Vote for what? Vote for who?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika d.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it's your boy my son in general, we
are your host of t M I.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration, name
new energy.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (00:14):
My song, Lennon, I am chilling Tmika the matter how
you feel.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm feeling good today because the Knicks then swept the
seventy sixers, So I should have my broom, but I
ain't got it right now.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Broom sweat meaning that they won all the games.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Right they won? That means first all the team didn't
win one game clean. Sweet as they.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Said, that's good.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Then what what is the difference between the next of
today and the next of losing yesterday?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
They've got a better team. Okay, that's good. You know
what it is.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's about gelling. As you go through the season, certain
players start to connect more. You know, you get used
to players, You understand your role. I think the Knicks
are understanding that running the offense to their center who
is big cat, you know him passing the ball, you
know people cutting without the ball. I think they realize

(01:13):
that just not having Brunson come down and try to
create something every play is the best strategy to win.
So I think they understand that and they play hard.
You know, they play really hard. Hard is one of
the heart and soul of the team.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
They got.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Al Rido comes off the bench, so they've created a
whole system of how they go and they got a
real deep bench. You know, yesterday they hit i want
to say, twenty thirty two three pointers, which is a record,
you know for them. So it's like you you talk
as the season goes on, this is what you hope
that as the playoff gets there, that you actually see

(01:47):
them mature and all the work they've done throughout the
season actually starts to manifest.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
So I think that's what's happening now.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Okay, so they got a better team. That's good because
I always said that their leadership, Dolan and all of them,
they have been involved in some real questionable, kind of
racist activities in the city. Not kind of very and
I always thought that the Knicks was just they were

(02:14):
like cursed because of their ownership. But if you say
this new team or whatever, it's good because let me
tell you, all the people who call me that, or
if I call somebody and they're in the middle of
watching the next game, honey, there is no conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
They're like, are not right?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
We win and win and win and win and win.
It So shout out to our public advocate Jamii Williams
that he has lived to see another day because the
poor man was going to really really not be with
us anymore if the next continue to that that our
city is winning because we are losing in so many

(02:54):
different ways.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
And so that's why you got to have a little
moment to celebrate something because you so much.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Shit going you do, and it's not just our city,
I state as well. But before we get into that,
let's just say that you're now in the final countdown.
Last week we started countdown, but you're in a final
countdown of your fiftieth birthday. How you feeling about the
big five old turn in half a century out here?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I mean, listen, man, when you look twenty one don't matter.
When you feel twenty one, it don't matter.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
You're only as old as you feel. And I embrace
the age because it comes with wisdom. Understand that I've
seen a lot a lot of people haven't seen and
experience and overcame a lot of different things. So I
definitely am grateful for that. But as far as you know,
the myth of age taking something from you, it hasn't
taken anything for me. You know, I'm embracing it. I'm

(03:51):
working out more, I'm a lot more healthier. You know,
I'm reading, I'm studying, I'm doing a lot of things
that comes with wisdom in age, you know. So, and
they say black Dom crack man. I just I drink
water and I mind my business. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, okay, drinking water, minding your business.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Some would say it's not you're not being one hundred
percent honest because you mind people's business all the time.
And that is for a good reason, though I will
I mean I.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Don't really mind people's mind.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I mind the business that I mind the business of
people who's minding people's business most because I work for
the people, so the people be my business. So when
you're doing things to fuck with the people, now you
become a target. You can't fuck with the people on my.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Watch, Well, listen on behalf of the TMI family.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Happy birthday my son fifty. We need sound.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Effects to the people the projection team. Yeah, Janice who
Ing ing ing ing ning Ning Nan what ooh, fifty,
that's what's up. I pray to God that he will
keep me for the next few years to make it

(05:11):
to fifty and then fifty more and even more than that.
But I want to live a quality life, you know,
I do. I want to live a quality life. I
don't want to be one hundred and two and I'm
somewhere and all my bones is broke down and everything hurts,
and nobody cares about me, and people don't even come
by to see you or talk to you anymore because

(05:33):
they're people who live a long time and the end
of their life is not the best quality, you know.
So I want I'm asking God not just for one
hundred years or more before one hundred quality years of life,
you know where it's not me just kind of wasting
away waiting on time. But you know that's still my

(05:54):
friends and my family and people who I love that
are still here for those hundred years, that they will
be able to share time together, spend time, that we'll
be able to watch, you know, a better world too,
because the society that we currently live in, I don't
know that any.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Of us are going to be here.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I really seriously do not know what is going to
happen to us based upon how this nation is right
now and really the world, and now the haunt of
virus is moving around. And I'm not trying to do
the panic thing and all of that, but it is
very concerning that there's now a virus, you know, that

(06:32):
threatens all of us that they're saying it is so
it's so contagious, and not just be trying to understand
because rats, we're running around New York our entire lives
like we.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
That's rats. We know rats. So help me understand, please, people,
how all of a sudden the.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Rats come to be some it creates some type of
virus that creates a respiratory issue and you die.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Now know for a fact that.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Rodents have always caused respiratory issues, and that's why asthma
rates are so high in places that have lots of
rats and mice and all of that.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
So I do know that to be true.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
But to now here that they can kill you within
a certain amount of hours or days, it's like crazy.
So that's yet another thing. And you can't necessarily blame
that on the government, But I can tell you one thing.
You would hope that there would be functioning, Departments of Health,
of functioning, CDC, of functioning, whatever entity is necessary to

(07:38):
come help the human services.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And kind of tell you what's going on.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
To get people prepared, tell people what to do, wash
your hands, take care of yourself, how to clean up,
or whatever you know. But then again, I would be
asking that of an administration that has a.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Leader in the president who told people during COVID to
drink bleach. Yes, lord, that's what he said.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
So anyway, speaking of this crazy nation and of what
we're talking about, the excuse me, the state in New York,
that's actually what we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
So just to get folks an update.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I know it's been a few weeks and last week
we talked about it on the show, but I want
to make sure that I talk about what happened since
last week's show with the tolls in New York State.
And so for those people who are just listening for
the first time, you don't know much about this particular issue.

(08:36):
We at Until Freedom, the organization that my son and
I are co founders of, have decided that we're going
to take on the fight to address predatory toll charges
for New York State citizens. You know, I personally have
been affected by this by getting a bill just a

(08:58):
couple of weeks ago for two tolls that obviously my
easy Pass didn't read it, and what should have been
two hundred two dollars each ends up with a fifty
dollars administration fee on top of everything else.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I think it's predatory.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think that, first of all, we've been told that
the assessment for the fees, the administrative fee or whatever
it is, the fifty dollars would not be charged until
sixty to ninety days after you initially go through the
toll and you get your bill by mail. But we
found out through the information that I now have, that

(09:40):
that is not the case, that a two dollars toll
resulted in a fifty dollars fee within just a two
week timeframe that it was mailed to me. And so
that means that even from the very very beginning of
your easy pass not working or there being some discrepancy
maybe with a card, you are already being assessed a

(10:03):
fee of fifty dollars, and some people are saying that
it could be sixty dollars, and there are other fees
based upon a number of scenarios and again, it's predatory
because my issue was three hundred and seventy seven dollars
worth of tolls, resulted in another sixteen hundred dollars in fees,

(10:23):
which means that ultimately I would be spending over two
thousand dollars for a three hundred and seventy seven dollar bill.
That is unacceptable. And now I am pleased to say
that it took me a few weeks. It took us
a few weeks because there was so many different phone
calls and trying to figure out who carries all the bills.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because this is.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Not something that the city can handle or that is
a stroke of a pen.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's not that simple.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
It actually is something well, it could be let me say,
it could be that the governor would get involved and
would use the power of her office to address the issue.
Now what her power, the full extent of her power,
I cannot say exactly what that is, but I know
that the governor.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Could be engaged.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I have heard from a number of legislators that they
have reached out and they unfortunately have not been able
to make headway in terms of addressing this issue at
the governor's level. There are other individuals who have sent
directly to the Attorney General and others within the state
who have the power to investigate this matter, and have

(11:36):
asked for there to be an investigation immediately. With that
being said, what we have done is to pull together
the majority. I think we're missing one individual, which is
Senator Martinez, but of all the other people who have bills,
legislative items that they are pushing to get passed that

(11:58):
would immediately change this issue of the additional fee. It
would also implement some other changes in terms of real
checks and balances on this particular company which, by the way,
the company is a contractor that won in URFP to

(12:19):
run the tolling system for New York State, and based
upon the information that we have found the company's name
is Conduit, that they are also running tolling systems at
other places in other states around the country. We also
found that the state of New Jersey got rid of them.
They sued New Jersey for maybe a breach of contract

(12:42):
or for ending the contract early, and New Jersey won
that case. And therefore Conduit will be out as of
two thousand and twenty seven and they will no longer
be running the New Jersey tolling system. So we are
unraveling all the things. Another day, another show. I'll talk

(13:02):
to you all about what we found out about Condoit's
owners and what those companies have been involved in. But
the bottom line is that this particular company, these are
the fees that they are assessing, that this is being
ran through a process you know which one. It was
an RFP, which means that they applied to be the

(13:23):
main company to run the tos in New York State.
They want it and therefore in their contract all of
these things are laid out, including these fees, and so
you know, more to come. We are planning the first
town hall meeting where people will be able to hear
from some of the folks who are working on this.
So far, we're in touch with Assemblyman Landon Dyas, who

(13:46):
is my brother you know. Also he's from New York,
New York City, George Alvarez. He is also an assembly member.
And I want to give a special shout out to
assembly Woman Chantel Jackson, and I simply remember Khalil Anderson
who have been helping to sort of put all the
pieces together, and of course our Deputy Speaker Natasha Williams,

(14:08):
who was the original person to bring everybody, put us
on one chat and say, let's figure out how do
we address this issue. So that's my update, y'all. We're
on it until freedom is staying at the center of
this until we are able to come up with the solution.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
My little two thousand dollars is.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Nothing in comparison to people who are saying fifty thousand
dollars in fees, or that they've lost their license, they've
lost their their plates have been taken from them. They
have lost so much around this issue, and it's not acceptable.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So that's where we are.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, it's a lot, man.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I've experienced some harm at the hands of this toe situation,
and I don't even know because I pretty much had
like automatic pay. But I constantly keep seeing that they
said that I owe them, you know, well, and it's
my old easy pass, it's not even my current easy pass,
and it's like, I don't owe you anything, you know.
So unfortunately, you know, these people are ripping us off

(15:09):
and they should be the next people to get Rico charges.
Y'all get Rico charges for everything else. But I think
these people are definitely running the scam. They're running the
Ponzi scheme at the highest level.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
If you ask me, yes, absolutely it is.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It is a conspiracy and it's a whole lot of
people involved, and as far as we concern, we just
building a table to see who's with us, because whoever
is unwilling to show up to be with us to
fight this.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Then we got a question, how do you benefit.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
From the people getting the people being.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Jerked from the situation staying the same. And somebody might say, well,
what does that mean? Explain that to me, Well, it
means that, you know, they're lobbyists, and lobbyists make money,
and there's donations to people's campaigns and their political offices,
and therefore sometimes that controls how folks will not speak

(16:01):
on certain issues. So let's see, you know who knows sure.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So let's get into my thought of the day.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Last weekend I posted a video of Sonya son Sonya song.
Let me make sure I say it right, the brilliant,
amazing talented actress. You may know her from The Wire,
from the Shy, from what is the New Thing Will Trent,
which is a new show that Janis was.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Telling me about.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
And you know, she is an amazing, amazing, amazing talented actress.
And so when I saw her talking about what's been
happening with the voting rights issue of last week, that
we all got hit with black folks around the country,
matter of fact, around the world, because I had some
black people hit me from a different country saying, Yo,

(16:51):
what is going on, Like this is absolutely crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Of course they are Americans who moved abroad.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
But people are like, it's very that when you start
attacking our voting rights, there's a reason for that. And
you know, I just want to say at the onset
that the whole reason why they fought to keep us
from having voting rights is because they knew that through
our ability to control representatives, to control budgets, to control

(17:18):
political power, that we would change our situation from being
a gem pro damn near enslaved people to where we
are today.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
And while many people.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
May say, well, we don't feel that we've actually advanced enough,
and I agree with that, there's no way that you
can sit by and say that you don't know. There's
a difference between when we had to drink at separate
water fountains or when we were being bulldozed, beaten by
with billy clubs, and eaten by dogs because we had

(17:51):
the right, or because we dared to exercise our rights
to speak our minds, or to protests, or to have
anything to say that we were boys and girls white
folks in this country and where we are today is
not the same place.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
And so if she was.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Speaking about the frustration, her video was very passionate, and
she said a lot of things, and you can listen
to a clip of it here in the show, or
you can go and check it out for yourself.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's on my pages on her page. Very passionate.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
What did I say? And I don't know if you
all much fucking realizted by now, but you can't vote
your way out of this, all right, there's no voting
your way out of this, okay, because I'm tired. I'm
mucho tired of process and tied of talking, tired of
doing this shit, and tied of voting. But that's all
my god right, wrong, Okay, I vote? Well happened because

(18:44):
what we can't revote? Listen, let me tell you something.
The difference here is in the last sixty seventy years,
the only change it's ever come because of folks starting
to revote.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
And what is it?

Speaker 5 (18:56):
You push us to a point where we've got to
do some shit that makes you rid of us. And
that's usually something that ends up in some sort of violence. Right,
even if we're sitting.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Down at counters, laying down on the ground, they coming.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
With the fire hoses and the dogs.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
So there's the violence.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
But meanwhile, no, listen, I'm ready, I'll sit I'll sit
on the street.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Let's go and I'll sit down.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Let's shut some governmental shit down. You know what I mean.
Works all over the world.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
You know what they do.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
They just slow the fuck down. People just slow down
and stop working. But you know what it is about
this little gentle generation. Here's the problem with you motherfuckers.
You like your comfort too much. See, he's too close
to the system. So you want to protect your peace. Yeah,
you gotta protect your piece until you behind boys and
this noose around your neck and go.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Like, oh shit, how did that happen? You can't boundary
yourself out of this.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
You get to come to the table, baby, we gonna
have to do some shit. Okay, we're gonna have to
do some shit. We don't have to sacrifice, understand me,
because we got to build a new system.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
One of the things that you know, she says in
this clip that you all just heard is that we're
not going to be able to vote our way out
of this. We won't be able to vote our way
out of this. And my thought of the day today.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Is surrounding this.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
The reason why I posted that video and wanted to
stay focused on my particular caption, which is that a
lot of people have been asking where's Tamika and when
is she going to start doing what Tamika does, which
is to organize mobilize, which, by the way, we're organizing
and mobilizing every day. We may not be talking about

(20:39):
it as much public facing, but there's work happening. In fact,
I think I'm probably working harder than I've worked in
a long, long, long long time in my life, and
I have worked hard my whole life. And so this
has been a very very very very very highly intense
time period in terms of the meetings, the calls, the

(21:00):
going to spaces, meeting in basements, meeting wherever we have
to meet to talk about what is happening to our
people in this time. And so it's not that I
haven't been meeting, it's not that I haven't been mobilizing,
It's not that have been organizing. It's also not that
I haven't been speaking, because we obviously have been coming
to folks every week talking about these issues on this

(21:20):
show and other things that I've been doing. But in
terms of, you know, holding the public press conferences and
some of the things that folks are used to, I
have not been as vocal for a reason, and you
can read that in the caption because that's what I
talk about. And I did not want to divert from

(21:41):
my message on this past weekend, and so I left
it without addressing this thing, which is we're not going
to be able to vote our way.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Out of it.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Because I thought about writing something to say, well, I
agree with everything that's being said here, but this picular
point I want to make additional. I want to make
additional statements about I didn't do it. I said I'll
do it on the show. I want us to understand
that there is a balance between what Sonya is saying.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
And also what we have to do. I don't think
that she's saying we shouldn't vote.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Now correct me if I'm wrong, says please, But I
don't think she's saying we should not vote, that our
vote does not have power I think what she's saying
is that even if we all vote, even if Section
two of the Voting Rights Act was not gutted, which
essentially has canceled the Voting Rights Act period, even if

(22:45):
that didn't happen where we are in this time, it
will take more than all of us just showing up
to vote. That will not be the solve for this issue.
Because I want us to be very very mindful that
saying we will not be able to vote our way
out of this does not.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Mean that voting is not a tool for progress.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
What we have to understand and be able to hold
is that voting alone is not enough. That means we
must protest, we must boycott, we must vote, we must educate,
and we must build our own all of those things,
and I'm sure there are other brilliant people who can

(23:33):
add a six, seven, eight or nine. But all of
those things work in conjunction with one another. What we
are up against and what we're fighting, what some of
us are fighting, and what some of us recognize to
be a massive, major crisis and attack.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Against our communities.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
It is not something that one tool alone will solve
or be.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
The snap your finger and it's over.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
And we go back to a normal that some of
us were used to by the way many of us
were fighting against that normal. We're at a place now
where we will never return back to where we were.
We will never just pop back into a twenty twenty three,

(24:26):
a twenty twenty two, a twenty twenty one, a twenty
twenty whatever society. This society has changed drastically, and some
of us are committed to the fight enough that just
like those who fought to get the Voting Rights Act passed,
those who fought for our civil rights, for our dignity

(24:49):
and for our respect, that they did that work at
a different time, we are now responsible for fighting to
not just restore, but also to progress even more, to
expand and to secure the rights that we have had
and what we are going to build today. And so

(25:11):
I want folks not to take that statement that voting
is not going to get us out of this as
an end all, be all. What it means is that
you have to also look at every tool in your
box and use those tools as well. And that means again,

(25:31):
stop spending your money with people who are participating in
the assault against our communities. If people are laying off
most of their black employees, if people have isolated the women,
if people are supporting Donald Trump and his policies, if
people have come forward these companies and said that we

(25:53):
now support an ending to diversity, equity and inclusion. And
by the way, y'all know of a miss bullion other
things that these companies are doing that are not It's
not healthy, is not good for our communities. If you
see that happen and pull your resources. If you see
groups organizing against a particular brand or particular company, pull

(26:17):
your resources back and join the community of those who
are standing up for.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
What is right. That is our job.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
We are very powerful people who have one point five
trillion dollars. We don't need we don't need allies, we
don't need anybody. We can just pull our money and
it will work. So we vote, and we definitely boycott,
and we must protest because somebody has to know. People
have to hear all over the land that we are

(26:50):
not okay, we are not comfortable with what we see
happening here, and we're not going to take it laying down.
We also must educate our children, our families. Their banned books.
They're trying to change history. It is our responsibility to
be educating ourselves on what is happening, and also going
back freshening up on the past and what our people

(27:11):
sacrifice in order for us to get here today. And
then of course there's a movement of people who are
talking about building your own making sure that we have
our own communities, our own resources, that we pull our resources,
that we support one another, that we build our businesses,
that we fund our businesses, that we take care of

(27:33):
one another. And that is a strategy that we cannot
move forward without being focused on each and every one
of us. And so all of those things together make
up the work that has to accompany voting. That you
must vote so that you can choose who leeds your communities,
so that you can put people in power, hire and

(27:55):
fire them. But then you have to employ other parts
of the strat be too, ensure that we are getting
a wholistic approach to fighting for the rights of black
people in this nation.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
I mean, that's pretty much the nuts and bolts of it,
you know.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
But I think for me is that we have these
conversations right they have been brilliant Black people, you know,
who have talked about for years about us building our
own right and how we need to not be dependent.
You know a lot of people say we should have
never wanted integration. We were better off by ourselves than reconstruction.
They talk about, you know, how we owned our own land,

(28:35):
how we owned our own companies, we was businesses, we
govern our They talk about all those things, but they
always regret to talk about or neglect to speak about,
how those things came to end. They didn't just come
to embOS most We didn't just say yo, you know what,
we don't no longer want to do this, no this system.

(28:56):
These evil people destroyed these things. Right, There was planned
effort to destroy all the things that we build, and
they did it every time, and we constantly rebuild it.
But I think at this point we have to figure
out how do we rebuild it.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
And make it so that they can't destroy it.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Right if we keep building some shit and they just say, okay,
we're just gonna let them go over there and build it.
Because we went to Palestine, right, and I was listening
to one of the officers we had actually had an
Israeli officer who is one of our gods, and he
pretty much broke down the strategy. He said that What

(29:36):
happens is they have these people inside the pretty much
concentration camps, and they be in their building, you know,
and they don't say nothing for a while, and when
they get quiet and they believe that they're building up,
they come in and destroy it for no reason. Nobody's
done anything, but they come in and just destroy it.
It's pretty much like the strategy right now that US

(29:58):
has with Iran. Not that their threat, not that they
have any nuclear weapon's, none of those things. We just
don't want you to be comfortable enough. We don't want
you to get situated, We don't want you to rebuild
your country enough. We don't want you to have any
level of comfortability and power to where you can do
anything to strike back at us. And that is the

(30:18):
strategy that America has for black people inside of America.
It's the same strategy once what started happening. If you look,
if you look at the pattern, every one hundred years,
they disenfranchised black people. That's what happened in Tosa. If
you look at one hundred years, it's the same pattern
because they know within one hundred years a civilization of
people can rebuild themselves, right and when you look at

(30:42):
they this is why everything is all INtime. Democrats. The
Democrats is the worst thing in the world. Democrats is
not the best thing in the world.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
But I know this. I know if you.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Asked me to choose between a place where there's ten
thousand black people in a place where there's five hundred,
I'm going with ten thousand black people, because even if
all of them don't got my best interest in hand,
I know some of them do. I know more often
than not, it's more than the five hundred that Joab
got over there that don't even speak or come from

(31:13):
where I come from. But what they'll do is in
order to disenfranchise us. They did everything. This is what
this whole election was about, to disenfranchise black people. When
you listen to Rachel Maddows, she broke it down. There's
a concerted effort to destroy black people, to take power away.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
From black people.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
They when they got this Second Amendments to take power
away from black people. So cool, we don't need to
do have one strategy. We were not gonna be able
to vote our ways out. But we have to understand now,
we have to look at the mistakes that we've made
in the past. The thing that we didn't do right,
we have to say, okay, what we have to do
now as we build, because this is one thing that

(31:52):
I will give the Jews. They say never again, and
what they do what never again is they build mechanisms
so that you don't they're not allowing you to do
that to them again. They put their people in certain
positions in power around this country. They voted for their country,
they made sure they made money, and they fortified their
own people, and they got people advocating for their people.

(32:14):
They got people in the right places advocating for their people.
So if we're not following those strategies, if we just
keep saying, y'all, we're not gonna go do this. We
we got to get our own. We don't need no
we're inside of America. America has a system. If we
don't figure out how do we circumvent the system, how
do we create a system within the system, how do
we beat that system, we just keep we just going

(32:36):
along on the rat on the rat wheel, you know,
and it's stupid.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
So I'm just saying, yes, do what we have to do.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Let's vote right, let's build our own, let's do all
the things, let's march this protests. Let's put people in power,
but let's build a mechanism to counter the mechanism that
they have that's destroying us. Because I don't see nothing
for that right now. I see we got people who
pot to every day all black people need to do this,
and why don't you do this? And we got the

(33:04):
preachers they going to ours, let's build our own? So
why are you not doing it? Why all of these people?
We have all these brilliant minds that tell black people
how to do all these things every day.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I hear them and then I look and I.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Say, Okay, well, where's the stuff that they've built that
models what they telling us to do as a conglomerate
right as millions of us? Why haven't they done that
with hundreds of them? Why having the people telling us, yo,
we need to build our own Why haven't you showed
us a model? But the only model that I've seen
up to this point, what's abliz your mom is the

(33:37):
Nation of Islam. They're the only people who have modeled
what they're telling us that we should do as black people.
They're building their own farms, they have their own situation within,
They've built a network within their own so outside of them,
people telling us to do something that haven't done it.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
It's just like for me, I don't want to keep
hearing that.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Because you have the strategy, you have the money, you
have the resources, you have the connections, show us go
build these schools, build a hospital. You said we need,
you said we don't. We don't want target build our own. Hey,
this is our own supermarket that we're building for us,
and we need you to invest in it. I want
to start seeing those things. I don't want to keep

(34:16):
hearing lip surface. I don't want to keep telling people
what doesn't work. Oh, we're going out there and we're
voting for people and were putting people in power. Oh,
black faces and high places don't mean nothing, So show
us what means something. You know, we we've brought, we've
brought into this narrative that our people are the worst
are our worst enemy, because that's what they tell us.

(34:38):
Oh the black people that's getting high places, just selling
you out. It don't make sense to vote for them.
Oh and I said, well why why why do you
believe that if I don't vote for a black person,
that I vote for a white person, that they got
my best interest with Why? Why why do you believe
that you're telling me that I shouldn't vote for these people,
but I should vote for that Why?

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Why? Why do I believe that the black.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Person that comes where I'll come from went through the
same struggle that I that I've went through, don't have
my best interest?

Speaker 4 (35:06):
But I just I'm on a wing and a prayer.
This white man that don't know nothing.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
About me, who's who's whose life has been comfortable, who
actually benefits off my demise? It's gonna do something for me,
you know, So that we we just keep running around
in this circle. And this is what I'm getting tired.
I'm just getting tired of the circle. I'm getting tired
of us always reacting and never being proactive. Right because
we know that these people are gonna do this. We

(35:30):
know that once we get a certain amount of power,
because history shows us this, we know that once we
get a certain amount of power, that they're gonna disenfranchise us.
So what is the what is the strategy for making
sure that that can't happen?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
What ischise? Well?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
They but they've they've succeeded because we've still yet to
ever go past two percent.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Of the wealth in America. We've never we have yet
to exceed that.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
We still don't own any major corporations that produces anything
that's necessity for somebody to survive around this world.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
We don't have any of these things.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
We still don't even have our own that we could
just feed to our own people that they don't have
to go to some other corporation that's not owned by us.
We don't have nothing like that for us anywhere. So
we can say that they're trying to, but they've actually
done an excellent job.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
You know. That's one thing I agree with Kanye. I don't.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I don't agree with Kanye about a lot of things,
but he's saying when he said, you don't know the answer,
and he was wrong because Sway had the answers. But
he did say there's a ceiling. They not gonna let
you be Walt Disney. They're not gonna let you be spilled.
They're not gonna let you get there because they are
intentional about the minute that they see you on that trajectory,
they're going to stop you. You're gonna be a rapist,

(36:45):
You're gonna steal money from your own people.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
If you're a leader you done, stole, you do anything.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
They know how to diminish you to the point where
they completely separate you from your people and they make
you a scarlet letter once you get you reached that thing.
So how do we stop that? Because they don't, they
don't have that problem. We sitting there, We could say
Trump is in Epstein files. They got, they got, they
got all the proof in the world. We can say pedophile, rapists, everything.

(37:14):
They don't give a fuck. Those are their leaders. They
follow them, behind them. They're gonna die on the cross
behind them. The soon as they say one bad thing
about somebody who's done nine hundred and ninety nine million
good things for black people, we disown them. They're the
worst people in the world. Oh and that's just that's
just the strategy. That's what they've done through to us

(37:35):
through our history. So what are we going through to
combat that? Because if we not combat and that, everything
else is a mute point. Everything else is mute, We're
gonna keep going back to the same shit. So how
do we combat that?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Well, I think that I understand what you're saying about.
When we say build our own I think it's two
different things. Because there's building your own, like you said, hospitals,
you know, take our money, pull it together so we
can have our own communities, so we can you know,
have our own schools. That's building our own But I
hear you talking about building a political engine within our community.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Because because.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Right, because the politics still control the things, like you
could build anything you want, but you still want to
pay taxes based upon the tax hold that they decide
for whomever decides based upon who gets voted into into
federal office or you know.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Of course this is they eliminated the whole civil rights
section of the Department of Justice. That's crazy, right, and
civil rights we're focused on black people. There's no more
Civil Rights division and Department of Justice there.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
So this is.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
So this is a real serious conversation because there are
a lot of people who are now saying, we've got
to find a way to move beyond on the Democratic Party.
We've got to find a way not to be depending
on the Democratic Party. And I think that's a broader conversation,
but it is one that comes up all the time

(39:15):
because we do have to have and I'm from the
mindset that it's not just about moving away from the
Democratic Party, but it is all. It is absolutely about
us taking seriously that any one of us can run
for office within the party.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
We can run.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
We can literally, if I wanted to, I could run
for one of the positions that it is the leadership
of the of the organization. And as with anything, whether
it's the city council, the state, Senate, you know, the
federal government Congress, of course, you know, Senate, all of that.

(40:00):
As much as people are actually involved, I'm not talking
about you vote on election day.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Showing up at conventions, showing up at the meetings that
happen regionally, participating, making sure your voices are heard. That
is how you actually turn something from the inside out.
It is time whether and I listen, if black people,
If ten million black people tomorrow said we're going to

(40:35):
start this party or we're moving to whatever, changing our
registration to independent or whatever, I'm going with the ten
million because I'm gonna take my chances with y'all. I
can always change back if I need to, but I'm
going with the ten million. However, what I know is
that it takes organization to make that happen. People have

(40:55):
to be focused on making sure that we have a
platform that we can move people together as a group.
And I think that I think we also have to
understand that numbers are almost like dollars, right, So the
more people we have, the more that we actually have

(41:16):
a possibility of something real.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And so I'm for all the thoughts and all.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
The ideas, but I do understand that it is going
to tape all the thoughts and all the ideas and
then all of us choosing what those things are and
really focusing on them and organizing and not just being
the talking heads that discuss it to your point, but
actually helping to get the work done that would be

(41:42):
required in order to move in whatever direction that we're
traveling in.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
What I have a whole lot to say, but I'm
gonna come back to that from I don't get it,
so carry.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
All right, So listen, here's our big topic of the day.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
You know, I hate to do it, but it's got
to be done because we hold everybody accountable as much
as we can people in this political space as we should,
and we got to talk about the whole pot. This
is for my progressive brothers and sisters. Over the last week,

(42:20):
we know that the Voting Rights Acting.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Really really hit hard. I mean, it really hit hard.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
For those of us who are students of history, we
know what this means. And I also know that there
are black people who are not that far removed from
the sixties when they were standing shoulder to shoulder, or
at least we're young people watching their parents go out fight, bleed,

(42:49):
die for us to have our right to vote. And
so this has caused people a lot of pain. And
with it's in our progressive movement right that I am
a part of, I feel there is a deafening silence.

(43:11):
Now some people are gonna say, what do you mean
a definite silence? I spoke on it, you know. Oh,
I feel and believe that this is an issue and
something that we need to be fighting for. Or they
will say I didn't know what to say, which is
what we hear all the time. Now, I want to
say to one particular person today, which is Senator Bernie Sanders.

(43:37):
You know, obviously Bernie Sanders is a rock star to many,
and I appreciate so much. How Bernie Sanders has probably
been one of the most just the most vigorous individuals
to raise the concerns of the working class people, to

(44:00):
raise concerns of just everyday's citizens, and also to challenge
his colleagues.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
On their bs and I do mean his colleagues.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Across the aisle, to challenge them on their policies and
just their attitudes towards the American people and how it
has negatively impacted us and what they are doing to
our entire society. I forgive Bernie Sanders credit for that
we hear them on progressive issues. I support much of

(44:33):
what Bernie's platform is all about.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And all of that, but I have always.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Been one to say, you know you and I have
had this conversation many times that I do not hear
Bernie Sanders speaking enough directly to and about the challenges
that black people experience specifically.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Why do I.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Think that he should be talking about black issues specifically,
is because until our issues are addressed, nothing else in
this nation will move. You must go to the people
who have been harmed at the highest and the deepest
levels in this nation, and that would be us. And

(45:17):
if you try to start with the whole pie, or
you try to address one particular group over black people,
it will never happen.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
The original sin of this nation is actually two original sins.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Is to kick dirt on the Indians who were already here,
the people who were native to this land. And it
is the sin of bringing us over here, trafficking black
people or Africans from Africa over here to America and
exploiting us to build this nation for their riches, for

(45:55):
their wealth, for their families, enslaving us, beating us, raping us,
and doing all the things that happen to us.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Those are original sins.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
And until the original sins are addressed, there's nothing that
you can do for anybody else. However, I'm all for
people having platforms that includes the masses and includes all people.
I have an issue that I have not in to date,
and I'm open to anyone out here who can show

(46:24):
me where Bernie Sanders has been out on his public
circuit in the last week, because he moves around.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
This is a man who is at every event. And
you would imagine.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
That Bernie Sanders is so much of you up and
age that he would be in the house.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
He'll be in the house, He's everywhere where.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Are you speaking on the assault against the right for
black people to vote and to control our own communities
and to make decisions and have our own autonomy.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
In this nation. Where are you? I have not heard enough,
I have.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Not seen and not just Bernie, Where are the Bernie Bros?
The Bernie family? Where are they speaking out? And guess
what these are people that I know because I've witnessed
it a million times every comment section. They know how
to make posts, videos, everything that you could think of,
until their voices are spread out everywhere. And I don't

(47:24):
know that Josh the Progressive or Jolly Good Ginger, that
either of them are labeling themselves as Bernie Bros. So
I don't want to put them in that, but I
do want to give a shout out to those two
white men for having a whole lot to say about
the attack on our voting rights right. And so this

(47:44):
is not to say that nobody is doing it. I'm
saying that the movement, the progressive movement in general, has
been awfully quiet for this last week as we have
watched one of the greatest setbacks of the black experience
in this nation since we came here. For He had
died here to be all that we have been able

(48:06):
to be in to accomplish all that we have accomplished.
And I have a serious issue with that. I hear
people all the time who say they didn't want to
vote for and also still to today, they're not lovers
of Mayor mum Donnie because he is a Democratic Socialist
and they know that the socialist movement has not addressed

(48:28):
enough Black people and Black people's concerns specifically. And I said,
you know what I'm going to go in. We're going
to try to work with Maya Mundonnie and really get
to to make sure that his platform includes our issues
up front.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
And we have been doing that.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
But I do understand the challenges that folks are speaking
about when it comes to the DSA and how our communities,
how black communities have been largely ignored. We've been sidelined
in the conversation many times.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I know what I feel it.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I've seen it. I've seen it in organizing spaces, and
so when people say that, you know, they feel a
way about the DSA, I can't get all that upset.
Although I know that there are people within the DSA
that's our family that fight for us every single day,
the overall movement has an issue with Black people in

(49:23):
this nation, and now we are we're talking about progressives
in general and the issues that exist there, and so
I just want I want to make sure that you know,
we put it on the table.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I will.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I also have to say I watched AOC in a
speech that she made recently where she was talking about
the Voting Rights Act. She was talking about the assault
on black folks. She was talking about the oppression, the
constant oppression and what black people deal with, and she
was speaking g she was talking good as we say,

(49:58):
you know, and I'm glad to know that she is
conscious enough to bring that to the forefront and to
use her voice.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
But we also need everybody to come out into the
streets with us, to organize with us, to send resources.
You've got groups that are.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Working and organizing and planning every single day to mobilizing
to resist what you see happening across the Southern States
with fifty five to sixty five percent of black people
are so this is intentional. They are trying to disenfranchise
the largest concentration of African Americans living in this nation

(50:37):
at once with these new changes to the Voting Rights Act,
like gutting Section two, which means that they have basically
weakened the entire Voting Rights Act.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
And we are starting at square one with it right.
So there are people who.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Are mobilizing every day speaking of that on May sixteenth,
all roads lead to the South. Voters Matter and a
number of groups. I'm not gonna get myself in trouble
for naming everybody, but Black Voters Matter has been holding
the organizing structure of a May sixteenth.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
On your birthday.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
This coming Saturday, a major mobilization taking place in Alabama,
in Montgomery, Alabama, where people are showing up to get
their marchin orders, showing up to say we are pissed off,
we ain't laying down, we ain't going back. And with
that being said, the resources from these major progressives should

(51:34):
be flowing in Black.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Voters Matter and others Woke vote.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Our sister Dwana Thompson has been one of the key organizers,
and again there are a number of others. Melanie Campbell
of course, of the National Coalition of Black Civic Participation.
Their phone should not stop ringing with people who are
sending money, sending everything that they can, buses to help
people get to Montgomery. And then we have other events

(51:58):
that are being laid out of campaigns and efforts that
will be coming up immediately following. This is a summer
of resistance. It is a freedom summer for us. We
will not sit down and roll over and say that
we can't do anything about it or there's nothing that
we can do to fight for ourselves.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
We know that's not true, but we.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Need our people who say they are our allies to
be real allies. If you are somebody who is a
member of the Arab community in Palestine, has been a
major issue for you, and you came and walked alongside
Black people who were with you and standing up against
the genocide happening to your people, now is the time.

(52:40):
Now is the time to say the voting rights issue
is one that we must absolutely stand with our allies
in the black community, our accomplices in the black community,
and do the work. I'm also glad to say that
Lendisarsol gave us a call the other day and said, hey,
we've got things going on.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
For the next two point fifty, which is the.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Campaign organizing around the next two hundred and fifty years
of America as we approach the first two hundred and
fifty years. And she said, change the program, put anything
you want in the program. Let's mobilize our people around
this particular issue of the Voting Rights Act. So I'm
saying a lot, but I'm making a serious plead that

(53:25):
it is very difficult for those of us who work
alongside and collaborate with the progressive movement on a normal,
on an everyday basis to be able to justify that
there is not a complete turnout of every news show,
of online social media, and even in the streets to

(53:47):
stand for us when we are experiencing one of the
hardest blows to the rights that our ancestors fart and
died for us to have. And so I don't think
that in me means that all is lost, but I
do know that we needed to have a check in
on this, a check in with our guts, the instinct.

(54:08):
Why is it that we have to make this clarion
call and where are people standing up for us and
saying we're going to do the same work for you
that we have asked you to join us and doing
for other issues, even when those issues did not directly
necessarily impact us as black people in the same ways
that it impacts other communities.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
So yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
You know, when you talk about the Democratic Socialists, I
see that, And then you talk about just the progressives
in general, how for the most part they don't sit
behind and get behind the directly black affected issues, and
that's definitely an issue.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
What I will say is this, like you.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Said, even when we talk about Mandani, right, we know
that there are all black people inside that camp that
are pushing that.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
We know that you are pushing it.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
You know that, I'm we know that there are people
that are at the table that have the respect and
have the ear of the man, that have the opportunity
to present certain things where there might be blind sized
I think when you think about overall, you know, I
was always a big Bernie fan, but I noticed that
he was very reluctant to speak on black issues, right.

(55:21):
And I think that what I've realized and that most
people have realized, is that America is more racist than anything.
America does not like black people. Doctor King said, well,
let me. I'm gonna read the quote because I was
literally just sitting there reading the quote just now. Doctor
King said this, This was his exact words, and I'm
gonna read it right now because I was just I'm

(55:43):
sorry to say that the vast majority of white Americas
are racists either consciously or subconsciously.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
And I believe that. And they don't even realize they're racists.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
And the fact is, when you bring up totally black
is this is what this is what has utilized Trump
has utilized that. The fact that even the people that
sit around with black people all day and they cool
with them and this and that and you know all
of that, they're racist. They want white people to be
in positions of parts. They even if they want good stuff,

(56:16):
they want nice things. They want to be socially accepted.
They have empathy. They don't want you to hurt black people.
They don't want black people to be in positions of power.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
They don't want it. They don't. They don't think black
people are equal to them. They don't.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
This is just inherently what America is. So what is
what we've been fighting for in America is not strategic
to me, And I say it all the time, me
needing a white person to stand up and say I'm
with black people. I don't need that. You don't never
got to tell me you with me, put me in
a position too, I could be with me. Fuck all that.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
You don't. You don't never got to tell.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Me act like you hate me in public. Give me
the money I need. Give me the guns I need
to fight for my freedom, Give me the army I need.
Let me build my own shit. I need them to
think that you are against everything black, you with the
white people, you with everything I need. Silently build me
up and put me in position because I'm with me.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
You just saying that you with me.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Because I need you to say the words and make
me feel comfortable and make me feel like you care
about my issues when you probably don't. You probably be like, Okay,
black people is cool, but I want to see everybody
do so. And I don't want to focus on and
that's how you were actually feel But I want to
focus on black people.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
So I don't need you to say it, right.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
I need you to go up there and say, look,
we want equality, we want this, and we don't want
the school black people right. And I need you to
call and I need to be able to come to
you and say, look, I need black people to get somewhere.
So I need you to give me a million dollars.
I need you to put this person in power. I
need you to give me the opportunity to do this.
You don't gotta fight for what. I gotta fight, because
you got your own fight. You are there with this

(57:52):
and you want you want coon By, y'all, I'm trying
to get equity. They took million, they took hundreds of
years away from me, took billions of resources, They took
everything away from our people. And I know you that's
not your concern. I just don't need you to block
me forgetting it. I need you to want. I ask
you to give me some shit because I gotta fight
for my people. I need you to do that. And

(58:12):
I think we haven't got sophisticated enough to do that.
I think everybody else is sophisticated. The Asians, they've been disenfranchised,
they got blown up. They took all this shit, and
they quietly build this shit. They get their resources from
the white people.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
That just just what hell? Are you cool?

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Yeah? Yeah, we're just gonna take our resources back to Asia.
We're just gonna keep building our shit. The Jews ain't
sitting in public. Some of them do, though, they publicly
say some shit now, because you know what, they've a
massed level of power to where you can't take this
ship from them.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
They got the whole army feeds our Army.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
They got their leaders telling the Trump with the Duke,
We're not put.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
That's the Jews, because that's Israelis and it's different from
the Jews. Right, the Jews would say that they all
be here in America, living in this shithold, dealing with
the same stuff we're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
It might be a little different.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Because they are white, most of them, not the black Jews,
but the white Jews. They have proximity to whiteness. But
the Israeli is a whole different thing. That they have
a privilege of living in an American sponsored nation.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Oh with the Jews from there can go they can
leave here and go to Israeli and get there and
get the resources and get and go to Israel and
be treated and get what they want. They can go there,
leave here from here and say, look, we need somewhere
to live.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
This is a privilege that they have.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
This is a reality. This is what they built. They
built that that situation for them. We we keep cutting
our nose off before we get in a position to
do any of the shit. But the reality is we
keep saying, oh, we want we want you to date
us in public. People don't care about they don't want
to be dead in public. The people you get, they
got the side chick. They said, I'm the side chick, right,

(59:52):
and they get all the money, and they said, just
just wipe your will over in my name. You don't
never got to say nothing about me. Don't worry about it.
Just keep gonna get feeding me. I'm gonna go, I'm
gonna give it to this person. We're gonna build out
with ship. Black people have the wrong focus. That's just
to me. I don't need nobody to say something that
they don't believe to make me feel happy. If I

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got to force you to say and say the things
for me, it's not who you are. I just need
to use you for what I need you to give me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, iveheminently disagreevably.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
And that's that's me and you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
That's what we've always had, this same tension on this
particular issue. What I know is that people do to
you how they feel about you, and if you are
unable to call my name. It is very similar to Target.

(01:00:47):
It is one of the main key points that we
came down to with Target, because that's what they tried
based upon what you're saying. Then Target didn't do anything wrong.
Target said, we're getting no.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
But Tug had already see that. It's a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
You know. What I'm trying to tell you is this,
Bernie has not disrespected us. Bernie has done nothing, no
harm to black people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Let me tell you, I don't know that that's true
because number one, you would have to you would have
had to study Bernie said this entire career to know
what he has or has not done.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
I mean from what I know, from where he.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Has voted, where he has voted for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Things that may not have been that that may have
been harmful to our community.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
And until we actually know that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
We can't But I have yet to see it. Okay,
That's what I'm trying to say. There's no where based
off what I know about Bernie, I haven't seen him
publicly do things to disenfranchise black That's I have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I don't know what Target publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
What I'm saying is that Target's position is we can't
talk about it publicly, but behind the scenes, we're still
working on, you know, our diversity stuff. We're still you know,
working with black businesses. We still are running some of
the same programs. We just don't want to get in

(01:02:20):
a public conversation, but we're still doing the work behind
the scenes. And what I'm saying is, if you can't
take your businesses to the dance with you, that means
that at first, at the first chance you get, you
will do something to harm us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
The bottom line is, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Not heard from one person in the groups of everybody
that I'm working closely with around the May sixteenth organizing
and or the just mobilizing in general as part of
this resistance movement. I have not heard from one person
that Bernie Sanders has been contacting or his people his

(01:03:05):
movement has contacted these folks to say, let me find
a way to support and what can I do. On
top of that, I know of black people Senator Nina Turna,
tesln Figaro, and also even in some ways Jimani Williams,
public advocate in New York City, our brother who have
been harmed by some of the behaviors of Bernie Sanders

(01:03:28):
and his people. There is a history of things that
has happened to our people who are our friends. Now, granted,
some of this stuff happened before you even got in
the movement this deep, so you may not know about it,
and some of it you probably can go and freshen
up and understand more about what would the specifics. But
Bernie knew these things were happening to these black people,

(01:03:51):
and he didn't do anything about it. And that is
because your policies, your politics, and your behavior always are
almost always aligned. You don't say I can't talk about
you in public, but I'm gonna do everything good for you.
It don't work like that because generally it does not
carry over. And that is exactly what is happening in

(01:04:13):
this situation that now we're having to ask the question, Bernie,
where are you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Because if what.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
You're saying, I'm to answer you a question. Okay, so
this is what I'm asking you this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
What I want to know is who are the people
who are publicly embracing black people, that are empowering black
people and putting us in a position to where we
don't have to deal with this. Who are those individuals
because I want to see those trying to do I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
To understand when you say that, what do you mean?
So I'll give you an example of an individual.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
You know that during the election, I was at an
Elizabeth Warren person, right who are the Elizabeth Warren. And
part of the reason why was because her platform, her
policy platform, had a number of things that's scifically was
black women's health, black women's needs in general, the black family.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
There was specific things there that I could see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Now she is not and does not have the same
voice as Bernie Sanders, right like he always has been
a much more public person who is able to garner.
And that's just the that's just the thing about how
men are treated in this work in general for politics,
civil rights, all the things, and by the media, and

(01:05:30):
the difference without how women are treated right and so.
But Elizabeth Warren was someone who got the issues and
she was speaking to it. When you start talking about
putting us in a position of power, Bernie doesn't have
a position of power either.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
That's not the job that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
In Congress and in the Senate, they vote on things
to help advance our cause.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
That's what they do. And putting the main thing and
the main thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
That they're responsible for is not the main thing, because
their votes are the main thing. But the other thing
that is a big part of what they do is
to use their mouth to go out and speak on
the issues, to raise on the floor to raise around
the country the concerns of various groups of people and
the issues that are happening and where America could be

(01:06:19):
doing better to serve these particular groups.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
So if you can't call my name as a black person,
I don't expect you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
But I'm not saying you wrong, and I understand I
don't expect you. But what I'm asking you this because
this is what my real question is, what person see
what happened is Bernie has created a movement, right, They
got a movement. They got millions of people worldwide that
are behind this movement based off his words and saying
what he stands. Where is the person that speaks for

(01:06:48):
the black issues, that has created that movement that we
can get behind, that can we can empower, that can
help us do what we're trying to do?

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Where is that person right us?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Actually, of course what I'm saying is to me, right,
the question is not the right question to me, because
the question is why would we ever support anything that
does not do that? There are not many movements where.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
I'm asking you, So that's what I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
I haven't answer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
There are not many movements in general that are as
big as Bernie Sanders led by white people, right, a
white man like him or other white people that have
a large representation of people who have progressive issues progressive values, right,
That is not a thing that exists that I know

(01:07:42):
of in my lifetime. The Democratic Party was supposed to
be one of those things, and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
There were failures.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
There was the failures of the Bill Clintons, there was
the failures of the Hillary Clintons, the failures of the
Joe Biden's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
So those things have always existed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I'm saying that Bernie's saying this walked into a particular lane.
The lane that he walked into was the progressive lane,
which is a lane that is very specific that we're
going to deal with a big tent of the issues
of the people who are most vulnerable in our society
and really deal with some radical change in this nation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
When you do that, when you say that, the expectation
is that black people should be on the list as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
So once again I'm not saying you wrong, I'm asking
you who else is doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
And I'm saying so because if.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
You're saying the expectation, because I want to know where
the expectation of that comes from because I haven't seen
it done. And what I'm trying to tell you is
I don't any what I'm trying to I'm trying to
explain to you. This is what This is just my
personal opinion that everybody that puts black people first gets marginalized.
This is what this is what. This is my personal opinion.

(01:08:54):
I watch every time I see somebody go out there
blank they're saying all the shit that I want to
he as a black person, they get.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Completely white person.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Any movement has transcended being marginalized.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
That it is transcended that. Yes, I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
To you, Yeah, Ray, I'm explaining to you that based
upon where he is, he absolutely has the power and
the ability to have certain concerns. The Voting Rights Act
should be one of the things that Bernie Sanders should
be running up and down the country speaking about and
all his people should be saying because, by the way,

(01:09:36):
even though it is a major assault on black people,
it does not just impact us.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
We heard from what Reverend Mark Thompson.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Said when he was on the show, women, people who
are disable and just other communities in general benefited from
the Voting Rights Act. From Section two and other amendments
to the Voting Rights Act over time. So what I'm
saying is that he is in the place a position
where he could if he chose to, and the fact
that no one has done it, or nobody or you

(01:10:07):
don't feel that anyone has adequately done it, does not
mean it's acceptable for us to continue to allow it
to happen. Because what that speaks to is why we
continue to be in the position only finished and you
got it. I won't say anything else. It speaks to
why we're in the position that we're in politically and

(01:10:30):
in terms.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Of the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Lack of, if you will, progress that our communities deserve,
because we are people who are unwilling to take us
to the dance that they want to throw twenty thousand
over here, but then do two hundred thousand dollars worth
of harm on this side.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
So my point to you is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
That if in fact we are going to have the
type of political power that we deserve, we should never
be saying we're supporting people who are unwilling to call
our names, who when they're speaking about issues.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
We shouldn't even We should not allow that to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
I'm just saying for me right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
An example, sorry, and an example of that, sir. An
example of that is the demand for Kamala Harris to
say that she would support an arms and bargo to Israel.
That's an example that there's a large portion of our
people who are pissed off that because of that particular issue,

(01:11:35):
they saw a division that split many people, and a
lot of people did not go to vote.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
There are some people who did not show up to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
And there were entire movements created that some folks say
was divisive in terms of how we all needed to
work together to block Donald Trump from becoming president.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
So that means that it's the opposite, that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
It's actually a winner strategy to speak up for our
people because right now, more of us could be behind Burnie,
more of us could be in the progressive movement, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
We all here an actual recording of our issues.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
You finished, Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I didn't mean to cut you off, but I wanted
to give that as another example.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Well, but that example was to my point because that
didn't benefit black people. Right when you say that there
was a people that was mad about embogging all those things,
and that said all these things that when they decided
not to vote for COMMLA. It hurt, but we are
in a position right now because comme les is not
the present. This is just a fact it didn't benefit

(01:12:42):
black people. People made the decision that they was gonna
do what benefited them, and I'm not seeing they wrong.
I'm not seeing them wrong at all. I'm saying that
we are making decisions based off our eg not even
to me. It's not common sense. It's because common sense
is this. If I if I got zero dollars and
I'm demanding that you fund me and tell people you

(01:13:05):
funded me, knowing that ninety percent of people in the
world don't want you to fund me, I have to
make a decision to say, do I need to get
funded so I could build my own shit?

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Or do I need him to tell people he's funding
me and din't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Because by the time if he can't tell me funded me, cool,
by the time they find out he funded me and
he say, fuck me, I've already built my own shit up, right,
But we're problem with that. Listen, let me just talk,
because you talk and let you know. So what I'm
trying to say is the reason why we keep saying
is you said Elizabeth Warmer said all the good things, and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Elizabeth Warman didn't go nowhere.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
They stopped up right there because she kept saying that
shit that we wanted to hear. Because everybody that say
the shit that we want them to say, they don't
get nowhere. So yeah, we pretty much never agreed on
this issue. We always go back and forth.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
I've always been a person that believes that we have
to have a trojan horse strategy. Y'all don't like the
trojan horse strategy. Y'all want to go in guns blazing.
I don't think. I don't think it's the most effective strategy.
I think they see you coming and they block us
every time. But hey, that's just my thought. But that
brings me to my I don't get it. And it's
pretty much along the same political about political strategies.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
You know. Over last week, Stephen A.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Smith had a clip that kind of went viral, and
I've seen a lot of people talking about it and
making you know, assessments, and people like, yeah, see what
he's saying is right. You know, I put something on
my social media, but I wanted to readdress it because
after further just just looking deeper into it. I wanted

(01:14:44):
people to understand how asinine it was to me. Right,
Stephen A. Smith made a statement saying that he wants
He was being interviewed by Cam Newton on this show,
and he said he wants black people to vote for Republicans.
All black people just vote Republicans one time. And you know,

(01:15:05):
his mind state was, you know, we've been given the
Dems our votes since nineteen sixty five and we haven't
got anything for it. You know, we need to make
these people work for our votes and this and that.
And I agree one hundred percent with that, with that
mind stet making people work for our votes, right, getting
tangible things for our votes. But what I don't understand,

(01:15:28):
and what I don't get is why the hell will
black people vote for Republicans who have done everything they
can to disenfranchise us, who have taken away our rights,
who have limited our access, who have historically, ever since
nineteen sixty five, done everything they can to stop the

(01:15:49):
growth of black people. And I ask, why would black
people vote for Republicans when Republicans won't vote for black people.
If you look at the Republican Party, and if you
do a Google serf, they probably have roughly about five
hundred people inside the black five hundred black people, where
the Democratic Party has over ten thousand black elected officials.

(01:16:12):
It's not even close in the numbers. I know people
who have run on a Republican ticket from black people,
from black neighborhoods that probably got twenty or thirty votes,
that went out there and smiled and said Trump and
did all this shit, and them white people looked at
you like you had two heads. Why would you vote
for them when they won't vote for you. Daniel Cameron

(01:16:34):
been running around, biggest Trump supporter, he would miss mcconnoey
doing all this. And Trump looked at him and said, look,
these two white boys that's running for the same place.
I'm endorsed one of them and promised the other one
something another spot just to get out the race so
they could beat you. But you've been running around as
a black man screaming Trump, Trump, Trump. You you confuse.

(01:16:56):
So for me, it's like, how how do you tell
our people to go against their best interests. That's not
a strategy to go to vote for people who are
directly their whole platform is directly to oppose your existence.
That's what their platform is they've won. They're able to
get rich white people because they're going to empower them
and make them richer when ninety percent of us apport,

(01:17:19):
and then able to get poor white people because they're
gonna let them know that we're gonna keep black people
at the bottom. We just want y'all to know that
y'all better than the richest black person. We're gonna let
you know that you still ahead of them because we're
gonna take their rights from them. We're gonna disenfranchise them
everywhere we can. We're gonna make sure that they can't progress.
We're gonna eliminate all their positions inside the government. We're

(01:17:42):
gonna eliminate the Civil Rights Division. We're gonna eliminate We're
gonna take black literature out of schools. We're gonna diminish
their scholars We're gonna every the places where they've studied
in college to be professionals. We're not even gonna make
those professions anymore so that you can feel empowered. This
is what they've wanted their plat form on. So why
in the hell would I put my vote into something

(01:18:05):
to empower that, Because that's where we are right now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
They got. They got foolish about five.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Or six more percent of y'all to vote with the
Republican right now, how how is that working for you?
They they put you out on the stages. They had
the preachers up there, they had Byron Donald's up there,
Tim Scott saying we love you, boss, Byron Donald's calling
him daddy. They had everything, They utilized the black vote.
They said they was gonna give you a platinum package.

(01:18:31):
Where's the platinum package? Where's all the stuff that they
said they was gonna give you. So you're telling me
they took the five percent and then do one percent
of the thing for you, But you want us to
give one hundred percent of our votes to the people
that are actively.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Damn they're trying to kill us. It's not a strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
If you told me, Okay, you know what we're gonna
We're gonna build a voting block of about five ten
million people, and we're gonna we're gonna create our agenda.
We're gonna have our tangibles that we want from whoever
is running for president, whoever's running from any office. We
don't care what party are, And we're gonna say in
order for you to get our vote. We need you
to do these things. That makes sense to me, But

(01:19:11):
it just aimlessly give you a vote to somebody who
doesn't have a platform that encompasses anything that benefits you.
Where is the strategy in that that just makes somebody
think that you're a fool. It's like, it's like you
dating a girl, right, It's like a girl she got
two guys that she trying to date and one of

(01:19:32):
the guys don't even like her, and she trying to
get the god jealousy to actually like her.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
And she goes sleep with the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Dude that don't like her, thinking that he gonna like
her now because she slept with no he just think
your thought that give up, give up, coochie.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
He don't like you no more.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
And the dude that actually liked you was like, well damn,
I wasn't wasn't ready to marry you yet, but I
actually liked you a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Like it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Benefit you, you're not doing anything. You're actually diminishing your
own value. You're diminishing your vote because it looks like
you don't even know what you're doing, and it looks
like you voting against your own interest or the people
because they say if you sad about your pain, they'll
kill you and say that you liked it, because that's
what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
It's you being sad about.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Your pain and you're going to vote for the people
that's actually issuing in pain on you, and you acting
like that's going some type of strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
It's the dumbest strategy I ever heard.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
And when people try to make you believe that it
is they, I know that nobody couldn't have thought that out.
I know nobody sat down and said, you know what,
I'm gonna vote for the people that's actually trying to
take away my rights because I'm mad at the people
that don't want to give me enough of the right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
She didn't give me a little bit, and I want more.
So I'm gonna go vote with the people that don't
give me nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Hopefully if I vote with them, they'll change their mind
and give me more than the people that's given me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
A looking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Well, I mean, I think that you know, you said
something about Daniel Cameron, and it's not that Daniel Cameron
just went out and he was a big Trump supporter,
and you know he was out there, you know, being
the big bad Republican guy who's with the police, and
you know all of that, but he also undermined Breonna
Taylor's family. He undermined the black And the thing for

(01:21:16):
me is that I can't say, as you have said.
I heard my uncle say it the other day, and
I heard I've seen it on social media many times.
I cannot say that every person who voted for Donald
Trump as a racist. But I can't tell you that
every racist who voted they voted for Donald Trump. And
that's the same thing for your boy, Daniel Cameron. The

(01:21:40):
people who follow him, the people who are with him,
the people who support him, they are people who are
not like us at all. And it never I've asked everybody,
because again I do not believe that I have all
the answers. I know I don't because if I had
all the answers, we wouldn't be in the situation that
we're in. So I understand that all of us could

(01:22:03):
use a little fine tune in, some more listening, some
more strategizing and sitting at the table and maybe hearing
things that we didn't listen to in the past. I'm
down to do that. So the question that I have,
who are the candidates provide me before we start talking
about we're going to go vote Republican, Tell me who

(01:22:26):
are the candidates? Can you produce for me? A Cory Bush,
a Jamaal Bowman. God dang it, I don't even or
I don't even like half the stuff that's going on
with Hawking, Jeffries and and Cory Booker.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Give me one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Give me one of them that I got seven things
that I don't like that they're doing, but I know
that they're on most of the other issues that I
care about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Give me that. Show me who.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
The candidates are that are the people who we might
be able to say, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
What I'm going to I can and look at this person.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
And see that they pretty much align with my goals
and they're a little bit better than the Democrat that's
running or even the Independent that's running on these issues.
Show it to me, because otherwise, what we're saying is
that the white man and the racist that his ice
is colder than ours, and that we believe that if

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we put our trust in his basket, that maybe he
will do for us what we need him to do
to help us to progress in them into it that
we need, that we need that we're you know, working
towards that's what we're hearing. If somebody can show me
the candidates, if somebody can just I want basic things.

(01:23:44):
I'm not even I'm not even talking about the depth
of you know, pull up the hood and go all
the way under the car.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I ain't talking about that. I ain't going about the
engine and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
You know, you get a range Rover and the range
Rover if you really start getting into that engine, honey, baby,
when I had arranged Rover, I had it for years.
I spent more money fixing my car than I did
on the car.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
And that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Okay, changing this, fixing this, doing that always a problem.
Thousand dollars, nothing less than a thousand dollars every time
you had to take that car for service. It was
a nightmare. But I liked it because it was it
was status, and it was pretty and it rolled nice
and it just made me feel expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Right, So I like the car. Take me to that.
I'm let me do that. Just let's just go.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
With that made me feel good. Forget about whether or
not the engine is good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I ain't even want it. You have showed me from
just the outside, the outside.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Here is something, Give me something of it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Outside of it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Just show me where it looks and sounds and smells
like something that I can go around and I feel
proud of riding with it. Nobody gotta know that if
I don't make it to the dealership by Tuesday, it's
gonna break down and it's gonna cost me thirteen thousand
dollars to fix the enginet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
You don't know that. Can I pull up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
In front the club with the with the with this
particular thing, this this Republican strategy that y'all had and
just look good. That's what I want to know, because
I can get into the under the hood, but we're
just gonna deal with outside, the shininess of the outside.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
And I don't have anything.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I can't give one candidate at all that is one
willing to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Speak out against.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Okay, the ship that's going on with how the Republicans
stand down on voting for us. At times, Republicans stand
down almost one hundred percent on voting for things that
you and I and other black people, brown people, other
vulnerable populations need. They stand that. They don't say no,
we won't vote for it, we won't pass it. They

(01:26:09):
vote against it every single time. I want the candidate
that's speaking out against that. I don't even see that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
So no, I'm not I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Commit to voting for the Republicans. That's not something that
I can do. But if they start bringing me some
candidates that's making sense that also are in there fighting
the party and changing the platform, I might be able.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
To get with it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
You know, what I'll say is this. It's two things
I want to say. You know, first of all, I
think it's it's completely disrespectful to ask people to vote
for in this client.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
I think I think when you when you when you
bring up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Malcolm X, right, and this is this is one of
the strategies that they use, and they say they talk
about the ballot of the bullet and they talk about
Malcolm X and him explaining how if you're voting for
the Liberals and the Democrats, you were chump because you know,
you put all your political capital you vote for them,
and they don't do nothing for you, and these things.

(01:27:13):
And I in sixty some years ago that made one
hundred percent. Sixty some years ago, it was seventy two
black Democrats, when it was probably thirty forty thousand elected
officials today. There's over ten thousand black memenes right today,
I'm able to vote on a local level for Democrats,

(01:27:34):
people that come from my community. I was able to
put usup to long in office. I was able to
make sure that Jimani Williams got in office. I was
able to.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
Make sure that Nanta Natasha Williams got in office.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Right. I was able to make sure that the Bronxboro president,
who is Vanessa Gibson, is my friend who got in
office right now. These are people that I've been in
the trenches with that I know was on the bottom line,
that I know had the best interests of my community.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
And I was able to vote those people into office. Right.
I couldn't do that as a Republican. You can't do
that as a Republican.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
People that you want that come from your community, you
cannot give your vote to them to be a Republican
because the Republicans, the white people that's in a Republican party,
they don't want them.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
They don't want you there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
They don't mind that you there because you give them
a little more status that you're able to have the
token here and there, But they don't want you there.
So I think it's so disingenuous and disrespectful to black
people to act like we don't know which party doesn't represent.
If ninety percent of us in the party, you think
we dombe that we don't know where the party has
our interests?

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
We understand that the Republican Party does not have our
best interests. There's nothing that the Republicans are saying to
black people that makes us say, you know what, we
need to go over there. That's why it's only five
percent of y'all over there, because y'all believe that y'all
don't represent the majority interests of black people. So trying
to make us feel like we're them, because we as

(01:29:01):
a collective majority of us hear people and they watch
how they move, and they see things that make them
feel comfortable. So we're not in a minority, y'all. Father said,
y'all need to figure that out. We know that one
hundred percent of the racist vote with the Republican Party.
We know that this is not a thing. We watched
January sixth We watched over one thousand people get out

(01:29:23):
and a lot of them had jackets of racism. A
lot of them were leading racist organization. We know that
for a fact, this is not some shit we think.
We watched it. We watched Steven Miller get on TV
and talk pretty much about being a part of the
area in nation. We watch HESSEF. We watch these people.
We watched them have bird whistles about racist shit. We

(01:29:44):
literally listen to them. We watch them go to the
Madison Square Garden for the rally for Trump and we
watch them white people get up there and say the
most racist outland this shit ever.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
We seen that the.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Ninety percent of us that vote Democrat, we watch that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
We internalized that. We did our research. We said THEMN
these people are really racist.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
When we looked at Project twenty twenty five, we realize
there's a direct correlation to racism. There's a racist agenda
to put the white man in position of power and
make sure that blacks don't get power to repopulate, to
bring them themselves back to dominance.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
We know that we've seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
You're trying to tell us that we don't see what
we see, and it's actually disrespectful. And because of the algorithm,
because we have a racist administration that's controlling the media,
we're able to see you people who are trying to
push that shit more right, were able to see that
y'all getting three hundred thousand views, and people underneath like, yeah, yeah,

(01:30:43):
this is what y'all, but y'all understand the algorithm. So
y'all being used and it's okay, but you're not fooling us. Right,
No matter how many times Steven A. Smith's goes on
these platforms where nobody needs to challenge him and he
talks this dumb shit, you're not fooling the majority of
black people.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
We're not going for that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
So yeah, you might get six percent, you might get sivent,
but you're never going to get the ninety percent of
us that understand the realities of what's going on in
this world to go against our best interests. And secondly,
what I say is this, we literally watched MAGA even
transform the Republican right. We watched just basic because there

(01:31:24):
was some basic Republican that was just you know, yo,
I just want my money. I'm just here to get this.
This benefits me. I want a couple dollars. But we
watch these races. People go into a party that was
about money, and we watched them say fuck money, we
want complete dominance and we're taking over this party.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Why can't we do that to a party that has
ten thousand black people in it? Why can't we go
in there and say, Yo, fuck all this. We want
equality and equity. We want to make sure that people
have or time me over their bodies. We're going to
make sure that this shit is ran fairly and we
not take We going in there and we're gonna do
it however we got to. That's because that's the mentality.

(01:32:08):
But they tell us we need to start over. We
need to fuck fuck that we built all this equity
inside of the Democratic parties, Fuck that we got over
ten thousand elected officials. Forget that we have all this
positions and all these things. We need to go somewhere
and just start completely over while they build it, while
they come into a party that has a structure and everything. Right,
because they put Project twenty twenty five order, they know

(01:32:31):
what they was doing. They said, Oh, we need is
somebody to go into this party that's already built and
take the same mechanisms and run it the way we
want it. Why we don't have a strategy like that,
Why don't we put people in positions of power within
that party because they got the same apparatus, that had
the same access to wealth, access to resources. Why don't

(01:32:53):
we put somebody in there with our agenda and get
behind them.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
Why is that not our strategy?

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Why do we gotta keep starting over when we built
something already, Why do we.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Gotta keep doing that?

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
I just don't understand why we don't see that man
get inside that iron horse and get in the We
need to go on and Trojan horse, get inside that
party and take it over, and just take it over
for what's right. Because if we fight, if we fight
the evil that they doing with the right, it's a
bunch of people that want to get behind us. But

(01:33:25):
we can't be scared that we're not doing politically correct.
We can't be scared because it's not bipartisans. We can't
be scared because you know that's not what they no.
We have to understand that we are we are working
on behalf of what's righteousness is. And when you go
in something with a righteous agenda, God got you, so
it don't matter who don't have. And with that said,
we've come to the end of another episode. It's been

(01:33:47):
a good one. Shout out to Tamika who you know.
We always gonna push each other. We ain't gonna always
agree on everything. I'm not gonna always be right, Tomika's
not gonna always be wrong, or we will both always
and I mean always be authent Heace.

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