March 27, 2026 • 42 mins
This week on TMI, Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne shift into a discussion about why many Black-owned institutions and media outlets struggle to sustain without consistent financial support from the community. They debate whether there is a mental block around supporting Black businesses, the impact of marketing and “white man’s ice is colder,” and how internal criticism, propaganda, and algorithms can amplify attacks on Black leaders and celebrities. The conversation also touches on rebuilding communities, handling sabotage, and differing views on public backlash toward figures like Jay-Z, Diddy, and Bill Cosby.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it's your boy, my son in general.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of t M.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
New name, New energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon,
I'm black blessed?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How you favor?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You have very nice glasses on today? Would you like
to tell us about them?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah? Shut up to my brother step On Marlberry and
he sent me. He sent me these these fine shows. No, No,
I'm just being honest with you, my brother Stefan Marberry Camelo.
I'm part of the Kamelo family. Now you know these
shad's Actually you're just I haven't like look actually, just
(00:45):
you see this and you could change the.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Tent like Aelo needs those because he'd be sitting at
meeting with the dark black shades on.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Sometimes you gotta swear, you gotta switch up the moves
you go. You know you look, I'm gonna get dark
on him. The i'mna lighting up on them. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Stefan Marbury new shades or he been Yes, this is
his new shades.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
They call Camelo. He sent me some. This is fire.
This is my new thing. Now you know, I'm part
of Camelo family. So make sure y'all looking up. Camelo
shout out to my brother step for these though.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
This is fire five black. That's it, that's what right,
all right? So listen, first of all, they look nice though,
let me say that they look nice. Were moving on?
They are there women, shades or.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Just they got everything? They got what you yes to
check it out.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I thought it was for the brethren.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, they got everything, Camelo, go look it up.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I thought it was for the brethren.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Listen, we got everything for you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Who is we?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm part of the time. I'm part of the Camelo
family now, so it's we you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
What you are part of is the nuts the crazy
to you know what I'm saying. All right, let me
tell you a moment.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't know if you know, but that was I
don't do that though.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okay, Well I say what I said, and that was okay.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Nuts was pas all right? Got you go?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You the shades might have made your mind them too,
because you mug out AnyWho. So you know, I was
thinking about this as it relates to my thought of
the day. I was thinking about these two different things
that I'm holding. On one hand, I realized that part
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of why you see so many organizations, institutions, media entities
that are black owned or black run, primarily black black focused,
not being able to sustain, not just now, but just
over time in general, is because we as a people
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are not as invested financially in holding up our institutions. Right. So,
one of the things that we've been you know, for
years and years and years, we've been hearing HBCUs say
we need alumni participation, need schools, We need students to
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give back to their schools. The people who have now
gone onto these big jobs. The schools prepared you to
go out into the world do all this big stuff.
Now you have these big jobs, and we need an
investment back into the work of the institution so other
people coming up behind you have some of the same opportunities.
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But also I know that most of the college presidents
that I know, and the chairman of the board and
all of that, they spend a lot of time looking
for money everywhere at the end of us a school
year or even a semester to make sure that students
who fall short have the money to keep going. And
it's a process, and it's not about your grade point average,
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because you could be a four point old student and
still not have enough money to finish because your parents
may have financial hardship. Maybe you shouldn't even you know,
you should not have technically, technically been able to get
into this school in the first place. And there's not
a lot of resources to keep you going. And so
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that's a real thing, right like people asking for there
to be an investment from alumni at HBCUs. Then you
have the issue of black media where you've got people
like Roland Martin out here, and it's not just rolling now.
Of course, you have asked Ashley Allison at the you
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have Ashley Alice at the Route. You have let's think
about Black Effect podcast network. You have a number of
entities where black folks at the Joy and Read show,
Don Lemon's show, I mean our show, which is on
Black Effect. But nevertheless, people can support us directly by subscribing.
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So there's the subscriptions which are important, but then there's
also literally doing things like investing in black newspapers, investing
in the Black Star Network, which is Roland Martin's network,
and investment might mean being a subscriber that's paying ten
dollars a month or being someone who donates to the
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entities because you can actually donate to Roland and that
helps him to keep his network going. And so a
lot of times our relationship to like clicking subscribe our
relationship to sending a donation to supporting organizations. And know
this is not the plug for until Freedom. Of course,
(06:06):
if you want to get to until freedom is until
freedom dot com. But I'm not even talking about specific organizations,
because there are organizations that are in your particular city,
people who are working right in your neighborhood, and your
relationship to them is simply I saw them on the news,
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maybe I passed them, passed them by, But I do
not see myself as a sustaining partner, a member that
would help to keep the organization's work going. And I
think we have to really, really, really challenge ourselves because
one of the things that I notice is that here's
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my thought of the day. One of the things that
I've paid close attention to is the way that we
will spend our money on things that make us feel good,
the trinkets in life, and then have literally or virtually
close to no relationship at all. With institutions and networks
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that are actually doing good work on our behalf. So
we will have the name brand bags, the name brand shoes.
We might well have vacations, we have great family time,
we have experiences. And this I am not judging anybody
because I got labels. I like vacations, I like nice dinners.
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I like to go out with family. I'm not limiting
myself in any way, shape or form in terms of
what I can do. But I'm also a person who
make sure that I spend some of my resources with
black institutions. And I have to ask us as a people,
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you know, while trying to hold the idea that none
of us should stop enjoying. This is what I mean
by I'm holding two things. None of us should stop
enjoying the things in our lives that make us happy.
But we have to have a balance also to say,
my sister, my friend, or somebody that I respect, a
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black woman, black man, black person came out with a book,
Let me purchase a book. This organization is in my neighborhood,
or they do great national work, Let me support them.
I came out of HBCU, or I like this particular HBCU.
I didn't go there, but I know about them, and
I see the fruits of their labor. Let me make
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sure that I put my money there, even if it's
two hundred dollars once a year. We've got to change
sort of our relationship to holding things that have been
in our community foundational and not spend so much of
our resources in time. While we should still do all
the things saying don't do it, but what we have
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an attraction to things outside of our community and not
necessarily and I don't think that's beneficial to us. I
don't see any reason why, you know, actively black should
not be sold out to where they can't even keep
things in stop constantly because their quality is great. But
there have been people that when I have asked, they're like, oh,
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I don't know, what is it that we don't know
because we don't know anybody that works at all these
other companies, Allo, Lululemon, all of these names, which is cute,
but it's still why would we not want to help
to build a black institution? And I guess the question
that I'm struggling with is whether or not this is
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really I've heard people say it before, but I'm really
trying to figure out is there a mental block for
supporting our own and what is it? Do we think
that that takes us downward? And you know it, and
it decreases our value in society versus if we go
out and buy things that might not might cost the same,
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might not even be expensive, but because it has white
owned labels on it, it's it boosts our ego and
make us feel like we're we're getting it because we're
able to buy outside of the community. I just think
it's something while we're in this time period where obviously
financially a lot of us are being impacted in different ways,
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but we have to think about what it looks like
to be in community with one another and try to
hold our institutions up.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I think that's a very good question. And I say
all the time that we really adopted the narrative that
the white man's ice is colder, and you know they've
marketed to us, you know they market they called it.
I heard there's a saying that they call black people
liquid money. Like you know that they just pretty much
we are the biggest consumers in the world market everything.
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They market everything to us to consume, and we brought
into that narrative. You know, we don't have the biggest
marketing firms in the world marketing. They're our products to
each other, and we haven't been taught that most of
the time that our products are just as deemed just
as worthy. We don't believe that, right. We think if
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a black person owns, especially if you know the black
person and you watch that black person come from the bottom,
then you feel like it's not really that serious. He's
supposed to give it to you. You're supposed to get
a discount. He's supposed to look out like. We don't
value that. We don't know this white man from a
hole in the wall, and we've assumed that he's done
something magical to these clothes or these shoes that he
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got that's gonna do something for us when we spend
thousands of dollars on it and we won't spend a
few hundred to give our brothers half of that. You
know what I'm saying. And it's really it's a sickness.
It comes from trauma. You know. It dates back to slavery, theys,
back to not being able to have nothing and seeing
massive have all the nice things and being happy just
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the way it's hand me downs, you know, and being
happy just to be, you know, in congruent to him,
just to be in proximity to whiteness. And that's what
we've adopted. I say all the time, people are like, yo,
I can't wait to get off the Hood, and I
never used to say that. I always like, I want
to fix the hood. I want the hood to be
just as valuable as the white people communities. Why are
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we not building up the places and the people that
come from where we come from so we can make
them be able to compete with the white people's stuff, right,
it's nothing wrong, Like it's nothing wrong that they got
this year.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't know if I think it's cool to say
that we want to live in the hood. And I've
never been a person to move I mean, well once
in my life, but that was because I lived with
someone who lived completely outside of the quote end quote hood.
But I've always been adjacent, very near, very close, and
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very very much so a frequent visitor. Nevertheless, there are
situations where you begin to see that the more success
you have, the more dangerous it is to be around
people who have decided that they will not allow you
to grow and that they will do anything to try
to sabotage whatever success you have been able to create
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for yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And I think I think that that comes. That's redefining
and rebuilding culture, right, and I think it's a it's
a process. I think there has to be sacrifices made. Right.
You have to come to your community. You have to
come as them, right. You can't come better like you're
trying to do something out of charity. No, it's building
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with them. It's having them invest in the community. It's
going to the community and say, hey, what you got
to invest in this. We're gonna buy this store together.
We're all gonna chip into this, and we're gonna own
this store. What you got for this, We're gonna put
you can work here. It's taking the real time to
create an ecosystem to where everybody feels involved, not like
you coming to give charity and you looking down on
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them and you come in your big car and you say, y'all, Misa,
stay here and we ain't got nothing, and you looking
like stak. No, that's not even common sense. I'm talking
about really being from your community, giving back to your
community and figuring out how do we rebuild our community.
How do we take these buildings, how do we take
these projects? How do we we we pull our resources,
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pull our money to where we're teaching our people about ownership,
we owning things together, we letting them be a part
of what we do right without tearing each other down,
I think, And that's it's not gonna be easy. It's
not gonna be easy.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Not because I hear what you're saying, but I just
listened to, for instance, you and I were talking about
this the other day. I'm just watching the way that
some some black people talk about Mayor Rasbaraka and Newark
and Jersey, right. I mean the things that they say,
(15:04):
the way that they try to tear that man down,
knowing which we get to see up close and personal,
how committed he is to Newer, to New Jersey, to
black people, the sacrifices that he's made, the ways in
which he upholds his like black black miss without compromise
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in the face of people trying to tell him that
you know, you gotta, you know, capitulate over here over here,
and he won't. And yet and still they rip him
to shreds at times over things that as I'm listening
to what they're talking about. It's like so obvious that
what they're saying is something like super propaganda nonsense that
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people are picking up. Now they'll say, oh, you don't
live here, you don't get to tell us what's propaganda.
But they do it to us too, right, And in
the middle of some of the worst things that we've
you know that that or both of us have had
to deal with. In terms of criticism, I've had people
say I've been right there because this is a normal
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thing that even when you're trying and not And by
the way, I'm sure raspber Racket is not perfect and
he does everything one hundred percent right, nor mine, nor
you and a million other people, but you don't even
really get credit for the actual commitment and the effort
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to try to do your best. That doesn't from some people.
I can't say from all people, because for the most part,
people are very much so grateful for the work they
see it, and they know that there is no perfect person,
no perfect leader, and so most people will but there
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are some people, and it only takes one person in
your local commit union when you're trying to live in
the hood and build it up and do all the
things the great things that you're speaking about. To be
an asshole that ends up trying to mess with your
family or start some shit with your wife or your husband,
or nudge your child or they kids is wild and
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out of control. Next thing you know, you in the
middle of some big beef with them over nonsense, oh
the car or why you looking at me like when
you say that living in your community. I'm not saying
I don't want to be as close, if not in
my community as possible. But I also know that there
are people who are intentional sabotagers. That's what they do,
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that's what they work on, well they do.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
They work on that in all areas, right. You know
Lebron James living a billionaire establishment and they wrote nigga
on his gates, right, So some people get pulled over,
you know on which Ryan Coogler got pulled over trying
to take arrested for taking his money out of his bank.
So there's different forms of attack in every place that
we go. I'm saying what we should be invested in, right,
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not saying that one person should do it. I'm saying
there should be a full on invested investment marketing plan
where we create a town, and we saw creating towns
where we live in. We go to communities that we
have and rebuilding our communities, educating our people, are giving them,
giving them room to flirst because we know what I've
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known for a fact is that every community that is
given the proper resources and properly educated will thrive. If
you look at hip hop is the biggest example of
that situation. When you look at hip hop artists who
start to come in this game. You know, you look
at a jay Z that came in this game. You
even look at fifty Cent, you look at the Nas,
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you look at Cameron, you look at you just look
at people evolved from being the people that was on
the corner that were selling drugs to being a businessman
who were not getting in no trouble. We educate our people,
we buying more things. We you know, we're doing the
things that's necessary. So because they had the opportunity and
got the resources, and when you see different things that
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you understand is a world outside of the negativity that
we've been taught to gravitate to inside this culture. I'm
just gonna go straight to mine. I don't get it,
my I don't get it. Is why do we tear
down our people so bad? Like we tear that everybody
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that becomes successful. We can't wait to pull them down,
and we're happy to hear them in bullshit. I'm not
saying that they perfect, but we can't wait to throw
every conspiracy theory that they got at jay Z. We
couldn't wait. We couldn't Ninety percent of people couldn't wait
to hear the negativetivity about Puff. We couldn't wait to
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watch Bill COB's We couldn't. We just couldn't wait. And
I'm not saying that what they did they were They
didn't deserve to get punt to the people that things
because jay Z has not been accused of mean, convicted
of anything, but people can't wait to put him in
a little minati. They put him here, they put him there.
It's like people want to pray on a downfall of
our people. I say all the time, even the leaders
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that wasn't even in the industry we talk about Malcolm
Max were talking about mom Our. People have tore those
people down. They only became just this famous as martyrs
when they was alive. Our own people was tearing them down.
Doctor Bernice King says it all the time that people
romanticize her father, But when he was alive, y'all hated
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that man. Y'all people called him the most dangerous person
in the world. You had them on FBR lists like
these are realities, and our people brought into it. Every
time one of our leaders are exalted into the next level.
They said, all they got to do is say you stole.
They say you stole, and that's it. Now we discredit
And it's the same fucking strategy every time. You can't
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tell me that none of our leaders with good people.
All of them just stole from us and backstabbed us
and sold us out, like every time, Like, come on,
I just I'm just tired of it. It's the same
fucking playbook and we fall for it every time. I'm
sitting there watching right, I'm listening to Jay Z's interview,
which was a good interview by GQ the Young Boy Summer.
He did a very good, very good interview, and I'm
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listening to Jay and he's like, Yo, a lot of
this shit, He's like, Yo, it's crazy, Like it hurts right,
but you don't know that you think people think that
you know this the person don't feel nothing. He could
just take all this shit. He's hearing, all this shit
about him. It's like this shit hurt me. I'm I'm
a man and I live by certain principles, and he's like,
even when I was in the street, there was certain
shit that was just you just didn't do. So it's
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like understanding that and then you look at this moment.
But now he got three shows to to, you know,
to ins like Yankee Stadium sold out, the Roots Picnic
is sold out, gonna add another night, and it's like
one hundreds almost one hundred thousand people could this just
sold out in minutes. But y'all wanted to tear him down.
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You you look for anything possible to destroy somebody that
came from nothing and built itself up, Like why why
are we why do we have this crab in a barrel? Bullshit.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
People will say that putting Puff and Bill Cosby and
all these other people together is two totally different things,
number one, But.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
They can't say it because it don't matter what the
situation is. It's people. I'm saying that in every situation
black people could not wait to pull.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It in black people because not.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Not every black person I'm saying the majority, but the
majority of the voices that you heard that was the
loudest that was tearing them down with black people, it
wasn't white people.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Listen to me. I don't. I don't go. I'm gonna
tell you right now, I don't go. I don't go
to one. I don't know one major site where white
people was that that was talking about Diddy the way
black people was nothing. I don't know. I don't know nothing. Well,
there's no major platform that white people own that was
hell bit on Diddy. There's no major platform and white
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people on where you even hear them talk about jay Z.
I could go to any fucking news, I'd go to
websites anything. There's no jay Z slammed about white people.
The only people trying to pull jay Z into every
scandal possible is black people. That's a few. There's no
white people doing it. This is just not happening.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
First off, let me say that you cannot say that
in the case of Bill Cosby because he had majority
white women who have accused him of drugging them and
sexually assaulting them. SSA, I think is what you're supposed
to say, Okay, so if the hell with who was
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talking about him on the internet or on media in media,
the main people who are his accusers are white women.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's but that's not my my thing. You're conflating.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
My point.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I was just saying that you was conflating two different things.
I wasn't talking about the accuser. I'm not even talking
about the act or the crime that he's committed. Those
are two different things. I'm talking about the people who market,
promoted and amplify it. It's black people against black people
all the time. I'm just trying to say, we don't.
I never see even when we're talking about the white people,
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like we always say, oh, it ain't our job to
talk about white people, and you're right, but they don't
even talk about them the way we talk about us.
They don't.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I don't agree, Okay, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Tell you me. Okay, all right, I do it.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
The reason why I say that is because I personally
don't think that you follow white outlets the same way
that I do follow some of them, and the way
in which they do it is different. So our culture
is different. We we we have a different Our social
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media is different. The way that, you know, we say
everything through jokes, through just you know, a barrage of
people with their sayings and you know, and their sarcasm
and all of that. We do have that. But when
I go look in white publications, they write hit pieces,
(25:41):
right they It's not that they're not, it's just different
the culture. But they I look right now at how
white people is tearing up. Jeffrey Epstein's asked, they're going
in in and in, They're going in on Trump, they're
going in on.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Other different seen is dead you too much? But what
are you talking about? Okay?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But even before that, even when he was accused now
social media.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That man was doing that shit for thirty or forty.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Years, I understand, But it only became it only became
public knowledge to people at a certain point.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And since then I have watched them write their pieces
and their stories and their social media posts and all
of that. I think that what happens is that you're
in a bubble, and I'm in that same bubble, so
I get to see it the way in which we do.
We absolutely use our social media and our voices, if
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you will, to amplify mess. I'm not saying that we don't.
I'm just saying that there are other ways that different.
I think if you were saying that you don't see
the Asian community engaging than the same amount of public
attacks against their own, I would agree with you about that.
But white people their authors of attacks, it just might
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look a little different. And moreover, I feel like white
people to a large degree control the algorithm that even
helps to spread our responses or taxes, and they do
do it.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And that's what I'm trying to explain. They do it
because they can't wait for you to utilize your voice
to tear down to people that they feel is in
their way that's actually gaining headway, that are infiltrating into
their systems and their structures and actually able to build
generational wealth and figuring out a strategy. All of those people,
they can't wait to give you the microphone so that
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your algorithm can take over the shit and you can
attack them. They can't wait. They gonna do it all
the time. The algorithm listen to me soon as in
twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, when we started to voice about
Brionna Taylor and fight for George Floyd and we win,
that algorithm they started to build a counter algorithm against me.
There's a counter algorithm that anybody that talks negatively about
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me will get following. That's just a thing they created.
No matter what. I've watched people talk negatively about me
and get thirty thousand, thirty thousand followers every week. Yeah,
I've watched people constantly build you know, followings for attacking
me because they seeing that I was powerful in a
certain way and started to say, you know what, We're
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gonna build a counter algorithm. We're gonna allow people whoever
says some counter to him to be amplified.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I say, you definitely have one, definitely a machine. Yeah
that works against you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
But it's not just me. It's a bunch of people.
It's just like every time, like.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Most of them people they're not black.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But you mean most of the people that I'm.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Black, they're not. They fake pages. You don't know what
colors some of them pages.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm not even talking about the pages of the people.
I'm talking about the people that they implify to come
against me be black people. It don't even be the
pages that I'm talking about. It's three or four people
that I've watched that if you go on they pages
about one hundred. If they got over one hundred, some
of the things where they said about me and they
follow would just constantly grow because they talking about me
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like this is a thing. So They'm trying to tell you.
They build the counter narrative. They build up the counter
narrative to compete with you and push you out the algorithm.
This is what they do, and we grab on to it.
We can't wait.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Wow, I still would beg to differ as it relates
to I don't know. I don't think I see white people.
I read white people news all day long. That's a
part of my morning, noon, and night. I read white
people news, and I see what they be talking about
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and and white things will be doing to their own
people about a lot of things. Our culture is just different.
I'm probably not explaining it the best, but it's just different.
So I get how it seems. And I know we
do tear one another down. We are very good at
that right and we don't save it for people who
(30:21):
are doing egregious things like we don't care what it is.
If we get a little glimpse of something that might be,
were just ready ready. And part of that is because
it's easy, feel easier to attack one another than it
is to deal with the olppressor. We were in a
meeting the other day and I said, it's interesting that
(30:41):
here we are in this space ready to beat each
other up, and the people, the places, and the things
with the real power that's actually obstructing our pathway towards
what we're trying to get done, they're never in the room,
so's it's so much easier for us to go in
(31:02):
on one another. And I do I hear what you're saying.
I do agree with you, But I just think that
that that we do ourselves a disservice when we believe
that it is singular, because it's not. It's in terms
of black people. White people be doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The thing is, I don't see I don't see the suffering, right,
I don't see when we say that the white people
do the same thing. When I see when I see
like successful white people, I don't see like the backlash
to where they lose anything. Like Jerry Jones was with
(31:42):
the with the slave owners and all of that, and
at the school, there's no bad They talked about it
for two days. They put Steven A. Smith to get
up there say Jerry Jones a good man. Right, I
didn't see I didn't hear a bunch of white people,
even fucking Lebron said. Lebron said, y'all come here every day,
asks me about Kyrie, but nobody asked me one question
about Jerry Jones. I'm the biggest and we inside the
(32:06):
sports y'all will come in here a thousand times and
Kyrie this and Kyrie that, but nobody said it about
Jerry Jones. Right, there's been There was a whole fucking
scandal with the NFL people that was doing getting the massages.
I ain't hear nothing since it happened. They talked about
it one day. We ain't heard about it. They still rich.
They're going fucking Brett fav stole the welfare money. Nobody
(32:28):
hears about it. We talked about it. They talked about
it for five minutes and he disappeared. This is what
I'm trying to say. We don't I don't see them.
They'll talk about it, they report the news and they
move on from it. Donald Trump, right, the worst president
in the history of anything. There's no president that have
been worked and white people made sure that he was
(32:50):
president again. But this is what I'm saying. We don't
do that. We will never exalt. We will never exalt
somebody that we said was bad. Any we would.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You're contradicting yourself because you said jay Z that people
attack him, they try to tear him down, they.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Hate, they don't have they don't have anything.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yet they sold out the stadium three days and another
and the Roots picnic. And I'm just saying that we
will invest in entertainment for people who we claim we hate,
we will do it. We will exalt people who we
claim we hate. If they left pop out of jail
right now and he goes and does r Kelly is
(33:38):
an example. People say they don't like sexual abuse, they
don't like children being hard, they don't like any of that,
and yet if he put a concert.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
On right now, console Kelly, Kelly do sixty years in prison.
This is what I'm trying to talk about. But look
what I'm trying to explain to you. Even when you
look at Puff, the Puff is in jail right doing time.
But shit that people wouldn't even be doing time for.
(34:09):
And you know it's the loudest people that couldn't wait
and say you need to be in jail. That can't wait.
Niggas got the document. Everything they can to destroy everything
that man has, can't. People mad as somebody for saying
that they support him. They mad at somebody anyway if
you say, yo, man, I want to see all mad
how you what the fuck you mean?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like every hypocritical because people will be. There's some people
that aretend toes down and their support against violence against women,
you know, and and a number of things that we
saw play out in that case are Kelly's case and
other situations. But there's a lot of people that they
(34:50):
own house, the messiest shit, They own stuff, but they
are able to project everything because they know nobody knows
nor kids what's going on with them, and they could
project out into the world.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I was watching Young Miami's interview right and she was
just talking about how just because she was with somebody
supported somebody wrote a letter, she lost money. And she said,
the reality is this person wasn't that person. Whatever that
happened in that time, I didn't have that person. I
met somebody else. Person amplified me, made me feel powerful,
(35:24):
talked life into me, treated me like a queen. And
people hate you because you don't desert somebody that they
don't like, right, and this is the shit that this
is the world that we live in. I got so
much respect for her because it takes a lot to
stand in the fire with somebody that the world has
deemed unworthy, knowing that they've done the best shit for you.
(35:45):
Everybody ain't gonna do that. It's like Judas, it's the
same that that's the Judas shit, Right, Judas he told Judas,
you will deny me three times. Right. I did nothing
but feed you. I took you around. I treated you
like a brother. As soon as the people turned on
me and they walked me through the town and they
were stone in me, and they said, you the guy
that was with Jesus. You like, no, no, not me.
(36:08):
You know, I'm saying, fuck that I did all the
good things possible for you. Now that I'm getting stoned,
and you know, I ain't doing nothing. You know, I'm
not guilty of the shit today said. But because the
people said it, and you you want to be liked
or you don't want to deal with, you know, the
persecution that comes with it. You'll say, you don't even
know me, And that's just why shit, that's that's our
(36:28):
society we live in.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I just I understand what you're saying, and I agree
wholeheartedly with the principles of what you're saying, and I
get it. But when you put certain people in the category,
it's hard, right, It's very hard, because there are people
(36:50):
who will look at the video of Puff beating down
Cassie and say that is something that they will walk
away from a person being that. Now I get your point.
Is that that that young Miami might say, well, he
never beat me like that, and such as I I'm
one of those people who was in Puffs like for
(37:13):
the last several the last several years before all of
this stuff unfolded, and we know that he was absolutely
working on himself.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Things had changed about the way that he communicated, the
way in which he was just trying to deal with
self reflection. He would say all the time, you know,
I'm looking at things different, you know, and we can
we can see that. There's a lot of us that
can attest to that. But nevertheless, you can't sit here
and say I'm innocent. You said, you know, I didn't
(37:43):
do the things. No, actually you can't say I didn't
do the things not all the things he was found
not guilty of, or yeah, found not guilty of several things.
So I understand the balance of what you're trying to give.
I get it. But I also can see people who
are like, if you be women, I just can't fuck
(38:04):
with you. And therefore I don't think that young Miami
should be torn down because I do agree with her
with her point that people, if you can't be with
me in the worst of times, then you can't be
with me and the best of times. I agree with that.
I completely agree. No matter what it is that I've
done right, I could have there people out here. I'm
(38:25):
not mad at family members and friends and community people
that show up for a murdered trial. I'm for a
person who's accused of murdering somebody else. I'm not upset
about that because I understand that people have longstanding relationships
with folks that they and whatever their relationship has been,
they love their person for their reasons, and so no,
(38:48):
I don't I wouldn't see and say oh, you can't,
you can't be there for them, but I would say
that we're not gonna compare them to Jesus and say,
oh I was innocent, and they and the people just
came against me. No, the people have justifiable reasons for
saying that they what they saw or what they learned
are things that they don't respect and that they can't
(39:10):
be associated with.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
And I'm not saying you wrong about that. I'm just
trying to say that our people the only people that
don't give anybody grace. There's no comeback, Like my reality
is this unless i've unless you deal with kids, or
you rape the woman. You know, I got friends that
have taken lives, right, so everybody had Like you said,
(39:32):
everybody has their own reality. I just think that black
people's reality and the way that we dismiss somebody who
probably done more shit for us than anybody in the
world over some one thing. Right, It's just it's not
like anybody else. We the only I believe I've watched
we are the only people that do that. I don't
(39:53):
see no other culture do it. I just don't. We
gotta we gotta fucking felling in the White House that
accused them the most shit in the world. And these people,
dumb white people don't give a fuck. They love his
dirty draws. They gonna sit there and tell you the
best man that ever lived in the world. They heard
him say, grab him by the pussy. They don't hurt him,
do everything, and they don't give a fuck, and they
(40:14):
keep making them the president.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Why are you cursing so much today?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
As many times I feel like I need to say
fuck today because I'm pissed off.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
You got a lot of problems last those glasses changed
ever since you got them. Glasses you changed ever since
you got them, glass back.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
And dark more. You're done piss me off, man, But I.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Still I would just say to you, my son, that
every scenario is not comparable. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I'm not saying they all comparable, but I'm just saying
it's exactly. There's the same thing. The same thing is
if I'm in here and I'm taking care of you
and I'm treating you like this, and then I get
in the street and they say I'm the worst person
in the world and you've never seen me do none
of that, And they try to tell you and they
convince you to. Will you say fuck me despite all
the shit I did good for you? Then it never
(41:07):
was real to me.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, thank you, it's so nice to talk to you. Today.
A new season of TMI is coming up, y'all. Know,
the last couple of weeks we've really been talking to
one another. But we've got guests coming that will be
covering the gamut of issues, and I'm really excited to
be in conversation, back in conversation with our people that
(41:31):
are doing such good work across so many different fields.
Black folks, y'all, stay tuned. Make sure that you get
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We need everybody, Lottie, Dottie and everybody to be supporting
us in this new season. The one. The season that
we just came out of was all about a season
(41:52):
of growth for us. A lot of things change. You
all got a chance to see us kind of grow
into ourselves and to and to really recognize what we've
been told that people say they want to hear a
lot more from us directly, that they want to hear
conversations when the two of us are talking and not
always bringing other people, and you know, and not having
(42:13):
time to really flush out some of our ideas and thoughts.
And so we want to give you all the things.
We want you to stick with us, y'all, been with
us for a long time, and the team of my
show is only grown, it's only getting better. Thanking to
the Black Effect Podcast Network for signing us again for
the upcoming season. And it's much love to the family
(42:34):
out there.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And with that, I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika
de Marriage's not gonna always be wrong, but we'll both
and I mean both, always be authentic.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Peace.
I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it's your boy, my son in general.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of t M.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
New name, New energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon,
I'm black blessed?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How you favor?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You have very nice glasses on today? Would you like
to tell us about them?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah? Shut up to my brother step On Marlberry and
he sent me. He sent me these these fine shows. No, No,
I'm just being honest with you, my brother Stefan Marberry Camelo.
I'm part of the Kamelo family. Now you know these
shad's Actually you're just I haven't like look actually, just
(00:45):
you see this and you could change the.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Tent like Aelo needs those because he'd be sitting at
meeting with the dark black shades on.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Sometimes you gotta swear, you gotta switch up the moves
you go. You know you look, I'm gonna get dark
on him. The i'mna lighting up on them. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Stefan Marbury new shades or he been Yes, this is
his new shades.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
They call Camelo. He sent me some. This is fire.
This is my new thing. Now you know, I'm part
of Camelo family. So make sure y'all looking up. Camelo
shout out to my brother step for these though.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
This is fire five black. That's it, that's what right,
all right? So listen, first of all, they look nice though,
let me say that they look nice. Were moving on?
They are there women, shades or.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Just they got everything? They got what you yes to
check it out.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I thought it was for the brethren.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, they got everything, Camelo, go look it up.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I thought it was for the brethren.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Listen, we got everything for you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Who is we?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm part of the time. I'm part of the Camelo
family now, so it's we you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
What you are part of is the nuts the crazy
to you know what I'm saying. All right, let me
tell you a moment.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't know if you know, but that was I
don't do that though.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okay, Well I say what I said, and that was okay.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Nuts was pas all right? Got you go?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You the shades might have made your mind them too,
because you mug out AnyWho. So you know, I was
thinking about this as it relates to my thought of
the day. I was thinking about these two different things
that I'm holding. On one hand, I realized that part
(02:42):
of why you see so many organizations, institutions, media entities
that are black owned or black run, primarily black black focused,
not being able to sustain, not just now, but just
over time in general, is because we as a people
(03:08):
are not as invested financially in holding up our institutions. Right. So,
one of the things that we've been you know, for
years and years and years, we've been hearing HBCUs say
we need alumni participation, need schools, We need students to
(03:30):
give back to their schools. The people who have now
gone onto these big jobs. The schools prepared you to
go out into the world do all this big stuff.
Now you have these big jobs, and we need an
investment back into the work of the institution so other
people coming up behind you have some of the same opportunities.
(03:51):
But also I know that most of the college presidents
that I know, and the chairman of the board and
all of that, they spend a lot of time looking
for money everywhere at the end of us a school
year or even a semester to make sure that students
who fall short have the money to keep going. And
it's a process, and it's not about your grade point average,
(04:16):
because you could be a four point old student and
still not have enough money to finish because your parents
may have financial hardship. Maybe you shouldn't even you know,
you should not have technically, technically been able to get
into this school in the first place. And there's not
a lot of resources to keep you going. And so
(04:38):
that's a real thing, right like people asking for there
to be an investment from alumni at HBCUs. Then you
have the issue of black media where you've got people
like Roland Martin out here, and it's not just rolling now.
Of course, you have asked Ashley Allison at the you
(04:58):
have Ashley Alice at the Route. You have let's think
about Black Effect podcast network. You have a number of
entities where black folks at the Joy and Read show,
Don Lemon's show, I mean our show, which is on
Black Effect. But nevertheless, people can support us directly by subscribing.
(05:22):
So there's the subscriptions which are important, but then there's
also literally doing things like investing in black newspapers, investing
in the Black Star Network, which is Roland Martin's network,
and investment might mean being a subscriber that's paying ten
dollars a month or being someone who donates to the
(05:44):
entities because you can actually donate to Roland and that
helps him to keep his network going. And so a
lot of times our relationship to like clicking subscribe our
relationship to sending a donation to supporting organizations. And know
this is not the plug for until Freedom. Of course,
(06:06):
if you want to get to until freedom is until
freedom dot com. But I'm not even talking about specific organizations,
because there are organizations that are in your particular city,
people who are working right in your neighborhood, and your
relationship to them is simply I saw them on the news,
(06:26):
maybe I passed them, passed them by, But I do
not see myself as a sustaining partner, a member that
would help to keep the organization's work going. And I
think we have to really, really, really challenge ourselves because
one of the things that I notice is that here's
(06:47):
my thought of the day. One of the things that
I've paid close attention to is the way that we
will spend our money on things that make us feel good,
the trinkets in life, and then have literally or virtually
close to no relationship at all. With institutions and networks
(07:13):
that are actually doing good work on our behalf. So
we will have the name brand bags, the name brand shoes.
We might well have vacations, we have great family time,
we have experiences. And this I am not judging anybody
because I got labels. I like vacations, I like nice dinners.
(07:36):
I like to go out with family. I'm not limiting
myself in any way, shape or form in terms of
what I can do. But I'm also a person who
make sure that I spend some of my resources with
black institutions. And I have to ask us as a people,
(07:57):
you know, while trying to hold the idea that none
of us should stop enjoying. This is what I mean
by I'm holding two things. None of us should stop
enjoying the things in our lives that make us happy.
But we have to have a balance also to say,
my sister, my friend, or somebody that I respect, a
(08:18):
black woman, black man, black person came out with a book,
Let me purchase a book. This organization is in my neighborhood,
or they do great national work, Let me support them.
I came out of HBCU, or I like this particular HBCU.
I didn't go there, but I know about them, and
I see the fruits of their labor. Let me make
(08:40):
sure that I put my money there, even if it's
two hundred dollars once a year. We've got to change
sort of our relationship to holding things that have been
in our community foundational and not spend so much of
our resources in time. While we should still do all
the things saying don't do it, but what we have
(09:03):
an attraction to things outside of our community and not
necessarily and I don't think that's beneficial to us. I
don't see any reason why, you know, actively black should
not be sold out to where they can't even keep
things in stop constantly because their quality is great. But
there have been people that when I have asked, they're like, oh,
(09:25):
I don't know, what is it that we don't know
because we don't know anybody that works at all these
other companies, Allo, Lululemon, all of these names, which is cute,
but it's still why would we not want to help
to build a black institution? And I guess the question
that I'm struggling with is whether or not this is
(09:47):
really I've heard people say it before, but I'm really
trying to figure out is there a mental block for
supporting our own and what is it? Do we think
that that takes us downward? And you know it, and
it decreases our value in society versus if we go
out and buy things that might not might cost the same,
(10:09):
might not even be expensive, but because it has white
owned labels on it, it's it boosts our ego and
make us feel like we're we're getting it because we're
able to buy outside of the community. I just think
it's something while we're in this time period where obviously
financially a lot of us are being impacted in different ways,
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but we have to think about what it looks like
to be in community with one another and try to
hold our institutions up.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I think that's a very good question. And I say
all the time that we really adopted the narrative that
the white man's ice is colder, and you know they've
marketed to us, you know they market they called it.
I heard there's a saying that they call black people
liquid money. Like you know that they just pretty much
we are the biggest consumers in the world market everything.
(11:00):
They market everything to us to consume, and we brought
into that narrative. You know, we don't have the biggest
marketing firms in the world marketing. They're our products to
each other, and we haven't been taught that most of
the time that our products are just as deemed just
as worthy. We don't believe that, right. We think if
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a black person owns, especially if you know the black
person and you watch that black person come from the bottom,
then you feel like it's not really that serious. He's
supposed to give it to you. You're supposed to get
a discount. He's supposed to look out like. We don't
value that. We don't know this white man from a
hole in the wall, and we've assumed that he's done
something magical to these clothes or these shoes that he
(11:45):
got that's gonna do something for us when we spend
thousands of dollars on it and we won't spend a
few hundred to give our brothers half of that. You
know what I'm saying. And it's really it's a sickness.
It comes from trauma. You know. It dates back to slavery, theys,
back to not being able to have nothing and seeing
massive have all the nice things and being happy just
(12:05):
the way it's hand me downs, you know, and being
happy just to be, you know, in congruent to him,
just to be in proximity to whiteness. And that's what
we've adopted. I say all the time, people are like, yo,
I can't wait to get off the Hood, and I
never used to say that. I always like, I want
to fix the hood. I want the hood to be
just as valuable as the white people communities. Why are
(12:26):
we not building up the places and the people that
come from where we come from so we can make
them be able to compete with the white people's stuff, right,
it's nothing wrong, Like it's nothing wrong that they got
this year.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't know if I think it's cool to say
that we want to live in the hood. And I've
never been a person to move I mean, well once
in my life, but that was because I lived with
someone who lived completely outside of the quote end quote hood.
But I've always been adjacent, very near, very close, and
(13:00):
very very much so a frequent visitor. Nevertheless, there are
situations where you begin to see that the more success
you have, the more dangerous it is to be around
people who have decided that they will not allow you
to grow and that they will do anything to try
to sabotage whatever success you have been able to create
(13:24):
for yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And I think I think that that comes. That's redefining
and rebuilding culture, right, and I think it's a it's
a process. I think there has to be sacrifices made. Right.
You have to come to your community. You have to
come as them, right. You can't come better like you're
trying to do something out of charity. No, it's building
(13:47):
with them. It's having them invest in the community. It's
going to the community and say, hey, what you got
to invest in this. We're gonna buy this store together.
We're all gonna chip into this, and we're gonna own
this store. What you got for this, We're gonna put
you can work here. It's taking the real time to
create an ecosystem to where everybody feels involved, not like
you coming to give charity and you looking down on
(14:09):
them and you come in your big car and you say, y'all, Misa,
stay here and we ain't got nothing, and you looking
like stak. No, that's not even common sense. I'm talking
about really being from your community, giving back to your
community and figuring out how do we rebuild our community.
How do we take these buildings, how do we take
these projects? How do we we we pull our resources,
(14:29):
pull our money to where we're teaching our people about ownership,
we owning things together, we letting them be a part
of what we do right without tearing each other down,
I think, And that's it's not gonna be easy. It's
not gonna be easy.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Not because I hear what you're saying, but I just
listened to, for instance, you and I were talking about
this the other day. I'm just watching the way that
some some black people talk about Mayor Rasbaraka and Newark
and Jersey, right. I mean the things that they say,
(15:04):
the way that they try to tear that man down,
knowing which we get to see up close and personal,
how committed he is to Newer, to New Jersey, to
black people, the sacrifices that he's made, the ways in
which he upholds his like black black miss without compromise
(15:30):
in the face of people trying to tell him that
you know, you gotta, you know, capitulate over here over here,
and he won't. And yet and still they rip him
to shreds at times over things that as I'm listening
to what they're talking about. It's like so obvious that
what they're saying is something like super propaganda nonsense that
(15:52):
people are picking up. Now they'll say, oh, you don't
live here, you don't get to tell us what's propaganda.
But they do it to us too, right, And in
the middle of some of the worst things that we've
you know that that or both of us have had
to deal with. In terms of criticism, I've had people
say I've been right there because this is a normal
(16:14):
thing that even when you're trying and not And by
the way, I'm sure raspber Racket is not perfect and
he does everything one hundred percent right, nor mine, nor
you and a million other people, but you don't even
really get credit for the actual commitment and the effort
(16:35):
to try to do your best. That doesn't from some people.
I can't say from all people, because for the most part,
people are very much so grateful for the work they
see it, and they know that there is no perfect person,
no perfect leader, and so most people will but there
(16:56):
are some people, and it only takes one person in
your local commit union when you're trying to live in
the hood and build it up and do all the
things the great things that you're speaking about. To be
an asshole that ends up trying to mess with your
family or start some shit with your wife or your husband,
or nudge your child or they kids is wild and
(17:17):
out of control. Next thing you know, you in the
middle of some big beef with them over nonsense, oh
the car or why you looking at me like when
you say that living in your community. I'm not saying
I don't want to be as close, if not in
my community as possible. But I also know that there
are people who are intentional sabotagers. That's what they do,
(17:41):
that's what they work on, well they do.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
They work on that in all areas, right. You know
Lebron James living a billionaire establishment and they wrote nigga
on his gates, right, So some people get pulled over,
you know on which Ryan Coogler got pulled over trying
to take arrested for taking his money out of his bank.
So there's different forms of attack in every place that
we go. I'm saying what we should be invested in, right,
(18:06):
not saying that one person should do it. I'm saying
there should be a full on invested investment marketing plan
where we create a town, and we saw creating towns
where we live in. We go to communities that we
have and rebuilding our communities, educating our people, are giving them,
giving them room to flirst because we know what I've
(18:27):
known for a fact is that every community that is
given the proper resources and properly educated will thrive. If
you look at hip hop is the biggest example of
that situation. When you look at hip hop artists who
start to come in this game. You know, you look
at a jay Z that came in this game. You
even look at fifty Cent, you look at the Nas,
(18:49):
you look at Cameron, you look at you just look
at people evolved from being the people that was on
the corner that were selling drugs to being a businessman
who were not getting in no trouble. We educate our people,
we buying more things. We you know, we're doing the
things that's necessary. So because they had the opportunity and
got the resources, and when you see different things that
(19:11):
you understand is a world outside of the negativity that
we've been taught to gravitate to inside this culture. I'm
just gonna go straight to mine. I don't get it,
my I don't get it. Is why do we tear
down our people so bad? Like we tear that everybody
(19:32):
that becomes successful. We can't wait to pull them down,
and we're happy to hear them in bullshit. I'm not
saying that they perfect, but we can't wait to throw
every conspiracy theory that they got at jay Z. We
couldn't wait. We couldn't Ninety percent of people couldn't wait
to hear the negativetivity about Puff. We couldn't wait to
(19:53):
watch Bill COB's We couldn't. We just couldn't wait. And
I'm not saying that what they did they were They
didn't deserve to get punt to the people that things
because jay Z has not been accused of mean, convicted
of anything, but people can't wait to put him in
a little minati. They put him here, they put him there.
It's like people want to pray on a downfall of
our people. I say all the time, even the leaders
(20:14):
that wasn't even in the industry we talk about Malcolm
Max were talking about mom Our. People have tore those
people down. They only became just this famous as martyrs
when they was alive. Our own people was tearing them down.
Doctor Bernice King says it all the time that people
romanticize her father, But when he was alive, y'all hated
(20:35):
that man. Y'all people called him the most dangerous person
in the world. You had them on FBR lists like
these are realities, and our people brought into it. Every
time one of our leaders are exalted into the next level.
They said, all they got to do is say you stole.
They say you stole, and that's it. Now we discredit
And it's the same fucking strategy every time. You can't
(20:59):
tell me that none of our leaders with good people.
All of them just stole from us and backstabbed us
and sold us out, like every time, Like, come on,
I just I'm just tired of it. It's the same
fucking playbook and we fall for it every time. I'm
sitting there watching right, I'm listening to Jay Z's interview,
which was a good interview by GQ the Young Boy Summer.
He did a very good, very good interview, and I'm
(21:21):
listening to Jay and he's like, Yo, a lot of
this shit, He's like, Yo, it's crazy, Like it hurts right,
but you don't know that you think people think that
you know this the person don't feel nothing. He could
just take all this shit. He's hearing, all this shit
about him. It's like this shit hurt me. I'm I'm
a man and I live by certain principles, and he's like,
even when I was in the street, there was certain
shit that was just you just didn't do. So it's
(21:44):
like understanding that and then you look at this moment.
But now he got three shows to to, you know,
to ins like Yankee Stadium sold out, the Roots Picnic
is sold out, gonna add another night, and it's like
one hundreds almost one hundred thousand people could this just
sold out in minutes. But y'all wanted to tear him down.
(22:08):
You you look for anything possible to destroy somebody that
came from nothing and built itself up, Like why why
are we why do we have this crab in a barrel? Bullshit.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
People will say that putting Puff and Bill Cosby and
all these other people together is two totally different things,
number one, But.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
They can't say it because it don't matter what the
situation is. It's people. I'm saying that in every situation
black people could not wait to pull.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It in black people because not.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Not every black person I'm saying the majority, but the
majority of the voices that you heard that was the
loudest that was tearing them down with black people, it
wasn't white people.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Listen to me. I don't. I don't go. I'm gonna
tell you right now, I don't go. I don't go
to one. I don't know one major site where white
people was that that was talking about Diddy the way
black people was nothing. I don't know. I don't know nothing. Well,
there's no major platform that white people own that was
hell bit on Diddy. There's no major platform and white
(23:16):
people on where you even hear them talk about jay Z.
I could go to any fucking news, I'd go to
websites anything. There's no jay Z slammed about white people.
The only people trying to pull jay Z into every
scandal possible is black people. That's a few. There's no
white people doing it. This is just not happening.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
First off, let me say that you cannot say that
in the case of Bill Cosby because he had majority
white women who have accused him of drugging them and
sexually assaulting them. SSA, I think is what you're supposed
to say, Okay, so if the hell with who was
(23:58):
talking about him on the internet or on media in media,
the main people who are his accusers are white women.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's but that's not my my thing. You're conflating.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
My point.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I was just saying that you was conflating two different things.
I wasn't talking about the accuser. I'm not even talking
about the act or the crime that he's committed. Those
are two different things. I'm talking about the people who market,
promoted and amplify it. It's black people against black people
all the time. I'm just trying to say, we don't.
I never see even when we're talking about the white people,
(24:39):
like we always say, oh, it ain't our job to
talk about white people, and you're right, but they don't
even talk about them the way we talk about us.
They don't.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I don't agree, Okay, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Tell you me. Okay, all right, I do it.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
The reason why I say that is because I personally
don't think that you follow white outlets the same way
that I do follow some of them, and the way
in which they do it is different. So our culture
is different. We we we have a different Our social
(25:16):
media is different. The way that, you know, we say
everything through jokes, through just you know, a barrage of
people with their sayings and you know, and their sarcasm
and all of that. We do have that. But when
I go look in white publications, they write hit pieces,
(25:41):
right they It's not that they're not, it's just different
the culture. But they I look right now at how
white people is tearing up. Jeffrey Epstein's asked, they're going
in in and in, They're going in on Trump, they're
going in on.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Other different seen is dead you too much? But what
are you talking about? Okay?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But even before that, even when he was accused now
social media.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That man was doing that shit for thirty or forty.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Years, I understand, But it only became it only became
public knowledge to people at a certain point.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And since then I have watched them write their pieces
and their stories and their social media posts and all
of that. I think that what happens is that you're
in a bubble, and I'm in that same bubble, so
I get to see it the way in which we do.
We absolutely use our social media and our voices, if
(26:46):
you will, to amplify mess. I'm not saying that we don't.
I'm just saying that there are other ways that different.
I think if you were saying that you don't see
the Asian community engaging than the same amount of public
attacks against their own, I would agree with you about that.
But white people their authors of attacks, it just might
(27:10):
look a little different. And moreover, I feel like white
people to a large degree control the algorithm that even
helps to spread our responses or taxes, and they do
do it.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And that's what I'm trying to explain. They do it
because they can't wait for you to utilize your voice
to tear down to people that they feel is in
their way that's actually gaining headway, that are infiltrating into
their systems and their structures and actually able to build
generational wealth and figuring out a strategy. All of those people,
they can't wait to give you the microphone so that
(27:48):
your algorithm can take over the shit and you can
attack them. They can't wait. They gonna do it all
the time. The algorithm listen to me soon as in
twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, when we started to voice about
Brionna Taylor and fight for George Floyd and we win,
that algorithm they started to build a counter algorithm against me.
There's a counter algorithm that anybody that talks negatively about
(28:12):
me will get following. That's just a thing they created.
No matter what. I've watched people talk negatively about me
and get thirty thousand, thirty thousand followers every week. Yeah,
I've watched people constantly build you know, followings for attacking
me because they seeing that I was powerful in a
certain way and started to say, you know what, We're
(28:34):
gonna build a counter algorithm. We're gonna allow people whoever
says some counter to him to be amplified.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I say, you definitely have one, definitely a machine. Yeah
that works against you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
But it's not just me. It's a bunch of people.
It's just like every time, like.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Most of them people they're not black.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But you mean most of the people that I'm.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Black, they're not. They fake pages. You don't know what
colors some of them pages.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm not even talking about the pages of the people.
I'm talking about the people that they implify to come
against me be black people. It don't even be the
pages that I'm talking about. It's three or four people
that I've watched that if you go on they pages
about one hundred. If they got over one hundred, some
of the things where they said about me and they
follow would just constantly grow because they talking about me
(29:24):
like this is a thing. So They'm trying to tell you.
They build the counter narrative. They build up the counter
narrative to compete with you and push you out the algorithm.
This is what they do, and we grab on to it.
We can't wait.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Wow, I still would beg to differ as it relates
to I don't know. I don't think I see white people.
I read white people news all day long. That's a
part of my morning, noon, and night. I read white
people news, and I see what they be talking about
(29:59):
and and white things will be doing to their own
people about a lot of things. Our culture is just different.
I'm probably not explaining it the best, but it's just different.
So I get how it seems. And I know we
do tear one another down. We are very good at
that right and we don't save it for people who
(30:21):
are doing egregious things like we don't care what it is.
If we get a little glimpse of something that might be,
were just ready ready. And part of that is because
it's easy, feel easier to attack one another than it
is to deal with the olppressor. We were in a
meeting the other day and I said, it's interesting that
(30:41):
here we are in this space ready to beat each
other up, and the people, the places, and the things
with the real power that's actually obstructing our pathway towards
what we're trying to get done, they're never in the room,
so's it's so much easier for us to go in
(31:02):
on one another. And I do I hear what you're saying.
I do agree with you, But I just think that
that that we do ourselves a disservice when we believe
that it is singular, because it's not. It's in terms
of black people. White people be doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The thing is, I don't see I don't see the suffering, right,
I don't see when we say that the white people
do the same thing. When I see when I see
like successful white people, I don't see like the backlash
to where they lose anything. Like Jerry Jones was with
(31:42):
the with the slave owners and all of that, and
at the school, there's no bad They talked about it
for two days. They put Steven A. Smith to get
up there say Jerry Jones a good man. Right, I
didn't see I didn't hear a bunch of white people,
even fucking Lebron said. Lebron said, y'all come here every day,
asks me about Kyrie, but nobody asked me one question
about Jerry Jones. I'm the biggest and we inside the
(32:06):
sports y'all will come in here a thousand times and
Kyrie this and Kyrie that, but nobody said it about
Jerry Jones. Right, there's been There was a whole fucking
scandal with the NFL people that was doing getting the massages.
I ain't hear nothing since it happened. They talked about
it one day. We ain't heard about it. They still rich.
They're going fucking Brett fav stole the welfare money. Nobody
(32:28):
hears about it. We talked about it. They talked about
it for five minutes and he disappeared. This is what
I'm trying to say. We don't I don't see them.
They'll talk about it, they report the news and they
move on from it. Donald Trump, right, the worst president
in the history of anything. There's no president that have
been worked and white people made sure that he was
(32:50):
president again. But this is what I'm saying. We don't
do that. We will never exalt. We will never exalt
somebody that we said was bad. Any we would.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You're contradicting yourself because you said jay Z that people
attack him, they try to tear him down, they.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Hate, they don't have they don't have anything.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yet they sold out the stadium three days and another
and the Roots picnic. And I'm just saying that we
will invest in entertainment for people who we claim we hate,
we will do it. We will exalt people who we
claim we hate. If they left pop out of jail
right now and he goes and does r Kelly is
(33:38):
an example. People say they don't like sexual abuse, they
don't like children being hard, they don't like any of that,
and yet if he put a concert.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
On right now, console Kelly, Kelly do sixty years in prison.
This is what I'm trying to talk about. But look
what I'm trying to explain to you. Even when you
look at Puff, the Puff is in jail right doing time.
But shit that people wouldn't even be doing time for.
(34:09):
And you know it's the loudest people that couldn't wait
and say you need to be in jail. That can't wait.
Niggas got the document. Everything they can to destroy everything
that man has, can't. People mad as somebody for saying
that they support him. They mad at somebody anyway if
you say, yo, man, I want to see all mad
how you what the fuck you mean?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like every hypocritical because people will be. There's some people
that aretend toes down and their support against violence against women,
you know, and and a number of things that we
saw play out in that case are Kelly's case and
other situations. But there's a lot of people that they
(34:50):
own house, the messiest shit, They own stuff, but they
are able to project everything because they know nobody knows
nor kids what's going on with them, and they could
project out into the world.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I was watching Young Miami's interview right and she was
just talking about how just because she was with somebody
supported somebody wrote a letter, she lost money. And she said,
the reality is this person wasn't that person. Whatever that
happened in that time, I didn't have that person. I
met somebody else. Person amplified me, made me feel powerful,
(35:24):
talked life into me, treated me like a queen. And
people hate you because you don't desert somebody that they
don't like, right, and this is the shit that this
is the world that we live in. I got so
much respect for her because it takes a lot to
stand in the fire with somebody that the world has
deemed unworthy, knowing that they've done the best shit for you.
(35:45):
Everybody ain't gonna do that. It's like Judas, it's the
same that that's the Judas shit, Right, Judas he told Judas,
you will deny me three times. Right. I did nothing
but feed you. I took you around. I treated you
like a brother. As soon as the people turned on
me and they walked me through the town and they
were stone in me, and they said, you the guy
that was with Jesus. You like, no, no, not me.
(36:08):
You know, I'm saying, fuck that I did all the
good things possible for you. Now that I'm getting stoned,
and you know, I ain't doing nothing. You know, I'm
not guilty of the shit today said. But because the
people said it, and you you want to be liked
or you don't want to deal with, you know, the
persecution that comes with it. You'll say, you don't even
know me, And that's just why shit, that's that's our
(36:28):
society we live in.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I just I understand what you're saying, and I agree
wholeheartedly with the principles of what you're saying, and I
get it. But when you put certain people in the category,
it's hard, right, It's very hard, because there are people
(36:50):
who will look at the video of Puff beating down
Cassie and say that is something that they will walk
away from a person being that. Now I get your point.
Is that that that young Miami might say, well, he
never beat me like that, and such as I I'm
one of those people who was in Puffs like for
(37:13):
the last several the last several years before all of
this stuff unfolded, and we know that he was absolutely
working on himself.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Things had changed about the way that he communicated, the
way in which he was just trying to deal with
self reflection. He would say all the time, you know,
I'm looking at things different, you know, and we can
we can see that. There's a lot of us that
can attest to that. But nevertheless, you can't sit here
and say I'm innocent. You said, you know, I didn't
(37:43):
do the things. No, actually you can't say I didn't
do the things not all the things he was found
not guilty of, or yeah, found not guilty of several things.
So I understand the balance of what you're trying to give.
I get it. But I also can see people who
are like, if you be women, I just can't fuck
(38:04):
with you. And therefore I don't think that young Miami
should be torn down because I do agree with her
with her point that people, if you can't be with
me in the worst of times, then you can't be
with me and the best of times. I agree with that.
I completely agree. No matter what it is that I've
done right, I could have there people out here. I'm
(38:25):
not mad at family members and friends and community people
that show up for a murdered trial. I'm for a
person who's accused of murdering somebody else. I'm not upset
about that because I understand that people have longstanding relationships
with folks that they and whatever their relationship has been,
they love their person for their reasons, and so no,
(38:48):
I don't I wouldn't see and say oh, you can't,
you can't be there for them, but I would say
that we're not gonna compare them to Jesus and say,
oh I was innocent, and they and the people just
came against me. No, the people have justifiable reasons for
saying that they what they saw or what they learned
are things that they don't respect and that they can't
(39:10):
be associated with.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
And I'm not saying you wrong about that. I'm just
trying to say that our people the only people that
don't give anybody grace. There's no comeback, Like my reality
is this unless i've unless you deal with kids, or
you rape the woman. You know, I got friends that
have taken lives, right, so everybody had Like you said,
(39:32):
everybody has their own reality. I just think that black
people's reality and the way that we dismiss somebody who
probably done more shit for us than anybody in the
world over some one thing. Right, It's just it's not
like anybody else. We the only I believe I've watched
we are the only people that do that. I don't
(39:53):
see no other culture do it. I just don't. We
gotta we gotta fucking felling in the White House that
accused them the most shit in the world. And these people,
dumb white people don't give a fuck. They love his
dirty draws. They gonna sit there and tell you the
best man that ever lived in the world. They heard
him say, grab him by the pussy. They don't hurt him,
do everything, and they don't give a fuck, and they
(40:14):
keep making them the president.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Why are you cursing so much today?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
As many times I feel like I need to say
fuck today because I'm pissed off.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
You got a lot of problems last those glasses changed
ever since you got them. Glasses you changed ever since
you got them, glass back.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
And dark more. You're done piss me off, man, But I.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Still I would just say to you, my son, that
every scenario is not comparable. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I'm not saying they all comparable, but I'm just saying
it's exactly. There's the same thing. The same thing is
if I'm in here and I'm taking care of you
and I'm treating you like this, and then I get
in the street and they say I'm the worst person
in the world and you've never seen me do none
of that, And they try to tell you and they
convince you to. Will you say fuck me despite all
the shit I did good for you? Then it never
(41:07):
was real to me.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, thank you, it's so nice to talk to you. Today.
A new season of TMI is coming up, y'all. Know,
the last couple of weeks we've really been talking to
one another. But we've got guests coming that will be
covering the gamut of issues, and I'm really excited to
be in conversation, back in conversation with our people that
(41:31):
are doing such good work across so many different fields.
Black folks, y'all, stay tuned. Make sure that you get
at least ten people to subscribe to the TMI show.
We need everybody, Lottie, Dottie and everybody to be supporting
us in this new season. The one. The season that
we just came out of was all about a season
(41:52):
of growth for us. A lot of things change. You
all got a chance to see us kind of grow
into ourselves and to and to really recognize what we've
been told that people say they want to hear a
lot more from us directly, that they want to hear
conversations when the two of us are talking and not
always bringing other people, and you know, and not having
(42:13):
time to really flush out some of our ideas and thoughts.
And so we want to give you all the things.
We want you to stick with us, y'all, been with
us for a long time, and the team of my
show is only grown, it's only getting better. Thanking to
the Black Effect Podcast Network for signing us again for
the upcoming season. And it's much love to the family
(42:34):
out there.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And with that, I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika
de Marriage's not gonna always be wrong, but we'll both
and I mean both, always be authentic.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Peace.
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