July 15, 2025 • 44 mins
We’re diving into the subject of Netflix’s documentary “A Deadly American Marriage”, which follows the story of Jason Corbett’s murder.
Plus, we have updates on Bryan Kohberger, Denise Richards and Justin Bieber & Scooter Braun.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
be your host today Emily Simpson and Shane and Shane.
Just Shane. First of all, we just want to do
a couple little things that have been in the news
lately that I thought was interesting. It's first of all,
we're going to talk about a little bit about Justin
Bieber and the Scooter Braun settlement. I didn't know a
lot about this or that there was anything going on
(00:22):
to do no, so I just did a little research
read some articles. So I just want to give a
brief overview of that if you've seen that in the
news or you had questions about it. So, according to
an article that was in Cosmopolitan, Justin Bieber and his
former manager, Scooter Bron have been locked in a financial
battle since twenty twenty three, after Scooter and his company
Hibe covered the cost of Justin's world tour that he
(00:44):
canceled back in twenty twenty two. Allegedly, he still owed
twenty six million to Hype as Hibe it's with a
B like be as in boy. He still owed twenty
six million to Hibe as of last week. In addition
to this, Justin also reported owed Scooter braun eleven million
in unpaid commissions from when they worked together, and per TMZ,
(01:08):
that's on top of the eight point six million and
unpaid commissions that Scooter agreed to forfeit. So back on
July tenth, TMZ reported that Justin and Scooter had reached
a financial settlement in which Justin agreed to pay Scooter
the twenty six million, as well as five point five
million for unpaid commissions, totaling thirty one point five million.
(01:31):
My question to you is, do you think that it
was easy for him to settle that because now his
wife just got a billion dollars from the sale of
her cosmetic company.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I don't know. Maybe I don't really know. Uh so
he's just paying the full amount.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No, he's not paying the full amount. But I mean,
he owed twenty six million and some eleven million in
unpaid commissions and then another eight point six but they
settled on thirty one point five.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, he might have settled because he had to. He
canceled that concert like last minute, I remember, yeah, so,
and like I don't I think he gave it very good.
It's not like there was some publicly known reason like
he was in a car wreck where he was ill
or something. He just canceled.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, and obviously when you have a world tour like
Justin Bieber, you invest millions and millions of dollars in
it to set it up up front.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh absolutely, so you're you're footing this.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So basically Scooter Braun and his production company footed the
bill for this world tour.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Bigger question is is that his real name Scooter?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Is that what's on your mind?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, yes, that is, because I bet there's no Scooter
in this world. That said, when I'm older, there's going
to be some pop star that owes me thirty million
dollars and he's gonna pay up.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, Scooter doesn't go along with thirty million. No, neither
Justin nor Scooter have publicly confirmed the settlement. News of
the settlement comes after The Hollywood Reporter published a story
in April claiming that Justin was twenty million in debt
after canceling his tour and making a series of bad
financial decisions. At that time. When that article came out,
representatives for Justin denied the claims, telling the Hollywood Reporter, quote,
(03:04):
any source that is trying to sell you a story
about alleged financial distress, either doesn't understand the entertainment industry, or,
more likely, is trying to paint an unflattering portrait of
Justin which bears no resemblance to reality. End quote. You know,
I also, I've never been like a big Justin Bieber fan.
I can name like two songs that he's sang. I
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feel like when I've seen him in the news lately,
he's been a little dishoveled and not looking quite his
pop stars normally.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
When has he looked like a pop star?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
When he was younger, he looked like a pop.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Star like fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So you're saying, now he has a wife and a kid, so.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And tat's all over his body, and oh, he's just
it's just he's got a dad bought and he's got
a puff. Daddy really did a number on him.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
They took away his innocence.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
They were connected. This settlement came one day before Justin
released his seventh studio album, Swag, which is his first
album in four years. Haley Bieber, Justin's wife's old her
cosmetic brand road to Elf Beauty at the end of
May for one billion. Some fans speculate it could have
been to help with her husband's financial struggles. I don't
(04:10):
know about that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's like like you have a little bit of debt,
so you sell your billion dollar company. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Like like, look, don't worry about it. Justin I to
sell my company for a.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Billion a broad sale to raise some money. I don't
think that's the reason. I'm sure she sold it because
it was a business decision. Yeah, and she's probably like,
my husband doesn't make good business decisions, so I'm going
to make one. I'm going to sell us.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, it was crazy to me to think that
a cosmetic company started by someone who's just kind of
out there as an influencer.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's not like, well, she had more than that. She
had more strings to pull than that. Isn't her dad
a Baldwin?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, her dad's a bald But that gives.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You opportunity, connections, direction. People are going to come to
you a little bit more and say, can I, you know,
propose this business opportunity. She's gonna have more opportunities. I'm
not saying it's wrong, but clearly she knows where to
start more than I would.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, I was just thinking if I started a cosmetic.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Is that her mom Hilaria?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
No, that's not her mom.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh oh really she has.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's her uncle's wife.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And it's oh, who's her dad? Her dad's not.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Alec no, or does not Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Her dad's Stephen Baldwin. Okay, I believe, but Alec baldw
would be her uncle. And it's hilario.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's hilarious. She makes that accent all the time and
she's like doing weird stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, she said she she said it's because she's bilingual.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
To her accent, it's like born and raised here she has,
doesn't she have like some Spanish background? I think? But
all of a sudden I saw that video where she was like,
how do you say cucumbers? It's like, uh yeah, cucumbers,
that's her mother tongue. And then she'd shut him up
in the red carpet and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
why I don't lock the red carpet with you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it would be the same, and.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You would shut me up sort of like our living room.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All right, let's move on to Denise Richards and Aaron
Piper's okay. First of all, Shane has been dying to
talk about family law, So I have you? Have you
been saying we should find a family law case to
talk about. So here's a little family law case. So
Aaron Phipers filed his petition to divorce Denise Richards on Monday,
July seventh, after six years of marriage? What is your
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first question when you know it's been six years of marriage?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's my first questions? A legal question or like a
relationship question.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, my first question when I saw that they'd been
married for six years, the first thing that popped into
my mind was why didn't he just toick it out
for another four years? Another four years and then filed
for divorce because California, after ten years of marriage, you
can get, or you can at least request permanent spousal support.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well, it's not permanent, but it's until death, marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Or what's cohabitating?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Somebody's really tough to prove. Yeah, No, it's death or
marriage pretty much is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Really, of course I knew I was waiting for you
to say that. Fipers filed his petition in Los Angeles
County Superior Court. He lists July fourth, as the date
of his separation from Richards. I thought this was interesting too,
because I feel like, on July fourth, do people just
get drink too much, watch fireworks and then decide to
get divorced. Like, how does the July fourth the separation?
Like they must have there must have been an incident.
(07:41):
I feel like the two do not share children, but
Richards has two adult daughters with ex husband Charlie Sheene.
She is also the mother of a teenage daughter whom
she adopted as an infant. Fibers is reportedly seeking spousal
support from Richards, according to court documents and his declaration,
because you know he has to. In the petitional declaration,
Viper's claims that he makes no income since closing down
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his wellness center last year. I'm going to tell you
his wellness center probably didn't make a lot of income either,
and estimates that Richard's makes more than two hundred and
fifty thousand a month from brand deals, TV shows and
OnlyFans content. Vipers has asked to keep their assets and
debts as separate property, including I thought this was funny,
(08:28):
including his he only wants three things. He just wants
to walk away with three well he wants spousal.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Support should be expousalve sport called spousal support.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I don't know, but he wants to walk away
with not only spousal support, but he wants to keep
his power tools, his motorcycle in a sports car.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, I mean, why would he want to give that up?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, he wouldn't. But I'm just saying, it's like, it's
like his douchebag collection. I just want to keep my tools.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He had nothing. He had my muscle shirts and my
Corvette hat exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That's what I'm saying. It's like he's like just wants
to take his douchebag kit with him on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Now, what happened was he probably didn't have anything, and
then his attorney's like, you got to have something, dude.
He's like, this looks that you look like a deadbeat
if you got nothing.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He's like, I got I got tools. According to the
divorce petition, he claims that he spends nearly one hundred
and five thousand a month including this is what I
don't understand, is this he When you fill out your
financial declaration and you're getting a divorce, are you you're
(09:31):
talking about your current expenses, right, Yeah, but he's saying
that he spends eighteen thousand on rent, which is for
both of them, five thousand on repairs whatever that is,
and seven thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh it's like, why does she use your power tools?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah? It's seven thousand on childcare, ten thousand on groceries.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And who's child?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, that's what I mean. Like, first of all, their
children are all adult ages, So I have an attorney.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Do you fill it out himself? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That's we need to look. I need to acttually look
at the petition and see if he's represented or if
he just did this on his own. And fifteen thousand
on eating out?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Look, I have how much on groceries?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
He says ten thousand a month on groceries.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So he goes twenty five hundred dollars a week on
groceries and he eats out at three thousands, at five thousand,
almost five thousand dollars a month, four thousand dollars a
month a week a week. Yeah, so he spends six
thousand plus dollars a week on food. Yah, while someone's
watching is someone else sat? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And don't forget he uses his power tools?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
How much time they spent on baby oil. That's my question.
That's where it looks like it's going.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
According to a source who spoke with us Weekly, Vipers
has taken on many of the responsibilities at home.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, he has it. You know, it's right. It's because
he spends all his day putting groceries away.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Because financial declaration screams the opposite of that. Aaron gave
up a lot to help Denise day to day. He
has taken care of the kids, the pets to his parents.
Denise and her work for only fans, and he's fixed
up the houses they've lived in. Okay, that's where the
tools come in his rental house.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, right, I mean where the people the landlord
should be doing that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
They wouldn't be making ends meet without only fans. The
source shares it saved them findance.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
They'd been making ends meet. They spend so much freaking
money on groceries and eating out, well and child care
for you know, unknown children for no.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well they have three kids, but they're all adults.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, he probably pays his kids to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You just have kids.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I don't know. Then, what's she doing with them?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't know. He here's the thing, he clease.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Where how did he get in this lifestyle? And I'm
I'm running around doing dishes this morning while you get
your nails done.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I don't know you. Would you like me to do
only fans?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
No, they wouldn't be making.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They wouldn't be making ends meet without only fans. The
source shares it saved them financially, and Denny has supported
him financially, backed all of his endeavors and it's been
a drain on their finances. So basically, he filed for
divorce after six years. He's walking away. He wants spousal support,
and he wants to take his car, his motorcycle, and
his tools with him. And that's what I took from that. Wow,
(12:16):
what do you say? Here's my question, because you're a man.
I feel like it's embarrassing for a man to ask
for spousal support.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The guy doesn't work, he doesn't have kids, he isn't
doing that. Also, he's be embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, I mean that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No, I'd be asked for it. You would, Yeah, if
you're making quarter of a million dollars a month on OnlyFans.
And apparently he's taken the photos for her or whatever.
I want my fair share.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So if we got divorced and then I made that
kind of money on OnlyFans, you would ask for spousal support.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, Oh my gosh, I'm right. Why would you if
I was making two two thousand dollars on only fans.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
If you make two hundred and fifty thousand US on
olay fans, I'm not divorcing you. All right, We'll move on.
And there is a new Netflix movie. It is called
A Deadly American Marriage. We're going to talk about it.
It is the case of Jason Corbett's murder.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Jason Corbett he was an Irish born businessman and father
of two. He was widowed in two thousand and six
from his first wife, Margaret Maggs. She goes by Mags Fitzpatrick.
Maggs was pronounced dead after allegedly suffering a severe asthma attack.
She was a known asthmatic. They had two children that
were just two years old and twelve weeks old at
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the time that she died. In two thousand and eight,
Jason Corbett, the dad, hired an American all pair named
Molly Martin's to care for his children. Jack, who was
four at the time, and Sarah two. Jason and Molly
then got engaged in February of twenty and ten and
were married by twenty eleven. Following their wedding, the couple,
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along with Jason's two children, Jack and Sarah, moved from
Ireland to North Carolina in April of twenty and eleven.
So he's Irish born. He was living in Ireland with
his first wife, Mas. She dies of an asthma attack.
He has two young children. No, this is all factual.
He has two children.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, her death, yeah, asthma. Yes, we don't know if
it's true or not.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Anyway, they're in Ireland and he hires an American pair,
which is a nanny to come and she takes care
of these two children. She comes in two thousand and eight,
and they're engaged by twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Have you seen the nanny? Is she had nanny from Miami.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I don't know. She was blonde and cue.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's all very suspicious, see, I don't think. Okay, keep going,
all right.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Following their wedding, the couple, along with Jason's two children,
Jack and Sarah, moved from Ireland to North Carolina. All right,
so now we're in North Carolina in August second of
twenty fifteen, Molly's father, Thomas Martin, called a nine to
one to one dispatcher and said he had intervened in
a fight between Molly and Jason at their home. He's
bleeding all over and I I may have killed him,
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said Thomas, who previously led a thirty year career as
an FBI agent. Upon arriving at the scene, authorities found
Jason unresponsive and apparently beaten with a baseball batch and
a paving stone. He quickly died from his injuries. Thomas
and Mollie told authorities that Jason's death resulted from a
domestic disturbance. Thomas testified he found Jason strangling Mollie and
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refusing to let go while threatening to kill her, leading
the father and daughter to respond in self defense. Okay, okay,
let me go through this because I watched the documentary.
So it's the middle of the night and the dad,
So Mollie Martin's parents are staying in their house. I
think they're visiting. So they're like in the basement, the
mom and the dad. The dad. Mollie Martin's dad worked
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for the FBI for like thirty years. Okay, they're in
the basement. Mollie the o pair who is now.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The wife, the new wife.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, the new wife and the husband are in bed
and apparently there was some altercation in the middle of
the night where he became angry and he was strangling her.
This is what they are alleging. The dad, who is
in the basement, hears a struggle upstairs, so he claims, no, no,
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he grabbed the bat. So he grabs a bat, a
baseball bat, and he comes into the bedroom and Mollie
apparently just happened to have a brick on the side
of like on her bedstand next to the bed. She
claims the kids were painting pavers, so she just happened
to have one on her bedside table. She didn't put
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her paper away. So when this dad comes into the room,
according this is according to their story, because there's only
two people alive, right, he claims that he sees the husband,
Jason Corbett, strangling Mollie. He won't let go, and so
the two of them beat him into oblivion with a
baseball bat and paver and so.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Left alive or the new wife.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And her father his father, her father, her father who
worked for the FBI for thirty years now. I saw scenes,
photographs from the crime scene in this documentary. There is blood, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
This is one? Where was blood everywhere? Huh?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Everywhere? They this is? And when you claim self defense,
like I'm not a criminal law attorney, but I took criminal.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Law, well, I would think one hit on the head
with a paver is enough.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Self defense is basically reasonable force or the same type
of force that is being used against you. Like if
someone's you know, hitting you with a book.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Well it's enough to stop the imminent.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Threat, right, But you can't use deadly force as self defense.
If someone isn't using deadly force against.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Me, I would think choking is deadly force.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I would too. But when you have two people and
one has a brick and one has a baseball bat,
I feel like one whack with a baseball bat is
going to get the guy to let go. If that's
allegedly what was happening.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't know. He might have hit him twice three times, Well,
they hit him times. That might have been scared out
of their minds and they just kept beating him until
he wouldn't move. If we don't know, No, here's the
thing that I was getting at earlier. The first wife's
murder is now suspic or excuse me, death passing is suspicious.
(18:14):
She dies as asthma, yes, and then he's found choking
his new wife. Well, think about it.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well, I have thought about it. But you also have
to realize that Mollie Martin's and her dad are the
only two people that are alive that can say what happened.
That evening, investigators arrived to find Jason's naked body sprawled
in the master bedroom, surrounded by extensive blood splatters on
the floors, walls, doors, bed, hallway, and even bathroom surfaces,
indicating a violent struggle occurred. Expert Stuart James identified multiple
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impact spatter zones on the quilt inside the mattress box spring,
suggesting Jason took initial blows while still in bed.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So is it leading towards the Maybe it was just
a flat out murder like he was in bed, laying
down and then was beaten.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Long walls at varying heights, indicating strikes as he fell
and moved through the room. Cast Off patterns on a
vacuum cleaner and Jason's boxer shorts showed blood flung off
swinging weapons at different angles. A baseball bat and a
concrete paving brick, both found covered in Jason's blood and hair,
were established as the murder weapon. Mollie Martin's reportedly spent
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fifty five hundred dollars to have the home professionally cleaned
just hours after she was released from questioning. The cleaning
removed blood traces, which complicated forensic follow up at the house.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know how they preserve the scene.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's that's see. I was just going to ask that
that doesn't make any sense. You come up on this
scene where someone's been murdered and there's a baseball bat
and a paver as weapons, and there's blood splatter everywhere.
You don't know exactly what happened. But she paid fifty
five hundred dollars the next day to clean it all up. Yeah,
I mean, did they get all the photos and evidence
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that they needed in their I don't want that initial.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I don't know. I mean it doesn't sound like it,
but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
It doesn't seem to be because, first of all, when
there's a nine to one one call about a murderer,
are they going to immediately send like these forensic specialists.
At that time, they're just going to send police and
a coroner and then they're probably going to come back
and investigate.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, yeah, they would call homicide team or something, right,
like a specialized forensic because clearly it's foul play, right.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So, but I mean, even what we learned from just
going through Karen Reid was that there were multiple times
that there was these specialized forensic teams that came in
on the specific things.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I bet look at her call log. I bet she
called the boss and police department said how do I
clean up the crime scene? And I need to rehome
my dog? What do I do?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah? How do I get rid of this favor? Mollie
was also working diligently to get Jason's body cremated before
Jason's sister, Tracy Lynch and her husband David Lynch had
a chance to examine the body. Now, so Jason the deceased,
his family is all in Ireland. But Mollie was unsuccessful
and Tracy was able to see firsthand what was done
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to her brother. Now we get to August six of
twenty fifteen, Jack and Sarah Corbett. These are the two children. Okay,
h they are brought to the Dragonfly Child Advocacy Center
for questioning Jack. They're ten and eight at the time. Jack,
age ten, told social workers he had seen Jason get
angry with Mollie and that Jason had physically hurt her,
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saying that he witnessed it firsthand. Sarah, who was age eight,
echoed this, saying their father yelled and hurt Mollie. However,
when probed, she admitted it wasn't based on a direct observation,
but rather things she heard from her mom. Now remember
this is not her biological mom. Mollie Martin's is the nanny,
the nanny who married the dad who became a stepmom.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Sarah also said that she used the code words galaxy
and peacock with Molly's mother to signal when Jason became angry.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Peacock.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You know, I saw them say that when they.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Were Was that like safe words or something?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, I think they were so that if she wanted
to call and tell someone there was something going on,
they could say peacock instead of saying dad's being angry
and he overheard it. It was like a code word
to say, like there was trouble at the house. Right
then the children rescinded their statements. So this is where
it gets complicated. When I was first watching this documentary,
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I was like, Okay, it seems pretty straightforward. She marries him,
she marries him quickly, she becomes a step mom. She's
really into these kids' lives, like she does everything for them.
She clearly wants to be their mom. She wants to
adopt them. I know she wants to adopt them, but
he won't. I think he like maybe strings her along
and is like, well, maybe you can adopt them, but
he never actually allows her to adopt the children, so
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she never formally adopts them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Why is he controlling over this? I wonder?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I don't. I mean, I don't know. Maybe after he
married her, maybe there were some red flags. I don't know.
I mean, he may die a date that long.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, it's like I have plans to kill you, so
I don't need to go through this adoption.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Another way to ask for like code for help? What
is like if you're if there's a burglar there or
someone there and they say call like if you had
if someone's holding me hostage, they say, get Emily Simpson
down here. We're really upset with her in last week's episode,
we want to attack her. Okay, this is actually I
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would call you and say I need you to come home, dear,
and can you bring me the Beatles fifth album?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Why the Beatles fifth album?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And then and I'll say I need to borrow it.
Can you bring it home with you or pick it
up on your way home?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well then the fifth album's name is help.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh yeah, doesn't that sound suspicious? And if you're in
front of kidnappers and you're telling me to bring the
Beatles fifth album, you don't think they're going to find
that strange.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't think they're savvy enough.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
That sounds like a normal call.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
On a Chips episode when I was a little kid,
and I've been waiting to use that ever since.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, now you have had the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No I didn't. No, I didn't get to use it.
Oh you mean you want to actually? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh my goodness. All right. Once Tracy and David Lynch
were given custody of the children. This is his sister
and his brother in law that lives in Ireland, they
were given custody of the children. She wanted custody of
the kids, but they were given custody, but she never
adopted them formally, so they went to the aunt and
the uncle. Per Jason's will, they traveled back to Ireland
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in August of twenty fifteen. Within days of their return,
they began to recant the statements they made at the
Dragonfly Center, telling their aunt Tercy, that they had been
coached by Mollie to say their father was abusive in
a Skype interview in twenty sixteen. So Jack is the
oldest son and in this documentary there's a lot of
interviews with him, and he's very emotional and he claims
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that he was coached to say these things, that he
actually thought his dad was a great dad, and then
he had a very close relationship with his dad. But
he also wanted to I don't know, like he was
close with Molly because that's the only mom he really knew,
and so he admits, so he wanted to do the
skype interview and he wants to admit that quote, I
didn't tell the truth that Dragonfly Molly made me lie. Sarah,
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the daughter, similarly discussed or disclosed in diary entries that
she was instructed by Molly on what to say. So
then we get to the trial in twenty seventeen, the
defense sought to include Jack and Sarah's statements. However, the
court excluded them, citing a lack of personal knowledge and
the fact that they'd been recanted, classifying them as unreliable hearsay.
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Mollie had been accused of lying to friends and family,
i e. Claiming she gave birth to Sarah, which helped
reinforce this manipulation claim. So in August of twenty seventeen,
Mollie Martin's and Tom Martins were found guilty of second
degree murder in Jason Corbett's death by a jury in
the Davison County Superior Court. Know, this is one of
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those cases where when I was watching it in the beginning,
it seemed very straightforward to me, Like they got married,
she wanted to adopt the kids. He was probably abusive
to her. Her dad jumped in and intervened, they beat
him up. But then these kids and then these kids say, oh, yeah,
he was abusive towards her, corroborating it, but then they
recan't later and they're like, we didn't want to say that.
(26:21):
We don't really believe that we were coached by her.
So I had a hard time actually deciphering who was guilty,
who was at fault, whether he was aggressive that night
or not. In February of twenty twenty, so we're talking
about three years later, the North Carolina Court of Appeals
overturned Molly and Thomas Martin's twenty seventeen convictions, citing prejudicial errors.
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Molly and Tom's lawyers specifically referenced the exclusion of Jack
and Sarah's Dragonfly interviews, the hidden recording devices Molly left
throughout the house to document Jason's alleged abuse, and their
claim that the death of Jason's first wife was due
to strangulation, not an asthma attack. So they get out
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on appeal because the defense said that these things were
not allowed in the first trial. First of all, they
didn't allow those interviews at that Dragonfly place with the
little kids because they said because the kids recanted them.
So they were like, what's right, what's the truth here?
They're saying that it was and now they're saying that
it wasn't. How do you rely on those initial statements
(27:28):
that were made, but those were not used in the
first trial. Also in this documentary, you can tell she
leaves recording devices around. But here's the thing with the
recording devices, And let me know what you think about this.
She knows there's a recording device in the kitchen, and
I saw a scene of this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
What was the purpose of her recording device?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Because she was getting evidence that he's aggressive or abusive.
So she had a recording device in the kitchen. Oh okay,
she knows it's recording. So I'm saying it was very
to me. I'm watching it, and it feels very easy
for her to manipulate the situation. She's very calm and cool, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
She put on her poker face.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right, Yeah, I don't know. He's like upset. He came
home from work and he's upset about the dinner or
soup or something. I don't know. I didn't think it
was aggressive or overly abusive or anything. I thought maybe
he was just being kind of a jerk. But I
don't know if that's evidence that this man would strangle.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
As Why if I acted that way, would you say
jerk or abusive?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I would say jerk. I wouldn't say it was abusive.
But I also feel as if it's a setup. She's recording.
She knows it's recording. She puts it in the kitchen.
He comes home from work. He's probably tired from the day.
He's being he's being crappy. He's not being great.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
No, yeah, it's not. It wasn't like organic interaction unknown
to either party. That is being recorded, right, clearly, she's
setting him up.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, And I don't know. Maybe he comes home from
work every irritated. Maybe he has bad days at work
and he comes home and he's irritated. She knows he's
going to be irritated. She puts a recording device in
the kitchen. She stays cool and calm.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Maybe she has cool and calm.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
She hit him with a paper in the head until
his brain matter was.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, she lost it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
All I know is his first wife died of asthma,
and that's suspicious.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You can't get past the asthma, can't you?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
All right? And the North Carolina Supreme Court, in a
four to three vote, affirmed the decision, officially vacating the
murder convictions and remanding for a new trial. So a
new retrial was initially scheduled to begin on June twenty
sixth of twenty twenty three. However, to avoid another trial,
Molly pleaded no contest and Tom this is her Dad,
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pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter per a negotiated plea deal.
Both were sentenced to fifty one to seventy four months
in prison. You thought I was gonna say years.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
In Well, still at fifty one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
To seventy four months in prison, with credit for the
forty four months already served, effectively leaving them around seven
to thirty months remaining. In June sixth of twenty twenty four,
Molly and Tom were both released from prison. A Deadly
American Marriage was released on Netflix with interviews from Mollie, Tom, Jack, Sarah, Tracy,
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and David. In this documentary, we witnessed Jack and Sarah
prepare for the retrial and recount their personal experiences of
manipulation at the hands of Mollie. Mollie and her dad
Tom are adamant that it was an act of self defense,
but Jason's family and children are not convinced and believe
that he was murdered in cold blood. So I don't know.
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It's very interesting. I want you guys to watch it
and tell me what you think. Because I was still
at the end of it, I was still conflicted whether
I felt as if he was so aggressive that night
that they really needed to use a baseball bat and
a brick paver to his head.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So does she had cameras recording prior to all this?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It wasn't cameras. It was recording, was audio recording audio.
It was audio recordings. But to me, I felt as
if she was doing that because she was setting up right,
I know, you know, she's setting up her her evidence.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, it was clearly in her favor.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, it was premeditated. It's premeditated that she's getting, you know,
this evidence in order that she wants.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
To use building her case.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
She's building a case. She wanted to adopt these children.
He would never formally allow her to adopt them. I
think she was really mad about that because I think
she had plans of like divorcing him and taking the kids.
I think she was obsessed with the kids. That's my takeaway.
I don't know. So she killed wife, No, she didn't
know the first wife, But I'm saying she wasn't the nanny.
(31:41):
She was the nanny after the first wife died. Remember
they didn't have a nanny. He was married and it
was a moment they had no they had young kids together.
The first wife dies, They're.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
In Ireland right then he goes then.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hires the nanny to help take care of the kids,
and then he quickly mary nanny, quickly marries the nanny,
but the nanny becomes In my opinion, based upon what
I watched and what I saw in the interviews and everything,
I felt as if Mollie Martins was obsessed with these children.
I felt as if she was obsessed with being their mom,
them being hers. As I said earlier, she had even
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lied to other friends and family about giving birth to them.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Oh wow, that's like that movie Rock the Cradle. Yeah,
Like I mean, I remember the mom would come home
be like, my baby's not drinking milk. That's because she
was breast.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, that's very Molly Martins.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Like.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
My takeaway was that she was so obsessed with these
children and that he would not allow her to legally
informally adopt them. So she knew if there was a
divorce or whatever, did he.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Have money or did he have anything any type of
financial appeal that maybe she thought she would take the
kids in the money.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I don't think it had to do with money, she
was as truly.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Obsessed with two kids.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I think she was truly obsessed with the children and
being their mother.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Was she not able to have her own kids? Do
you know anything like that?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know, I don't know if she was able to
have her own children. I don't. I feel as if
when she was the nanny for these kids, they were
so young and they didn't have a mother at all,
that she just became the mother figure, right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And she so as far as she was concerned with
price since since.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And I believe they called her mom, like quickly after
they were married.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
They start that's all they knew.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's all they knew. Yeah, And I think she was
so obsessed with these children that I don't know. My
takeaway is, especially since there was a brick and a bat.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well, you're obsessed with our children. Should I worry?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I am obsessed with our children, Yes, Should I worry? No?
Because I have legal rights to them. She had no
legal rights to the children. That's what made me think.
And also her her trail of evidence that she was
setting up and the recordings before that incident, and the
dad was an FBI. He worked for the FBI for
thirty years. He knows what to say and what to do. Yeah,
(33:55):
and he knows how to answer the questions.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well, they should do a test on the paper. Was
the pay Was the paver really part of that property? No?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
They were the kids, the kids who had an art project.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You know how you can paint, I know, but did
they really have that?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, there were there were other pavers that were painted.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh, maybe she set that up. Maybe she went and
bought papers, said hey, kids, we're gonna paint some papers.
The kids were like, well there's one extra, and oh yeah,
I don't worry about that, but I'll leave it Benet,
that's mine. I'll paint it later. Yeah, I'm gonna paint
it read later.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you it is not.
I watched this documentary and it left me with more
questions than answers. I found her very manipulative. The dad,
her dad worked for the FBI. I don't know if
I see the husband as aggressive. The way she explains it,
she's building a case. She's recording him when he doesn't
know it. The kids are recanting and saying that she
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manipulated them and told them what to say. I don't know.
I just I had a hard time with her. So anyway,
if you get the opportunity, watch it on Netflix. DM
me tell me what you think, because it's called a
Deadly American Marriage. All right. I wanted to come back
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to we've talked about last time. I believe we talked
about Brian.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Coburger and the Okay, the Coburger.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Now we're moving on to Coburger just a little bit
here at the end. I want to go into that
just because he did take a plea deal. But there's
also just to tell you guys, if you like to
watch all this true crime stuff like I do, there's
a new documentary. It's called One Night in Idaho. It's
a new Coburger documentary and it came out on July eleventh,
and it's on Prime if you guys would like to
watch it. So, Brian Coberger, we know, has formally confessed
(35:35):
in writing to the twenty twenty two Idaho murders. And
he did not provide any explanation for the murders. There's
no motive in there whatsoever. However, this is what I
think is interesting. So there's a new book coming out
and I pre ordered it and it's written by an
investigative journalist who has been covering the stories from day
one in Idaho. And also Scott Patterson, who we know
is is a huge fed author. I mean he's very basic.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Scott yeah written.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I know you're gonna ask me that I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, you said he's very famous, So what is he written?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I don't know. I haven't read any of his books.
He's famous, but apparently, and I thought this was very interesting.
Brian Coberger had a fascination with a serial killer named
Elliott Roger. Elliott Roger has since become a figure in
the in cell or involuntary celibate's movement. I had never
heard of Booth either. Have you ever heard of this
involuntary celibacy? Involuntary celibacy you do wear like a padlock
(36:31):
underwear or something. No, it's because you're rejected, so to speak.
You're you're found, you're not found appealing by women.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh, involuntary, Like, no one's forcing you to be celibate, right,
but based on your unfortunate circumstances, you cannot break celibacy, right,
got it?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So Coburger took a class about serial killers and their motives.
Including that of Elliott Roger, who was a twenty no
who was a twenty two year old virgin, who was
who fatally stabbed or shot six people and injured fourteen
in East La Vista, California, before killing himself in May
(37:15):
of twenty fourteen. Okay, first of all, I've never heard
of this guy, but I find this really interesting. He
had posted a video online about his plan to kill
his revenge for being rejected by women. In this video,
he says, I'm twenty two years old and I'm still
a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl. I don't
know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I
(37:36):
will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime,
because I don't know what you don't see in me.
I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at
these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I
will punish all of you for it. So then he
goes on to murder six people based upon this anger
(37:58):
that he has because he is a twenty two year
old virgin and women are not interested in him.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Christine Cameron, who was an administrator of that turnout for him,
he killed himself and may have two thousand and five.
Clearly he died a virgin.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Christine Cameron, who is an administrator of the University of
Idaho murders facebook page, said that shortly after the murders
were conducted, a Facebook user named Papa Roger. Remember this
guy's name is Elliott Roger and he's dead, began leaving
disturbing messages and their discussion group. Cameron said, after Brian
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Coberger is arrested, I start thinking, Okay, Papa Roger, Elliott Roger.
If you listen to some of the manifestos of Elliott Roger,
he talks about hating all the girls from Alpha Phi,
which is the same sorority that Kaylee Gonsalves was in.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You know, I've never once thought to kill women that
said no to.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Me, well you're not a virgin.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well no, but I mean like if you ask him
on a day and they say no, it's not my
first thought isn't, Well then you might die?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I mean maybe more like, what am I doing wrong?
Let me get go to the self help section at
the Barns and Noble, let me figure it out.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Well, maybe I was also thinking, maybe that's why women
rejected him so much because I feel like maybe he
gave off some type of string murder like serial killer vibe.
So I mean, there's that all right. So we know
Brian Coburger took the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
So what are your you know, I've read a little
bit more about this about the plea deal.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
One.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
He did sign a confession, but there's no motive in
the confession, so I do there is that sense of
not having closure, but.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The m I agree with that, and I don't know
what it's like. So I don't want to put myself
in their shoes and act like I know. But it's
like he's crazy. He probably couldn't get the women and
so he killed them. I mean, I think that's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So you're saying, in your mind, it's not like you
would need a motive to feel closure, because we were
talking about someone who's clearly a psychopath, and it's that
that happened to me.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I don't know if I'd ever get closure like oh
now I'm at peace, I would just maybe it would
put it to rest, like the questions, but it would
That's why I unders said when people say oh now,
they can have closure, which again no disrespect to parents
of their children, but it's like the kid's still dead.
That would be tough to move on and act like closure.
I don't know if I'd ever have closure. I might,
(40:28):
I might be able to move on a little bit
here and there or whatever, but I don't know if
i'd be like at peace, especially just because of a motive.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, I think when it to me, the way I
understand closure in this sense is that there's some form
of justice.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, that's another thing I have a problem with because
is it just okay, so he if he goes, if
he gets to death penalty, right, I know he's not,
But if he gets to death penalty, is that justice
in the sense like, because I see justice as like okay, narrative,
thing's equal. So if they yeah, well no, no, like
like you robbed me of fifty bucks and and now
you gave me my fifty bucks back, justice like we're
(41:06):
back to zero even. But like when you're a child,
when there's a murder, no matter as child, and they're dead,
it's just it's really hard for me to think, like
when when people say that sorry, I know I'm around me,
but when people say oh, there's justice. I just in
the back of my head, I think, no, that there's
still at a loss.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, I understand that. But if you if something happened
to your child or someone in your family, and if
there was no repercussion, like it's let's say your child's
murdered and you never find the murderer, you don't feel
like you would you would die without any closure of
knowing who it was or what happened, yeah, or any sense.
You're right when I say justice, that.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
There's there's I just I guess I just I don't
refer to as justice because it's still unfortunate. That's that's
what I've always thought.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's just my thoughts, I know, but I think I
think the idea of closure here is that he receives
punishment for his crime, as opposed to that's that's how
you put the period on.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
But there's not enough.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
That these parents have had to go through. And how
he finally ended is that there's some form that he
that they can maybe find some piece knowing that he's
you know, received the death penalty and that he has
to go to sleep and his cell every night with
the anticipation that someday he's going to die by lethal
injection or you know, firing squad.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, I don't know. That's just that's just a hard
pill for me as well. That's all.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Well, the irony is is that he clearly took a
plea deal to avoid the death penalty when he had
no problem taking the lives of four people.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right, And and then it's like, well, why should you
grant him that that the the privilege of choosing whether
he's entitled to the death penalty or not. Right, I
would go for the death penalty. I'd be like, now,
we're going to go for it. But I understand that
the parents that think, no, we want to be done
(43:00):
with and just you know, go forward to our lives.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Well, that the whole that's very divided between the families
because there's four, and I do believe that I think
it's split. There's I think there's two that are happy
to just be done with it. He took the plea
deal in the one and.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I get that. I get the other way too. I
get it both with.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Right, but they're both Neither one of them are wrong
in their thinking. It's just that's their takeaway and how
they feel. Anyway, when I get the book. I'm going
to read it, so I'll let you all know. I
do think it's interesting that maybe he carried out a
manifesto that had to do with this earlier serial killer
named Elliott Rogers. So if you guys want to look
more into that, you can look that up and read
more about it. And anyway, that is the end of
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the show for today. Thank you so much for listening.
If you have other cases that are of interest that
you want to DM me about, I appreciate it. You know,
I have gotten multitudes of dms from you guys asking
about us covering the case in Australia about the woman
that laced like a beef Wellington with poisonous mushrooms and
and killed some of her family members with poisonous mushrooms.
(43:57):
She was actually when I was in Paris last week,
she was sentence.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
And she went to the to the extent of making
beef Welling.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I believe I think it was like beef Wellington or
something like that. Anyway, I know it's very interesting and
I've had tons of you s DM saying can you
guys please cover that and maybe we will. I need
to think about it a little bit more The problem
is with that is that it happened in Australia and
a lot of times when we go through these cases,
we like to talk about legal you know, just a
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lot of legal things and I, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Well, we could talk about it like it had it
been in America, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, that's true too. We could make comparisons. So anyway,
that's still in America.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I wouldn't be beef Wellington, No, it would not be.
It would be like a burger or something or Hamburger.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It'd be in and out. But anyway, so thank you
for that. If there's any other cases of interests that
are in the news or that you find interesting, please
let me know and thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Thanks
Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
be your host today Emily Simpson and Shane and Shane.
Just Shane. First of all, we just want to do
a couple little things that have been in the news
lately that I thought was interesting. It's first of all,
we're going to talk about a little bit about Justin
Bieber and the Scooter Braun settlement. I didn't know a
lot about this or that there was anything going on
(00:22):
to do no, so I just did a little research
read some articles. So I just want to give a
brief overview of that if you've seen that in the
news or you had questions about it. So, according to
an article that was in Cosmopolitan, Justin Bieber and his
former manager, Scooter Bron have been locked in a financial
battle since twenty twenty three, after Scooter and his company
Hibe covered the cost of Justin's world tour that he
(00:44):
canceled back in twenty twenty two. Allegedly, he still owed
twenty six million to Hype as Hibe it's with a
B like be as in boy. He still owed twenty
six million to Hibe as of last week. In addition
to this, Justin also reported owed Scooter braun eleven million
in unpaid commissions from when they worked together, and per TMZ,
(01:08):
that's on top of the eight point six million and
unpaid commissions that Scooter agreed to forfeit. So back on
July tenth, TMZ reported that Justin and Scooter had reached
a financial settlement in which Justin agreed to pay Scooter
the twenty six million, as well as five point five
million for unpaid commissions, totaling thirty one point five million.
(01:31):
My question to you is, do you think that it
was easy for him to settle that because now his
wife just got a billion dollars from the sale of
her cosmetic company.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I don't know. Maybe I don't really know. Uh so
he's just paying the full amount.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No, he's not paying the full amount. But I mean,
he owed twenty six million and some eleven million in
unpaid commissions and then another eight point six but they
settled on thirty one point five.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, he might have settled because he had to. He
canceled that concert like last minute, I remember, yeah, so,
and like I don't I think he gave it very good.
It's not like there was some publicly known reason like
he was in a car wreck where he was ill
or something. He just canceled.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, and obviously when you have a world tour like
Justin Bieber, you invest millions and millions of dollars in
it to set it up up front.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh absolutely, so you're you're footing this.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So basically Scooter Braun and his production company footed the
bill for this world tour.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Bigger question is is that his real name Scooter?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Is that what's on your mind?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, yes, that is, because I bet there's no Scooter
in this world. That said, when I'm older, there's going
to be some pop star that owes me thirty million
dollars and he's gonna pay up.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, Scooter doesn't go along with thirty million. No, neither
Justin nor Scooter have publicly confirmed the settlement. News of
the settlement comes after The Hollywood Reporter published a story
in April claiming that Justin was twenty million in debt
after canceling his tour and making a series of bad
financial decisions. At that time. When that article came out,
representatives for Justin denied the claims, telling the Hollywood Reporter, quote,
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any source that is trying to sell you a story
about alleged financial distress, either doesn't understand the entertainment industry, or,
more likely, is trying to paint an unflattering portrait of
Justin which bears no resemblance to reality. End quote. You know,
I also, I've never been like a big Justin Bieber fan.
I can name like two songs that he's sang. I
(03:25):
feel like when I've seen him in the news lately,
he's been a little dishoveled and not looking quite his
pop stars normally.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
When has he looked like a pop star?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
When he was younger, he looked like a pop.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Star like fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So you're saying, now he has a wife and a kid, so.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And tat's all over his body, and oh, he's just
it's just he's got a dad bought and he's got
a puff. Daddy really did a number on him.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
They took away his innocence.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
They were connected. This settlement came one day before Justin
released his seventh studio album, Swag, which is his first
album in four years. Haley Bieber, Justin's wife's old her
cosmetic brand road to Elf Beauty at the end of
May for one billion. Some fans speculate it could have
been to help with her husband's financial struggles. I don't
(04:10):
know about that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's like like you have a little bit of debt,
so you sell your billion dollar company. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Like like, look, don't worry about it. Justin I to
sell my company for a.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Billion a broad sale to raise some money. I don't
think that's the reason. I'm sure she sold it because
it was a business decision. Yeah, and she's probably like,
my husband doesn't make good business decisions, so I'm going
to make one. I'm going to sell us.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, it was crazy to me to think that
a cosmetic company started by someone who's just kind of
out there as an influencer.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's not like, well, she had more than that. She
had more strings to pull than that. Isn't her dad
a Baldwin?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, her dad's a bald But that gives.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You opportunity, connections, direction. People are going to come to
you a little bit more and say, can I, you know,
propose this business opportunity. She's gonna have more opportunities. I'm
not saying it's wrong, but clearly she knows where to
start more than I would.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, I was just thinking if I started a cosmetic.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Is that her mom Hilaria?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
No, that's not her mom.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh oh really she has.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's her uncle's wife.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And it's oh, who's her dad? Her dad's not.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Alec no, or does not Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Her dad's Stephen Baldwin. Okay, I believe, but Alec baldw
would be her uncle. And it's hilario.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's hilarious. She makes that accent all the time and
she's like doing weird stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, she said she she said it's because she's bilingual.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
To her accent, it's like born and raised here she has,
doesn't she have like some Spanish background? I think? But
all of a sudden I saw that video where she was like,
how do you say cucumbers? It's like, uh yeah, cucumbers,
that's her mother tongue. And then she'd shut him up
in the red carpet and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
why I don't lock the red carpet with you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it would be the same, and.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You would shut me up sort of like our living room.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All right, let's move on to Denise Richards and Aaron
Piper's okay. First of all, Shane has been dying to
talk about family law, So I have you? Have you
been saying we should find a family law case to
talk about. So here's a little family law case. So
Aaron Phipers filed his petition to divorce Denise Richards on Monday,
July seventh, after six years of marriage? What is your
(06:40):
first question when you know it's been six years of marriage?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's my first questions? A legal question or like a
relationship question.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, my first question when I saw that they'd been
married for six years, the first thing that popped into
my mind was why didn't he just toick it out
for another four years? Another four years and then filed
for divorce because California, after ten years of marriage, you
can get, or you can at least request permanent spousal support.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well, it's not permanent, but it's until death, marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Or what's cohabitating?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Somebody's really tough to prove. Yeah, No, it's death or
marriage pretty much is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Really, of course I knew I was waiting for you
to say that. Fipers filed his petition in Los Angeles
County Superior Court. He lists July fourth, as the date
of his separation from Richards. I thought this was interesting too,
because I feel like, on July fourth, do people just
get drink too much, watch fireworks and then decide to
get divorced. Like, how does the July fourth the separation?
Like they must have there must have been an incident.
(07:41):
I feel like the two do not share children, but
Richards has two adult daughters with ex husband Charlie Sheene.
She is also the mother of a teenage daughter whom
she adopted as an infant. Fibers is reportedly seeking spousal
support from Richards, according to court documents and his declaration,
because you know he has to. In the petitional declaration,
Viper's claims that he makes no income since closing down
(08:05):
his wellness center last year. I'm going to tell you
his wellness center probably didn't make a lot of income either,
and estimates that Richard's makes more than two hundred and
fifty thousand a month from brand deals, TV shows and
OnlyFans content. Vipers has asked to keep their assets and
debts as separate property, including I thought this was funny,
(08:28):
including his he only wants three things. He just wants
to walk away with three well he wants spousal.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Support should be expousalve sport called spousal support.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I don't know, but he wants to walk away
with not only spousal support, but he wants to keep
his power tools, his motorcycle in a sports car.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, I mean, why would he want to give that up?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, he wouldn't. But I'm just saying, it's like, it's
like his douchebag collection. I just want to keep my tools.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He had nothing. He had my muscle shirts and my
Corvette hat exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That's what I'm saying. It's like he's like just wants
to take his douchebag kit with him on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Now, what happened was he probably didn't have anything, and
then his attorney's like, you got to have something, dude.
He's like, this looks that you look like a deadbeat
if you got nothing.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He's like, I got I got tools. According to the
divorce petition, he claims that he spends nearly one hundred
and five thousand a month including this is what I
don't understand, is this he When you fill out your
financial declaration and you're getting a divorce, are you you're
(09:31):
talking about your current expenses, right, Yeah, but he's saying
that he spends eighteen thousand on rent, which is for
both of them, five thousand on repairs whatever that is,
and seven thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh it's like, why does she use your power tools?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah? It's seven thousand on childcare, ten thousand on groceries.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And who's child?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, that's what I mean. Like, first of all, their
children are all adult ages, So I have an attorney.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Do you fill it out himself? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That's we need to look. I need to acttually look
at the petition and see if he's represented or if
he just did this on his own. And fifteen thousand
on eating out?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Look, I have how much on groceries?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
He says ten thousand a month on groceries.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So he goes twenty five hundred dollars a week on
groceries and he eats out at three thousands, at five thousand,
almost five thousand dollars a month, four thousand dollars a
month a week a week. Yeah, so he spends six
thousand plus dollars a week on food. Yah, while someone's
watching is someone else sat? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And don't forget he uses his power tools?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
How much time they spent on baby oil. That's my question.
That's where it looks like it's going.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
According to a source who spoke with us Weekly, Vipers
has taken on many of the responsibilities at home.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, he has it. You know, it's right. It's because
he spends all his day putting groceries away.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Because financial declaration screams the opposite of that. Aaron gave
up a lot to help Denise day to day. He
has taken care of the kids, the pets to his parents.
Denise and her work for only fans, and he's fixed
up the houses they've lived in. Okay, that's where the
tools come in his rental house.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, right, I mean where the people the landlord
should be doing that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
They wouldn't be making ends meet without only fans. The
source shares it saved them findance.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
They'd been making ends meet. They spend so much freaking
money on groceries and eating out, well and child care
for you know, unknown children for no.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well they have three kids, but they're all adults.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, he probably pays his kids to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You just have kids.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I don't know. Then, what's she doing with them?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't know. He here's the thing, he clease.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Where how did he get in this lifestyle? And I'm
I'm running around doing dishes this morning while you get
your nails done.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I don't know you. Would you like me to do
only fans?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
No, they wouldn't be making.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They wouldn't be making ends meet without only fans. The
source shares it saved them financially, and Denny has supported
him financially, backed all of his endeavors and it's been
a drain on their finances. So basically, he filed for
divorce after six years. He's walking away. He wants spousal support,
and he wants to take his car, his motorcycle, and
his tools with him. And that's what I took from that. Wow,
(12:16):
what do you say? Here's my question, because you're a man.
I feel like it's embarrassing for a man to ask
for spousal support.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The guy doesn't work, he doesn't have kids, he isn't
doing that. Also, he's be embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, I mean that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No, I'd be asked for it. You would, Yeah, if
you're making quarter of a million dollars a month on OnlyFans.
And apparently he's taken the photos for her or whatever.
I want my fair share.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So if we got divorced and then I made that
kind of money on OnlyFans, you would ask for spousal support.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, Oh my gosh, I'm right. Why would you if
I was making two two thousand dollars on only fans.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
If you make two hundred and fifty thousand US on
olay fans, I'm not divorcing you. All right, We'll move on.
And there is a new Netflix movie. It is called
A Deadly American Marriage. We're going to talk about it.
It is the case of Jason Corbett's murder.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Jason Corbett he was an Irish born businessman and father
of two. He was widowed in two thousand and six
from his first wife, Margaret Maggs. She goes by Mags Fitzpatrick.
Maggs was pronounced dead after allegedly suffering a severe asthma attack.
She was a known asthmatic. They had two children that
were just two years old and twelve weeks old at
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the time that she died. In two thousand and eight,
Jason Corbett, the dad, hired an American all pair named
Molly Martin's to care for his children. Jack, who was
four at the time, and Sarah two. Jason and Molly
then got engaged in February of twenty and ten and
were married by twenty eleven. Following their wedding, the couple,
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along with Jason's two children, Jack and Sarah, moved from
Ireland to North Carolina in April of twenty and eleven.
So he's Irish born. He was living in Ireland with
his first wife, Mas. She dies of an asthma attack.
He has two young children. No, this is all factual.
He has two children.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, her death, yeah, asthma. Yes, we don't know if
it's true or not.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Anyway, they're in Ireland and he hires an American pair,
which is a nanny to come and she takes care
of these two children. She comes in two thousand and eight,
and they're engaged by twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Have you seen the nanny? Is she had nanny from Miami.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I don't know. She was blonde and cue.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's all very suspicious, see, I don't think. Okay, keep going,
all right.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Following their wedding, the couple, along with Jason's two children,
Jack and Sarah, moved from Ireland to North Carolina. All right,
so now we're in North Carolina in August second of
twenty fifteen, Molly's father, Thomas Martin, called a nine to
one to one dispatcher and said he had intervened in
a fight between Molly and Jason at their home. He's
bleeding all over and I I may have killed him,
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said Thomas, who previously led a thirty year career as
an FBI agent. Upon arriving at the scene, authorities found
Jason unresponsive and apparently beaten with a baseball batch and
a paving stone. He quickly died from his injuries. Thomas
and Mollie told authorities that Jason's death resulted from a
domestic disturbance. Thomas testified he found Jason strangling Mollie and
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refusing to let go while threatening to kill her, leading
the father and daughter to respond in self defense. Okay, okay,
let me go through this because I watched the documentary.
So it's the middle of the night and the dad,
So Mollie Martin's parents are staying in their house. I
think they're visiting. So they're like in the basement, the
mom and the dad. The dad. Mollie Martin's dad worked
(15:48):
for the FBI for like thirty years. Okay, they're in
the basement. Mollie the o pair who is now.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The wife, the new wife.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, the new wife and the husband are in bed
and apparently there was some altercation in the middle of
the night where he became angry and he was strangling her.
This is what they are alleging. The dad, who is
in the basement, hears a struggle upstairs, so he claims, no, no,
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he grabbed the bat. So he grabs a bat, a
baseball bat, and he comes into the bedroom and Mollie
apparently just happened to have a brick on the side
of like on her bedstand next to the bed. She
claims the kids were painting pavers, so she just happened
to have one on her bedside table. She didn't put
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her paper away. So when this dad comes into the room,
according this is according to their story, because there's only
two people alive, right, he claims that he sees the husband,
Jason Corbett, strangling Mollie. He won't let go, and so
the two of them beat him into oblivion with a
baseball bat and paver and so.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Left alive or the new wife.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And her father his father, her father, her father who
worked for the FBI for thirty years now. I saw scenes,
photographs from the crime scene in this documentary. There is blood, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
This is one? Where was blood everywhere? Huh?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Everywhere? They this is? And when you claim self defense,
like I'm not a criminal law attorney, but I took criminal.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Law, well, I would think one hit on the head
with a paver is enough.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Self defense is basically reasonable force or the same type
of force that is being used against you. Like if
someone's you know, hitting you with a book.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Well it's enough to stop the imminent.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Threat, right, But you can't use deadly force as self defense.
If someone isn't using deadly force against.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Me, I would think choking is deadly force.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I would too. But when you have two people and
one has a brick and one has a baseball bat,
I feel like one whack with a baseball bat is
going to get the guy to let go. If that's
allegedly what was happening.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't know. He might have hit him twice three times, Well,
they hit him times. That might have been scared out
of their minds and they just kept beating him until
he wouldn't move. If we don't know, No, here's the
thing that I was getting at earlier. The first wife's
murder is now suspic or excuse me, death passing is suspicious.
(18:14):
She dies as asthma, yes, and then he's found choking
his new wife. Well, think about it.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well, I have thought about it. But you also have
to realize that Mollie Martin's and her dad are the
only two people that are alive that can say what happened.
That evening, investigators arrived to find Jason's naked body sprawled
in the master bedroom, surrounded by extensive blood splatters on
the floors, walls, doors, bed, hallway, and even bathroom surfaces,
indicating a violent struggle occurred. Expert Stuart James identified multiple
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impact spatter zones on the quilt inside the mattress box spring,
suggesting Jason took initial blows while still in bed.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So is it leading towards the Maybe it was just
a flat out murder like he was in bed, laying
down and then was beaten.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Long walls at varying heights, indicating strikes as he fell
and moved through the room. Cast Off patterns on a
vacuum cleaner and Jason's boxer shorts showed blood flung off
swinging weapons at different angles. A baseball bat and a
concrete paving brick, both found covered in Jason's blood and hair,
were established as the murder weapon. Mollie Martin's reportedly spent
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fifty five hundred dollars to have the home professionally cleaned
just hours after she was released from questioning. The cleaning
removed blood traces, which complicated forensic follow up at the house.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know how they preserve the scene.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's that's see. I was just going to ask that
that doesn't make any sense. You come up on this
scene where someone's been murdered and there's a baseball bat
and a paver as weapons, and there's blood splatter everywhere.
You don't know exactly what happened. But she paid fifty
five hundred dollars the next day to clean it all up. Yeah,
I mean, did they get all the photos and evidence
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that they needed in their I don't want that initial.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I don't know. I mean it doesn't sound like it,
but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
It doesn't seem to be because, first of all, when
there's a nine to one one call about a murderer,
are they going to immediately send like these forensic specialists.
At that time, they're just going to send police and
a coroner and then they're probably going to come back
and investigate.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, yeah, they would call homicide team or something, right,
like a specialized forensic because clearly it's foul play, right.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So, but I mean, even what we learned from just
going through Karen Reid was that there were multiple times
that there was these specialized forensic teams that came in
on the specific things.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I bet look at her call log. I bet she
called the boss and police department said how do I
clean up the crime scene? And I need to rehome
my dog? What do I do?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah? How do I get rid of this favor? Mollie
was also working diligently to get Jason's body cremated before
Jason's sister, Tracy Lynch and her husband David Lynch had
a chance to examine the body. Now, so Jason the deceased,
his family is all in Ireland. But Mollie was unsuccessful
and Tracy was able to see firsthand what was done
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to her brother. Now we get to August six of
twenty fifteen, Jack and Sarah Corbett. These are the two children. Okay,
h they are brought to the Dragonfly Child Advocacy Center
for questioning Jack. They're ten and eight at the time. Jack,
age ten, told social workers he had seen Jason get
angry with Mollie and that Jason had physically hurt her,
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saying that he witnessed it firsthand. Sarah, who was age eight,
echoed this, saying their father yelled and hurt Mollie. However,
when probed, she admitted it wasn't based on a direct observation,
but rather things she heard from her mom. Now remember
this is not her biological mom. Mollie Martin's is the nanny,
the nanny who married the dad who became a stepmom.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Sarah also said that she used the code words galaxy
and peacock with Molly's mother to signal when Jason became angry.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Peacock.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You know, I saw them say that when they.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Were Was that like safe words or something?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, I think they were so that if she wanted
to call and tell someone there was something going on,
they could say peacock instead of saying dad's being angry
and he overheard it. It was like a code word
to say, like there was trouble at the house. Right
then the children rescinded their statements. So this is where
it gets complicated. When I was first watching this documentary,
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I was like, Okay, it seems pretty straightforward. She marries him,
she marries him quickly, she becomes a step mom. She's
really into these kids' lives, like she does everything for them.
She clearly wants to be their mom. She wants to
adopt them. I know she wants to adopt them, but
he won't. I think he like maybe strings her along
and is like, well, maybe you can adopt them, but
he never actually allows her to adopt the children, so
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she never formally adopts them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Why is he controlling over this? I wonder?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I don't. I mean, I don't know. Maybe after he
married her, maybe there were some red flags. I don't know.
I mean, he may die a date that long.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, it's like I have plans to kill you, so
I don't need to go through this adoption.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Another way to ask for like code for help? What
is like if you're if there's a burglar there or
someone there and they say call like if you had
if someone's holding me hostage, they say, get Emily Simpson
down here. We're really upset with her in last week's episode,
we want to attack her. Okay, this is actually I
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would call you and say I need you to come home, dear,
and can you bring me the Beatles fifth album?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Why the Beatles fifth album?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And then and I'll say I need to borrow it.
Can you bring it home with you or pick it
up on your way home?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well then the fifth album's name is help.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh yeah, doesn't that sound suspicious? And if you're in
front of kidnappers and you're telling me to bring the
Beatles fifth album, you don't think they're going to find
that strange.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't think they're savvy enough.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
That sounds like a normal call.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
On a Chips episode when I was a little kid,
and I've been waiting to use that ever since.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, now you have had the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No I didn't. No, I didn't get to use it.
Oh you mean you want to actually? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh my goodness. All right. Once Tracy and David Lynch
were given custody of the children. This is his sister
and his brother in law that lives in Ireland, they
were given custody of the children. She wanted custody of
the kids, but they were given custody, but she never
adopted them formally, so they went to the aunt and
the uncle. Per Jason's will, they traveled back to Ireland
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in August of twenty fifteen. Within days of their return,
they began to recant the statements they made at the
Dragonfly Center, telling their aunt Tercy, that they had been
coached by Mollie to say their father was abusive in
a Skype interview in twenty sixteen. So Jack is the
oldest son and in this documentary there's a lot of
interviews with him, and he's very emotional and he claims
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that he was coached to say these things, that he
actually thought his dad was a great dad, and then
he had a very close relationship with his dad. But
he also wanted to I don't know, like he was
close with Molly because that's the only mom he really knew,
and so he admits, so he wanted to do the
skype interview and he wants to admit that quote, I
didn't tell the truth that Dragonfly Molly made me lie. Sarah,
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the daughter, similarly discussed or disclosed in diary entries that
she was instructed by Molly on what to say. So
then we get to the trial in twenty seventeen, the
defense sought to include Jack and Sarah's statements. However, the
court excluded them, citing a lack of personal knowledge and
the fact that they'd been recanted, classifying them as unreliable hearsay.
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Mollie had been accused of lying to friends and family,
i e. Claiming she gave birth to Sarah, which helped
reinforce this manipulation claim. So in August of twenty seventeen,
Mollie Martin's and Tom Martins were found guilty of second
degree murder in Jason Corbett's death by a jury in
the Davison County Superior Court. Know, this is one of
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those cases where when I was watching it in the beginning,
it seemed very straightforward to me, Like they got married,
she wanted to adopt the kids. He was probably abusive
to her. Her dad jumped in and intervened, they beat
him up. But then these kids and then these kids say, oh, yeah,
he was abusive towards her, corroborating it, but then they
recan't later and they're like, we didn't want to say that.
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We don't really believe that we were coached by her.
So I had a hard time actually deciphering who was guilty,
who was at fault, whether he was aggressive that night
or not. In February of twenty twenty, so we're talking
about three years later, the North Carolina Court of Appeals
overturned Molly and Thomas Martin's twenty seventeen convictions, citing prejudicial errors.
(26:45):
Molly and Tom's lawyers specifically referenced the exclusion of Jack
and Sarah's Dragonfly interviews, the hidden recording devices Molly left
throughout the house to document Jason's alleged abuse, and their
claim that the death of Jason's first wife was due
to strangulation, not an asthma attack. So they get out
(27:06):
on appeal because the defense said that these things were
not allowed in the first trial. First of all, they
didn't allow those interviews at that Dragonfly place with the
little kids because they said because the kids recanted them.
So they were like, what's right, what's the truth here?
They're saying that it was and now they're saying that
it wasn't. How do you rely on those initial statements
(27:28):
that were made, but those were not used in the
first trial. Also in this documentary, you can tell she
leaves recording devices around. But here's the thing with the
recording devices, And let me know what you think about this.
She knows there's a recording device in the kitchen, and
I saw a scene of this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
What was the purpose of her recording device?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Because she was getting evidence that he's aggressive or abusive.
So she had a recording device in the kitchen. Oh okay,
she knows it's recording. So I'm saying it was very
to me. I'm watching it, and it feels very easy
for her to manipulate the situation. She's very calm and cool, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
She put on her poker face.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right, Yeah, I don't know. He's like upset. He came
home from work and he's upset about the dinner or
soup or something. I don't know. I didn't think it
was aggressive or overly abusive or anything. I thought maybe
he was just being kind of a jerk. But I
don't know if that's evidence that this man would strangle.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
As Why if I acted that way, would you say
jerk or abusive?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I would say jerk. I wouldn't say it was abusive.
But I also feel as if it's a setup. She's recording.
She knows it's recording. She puts it in the kitchen.
He comes home from work. He's probably tired from the day.
He's being he's being crappy. He's not being great.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
No, yeah, it's not. It wasn't like organic interaction unknown
to either party. That is being recorded, right, clearly, she's
setting him up.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, And I don't know. Maybe he comes home from
work every irritated. Maybe he has bad days at work
and he comes home and he's irritated. She knows he's
going to be irritated. She puts a recording device in
the kitchen. She stays cool and calm.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Maybe she has cool and calm.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
She hit him with a paper in the head until
his brain matter was.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, she lost it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
All I know is his first wife died of asthma,
and that's suspicious.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You can't get past the asthma, can't you?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
All right? And the North Carolina Supreme Court, in a
four to three vote, affirmed the decision, officially vacating the
murder convictions and remanding for a new trial. So a
new retrial was initially scheduled to begin on June twenty
sixth of twenty twenty three. However, to avoid another trial,
Molly pleaded no contest and Tom this is her Dad,
(29:44):
pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter per a negotiated plea deal.
Both were sentenced to fifty one to seventy four months
in prison. You thought I was gonna say years.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
In Well, still at fifty one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
To seventy four months in prison, with credit for the
forty four months already served, effectively leaving them around seven
to thirty months remaining. In June sixth of twenty twenty four,
Molly and Tom were both released from prison. A Deadly
American Marriage was released on Netflix with interviews from Mollie, Tom, Jack, Sarah, Tracy,
(30:19):
and David. In this documentary, we witnessed Jack and Sarah
prepare for the retrial and recount their personal experiences of
manipulation at the hands of Mollie. Mollie and her dad
Tom are adamant that it was an act of self defense,
but Jason's family and children are not convinced and believe
that he was murdered in cold blood. So I don't know.
(30:41):
It's very interesting. I want you guys to watch it
and tell me what you think. Because I was still
at the end of it, I was still conflicted whether
I felt as if he was so aggressive that night
that they really needed to use a baseball bat and
a brick paver to his head.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So does she had cameras recording prior to all this?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It wasn't cameras. It was recording, was audio recording audio.
It was audio recordings. But to me, I felt as
if she was doing that because she was setting up right,
I know, you know, she's setting up her her evidence.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, it was clearly in her favor.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, it was premeditated. It's premeditated that she's getting, you know,
this evidence in order that she wants.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
To use building her case.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
She's building a case. She wanted to adopt these children.
He would never formally allow her to adopt them. I
think she was really mad about that because I think
she had plans of like divorcing him and taking the kids.
I think she was obsessed with the kids. That's my takeaway.
I don't know. So she killed wife, No, she didn't
know the first wife, But I'm saying she wasn't the nanny.
(31:41):
She was the nanny after the first wife died. Remember
they didn't have a nanny. He was married and it
was a moment they had no they had young kids together.
The first wife dies, They're.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
In Ireland right then he goes then.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hires the nanny to help take care of the kids,
and then he quickly mary nanny, quickly marries the nanny,
but the nanny becomes In my opinion, based upon what
I watched and what I saw in the interviews and everything,
I felt as if Mollie Martins was obsessed with these children.
I felt as if she was obsessed with being their mom,
them being hers. As I said earlier, she had even
(32:18):
lied to other friends and family about giving birth to them.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Oh wow, that's like that movie Rock the Cradle. Yeah,
Like I mean, I remember the mom would come home
be like, my baby's not drinking milk. That's because she
was breast.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, that's very Molly Martins.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Like.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
My takeaway was that she was so obsessed with these
children and that he would not allow her to legally
informally adopt them. So she knew if there was a
divorce or whatever, did he.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Have money or did he have anything any type of
financial appeal that maybe she thought she would take the
kids in the money.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I don't think it had to do with money, she
was as truly.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Obsessed with two kids.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I think she was truly obsessed with the children and
being their mother.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Was she not able to have her own kids? Do
you know anything like that?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know, I don't know if she was able to
have her own children. I don't. I feel as if
when she was the nanny for these kids, they were
so young and they didn't have a mother at all,
that she just became the mother figure, right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And she so as far as she was concerned with
price since since.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And I believe they called her mom, like quickly after
they were married.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
They start that's all they knew.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's all they knew. Yeah, And I think she was
so obsessed with these children that I don't know. My
takeaway is, especially since there was a brick and a bat.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well, you're obsessed with our children. Should I worry?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I am obsessed with our children, Yes, Should I worry? No?
Because I have legal rights to them. She had no
legal rights to the children. That's what made me think.
And also her her trail of evidence that she was
setting up and the recordings before that incident, and the
dad was an FBI. He worked for the FBI for
thirty years. He knows what to say and what to do. Yeah,
(33:55):
and he knows how to answer the questions.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well, they should do a test on the paper. Was
the pay Was the paver really part of that property? No?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
They were the kids, the kids who had an art project.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You know how you can paint, I know, but did
they really have that?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, there were there were other pavers that were painted.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh, maybe she set that up. Maybe she went and
bought papers, said hey, kids, we're gonna paint some papers.
The kids were like, well there's one extra, and oh yeah,
I don't worry about that, but I'll leave it Benet,
that's mine. I'll paint it later. Yeah, I'm gonna paint
it read later.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you it is not.
I watched this documentary and it left me with more
questions than answers. I found her very manipulative. The dad,
her dad worked for the FBI. I don't know if
I see the husband as aggressive. The way she explains it,
she's building a case. She's recording him when he doesn't
know it. The kids are recanting and saying that she
(34:46):
manipulated them and told them what to say. I don't know.
I just I had a hard time with her. So anyway,
if you get the opportunity, watch it on Netflix. DM
me tell me what you think, because it's called a
Deadly American Marriage. All right. I wanted to come back
(35:07):
to we've talked about last time. I believe we talked
about Brian.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Coburger and the Okay, the Coburger.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Now we're moving on to Coburger just a little bit
here at the end. I want to go into that
just because he did take a plea deal. But there's
also just to tell you guys, if you like to
watch all this true crime stuff like I do, there's
a new documentary. It's called One Night in Idaho. It's
a new Coburger documentary and it came out on July eleventh,
and it's on Prime if you guys would like to
watch it. So, Brian Coberger, we know, has formally confessed
(35:35):
in writing to the twenty twenty two Idaho murders. And
he did not provide any explanation for the murders. There's
no motive in there whatsoever. However, this is what I
think is interesting. So there's a new book coming out
and I pre ordered it and it's written by an
investigative journalist who has been covering the stories from day
one in Idaho. And also Scott Patterson, who we know
is is a huge fed author. I mean he's very basic.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Scott yeah written.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I know you're gonna ask me that I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, you said he's very famous, So what is he written?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I don't know. I haven't read any of his books.
He's famous, but apparently, and I thought this was very interesting.
Brian Coberger had a fascination with a serial killer named
Elliott Roger. Elliott Roger has since become a figure in
the in cell or involuntary celibate's movement. I had never
heard of Booth either. Have you ever heard of this
involuntary celibacy? Involuntary celibacy you do wear like a padlock
(36:31):
underwear or something. No, it's because you're rejected, so to speak.
You're you're found, you're not found appealing by women.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh, involuntary, Like, no one's forcing you to be celibate, right,
but based on your unfortunate circumstances, you cannot break celibacy, right,
got it?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So Coburger took a class about serial killers and their motives.
Including that of Elliott Roger, who was a twenty no
who was a twenty two year old virgin, who was
who fatally stabbed or shot six people and injured fourteen
in East La Vista, California, before killing himself in May
(37:15):
of twenty fourteen. Okay, first of all, I've never heard
of this guy, but I find this really interesting. He
had posted a video online about his plan to kill
his revenge for being rejected by women. In this video,
he says, I'm twenty two years old and I'm still
a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl. I don't
know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I
(37:36):
will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime,
because I don't know what you don't see in me.
I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at
these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I
will punish all of you for it. So then he
goes on to murder six people based upon this anger
(37:58):
that he has because he is a twenty two year
old virgin and women are not interested in him.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Christine Cameron, who was an administrator of that turnout for him,
he killed himself and may have two thousand and five.
Clearly he died a virgin.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Christine Cameron, who is an administrator of the University of
Idaho murders facebook page, said that shortly after the murders
were conducted, a Facebook user named Papa Roger. Remember this
guy's name is Elliott Roger and he's dead, began leaving
disturbing messages and their discussion group. Cameron said, after Brian
(38:34):
Coberger is arrested, I start thinking, Okay, Papa Roger, Elliott Roger.
If you listen to some of the manifestos of Elliott Roger,
he talks about hating all the girls from Alpha Phi,
which is the same sorority that Kaylee Gonsalves was in.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You know, I've never once thought to kill women that
said no to.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Me, well you're not a virgin.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well no, but I mean like if you ask him
on a day and they say no, it's not my
first thought isn't, Well then you might die?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I mean maybe more like, what am I doing wrong?
Let me get go to the self help section at
the Barns and Noble, let me figure it out.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Well, maybe I was also thinking, maybe that's why women
rejected him so much because I feel like maybe he
gave off some type of string murder like serial killer vibe.
So I mean, there's that all right. So we know
Brian Coburger took the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
So what are your you know, I've read a little
bit more about this about the plea deal.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
One.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
He did sign a confession, but there's no motive in
the confession, so I do there is that sense of
not having closure, but.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The m I agree with that, and I don't know
what it's like. So I don't want to put myself
in their shoes and act like I know. But it's
like he's crazy. He probably couldn't get the women and
so he killed them. I mean, I think that's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So you're saying, in your mind, it's not like you
would need a motive to feel closure, because we were
talking about someone who's clearly a psychopath, and it's that
that happened to me.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I don't know if I'd ever get closure like oh
now I'm at peace, I would just maybe it would
put it to rest, like the questions, but it would
That's why I unders said when people say oh now,
they can have closure, which again no disrespect to parents
of their children, but it's like the kid's still dead.
That would be tough to move on and act like closure.
I don't know if I'd ever have closure. I might,
(40:28):
I might be able to move on a little bit
here and there or whatever, but I don't know if
i'd be like at peace, especially just because of a motive.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, I think when it to me, the way I
understand closure in this sense is that there's some form
of justice.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, that's another thing I have a problem with because
is it just okay, so he if he goes, if
he gets to death penalty, right, I know he's not,
But if he gets to death penalty, is that justice
in the sense like, because I see justice as like okay, narrative,
thing's equal. So if they yeah, well no, no, like
like you robbed me of fifty bucks and and now
you gave me my fifty bucks back, justice like we're
(41:06):
back to zero even. But like when you're a child,
when there's a murder, no matter as child, and they're dead,
it's just it's really hard for me to think, like
when when people say that sorry, I know I'm around me,
but when people say oh, there's justice. I just in
the back of my head, I think, no, that there's
still at a loss.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, I understand that. But if you if something happened
to your child or someone in your family, and if
there was no repercussion, like it's let's say your child's
murdered and you never find the murderer, you don't feel
like you would you would die without any closure of
knowing who it was or what happened, yeah, or any sense.
You're right when I say justice, that.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
There's there's I just I guess I just I don't
refer to as justice because it's still unfortunate. That's that's
what I've always thought.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's just my thoughts, I know, but I think I
think the idea of closure here is that he receives
punishment for his crime, as opposed to that's that's how
you put the period on.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
But there's not enough.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
That these parents have had to go through. And how
he finally ended is that there's some form that he
that they can maybe find some piece knowing that he's
you know, received the death penalty and that he has
to go to sleep and his cell every night with
the anticipation that someday he's going to die by lethal
injection or you know, firing squad.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, I don't know. That's just that's just a hard
pill for me as well. That's all.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Well, the irony is is that he clearly took a
plea deal to avoid the death penalty when he had
no problem taking the lives of four people.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right, And and then it's like, well, why should you
grant him that that the the privilege of choosing whether
he's entitled to the death penalty or not. Right, I
would go for the death penalty. I'd be like, now,
we're going to go for it. But I understand that
the parents that think, no, we want to be done
(43:00):
with and just you know, go forward to our lives.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Well, that the whole that's very divided between the families
because there's four, and I do believe that I think
it's split. There's I think there's two that are happy
to just be done with it. He took the plea
deal in the one and.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I get that. I get the other way too. I
get it both with.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Right, but they're both Neither one of them are wrong
in their thinking. It's just that's their takeaway and how
they feel. Anyway, when I get the book. I'm going
to read it, so I'll let you all know. I
do think it's interesting that maybe he carried out a
manifesto that had to do with this earlier serial killer
named Elliott Rogers. So if you guys want to look
more into that, you can look that up and read
more about it. And anyway, that is the end of
(43:37):
the show for today. Thank you so much for listening.
If you have other cases that are of interest that
you want to DM me about, I appreciate it. You know,
I have gotten multitudes of dms from you guys asking
about us covering the case in Australia about the woman
that laced like a beef Wellington with poisonous mushrooms and
and killed some of her family members with poisonous mushrooms.
(43:57):
She was actually when I was in Paris last week,
she was sentence.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
And she went to the to the extent of making
beef Welling.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I believe I think it was like beef Wellington or
something like that. Anyway, I know it's very interesting and
I've had tons of you s DM saying can you
guys please cover that and maybe we will. I need
to think about it a little bit more The problem
is with that is that it happened in Australia and
a lot of times when we go through these cases,
we like to talk about legal you know, just a
(44:26):
lot of legal things and I, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Well, we could talk about it like it had it
been in America, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, that's true too. We could make comparisons. So anyway,
that's still in America.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I wouldn't be beef Wellington, No, it would not be.
It would be like a burger or something or Hamburger.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It'd be in and out. But anyway, so thank you
for that. If there's any other cases of interests that
are in the news or that you find interesting, please
let me know and thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
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