TMI: When Black Journalist are Under Attack with Guest Monique Pressley

The Black Effect Presents... TMI!

This week on TMI, Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne have an in-depth discussion on the pressing issues facing our communities and the nation. In this episode, they address the state-sanctioned violence, political persecution of journalists, and the hypocrisy in law enforcement and media coverage. Special guest Monique Pressley, a renowned legal expert, shares her insights on the legal battles and the implications for civil rights. From analyzing historical parallels to exploring personal impacts, this episode delves into the complexities of activism, justice, and the fight for equity. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it's your boy my son in general, we
are your host of t M I.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Inspiration, New Name, New Energy, what's good? My song learning?
How you doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I am black blessed and Holly favored today, Tamika D. Mallory.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I guess I'm black blessed Holly Favorite, but.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Sure said, look black love, he.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Blacks right, that's right, But that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
But anyway, my hands have been in the air like
this for months, but definitely for the last few days.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
This is what I do. All that, I just go,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, you gotta take some deep breaths because it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
I mean, it's a lot, and we knew it would
be this way, you know. I was talking to a
person who runs one of one of the larger blogs
and they said to me, it's worse than I thought.

(01:09):
And this is a person who knew how bad it
was gonna be and was calling us saying.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
What are we gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
How can we you know, slow this thing downstop it?
Like they were already in co read this is bad.
And they said to me, this worse than I thought,
and I said, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's not worse than you thought.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
You knew.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
That's why you was calling and doing chats and trying
to pull people together to have conversations. It's just watching
it all happen is deeply like you feel deep grief.
Because there was a way to get in front of it.

(01:51):
It was a way to get in front of it.
It does not mean that things would have been perfect,
or that people who live on one thirty fifth Street
and eighth Avenue, or the South side of Chicago or
whatever community in Saint Louis and North Carolina, and places

(02:13):
where folks had been distressed for generations upon generations upon
generations of generations of family members who have grown up
fighting the system, dealing with oppression, being shut out of systems,
being mistreated in the workplace.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean, having inadequate.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Health care, having poor education, having housing insecurity, food insecurity.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
These things have been happening.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
So I recognize that. And now the woman who lived
in the house or the community, who had the good job.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
That was able to donate to the thing and help
with the cake.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Sales and whatever the underground economy moving, she has also
lost her employment, her contracts, her ability to do mental
health support, youth programs. The Brothers who had money for,
you know, an addiction prevention program or Biden's prevention program

(03:21):
no longer had that. So on top of the fact
that there were all these socioeconomic conditions that had existed
for too long, now we have a structural thing that
is designed to remove whatever little bit of protections and
resources that we have from our community. And it's all

(03:42):
happening at the same time, and it's very distressing, and
so all day long, I just do this.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's my that's my.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Only different because it's just it's a lot and so
I think, you know, yes, black blessed and highly favored, but.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Experience and a lot.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Do you remember in twenty eighteen when we marched through
a monsoon for Blonso Castile and it we marched on
the NRA and this was during the Parkland shooting. After
Parkland shooting took place, we decided that the Women's March

(04:20):
was going to organize a march that was from Parkland
to Filando Castile. We went from the NRA headquarters and
walked literally from Virginia to DC to the Department of Justice.
In the middle of monsoon floods and rain to bring

(04:44):
awareness to how these things connect, that people can turn
out by the millions to support students in a school
which was real needs to happen, and act like Orlando
Castill was nothing. And we and the and the n
our raised response to our call for them to be

(05:08):
more responsible in the moment and to speak out against
the killing of Filando Castill was for them to put
an advertisement because we were saying, we want to get
rid of of of.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Of assault weapons.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
And and I'm and I do believe in people's right
to bear arms. So I'm not a person that's saying
that I think all guns should be you know, people
shouldn't have access to to guns at all.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I don't believe that that's that's not my politics.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
But I don't think people need assault weapons where they
can shoot multiple people in seconds. I don't think that
that's a necessary piece of artillery in our society.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
So we want to make sure that. And I think
that you need.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
To have rigorous mental health and otherwise screening before you
can even get access as to a regular gun that
is not an.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Assault weapon where you could kill people in seconds.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Right, So that's where I stand that's where my politics lie.
And so when we started calling out the NRA, their
response was to.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Put out an act.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
You remember, they put an ad on TV online and
on TV.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
With the lady's name who did it, and she said
your name in it and oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Her name. She's the c she was at the time.
I don't know where she is now, the CEO. I
think Dana is something like that.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Something did with w something DNA.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Ana she was the CEO, did a piece I don't remember.
I think some of the other members of the Women's Marshals,
Linda Property was in it. I don't remember, but I
know that it was specifically targeting me and my the
rate of calls, the death threats, and the people showing
up at my speaking engagements, you know, with weapons and

(06:53):
all that stuff, and the security had to be increased.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
It was a real thing because when the NRA puts
a target.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
On you, the people who watched that and listen to it,
they not just they don't have knives.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
These are people who own weapons.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
That's why they have access to the content, and they
are paying attention to the NRA.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So at that time they were like, you know, basically,
we're the enemies.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
When they were asked to speak out on the situation
with Filando Castile because he was obviously a licensed gun
owner who said I have a weapon, a licensed and
they police still shot him and killed him in front
of his family. The NRA's first statement did not even
include his name. They said full investigation, troubling investigation. Then they,

(07:41):
you know, they cast some heat for that, and we
was on the ass and other people.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
When they came. And this is before the women's mart
this is in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Then they came back with another statement that named Filando
Castile and said it's a horrible tragedy and there's some
things that could have been done differently, and people need
to take our training so that they could which to
me places some of the onus on Filando Castile, because
why would you be talking about the training that citizens

(08:13):
can take in order to protect themselves.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, So they caught a lot of heat for being.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Ambiguous, taken a long time to respond, and then having
a statement that did not squarely state that what happened
to Filando Castile was wrong. But now that alex Pretty
has been murdered by the state, their.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Statement is very clear.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
The statement says, and I'm paraphrasing, you all can go
look it up, that he was a law bidy citizen,
that it is dangerous. They have gone as far as
to respond on social media when the administration is saying
that Alex pretty shouldn't have had the weapon and whatever.
They have gone as far as to double down on

(09:02):
the Second Amendment and to to say to to to
to reply to those social media posts put their stamp
on it being dangerous that there would be any implication
that he did something wrong. They literally they have They
have entered the chat in the ways in which people

(09:24):
asked them to do when Filando cas Still was the
subject of a shooting with a licensed weapon.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
And it makes me think about which this isn't my
thought of the day, but it's important and we can
move on.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
It makes me think about what examples white people need
to be looking at in this moment to understand the hypocrisy, right,
because I know white people are like, damn, some of
us are out here, we're fighting, and we're being met
with this constant reminder that white people now are getting

(10:02):
shot and so you care, and you know, people keep
on badgering black people been going through this going through this,
going through this, and that sometimes might make a person
feel like damn, like Okay, you know I have to
keep hearing this and I'm out here and you just
keep on coming at me. But it's things like what
I just laid out that white folks need to be

(10:22):
able to digest so that they can understand where this
level of frustration comes from that we need to lay
out for you examples of the same thing happening.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
And yet you as the NRA, which is an ultra
conservative network, has.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
The they made the right choice to defend the white
man and wouldn't even call Filando Castill's name.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
In their first statements.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean, it's it's and that's why when people say
is you you know, it's the same. It's never been
the same, even the States Sanctionfoy, even the way that
they killed they're killing us, but even the way that
the response from the public when it happens, right, this
is like you just said. The NRI has been very
conservative and they always want to make sure that you
know that carrying a gun is right, but they will

(11:18):
never have that conversation when it comes to black people,
like they will make sure that they stand up for
the rights of gun owners when it's a white person.
I have yet to hear them make any statement like
that for a black person. So there goes your point.
And that's why a lot of people are frustrated. And
I say, excuse me, we're gonna all be frustrated because
they're gonna be people that don't get it, you know.

(11:41):
And they keep saying, you know, lett them people go
out there, and I say, and I just and I'm
very honest with it. And a lot of people don't notice.
But most of the rallies that I go to, when
it's big marches, it's not predominantly black people at these
This is just the reality situation, and it's been for
George Floyd. It's been for real and want people to right.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
This is not this is not new.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So when people say, oh, let them people go, I'm
like them people been outside. I've been outside hand in
hand with white people that stood in front of me
and said, let me that the police, you know, let
me put my body in front of you. These are
things that I know that happened. And because maybe you're
not on the front line and you've never actually participated
in any type of you know, rally, or march, you know,

(12:23):
a protest, you don't know that, but these things are happening.
So at the same time, I do think that white
people definitely need to step up in this moment because
this is the time that now the world is paying attention.
These are things that are happened to white people and
they need to be on the front line. They need
to put themselves in jety like we've always done. But
I also don't want you to think that they haven't

(12:45):
been there just.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Because somebody the lies the lies, because here's my issue
when it comes to how they protests at the polls,
the numbers don't be aligning. Sometimes it'd be weird that
too on the street with him and it's millions of
people and I And it's true that millions of white
people have voted against XYZ and all of that, But

(13:11):
the nobos don't be aligning, right because the numbers be
looking like when you go to the polls, you be
with your husband, and you make decisions based upon your
family and your husband, and then when you come out
here with us, you want to be in the movement
and want to be telling.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Us what to do. And that's why I made that
I made a comment to a white man who tried
to tell me about how yet, because I'm gonna be
all over Eric Adams, the former man in New York City,
because we're not gonna let him be comfortable. And he knew,
he knows that I have.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Had issues and take serious concern with some of the
shit that Eric Adams did and.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Said while he was mayor. So he's thinking that he
has found an ally in me by telling me that
they not.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Gonna let Eric Adams rest everywhere he goes. They gonna
let him know. And because of what happened with the
white women on the plane where you know whatever on
the plane or in the in the airport where she
approached and heckled Eric and he's like, yeah, we never
gonna let you know. That's what it's gonna be. And

(14:19):
I shocked him because I said, hey, I hear you
that we have the right to make people uncomfortable after
they have done something that harms us as.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
A broader community, but not too much on the black man.
When you have not heckled your mama, Your mammy and
your pappy need to be heckled. Also because they have
voted for this nonsense.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
They reinforced it, and in fact, many of them don't
even like YO anymore because their morals and principles aligned
with what they see.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
They just didn't want it to be public. Okay, they
sit at.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
The dinner table holiday time and I always ask white
people Later Day weekend is the weekend before election every year,
the general elections.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
What did you do to get yourself uninvited from Thanksgiving?

Speaker 4 (15:21):
You shouldn't even be allowed to go to Thanksgiving because
since we heckling people on Labor Day weekend. You need
to tell your grandmammy, your your mammy and your pappy
and the words of Tesla figure on that if they
vote for these people, they're racist and they don't have
and they're not worth.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
The life gud gig. That's what you need to be
telling them.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
And if you ain't doing that, then running and chasing
the black man down the hall, I ain't.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm not too, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
That don't align with me because because the other thing,
my son, the other thing is we took care Erican
is straight.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
We said for and done, you're out.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
You gone.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Black men overwhelmingly supported mom Donnie, and in the last
I checked, they it was and it was early it
was that you all black men was the number one
voting block. But as the count has gone on, I
haven't followed this, so it could have shifted. But nevertheless
that was significant as an early exit pole.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
So we did that. We handled that already.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Go get your mammy, your pappy, your grandmammy, and your
friends and family.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's enough white people walking around the airport.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
You could go chase white men down and heckle them
all night long.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
And I'm defin where I stand with it, so.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know I agree. I definitely agree.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Anyway, let me tell you about my thought of today,
and I would make it real simple so we can
go because we have. This is an interview coming up
with someone who has been all day long sitting on
the front line of the fight for freedom of speech
by supporting Don Lemon and Georgia Fort and others who

(17:14):
have been involved with these recent arrests, and particularly black journalists.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So she's coming up my thought of the day today.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Lizzie was on the Live and she was reading the
comments section and someone asked her to comment on Nicki Minaj, which,
by the way, I just want to say, for the record,
I done told y'all what was going on with Nicki
Minaj when it first happened, and the people lost their shit,

(17:49):
and now everybody is quiet. They don't say anything anymore
because she has proven that it's worse than what I thought,
because I was trying to say, maybe she don't know
what she's doing, and now it's clear she did. He
does know, and it was all part of a rollout,
And y'all argued me down that she said it's not
about picking side. It wasn't about she's picking side. So

(18:10):
which side are you on?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Is there a side? Now?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Did Nicki Minaj is finally because y'all said she said
this isn't about picking side, So did they get aside?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Anyway? Let me not go down there. That work has
been done. Lizzo is on this line.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
She reads the comments in the comments section. Someone says
to her, what is your thoughts on the Nicki Minaj
relationship to the Trump administration? And she gets real close
to the camera and says, Hey, it's a whole lot
of people y'all fen to find out, people who y'all respect,
people with big platforms I'm paraphrasing, who support Trump also,

(18:51):
And as time goes on, you're going to learn about
more and more and more of them, so get.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Ready, basically buck up. I sat with that.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
I sat with that, and it occurred to me, especially
after Alex Pretty, because I know nobody cares about women, black, white, nothing.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
They don't care. They don't care about women.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
So Renee Good, God bless her, because I can tell
you right now, she just got lost.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
You didn't even hear that. They didn't even.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
They put they put Renee Good over there with black people.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Because she was not you know, she was white and she.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Was I didn't even thought about that. Yeah, oh please,
she's really out.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
They threw her to the wolves.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
She's out.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
But after Alex Pretty was killed, there are people who
I was going to the page like, oh, I know
the so and so, the so and so, the so
and so, the so and so, which are friends and
people who I respect and love, and people who I
have watched speak out time on racism, sexism, you know, authoritarianism.

(20:06):
They might not use the words fascism, but they talked
about this administration. They were advocates against Donald Trump. Maybe
they supported Kamala, you know, maybe they didn't even talk
too much about Kamala, but they have sounded the alarm
around state sanction, violence and all this stuff. Again, they
may not have said it.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'm with Cardis. They gotta used the right language.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Or not the right language, but the language of the
movement or the whatever the most the biggest words.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
But that's what they were talking about. And that went
on for years and years 'n it.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
So I'm popping people's pages open, like, oh, I knew
because now even if you was you were afraid to
speak on Keith Porter because whatever, even if the white
woman the car made you, But I know you're gonna
say something about this, and they haven't.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
It is eerily silent.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
From some of those individuals who hadn't been loud and
clear about where they stand.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
It is eerily silent.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
It is almost so silent that it's screaming, screeching loud.
How many people have completely silenced themselves or they have
been silent and they're not saying a word.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
And it came to me that Lizo is right. Some
of us consider the silence to maybe be about fear.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Maybe your finances ain't right, or you know a deal
you're working you're working on, or you got management company,
management people and others around you who are like just
stirring up all of this fear in you that you
can't because because because because.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
You want to be a target.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
The most of us think that that's probably the cause.
It's a lot of cowardice, a lot of as we
would say, puss, why right, that's the way.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
We see it. But little made me think it might
not be that.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
It might be that the very people who you had
you expect to.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Speak out are actually Trump supporters.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, and that's I found that out.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
The thing is this a lot of them was just
in the day, and you can tell daily now, right,
because what happens is you'll see somebody post something and
then you'll just see one line from them, or you'll
see them like stuff, and then you'll see them underneath
like pro Trump or anti because the thing is what
they won't do is they won't be pro Trump, they'll

(22:54):
be anti Kamala. Or you'll see them post something about
well going when Obama did this, nobody said nothing now
with Trump, and then they'll be under there like that's
what I'm saying, Like you just see they just silently
start doing stuff like that, and then what happens is
when they get bold enough, then they'll start posting little

(23:15):
stuff on the page, and then and then they just
get bold because now they found their community got a
voice because they were silently with that. They were silently
and they little silos doing it. But now when they
start feeling like there's a community for it. Like I
watched somebody on a page, a girl that I knew
for years, cool and he was a dude's posted said

(23:36):
about yes, NICKI Minaja's with Trump.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
That's what I'm talking. I'm glass she with Trump.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
And the girl put one hundred fire emojis under the
picture and I'm like what. But then I just woke
under this shake my hand and she sent me a message.
Y'll call me DMN. I didn't even cause nothing to
talk about. We ain't got in to talk about you already.
I know what's going on there. Nah, you don't better
try to tell me what it is and it's not that.
It is what it is and I'm okay with it,

(24:02):
you know what I'm saying. And that's just where we are.
And you know, we just have to understand who people.
I'm just glad to know that's who you are, cool,
because I know the thing is when people don't understand
about certain choices and levels of integrity and character about
what you support. It shows up later, right, because you
might be friends with somebody and you never was really

(24:24):
in any situation where they had to choose or you
had to see where their integrity or their character actually
had to.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Show up in that manner.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Like you might just have somebody that y'all like sports together,
and y'all go to the games or somebody else listen
to music together, you hang out.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
You know, they cool.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
You hang out with them, they don't talk about anything
that has to do with life. But when a real
life situation actually occurs, that situation will show you that
that person was that all along, and it'd be too late.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
And you don't know that when you're young.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
You just don't realize that a mother always was able
to tell you look the way from that boy, because
that boy is that way.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
And that's that's the discernment that I have now.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So when I watch the way that y'all support somebody
like Trump, and just watch even what it is that
you support them in, it just shows me that in
any certain situations, you you might be detrimental to my survival.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, but you know what, my son, everything you just said,
and and.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
There is a web that is almost cultish where there
were people who that's not who they were.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
George Floyd, you know, Trayvon Martin.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
We can go back because it wasn't trendy.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Well no, no, I mean, I mean I believe them.
I'm not even you're right that that could have been
the case, but I believed them that they were where
they were, but they had crossed over because they start
listening to those talking points and that propaganda machine.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's so.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Back because I've watched people that I'm like, what are
you saying? Like the paid protesters. I have friends who
use that language now in conversation with me.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
They use that langue to me.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I was having a conversation with a friend of mine
who is not a Trump supporter, who was a dear friend.
And awesome because they will know that I'm talking about them.
But I just want to say this, This just mean,
don't need to be no free busses. Don't need to
be no free busses. But then they and they said,
because I was on a bus and I almost got
staged by a person. Then they said, and then they said,

(26:37):
and Johnny was on the bus and got wronged. And
then Sarah was on the bus and was spit on
and and and Poky was pissed on. And they said,
so it can't be no free busses. I said, So,
what you're telling me is that all those people paid
their fare and that shit still happened. All of the
scenarios that you laid out still have been with.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
The fair exactly. So exactly, so.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
You might make it free and include mental health expert
because clearly the money is not the thing is that
that is protecting you from violence. So, but this is
some of the my thought of the day to day
is that as we analyze and watch closely for people
who have been advocates at one point or another for

(27:33):
the fight for justice and for fairness and for equity,
and we watched them disappear from this conversation and not
speak at a time that you would think they would
use their mega platforms to be a part of the
dialogue to educate and to advocate.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
But the and that's what I'm saying, people like convenience, right,
And when we talk when we talk about civil rights leaders, right,
our civil rights leaders, we talk about how many times
even Al Sharpton and they tried to throw l under
the bus and all of this. Our Shopton went to
jail a lot of times. Our Shopton was stabbed in jail.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
And that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Exactly, Martin Luther King went to jail over fifty something
like like people actually sacled. There was real sacrifice, you
understand I'm saying. So we've been, we've been, we have
been pampered in a time where civil rights was trendy.
Even though it was a lot of people that actually
did things, there weren't people that really were making much sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
They were able to.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Make a speech, they were able to go a rally,
and they were able to, you know, figure out how
to navigate.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
It was not really much.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Now right now, when you are anti this government, they
are going to be very real consequences.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Oh yeah, and this and this is what I'm saying.
And we understand that.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And it's people like us that understand that, and we're
prepared for that because we actually had to do some
of those things with Breonna Taylor and during the George
flood we actually curioced it, so we actually had to
do those things. But the average person who you thought
was loud and this and that. They never really did that.
They did some social media, they did it convenient. They
was able to say real strong things and get but

(29:26):
they never really understood what it was like to be
in the front line with tear gas and be surrounded
by trumpers with guns in their hands saying where you going.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
And have to all lives matter, all.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Lives matter, with guns in their hands surrounding us, and
I had to protect and say nobody's doing nothing to
the females and get in front of them and we
had to go chests like They never had to deal
with that. They never had the sense of their life
not being there.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
And in this moment, we're still not speaking to what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
You're speaking to the fear aspect.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
And I'm saying the majority of or the general consensus
of thought, is that those individuals who are saying less
or not saying anything at all, are dealing with fear
for various reasons. What I might lose, how I could
get harms hurt, this, that and the third and that
is a bucket I'm with. I'm saying, my thought of

(30:25):
the day today is focused on some of the people
as we analyze their disappearance.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
They're just.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
What I'm saying of my thought.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Of the day today is that as we analyze people
who have exited the chat, and we're trying to figure
out with a million videos of where the celebrities and
the influencers and the people with big profiles and platforms,
where are they to speak out on these issues and

(30:57):
to use their platform to stay with those of us
who are actively in resistance. You're thinking it might be fair,
And I'm telling you that I am now beginning to
understand Lizzo's point that they might be Trump supporters. They
may have voted for Donald Trump, and they may.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Still be waiting to see how his policies will impact
them and allow them.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
To either get richer and or hold on to the
wealth that they currently had.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Sounds about right to me.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know, I never really thought about that, but it
definitely sounds like that might be the situation because a
lot of people that I never knew what Trump's supporters
just come out the wing and now they just said, well,
you know, maybe it's not that, maybe maybe this and
well nobody said this with Obama and Joe Biden didn't
do this, Sleepy Joe Biden and Kamalo was laughing too much,

(31:55):
and it's like, wow, we did all this come from?
You know what I'm saying, because now now you can
pare it the popular and the algorithm, and they feel like,
since the algorithm shows them so much, that they in
the majority.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
And you might be.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Right, but as time goes on, it'll reveal itself absolutely.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Now let's go to our Okay.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
So listen, family. You know, I don't even know where
to begin. It's interesting that when federal agents started following
Don Lemmon last week, it's been you know, all the
days seemed to be running together. There was one person

(32:38):
who was on the phone call and everybody who needed
to know this was happening in New York and calling
everybody needs to know, saying.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Pay attention, be ready the messing with Don.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
This is going to get more intense no matter what
happens today or tomorrow, these people are not.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Going to leave him alone. And it was Monique Presley
who was our guest today.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
I just want to say for the record that this
is the same woman who was there every single day
with our sister, Marilyn Moseby as she was experiencing what
I don't know the most just an injustice after being

(33:25):
the Baltimore States Attorney and prosecuting officers around the murder
of Freddie Gray. The retaliation was to come after her
for some mortgage thing that ended up being all about
a piece of land about nothing, and Monique Presley again

(33:47):
was making every phone call possible to everybody to say,
we need people to get in, get.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
In, do what you need to do.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
And so if I'm in trouble, my son and the
world which I had and she's also made for.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
But if I'm in any trouble and the.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Law is involved, please go get Monye pressed.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Don't worry.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
I just call her and she will make every phone call,
show her up, fight and everything. And so I just
want to say thank you Monique for that. And if
you don't know, you.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Should be following Monique. She is the host of The
Monique Presley.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Show on YouTube, but she is a legal analyst and
expert who's on shows across networks and just a big
sister friend and also an advisor to Attorney Ben Crump,
which is a major role that she plays. And our
friend and SOK you and welcome to the tam My

(34:46):
Show tonight. Because somebody got to tell the people what's
going on. It's so good to be back with you, guys.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
And even as you say that, it's funny, because it
wasn't until you said it that I realized how many
times I do think that you need a spirit of
discernment in this work.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
And I know that you have it, my son. I
know that you have it, Tamika.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
And sometimes things will happen. It'll be like, yeah, that's
all right, let's wait, let's not go. And sometimes things
will happen and something and you'll be.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Like, oh no, everybody needs to know.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
I don't know what's going to happen. But when I
tell you, when I.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Sent you that message, I had texted formal White House
people who and it all today made sense because everybody
started working because I had given everybody an on ramp.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I'm like, I'm in told y'all for two weeks this
was about to be really bad. Like but for Don yes,
because I knew when I knew.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
When I knew, I was like, oh no, they won't
let this go. And and when he told, because I
with crisis managers, if something happens and a client or
whoever says, well, this happened, or I just said this
or this bad negative thing. Crisis Manager book is, We're

(36:15):
gonna wait that twenty four hours. We're gonna see if
the story starts dissipating and things start de escalating, or
things are ramping up.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
And we're looking at the data.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
We're looking at social media, we're looking at who's commenting,
what kind of check marks they have.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
We're just looking like, I don't know if this is
a crisis. I don't even know if this is gonna
be a crisis. And so I was waiting that twenty
four hours.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I'm dawn.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
From when he noticed that people were outside from when
they had been in the church, and then when a
little over twenty four hours later he called me and
said they had followed him to dinner.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I was like, oh, okay, no, we're there. Crisis.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
Yeah, it might not happen tonight, but they intend to
do something, because you don't send unmarked cars, playing clothes
agents following people at their homes. And multiple people who
were there had told me that they were being surveilled
in that manner. So I'm like, okay, they have what
we call drop.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
The net, and they got eyes on everybody and that
means we now have to get information.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And so that's when I started texting.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Steve, Benjamin and them, Angela y In them, Tamika and them,
Menon and them. Ery body who I knew would if
they heard from me say, Okay, Monique's not nuts.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
She doesn't sound on the alarm every other day, but
this is a thing, right.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
And so then when we lived when the justice system
said no, if the magistrate said I'm not doing the warrant,
the chief judge said, I'm.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Backing the magistrate. The appellate court said, y'all are dumb.
This is not an amer urgency. We could breathe for
a little while.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
But I was on Don Show three times in this
past week, and one time Don asked Charles Coleman and
I were on there, and somebody was like, well, I'm
just glad we got past this and they see the
air of their ways, and I was like, no, they
don't don knew. I knew, But Charles and I together

(38:23):
said no, they have one more play and the grand
jury can indict a ham Sandwich. They didn't want to
go that route because they know that whatever evidence they
have or don't have, is the strength of their case.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
When they go in court.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
It would be so much better if a judge was
willing to verify and say, we looked at.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Your charges, and I be in a federal court magistrate
say that there's probable cause.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
But the federal magistrates were not willing to do that.
So they go to a jury and the level of
proof lower, and the prosecutor goes in there and the
defendant can't be in there. The defendant's lawyer can't be
in there, because if the defendant isn't testifying, then defendant's
lawyer can't be in there. We have no idea what
whoever they paid to go into that.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Grand jury, what they said, They said whatever they needed
to say in order to.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Get that indictment, and it will never be known. It
doesn't enter into evidence. It's a closed, siloed part of
a proceeding.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
So what do you what's what do you think happens next?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's going to it's going to court.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's not going to go to trial necessarily, they're going
to have an initial.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
For cernel cases, discovery is a little faster.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
What are exactly charges?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
So he was charged?

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Well, the four today were charged with the same charges
as the prior people who were charged and that eighteen Usc.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Two in eighteen Usc. Two forty eight, eighteen Usc. Two
forty one is.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
The Face Act, and it is the body of legislation
that prevents intimidation in areas like abortion clinics, where you
can't prevent people from being able to access that care.
Never mind that this administration does not enforce that at all.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I've never seen, I've never heard.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Where what it is written for is supposed to be
enforced prior administrations. Yes, but this legislation dates back to
I think Senator Ted Kennedy, and one of the ways
that they got it across the finish line was by
including churches.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
So it was that you.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Can't prevent access or enjoyment, exercise of your rights to
be in a church service, uninterrupted exercise of your rights
to be at an abortion clinic, to access go into
an abortion clinic, because there were protesters who used to
be blocking women where it couldn't go in right twenty four.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Eighteen Usc. Two forty eight is the historical kkk AT.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
It is the act that was written in order to
prevent intimidation by the Klan, and that's what they have
used to charge to.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Independent journalists black Man and black Woman.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
They have used the Face Act, which is for abortion clinics,
and they have used the kkk AT that was written
to keep the clan from intimidating people in public spaces.
That's that's the they are. We know for sure that

(41:54):
Don was not a protester. He wasn't involved in and
organizing or being with the protesters, Nor was Georgia.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Nor was Georgia.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
And that does not mean because I hadn't heard him
say that, you know, he doesn't support the movement or
any of that. So that's not because I don't want
people to start making a distinction that it doesn't mean
legend he doesn't exactly. It doesn't mean he does or
he doesn't. This is not about whatever his feelings may be,

(42:30):
because we can't prosecute on feelings, right. This has to
be based upon fact, and the fact is he was
not a part of the actual protest. He went in
to get reaction from many people about what was happening,
all the things the church near.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
I don't know if he even went into your reaction.
I think he went in to cover it as happening.
He went into document it. He went in with his
camera us with his people who were there, and they
covered what was happening.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
He said, over and over again, I'm not with.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
The protesters, I am observing, i am recording, I'm live
right now, and I'm asking for reaction. So he interviewed,
But let me ask protesters and acts. That's what I
want to say, because he was talking to a white
man who had a microphone eared the mouth, and I'm

(43:28):
trying to I want to know, is that the pastor
or somebody from the church, because I don't think the
protesters had a microphone eared the mouth speaking inside the church,
So if I think that that is him getting also
interviewing as a journalist, the people who were in worship

(43:51):
who were talking to him, from what I could see,
they didn't seem to be threatened. They weren't saying get out,
get out. They were they never asked him to leave.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
And yes, it was not David Eastwood, who was the
one who is the regional director of ICE, who the
lead pastor. The reason why they chose the pop up people,
The reason why they chose that place was because it
is pastored.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
By someone whose day job is regional.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Director of ICE, right, And so their thought was here's
this man saying he loves God, loves people, but he's
part of responsible.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
For why we're out here, why people have dying.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
It was only Renee, not Renee and nurse Pretti at
that point, but why people were being injured, White people
were being snatched.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
They were saying, this is a joke. That's not who
you are.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
But he either was not there by the time they
went in, or he's scurried along by the time they
went in.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
And so it was the minister who was up and
having the.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
Service who took the time to be interviewed Don and
did not ask Don.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
To leave, nor is camera to leave, but instead engaged
in this interview.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
It's hard to trespass when nobody tells you you're trespassing,
especially when it's a public place like a church.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Exactly right, That's the main thing I was saying.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I would say, because I don't know the legal you know,
I don't know the legal jogging or just the law
around it, but I know that church is people usually
walk into the church all the time. You know, you're
able to walk in and you can talk to the past,
you can have conversations, you can do that. So I
don't know if that would be even considered trespassed.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
No, churches are public spaces, and this is one.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Churches are public places on private property, and in the law,
even though the private the property is private, you are.
Anybody is welcome in the church. That's how a man
could walk into a church and kill an amage nine,
because we let everybody come in, right, people, Nobody brings

(46:04):
that up right now because this offense, where there was
no violence whatsoever, it's so heinous. But other dudes get
burger king right, So yes, anybody can come in now.
At the point that you disrupt the service, right, that's
civil disobedience.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
And that has its own consequences, and you get to
fight and be heard in court, and a jury of
your peers if it gets to that point, make a
decision of whether they feel it was criminal intent.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
But it's not the Face Act. It's not in KKKR.
I don't understand.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
It's not the KKK Act. I don't know if it's
the Face Act or not. I'm gonna be a lawyer
for real with y'all, so that means I'm not gonna
pull any punches.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I don't know. Those protesters are.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Might end up facing some consequences that nobody else would
because this administration doesn't mind targeting people, and if they
can find a way to make it as serious as
humanly possible Lamonica mcgui ver, right, James James Comy, Fannie Willis, whomever, right,
Jern Powell, if they can figure out a way.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
To change a misdemeanor to a felony, they're gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
And so that's part of what we as people who
are who consider ourselves in any way in the movement,
in any way organizers, in in any way activists, we
have to now know if we decide were going outdoors
right outdoors means if I get arrested this time, it

(47:39):
might not be enough to just make sure Monique has
our Orange vest On and has our bail money in fact,
because they might wait to arrest me on a Friday
and the hopes that they can keep me till on Monday,
because they know that that's the only way that they'll
get any jail time out of me at all, because
that's the way this administration functions. And so I can't
say whether this was or was not a violation of

(48:02):
the Face Act. What I can say, though, is it
is disproportionately applied and is not enforced across the board.
They are targeting different groups and then not enforcing with others.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
All you gotta do is look at January sixth.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Wait, January sixth, you're going back into the archives.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Let's talk about three weeks.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Ago at Jamal Bryant's church where the white man walks
in there down there, and he looked like the KKK
by the way, he looked like in the movies that
you've watched from nineteen sixty when the Grand Wizard was
meeting with the men, the older men with the beard
and the thing.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
That's what he looked like.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
I mean, period, I haven't even heard at all. I
hadn't heard anything like I And when I say haven't
heard anything about this man walking around in Jamal bryan
In church having to be escorted out, screaming, pausing a disruption,
I could say he was blocking an entrance because he

(49:10):
was standing in front of a door that people used
to go in and out of the sanctuary from the hallway,
and it was him and his wife or something. Wasn't
it feel a bit?

Speaker 5 (49:20):
But even after doctor Bryant posted about it, it's still nothing.
And he even said, Okay, if there's no such thing
as a black church or a white church, then why
and he gave the picture, why haven't you found you know, and.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
His whoever his accomplice was.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
And so I'm just I'm you know, because I sometimes
I worry that people it's so much going on that
our folks are folks, let's not say hour because one
thing we're not going to do is square is put
this squarely.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
On black people.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Any folks can't keep up with all the moving pieces, right,
So you will hear people say, well, maybe they shouldn't
have and maybe don shouldn't and this and that, And
what we're saying is you get at least what I'm saying.
You can have your opinion whether you believe a protest
should or should not happen in the church, and therefore

(50:19):
you don't have to engage, right because that's your decision.
You can be a journalist who says, I don't go
that deep into the belly. I'm gonna stay on the
peripheral across the street, down the block and catch the
people when they go to the restroom at the McDonald's
after they finish protesting, you know, down the block.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Don Lemon ain't that.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
He always has been the guy who crawls into the
crevices to get the real true story.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's always been him. So that's what he was doing.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
So you can argue all of that, but what you
can't argue, and that is what I feel like is
our fight is again the hypocrisy that is in how
they deal with the law and or not. And in
this case, we see clearly that there was a man

(51:13):
who went in and disrupted a service who has not
been named. I don't know that he's been Has he
been named that you no.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
No, never never seen him since.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
And nobody is trying to find him.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Nobody is trying to find him.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
And I think because black we're used to that, right,
We used to disruption, we used to having to move
past it.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
We're okay, he yelled on the screen. We don't care.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I mean, you know, we were on point, we watching
him because we making sure that he's not a physical threat.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
So people were paying attention.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
But at the end of the day, we're used to
people having their opinions, and we allow you to voice
your opinions.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Lords, you don't put your ends on us, and you
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
You can say whatever you want, but I think this
administration is time that we're in.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Everything that we do is going to be targeting.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
And I heard a little bit of Don talking about
how this is how you know, authoritarians start, they eliminate
the media. You know, once they eliminate the media and
nobody's able to tell the story properly, then the world
believes everything that they get from, you know, the administration.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Yeah, And I said, Monigud, I want you to react
to this, and I said it and I was like, man,
I can't really say this publicly because people are going
to like lose it and not understand the context of
what I'm trying attempting to explain. But I think it
is worth saying that the killings of all the people

(52:37):
who have been named that have been killed or harmed
by ice and law enforcement in general, and of course
Keith Porter, renee Good and Alex pretty and these these
situations are severe. I mean, they're like critical, critical co
red state of emergency one hundred percent. But the arrest

(53:01):
of the journalists to me, rises to another level, right
And I'm and see you see what I'm saying about
why I'm careful. I don't want people to take out
of context what I'm saying that. I'm like, oh, those
those you know, the shooting, killing, abuse of people is
not as important. I'm just saying, when you understand history

(53:26):
and you see the arrest of officer I mean of journalists,
it is telling you a different story because we've always killed, harmed,
abused people who were participating in resistance, that and or
and or just everyday people. That's a that's that's an American.

(53:49):
That's as as American.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
As apple pie. Right.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
But when we start arresting and charging journalists for covering
the story, sorry, we are entering fascism.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
On steroids.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
And it means that we're getting closer to the fulfillment
of the project twenty twenty five authoritarianism plan. Do you
agree or do you feel like maybe I'm going too far.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Not far enough.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
State sanctioned violence, state sanctioned murder is this country's origin story,
and it is our story still. So it's not George
Floyd story. It's not a Sonya Massy story, it's not

(54:45):
a both from John's story. It's not a Brianna story.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
That's not what it is.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
State sanctioned killing is. This is a calling card of
federal government here. The difference where that is concerned in
the past.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Weeks is old.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
But white people too, right, because Ice don't care what
color you are.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Now Ice cares what side you're on.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Because the thuggery and the goonishnish of it is all
pro Trump pro They stuck us on these streets, and
they incentivize us with money per collar, the way that
when I first started doing policeman's conduct cases like that's

(55:42):
the bad, bad old days, and we're back there again,
except for with them having little to no training. And
when I say no training, I don't just mean they don't.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Have a stun gun.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
They don't know how to use a baton, they don't
understand what a traffic stop is. They don't know how
to restrain and collar a suspect. They don't even know
how to do things that are now illegal, like putting
somebody prone and hog tying them. They can't even do
it halfway wrong the way people used to die. Sometimes
they only have these guns. So that's them. That's the

(56:20):
state sanction violence part of it. Right, But you are
right because that has always been with us, except for
now its white people. What we have that is worse
than that is state policy, because when you go after
these journalists, it's not on street some thug got mad

(56:43):
and pulled their weapon and killed somebody and then clapped.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
That's bad, that's horrible. But we have seen that, and
god knows how many times the cameras weren't there for
us to see it. This, though, is we want to
prosecute them. We will deliver warrants, We will spend tax dollars,

(57:13):
We will pursue them with the full weight of the
federal government, of the Department of Justice, of Homeland Security,
of the Civil Rights Division, of the Presidency of the
United States, and when it doesn't work, will keep going
until we get them. We will make public statements, we
will show mugshots. Is different in every possible way because

(57:40):
it is turning the awesome power of one of the
most fear supposedly countries in the world, of our enforcement division.
That's what Department of Justice is, that's our law and
order people.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
They're turning it on ten people who went in a church.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Can I ask you about this ballot situation in the rides? Yes,
So what's going on with that? And what do you
what is what is the whole legal reentifications behind that.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Wait, which ballot situation?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
My thine in Atlanta?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Okay, see here's here's happening.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
So many different things that you confuse, like which one.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Right, because they're all together.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
The real goal of ice, the real goal of this persecution,
the real goal of Pam Bondi sending a letter to
Governor Walls and saying, oh, okay, we'll.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
Withdraw if you turn over your voter rolls, and you too, Arizona,
and you too, Michigan, if you just give us the
roles because we know you have people on the rolls
who aren't supposed to be on the rolls. Give us
the rolls and we'll exit. That's connected to Fulton County,
where the crazy man who's in the one house has

(59:01):
to prove that in twenty.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Twenty he didn't really lose the election.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
He went to Davos, the debacle in Davos last week
and said it was a red election, and everybody knows
it was a red election. They know now, and people
are going to start being perseed, said, persecuted, prosecuted people
start to pay conrects and persecuted. And so after he

(59:28):
says that, then the next week. Here they go, going
to where they keep the paper ballads, as if going
in and collecting them is going to change the multiple times,
the recounts, the court orders, the judge's decisions, sixty plus
cases across this country and three independent investigations, and nope,

(59:51):
twenty twenty is still your ass lost.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
You lost, you lost, you lost.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
So it's all tied, and it's not going to sincerely
tied to prove he won, that's his mind. It's really
tied to Elections are unstable, Elections are not valid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Elections can't be trusted, So why would we have one
in November? Exactly? That's where they are leading.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Is it legal for Pam Bondy to include language in
a letter about ice saying, but if you give us
the the voting roles, then I don't I don't you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Listen, it's just so it's so unprecedented and retarded, retarded,
I would like to say crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah. A judge called it, called it extortion and a
a bribery attempt. And we are.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Not we are not immune to or new to or
shocked by corruption. We've been watching corruption play out forever
and ever and ever on so many levels local government,
local police force.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
You know, I mean, this is not but there, this
is It's like, you know what I mean, that's the
only thing I can say. What you see. You put
in a letter to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Say, that's this administration.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Everything you're telling everybody paid, he's paid to play.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
They're lawless, and the Supreme Court has taken all restraints off.
I did a segment for my show last week called
the Emperor has No Clothes and and and I really
meant it in that it's not his nakedness that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
It's that there's nobody in the circle.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
To say that you don't got no clothes on?

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
He ain't, He'll had an on like it was a
kid in the story that said. And they're around him
and fearful and power grabbing and not wanting to be exposed.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
And he is so very naked that you know, Prime Minister, Canada, Germany, everybody,
everybody is like, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
But to your point, no, I don't think it's gone
but for but for Nixon, And then that was a
specific circumstance.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
It wasn't across the board.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
We are seeing Project twenty twenty five work its way
through the entirety of our Executive branch and with an
assist by Congress. Not because they're helping, but because they
are spineless and they will not prevent any of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
And that is why Trump knows. Oh, if if we.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Lose in November, they're gonna hamstring me, They're gonna impeach me.
They're gonna finish me, and not just him, the GLP.
That's what I say day before, Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Now on Don Show, I said it'll be the death
of the GOP if we handle November right, they might
not ever win anything again because the staff is in America, understand, Yeah, right,
they the masses in America know how unreliable they are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
It's just a question of us having a chance to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It's not even unlible at this point. It's it's danger.
It's it's serious levels of danger. The unreliability. Like we
always knew that I think most people knew, and they say,
even it's unliable, I'm gonna be it. But right now,
the danger that we live in the constant fear, just
watching the economy, just watching this, you know, the administration
just target people like they they have done nothing right

(01:03:39):
for America and like just it's for real, it's not
even like trying to be funny. It's just like there's
nothing been done right. But I want to ask you
a question. Do you know how Georgia Ford is doing?
I was watching her live early and it made me
really sad, like hearing the kids in the background crying
and she was going to get arrested. You know. I
was like, this has to be traumatized, like it has

(01:04:00):
being a young kid knowing that Fed's is looking for
your mother.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
She's you know, she's a journalist. She's like you can
just tell that. It was a lot going on in
that moment.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Yeah, and she's she's safe. I mean, you know, she's out,
she's safe. I have not talked to her yet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
She was on my show a couple of days ago.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
And it was really I got it was very difficult,
you know, to Mika especially. You have been just in
places where Angela, our sister, Angela, Ryan and I were
working on things.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
And it's funny because she and I are both it's
quickly out and born on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
October twenty sixth, both of us close to a decade apart.
But you know, and we'll battle it out until we
figure it out, and then there's always love but then
there's some things that just break your heart, just break it,
and this from me with Georgia has been one of
those things where I'm looking at a woman who is

(01:05:16):
strong and brave and powerful and standing on her own
two feet, and she has a supportive husband, she's got
a family, she's got children, but she's out there making
her mark in the world right an Emmy Award winning journalist.
And to hear her just on her public lives and
then talking to us personally and saying I wanted to

(01:05:38):
go downtown and cover something, but I didn't think it
was safe. I'm being followed, there's massed people, there's unrest.
I didn't even trust being able to go into a hospital,
into a hotel and look out the window like it
what they're hoping to accomplish.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
And it's always black women.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Right where they're doing the most that they could possibly
do to us, and they use us as like the
first step, the first frontier, if we can get away
with it with the black women, and then with the
black men.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Oh maybe a white woman too, Oh maybe a white man.
And so this administration is inching.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
But she.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Has so much of a moral compass about her, and
so much integrity about her work, and she posted a
video when she was getting out when she was released,
and thankfully she was released on her own recognizance and
did not have to pay a bond. But I'm sure

(01:06:43):
she's gonna need support because this is just the beginning.
The fact that they don't have to stay in jail
doesn't mean that these charges are dropped.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
So you got to get council.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
And it's interesting because the chorus seem like they are like,
why are y'all bother us with this, Like let's let
these people out of here, Like it's not even a
situation where you see the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Courts being over zealous to say you gotta have.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Bond, and you know, they're even like, I don't even
know why we're had because I don't believe now depends
on who your final judge is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
You're real, you know you're judge who's presiding.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
I don't believe that there's even a case as big
as a piece of land. Seriously, So it's like a
waste of people's time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
But you know, and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
It's a disruption of to your point about the breaking
of breaking your heart, it's a disruption of folks nervous
system because this and and to my son's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Point, her children, her family, that's crazy that I mean,
I've been there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
I've been in my house and at six o'clock in
the morning, federal agent come to my house, ring the doorbell,
wake up everybody in the house, and we're all sitting
on the couch in the living room while they asked
questions about taxes and payroll and stuff that they have

(01:08:15):
called and asked us to come downtown to discuss what
could have called us on the telephone to get the
answers to But they are at my house at six o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
In the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
And they executed this on multiple staff members at the
same time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
So most families were impacted.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
And my son may have been eight or nine years
old who's now out of his bed scared.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
That's what is happening to my mother. So that's a disruption.
But the other.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Disruption is that as this is happening, right as this
is in progress, we're getting live reports on some of
our channels about what's happening to to to Georgia. And
I'm in the airport sobbing, literally stobbing, traveling from one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
City to the next. My hands are sweating.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
I'm trying not to let people look at they know me,
I'm in the airport.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
People are like, hey, oh my god, and I'm in
the airport, like my nervous system. It's too much. It's
trauma exactly what they want because.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
They because if they can traumatize you, at least we
can do that. And once they traumatize you, then they say,
she's she's gonna be quiet. She's not gonna go out there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Donald me got me fucked up with this camera.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
George's gonna stay home because she she knows, she has
seen the risks, and she's not willing to deal with
the risks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
And that's the whole strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Did y'all see the graphic that the White House put out? Yes,
before you talk about that, Why did the d A
go to her house?

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I'm trying to understand how the DEA gets involved in
executing a warrant of this nature.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
I mean, all of this seems so like it's political fear.
As you would say, there are no more rules, There
are not lines, there are not departments, they are not boundaries.
If they can't get their own agents to do something,

(01:10:30):
if they can't probably get the local because normally, if
you have to effectuate a warrant, then you're gonna call
the local or state police department and they're going to
do it for you because it's somebody who's in your area.
But what if they say no, So then you gotta

(01:10:54):
find some federalites.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
Who answer to you. And maybe you can't pick Ice
because Ice is already in trouble. So you got to
go with what you got because you're trying to, again theater,
do it all at the same time, and you know
that you are doing West coast time for maximum impact

(01:11:18):
to arrest don Lemon coming back from an event, and
you want to do these arrests at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
And it all was very much coordinated in that way.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Like my phone was ringing, my text was going off,
my signal, everything was going at the same time, which
is why I'm saying to the nervous system to your
point to Mika, yeah, that's I love that song.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Whose song is it? The biggest, the largest? What they do,
what they.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
Did here especially, and what they do is they go
after somebody big to say nobody is untouchable, and then
they go after your heart to say we don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
We're not making any exceptions.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
We don't care that she's a mother, We don't care
that we know she's a journalist. We don't care she's
in a bj right now, vice president of the local chapter.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
She ain't out here pretending to be a journalist.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
We know, and we don't care, because we are gonna
reach out and touch you because they're supposed to make
you afraid.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
What I have to say, though, is for the eight
hours that I.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Did on the Don Lemon channel today, we had twenty
five thousand or more people tuned in consistently.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
But cable that's better than cable news numbers. God knows
what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Right now, people are not with it. Yeah, people are
not having it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Whatever. The bridge too far.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Is over.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
We over it. We're over it now now is it
too late? How?

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
There are things we're not gonna ever recover. And you
know I'm not this person, I'm the eternal optimist.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Oh, there are things we're not getting back.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
This country is forever different, especially for black and brown people. Well,
some of the things we're not gonna get back, I'm
gonna be honest with you are relationships. Because there are
people that can't ever in their life. Talk to me again,
and I'm gonna tell you why it makes me emotional,
like I really want to cry getting this out, because

(01:13:34):
they're real relationships.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
I'm talking about people I love.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
But you're putting my particular life in danger because what
people don't understand when I've watched that man run up
to ilhan Omar representative il han Omar and spray whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Whatever he did. By the way, today, it nothing but
a liquid or water or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
But in three you don't know when God knock on everything,
and please the Lord, don't let my words come true.
But when when she and other people who were close
to it start having respiratory issues and some other shit
and you find out it was olderless colorless, something that

(01:14:24):
all you need to do is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
You know, sprayed in a wrong right, that's right. You
know what I'm saying. This shit is serious.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
And for me, I every single day I have to
make decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I'm telling you. My mentor called me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Today, the the the honorable Marion Berry's widow, Cora masters Berry,
and she was sobbing like I don't want you going
to this place and that place because I'm worried and
it's unfortunate that I could not say back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
To her Mo and my son, I won't go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
I couldn't say that because I don't know what I
may feel called to do and win.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
And every time I step outside, even when I.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Am not in active resistance, the fact that I woke
up in the morning is a threat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Active resistance act.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Business that we're on here giving people information that flies.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
In the face of the lies that they're trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Tell ye is active resistance, and so just I have
to tell people, often family members and friends. I'm frustrated,
I'm aggravated. Sometimes I feel rage. I feel the same,
but I am not suicidal. I have nothing. I am
not using drugs anymore. I don't use drugs, don't want it,

(01:15:52):
I don't have a taste for it. If you'll find
me somewhere that's right. With twenty pills in my body,
I ain't telling you today that I did not take it,
that it has been planted, or whatever, however, whatever words
you use to say that someone has infused my body

(01:16:13):
with it, that's what happened, because there is I have
no suicidal thoughts in my personal life. I'm actually very happy,
very much fulfilled with love, and family, my granddaughter, my son, everybody.
But every day I have to tell people that because
they will make the case based upon things that you

(01:16:34):
have shared or words you may say.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
If you write on social media, I'm overwhelmed.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
The next thing you know, it is a part of
a case that you done have been killed somewhere, and
they're saying, she said she was overwhelmed, So you gotta
If you you can say you're overwhelmed, but you also
have to follow that up with but I am not suicidal.
This is sinsterious shit. So if you voted for this,
I can't have any thing to do with you. I

(01:17:01):
can't and have to be a boundary. I gotta cut
it somewhere. If you didn't vote at all, I gotta
we gotta work on this, because.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Oh are you Are you working with it? Didn't vote?
I'm working it didn't vote. I gotta I gotta work
with the didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Yeah, I don't. I don't. This was gonna be my
I don't get it. But yeah, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
I don't have any interest in dealing with anybody that
deals with Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Like I made up my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
You look, I tried to have cordial conversations and dialogue.
And I'm at the place that I realized we just
have two different moral compasses and and and I don't
want to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Even engage with people that disturb my peace.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
And you might have been somebody that I loved for years,
but I've realized we've come to a crossroad to where
we no longer have the same value system because anytime
that you support somebody who I think is one of
the worst human beings in the world, just not even
based on presidency. It's not about parties. It's not about
Republican like you could have voted for some Republicans when
we might be able.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I might not agree this, and that we get, but
if you support Donald Trump, then it shows where you're
more what your character is. I believe that you have
a flawed character.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I don't agree.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
I believe that that's just I know.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
And I'm not saying this because I'm saying I s
with them. But here's what I'll Here's what I'll say,
because unfortunately I know too many people who are like this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I have no idea. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Maybe you guys do, but I have no idea what
the challenges are that the people in Alaska.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Face on a daily basis. I don't know people who
live there.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
I know a couple of few people who are from there,
but not who live there. And the way everything is
like with the sun and the daytime and you gotta
put the shades down in order to get sleep, to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Create night and day and all of that. I don't
identify any of it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
The way that they fish for food or any of it,
or even that poor idiot child who could have been
our vice president, who see you can see Russia right
over there, you can see it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I mean, like I don't understand anyone they were talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
And so their enemies would not automatically be my enemies
because I'm ignorant. Now I'm willfully ignorant, because it's not
that hard for me to figure out what's going on
with them. Like Google is your friend. I could go
there if I wanted to. I could know more people
from there if I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Same with whether.

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
It's Norway or whether it's Sweden, or whether it's Bangkok
or whether it's Beijing. My level of information is cursory,
like it's very surface level, and so things that I
watch people protesting things all over the globe that I

(01:20:04):
don't personally identify with. And it is not that I
don't want them to win, and it's not that I
want them to be persecuted, because that's just not me
anybody anywhere who's being mistreated.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Shit, I'm on your side, but sometimes I don't know
your side. And because I don't know your.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Side, I don't care your side because I think.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Huh, I think what I'm saying is no. But I'm
saying if you're disconnected.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
States who are exactly like that, they are ignorant, They're
not like, they don't have knowledge, they don't have black experience,
they don't have black community, they are not aware of history.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
They are living their own lives.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
And sometimes when the information comes and they vote based
on their we.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Tell people vote your interests, vote your interest. I don't
say that shit no more.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
I say, hear out everybody's interests and then you better voted.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
You better vote my kids interests to Mika, them's interests,
my signing, them's interests, not just your interest because your
interest is always covered. You'ing been covered since the founding fathers. No,
especially Texas, don't vote like that. Don't vote George Bush's
grandchildren's interests.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Vote Lloyd Benson and Richards, Sheila Jackson, Lee, Barbara Jordans,
Nicky Leland vote if you unvote leaders, vote all us
all Monye Presley vote all traded truth, vote traded truth interest, Yes, Chris,
And when I actually I have talked to maggots, I

(01:21:46):
have talked to Republicans, I've talked to conservatives. I've talked
to Democrats, because white Democrats, it's the same crop. I'm
trying not to cuss just because I'm trying to say
things that children can listen to, but it's the same thing.
They are so rooted in their own experience and ignorant
to the experiences of others that they are voting their pockets.

(01:22:09):
They're voting their religion, they're voting their principles, and they.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
See a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
But that's my point, though you say exactly what I'm saying. Interesting,
but that might not understand that. And if you vote
your pockets, your religion and your interests, and is Donald
Trump that means we have two different moral come because
your pocket, if your pockets supersede morality to me, if
your interests supersede a person who lacks any level of

(01:22:37):
morality the person who is the most disrespectful person who
violates everybody who has no empathy, no connection anything. If
you have a level of connection to Donald Trump, then
me and you don't really have anything in come.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
And it's cool and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Poetizens, Yeah, been around seen city.

Speaker 5 (01:22:57):
Because they watch the evening news like that comes on
either from five to six or six to seven, and
they go to bed.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
And the young folks don't even watch that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
And so a lot of times what I'm explaining to
people about things.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
That Trump said or things that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
He did, they're like eye or what. They're not even
trying to explain it away.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
It's literal shock, Like as a joke, I'm like, no,
these are the things he said two o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
How does he get any work done?

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
Because these are people who work all day, feed their family,
go to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
What I'm trying to say, when you down here, they
but those people have they have those with those people right,
they have to impose upon themselves the ability and the
want to know. Right because if you if you, if
you're making decisions and you don't know and it's hurting me,

(01:23:59):
then you you you you're a threaten to me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
So you you you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Gotta want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
And if you don't want to know and you just
making decisions that harm me, I don't want to be
around you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Because you're still dangerous to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Because if you're the type of person that don't know
shit and you going out there and you're making life
decisions that are threatening people's lives and you don't have
a clue about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Nothing, I can't be around you. I don't want nothing
to do with you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Listen, listen, y'all are one in one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
As the judge of this debate, it was one in
one because mo Haney going down and dude, you came back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
With that one right there. It's one in one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
But I think to sum it up, we're talking about
the homemieds that do. That's who I'm That's what I'm
talking about. I'm not mad at them people over there
that voted for Trump. I'm not making mad. It's not
the wrong word that they shouldn't even be using it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
I don't really care because I'm not gonna get around.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
That doesn't I'm talking about relationships people who got.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
No better.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
But it doesn't even hurt me. I hurt you to me,
but it may be a. It's a scorpio and me.
But I don't wantsome people and I don't want.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Them back, and I don't want them back me. I'm
gonna tell you that, and I don't care. I care
because Lord, I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Try, good, look, I try.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
But anyway, I don't want to even go down that
rag and hole anymore. I just want to say money,
thank you, thank you for what they're doing, thank you
for helping to make it plain. We're the same, like
you and Angela, Angela Ryal's sister. We fight it out
until we come to a place where both of us
have a deeper understanding of issues. And that to me

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is very, very very important because I can hang up
the phone with you and be like, I still intend
toes down, but when I am speaking out in the world,
I'm able to recognize other people's perspectives and it makes
me a stronger leader.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
And so these.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
People who say we all think alike, and what do
they trying to say? We are one thing, one one
group thought. No, actually, our groups don't do group thought.
We fight bus and go back and forth and push
one another all the time. Where we all are aligned,
where we all are aligned is that this is not

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a drill.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
This is not a joke. It's not a you know,
a moment that is going to pass.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
We are deep into something that started a year ago,
but it actually started even before that. I wanted to
do this one thing before because I don't want you
to leave. We were talking earlier about white people and
how this is different because of white people, and I
wanted to go back and people should actually look this up,

(01:26:46):
so we don't have to belabor this show today, but
they should go back and look at when doctor King
and John Lewis, God Rest his.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Soul, and all of the folks who let me not
get myself in trouble, we're out there going.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Across the Edmund Pettis Bridge in Selma, and in the
midst of the civil rights struggle.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
We know that when.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
We think about the time periods when the movement has
been at its most critical and its most dangerous and
inflection point where we could go one way or the other,
white people who have chosen to stand on the right
side of history started getting killed and that and it

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is it is a it is a clear determination that
we have crossed a bridge. That is that we can't
we can't go back so it doesn't mean that we've
crossed the bridge and it's worse than ever. No, it's
still all terrible, but we will never go back to
what it was because every time that that happens, the

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world changes at that moment. And so what I want
people to know is that my pastor often.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Says it is that this is a it may be.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
An uncomfortable, terrible, scary moment, but it is pregnant with
possibility for what we can do if we all buckle down.
Not all because we'll never be all, but all that
are in if we buckle down and running the place
that fit our skill set and do what we're supposed

(01:28:30):
to do in this moment. If we do that, we
won't ever go back, but we can create whatever it
is to become so that our children will not look
back and say, well, what the hell did y'all do
when they was you know, shooting people in the face
and doing all the things that's happening and stealing people's oil.

(01:28:54):
I mean, it's so crazy. So I just I want
supposed to be left with that feeling of well, wow,
we're never going back, and the direction forward is the
moment is happening now because we've watched and we know
from history when the white folks started dying.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
We're on our way somewhere somewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
Yeah, And I'm remembering a couple of weeks ago to Mika.
We were talking, or maybe we were texting, but you know,
I was in a space and just mad, and you
were like, the white folks died too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Mo At that moment, I was probably like, I don't care. Oh,
but you know I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
I didn't mean it that way. But what you say
about us doing what it is in our skill set
to do, I really.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
I appreciate my son, Latasha Brown has been and just
checking in and regularly with me, because you know I
have been.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
Was a crash landing for me, and I've been experiencing
just some hard days, some deep loss. But I was
comforted in knowing not just that my brain still works,
but being.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
But it being proven true that which you really are
meant to.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Do, you almost you can do it better in adversity
because everything else strips off.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
You can.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
Like I told you tonight, I'm like, yep, I'll come on,
sweat shirt and all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
It ain't matter.

Speaker 5 (01:30:35):
But I know that I can relay the facts that
need to be said. I can talk to you about
the things. I can explain the law because this is
my set, this is what I do right, And if
everybody would get in that get just yeah, you know
you know how you had it when you it's a
drum beat, when you're in the pocket and you're like, ooh.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
It is a perfect song.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Somebody's paying the drums, some mody's playing about this music.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Did you feel it right there to me music? It's
late night, this show went. We just went after we
just went after dark right there. Because I'm saying you
can settle in that pocket and it is where you
be long.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
So everybody should find that spot, find that sweet spot.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Well, we appreciate you, Monique. Thank you for the work
that you do. Thank you for being our friend, thank
you for being brilliant. Thank you for challenging us, getting
pissed off with us. Sometimes sometimes I go on my
d MS and you cussing me out. But you is
always in love and I appreciate that love.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Y'all. I love both of you. Thank you so much
for having me all right. Thank you right in the pocket, Bob, Monique, You.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
Know, she has been right there with Don throughout this
whole process, so I wanted her to come on and
talk about it. I appreciate the fact that you brought
up Georgia Fort because you know, we can't allow the
sister who was part of those detained to be overlooked.
And then there are others who clearly their names need
to be stated.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
They need support. They probably need really serious.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah, really serious, because I was on a call, you know,
with folks from Minnesota and just listening to the stories
in the way that they're being feared, how they y'all
being financially terrorized, how the stores, like some of the
people can't even afford to pay they rent no more
because the Ice people have have labeled them certain things.

(01:32:42):
They got these podcasters. They go outside of the stores
where these people work, and now nobody is people are
scared to go to the store. It's like, it's just
it's a lot of things that they are dealing with
inside Minnesota. So I wanted to send some prayers out
to them, you know, because it's really it's really a lot,
you know, and that brings me to my I don't

(01:33:03):
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
We were talking about we were talking about Trump and
people who voted for Trump and friendships, and that was
gonna be my original. I don't get it, you know,
because I really I don't get why people don't understand
that we can't be friends if you voted in my humanity,
I don't even get like people make it seem like, oh, yo,
just because we don't agree, we should still be able

(01:33:26):
to be No, it depends on what we don't agree upon.
If you don't agree that a man dealing with a
twelve year old is raped, then we can't be friends.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
If you don't agree that a man telling on a
man because he's scared to go to jail is bad,
then we can't be friends.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
If you don't agree that a man who's the president
should treat everybody like a human being, then we don't
deserve to be friends. If you're trying to tell me
that certain people deserve to be thrown and beat and
shot and killed because you don't think they from this
country and all of that, you think that there's no
friendship path for me. So I don't understand why people

(01:34:04):
don't understand that, Like, why do people make it into
a big oh, we can't be cool, It's all right,
y'all come at people because they don't think. No, it's
not that I come at you. I just don't want
nothing to do with you. It's not that you don't
think like I think. It's just that you don't think
like I think. That someone who has integrity would think, right.
I don't want to be around anyone that lacks integrity.

(01:34:25):
But that was my first thing. But I was having
a conversation with a lot of guys, and it's always
been this Republican Democrat thing, Republican Democrat thing, friends that
I know, and like, they're the same people and they
don't do nothing for us, and this and that, and
I made I asked one of them a question. I said, well,

(01:34:47):
you said that they're the same people like you know.
You know, we've been working on a transition team with
the mayor Mandani right, and we've worked with a lot
of different governor officially, work with Jamoni Williams, we work
with Todd Share, we work with Tis James, We've worked
with Initial giftshit like, we've worked with people right, We've
been on the front lines with them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
We've seen them advocating.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
There's actual times where you might be able to say, hey,
we need these things for our community, these things a
going wrong in our community.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
We're able to get on the phone with them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
We would actually make things happen inside our community because
we have these relationships and we've been on the front
line and work with these people. And these are people
that we actually voted for and help get into these offices. Right,
So I asked them what Republicans can you call or
do you have a relationship with that can actually impact

(01:35:36):
your community, Because if you're saying that the same they
don't do. I know that you can call me, right,
you know you can call me, And I'm able to
have be able to call certain people, and there's other
people that can make those in our community.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
I'm not the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Only person that can make those calls in our community
that can get things done in our community, can have
people come out and say, hey, we need resources in
our community for the parks.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
We need to get a new park.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
You know they just built the gifts that just got
Highbridge Park done over. Like these things are happening because
of relationship. And it wasn't even me, it was my
brother Pop. Shout out to him. He throws a basketball
tournament in Highbridge, and he reached out to our thee
and said, hey, we need to get some new basketball
courts and some new rims, and they're supposed to do

(01:36:18):
to park over and.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Those are things that can act.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Those are tangible, you know, things that can happen that
I know happened with Democratic people that have been voted
in office. And I asked them, I said, what Republicans
are you able to reach out that you've seen do
things like that in our communities?

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Where do you have the relationship?

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
So when you're telling me they're all the same, it
doesn't even make sense to me because I've literally campaigned
and been on the front line with the Democratic officials
and elected officials. I've been on the front line with them,
and I've watched them get into office, and I'm able
to utilize them to help our communities. So tell me
where you can do that. So I don't get when

(01:36:57):
they keep saying that shit to me, because I don't
understand how you even rationalize that. I think it's a
it's some shit that they hear on the internet over
and over so much so they just repeat it. And
then what happens is when they need something done in
the community, they say they call me, and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
You know who I'm calling.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
I'm calling to somebody that's a democratic office to help you.
So when you tell me that, it's so it's so
asinine to me with friends of mine. So all these
people ain't doing nothing for us. They don't do nothing,
But you called me. And who the hell you think
I'm calling? Like, who you thinking? Who you think I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Call the help?

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
What's going on in the community When you say we
needed to do a block party and or lesson, we
need permits and we need to get all these things.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Who you think I'm gonna call and say, hey, we
wanted and some.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
People might feel like a permit or whatever. You know,
that's just one thing. But I know, like, for instance, my.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Relationship with Eric Adams was clearly very strange.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
But I can tell you that when I needed information,
people get arrested, and you know, stuff be happening in
New York with our friends, their kids and family members.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
There were people I could call in this administration.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
And in fact, in one instance I called about something
and even though the relationship was strained, he went and
looked into it himself to see what.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Was going on.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
It definitely does not exist that same way when I'm
in cities and places where there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Are people who are not Democratic leaders. That's just the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
It's just a reality. So that's what I'm trying to
How do we get tricked into believe in that dumb shit?
It's like, it doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
It doesn't make the Democrats, No.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
It doesn't make them perfectly, because we definitely have to
call them out. We have to, and it's some of
them that just ain't shit at all. But I'm just
trying to tell you, I don't know any Republican that
anybody that I know can call to get things happen
in outside our community. I don't know, And I know
the people that tell me that they don't know don't nobody.
And the closest person they might know to anybody with

(01:39:03):
their government is me. And you calling me to help
you with stuff, but telling me that the Democrats don't.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Do shit for you. It is the faust.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
So that's always the way that it is. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
You have families right now who have lost their children
who have said, you know, to some sort of state
sanctioned violence, and they've said I prior to this moment,
wasn't involved in a movement at all. I wasn't involved
in the movement matter. In fact, I thought that was
just some wax shit. They got nothing to do with me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
And now that I am.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Actually in the system and trying to navigate this system
to address whatever my child, my loved one, I am now.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Sharing the message don't wait until it's your child.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
I've heard that over and over again by families, and
so what often happens is that people don't see it
until they feel it. And you know, what we try
to fight for every day is that you won't have
to feel it and without holding you, without without judging

(01:40:13):
you for where you may or may not have been
ignorant to what it takes to like move the wheels.
And I get it because for most people, their position
is that they want.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
The whole pie.

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
They and we deserve that, and they would be right
to say that they're tied a piecemeal. They're tied at
these you know, short hand wins. They want real, deep,
systemic change, And I get that, and I understand it, and
I respect it, and I wish I, you know, could
be responsible for making all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
The changes at once.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
But I do know one thing there's a system that
exists in America where there are people who are in charge,
who get to make decisions about your lives, your children's lives,
and all of us collectively. And while there are people
who maybe working to change it dismantle it, I truly
do believe we're in a moment where.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
It's going to be a different thing that exists.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
While that is happening, still, this system has the ability
to really harm people, and we have to be engaged
in building and protecting at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
I have to, we have to, we can, we can't.
I keep saying it, and I'll say it again. I'm
tired of having, you know, symbolic wins. I'm tired of
having symbolism. I'm tired of dying on the cross. I'm
tired of not to take anything you know from the Bible.

(01:41:47):
But it's just just like, I want to see us
actually win something to where we actually benefit. I'm tired
of our leaders going out taking shots and he dying
at thirty, broken off out of I'm tired of those
levels of winds and moral victories. I'm tired of that.
I actually want us to be strategic. I actually want

(01:42:07):
to see us prosper I want to see evolved. I
want us to create generational wealth. I want us to
actually be able to thrive and live, you know, And
that's that's what I hope for. And I just think
in order to get there, we have to understand strategy,
and we got to put pieces in play. When you
play chess, you don't just come out with your first
piece and just try to get checkmate. No, you sacrifice

(01:42:30):
a pawn. You might have to sacrifice the night. You
have to push your porn. You got to move the
queen out the way. The queen might have to protect you.
Like this strategy, It just ain't you just go out
there and say no, I want it, no strategy. These
people are playing with strategy. They're playing chess and you
playing checkers. And this is why we keep losing, because
they're like, nah, I won't you just jump the piece.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Just go out there and fight face to fait. No,
they're not fighting you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Face to face because they know they can't beat you
face to face. So you playing by her Wilow said,
you playing by a set of rules that nobody even
playing by. You got a handbook, were rules that nobody
even playing by.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
No more and by the way, my son as bend it.
People say the system don't mean nothing, but they using it.
They are using this system.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
I want to end it. But a woman that I'm
working with shout out to Tan Adrian. We was having
this conversation today and she was talking about different cultures
and how they utilize this system and how she worked
with this, and she said, I daily watched different cultures
take this system and the welfare system and all these things,

(01:43:41):
and these people are profited and utilizing it. These billionaires
that you talk about, they've utilized this system. And we
telling our people that we need to pull ourselves up
our bootstraps and we don't need no.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Help from nobody else.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
And everybody else that actually is winning in America is
utilizing it, benefiting off everything in America except for us.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
And we built it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
And with that said, we've come to the end of
another episode. I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika D.
Marris and not gonna always be wrong, but we will
both always and I mean always be authentic.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
That's how we