Shocking Updates in Singer D4vd Case, Lively & Baldoni's Settlement, and Kepner Cruise Murder

The latest in the Anna Kepner cruise ship murder, plus a shocking North Carolina poisoning investigation that could be tied to multiple deaths. We also unpack the sudden settlement between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, revisit new claims in the Scott Peterson case, and for Missing Person Monday, spotlight 22-year-old Alexis Foust, who vanished on her way to class, along with the clues that don’t add up. Tune in for all the details. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We talked true
crime all the time. We have made it to Monday
the fourth, and may the fourth be with you.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
May the fourth be you know what you stole my line?
I was hoping I would be able to say that
that is so funny.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
And you should have because it would come much more
naturally from you. My middle schooler actually reminded me, so yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Belowens to you tomorrow. Ceco Demayo. I know I'm being
Margarita's all day.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I actually already have Marguerite is ready for tomorrow. After
the show, and I stopped at Chicken enchilada casserole with
a side of some Mexican rice.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh, and are coming over. I will be there in
three and a half hours.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well listen between now and then, we do indeed have
a stacked night of headlines. The family of murdered fourteen
year old runaway Celestrivas Hernandez, Well, they've spoken out and
they've spoken out against rumors that they were being paid
by the singer David Burke, and David Burke, of course,
is charged with her murder. Also Blake Lively and Justin

(01:27):
Baldoni's legal battle. Nothing has been more contentious ever. Well,
guess what that's come to an abrupt end, and it
happened just weeks before the trial was set to begin.
We'll get into those details. The father of Anna Kepner.
She's the eighteen year old girl who very tragically was
murdered on a cruise and her sixteen year old stepbrother

(01:48):
is accused of that murder. Well, Anna Kepner's father explains
why he will not be attending the trial. I am
Courtney Armstrong. I'm so happy to be joined as always
with a body, move in and produce it. Taha is
here and Sam and Adam are in the control room.
Stephanie is still out enjoying the beautiful weather.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
But let's dive into a talkback, right.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Hi, this is Dean from Indiana. I was just wondering
with Celeste's case, why we don't hear more about the
parents and why they're not be in charge with child
madlect for allowing her to stay with him when they
know or knew where she was.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
You know, Dean, that's a great question. We do now, though,
have a statement from the parents, so your talkback is
very timely. We do appreciate the talk back, and I
wish I had more answers for you, but let's hear
from them, right, the parents of Celestrie with Hernandez, who
is a murder victim, and the person that did it

(02:55):
is alleged to be the singer David.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
So the attorney Patrick Steinfeld, he's representing the family of
the fourteen year old murder victims Celestia for Hernandez, and
he's officially come out and denied rumors that they accepted,
you know, this kind of hush money that's being alleged
from the musician David. His name is David Anthony Burke,

(03:17):
and he has been charged with her murder. With celest murder.
Her dismembered remains were found in September inside the front
trunk of David's impounded tesla. David Burke Hasted pleaded not
guilty to first agree murder, continuous sexual abuse of a child,
and mutilation of human remains. He's currently in custody and

(03:41):
he faces a maximum sentence of life without the possibility
of parole or the death penalty. So, yeah, what do
you think about that, Courtney. They've they've come out and
they said, we've never received any money from this guy.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, I mean, I think that's important because we have
not yet heard from the parents, and this is the
you know, this is the first time, so right, you know,
I'm sure a lot of thought went into the timing
and what it would say. Do you have what are
some more of the details, let's share those.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
The great, good, great, I'll go through them. So the attorney,
the family attorney, Patrick Steinfeld, he told press on behalf
of their the father, Jesus Rivas. He said, I never
had any contact with this guy and we haven't received
any money from him or anyone in his family. So
they're coming straight out and saying, I don't even know

(04:33):
this guy is I never had any contact with this guy,
we haven't received any money from him. And here's the thing,
you know, their attorney has to know that through forensic
accounting and whatnot that's going to be done on David Burke,
that any payments that he made or his management made

(04:54):
on behalf of him are going to be investigated, right, Like,
you have to know that, So I tend to kind
of believe it. Maybe I'm being naive.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, I no, I do too. I mean it's it's
a statement. You know, these these things tend to be
worded very carefully, right, And I never had any contact.
We haven't received any money from him or anyone in
his family, right, So it's a pretty emphatic denial of

(05:25):
what has been widely talked about.

Speaker 7 (05:28):
So, right, it has.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Been widely talked about that you know, they knew where
she was the whole time, and they had to have
been getting money from David, you know, But does you
know does it because he said I haven't received any
money from I'm sorry, we haven't received any money from
him or anyone in his family. It doesn't say we

(05:50):
haven't received a present manager, right, So like, listen, I'm
not accusing the parents. I'm not in the business of
accusing you know, victims' family members. You know, that's just
not how I how any of us roll really, But
you know, we have to keep an open mind. We
have to keep an open mind. Celeste Reeves was reported
missing from Lake else Nor three times in twenty twenty four,

(06:14):
with the first report filed on February fifteenth of twenty
twenty four. Detectives linked David Burke to Celeste in February
of twenty twenty four, although he cleaned ignorance of her
age and police told him specifically that she was a miner.
They went to his house.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, so there's no deniability non David Burke's front.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
He was told by officials.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
He was and then also, please no, I think I
was going to say what you were going to say,
which is prosecutors allege that you know the suspect.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
David Burke.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
He enabled Celestevas Hernandez's status as a runaway because he
actually paid a student at her school to deliver a
burner phone after her parents confiscated her original device. You're
so right, you're not eighteen or over if you're going
to write a school where fifteen year old goes.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
In February, the police go to his house and they're like, hey,
do you know where this girl is? And he's like no,
and then they're like, okay, but she's thirteen because she
was thirteen at the time. Right two days later, that
phone incident happened at her school where David went to
the school, paid a classmate one thousand dollars because her
parents confiscated her phone. They did the right thing, right,

(07:41):
The parents were like, enough, you know, enough enough sneaking out,
enough running away, you know whatever, You're not going to
have your phone to communicate.

Speaker 7 (07:50):
And so David drives to the school.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
By the way, Lake Elsinore is about an hour and
a half, two hours away from Los Angeles where he's
where he's living, right, And he drives all that way
and pays the kid one thousand dollars to give her
a phone. That's coercion in my I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Absolutely, and honestly the parents that just the thought thirteen
is exactly my boy's age, and it is young. Oh
my gosh, wow, it is young. Like I can tell
you that even though they're getting big and they're in
middle school, they're still forming. Like he's on several sports

(08:31):
teams and half the time, half the the members have
forgotten socks, shoes, geared like you're you're a child.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
At that point, and.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
Oh, I I'm sorry to mean, I was gonna say,
I'm glad that body pointed that time the burner phone
out because for the longest time, I really was giving
David the benefit of the doubt, and I thought, maybe
what if she had a fake ID. I've heard about,
you know, people who have something that has they fooled
celebrity by being they might have been a miner. But

(09:03):
at this point, now everything you're pointing out says the
complete opposite. There's no way he could not have known
her age, so he knew.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
It's upsetting and when the police apparently if you read
the criminal complaint against David work from the people of
State of California, it says in there that David Burke
showed the police of a snapshot that he had on
his phone of her yearbook photo.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
That's weird.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's weird right now. Listen, I don't know what the
yearbook photo said. I don't know if it said, you know,
eighth grader celest revs Ornandez or anything like that. But
that's just the weird thing to show the police. In
my tea, he knew she did a minor.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, absolutely, listen. If you're just joining us, this is
true crime tonight. I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm here with my
buddy body move in and we are talking about the
fact that fourteen year old murder victim celest revs Ornandez.
Her family has recently come out. They've officially denied any
of the rumors that they accepted hush money from musician David,

(10:07):
who's been charged with her murder. We would love to
hear your thoughts. This is such a sticky case. Yes,
you know, it's a minor like right where any one
crime if if you do want to join the conversation
as we're trying to sort sort details out, It's delicate.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's a delicate thing too, especially when you're you know,
putting some kind of blame on the parents, which I listen,
I completely understand, I'm I'm, I'm with you. I one
hundred percent understand it. But it's delicate, right, You don't
want to shame somebody who's grieving, right, and nobody wants
to do that. Another point of contention, though, is that

(10:47):
despite missing persons reports, right, celest Hernandez reportedly lived at
David's home and traveled with him to like London, London,
Texas where his family lives in Las Vegas, to see Sisa. Yeah,
there's photos of that event. I think we talked about

(11:10):
that offline, like last week. There's photos of that, and
you know London, how do you get to London if
you're fourteen?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, I was going to say, that's that's a complicated thing.
I mean to you know, to get a passport to
begin with, which, of course she may have had four.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, they might have gone on a cruise with her
family and needed a passport at some point, you know,
But to use the passport right without your parents around
is another story. And you know that we're just going
to stick up a little pin in that. But to
use your passport to get to another country without your parents,
how does that happen?

Speaker 7 (11:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
And you know, people are people are really talking about that.
It's a sticking point. The prosecution claims that David Burke
met Celest when she was only eleven years old, and
that they began they you know, this is according to
the prosecution, that they began a sexual relationship when she
was thirteen. I don't like saying that. I don't like
saying a sexual relationship. I don't she's thirteen years old.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
No, I mean, is it anything other than rape?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
I agree, one hundred percent. But this is what they're
you know, this is what they are saying in the
criminal complaint, right, they began a sexual relationship when she
was thirteen. You know, I think laws or the verbiage
might need to catch up. He began sexually assaulting her
when she was thirteen, is what it should say, am I.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
It's just my opinion, right, I agree?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, David Burke began sexually assaulting Celestevas Hernandez when she
was thirteen years old.

Speaker 7 (12:44):
That's how we should read.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Although you know, this will be interesting to see why
because you know, as we mentioned that the statement from
the parents is a thing that's carefully worded. Absolutely, the
prosecution is going to also watch their words carey and
this may be something that comes up in court.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I just can't imagine that the lawyer for the parents
would you know, let them, you know, tell Fibbs to
in statements of the press.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
So it makes me want to believe the parents, right,
It makes me want to believe that what they're saying
is true. They they weren't receiving any hush money. You know,
they didn't even talk to this guy. The only you know,
and maybe their only real knowledge is that Celeste was
there at one point, right, right, And then came home
and they took her phone away from her. You know,
I'd like to know, though, how did the cops know

(13:40):
that David drove to like elsenor to give her a phone?

Speaker 7 (13:45):
Oh well with the tesla. Maybe they're checking the records
of where.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Maybe, but they wouldn't know the details about you know,
I gave him a thousand dollars of the classmate and
you know whatnot I wonder if the classmate came forward.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
I was about to say that classmate would know were
And again, this is probably why the case took so long,
you know what we were saying, forever forever. There are
a lot of layers here.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
That there's a lot and it goes back years, right, yeah,
twenty twenty three when they met, she was eleven years old.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
And also do we know for a matter of fact
that the parents were aware that's Leservius Hernandez was indeed
living at David Burke's home in the Hollywood Hills. I
don't know, right, we don't know. I didn't think we did.
I was just double checking myself. So I'm just saying
from their point of view, what they knew is their

(14:36):
daughter was missing.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
Was multiple and that she came home.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
So after that police visit, she went home two days later,
and then I think the following week David visited the
school with the Burner phone for lots. So, I mean
it was very it was very quick. It was very quick,
like he could not handle, in my opinion, only not
having some kind of control over her. And the way

(15:03):
you can do that was communicating her with her via
her phone in Discord and those apps.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Interesting, Well, this case will be unfolding for quite a while.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
We will keep you up to date.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
But when we come back, we've got some new developments
in the Anna Keepner cruise ship death case, and also
an unusual request by the accused and a poisoning case
out of North Carolina. Keep it here, True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we
talk true crime all the time. I'm body movin and
I'm here with my buddy, as she calls me, Courtney
Armstrong and producer Tahahaus. We had just finished talking about
the case against David, the singer in Los Angeles accused
of murdering Celestie of Hernandez. But we're going to be

(16:02):
shifting gears a little bit to talk about Anna Kepner.
Let's get it right to a talk back.

Speaker 8 (16:08):
Hey, guys, this is Mary kayn Cincinnati. I am so
gutted about Anna Kaefner and that the fact that the
brother's mom is like completely cutting him off. It hits
close to home to me. I have a seventeen year
old son. I'm a single mom. I could never cut
my son off. Now that being said, I hope to

(16:29):
God my son would never do something like this and
I would stand by his side while he accepted the
consequences of his actions. But I just look at it
from the sun's perspective. I can't imagine what he's going through.
At the same time, he did something absolutely horrible and
he needs to face those consequences. Thanks, love you guys.

Speaker 7 (16:51):
Mary Kay.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's a great talk back. Yeah, that's really complicated, right
for me.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean, why do I relate And I really relate
to every single thing you said, right, And I'm gonna
imagine that there's well, I know, there's a universe of
stuff we do not know about the family, sure, and
what may be shaping the mom's decision because without being

(17:19):
in her shoes, which I am not, it is unimaginable
to think of not standing by my son.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Right, I can't. I mean, listen, I don't have children,
but I know that I have parents, right, And no
matter what I do, I can't imagine my mom never
being like it's going to be okay, and we're going
to figure it out. And I love you no matter what. Right.
What you did was awful and what I don't you know,
I don't forgive you necessarily, but we're going to figure

(17:48):
it out. I just can't imagine, and you know, it
kind of it kind of gets worse, right, So let's
at the table. In November of twenty twenty five, while
the Carnival crews Lie Horizon that's the ship name, was
in international waters returning to Miami, eighteen year old Anna
Kepner was found dead in the cabin she shared with

(18:11):
her sixteen year old step brother, Timothy Hudson Okay. Timothy
is now being tried federally as an adult for her
murder by mechanical asphyxiation as well as aggravated sexual abuse Okay.
Anna's father, Christopher Kettner, he's forty one. He lives in Florida.

(18:33):
He has confirmed that neither he or his wife, Chantell who,
by the way, is Timothy's mother, planned to attend the
upcoming June trial. So right, Anna's dad is married to
Timothy's mom. Okay, Timothy and Anna were stepbrother and stepsister. Right,

(18:57):
Chaan Tell is Timothy's mother Timothy's he accused Anna as
the victim. Neither of them are going to the trial.
Isn't that? I mean that's a lot, right especially?

Speaker 7 (19:09):
I mean that is to me?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Is that to me is very shocking.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I wasn't so shocked that the mom wasn't, you know,
wanted nothing to do with the sun, and maybe that
was like a shock reaction. But this is like another level.
So this trial is not necessarily to punish in my
this is all just me talking. It's not necessarily the
punish the defendant, Timothy. Right, it's justice for Anna, who,

(19:37):
by the way, Timothy is her father, and he's not
going either. I think it's very strange.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Why don't we share what the father, Christopher, let's see said,
let's do that.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
So Anna's father, Christopher Kepner, he was among the first
right to find Anna's body. He said, I checked her pulse,
I pulled her from under the bed. I knew my
daughter was dead long before the medical examiner got there.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
How sad is that.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I can't imagine. So having experienced the immediate aftermath and
his father found, you know, he finds the prospect of
revisiting the details in court just simply unimaginable, right because
he found her, right and having to go through all
that has got to be incredibly difficult. He said, unless
they asked for me to be there, neither my wife

(20:34):
or I will be attending. It's going to be too
painful to relive it all again. I don't want to
be back in that room. I can definitely understand. But
he's going to be called, and he found her, he's
going to be a witness.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
He's going to go like it's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
But and he said unless they called.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Unless they call me, I won't be there, right.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
So that would be for all of the rest and
going through We've talked about this before multiple times, right,
it's excruciating the details and unimaginable to me, you know,
to have a parent sit there and.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
Places where like even like Brian Kolberger, like the parents
are there. So it's it's you know, to your earlier point,
it's your child and there's still a side of you
that really like you.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Want to see you want to see justice. But it's
also so complicated too, because they're also parents of the
victim and the defending right. Yes, so it is a
different it's a different perspective, right. He said that, and
his father said that he believes his presence is unnecessary
for a conviction given the evidence has already compiled. He said,

(21:51):
I've heard all the evidence. I saw it for myself.
They have everything they need, and he might be right.
He might be right. They might have everything they need
without him, And I hope you know, for his sake
that he's right about that right to give him some
sort of some sort of retrieve from it all, because
it's just got to be just torture every day. So
my heart goes out to him. The family intends to

(22:14):
focus their energy on her memory, on Anna's memory, rather
than the legal proceedings. We want to remember Anna how
she lived and not how she died. And I think
that's really beautiful.

Speaker 7 (22:24):
Absolutely So.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
On June thirteenth, which would have been Anna's nineteenth birthday,
loved ones are going to gather to build a butterfly
garden and participate in her favorite activities. We are celebrating
Anna by keeping it all about her and doing the
things that she liked.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
I think that's I think that's good. That's really nice.
One it is it is really I think that's great.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
And I think Anna Kupner's father, I mean, this trial
won't bring her back.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Nothing will bring her back.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
True ever, true.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
And there are other children involved within the house that
still need to be raised, go to school and go
to school trips. And I don't know, I really I
understand it. I also understand how people couldn't imagine not
being there. I couldn't the trial. I would have to.

(23:15):
But everybody's different, right, like I would have to be there.
I want to see it through.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
The trial is set to begin in June of twenty
twenty six, and if convicted of the charges of murder
and aggravated sexual abuse, Timothy Hudson faces a potential life
sentence of life in prison, and despite the severity of
the charges, Timothy Hudson was released into the custody of
a family member. I believe it's the mother's brother or no,
the I think it's the mother's brother, the maternal uncle.

(23:43):
You're okay, cool, He released into his custody in February,
and it's a move that you know, the mom and
dad have publicly criticized as deeply painful and disturbing. Anna
Keptner's father and his wife, you know, previously stated it's
deata stated to know that while we live every day
with the loss of our child, the individual responsible has

(24:05):
not yet fully been held accountable. And I agree, all
so sad. This is true crime tonight. We're on iHeartRadio.
We're talking to crime all the time. I'm body moving.
I'm here with Courtney Armstrong. If you want to weigh
in on any of the cases that we're talking about,
give us a call, eight thirty one Crime. We're gonna
shift gears though and go to another story.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
Courtney.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Okay, this is a story we've spoken about before, and
it's a little bit complicated. Starting with the pronunciation of
the suspect's name, So Gudrin Casper Line in Coogle. So
she is fifty three and is currently facing two counts
of first degree murder and two counts of attempted murder

(24:47):
via a poisoning. This all took place in North Carolina.
So the suspect allegedly attempted to use wine to kill
her daughter during Thanksgiving of last year.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Man is right.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
And then the second case against the accused, it's linked
to the it's linked to the use of the same
kind of poison that killed her daughter a set of nitril,
and a set of nitril is a chemical that's used
in manufacturing and what it does is it metabolizes into
cyanide in the body. Oh wow, yes, so important to

(25:28):
note lineen Google. She has pleaded not guilty to all
charges and there's a May eleventh hearing that will determine
if she remains in custody or is granted release. But
her defense is making some pretty unconventional arguments.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
Let's hear it. Yeah, no, I'm fast. Okay.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
So there was a pre trial release hearing.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Originally it was scheduled for April thirtieth, but it's been postponed.
Now it's set for May eleven. So the defense is
arguing that the accused should be out on bond, and
the defense attorneys are highlighting that at the time of
her arrest, the accused Line and Google that she was

(26:14):
actively breastfeeding her three year old child at the time
of her arrest, and that she is also caring for
her eight.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
Year old child? Okay, okay? And why not? What am
I missing that?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
That's the It's kind of an unusual quest. So they're
saying she should be out on bond in order to
take care of her two minor children, the eight year
old and the three year old. Mothers get arrested all
the time, they sure do.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
What is so? Is she leaning towards the breastfeeding aspect
of it? As to why three years old? Do three
year old breastfeed? I don't do well. That's a whole
different conversation which I had to look up really before
the show to see what age do most children stop breastfeeding?
Neither do I clearly, But it sounds like, you know,

(27:07):
past three is uncommon, but it is medically normal. So
there are parents that do that, and I think Courtney
and I we briefly talked about it. There's a debate.
There are a lot of parents out there that don't
know the unconditional time frame or the uncommon time frame.
But I think it's more so the argument that she
has as to that's the reason why she needs to

(27:29):
be out on bond, and it's a bit questionable to me.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
It's questionable, and also that their argument doesn't make any
logical sense to say that she should be out because
at that time she was arrested, she was breastfeeding. We
did a search and listen, it's possible that she was
pumping and still making milk for her daughter in prison,
but couldn't find that. And if that's the case, it

(27:55):
doesn't matter because that's no longer an option.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay, point your kids three and a half years old,
start feeding them some food.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Okay, that's what I feel. Yeah, I can, this is
walk can open the refrigerator. It feels like.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, time, like this is a toddler at this point,
but three she's getting ready to her kids, getting ready
to go in kindergarten.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
And again this is and this is a thing. It's
a personal you know to everyone.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Sure, no, I totally agree. But if you're like, if
you want to continue breastfeeding in you're a stay at
home mom, Okay, fine, but if you're in jail, you
have to start making some changes in your lifestyle, right
you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (28:34):
Like you can't, right, yeah, you chose to get it
together here, So now this is all right, allegend.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I mean, this is crazy, but I also had to
live in my insane age.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
You're not everything, you are not, you are not. I
also had to look up because she's fifty three, so
that was also a question, what.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
She's my age? Get it together?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Okay, enough mash up the bananas and give her some
baby food, like, enough with it, get it together well.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
The accused defense also claims, and this is again for
their petition for bond, that she suffers from what they said,
we're serious and documented medical conditions, that she requires specialized care,
and noted she already has required emergency room visits plural
while being in custody. And finally, they said in their

(29:34):
argument for getting her out while she awaits trial, is
that the prosecution's case is largely circumstantial. Meanwhile, the prosecutors
the prosecutors have previously indicated that they are investigating additional
deaths that may potentially be linked to lining Google.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
You know, every time there's a poisoner and it's a woman,
I feel like there's always another death that comes up.
Right about ten years ago, mysteriously one of her co
workers died and I suspected poisoning. It feels I mean, listen,
I might be wrong about this, but it feels like that.
It feels like every single time there's someone in the

(30:19):
past that's also been poisoned.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well, you're exactly right, and we spoke earlier about the
Thanksgiving incident. Well, also, what she the accused of being
charged of is back all the way. In two thousand
and seven, there was the death of a man named
Misha Smitt. He lived on the same property of the accused.
Originally his death was considered a result of huffing, but

(30:43):
it has since been attributed to that very same.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
Poison that was used Widow. Yes, stop it. So I
do some testing. Oh no they did it looks like yeah, no,
that is happening.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
She is on child for that, and I'm saying there
are additional goodness potential. So we will be revisiting this
for sure, and stick around because top of the hour,
Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni their legal battles taken a turn.
And don't forget give us a call. We're at eighty

(31:19):
to eighty three to one crime. We want to hear
from you always and keep it here True crime tonight.
We are talking true crime all the time.

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possible about that Missing persons.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
But now let's go to a talk back.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Hey, True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 10 (32:24):
It's Corey from New York. I have been following the
Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively case and I'm really surprised
they've settled right before trial.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
I'm a little.

Speaker 10 (32:33):
Disappointed about that. After all the back and forth. It
feels like we were finally going to get some answers,
and now I'm wondering, do you think that this brings
closure or just leaves more questions? Really curious your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Corey, Corey, Corey, I'll speak for myself.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
I couldn't be more with you.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, I think I'm going to speak for Stephanie. And
Stephanie is probably freaking out right now now, as body,
I don't care like I could care less about these people.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Awes right, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
But Stephanie's probably freaking out.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yes, And okay, so just for anyone who's sort of
catching up on this now, two weeks from now, Blake Lively,
an actress, and Justin Baldoni, actor director, they were set
to be in court and really duke out their multimillion
dollar legal battle, but they've reached a settlement and this

(33:34):
whole lawsuit, which has been going on from more than
one year. It's centered on allegations of an online smear
campaign and conflict surrounding the production of film that they
start in called It ends with Us. But Corey, and
I know, body, maybe this is not your the most
intriguing case to.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
You, No, it's interesting, it's just the two people involved
annoy me.

Speaker 7 (34:01):
I don't know why, but it is interesting. The case
itself is interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, And okay, so Corey, you were surprised that they
settled before trial. Honestly, I think someone woke up and
looked at I cannot imagine the amount of money, time
and energy resources to by the way, court resources, reputational
deterioration that has gone on up until this point, and said,

(34:31):
now we're going to do it all again in you know,
in a court and bring all of our friends in
who we've ever texted. Because that also there were multiple
people brought into.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
This Swiss.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
My tat. I don't want my Tata to get on
the stand to be tarnished by this nonsense.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
That might have been part of the decision making with
it too that you you know, I realize we're gonna
have to bring all these people in. They did its
first time. It's and how do you clean up your
reputation after all of this? Like who wants to work
with either of the parties involved at this point?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I mean me, But listen, it's so sad too if
you think about it too, right, Like if the allegations
that Blake Lively made are true and accurate, let's say, right,
let's live in that world where they're true and accurate.
Nobody's gonna want to work with her because, I mean,
and poor her, right, right, because she's just a victim, right,

(35:36):
who's like trying to get some justice doing the thing.
She's a woman in the in the world, and now
nobody's gonna want to hire her because basically she looks
like a you know, a cry baby.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, even though even though let's live in the world
where the accusations are accurate, I feel bad for her
in that sense, right, I really do. And you know
it's kind of like Amber heard a little bit, right.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
Oh yeah, that's another good example.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, well that's that's a great example because yes, this case,
this case began.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
With Blake Lively alleging I don't want to use the
wrong word.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Is it sexual? What what word am I reaching for?

Speaker 7 (36:22):
That?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Sexual harassment? Thank you very much?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yes, sexual harassment from Justin Baldoni, who again was the director,
which kind of makes him the boss. So that's where
it began. And that's horrible. And like you said, body
if everything she is alleging terrible stuff.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
And not buddy, And from there I love that you
brought up Amber Heard, because what this turned into is
mud slinging on a absolutely international Internet driven level of
smear campaigns, the likes of which which were actually perpetrated

(37:02):
against Amber Heard by the very same PR company that
Justin Baldoni engaged.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
That's interesting, right, they weaponize the internet right to shame
and silence her before the movie's premiere.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Yeah, that's the allstation, that's the allegation.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yes, So you know, back to that great talk back, Corey,
you said, you know, we were finally going to get
some answers, and you were wondering if this brings closure
leaves more questions. I think this is such a case
of boy, there's more than one side to his story,
because Justin Baldoni also had some allegations about did Blake

(37:48):
Lively taking over the project that he was in charge
of and her husband bringing in her husband, powerful Ryan Reynolds.
So I don't think there was ever going to be answers.
I think this was just going to be continued to
be the round and round that it has been up
until this point.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
Yeah, you're right, and it's important to.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Right it's I think it's important to point out though
that you know, the allegations that Justin Baldoni made against
Blake Lively. That countersuit was dismissed months ago. Right, it
was important.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Body.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
The other part that I think is important is that
most not all, but most of Blake Lively's claims, including
the sexual harassment allegation, were struck from the action last month.
So this case basically became kind of dead in the water.
And I just don't know that they had any choice

(38:48):
but to settle. There was really nothing actionable at that point,
well except for those maybe the smear campaign.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Correct the spearman, and you know, there were multiple court
ordered settlement talks. So yeah, the oh, the judiciary was like,
sit down and talk about mediation something mediation. Yeah, so
the court ordered settlement talks. They failed a bunch of them,
but ultimately they did decide to avoid that trial. And

(39:19):
apparently the decision to settle stemmed from a cost analysis
regarding their future careers.

Speaker 7 (39:26):
Oh yeah, just like that. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I go to bed every night, right, and I usually
fall asleep. I watch a specific YouTuber, Emily D. Baker's
She's a lawyer that goes over trials, okay, and when
her video ends, I wake up in the middle of
the night and guess what's playing every single night The
Amber Heard and Johnny dup Trial.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
I wake up to it. It.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I mean constantly, it's I don't know what my algorithm
is doing, but imagine when so what you just said
that you this reputational damage that last three years people,
I mean, this would have been all over to me.
This would have been on lawn, you know, it would
have been on Long Crime. Everybody would have been broadcasting it.
It would have been everywhere. I think they made I

(40:15):
think they made the smart move by settling.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Finally, I agree one hundreds.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
And again, since we do want to save some of
this for Stephanie when she's back, we're going to talk
about the joint statement that both parties released, because honestly,
my eyes were just a rolling.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
So we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
But for now, they are settled, and both actors want
to move forward constructively and in peace.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
End quote.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Good for them, and I hope they move forward in
peace and good for the move you know, habit, good life,
Good for them. This is true crime tonight. We're in iHeartRadio.
We're talking true crime all the time. I'm body moving
and I'm here with Courtney. I'mstrong. Give us a call.
Eighty eight thirty one crime. We wanted what do you
think about this case? Let us know, But for now,
let's go to a talk back.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
My name is Shanda.

Speaker 11 (41:04):
I listen to you guys all the time. I remember
the Lacy Peterson case, and I was like obsessed with
it because I just couldn't imagine a husband killing his
pregnant wife, and then he had that whole double life,
and he acted all weird at the vigils, and he
just never seemed ying, was always suspicious. But I'm just
wondering what was the new evidence that they even had
to show on the appeal, because the evidence was pretty

(41:26):
stacked against him when it all came out.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Thanks guys, I love that you asked this question.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I love it too, And we'll get to the short
answer to what new evidence did they have to show?

Speaker 4 (41:40):
The short answer is not much.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
But just to back up a second, if people don't remember,
it was back in two thousand and two and Lacy Peterson,
who was a beautiful, eight months pregnant woman. She disappeared
on Christmas Eve from her home in California. So Scott
Peterson her husband. Ultimately, he was convicted of first degree
murder in two thousand and four. And this was after

(42:03):
the bodies of Lacy Peterson and their unborn son, Honnor,
who was eight months old in the womb when they
washed ashore in the San Francisco Bay. So, and you're right,
Shonda about the quote weird behavior at vigils. And he
had a complete separate life. He was having a full

(42:25):
relationship with a woman named Amber Frey who had no
knowledge in what she had been told by the AQ
or the convicted murderer, Scott Peterson was that guess what,
he was already a widower.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
So that's that what happened.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
And the new evidence, it was presented by Peterson's legal team,
and it was from the Los Angeles Innocence Project. Primarily
it focused on scientific advancements and investigative leads that they
argued debunked the original pros executions timeline.

Speaker 7 (43:01):
That's absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
One of the big, the big ones, right was the
defense presented some new analysis from a radiology expert. Okay,
and this expert claimed that based on modern fetal development research,
Connor Peterson, the baby right, who again, Courtney, you said,
was eight months old, in the womb. Right, they're saying

(43:25):
that he likely died between December twenty eighth and January fifth,
which changes the prosecutors the prosecution's timeline of what happened.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
I see, right, Okay.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So the prosecution or I'm sorry, the defense has always
basically maintained that there was some kind of burglary event
in that case Lacy was kidnapped. All right, This would
line up with that because she was kidnapped and held
for a number of days, right, So they I think

(43:59):
that's what they were trying to do. They claimed police
suppressed or destroyed evidence such as videotaped interviews with witnesses
and whatnot that could have linked the burglars to Lacey's kidnapping,
and that Scott didn't kill her on Christmas Eve? How
could he because Connor didn't die until the twenty eighth
or the fifth.

Speaker 7 (44:22):
And somewhere.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Okay, yeah, and listen, that is so compelling.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
It is laid out body. And then also.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
The defense also asked for a lot of updated DNA testing,
which the court denied all except for one specific item.
It was a fifteen inch piece of duct tape that
was found on the victim Lacy Peterson's remains. So what
the defense is holding out hope is that new testing

(44:58):
might reveal the DNA have someone other than Scott Peterson.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
Interesting. I feel like Joseph Scott Morgan when he was here,
didn't he mention a duct tape as being the perfect
place to see DNA because it's so sticky.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Yeah, so it's like the perfect it's the perfect thing
to leave touch DNA on, you know, skin cells, excuse me, fingerprints,
things like that. So the defense is really holding out
hope that when they get this analysis back, it's going
to come back to not Scott Peterson. It's going to
basically exclude him, right, It'll be exculpatory.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
So that's what they're hyping right.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Now, go ahead, Oh, I was going to say, probably
what you were. The judge, Judge Elizabeth Hill. She, however,
has rejected the defense's motion and her determination was that
this evidence it's not new, and she also ruled that
most of the points compelling as they are and sound,

(46:03):
they either were known or contested during the original trial
back in two thousand and four, or had been raised
in previous appeals. There was a really big petition back
in twenty fifteen as an example, and the judge's ruling
is that, you know, it just didn't meet the legal
standard to over overturn a conviction.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Right, And you know, I tend to agree with the
judge on this one. I mean clearly, who am I?
But I do agree with the judge. I mean body
move and didn't agree. But I, like, you know, I
don't think that the analysis of you know, done by
this radiology expert is enough to overturn a conviction, right that,
oh the baby you know wasn't born for another three

(46:49):
days or I'm sorry, you know, I just don't think
that that's enough. Right, But like the DNA evidence and whatnot,
that should be tested.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
What was what we deny? Would be my curiosity. Some
pieces it says that they deny, So yeah, that's interesting.
I think you should just test it. Well.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Coming up next Missing Person's Monday, we're going to be
shining light on a twenty two year old college student
who vanished on the way to class and the clues
that just don't add up. Keep it right here, True
Crime Tonight. Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio.

(47:32):
We're talking to your crime all the time. I'm body
move in and I'm here with Courtney Armstrong, a producer
to house. If you miss any part of tonight's show,
don't know Sweat, you can always catch on the podcast
and we want to hear from you, so give us
a call eight to eight thirty one Crime. But now
we're going to shift our focus to Missing Person Monday,
where we shine a light on a missing person's case.

(47:54):
And tonight we're going to be discussing a case that
started as a normal day on a college campus and
has turned into a growing mystery with more questions than answers.
And guess what we have a new surprise. Aha is
going to be telling this one. Ooh aha, what's the story?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I know this has really caught your attention. So yeah,
I'm very digging.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I know nothing about this case to just so you know.
So I'm going to probably ask you a lot of
stupid questions.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
So okay, never a stupid question, always a good one,
but I hopefully can answer them. Yeah, this one did
stand out to me. I read about it over the
weekend and it just kind of stuck with me, and
it's just I haven't been able to shake it. But
here's the story. There's a twenty two year old Northern
Kentucky University student that has gone missing, and the timeline

(48:45):
is raising some serious concerns. The person is morey for Faust,
who goes by Alexis and uses they them pronouns. Alexis
was last seen on April twenty seventh, walking alone in Covington, Kentucky,
heading to class. And remember this part, Alexis was carrying
a bright yellow backpack. But Alexis never made it. Okay,

(49:10):
just recently, just recently, which would be last Monday. So
this oh that's right. Oh okay, yes, went missing on
my birthday.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Okay, so Murray April twenty seventh, okay, Kentucky, Okay.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
And we'll say Alexis for our story, just to.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Keep oh Alexis, yes, yes, yes, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (49:29):
So no, this is what's what's been found since only
deepens the mystery. Alexis's car never left their apartment, their
phone was still inside the home, and that same yellow
backpack I was talking about it was later recovered on
the campus, but separate from them. There have been no
confirmed signs of a struggle. And now, as you were saying,

(49:52):
like it's about a week later, there's still no trace,
and the concern for alexis safety is really continuing to grow.
I know, it's really sad. So here's some some details
that you know, will unpack and maybe someone out there
listening as we go through this and hear some details
that might spark some info that will share a phone

(50:12):
number that they can call in to help us. But
Alexis left their apartment last Monday, April twenty seven, and
they were heading to class a normal day, completely normal
as they normally would do. And that's what makes this
a little unsettling because there were confirmed sightings on surveillance
video that showed Alexa's walking alone carrying that bright yellow backpack.

(50:32):
And there after that there's nothing like completely disappeared, no
confirmed impact nor arrival.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, and they didn't go to class, they had no
communication with anyone else's and that's yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
That's what makes it unusual because friends realized that something
was wrong because this is not typical Alexis behavior, like
just to disappear and not to contact anyone. So that's
to your point, party, that's what raised the red flags
that something unusual was going on. And what really stood
out was when they found when they went back to

(51:08):
the apartment. They found Alexi's car was there. They found
the phone was left behind inside. And that's a huge
detail because they need a digital trail.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
So the phone wasn't in their backpack, correct, the phone,
so they didn't have their phone with them when they
were were talking to Okay, So the phone was at home,
the car was at home.

Speaker 7 (51:34):
Okay, that's interesting. And now this is where it gets
even more unusual. That backpack that we're talking about, it
was found in a completely different area, separated from Alexis.
So you almost have three things, the car, the phone,
and the backpack all in different places, which is making
it a kind of a bit of a confusing timeline.

(51:57):
And it's funny you paused on the phone.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Part, because that is odd to me. It is odd
to me people would leave with their phone. Most people
would take their phone to class. Right, you're walking, you're
listening to your favorite podcast, hopefully true Groam tonight. You're
you know, you're going to school. You're going to be
you know what I mean, You're in between classes. You're
on you know, TikTok or something, you know whatever. Right,

(52:23):
that's interesting, that's interesting.

Speaker 7 (52:25):
Okay, And the.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Little I know just from speaking with Taha earlier. So
I understand that police right now they're just saying there
are no confirmed signs of foul play, but it doesn't
mean that nothing happened, and they also made that clear.
There's just no signs of anything. There is no evidence

(52:47):
of what, if anything happened. And then I also understand
that friends said generally Alexis was in good spirits before disappearing,
and there was no indication they played to leave, cut
off contact or anything like that. Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
And the fact that another thing that seems odd to
me is you know, this happened during the day, so
it's it's sort of like the day you would expect
anything unusual at night, not that everything happens at night.
But I don't know that the whole thing has it's
shaken that community, it's shaking up everyone at the school.
So it's been about a week now and no sightings,

(53:27):
no other details. So it's a missing person's case that's
really very current that we'd love any of our listeners
out there to help if they have anything and they
know anything, here's some details. Why don't we share this
something about Alexis so people could know Alexis is twenty
two years old, about five seven, with dyed black shouldering

(53:48):
pair and brown eyes. They were last seeing wearing a
dark jacket patterned pants and sneakers, and they were carrying
that bright yellow backpack that we mentioned but which is
obviously not with that Alexis now. Alexis also has several
distinct tattoos, including a ram skull, a geometric, geometric designs,

(54:10):
and a crucifix. They were last seen in the Latonia
area of Covington, Kentucky. So that's what we know at
this point. And if anybody out there listening has any
detail or this resonates, perhaps you think of something, please
call the Covington Police Department and we have a number

(54:31):
for them which is eight five nine two nine two
two two three four, or you can just call nine
one one and they'll be able to pass that along
to the appropriate parties. What do you guys reported them missing?
From what I understand, it was the friends that some
close friends of Alexis that realized something was wrong, and

(54:54):
I think they were trying to reach out after not
Alexis was out where where they were supposed to.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Okay, do you know how long that took? I know,
I'm asking a lot of good questions that are probably
not makes sense.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
No, No, I think I know where you're going. I
don't know the details, but if I first saw this
article on the weekend, which was Sunday, to me, it
feels like that they probably knew something within a few days.
But I don't have any specifics on the exact timeframe
as to when someone started to say, let's call the police.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I just wondered, because you know, the first twenty four
to forty eight hours are critical when there's a missing
person's investigation, because you know, it's when the leads are freshest,
and surveillance's most available, and witness memories are the strongest.
You know, if you ask somebody, hey, four days ago,
did you see somebody with a yellow backpack? You might

(55:47):
not remember, but you might remember yesterday, right. So I
just wondered if if it happened quickly or home long?

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Yeah, I don't thinking them. And I'm pointed that up
because when I was reading this, I did. I always
wondered why the twenty four to forty eight hours, and
you just spelled out exactly why, because everything is a
little bit fresher at that point. Was just Fresher.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah, yeah, and you know when like we were talking
with Steve Fishery yesterday about the Celesterie of Cernand's case
and he had mentioned, you know, the security being overwritten
and whatnot, you know after months.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
Obviously this was.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Months, but you know the some some facilities only hold
their their surveillance for a couple of days, right, So
it's important to get these those kinds of details as
quickly as possible with law enforcement, so then you can
you can look at those things and they have access
to the surveillance and whatnot exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And things really change once a missing person's case, and
there are more than six hundred thousand of every single year,
and once any of them stretches past one week, it's
really then that investigators that kind of have to shift strategies.

(57:05):
They're not searching necessarily just in the really immediate areas
those witnesses you pointed out body they're being reinterviewed, and
they start relying more on tips, like for anyone who
just heard what Taha is saying in the descriptions of them,
you know, then it changes to needing those right and.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
You know, in the elephant in the room, right, trans
and in gender non conforming individuals, you know, they do
face a disproportionately high rate of violence and disappearance too,
and those cases normally don't get a lot of media
coverage as well, So it's important. I'm glad you brought
this to our attention, Taha, because it is important to
talk about and you know, advocates say, you know that

(57:52):
making coverage like this is especially important right that we
get these kinds of stories out. So I appreciate you
bringing to our attention, and hopefully we may find Alexis
very soon.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
I hope so. And we're going to keep this this
idea of missing person Monday's continuing. So if there are people,
any listeners out there that have a missing person case
that they want to share with us, please call us
and let us know, reach out to us and give
us a call. At eight eight eight, you guys finished
the line. What was the rest of it? I should

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know that by memory, we should for a second.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
But we also we are committed not just to these
missing persons Monday, but also you know, our focus has
largely been on under reported cases, absolutely, and that absolutely
includes people who are trans and people of color, and
many under reported.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
So yeah, even if it's cold, right, give us let
us know, we'll talk about it, we'll look at it,
we'll get it out, and we're happy to talk about
those cases, right.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
Yeah, send them. Let's get us some dms. I would
love that. We you know, we get so many talkbacks
and we always talk about those, but what we don't
dig into as much as I would love are the dms.
And nobody you saw one that stood out to you?

Speaker 4 (59:18):
I did.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
I listen during the commercial break. I saw this one,
and I was like, are you kidding me? You guys
ready for this? So she's in the Middle East and
she can't leave a talkback, all right, So she left
us a DM and it says I really appreciate and
love your show, and I listen to it every day
when there's war outside. At the moment, we're back to normal,
it's been a week since the ceasefire. Listening to you guys,

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it's something that gives me an escape from the local reality,
if that makes sense at all. I would also love
a cozy sweatshirt with allegedly allegedly allegedly on it. I
am so theclemped me too.

Speaker 7 (59:57):
My eyes are welling up right now. And that thank
you that was from Urn. So I'm not sure where
in the Middle East Orn is, but we will reach
out to you via the way that you contacted us
and try to get you a sweatshirt and anything else
that we can do. You know, this one just got
me tearized.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
It got to me, It got to it really got
to me, because you know, I'm like, I'm complaining in
my life about like the dumbest things, you know what
I mean, Like the dumbest My roast beef wasn't slice
than enough or something stupid. Yeah, and then you know,
we get this lovely talk back from somebody who's actually
going through it, and we are making her. I don't know,

(01:00:40):
I don't them feel better? Yeah, And I'm just like,
you know, I got to get perspective here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
That is the exact word body I was going to use.
That is exactly the word I was going to use
after or Instagram. And we couldn't be more touched. We
wouldn't be wishing you more peace and the indefinite extension
of the ceasefire.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I didn't answer from the Middle East was listening.

Speaker 7 (01:01:12):
That was for me also, that was informative. I didn't
realize you know, I guess it's a podcast, so anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Oh, that's true, it's a podcast. I always forget we have.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
A podcast, but it just makes me happy that we're
like around the world, Like I forget Australian listeners and Canadians,
but now we can add Middle East to our list
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I'm sorry, cool, well, thank you, thank you again. Made
our day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah, and then I had one that caught my eye
and it is from Burnetta, which I hope I am
pronouncing correctly, and this is very appropriate since Body's birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Just putting on a birthday hat.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
What is the cutest? I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I had it in the office from when I wore
it for Body's birthday. Yes, it is a It is
happy Birthday with basically confetti coming out of it. So
Bernetta says, happy belated birthday to one of my favorite hosts.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Body. Hear emoji emoji.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I'm always listening to the podcast the next day, but
for some reason it didn't come through until this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
So happy birthday to you. Body.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Well, thank you so much. Listen, it's not April anymore.
My birthday month is over. We can officially move on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Did you get in what you hope in that birth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I didn't get enough attention. All right, I'm gonna I'm
an attention freak. I love it all the attention. I
want it all all the time. I you know, I
want adoring eyes all the time. You know I'm missing
a little bit of it. I think I deserve a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Okay, Well, we'll stick around.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
We've got more to dig into.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
We're gonna be listening to some of your talk, with
your questions and your takes on all the true crime
stories we've been covering.

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
Your Here, Drew rang and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I welcome back to true crime tonight. We are on
iHeartRadio and we are talking true crime all the time,
or as someone with the talk back said, most of

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the time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Yeah of Courtney. Or I'm strong.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I'm so lucky to be here with Body move in
and producer Taha and Sam and Adam in the control room,
and we want to hear from you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
So let's get into a talk.

Speaker 12 (01:03:40):
Hey, Courtney, this is Gina in Florida. I was calling
to add to your statistic about women and being pregnant,
and I recently heard that the number one reason for
death in pregnant women is murder. It's crazy. It's insane.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
I just was shocked. I was shocked. It's unbelievable, love y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yeah, it's quite shocking. Actually, I don't even know what
to say to it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
It's nan back, Gina, and and it is. It's horrible.
And honestly, in terms of dangerous times of domestic violence,
so situations where the man, if the man is the perpetrator,
and let's be honest, statistically that is much more likely.
It's a loss of control can be the most dangerous time. Well,

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talk about losing control having a baby. So I think
some of that was maybe a little bit of clarity,
but it's it's really it's shocking. Or when I first
had known that, I just couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
It is, I you know, homicide is the leading cause
of death for pregnant women and women that are experiencing postpartum.

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
That's insanely crazy. I did not know that stat and
it's it's still hard to really unpack it. In my mind.
It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
But right data is indicating that pregnant women are more
likely to be murdered than to die from the top
three causes, like that they would die during pregnancy, like
hemorrhages or sepsis or some kind of like, Yeah, most

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homicides are often, you know, committed by the intimate partners
of these women.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
Do you feel like we don't like I don't feel
personally that I hear about as many of these cases
are they do they go under the radar? Which is immediate?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
That's a really good question. I think it's hard to
talk about, right Courtney. Don't you think it's hard to
talk about? Yeah, yeah, the murder of a child, let
alone a pregnant woman with a baby. I think it's
hard for people to hear. I think it's hard to
talk about. I certainly triggering for any probably, and maybe

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that's why we don't hear about.

Speaker 7 (01:06:00):
Them a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I think that's right because I think that's very likely correct,
especially since satistically, I mean, it is happening period the end,
so sad, it doesn't mean it needs to continue. So
let us put our thoughts to a world in which
that is not the case.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
But for now, yeah, well, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
Let's do another time about Oh.

Speaker 13 (01:06:27):
Well, it's Lean from Ontario, Canada. I had a good
question about when someone in the media, whether it's an artist,
an actor, media mobile, whoever has been involved in a
crime or some other tragedy. How does it affect how
you view their work after the dies? It affect how
you enjoy the song, the movie, you know, there's the

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book whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Oh that's a really good one.

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
That's because you're supposed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
To separate the art from the artist, right, You're supposed
to say, break those things out.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
But sometimes I don't think I can. I can't have
hard time. I don't think I can.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I have a hard time with that, Like I just
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
This is a great complicated question, and I think it's interesting.
I don't know if you guys have paid any attention
to the Michael Jackson.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
You were going to say that, yeah, same, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Oh, well, it's it's a celebration of his life, his music,
his dancing, and the story ends. I don't remember sam Adam.
You guys were nodding. It ends early in his career,
early enough that nothing can.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
Ye the PEPSI where he was on fire, I remember
that happens. Same, So that's prior to all of the allegations, right,
So they chose to, you know, make it a more
positive and not go that route, you know, He's a

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perfect example of someone where I do separate the music
in some ways from the allegations. I guess it's maybe
a case by case. There's certain artists where I just
can't get past, Like you know, I could never look
at Bill Cosby the same way, or still was always
bothered by Woody Allen or you know, Mel Gibson. There
were certain artists that still or people in public that

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but some with music I did try to separate, but
it is it is a little challenging.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
It's very challenging for me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Or I'll tell you one that I struggled with so much,
and it's still it's got me marbling my words.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Michael Vick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Michael Vick was an NFL absolute superstar, and he I'm
going to screw I'm going I'm gonna mess up the charges.
But you can find he was orchestrating fight, dog fighting
and the stuff that went on with that. I remember,
you know, I'm gonna leave it out. It got it

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was very hard to take. And and then Peta ended
up he sort of Michael Vick, you know, saw the
era of his ways and joined Peta. And yet I
in this moment, I have no forgiveness in my heart,
I have what zero forgiven.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Yogi has a Michael Vick chew toy.

Speaker 7 (01:09:32):
I love it. Yes, yes, that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I definitely did not get over that. That is some politic, definitely,
But I wasn't never a fan of his beginning with
you know what I mean, like, I'm not a sports
fan really well hockey, but I'm not a football fan.

Speaker 7 (01:09:47):
I didn't even know who he was when it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
And of course, you know, I was infuriated by I
wrote letters to all the sponsors for the Eagles that
were because the Eagles were still kind of letting him
play a like right after or something. I can't remember,
but because it's been so many years, but I was
writing letters.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
I mean I was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
I was infuriated by that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Okay, by that guy. Yeah, so that's one. Okay, so
apparently were on that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
But Bill Cosby, I mean, I stuff. I grew up
and and what he's done I mean horrible.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
And I grew up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
I mean I remember I would set my clock, I
would make sure I had my pajamas on and it
was time to me, and I would set up with
my you know, animals to watch him every night and
crush on THEO.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Yeah right, I think we all had crushes on THEO.

Speaker 7 (01:10:45):
Right. Well, yeah, I won't say I did. It was
probably admit it, but it was like the ideal family
for me, even like perfect little black kid growing up
in New York City. I'm like, that's my dream, like
say and so such a role model for me growing
up that to see his demise was it just hurt

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in so many ways. I was like, God, you were
such a person that I'm looked up to and did
hear the things that you did? But but going back
to the talk back, I think it is a case
by case like there's certain it depends on the crime.
Like I don't know, was it Hugh Grant or someone
if they're you know, got in trouble for.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Or like a rider when she got busted for shoplifting.
I don't care about that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:29):
Yeah that I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
I think, Yeah, I forgive you for that, okay, But
even the complicated I'm gonna put your feet at the
fire a little bit, taha, because you kind of instantly
went with this talkback and said Bill Cosby, I can't yeah,
separate what he did did what he do make his
show that aired in the eighties, not funny did what

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he did. There's stand up, it's the end, and it's
hard to get ten with. I mean, there's a what's
two plus two jello joke? I don't even remember the
beginning that like lives inside my head and I.

Speaker 7 (01:12:08):
Agree with you much like that. Again, it was the
music aspect with Michael Jackson. It's like, does it change it?
You know? I still love these songs. I still love
that show. But I think, particularly with the cos of
B show, it was hard to look at like even
you know, if I see him in the episode pouring
a glass of wine with his wife, Now I look
at everything in such a weird different way that it

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kind of taints the show for me, Like it just
ruins it and the experience isn't the same. But but
it's still a great show. There's so many talented people
who've done these crimes. So it is a it's a
it's a juggling act. It's a tricky one. It is
a tricky one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
It was really got us all thinking, I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:54):
Hey, ladies, Jen here in the Midwest, big fan.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Since piked in regarding.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
Allergies, I have tried everything over the counter and prescribed
with little to zero success. But a couple of years
ago I started buying honey from local beekeepers and doing
a little doll up in the morning before my coffee,
and now I have no symptoms.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Love you buy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Oh yeah, brilliant. It's crazy. I still have symptoms with
the local honey, even with the local honey, but it
does help me. Okay, it does help, but I still
have those symptoms. Have you guys gotten in local local
honey yet?

Speaker 6 (01:13:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
But I honestly, after this, this is the thing that's
gonna rev my engine, because you should see. I am
sitting like I'm like elbow deep in a pile of
Paul's wrappers and you know, Kleenex. Nothing's working. I look
like something the cat dragged in. So I'm buying local

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honey and I just.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Go to the art I don't know. They usually have
a cellar, like a keeper or somebody that produces honey,
like a flea markets and your local farmers market.

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
Just go like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Saturday morning and you know, make a little day of it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
Yeah, I'm so going to do it. She is so guilty.
I buy the wrong I buy like you know, clover
or soubie like I buy too, but those are you?
I mean it sounds like I'm useless.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I wouldn't say that, Like if I have a clo
or something, I mean, you're perfectly fine. But if I'm
fighting allergies, right, like the I like the what is
it mankura?

Speaker 7 (01:14:34):
Honey?

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Oh, I can't that one, that's the name. But I
like that for like my tea and whatnot. But if
I'm having the allergy stuff, I like to do the.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
You know what is it? Local money? Sorry? Honey? Yeah, yeah,
that's it really does help. It's a really good idea.
I actually I like to used to like to travel
and everywhere I would go, I would buy honey from
those areas because they all taste just a little smidge
in different to me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
Did you did you really.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
I still have honey from Grease from when I went there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
I have, Oh wow, you know what, I really like
the honey and the straws. You know what I mean?
I just listen, there's nothing I hate sticky fingers so much,
and I every time I get like the squeeze bottle,
I'd get it everywhere. And then you have the little

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honey dipper thing. It's a. It's a mess. It's a
total mess. So I like the straw to listen. If
you're out there and you live in Las Vegas and
you're a beekeeper, you want a million dollar idea, sell
them in locally and put them in little straws and
I'll buy them all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
That's a great I love it alright, a millionaire.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
I don't have a million dollars, but I'll market it.
I'll market it for you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Market Hit me up, let's grab another talk.

Speaker 7 (01:15:58):
Back court me.

Speaker 12 (01:16:00):
You have a pug too.

Speaker 14 (01:16:02):
I can't believe I didn't know this, and now I
need to go search up pictures. My girl is also
a tiny black pug, and she is totally the queen.
What we call her the princess, but she is totally
the boss of all the dogs. She sleeps under the
covers with me, and she is literally just the best.
She also howls this adorable howl. I will have to

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send a video.

Speaker 12 (01:16:25):
Our healer mixes.

Speaker 14 (01:16:26):
When they hear sirens, they will start howling and she
gets right up in there with them and is okue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Oh, little black pugs unite. They're all queens and princesses.
I have a confession. You guys, what I have a confession. Okay,
please feels so.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
I have a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Little Juliet as in just a very tiny balcony on
upstairs off of my office. And my girl, my Roxy Girl,
she's my shadow. She's with me everywhere, you know, to
the bathroom, all of that stuff just constant. Anyway, I
had to leave to go and do carpool, which is
about an hour, and as I was in the middle

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of the drive and I was not able to get
back any faster, I thought, huh when I said goodbye
in the living room, only said goodbye to my other
two dogs. Two turns out I had left Roxy Girl
locked on the balcony for an hour.

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
When we got home, could hear her crying. My son
went up brought her down. She was so nervous she
peed like on him, like she just couldn't handle herself.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
That's my confession.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
But then now she's fine, she's had dentisticks and cuddles
and all is well. But I was so guilty, and
actually I feel better confessing that is today.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
But no hugs, and I said, no hugs were hard.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I am her representative, I am the plug representative, and
I'm I'm calling on you immediately, how David Roy I know,
but well that's the music. We're about done, everyone, thank
you for such a great show. Tomorrow we're gonna have
Joseph Scott Morgan. We're going to unpack the latest forensics

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in the David case and he's got a couple other
cases that we're going to be talking about, So stay
tuned for that and thanks everybody, Stay safe out there,
have a good

Speaker 7 (01:18:28):
Night, good at it.