feel
like I need to be in places and spaces where
I can ask questions and say things to people and
(34:35):
challenge them in real time on their bullshit. Right, I
want to be there. I wish that the Breakfast Club
had invited somebody, need you, anybody to come up there
and go back and forth toe to told with Kevin Hart,
because this man is not somebody who just woke up
(35:02):
and came to do a joke. He has a history
of saying very racist things. And as we said on
our show last week, there is an absolute obsession with
bringing up George Floyd, because there is an obsession with
trying to dismantle and and and and unravel the idea
(35:24):
that George Floyd deserves an international crime, that the world
should have stood up for a darker skinned black man
who had a track record in history that wasn't great,
who may or may not have used drugs, who.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Wasn't light skin and looking like somebody who who who
should have some type of particular respectability from America.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, that's a that's the problem. And they don't like
that the world stood up for George Floyd, and they
further cannot stand the idea that George Floyd has become
with all the things. They tell you, Oh, he did this,
he beat his baby mother, he was on drugs, he
did this, he wasn't good. They tell you all of that,
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and largely the entire world, not just black people, but
people all around the world tell you, I don't give
a damn about anything that he did. Now they had
arrested him and locked him up and threw him and
threw away the key over those things, and did it
fine if he would have made it to prison over
that good this day? Okay, May what twenty fifth of
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twenty twenty. He did not deserve to be murdered in
the way in which he was. And they cannot stand
the idea that we have made him a red line
in our community. That's the problem. But this man has
He did not just start there. And what is disrespectful
as shit to black people. But it is us. It
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is because of us that it happens that I don't
blame this one nobody else. I blame it on us
as black people, because guess what, that man went to
the Trump rally again. He has a history. He's a
trump st He's not just a Republican, because I know Republicans,
some of them are my good friends. Some of them
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say they Democrats, and we know they Republicans. We know, right,
we talk about it all the time. Some of our
good friends, Yeah, good friends are Republicans and they would
not be seen in the same room with Trump. And
this is some of them. Some of them white men,
the white boys. They don't like Trump either. They don't
(37:46):
respect him. They don't go chasing him around. They stay
they don't say much against him, but they stay quiet
and they really don't like him. You've got a group
of white people that's out there fighting against Trump that
are that actually have Republican values also, so there's a
bunch of people who are Republican. But we talk about Maga.
(38:07):
We talked about people who ran to the rally to
be with Trump and that man, that comedian got up
on a rally in whatever year that was, I think
it was the Madison Square Garden rally when they was
racist as all outdoors it was KKK, it was a
klansmen rally. They set it all, did it all everything
(38:27):
they wanted to do. And outside was doctors, lawyers, teachers,
people who provide your food, your services, They take care
of your children, They run the schools everything. They was
out there rallying outside of Madison Square Garden at that
Trump rally, and that man stood up there and called
Puerto Rico an island of garbage. He said Puerto Rico
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was an island of garbage, and every new station in
America picked it up. They dragged it down the block
for days and days and days. They said it was disrespectful.
They said it was overboard because he was being a
comedian at the time when he said it. They said
it was disrespectful, it was overboard, it was nasty, it
(39:12):
was racist, it was violent. I'm talking about white media
outlets said this just like you say, you know, to ask, at.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
What point when does your own moral compass say this
is just not okay with me. I don't give a
if you call you yourself a comedian an actor. When
did you just say to yourself like, this is not okay.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Thanks, son, You're going around my point. I'm telling you
that when they said when he said island of garbage
about the Puerto Ricans, every news station in America Republicans.
(39:53):
But when people have the nerve to say this ain't right,
we feel uncomfortable. It's disrespectful to us. We are told
quiet down, it's too much, it's a joke. And then
a black man, a black man who has power and influence,
(40:17):
is unable. In fact, it's not that Kevin Hard is
unable to read the room. He has read the room,
and he is so disrespectful to us as a people
because in his mind, either we gonna still support him,
it ain't gonna affect his bottom line, or he's crossed
over so much into the white world that he does
(40:40):
not need to hear his people.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I think, you know, I believe you, but I think
I'm starting to believe that they can't hear well. I'm
starting I'm starting to believe that when they gets to
a certain place that they normalize it to the point
where they become death to the reality of our people,
because they're in a room to where they so tone
(41:03):
death and this is just the normality for them. So
they looking at us like we're crazy, because they're like,
these are not racist people. These are the friends that
I go, I go have lunch with them. They cool
with me, they invite me over, they're friends with me.
They call me on the phone. These are not racists.
And they think because they have this friendship and all
this charaderie because they have access to wealth that it
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eliminates racist from being racist.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
They don't. They don't.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'm telling you I believe because I'm starting to say
to myself, I don't think these are bad people. I
don't think they just want to be you know, checking it.
I think that they adopt like I think it's a
form of Stockholm syndrome that they actually gravitate to that
they don't even know because they sound so convinced that
these people are just not bad people and it's not racist,
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and me bugging.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Out my son, you're being kind.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
I have to because I can't believe.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
You know, I'm kind. You get on me because you say, oh,
come on, you're gonna sit there and listen to that
bullshit this, and that you're being kind. There was one
thing that Kevin Hard did that let me know he knows,
(42:19):
he understands, and he doesn't give a fuck. And I'm
gonna tell you what it was. When Laura La Rosa
said to him, did you watch the interview that I
did with George Floyd's brother talking about Terrence Floyd? And
he said, no, I ain't watch. It's not disrespect to you,
(42:40):
but I didn't watch, and then he went on for
a whole minute without allowing her to finish her point.
I never watched. I'm not gonna watch. I'm just letting
you know. I won't watch. I won't watch. I will
never watch. I'll never see it, I'll never watch. You
are man who will sit there because I'm gonna tell
you right now what I know. And I know this,
(43:01):
I know this with everything that I love. If the
Jewish community in large said that they did not appreciate
the way in which Kevin Hard said XYZ, and therefore
a family member was speaking on an interview about the issue,
(43:24):
I can promise you for everything that I know in
my heart, he would not sit there and say I've
ever watched it, i won't watch it, and I'm not
going to watch it, and I'm not gonna you know what,
and you know what, He would be wrong to do
it to them too, because he because he should listen,
watch and at least take in the family member of
(43:45):
a Holocaust survivor or an October seventh survivor. These are
people who experience horrific, horrific things at different periods, whatever
the cause they have been it could be just a
killing that took place at a kynagogue. If Charlie Kirk's family.
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Erica Kirk said, I've heard the comments. They harm me.
And then he was on the show and the person said,
did you watch the interview with Erica Kirk's children speaking
about how it was for them to see a video
with a bullet flying through their father's neck. I promise
(44:34):
you that he would not sit there and say I
don't know, I can't and I'm not and this, and
that you can do it to us because we allow it.
The only way it stops is when we say, don't
worried about alcohol. Let me tell you the bet the
thing that God rest his soul. Jesse Jackson, Oh, Jesse Jackson,
(44:54):
he said, one thing that's so powerful. Don't argue, just
shit off. If them people are more important to you,
go to them. Let them continue to fuel your career.
We don't have to we don't have to watch, we
don't have to listen, we don't have to support. And
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that's the only way to be able to deal with it.
People will say, oh, you calling for a boycott to
Kevin Hart. No, you know why I'm not calling for
Boycotta Kevil Hart, because most people ain't gonna listen when
it's good and funny here and it's good entertainment, there's
a whole bunch of people that are gonna run over there.
So I'm not calling for a boycott to anybody. Me personally,
(45:38):
I won't be supporting it. But I know that me
by myself and a few people is not enough to
make him feel it. So no, I'm not calling for that.
I'm just saying this not for Kevin Hart. I'm saying
this for black people. It is. You don't have to
argue with these folks, not even for one minute. We
don't even have to get mad. Matter of fact, we
cannot say anything. All we gotta do is just withdraw
(46:04):
one point four trillion dollars of our spending. We can
just withdraw it and that's it. It's a simple solution.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I don't. I don't have any desire.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's like Nicki minaj I told folk that night when
I was sitting in my hotel room by my little self.
Way at the very beginning when they started. These people
are so good at what they do. They started out
(46:38):
with an issue that they knew would strike the nerve
of people locally in Nigeria, Nigerians right, people who are desperate.
What the fuck have they done for the Nigerians since then?
Did Nicki Minaj get on a plane and go over
(46:58):
to Nigeria? Did she go over there? Did Trump? Did
they go? Did she go? She went to Elon musk
thing right to go see the spaceships or whatever the
hell they're building over there, to to pollute our communities
and grape and rob us. She went over there. She
(47:18):
went to sit with Erica Kirk, She went to Trump's events,
she's right around. Did she go to Nigeria where the
people are that she's so concerned about? Did she do
a fundraiser form? I'm just asking you.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I can't. I cannot confirm, nor do not.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
No, it's not. If she did it us, every blog
in America would have picked it up and said she's
following up. But they started with that bullshit because that
was the easiest way to draw the people in. So
perhaps I missed it. Perhaps I miss but I said,
from that moment, I said, I see where this is going.
(48:06):
The sister's being used. Maybe she don't know, maybe she does,
But I'm telling you this is going in a bad direction.
People lost it young man that I knew, nice young
man that I you know, really had a good relationship
with it. He went the fuck praising on me, start
sending me all kind of crazy ass wild dms. Oh
you ain't shit the fu I mean, he lost his
(48:29):
shit on me, lost his mind that she said she
ain't with Trump. It ain't about choosing side. It's about
the people, not Jim. That's what they said. Ain't been
no nothing, not a thing about Nigeria mentioned since then.
(48:50):
And guess what else she all the way back? Like
I said, So what I'm just making a point here
today is that Kevin Hart's statements are worse on the
Breakfast Club than it was. He could have said nothing
and done that job.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I concur one hundred and he was let off saying
nothing because you just you just had to figure out
what he thought or maybe feel like you know, I
don't want to say anything. Look, but the fact that
you come out and justify and double down and disrespect
still disrespect the family, like you said, it's just like
it's sad because you don't you know, I remember the
(49:33):
minister say that I want to be with my people.
You don't think I want to hang out with you,
don't think it hurts me that I gotta always be
the eyeball. But I don't want to be at odds
with black people all the time. I don't want to
have to like I love Kevin Hart, like I would
like watching this joke, watch his movies. But somebody gotta
tell you this is bullshit. Do you think I want
(49:54):
to be the person all he goes. I don't want
to do that shit, bro. I want to be able
to go and have a good and being spaces and
not say yo, I don't.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Called you out on bullshit. I gave you.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I gave the first time I gave you yo. Look,
maybe you don't understand, maybe you maybe you just trying
to figure it out. And then you come out and
double down, Like at what point, I wouldn't even be me.
I wouldn't be a man if I didn't speak truth
to power. And it hurts that we have to always
call our people. I do not want to do this
shit all the time.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I don't I don't get I don't get no fun
out of it. It's none like you. I want to
be an enjoy the next I want to be like, Yo,
the Knicks is winning. I don't want to have to
talk about some racist shit. Will you disrespect the family
of somebody that we are family with. We literally is
on the front line for George Floyd taking pepper spray
in the odds in the courtroom, and it's funeral like this.
(50:48):
These are people that we literally shared space with and
grieved with them and watch them actually receive justice, you know,
and and hugged each other while tears was coming on
people's eyes, like this is personal for me. So for
me not to speak up and say something about it,
I wouldn't even be who I am. But it hurts
that we always have to do this to our people.
(51:11):
I do not want to be at odds with black people,
but I have to make black people understand that when
you do things that jeopardize us as a people, we
have no choice but to speak up. And that's just
that's just the reality with what it is. And I'm
not gonna go along to get along. I'm not gonna unfortunately,
I'm not a person that's gonna laugh and it ain't
(51:32):
gonna funny. It ain't funny, and I'm not gonna dance
when it ain't no music.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Well that's it. I don't have anything else to say.
I have plenty that I could say, but you know,
you know, the fight for our voting rights.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, all of these things tie into it.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
They do. But there are cultural people who like you
keep your cultural person, you know, you're in the culture music, art, entertainment.
And then there are other people that I feel like
are also in that space who are really handling it.
(52:19):
You know, it's really I mean, y'all are saying the
things and and and and framing it in a way
that helps a person who might be confused as to
why this even matters, helping people to understand. And so
I don't feel obligated as much to have to be
in this space because over here they're gutting to voter
rights that you know, it's just completely voting rights ack.
(52:45):
And the midterm elections are coming, so I'm going to
focus my attention more so over there. But I did
think it was important call the stade the spade because
it's just it's too far. It's really just too far.
So anyway, what you don't get today from I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
You know, I've been noticing online there's just a clear
amplification of men, and particularly black men, just disrespecting themselves
for any level of notoriety, money or anything like it.
It's become a new thing, you know, and and it's amplified,
(53:25):
and it's actually disturbing to me, right because there was
a time when we were celebrated for being stand up
individual We were celebrated for being men of honor integrity,
you know, for being sharp, for being smart, for being intelligent,
for being coherent. And now we're pushing the the image
(53:51):
of the worst kind of black men, like black men
who are drunk or high or just delusion new like
we're pushing him to the front. And this whole streaming
era has is amplifying so many people, like you know,
like Adrian Brona was one of my favorite boxers, Like
(54:12):
I used to love watching Adrian Brona box dope boxer,
Like he was one of the best boxes.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
And you know, his life started taking a turn.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
You know, you realize he was into alcohol, He's got alcohol,
he was dealing with depresson whatever he was dealing with,
and there's this this re emergency Adrian Brona, that's not
even who the person that I even know, but they're
celebrating it so much. He's drunk all the time. He
doesn't even look clean. Most of the time, he's not coherent.
(54:45):
He's saying, that's that. Amuse it, But we are amused
at his dysfunction. We had amused at his demise. The
man is drunk every day. He's literally killing hisself drinking
fucking straight liquor to the dude to set there and say, Yo,
you shouldn't be drinking that like that, and he said,
I'm gonna do it again tomorrow. And and this this,
(55:07):
These are the biggest things, the biggest streams. You know.
We watched ray J, who is literally going through a
mental breakdown. He's out there boxing when he knows he
should not be in no ring with nobody. But it's
being amplified and pushed. It's being amplified. And these people
are actually making money to actually diminish their value as men.
(55:28):
And I don't understand when that shit became a trend.
I don't understand when why isn't why aren't people saying
and I understand people want to make money, you know,
but why aren't people say, yo, we're gonna take Adrian
Vruna Because we love him.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
This is a champion. It's a black man who experienced
a level of prestige in boxing that is unheard of
for the division champion. Like people don't do that.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
But we're literally watching this man deteriorate in front of
our eyes. We're watching him diminish his value you as
a man. Fuck with how much money he's making, but
he's diminishing his value as a man. And he's actually
literally killing himself, drinking hisself to death, and they're paying
him to do it. People are paying ray J to
(56:14):
go on platform and this is my I love ray
J as I would do because they're paying ray J
to crash out and say and do the most. He's
literally saying that he don't even know how long you're
gonna live, and they're paying him to get in the
ring with people and diminish yourself. Like we highlighted some
of the people that get on here say the most
(56:36):
disrespectful shit. People don't even have fucking common sense. And
these are the people that we are having to represent
us as a people in a culture. I don't get that.
I'm never gonna get it. There's never enough money that
you can pay me that I would devalue and disrespect
(56:56):
my mother and my father, because when you go out
there and you show that level of disrespect and the
value for yourself, you're disrespecting the people who need you.
It's nothing that you can pay me to do that.
I don't know when men got comfortable being paid to
devalue themselves, and I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
I just don't understand that. It shit is. So it
hurts because I'm watching.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Ab and you laugh, and when you after you finished laughing,
he's like, then this man is literally killing hisself, like
he's literally dying. He's devaluing hisself. He doesn't look healthy,
his skin looks terrible, he's fat, he's out of shape,
he's drunk all the time. He's spitting on people. But
it's amusing to people. You know, ray J knocked out
(57:45):
in the ring, he's looking all fat, like it's just like, yo,
where are the people's friends?
Speaker 3 (57:51):
Where are the.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
People that Baddy's culture is very similar to that you
know for us as women, But it's started with the housewives.
It all starts to trend downwards, right, it's love and
hip hop, housewives, basketball wise, all of that. If it
(58:11):
was possible, because I know because you know what, I
got several friends on all the shows if it was
possible to be on these shows and act like they
do in their normal lives, because in their normal lives,
like I know Anny, right, And I'm not saying that
(58:33):
in her normal life she might not have some drama,
because we all have some drama. But she does not
wake up on ten acting like the way that she
is on that show as.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
They take the clips from that situation. But I'm not
even what I'm saying to you.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
What I'm saying to you is there's a market, like
you said for that, because I know Jennifer. Jennifer Williams
does not get in fights with any ever. There's no problem.
Most people who are around her, they love her, They
treat she's good. Even if she has, as you know,
an uncomfortable situation with a friend, it does not turn
(59:12):
into the point where people are walking over tables where
she's fighting. I mean, that is so outside of anything
we know about Jennifer. I also know Yandem and DC's
all the things that they are going through. They do
not bring that personal business does not even leave their house. Now,
I'm not saying who's doing what and why it is
(59:35):
what I'm saying. They their shit is within the family
members that are extremely close knit, and DC's does not,
under any circumstances talk around everywhere about the issues that
he may be having in his family and his personal life.
None of that. You know that, And I could go
(59:56):
on and on, But what has happened over time is
that to your point, like you said, when I said,
I'm going to go back and I'm going to focus
on voting rights and things of that nature and let
the cultural people, the people who are in the culture,
focus on how to address the Kevin Hart whatever the
(01:00:17):
guy's name is situation. You said, it all ties together.
And the thing is you have to ask yourself who
runs these companies and what do they benefit from keeping
us fighting and acting ignorant. They literally have been planning
Project twenty twenty five before it was mentioned, before there
(01:00:38):
was a name to it, and at a time long
time ago. Probably it never stopped. It probably began the
day that we obtained freedom with quotes. It probably began
at that moment that we have to start working on
something that dismantles this stuff. So they need a chaotic
(01:01:02):
system that helps to destabilize us mentally, physically, emotionally, and
the television becomes a part of it. Wherever they see
a spike in our interests, it becomes polluted and toxic
for our communities, church, the internet, TV shows education, they
(01:01:31):
find a way to insert, like a needle toxicity and
they use us to do it. So that's where it
came from. When you say it's profitable because there's a budget,
there's a hotline item. I know people who have shows
that they have sold to networks books. In fact, there
(01:01:52):
are people who are working on something very specific for me,
and they've said, we got to raise our own money
because if we use the money of XYZ companies, they're
gonna want to change it and perform it a little bit.
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Well, I know, it's just disheartening and just watching right,
there was there was a time when you would watch
TV and there was an amplification of men who were
well rounded, were groomed, you worked out, you had a class,
You have respect, you know what I'm saying, You have honor,
you have some level of decency. And now that's just
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not what you see. You just don't see that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
You just even if it didn't have honor one hundred percent.
It was not the thing that they led with, right,
Like the world didn't lead with the dishonor and that
made for it because you're not gonna tell me that.
Michelle and Barack Obama, which we now know right because
she has done a great job of keeping it one
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hundred percent real. Shit wasn't always good. I didn't even
like him. Sometimes we have some serious arguments conversations, and
guess what her husband is snipping her butt. He loves her, Okay,
he's like baby, tell him whatever, because he understands that
there's only generationally black women have a responsibility to pass
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down information, right, that is what we've always done. So
when people get mad, like why is she telling all
of this? She needs to keep that stuff to herself.
Michelle Obama actually has a responsibility to educate the rest
of us on what it looks like to be in
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a relationship with a man who you always bring this up.
What's the movie that you bring up all the time?
Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Pursuit of happiness?
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Okay, pursuit of happiness, bring it up all the time.
Barack Obama's pursuit of happiness. I'm not saying he was
that dirt broke, but he worked for her and she
believed in him so much, so so much of an investment,
so much sacrifice, so much all the things that he
(01:04:09):
became the president of the United States two times. You
think she liked him all the time, and that there
wasn't moments where they went to the event and he
was kicking in over there with Sally May a little
bit too much. Just love that too much, like doing
anything terrible. But just let me take you over here
(01:04:32):
when we get back to this house and tell you, motherfucker,
don't play with me, because I will pull my motherfucker
switch blade from Chicago out on you. And Sally made
at the motherfucking next function, play with me and see
how this workout for you. And you know what he said,
I'm not gonna test hun because this lady right here
(01:04:55):
might actually now she might not tell you all that,
but we as black people, we know and now and
then you got to tell your man, I will get
the motherfucker sweahblade on you, especially an attractive man. We
everywhere you go, freebody, everybody is like, oh my god,
but you could be a stink, fat, stink, funky trump
(01:05:17):
looking Last Jamni Williams said, shit stain, iron hit stain
looking man, and the bitches is gonna be mmmmm. Okay,
so you already know that Barack Obama if you think
he walked in a room and everybody says, oh my god,
(01:05:37):
we can't just don't say anything, and then he was
just like, oh my god, that is a lie. So
everybody has drama, everybody has issues, everybody has problems. But
the world has now decided that it's going to need
with those things as a way to attract folks in.
And it's just a dangerous proposition. So that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Well, I guess you're right, man. There's always gonna be
something I don't understand. But you know, I just hope
that black men, especially black men, get back to a
place where we want to be viewed in a in
our higher selves right where we don't we don't take money,
we don't take anything to degrade ourselves. That's that's just
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my wish.
Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Don't take money. Some people do it for free, but okay,
have a good.
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's just that, man. You know we're blowing people up
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hands down, the Knicks have been the best team in
the playoffs. They play better basketball than anybody. They've shown resilience,
They've shown teamwork, they show consistency. Right now, they are
the most prepared team to win it is there is
their series to lose, because right now, to me, there's
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no team that's like I think Senatotio is a dope team.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think they have intensity.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think Weinby is a fucking alien and I think, okay,
see it's good. But I think when you when you
put it down and you look at how each of
the teams is playing. When it talks about physicality, I
could say Sanatorio can match the physicality I think they
have that physicality, you know, but I think just the
way that the whole team is jelling together on the Knicks,
(01:24):
I don't think nobody can be I think they really
understand who they are.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I think, okay see is a good team. I think
they got good players.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I just don't think they want to play physical with
the way the Knicks want to play. So when you
put all those factors in, if I'm betting and I'm
just not a Nick fan, I'm betting on the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, my t shirt says Harriet, Rosa, Shirley, but you
can't see down at the bottom of Angela and me. Actually,
to Meka, come on, man, that if Harriet Tubman and
rolls Apart and Shirley, just if they would have been
Knicks fans, at least they would have celebrated because they
(02:06):
didn't seem like they was haters. Yeah, celebrated.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You're gonna celebrate the Knicks because look, just look how
pretty these colors look. Oh my gosh, looks like pretty color.
The colors is just beautiful colors.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'll give you that. But you know what I will
say is that Nick Knicks fans truly carried the next
this season, like all seasons, but this season the level
of positivity was like give and then the fans get,
(02:44):
the community gives, New York gade like everybody just kind
of collided to help them elevate and keep going. And
I watched it as a person. Obviously, I'm a Knicks fan.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I used to have season tickets. So when people say
all the time, they'd be like, oh, you don't know, like, oh,
you're not into sports, And I'm not a sports fanatic
by any means. I am not a sports fanatic. This
is not something that I sit in my house and
I go to watch the next howsoever. I used to
have season tickets to the Knicks, and I went to
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probably I don't know how many games there are, but
if there was fifty, which I know there is, you know,
whatever games here there in the third okay, so say
eighty three games. I went to sixty games, right like.
And the only reason why I didn't go to the
others is because I was out of town. But you
absolutely every night the Knicks, whenever they were playing in
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New York, we went to the games. So I know
a lot about basketball. Obviously. I used to go to
the game and it was we had multiple seats. It
was against the law, not against the rules, against the law.
To sit on your telephone at the game was against
(04:00):
the law. I'm not talking about the rules, the rules
and the law. It could be too totally different things.
It was against the law to sit on your phone.
You have to watch that game, you need to be excited,
you need to be in it. So I know, and
I am absolutely a Knicks fan, and so I watched
how one of the reasons why we gave up the
tickets was because they started losing so bad, coupled with
(04:24):
the fact that the owners of the Knicks. It's particularly
Jim Dolan. He pedals in racism. Some people will say
he is a racist, but I have to be mindful
of what I say because they tell me that now
I'm at a level where when I say certain things,
they can end up in a lawsuit. So he definitely
pedals in racism. And therefore I was kind of like,
(04:48):
who cares, that's it, you know whatever, It's like, get
off the train, stop spending money that is going in,
you know, the air. But I watched this season and
it really started to up from last year because even
last year people were really like trying to trying to
like come lesson, but Okay, it didn't work out. But
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this year, the fans, the support is the people, and
God blessed the Public Advocate of New York City, because
I if there is one, there's two people that I
know in this in this whole city of New York
that are die hard Knicks fans, and it is the
Public Advocate of New York City. Jamani Williams and Mysore Lennon.
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These are two people.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That are in we want the Knicks man the.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Next completely end. So I'm happy for y'all. I'm happy
for all of us. I'm happy for New York and
I'm happy to see there's no incidents at least that
I know of reported where people are violin or whatever.
People are just over the top with how they expressed themselves.
But for the most part, it has been a joyous
occasion for the city, and I think folks need it,
(06:00):
especially since the tolls are so damn high. Folks need something.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
When they get in the city is worth being there
for something?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
They need something. It's funny is on a toll issue
everywhere we go. Either you're calling me to put me
on the phone with somebody or someone else is coming
over to me. This is a real movement, and I
need the legislators. I've I've kind of like laid it out,
I've made it, put a plate forward, and now we
need the legislators to move quickly to help us because
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this I've come to the place where in order for
me to cross over to the next step, I need
the people who have the power of the pen to
push it forward. So today I sent a really really
encouraging I'm not going to say stern because you know
it wasn't actually stern. It was just encouraging, like, hey,
I know everybody's busy, everybody has a lot going on.
(06:52):
Let's just stay focused on this because when you have
food insecurity, housing insecurity, education issues, public safety issues, rats,
I mean, the list goes on, the poles become like,
you know, I'm on it. I'm with you, because it's
(07:13):
because every single legislator that is involved in this situation
that I have talked to has their own story about
it happening to them personally. And oftentimes what we do
is we will look at an issue that we're involved
in and feel like for me to fight on, fight on,
behalf of this or to really get too involved in
(07:34):
this is self servent. Let me focus on these other things,
because you know this is going to seem like it's
all about me and my issue. Man, this shit is
city wide, state wide, nation wide, every single person who
cares about just poverty, because this is this is putting
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city workers. As your friend, your friend just told me
this a couple of days ago. She said city workers
are ready to hit the front line because they are
broke in debt.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
She's a correction officer.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Ye, stay serious, That's what I'm saying. So I put
a very encouraging message to say, I know, I know,
I know that everybody's got a lot going on, but
I need folks to focus because I bought us there.
I know one thing I know how to do is
make an issue. I know how to do that now.
So I did that, and now I need everybody else
to get on board. So the knicks and the toes,
(08:35):
we're gonna do both. And for those who are just
listening and can't see me, I'm sly slide. So listen,
let me let's talk about some stuff because I got
let me tell you, I have a notebook. I have
so many things to talk about. It's too many things
(08:56):
to talk about. Quite frankly, no one wants to hear
my mouth. But I wanted to talk about one thing
in particular. I saw a post. In fact, I'm gonna
ask Dennis please drop the screenshot of this post in
so what it says, for those who can't see it is,
(09:17):
if your flyer is made on chat GPT, I'm not coming.
I'm not coming. If your flyer is made on chat GPT,
I'm not coming. And I looked at that and I
said to myself, I completely understand, because what I noticed
(09:37):
is that graphic designers were in the comments saying, you know,
they were giving their thoughts on it. And there were
other people, some that I actually know, who were affirming
that they agree one hundred percent. They don't want to
go to event an event with a flyer that is
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AI generated. Part one of the reason is because you
can see it. Someone made an AI flyer for something
that I have going on, and you can see a
third leg of mine in the thing, like it's literally
a third knee that's like over to the side, Like
(10:18):
come on, because you know AI doesn't get all the things,
and you got to clean it up, and then once
you tell it to take the extra knee out, it's
gonna change your face. Like it's a whole process. So
I get it that if you are a person who
has a skill set, when you see that, it's like,
this is embarrassing, this is ridiculous. We're just like dumbing
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down good service in the name of using these quick
fixes to things that people, you know, people can do well.
And it is killing people's livelihood because folks who are
used to getting the jobs of making ten fires is
a month or fiveflers a month with which is extra
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income aside from their jobs. They get home, they work
on a flyer, they work on an invitation, they work
on an email blast. They do these things and then
you have you know, you have people you know. Anyway,
it cuts into people's livelihood. This is this is a
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significant problem that AI is creating where people will lose
work because AI will will take over certain things that
they are so used to doing. And so when I
saw the post, it got my attention, and then I
read the comments and I saw the affirmations from a
number of people. Here's my thing, and I just want
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to say this respectfully and with love, and if people
don't take it respectfully, that's fine. Over the course of
the last maybe two years, I have dealt with graphic
designers who have left me hanging. Graphic designers who have
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given me things and then ask me questions like, well,
you tell me how to fix it, like not even
in a you know, give me the words you want
me to say, but they actually want me to come
up with the conceptual, like the design, which is what
I'm asking you to do. I've had people say they're
going to have things done at this time. It's not
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done until later. You have people who have attitudes, they're snippy,
they're sarcastic. You have people who you know, give you stuff.
I remember one time I had somebody who did a
graphic job for me and then I ended up in
trouble with some with a sorority because it was a copy,
a direct copy of that sorority's work. I mean, I
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have gone through it, and this is that was more
than two years ago. But I have gone through the
gamut of awful experiences with a number of graphic designers. Now,
of course I have several who have done let me
not even say several, a few who have been consistently
good in terms of turning in a quality project those
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but timing, attitude, responsiveness, all of that has been a problem.
And when talking to friends, many of the people who
I am close to or people who I work with,
complain about very similar things. Again, this is not applied
to all graphic designers. I have a number of people
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who I have worked with who have been professional, who
have really really done all they can to do a
very very very good job. So let's put that square
and fair. However, there has been a growing unfortunate loss
of professionalists them desire, hunger, and all of the things
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that you need that you want to pay people. I
am not a person that does not want to pay people.
I don't want to be overcharged, but I don't not
want to pay people. And what I realized that as
the professionalism, the hunger, the drive, the energy dies, people
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will start to pick up other avenues that they can
use that are more efficient, cost effective. And the bottom
line is that the average person would love a lit flyer,
but what is more important to them is that the time, address, location,
and the general feel is ready in time for them
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to be able to push it out and do the
things they need to do the changes that they may need,
the edits or whatever. They don't want to deal with attitude,
a person not responding, people telling them it's going to
take three four days or three days or whatever. They
don't want to deal with that. And so what they
are now turning to is the use of AI as
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a tool to help them move quicker to get things done. Now,
I know that that's problematic because people who need the
extra income, people who have good skills, they want to
be able to maintain.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well what then why don't they do the job?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Then? Like if you're saying people have the skills and
the reason why I didn't mean to cut you off.
But the reason why people are doing this is because
they experience with the people who are supposed to be
the professionals that provide the service, they aren't providing in
an efficient manner, you know what I'm saying. So when
you say, oh, you know it's a problem, No, it's
problematic that we have to do that, because it's problematic
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that we have to say to ourselves. You know what,
I don't want to argue with this person about this.
I don't want to I need I can't wait four
days for you to get back a edit to me.
I can't wait three days for you to respond to
a text message or email about a change that I need.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't need you to have meet youoose all of
the stuff. I can go and chat GBT and say hey,
look I need something that looks like this and that,
and I could take the best product and I don't
got to deal with all that. So if these people
really want their jobs and they require the money, and
they need the money, then you would say, why don't
you be more efficient in your job. I can't say
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that you want the money or they need the money
if you haven't made a decision that you're going to
be efficient at the job.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, I think what I meant when I said that
is that what it does do is people who are
actually good at their jobs, who do have like you know,
like I said, I have a number of people that
I work with who they try to really accommodate my stuff. Sometimes.
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You know, we started in the morning on a project,
but by evening things changed. And there was a time
when the graphic designers that I worked with, they were hustlers,
They was hungry, they was fan it. They would you'll
remember the old flyers and the and and and it's
not just that I wanted to make sure that we
make this clear, because it's not just the old flyers
and the old whatever. I remember a time when the
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program book for the organization that I used to work for.
That program book a big program book with ads for advertisers.
It was, you know, the actual program letters from the governor.
This one that when placement things was getting shifted all
the time, and these people would be on it, on
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it all it, you know, Okay, okay, let me work
on it with you on the phone. Let me figure
out where can I put this, how can I move
this around? This is the attitude that they had, and
I get that there's a level of up, like, you know,
more professionalism. Maybe you got more projects, and maybe this
is not the job for you. But the best thing
to do is to tell people no, I cannot do it.
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What happens is people tell you they can. They irritated
with you because you expect a certain level of responsiveness.
For the most part, when someone asks you to do
graphics for them, or they ask you to put something
together that is their presentation to the world. They are
they have a deadline or a timeline in their heads
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now whether or not they actually do it at the time,
and that's not important the job. I'm just saying. And
by the way, people can tell me that I'm completely wrong,
that they don't agree with me, that they can do
it however they want, because in many people's minds, the
fact that they have the talent has making them the
prize in their mind. And you don't have to listen
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to me. I'm just trying to be your handy dandy friend.
That's letting you know what will Talent is not enough.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Talent is hard work. Be talent with talent, don't work.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Hard is talent is not enough? Talent and telling me
oh it's better is this? Is that? And the third
it is not enough. Most people don't even know about
the level of quality that they could go to. They
good with the nice basic quality that they've had, as
long as they have a nice person who has a
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positive attitude, who also is responsive, and who does not
try to overcharge them to the point where they just
can't handle it. Now, we gonna negotiate two ten dollars
one hundred dollars. But Pete, there are some people who
are coming to you telling you they need three thousand
dollars in order to take pictures at an event like
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stop it now. I'm not saying people are doing that
to me, but these are the horror stories because I
watch on the internet. My algorithm pushes me this type
of stuff and I get to see it. And I'm
just saying, and.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I'll I'm gonna use my phone.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm just saying, I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Gonna take pictures to selfies. I'm gonna get somebody take
the pictures with they phone.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Good photographer, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
We got some photographers.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, But I understanding for you for you to charge
me three thousand dollars two dozen. I just I'm just
I'm just not of the reality of that. I need
pictures that path. I don't need whatever quality like. I
just need to be able to say, oh that's me.
I don't need it to have the best pixelation.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You want it good.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I don't really care though, I'm telling you my phone
listen to me, the Galaxy takes excellent pictures, the best
pictures for you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
To me that I'm making is that you we need
the services. We want the services, but if the services
come with too much of a hassle, too much stress,
and or just.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Just too expensive.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Palism is too expensive. It's all those things. Then don't
worry about it, because guess what, it's a young cat
or a young person, younger person who is hungry. I
think just and I don't want to call you was
names because I don't want to forget a good photographer
we've worked with, or a good graphic artist or whatever.
But I'm just thinking one person's name I know I
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can call, and that's Kai Kaiwan, who works with us
on videos. He did your birthday video. He did my
real for my personal mind, did your real. He did
cheese birthday video. He is professional, quick and kind and
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I'm telling you that the kindness of it all is
gonna get you real important to me. He made the changes,
he took the time, he blocked it out. He has
other projects, but he said, okay, if I'm gonna take
this on, I could do it between here to here.
He gave me such a strict schedule for what he
could do that I knew if I fall within. He said,
it has to all the material needs be in by
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this day. The changes we all we're gonna work on
it on Tuesday Wednesday, we sending it to the venue
to make sure that it's good. He was able to
do that, and therefore, or if my job is to
pay him one time, my job is to not try
to undercut him, and my job is to respect his
work product. And I'm just saying that I feel that
a lot of people are gonna find themselves without opportunities
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once people begin to spot figure out that they can
actually do a lot of this stuff themselves. Because I
can tell you right now, my parents and other people
that I know, they don't give a shit about whether
or not it came off of AI. What they care
about is do it have the time, the date, the place,
the price of the ticket or whatever it is. And
(22:39):
a a an overall vibe is the baby picture on
it is? That? That's it. That's it. So you might
say you're not going to the event if the fly
is done on AI, but shortly sure event is gonna
go on and you just ain't gonna be there, sure,
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all right. So that brings me to my thought of
the day. So, you know, thinking the other day, a
friend who does the same type of work that we
do every day, social justice work. And this particular friend
called me. They're gonna know exactly that I'm talking about
(23:20):
them when they see it. But the friend calls me
pissed off because said celebrity told them I cannot be
seen with you doing X y Z thing because you
know it's going to create problems with me, for my
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sponsors and my you know, various people in my life,
my agent, whatever, I can't be seen with you. And
the next way not saying we can't be cool, but
I can't be like with you, hanging and all of that,
and I'm sorry, and the person was very apologetic that
(24:01):
this is not It's just that I'm working on something.
It's big, and I unfortunately am not in a space
right now where I can hurt this deal or mess
up what I have going on, because you know, you
and I are frat nozzing. That's not the exact words
(24:22):
I'm super paraphrasing, but this was their experience, and they
would fissed off, and they showed me. They sent me
a picture of that person with another individual who has
been considered to be racist and sexist and a whole
list of other things. Now, the friend of mine asked back, Okay,
(24:52):
what is it about me that your agent and your
people with pr people on us, what are they concerned
about it as well? You know there's articles online that
you know, have you as anti semitic, has you as
this is a man, and they were saying, you know,
have you as homophobic and some other things, And so
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it's just not a good look for me. For meanwhile,
this other individual that they're prancing around town with is
a person who has been called all kinds of things
by your people, by the way, your people, people who
look like us, And so it made me sit and
really think about I was just thinking for a while
(25:38):
before going to sleep, what is it about white folks that,
no matter what they've done, or how terrible they may be,
or what labels have been attached to them based upon
their actions, that we can be seen with them, That
celebrities can be seen with those individuals. But when it
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comes to folks who are doing liberation work or people
who are calling out the system, then all of a sudden,
it's like I can't be seen with you, but I
could do this over here. I really was sitting with
this thought that we live in a world where white
man can be anything anything, and we will say I
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can I can you know, I can still be safe
and be around this person. But when it comes to
our own people, if you've been labeled somehow, or if
you you know, you talk too much, or you challenge
the system too much, you become a third rail and
(26:51):
I have to stay away from you. And I'm trying
to figure out from the celebrity class, even my own
friends that are celebrities, who are making these decisions for you?
And how are you deciding who is acceptable and who's not?
(27:11):
And why is it that it seems that those who
are not acceptable always look like and are one type
of group of people, and those who are acceptable, regardless
of what they've been canceled for, regardless of what people
may think of them, they are always folks that are
generally rich, white folks. What and what I try to
(27:36):
ask myself even deeper, is where are the artists in
our world, like the Harry Belafonts, like the Sydney Portieres,
like listen. Don't get me started, because the list is
so long of celebrities, even some few today who don't
(27:59):
give a damn that I'm not saying I'm not going
to be seen with that powerful person. But at the
same time, I'm going to also stand with and be
with my people, regardless of how it may threaten you
and your white power frame.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think that's a very good question, and I think
the issue is that it's okay to be anti black.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's the trend, especially in this era. Right now, it's
okay to be anti black. There was about five or
six years ago there were people who wanted to be
Black Lives Matter. They wanted to be next to Tamika Mallory.
They wanted to give an Old Awards, they wanted to
standing for George Floyd. Every corporation said they was going
(28:52):
to donate to black causes because being black was cool.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It was cool to be a revolutionary. It's cool to
have a up it was. They put BLM on Washington
d C.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It was cool.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Everybody wanted to make sure that they have proximity to you.
They wanted to make sure that they were seen supporting you.
They were vocal about it. Right, that was the time.
In this time, it is not okay to be someone
who speaks about blackness, right. They want you to They
want you to forget that racism exists. They want you
to forget that we're dealing with a fascist, racist government
(29:29):
that is actively trying to erase every all black power
and black evolution that we have created in the last
seven to eight years. They want that's not cool, no
more so what's happening is it is okay for you,
as a black person to us to make sure that
(29:50):
you have friends with anti black people. Right, It's okay
for you as a black person to be with white
people that can say the motion the worship in the world. Look,
Charlie Kirk, they want. They made Charlie kirkinto your holiday.
Right if you say, if you say anti black shit,
you are celebrated. Right, So we even when we look
at this whole thing with the Kevin Hart Rose, it's okay.
(30:12):
Kevin Hart can get on the Breakfast Club and tell
you that, you know, everybody can say that his cliff
is racist. I don't think he's racist. Does he push
the line?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yet?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's okay, Like because you can you can insult black people, right,
and other black people can say it's okay. They can
give you the reason and why it makes sense to them,
because that's the society that we we we we we
as black people have made people comfortable with disrespect for
us because there is no real consequences. I remember not
(30:46):
bringing up, but I remember a person that I was
very cool with telling me that, and I was like,
I don't understand why you comfortable with disrespecting this. If
if it was a if it was a Jewish person
or someone from that persuasion and you disrespected them, you
would apologize. And people have had to apologize when they
(31:07):
said something that harmed that community, as they should. So
why don't you think that you should have to apologize
for harming the black community? And the person looked me
there in the faces of because it doesn't affect my
bottom line?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Right, me?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Me, me not apologizing, I don't I could just completely
ignore being anti black. I could say some anti blacks
and it's not going to affect my bottom line.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And until black people say you.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Disrespecting us, you hanging around people who disrespect us, you
hanging with the most racist people, we won't support you.
We're gonna see the same thing because they understand that
these other communities are going to support people that they
deem on anti them, and we don't care. We make
excuses for people that there's no way that you make
an excuse for Tony Henshcliff, this is one of the
(31:57):
most racist people. When you look at Chelsea Handlers. She
literally said it strated this man is racist, he's misogynists,
He's one of the worst people in the world. And
people know that. You know what, see I'm saying. But
we have black people that say, well, I don't think
he's racist. You know, I think I think he just
pushes the envelope and I think he wants to get
(32:19):
shock value.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
But I don't think he's You know why, because they.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Have proximity to whiteness, they have proximity success, and they've
they've owned the racism right because it's just it's cool,
like racism is just like a joke.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
And advantage too makes.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The easier for them to deal with being disrespected right
in their face.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's like when you look at the Wesley Hunts and
you look at Byron Donald's and you listen to Tim
Scott and they tell you that America is not race
because they have been in proximity to racist white so
long and they've still been able to excel, so in
their mind, it's not really that bad. Here they said
a couple of things and they're trying to be funny.
But they're not really racist. They don't really, you know,
(33:01):
even though they say these things about me, and they
say things with my.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
People less I don't have to end. It is house
necro be hit.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
It is when you're in the house and you are
great by the master. As an enslaved person, you believe
that the great thing of the ones in the field
is worse. That's it. That's it. It's not that serious.
He loves me, Massa loves me, Miss ma'am. She loves me.
(33:41):
She yet has had that.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You don't want to discipline me? She had to beat
me like that?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Because I did bad?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Listen, let me tell you something. What's his name, Hincliff?
I don't know his name, and I'm gonna say you what.
I won't even give I will not even give him
the respect of going to try to figure out his name.
Him the guy the comedian who was who gave the
very very racist prost at Kevin Hart's even he also
(34:13):
at a Trump rally. Because let's let's let me tell
you what the problem is too. And it pisses me
off all the time, but I want to I feel
like I need to be in places and spaces where
I can ask questions and say things to people and
(34:35):
challenge them in real time on their bullshit. Right, I
want to be there. I wish that the Breakfast Club
had invited somebody, need you, anybody to come up there
and go back and forth toe to told with Kevin Hart,
because this man is not somebody who just woke up
(35:02):
and came to do a joke. He has a history
of saying very racist things. And as we said on
our show last week, there is an absolute obsession with
bringing up George Floyd, because there is an obsession with
trying to dismantle and and and and unravel the idea
(35:24):
that George Floyd deserves an international crime, that the world
should have stood up for a darker skinned black man
who had a track record in history that wasn't great,
who may or may not have used drugs, who.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Wasn't light skin and looking like somebody who who who
should have some type of particular respectability from America.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, that's a that's the problem. And they don't like
that the world stood up for George Floyd, and they
further cannot stand the idea that George Floyd has become
with all the things. They tell you, Oh, he did this,
he beat his baby mother, he was on drugs, he
did this, he wasn't good. They tell you all of that,
(36:17):
and largely the entire world, not just black people, but
people all around the world tell you, I don't give
a damn about anything that he did. Now they had
arrested him and locked him up and threw him and
threw away the key over those things, and did it
fine if he would have made it to prison over
that good this day? Okay, May what twenty fifth of
(36:43):
twenty twenty. He did not deserve to be murdered in
the way in which he was. And they cannot stand
the idea that we have made him a red line
in our community. That's the problem. But this man has
He did not just start there. And what is disrespectful
as shit to black people. But it is us. It
(37:04):
is because of us that it happens that I don't
blame this one nobody else. I blame it on us
as black people, because guess what, that man went to
the Trump rally again. He has a history. He's a
trump st He's not just a Republican, because I know Republicans,
some of them are my good friends. Some of them
(37:26):
say they Democrats, and we know they Republicans. We know, right,
we talk about it all the time. Some of our
good friends, Yeah, good friends are Republicans and they would
not be seen in the same room with Trump. And
this is some of them. Some of them white men,
the white boys. They don't like Trump either. They don't
(37:46):
respect him. They don't go chasing him around. They stay
they don't say much against him, but they stay quiet
and they really don't like him. You've got a group
of white people that's out there fighting against Trump that
are that actually have Republican values also, so there's a
bunch of people who are Republican. But we talk about Maga.
(38:07):
We talked about people who ran to the rally to
be with Trump and that man, that comedian got up
on a rally in whatever year that was, I think
it was the Madison Square Garden rally when they was
racist as all outdoors it was KKK, it was a
klansmen rally. They set it all, did it all everything
(38:27):
they wanted to do. And outside was doctors, lawyers, teachers,
people who provide your food, your services, They take care
of your children, They run the schools everything. They was
out there rallying outside of Madison Square Garden at that
Trump rally, and that man stood up there and called
Puerto Rico an island of garbage. He said Puerto Rico
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was an island of garbage, and every new station in
America picked it up. They dragged it down the block
for days and days and days. They said it was disrespectful.
They said it was overboard because he was being a
comedian at the time when he said it. They said
it was disrespectful, it was overboard, it was nasty, it
(39:12):
was racist, it was violent. I'm talking about white media
outlets said this just like you say, you know, to ask, at.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
What point when does your own moral compass say this
is just not okay with me. I don't give a
if you call you yourself a comedian an actor. When
did you just say to yourself like, this is not okay.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Thanks, son, You're going around my point. I'm telling you
that when they said when he said island of garbage
about the Puerto Ricans, every news station in America Republicans.
(39:53):
But when people have the nerve to say this ain't right,
we feel uncomfortable. It's disrespectful to us. We are told
quiet down, it's too much, it's a joke. And then
a black man, a black man who has power and influence,
(40:17):
is unable. In fact, it's not that Kevin Hard is
unable to read the room. He has read the room,
and he is so disrespectful to us as a people
because in his mind, either we gonna still support him,
it ain't gonna affect his bottom line, or he's crossed
over so much into the white world that he does
(40:40):
not need to hear his people.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I think, you know, I believe you, but I think
I'm starting to believe that they can't hear well. I'm
starting I'm starting to believe that when they gets to
a certain place that they normalize it to the point
where they become death to the reality of our people,
because they're in a room to where they so tone
(41:03):
death and this is just the normality for them. So
they looking at us like we're crazy, because they're like,
these are not racist people. These are the friends that
I go, I go have lunch with them. They cool
with me, they invite me over, they're friends with me.
They call me on the phone. These are not racists.
And they think because they have this friendship and all
this charaderie because they have access to wealth that it
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eliminates racist from being racist.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
They don't. They don't.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'm telling you I believe because I'm starting to say
to myself, I don't think these are bad people. I
don't think they just want to be you know, checking it.
I think that they adopt like I think it's a
form of Stockholm syndrome that they actually gravitate to that
they don't even know because they sound so convinced that
these people are just not bad people and it's not racist,
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and me bugging.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Out my son, you're being kind.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
I have to because I can't believe.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
You know, I'm kind. You get on me because you say, oh,
come on, you're gonna sit there and listen to that
bullshit this, and that you're being kind. There was one
thing that Kevin Hard did that let me know he knows,
(42:19):
he understands, and he doesn't give a fuck. And I'm
gonna tell you what it was. When Laura La Rosa
said to him, did you watch the interview that I
did with George Floyd's brother talking about Terrence Floyd? And
he said, no, I ain't watch. It's not disrespect to you,
(42:40):
but I didn't watch, and then he went on for
a whole minute without allowing her to finish her point.
I never watched. I'm not gonna watch. I'm just letting
you know. I won't watch. I won't watch. I will
never watch. I'll never see it, I'll never watch. You
are man who will sit there because I'm gonna tell
you right now what I know. And I know this,
(43:01):
I know this with everything that I love. If the
Jewish community in large said that they did not appreciate
the way in which Kevin Hard said XYZ, and therefore
a family member was speaking on an interview about the issue,
(43:24):
I can promise you for everything that I know in
my heart, he would not sit there and say I've
ever watched it, i won't watch it, and I'm not
going to watch it, and I'm not gonna you know what,
and you know what, He would be wrong to do
it to them too, because he because he should listen,
watch and at least take in the family member of
(43:45):
a Holocaust survivor or an October seventh survivor. These are
people who experience horrific, horrific things at different periods, whatever
the cause they have been it could be just a
killing that took place at a kynagogue. If Charlie Kirk's family.
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Erica Kirk said, I've heard the comments. They harm me.
And then he was on the show and the person said,
did you watch the interview with Erica Kirk's children speaking
about how it was for them to see a video
with a bullet flying through their father's neck. I promise
(44:34):
you that he would not sit there and say I
don't know, I can't and I'm not and this, and
that you can do it to us because we allow it.
The only way it stops is when we say, don't
worried about alcohol. Let me tell you the bet the
thing that God rest his soul. Jesse Jackson, Oh, Jesse Jackson,
(44:54):
he said, one thing that's so powerful. Don't argue, just
shit off. If them people are more important to you,
go to them. Let them continue to fuel your career.
We don't have to we don't have to watch, we
don't have to listen, we don't have to support. And
(45:17):
that's the only way to be able to deal with it.
People will say, oh, you calling for a boycott to
Kevin Hart. No, you know why I'm not calling for
Boycotta Kevil Hart, because most people ain't gonna listen when
it's good and funny here and it's good entertainment, there's
a whole bunch of people that are gonna run over there.
So I'm not calling for a boycott to anybody. Me personally,
(45:38):
I won't be supporting it. But I know that me
by myself and a few people is not enough to
make him feel it. So no, I'm not calling for that.
I'm just saying this not for Kevin Hart. I'm saying
this for black people. It is. You don't have to
argue with these folks, not even for one minute. We
don't even have to get mad. Matter of fact, we
cannot say anything. All we gotta do is just withdraw
(46:04):
one point four trillion dollars of our spending. We can
just withdraw it and that's it. It's a simple solution.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I don't. I don't have any desire.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's like Nicki minaj I told folk that night when
I was sitting in my hotel room by my little self.
Way at the very beginning when they started. These people
are so good at what they do. They started out
(46:38):
with an issue that they knew would strike the nerve
of people locally in Nigeria, Nigerians right, people who are desperate.
What the fuck have they done for the Nigerians since then?
Did Nicki Minaj get on a plane and go over
(46:58):
to Nigeria? Did she go over there? Did Trump? Did
they go? Did she go? She went to Elon musk
thing right to go see the spaceships or whatever the
hell they're building over there, to to pollute our communities
and grape and rob us. She went over there. She
(47:18):
went to sit with Erica Kirk, She went to Trump's events,
she's right around. Did she go to Nigeria where the
people are that she's so concerned about? Did she do
a fundraiser form? I'm just asking you.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I can't. I cannot confirm, nor do not.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
No, it's not. If she did it us, every blog
in America would have picked it up and said she's
following up. But they started with that bullshit because that
was the easiest way to draw the people in. So
perhaps I missed it. Perhaps I miss but I said,
from that moment, I said, I see where this is going.
(48:06):
The sister's being used. Maybe she don't know, maybe she does,
But I'm telling you this is going in a bad direction.
People lost it young man that I knew, nice young
man that I you know, really had a good relationship
with it. He went the fuck praising on me, start
sending me all kind of crazy ass wild dms. Oh
you ain't shit the fu I mean, he lost his
(48:29):
shit on me, lost his mind that she said she
ain't with Trump. It ain't about choosing side. It's about
the people, not Jim. That's what they said. Ain't been
no nothing, not a thing about Nigeria mentioned since then.
(48:50):
And guess what else she all the way back? Like
I said, So what I'm just making a point here
today is that Kevin Hart's statements are worse on the
Breakfast Club than it was. He could have said nothing
and done that job.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I concur one hundred and he was let off saying
nothing because you just you just had to figure out
what he thought or maybe feel like you know, I
don't want to say anything. Look, but the fact that
you come out and justify and double down and disrespect
still disrespect the family, like you said, it's just like
it's sad because you don't you know, I remember the
(49:33):
minister say that I want to be with my people.
You don't think I want to hang out with you,
don't think it hurts me that I gotta always be
the eyeball. But I don't want to be at odds
with black people all the time. I don't want to
have to like I love Kevin Hart, like I would
like watching this joke, watch his movies. But somebody gotta
tell you this is bullshit. Do you think I want
(49:54):
to be the person all he goes. I don't want
to do that shit, bro. I want to be able
to go and have a good and being spaces and
not say yo, I don't.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Called you out on bullshit. I gave you.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I gave the first time I gave you yo. Look,
maybe you don't understand, maybe you maybe you just trying
to figure it out. And then you come out and
double down, Like at what point, I wouldn't even be me.
I wouldn't be a man if I didn't speak truth
to power. And it hurts that we have to always
call our people. I do not want to do this
shit all the time.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I don't I don't get I don't get no fun
out of it. It's none like you. I want to
be an enjoy the next I want to be like, Yo,
the Knicks is winning. I don't want to have to
talk about some racist shit. Will you disrespect the family
of somebody that we are family with. We literally is
on the front line for George Floyd taking pepper spray
in the odds in the courtroom, and it's funeral like this.
(50:48):
These are people that we literally shared space with and
grieved with them and watch them actually receive justice, you know,
and and hugged each other while tears was coming on
people's eyes, like this is personal for me. So for
me not to speak up and say something about it,
I wouldn't even be who I am. But it hurts
that we always have to do this to our people.
(51:11):
I do not want to be at odds with black people,
but I have to make black people understand that when
you do things that jeopardize us as a people, we
have no choice but to speak up. And that's just
that's just the reality with what it is. And I'm
not gonna go along to get along. I'm not gonna unfortunately,
I'm not a person that's gonna laugh and it ain't
(51:32):
gonna funny. It ain't funny, and I'm not gonna dance
when it ain't no music.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Well that's it. I don't have anything else to say.
I have plenty that I could say, but you know,
you know, the fight for our voting rights.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, all of these things tie into it.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
They do. But there are cultural people who like you
keep your cultural person, you know, you're in the culture music, art, entertainment.
And then there are other people that I feel like
are also in that space who are really handling it.
(52:19):
You know, it's really I mean, y'all are saying the
things and and and and framing it in a way
that helps a person who might be confused as to
why this even matters, helping people to understand. And so
I don't feel obligated as much to have to be
in this space because over here they're gutting to voter
rights that you know, it's just completely voting rights ack.
(52:45):
And the midterm elections are coming, so I'm going to
focus my attention more so over there. But I did
think it was important call the stade the spade because
it's just it's too far. It's really just too far.
So anyway, what you don't get today from I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
You know, I've been noticing online there's just a clear
amplification of men, and particularly black men, just disrespecting themselves
for any level of notoriety, money or anything like it.
It's become a new thing, you know, and and it's amplified,
(53:25):
and it's actually disturbing to me, right because there was
a time when we were celebrated for being stand up
individual We were celebrated for being men of honor integrity,
you know, for being sharp, for being smart, for being intelligent,
for being coherent. And now we're pushing the the image
(53:51):
of the worst kind of black men, like black men
who are drunk or high or just delusion new like
we're pushing him to the front. And this whole streaming
era has is amplifying so many people, like you know,
like Adrian Brona was one of my favorite boxers, Like
(54:12):
I used to love watching Adrian Brona box dope boxer,
Like he was one of the best boxes.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
And you know, his life started taking a turn.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
You know, you realize he was into alcohol, He's got alcohol,
he was dealing with depresson whatever he was dealing with,
and there's this this re emergency Adrian Brona, that's not
even who the person that I even know, but they're
celebrating it so much. He's drunk all the time. He
doesn't even look clean. Most of the time, he's not coherent.
(54:45):
He's saying, that's that. Amuse it, But we are amused
at his dysfunction. We had amused at his demise. The
man is drunk every day. He's literally killing hisself drinking
fucking straight liquor to the dude to set there and say, Yo,
you shouldn't be drinking that like that, and he said,
I'm gonna do it again tomorrow. And and this this,
(55:07):
These are the biggest things, the biggest streams. You know.
We watched ray J, who is literally going through a
mental breakdown. He's out there boxing when he knows he
should not be in no ring with nobody. But it's
being amplified and pushed. It's being amplified. And these people
are actually making money to actually diminish their value as men.
(55:28):
And I don't understand when that shit became a trend.
I don't understand when why isn't why aren't people saying
and I understand people want to make money, you know,
but why aren't people say, yo, we're gonna take Adrian
Vruna Because we love him.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
This is a champion. It's a black man who experienced
a level of prestige in boxing that is unheard of
for the division champion. Like people don't do that.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
But we're literally watching this man deteriorate in front of
our eyes. We're watching him diminish his value you as
a man. Fuck with how much money he's making, but
he's diminishing his value as a man. And he's actually
literally killing himself, drinking hisself to death, and they're paying
him to do it. People are paying ray J to
(56:14):
go on platform and this is my I love ray
J as I would do because they're paying ray J
to crash out and say and do the most. He's
literally saying that he don't even know how long you're
gonna live, and they're paying him to get in the
ring with people and diminish yourself. Like we highlighted some
of the people that get on here say the most
(56:36):
disrespectful shit. People don't even have fucking common sense. And
these are the people that we are having to represent
us as a people in a culture. I don't get that.
I'm never gonna get it. There's never enough money that
you can pay me that I would devalue and disrespect
(56:56):
my mother and my father, because when you go out
there and you show that level of disrespect and the
value for yourself, you're disrespecting the people who need you.
It's nothing that you can pay me to do that.
I don't know when men got comfortable being paid to
devalue themselves, and I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
I just don't understand that. It shit is. So it
hurts because I'm watching.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Ab and you laugh, and when you after you finished laughing,
he's like, then this man is literally killing hisself, like
he's literally dying. He's devaluing hisself. He doesn't look healthy,
his skin looks terrible, he's fat, he's out of shape,
he's drunk all the time. He's spitting on people. But
it's amusing to people. You know, ray J knocked out
(57:45):
in the ring, he's looking all fat, like it's just like, yo,
where are the people's friends?
Speaker 3 (57:51):
Where are the.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
People that Baddy's culture is very similar to that you
know for us as women, But it's started with the housewives.
It all starts to trend downwards, right, it's love and
hip hop, housewives, basketball wise, all of that. If it
(58:11):
was possible, because I know because you know what, I
got several friends on all the shows if it was
possible to be on these shows and act like they
do in their normal lives, because in their normal lives,
like I know Anny, right, And I'm not saying that
(58:33):
in her normal life she might not have some drama,
because we all have some drama. But she does not
wake up on ten acting like the way that she
is on that show as.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
They take the clips from that situation. But I'm not
even what I'm saying to you.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
What I'm saying to you is there's a market, like
you said for that, because I know Jennifer. Jennifer Williams
does not get in fights with any ever. There's no problem.
Most people who are around her, they love her, They
treat she's good. Even if she has, as you know,
an uncomfortable situation with a friend, it does not turn
(59:12):
into the point where people are walking over tables where
she's fighting. I mean, that is so outside of anything
we know about Jennifer. I also know Yandem and DC's
all the things that they are going through. They do
not bring that personal business does not even leave their house. Now,
I'm not saying who's doing what and why it is
(59:35):
what I'm saying. They their shit is within the family
members that are extremely close knit, and DC's does not,
under any circumstances talk around everywhere about the issues that
he may be having in his family and his personal life.
None of that. You know that, And I could go
(59:56):
on and on, But what has happened over time is
that to your point, like you said, when I said,
I'm going to go back and I'm going to focus
on voting rights and things of that nature and let
the cultural people, the people who are in the culture,
focus on how to address the Kevin Hart whatever the
(01:00:17):
guy's name is situation. You said, it all ties together.
And the thing is you have to ask yourself who
runs these companies and what do they benefit from keeping
us fighting and acting ignorant. They literally have been planning
Project twenty twenty five before it was mentioned, before there
(01:00:38):
was a name to it, and at a time long
time ago. Probably it never stopped. It probably began the
day that we obtained freedom with quotes. It probably began
at that moment that we have to start working on
something that dismantles this stuff. So they need a chaotic
(01:01:02):
system that helps to destabilize us mentally, physically, emotionally, and
the television becomes a part of it. Wherever they see
a spike in our interests, it becomes polluted and toxic
for our communities, church, the internet, TV shows education, they
(01:01:31):
find a way to insert, like a needle toxicity and
they use us to do it. So that's where it
came from. When you say it's profitable because there's a budget,
there's a hotline item. I know people who have shows
that they have sold to networks books. In fact, there
(01:01:52):
are people who are working on something very specific for me,
and they've said, we got to raise our own money
because if we use the money of XYZ companies, they're
gonna want to change it and perform it a little bit.
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Well, I know, it's just disheartening and just watching right,
there was there was a time when you would watch
TV and there was an amplification of men who were
well rounded, were groomed, you worked out, you had a class,
You have respect, you know what I'm saying, You have honor,
you have some level of decency. And now that's just
(01:02:33):
not what you see. You just don't see that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
You just even if it didn't have honor one hundred percent.
It was not the thing that they led with, right,
Like the world didn't lead with the dishonor and that
made for it because you're not gonna tell me that.
Michelle and Barack Obama, which we now know right because
she has done a great job of keeping it one
(01:02:58):
hundred percent real. Shit wasn't always good. I didn't even
like him. Sometimes we have some serious arguments conversations, and
guess what her husband is snipping her butt. He loves her, Okay,
he's like baby, tell him whatever, because he understands that
there's only generationally black women have a responsibility to pass
(01:03:19):
down information, right, that is what we've always done. So
when people get mad, like why is she telling all
of this? She needs to keep that stuff to herself.
Michelle Obama actually has a responsibility to educate the rest
of us on what it looks like to be in
(01:03:39):
a relationship with a man who you always bring this up.
What's the movie that you bring up all the time?
Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Pursuit of happiness?
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Okay, pursuit of happiness, bring it up all the time.
Barack Obama's pursuit of happiness. I'm not saying he was
that dirt broke, but he worked for her and she
believed in him so much, so so much of an investment,
so much sacrifice, so much all the things that he
(01:04:09):
became the president of the United States two times. You
think she liked him all the time, and that there
wasn't moments where they went to the event and he
was kicking in over there with Sally May a little
bit too much. Just love that too much, like doing
anything terrible. But just let me take you over here
(01:04:32):
when we get back to this house and tell you, motherfucker,
don't play with me, because I will pull my motherfucker
switch blade from Chicago out on you. And Sally made
at the motherfucking next function, play with me and see
how this workout for you. And you know what he said,
I'm not gonna test hun because this lady right here
(01:04:55):
might actually now she might not tell you all that,
but we as black people, we know and now and
then you got to tell your man, I will get
the motherfucker sweahblade on you, especially an attractive man. We
everywhere you go, freebody, everybody is like, oh my god,
but you could be a stink, fat, stink, funky trump
(01:05:17):
looking Last Jamni Williams said, shit stain, iron hit stain
looking man, and the bitches is gonna be mmmmm. Okay,
so you already know that Barack Obama if you think
he walked in a room and everybody says, oh my god,
(01:05:37):
we can't just don't say anything, and then he was
just like, oh my god, that is a lie. So
everybody has drama, everybody has issues, everybody has problems. But
the world has now decided that it's going to need
with those things as a way to attract folks in.
And it's just a dangerous proposition. So that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Well, I guess you're right, man. There's always gonna be
something I don't understand. But you know, I just hope
that black men, especially black men, get back to a
place where we want to be viewed in a in
our higher selves right where we don't we don't take money,
we don't take anything to degrade ourselves. That's that's just
(01:06:21):
my wish.
Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Don't take money. Some people do it for free, but okay,
have a good.
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Well. That brings us to the end of another episode
of TMI. I appreciate you to me, you appreciates you.
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(01:06:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
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