The Epstein Note, The Missing Mother & The Dark Secrets Surrounding David Burke

The investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie takes another dramatic turn as FBI Director Kash Patel publicly clashes with the Pima County Sheriff over how the case was handled. Plus, a cryptic, newly unsealed Jeffrey Epstein suicide note raises disturbing new questions nearly seven years after his death and the mystery surrounding how the document stayed hidden for so long. We also break down the latest legal battle between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. Tune in for all the details. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Thursday, May seventh, and guess
what we have a stack Matta headlines. Wow, Cash Bettel
and the Pima County Sheriff are at odds over the
Nancy Guthrie investigation and new details merge. Plus this sex
trafficker Jeffrey Epstein suicide note Guys, I am desperate to

(00:42):
talk to you about this, Plus the terms of the
Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni ongoing now ended settlement has
been revealed, and we're going to also discuss the pros
and cons of some school shooting protocols happening in schools
throughout the country, very close to many of our hearts.
I'm Stephanie Lai Decker and I am so glad to

(01:03):
be back with Courtney Armstrong and Body move in. I
missed you, ladies West and of course Taha, our incredible producer,
and Sam and Adam in the control room. I have
missed your faces. They are standing by if you want
to join us live eight eight eight three one crime,
or you can always leave us a talk back. I

(01:25):
have to say, re entry into the real world can
sometimes be a little bit tough. Today was just that.
I don't know if anybody's ever stepped away from work
for a few days and then the return to reality
is sometimes it's sometimes a lot so jet lag aside.
I am so thrilled to be with you, guys, and

(01:46):
I already feel the smiles coming on. So well, you
look you guys. Oh, you look refreshed. You do. Oh
you look a daddy bag.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Your hair has this nice little swoop in it.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You look great. Oh really it look friends. Yeah, a
little bit we Chell and Fort just so you all know.
And I only talking an accent now. So that's the story.
It's kind of crazy, exactly. All I use is gluten
free crouissance and live to tell the tale. Yeah. So

(02:24):
I've been a little cranky all day, so suddenly I'm feeling,
you know, back in the pocket. Which there's so much
to get through. So I would love to fill you
in on so many things, and I'm here for it.
But I also don't want to slow the role on
all these important cases. So much has happened since I've
been gone. Body, let's first start with this Nancy Guthrie

(02:45):
update and sort of this war.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Right, So, the disappearance of eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie.
She's the mom of Today host Savannah Guthrie.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Right, she went.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
She disappeared from her Tucson, Arizona home, all the way
back in February, and it remains unsolved. And it's been
ninety days now, right, it's been over three months.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
That's unbelievable. It is.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I mean, I don't I remember when the story broke,
I could not imagine being where we are now, you
know what I mean? Back then, I just can't imagine it. Well,
remember there was that security footage of this really scary
masked individual, you know, that was approaching Nancy Guthrie's door
on the night she vanished, and investigators have yet to
name the suspect and her disappearance in the resulting case

(03:32):
now has become the center of a really growing public
feud between the FBI director Cash Patel and the sheriff
of that county, Kris Nanos, over how this investigation has
been handled. It's becoming like the center storm rather than
her disappearance itself.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Interesting And by the way, he was doing an interview, right,
so Cash Betel' the FBI director had sat down for
an inch and based on Hanna said that he was
kicked out of the investigation, or that the FBI was
kicked out of the investigation in those early first forty
eight hours that are so necessary in an investigation.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
That's accurate that it says, well, it's actually accurate. Plus
because he said that the sheriff's department kept the FBI
out not just for forty eight hours, but for the
first four days.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Oh, this is creat But the sheriff denied those claims.
The sheriff said that the FBI task Force member was
on the scene the very night of the disappearance. He said,
and I'm going to be quoting from a sort Sheriff
Daniels responded to the scene the night of the incident,
providing immediate local leadership and oversight. The statement read, okay,

(04:45):
and it went on and it said a member of
the FBI Task Force was also notified and present at
the scene, working alongside our personnel. The FBI was promptly
notified by both our department and the Guthrie family, while
the FBI director was not unseen. Coordination with the bureau
began without delay. So there's a conflict there, right.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
The one thing that was strange though, at the time,
and we talked about this, was that the sheriff had
made the decision, based on his experience, to not use
the typical Quantico labs for the samples that they had,
right didn't they send it to a place in Florida.
That was kind of the share the sheriff's decision.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
The county has a contract with that lab in Florida, right, right,
and they and they process all of the DNA stuff
for the you know, that county, and that's the issue,
and the FBI's like, well, we want it at Quantico.
After the fact, though, I think, or maybe before maybe
it was before. Actually don't don't quote me on that,

(05:51):
but I do know that there was this tussle about
that after it happened right now, and you know, we
spoke with CC Moore, and you know, the FBI is
very advanced and they can do that that snip testing
that they're going to be doing now from the FBI.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So yes, it probably should.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Have gone to the FBI, but per the contract that
they have with the lab in Florida, they went to Florida.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Wow, that's a tough one because again, ninety days, it's
astounding to me that with all of the public attention
and with all of the cries for help and meaning
that we've all been trying to add information. We know
that Brian Enton, who we love from NewsNation, who's been
with us here on the show, you know, he's doing

(06:37):
a special about this, and kind of you know, we're
all sort of surprised that there hasn't been been more
done or more success in bringing at the bare minimum
answers to the Guthrie family. Did you see about this
bone they found today?

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
So there was a searcher, like a private searcher, I
think it was a streamer actually out there searching for Nancy,
you know, and he found a bone. I think it's
a heat He found a bone and it looks like
a human bone. So he called the police. Yeah, he
called the police. The police came out and they were
they they say, it looks like it's a It does

(07:14):
look like it's a very weathered bone like it's been
there for a really long time, although I've never seen
human remains.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Who has told.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Opens Well, that's what they're saying. They're saying, it looks
like it might be from some kind of burial ground currently,
so it's not related.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
They're saying right now.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
It sounds like the bone appears to be at least
fifty years old and possibly even quote prehistoric, So it
was rolled out story pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, I don't know, and that's a pretty big difference.
Prehistoric is like thousands and thousands and thousands of years old,
right before recorded history.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
That's prehistoric.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
But I think that I think that the prehistoric investigators,
like anthropologis, that's just the name of the unit that
investigates these things.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I don't know that it's actually prehistoric. I mean, it's
just the name of Wow, yeah, finding some prehistoric bones,
you know, I yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
It does go to show though, why wasn't that found earlier,
right by investigators that were supposedly.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Searching, right And it also I'll never stop bumping up
against the issues about surveillance. And I know I'm not
alone in this, but you know, at the time, remember
there was that real interesting ring footage that was able
to be somehow flound on what was it called the
residual cloud, which you know, cash Metall has come out

(08:41):
and they said that they were able to get some
of this footage off the cloud and it was residual,
meaning the first of all, Nancy Guthrie's service for her
Nest camera had also not even been in use. Right
Also the ring camera or whatever this camera, the Nest
camera that was at the front door, had also been
tampered with, and even after that, they were able to

(09:03):
catch and capture this image of you know, this horrifying
image of this. This would be an abductor perhaps murderer.
Dare I say so? You know, that's been an interesting
piece of it because so many tech experts are really
questioning surveillance, like how is it that our subscriptions or things,

(09:25):
even if it's being used for good, is that appropriate?
You know, is it appropriate that there could be material
in the ether or in the cloud that we think
has been deactivated or has been deleted and then we
realize that it's not. So call me crazy, but you know,

(09:45):
you know, we're working on AI Made Me Die, which
is our new upcoming podcast, So we're we're kind of
down the rabbit hole on this, but there really hasn't
been any more info even on that, and I do
know that there has been a call to attention from
many tech experts to kind of want to understand more
how that was even received, number one, and if so,

(10:07):
where's the rest of it, because shouldn't that solve this all?
I would imagine.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But you know that that footage is at the center
of one of the things that cash Pttel mentioned to
Sean Hannity on that interview when he was criticizing the sheriff.
He said, you know, had we been involved, I just
made a phone called Google. I'm paraphrasing, but he's like,
I just made a phone called Google and we had
the images released, you know, very quickly.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
And I was like, Okay, just a phone call to Google.
Is that all it takes.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I mean, that's what he said, But I'm sure that's
not what happened, right, Like, sure, exactly, he's just saying, right,
But it's you know, I'm glad you mentioned Brian Entton, right,
because he did like this one hour special on Newsation
and he's the senior correspondent for News Nation and he

(11:03):
consulted leading criminal profilers to explore potential suspects and build
a profile on who took Nancy Guthrie. And it was
really interesting, It was really interesting. So doctor Gary, he
is right, Mine's the best.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
He really best, and he really has been super he's
been kind of the front ban of this case.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Has been very proactive. So he brought together a bunch
of these people. Uh, forensic psychologist Gary Pricado, he created
the gradients of evil scale all right, and he says
the suspect is likely to have a prior record and
ties to local criminals in a history of illicit drug use.
And he also says the suspect likely possesses a cruel

(11:47):
scheming ego that was developed over a long period rather
than just something that snapped overnight. He thinks it's a
local hothead with long standing sadistic personality.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Oh wow, yeah, based on.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Well he's you know, Gary Gary Pricott. Doctor Gary Pricotto
is a psychologist and he has criminal profiling history, and
he's basing this on all the evidence that we know
so far. You know, these these these criminal profiles build
a profile based on what they know.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
It's interesting though, because they all have different theories. All
of the criminal profilers have put theories.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
But what is it? Yeah, I was gonna say even
before you say that, though the big ticket items are
we have this footage from the nest camera, right, the
blood sampling that was found at the doorway. There was
that kind of random glove that they found, that rubber
glove that was found I kind of like placed on

(12:49):
a bush not too too far from the home. What
else do they have that would create such a profile. Well,
they know the sadisticness. Well they look at the victim too.
The victim is eighty four years old, she's you really
can't get around much. So that tells you a lot
about who did this too, because trickle that, you know.

(13:09):
So they have a lot of different things that we
don't think a lot about, but they do.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
They think that's so true. Gary, I'm sorry the doctor
Casey Jordan. I think you were going to speak about
that one, right, Courtney.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, So to your point, body that the different criminologists,
they have totally differing perspectives and points of view. So
doctor Casey Jordan believes the suspect isn't in the area,
most likely fled to Mexico, and this is so specific.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
It's a quote.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
This is a guy who, on the day this came out,
quit his job, left town, broke up with his girlfriend,
and changed his behavior completely. And they added that these
case may be solved by accident, either by finding and
recovering some remains, or by the person committing another crime.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I always would imagine, and by the way, I am
no profiler. That is, let the record show. But we've
talked about it so much here I'm curious. It seemed
to me like this might have been a younger person
who maybe was a burglary gone wrong. If we're looking
at that video footage, boy, they were real clunky. Remember
they were like humbling over the plant, and he was
bumping into the door. It didn't seem so so slick.

(14:27):
And I always assumed we would find out that there
was a second person involved, because remember Nancy Guthrie, an
eighty four year old adult woman. You know, like any
of us being taken from our beds, you know, good
luck getting me out of the door. You know, like
it's your dead weight when you're sleeping, right, So imagine
now you have you know, an older woman, you know

(14:48):
she's exhausted. It's literally carrying so much weight for one
person that to me would have been there would have
been more scratches or more of a scene.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I would tend to agree that it would be more
than one person, But I also kind of wonder who
would be able to keep those kinds of secrets with
each other without giving the other one up for the ransom.
So that makes me think it's only one person too.
So I'm very good quid, I'm very conflicted. I go
back and forth. Yeah, it just kind of breaks every rule. Really,
it really does. It really does. Now, you guys know,

(15:22):
I'm a big fan of doctor Ann Burgess. She is
the founder of modern criminal profiling who inspired the show
mind Hunter, my favorite show, and she says it's more
likely than not that this mystery will be solved, and
the only way that she thinks they'll solve it is
if they get DNA and find her body. So we'll
keep everybody updated. Fingers crossed.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah, well, keep it here because when we come back,
we're going to talk about a newly unsealed Jeffrey Epstein's
suicide note allegedly.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Keep it here. True Crime Tonight. Welcome back to True
Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all the time.
I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong and Body Movin.

(16:14):
Happy to have the band back together, and of course Taha,
Sam and Adam are waiting for your call. So we're
about to get into a few things Epstein related. But
later in the show we also have Justin Baldoni and
Blake Lively that we'll be discussing. Also some of the
pros and cons about school shootings and what we're teaching
our kids in the schools. Definitely an interesting unpack to

(16:38):
be had. So since I'd been gone, suddenly a suicide
note has appeared that is allegedly from Jeffrey Epstein himself,
and this is something that he allegedly wrote many many
years ago, and wow, it seems to have turned up
just in the nick of time. A former cellmate his

(17:00):
he finally recalled that he had the suicide note and
that it's been it's been sealed, and fortunately it's now
been unsealed. And boy, lots of discuss there, Courtney. Do
you want to bring us up to speed on this one? Yeah,
I mean you got most of the salient points.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Just yesterday it was a federal judge who unsealed this
suicide note that allegedly purportedly was written by Jeffrey Epstein.
And this came after a legal petition from.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
The New York Times. Is how it came to bear.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
So, okay, Jeffrey Epstein's twenty nineteen death in a federal
jail was officially ruled a suicide by hanging. We've spoken
multiple times how there are many, if not most, experts
who have weighed in saying that the autopsy was suspicious.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
We'll leave that there for a while.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
And then there were also, you know, circling around this
alleged suicide. There were all of the security quote failures
by the prison tape and the prison guards.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
If we were call that, just go through those just
as a reminder, right that, you know, just to refresher memories.
So the guards correct me if I'm wrong, court, The
guards fell asleep, right, They were napping, correct. One of
them had an amount of money transferred slash wired into

(18:29):
their account just before this, right, yes, so oh, and
they also unfortunately they were napping, and they also didn't
do the typical cell checks, you know how you go
to the cells at night just to make sure everything's
where they're supposed to be. Yeah, there wasn't really count
that night, strangely, and you know, Epstein apparently had been

(18:54):
removed from Suicide Watch, which was kind of interesting. So
interesting that there was a suicide. No, but really he
was also not on suicide Watch at one point he
was and had been removed from that, you know, interesting timing.
Oh and then don't forget the minute remember the missing
minute slash three minutes that Pam Bondy was assuring us

(19:16):
it was all fine, Oh, let's go there for one
one second and then I will not beat this horse anymore,
I promise. Remember when Pam Bondy, the former head of
the DOJ, assured everybody that the investigation was very thorough
and that no stone had been left unturned prior to
the three and a half million papers that have since

(19:38):
been released in the two million that still haven't. So
I think we could all agree this has been like
a mess everything surrounding this particular suicide.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
So yes, body, you over hand up, go ahead, don't
forget the sell me too, the sell me out of
the cell coincidentally at midnight, right like.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
The cell me.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
It was just like a series of catastrophes one after
the other, and the cellmate happened to be out of
the cell. I just wanted to add that as another
domino in this correct.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
And yet even with all the eyes on this, suddenly
this note has disappeared.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
So all of those multitude of circumstances that's surround Jeffer
Ebstein's alleged suicide on in August of twenty nineteen. Okay,
Now this note that just unsurfaced yesterday, it's very important.
It's linked to an alleged suicide attempt by Epstein from

(20:42):
the month prior July of twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh so I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yes, so this isn't from that night, correct, it's from
one month prior, so to know.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
But it does speak to his mental state, right, because
you know, if everyone's just beauty, the fact that he
actually died by suicide, Yet this, if accurate, would suggest
perhaps he was in fact suicidal, and that would be
telling information in interesting context. We should actually say what
the note said too, because it was a little awe.

(21:17):
So it's a one page note.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
It was on a piece of yellow legal paper that
was ripped from a legal pad. It's five sentences long
and emphasis is for all caps that were used. They
investigated me for months, found nothing. It is a treat
to be able to choose one's time to say goodbye.
So sixteen year old charges, so fifteen year old charges resulted.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
The what you wanted to do?

Speaker 6 (21:46):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
That line that you just read, it's like it's illeligible,
like people don't know what it says.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh the so sixteen.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Year old charges or so fifteen year old charges resulted.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I just wanted to clear them anyway.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yes, thank you very much. And then it wraps up
with what you want me to do? Bust out crying,
no fun, not worth it. So that's this note, and
it's resurfaced through a man named Nicholas Tartaglione. So Tartaglione

(22:23):
is a former police officer. He was convicted of quadruple homicide.
And he was the one who shared a cell with
Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And what's his handwriting?

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Look like?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Good thing? There's no security around. Everyone was napping with snooze,
these quadruple murderers on the loose.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
So according to Tartaglione, it was on July twenty third
of twenty nineteen that Epstein was found unconscious with marks
on his neck. Epstein's cellmate claims he quote woke up
and saved him by performing cep he are, and that
Epstein was then taken out of his cell following the incident,

(23:06):
and Tartaglion was just returned to the room. So that's
that's how this all came about.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yes, And just to add to that too, First of all,
this note doesn't necessarily read totally like it's a suicide
note per se. Remember he could be put in and
out of the shoe, which is sort of where you
go if you're having a tossil. Epstein reportedly had been
jumped and was being bullied a bit within the facility.

(23:34):
Remember this place was no walk in the park either.
It was real junk conditions by you know, most standards
now add a billionaire to the location. So you know,
it is possible he was at the end, at the
end of his you know, emotional capacity to be in
such terrible conditions. On the flip of that, though, he

(23:54):
was you know, going to stand trial, and who knows,
he could have gotten a pardon. I know, something powerful
could have happened that would have gotten him released. Remember
his original conviction was a super cake walk so if
anybody could pull the strings you know, which we're seeing
even with Gaylane Maxwell today, his co conspirator was to

(24:15):
say that he would be that hopeless. But again, you
never know. I'm not suggesting that I know by any means.
You know, when I first saw this, I was like,
calm on and you know, literally yelled at the air,
and I was just dying to talk to you guys
about it, And just to be fair. On the other
side of this, the handwriting on its nose people are
saying does sort of look like him? Maybe so you don't.

(24:40):
I don't totally either, But again I'm not a handwriting expert.
But on its nose, I wasn't so taken by its greatness,
And how do we know it's not aim.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's true, But it does read like a suicide note
to me, Like the it's a treat to be able
to choose one's time to say goodbye.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
That's cred.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
He wasn't saying that to the to his cellmate when
he was going to get get into a fight or
something or get kicked out. I don't know, I'm just
paraphrasing here. It's not a perfect note. But why are
we just hearing about it now some say, though down
the rabbit hole a little bit I went. And it
is true. In certain investigations things get sealed. Meaning if

(25:22):
if we're talking about or investigating a case about, you know,
a handbag, the case of the handbag and all of
the information about that particular case gets sealed. In this case,
it would be about this quadruple murderer, allegedly or not
so allegedly. He was convicted, so everything regarding his quadruple

(25:42):
murder investigation would be put into a certain, you know,
sealed box, and therefore it is not open to the
general public, right, because privacy does matter in dealing with
different cases. We deal with this a lot in cold cases,
all of us here have. But you know, this was
such a high profile case, Like where's the amnesia happening

(26:04):
all of a sudden, Now you're remembering that this was
in your file at some point, like this was like
this has been the biggest story potentially of our generation.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Well, Tartaglione, the cellmate, he stated, and this was in
a podcast last year. So this this, I think missed
all our radar. I'll speak for myself and miss my radar.
So he was on a podcast and says that he
just went to open a graphic novel to have a
little read in prison.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Open the book, and there it was.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
And he gave the note to his own lawyers as
what he called relevant evidence to protect himself. And that's
because Jeffrey Ebstein initially told officials at the prison, at
the jail that Tartaglione attacked him, not that he did
CPR and saved his life. And so Tartaglion believed the

(26:57):
note would prove that, oh, Jeffrey abstinc I didn't attack him,
he was suicidal.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
So that was why it was in.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
That attorney's hands, which makes sense to me why it
would be outside.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
So we were all talking about it. First of all,
you're so adorable that you're like, it definitely didn't catch
my radar. You're not the FBI in the DJ I mean,
there's been an.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Investigation into this, Courtney Armstrong yet Yeah, okay, no problem.
But seriously, you know, like this has been a pretty
why by many many people. Right, We've seen a lot
of huge names assuring the depth and significance of this investigation.
And I can't help but note, remember you know Robert

(27:46):
Bill Barr, who was the then head of the DJ
who was also the son of Donald Barr, who was
the original person who hired Jeffrey Epstein as a young
mathematician at the private school in New York, decades prior
his first entree into the world, when he had no

(28:07):
education and no degree to become a mathematician. The connective
tissue to me has always just seemed strange. And Bill
Barr is the one that oversaw the suicide investigation and
assured the general public that it was in fact a
suicide despite the many things that had clearly gone wrong
that night.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
That had gone against protocol. If you will, right, is
that accurate? Yeah? Let's ask absolutely, Adam, Adam, do you
want to weigh in on this?

Speaker 8 (28:37):
Yeah, I'll say that, you know, whatever this suicide note is,
that doesn't magically make the forensics any less weird.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Agree.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
And we've had Joseph on the show talk about it before,
and he's explained it, and he has his suspicions, and
so I don't know this This note is really weird
to me. It's really weird that it's coming out now,
and I don't it doesn't change my opinion too much.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Now that I understand that, because you know, I was
really waiting for Stephanie to get back to unpack all this. Yes,
now that I understand that it's from the previous attempt,
it makes a lot more sense to me, you know,
because this is from a previous attempt and not connected
to you know, of course his fateful night. Right, this
is a previous note. So now it makes a lot

(29:29):
more sense to me. And you know this note was
tied up in this quadruple homicide's previous case. That's why
the DJ didn't even know about it. That all makes
sense to that, like a million percent. Make sure that
makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
So, although I will say it, there's a cryptic two
page chronology in the DJ records that suggest that tartagli
Own's lawyers authenticated this letter back in twenty twenty. However,
the lawyers came out and said that it was overstated
and said they never did a formal handwriting analysis, which

(30:08):
leads me to believe that the DOJ is pointing suggestively
that this is a little more authenticated than it is.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
To mention, is the quadruple murderer? Is he getting something
out of this? You know, like again, like, hey, surprising, Yeah,
of course, yeah. Is it possible that there's some connective
tissue to his stay behind bars and participation? Suddenly you
know again? Yes, this was on a podcast a month ago,

(30:38):
you said, or a year ago. Rather, I don't know.
I feel like this just feels so confusing to me.
And once in a I don't know, every like three
or four days, I get enraged and wonder why is
Gilain Maxwell not answering questions right now? Why is she
in the minimal security place? Like, make that make sense
to me? Please, somebody understand, help me, help me understand.

(31:01):
So I know that's an unanswerable question, but it still
enrages me.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
A follow up, welcome back pressy if you will, is
that the judge overseeing this has given the parties only
one week to propose any redactions for the other court
documents relating to this note, so we may have more
information in one week.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I think should be the word of the year. We're
gonna definitely get that.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
By the way, you guys are wearing the most beautiful
scarves in your hair, both of you. Has this been coordinated?
Is this like a thing that you guys never aspiring
against you?

Speaker 9 (31:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I was like, I didn't get the I gotta go
get one immediately. No, it looks really beautiful, No, both
of you.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
The reason it was, I told ah, this, this is
me dressing up for your return, even though I'm at
a speciort otherwise.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
So that's why it's so beautiful. We didn't have berets,
so I was.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Like, this is so cute. Forgive me for not noticing
this immediately. So yes, so glad to be back. You
know what, Let's go to a talk.

Speaker 10 (32:05):
All right, Hello everybody, This is Elizabeth from Washington State.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Again.

Speaker 10 (32:10):
Two things. Number one, does Sam talk?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
And also I was just.

Speaker 10 (32:17):
Listening about this woman who's breastfeeding her three year old.
More disturbing than anything to me is that they would
let her go home to take care of children after
being accused of killing children, her own children. Like, what
is happening?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
All right, she's my soul sister, Elizabeth Washington is doing
I swear I do talk often. We don't tell. We
just put him on mute the entire time. He's just
chatting away the entire show. No, he does talk, And specifically,
come on, Sam, give it something, you know, But just

(32:56):
here a little bit about Azzy Osbourne, our beloved, May
he rest in peace exactly. Sam does talk.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
He's a great he is kind of shy, he is
a little he's a little silent because he's he's got
a lot to say, but he's a little shy.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think, yeah, yeah, that is true. My social life
is even worse. Oh, by the way, don't forget we
keep burying the lead that Sam and Adam are both
tremendous musicians. So it's just, you know, I don't know
how many times we got to discuss this. We need
the true crime tonight, active band going on, and you

(33:32):
guys can be jamming in the control room, and I
think that would be a real moodsetter. No where it's required, Sam,
I'm down, But Elizabeth, back to what you said. Sorry, Sorry,
we got digressed.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yes, Sam does talk.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Number one. Love it when he does.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't think I've ever, you know, heard of anything
more stranger. And I one million percent agree with you.
This woman, she's fifty three, she's from North Carolina. Her
name is Gundrin Casper line and google line and Google
line and Google. She's facing two counts of first s
agree murder and two counts of attempted murder after prosecutors

(34:12):
say that she poisoned her family members with wine laced
with acid tone neutral, which is a chemical that metabolizes
into cyanide once it's inside your body. And they're alleging
that the poisoning happening during a Thanksgiving dinner in twenty
twenty five. Now her victims were her children.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah right, yeah, shocking.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
And she is saying she has to be let out
of jail because she has to breastfeeds. She's fifty three
years old. I am fifty three years old.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
She's fifty three.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Years old, and she wants to feed her baby. Her
she wants to breastfeed her three year old, three.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Year old baby, yes.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Three year old. Okay, let's discuss. Let's stop. Let me
tell you something A hard pause.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Okay, let me tell you something ain't happening. This is
the silliest thing I've ever seen in my life. It's
insanity to me.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, that's insanity. By the way, Elizabeth Great talk back
at number one. Yes, Sam talks and number two does
seem insane in the memory, it's crazy possible.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
Well, which I break it down.

Speaker 11 (35:17):
Are we talking her age being insane or the three
year old being bread.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
No age is totally great. God bless you to Yeah,
God bless her.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Right she had a baby at forty nine or forty fifty,
I guess right, good from her. Yes, not necessarily the
age thing. It's the combin nation. It's the totality of
it all. Number One, she has the audacity to think
that she's going to be released from jail while she's
pending trial so that she can breastfeed one of her
children when she's accused of poisoning to her other kids.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Agreeable, it's the totality. It's just absurd breastfeeding. I think
when there's if it.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Was a newborn, I would be like, Okay, I understand.
Be mother's milk is so important for development. It's got
all those vitamins and antibiotics and you know whatever, antibodies
not antibiotics, Oh my gosh, you know it's not really
important things for babies. This is a three year old
who should be eating bananas.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Right, yeah, we avocados.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
We're already squashed at that point.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And like, yeah, like what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
That is? I don't even know what to say. I
don't and I don't know. I'm not shaming anyone who
is who at three years old seems late to me.
I don't know, Mom has jumped in here. If that's
not the case. If there is, if you can stand
and you full grill, I don't know. Yeah, like we

(36:44):
brought up.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Do you remember that my Ambi Alic was huge in
the news about this.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I do, and I kind of I think I block
it out.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I understand why. But yeah, there was a picture of her.
She's on the subway and her three year old. She
had all three year old.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
It was a big it was a big three.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Big three year old anyway, So there it's different schools
of thought, right.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Different schools, different strokes for different May she listen whatever?
That is a big commitment, and who the heck am
I to say? Meeting is a really important thing. But
you don't have to if you can't, it's okay to moms.
You know, formula works also, it's fine. I don't know.
This is a complicated one. It gives me the giggles.
I'm like, not even mature of in a subway.

Speaker 11 (37:29):
But we also pointed out she she has European back.
She might have European background, where it's more common to
breastfeed at a later culture, so it could be a
bit of a cultural thing. So there's other sides to it.
We're being very careful about how we're talking about it
because there are people out there who disagree and may agree.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
So we see both.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Sides at parenting. But honestly, I fight the logistics. So
on top of yeah, don't you know she is alleged
to have tried to kill two for other daughters who
could drink wine that she needed to be out. But
also the rationale doesn't make sense, the lawyer said, because

(38:10):
at the time of her arrest she needs to go
home and take care of her two kids, ages three
and eight, because at the time of her arrest she
was nursing the three year old. Well guess what she's nursing.
No one now like that's an impossibility. So they're bringing
up as like a sympathy vote to the to the church.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
You can't. You can't just like sometimes breastfeed and then
not do it for a bit and then come back
to it. You know that, That's what I'm saying. The
milk dries up, remember the cabbage you have to put
on your boobs to make the milk dry up. Oh,
the ice packs, it's all there.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
I don't know any of this part, but maybe.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Crazy be Let's go to let's we can talk about murder,
but we'd start heading into the breastfeeding category. We all
lose our minds. Let's go to another.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Talk back Patriotime tonight.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Crew.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
It's just from South Florida. I just wanted to give
a shout out to all my fellow nurse listeners. It's
Nurses Week, and I'm sure we all listen because we
all kind of do deep dives and investigations every day
or as nurses. So I just wanted to give a
shout out love to everybody. Thanks so much, love you guys, buddy.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I love nurses.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I went to the doctor today, Okay, I spent a
significant amount of time with the nurse practitioner and only
like a few minutes with the doctor. Nurses do everything everything,
They do everything. Now, I mean without nurses, I mean
I think I think the half the population would probably
not be around. And I'm not even so true. They

(39:51):
are incredible, incredible people.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
Ye do everything.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I mean they did, like my whole procedure almost it
was amazing.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
They are incredible people. Think about it when we were
in the COVID phase too, were putting their lives still
a line as they do every day without any ppe
what was it called again with any of the masks. Yeah,
when we were we were making masks out of bandanas.
Oh my god. We haven't talked about this hantavirus. If
you guys covered that. I don't want to digress, but

(40:24):
just to put a pin in shout out to all
the nurses. Yeah, make the world go round quite.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Literally, quite so happy nurses. We keep literally heroes happy
Nurses week because right, I love it.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Ye virus, how about that virus.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
Let's talk about that for a minute.

Speaker 11 (40:44):
And then because I want to set the stage of
this next talkback because it's something that Steph wasn't here
for and it was a big conversation a lot of
people wrote sent talkbacks about. But we talked about the
virus for a second because you know, we were talking
about it just a little bit before. So Steph, I
know you've been foughtollowing it. So you mentioned some details.
Walk us through what you know so far.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well, look, it's just evolving right so, and I'm just
going to paraphrase here. This is just top of head
from what I've been following throughout the day, and it
does seem to be evolving really hour to hour. Even
my mom is here with me in the studio. Hi, Mom,
And we've been kind of monitoring it so closely, you know,
because we all have those flashbacks to yesteryear. But look,

(41:25):
this was a very fancy cruise that seems to have
some origins initiating in Argentina, in the very outskirts of Patagonia,
and it was really for enthusiasts of nature. It seems expensive,
like twenty k a pop, right, so imagine twenty thousand
dollars you're really looking to do excursions, and apparently like

(41:46):
bird searching and looking was a big thing. And at
some point the couple who has now lost their lives
to this terrible virus, they allegedly and again this is
like people are piecing this together still, so I'm sure
these details will change had apparently been bird watching and

(42:06):
perhaps we're doing so from a landfill or on a landfill,
and you know, remember this is spread typically through rat feces,
as close as that sounds. And we'll talk about this
at a different day, but that kind of harkens back
to our beloved Gene Hackman and his wife, who you
know were founded in their home probably close to a

(42:28):
year ago now anyway, So typically it's not really transferred
from human to human. And we know that a husband
on this boat contracted it and then his wife also died,
So it did in fact transfer from this strahuman strain. Yes,
And now that particular strain has in fact been identified,

(42:51):
and you know, these people are still at sea seventeen
of from our US citizens, and you know, imagine being
trapped on this forcocked boat now knowing that it's you
know a little a little contaminated and compromised, and tomorrow
with sets port in the Canary Island. That's right.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
And I was watching your your favorite er in Parnas
last night and he had made a video and he said.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
That there's two of the boat passengers.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
That have now they're in Georgia and they're like self isolating.
And the comments on this video they were like the
Georgia that I'm in right now, the Georgia in the
United States. Yeah, like the Georgia.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So that's how things spread. And yeah, I think worth
noting on both sides, you know, not to be an
alarmist here. We all get flashbacks and probably panic when
we think about COVID days, right, and the isolation that
came from that. I think we're all still experiencing, and
certainly a generation of young people. I think it's really
affected the true crime community as well. Is sort of sad.

(43:59):
Isolation has maybe been a factor. But I step aside.
It's you know, it's not rapidly spreading, but you know,
words like, you know, we're tracing everybody who certain people
have come in contact with, and apparently a stewardess on
the KLM airline who was a stewardess with one of

(44:21):
the sick patients has also now contracted symptoms and although
they're very mild, they're isolating and look, it has like
a seven to nine week incubation period. Just before we
came on air, I had seen or my mom had
pointed out also that President Trump has now officially made
a statement regarding the hantavirus. And I'm paraphrasing, but it

(44:43):
was something like, you know, hopefully it'll all be fine.
So it's it's not fake, I mean in terms of well,
maybe it is fake. I hope it is. You know,
it's being really discussed at a very top level, and
it just requires It's apparently twenty people were released from
the boat at some point, so those twenty people have
now gone to you know, many places, and those many places,

(45:06):
one person spreads to another person, and here we are. Listen, everybody,
just wear your mask if you're on a plane. I
think we we can probably do some old school habits
that I would recommend, not that I'm a doctor, can
do what you want to do. Do we know how
it spreads? Does it spread through like it's very hard
to get It's not as easily spread. I mean, listen,

(45:28):
the mortality rate they're saying is forty percent, right, so
there's a pretty staggering numbers. Forty percent is not great.
But it's not airborne. Again, I am catching this. This
is just what I've seen on the news. So forgive me,
and anybody who has more current or smarter scientific information
please call us. I don't think it's allegedly spreading so quickly.

(45:51):
Remember at the time COVID, you know, you would just
like were in the air. Apparently it was.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
You know, it's spread so quick So this and I
mean this is just a very quick search. It's really
you need to be unless things have evolved as things
are wont to do. But you have to breathe in
virus particles from urine droppings or the saliva of an
infected wild rotent. So it's not even just droppings, the

(46:22):
animal itself has to be infected jumps.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, that was initially, that was the initial diagnosis and
that is totally true, Court. But now this other strain
of it, which is like the anti strain or something,
is in fact person to person and we see that
now because of the stewardess on the airplane and people
who are on the ship are obviously, you know, really

(46:47):
in harm's way. So send some prayers. What a scary thing.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
And keep it here because at the top of the
hour we're going to get into the Blake Lively and
Justin Baldoni feud. It appears as it ended with them,
and don't forget give us a call. We're at eight
to eight, three to one Crime True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight an iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here as
always with my favorite ladies, Courtney Armstrong and Body move
in Taha, Sam and Adam are in the control room.
Listen if you want to join us live, we'd love
to hear from you. Eight at eight three to one. Crime.
In fact, given that it is nurse's month, is it

(47:40):
nurses month or week?

Speaker 11 (47:41):
Let's call it month, regard nurse's week, but we should
call it we should just.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
Do the whole desert.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yes, so happy nurses month. But we have all the
nurses listening. You will know and can maybe have some
inside scoop as things evolve in this hantavirus, because look,
it's a big scary story. It's a scary story. It's
taken up news feed. I'm seeing it on all the channels,
some more than others. Is it a big deal? Who knows?

(48:06):
It seems like it's under control. There is no need
to panic, you know, we've all we're all so wise
these days, so follow your best instincts and listen. There
are viruses everywhere, and people die of many, many viruses,
and we just happened to be talking about this particular one.
And in the big scheme of things, the numbers are

(48:27):
very small, and it appears that you know, they're doing
contact tracing and therefore things should be under control. But
just something for us all to be aware of, since
it does appear to be just evolving a little bit
by the moment. Or maybe that's just a big, loud,
scary story that's meant to petrify us. I don't know

(48:47):
the answer, but we're just unpacking Courtney's hanging into Courtney's
looking into her eye. Her little eyebrow is up because
she's knee deep and she's looking into the MADERNA question mark,
I guess, which is something that's being covered in Newsweek
right now.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Yes, although I was hoping we could actually unpack Blake
and Justin Blake lovely do it?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
So the legal battle between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni,
it reached a settlement on Monday, and that was only
two weeks in advance of their scheduled trial date. So
people see it both ways. The agreement marks a major
milestone in this hole It Ends with Us saga. These

(49:36):
the two parties both acted in the movie, and the
dispute began when the production of the film It Ends
with Us. Justin Baldoni directed it, Blake Lively accident, and
Blake Lively alleged she suffered hundreds of millions of damages
after being betrayed as a bully online. Meanwhile, Justin Baldoni

(49:59):
claimed that Lake Lively tried to seize control of the film,
but now they've kind of they made a joint announcement
and said that it will be settled. Did you guys
think this day would come?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yes? No, I knew this day would come. This one's
been really gross to me. I find this one that
pops on so many different Hollywood houses, and I'm glad
we're talking about it because it's opened my eyes up
to a lot of different topics. I am somebody who
just you know, the lights, camera action of Hollywood and
movies and television shows. I eat it up. So it

(50:35):
always kind of breaks my heart when I sort of
see the underbelly of it being a little less glitzy,
or when we're covering cases like this where you're like,
oh wow, that's that's pretty dark. Well, you know this
was one of those cases. Is this an example of
you know, Blake Lively, as she claims, was sexually harassed
on set, and she spoke out, which is what we're

(50:57):
supposed to do these days, right, everybody should speak out,
male or female if they're being certainly sexually harassed in
the workplace terrible and in doing so, you know, is
it true that Wayfairer, who is the money behind Justin Baldoni,
who was directing and had also secured the IP for

(51:18):
this movie. Wayfairer then maybe jumped in to get ahead
of it, hiring this really scary PR smear person or
team to start putting out instagrams of or just in
general social media posts of Blake Lively in the most
unlikable ways. By the way, and I watched Lovely, Yeah,

(51:41):
me too, and I love Blake.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
I was I don't like her, I'm aston I don't
like her, but I definitely side with her in terms
of like her. If she was sexually you know, harassed,
she deserves to be heard a hunter. I had one
million percent. I'm gonna tell you I fell for the
PR campaign, Like I'm I'm a good example of how

(52:05):
it worked, right, because I find her insufferable, right, But
that's I was stuck into Courtney, I think offline actually,
and I was telling her about all the compilations.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I had watched.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Well, those were all apparently all created by this smear
campaign of her on you know.

Speaker 9 (52:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Conan O'Brien and you know, you.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Know, all these different talk shows that she was and
I was like, oh, she's so annoying, but she was.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
But it was also what she said, you know, all
of suddenly these clips were appearing, So it wasn't like
there were fake clips. It was her from contact appearances, right,
and the context was lacking. It was also listen, this
is a show about this movie that at its core
was about domestic violence. So while on the press tour,

(52:52):
Blake Lively was also pushing some products, and you know,
some people felt like that was a bit distasteful. Yeah knows.
You know, sexual harassment and speaking up, that's you know,
number one, a number one. However, if the sexual harassment
claim is exaggerated or fabricated, because the idea is, hey

(53:16):
if I by the way, this is just an allegation
from Justin Baldoni. This is the other side of it.
This is not my personal opinion, but let's think about
it for a second. Justin Baldoni is saying, hey, look,
I owned the IP, meaning I owned the book rights
to this film. That was a very beloved book series.
It ends with us and there's multiple series in this

(53:37):
book series. So there's more movies to come, right, and
that we now know Blake Lively was inserting herself as
a producer in a very meaningful way, where she was
deciding that the wardrobe was going to be handled by her,
and that she was going to have the music handled
by her best buddy Taylor Swift, and that she was
going to personally be doing rewrites. Rewrites of a script

(53:57):
is a very big deal. There's a writer's guild. It's
a big honor to be writing on things. Typically, you know,
nobody really wants to rewrites from every actor whose job
is to really act what's written. Right. That's a complicated thing.
But I digress. Maybe she thought the script was you know, junk.
There was an infamous story that she was at her house.

(54:19):
You know, justin Veldomi is a small fish, right, he
has a lot of money behind him, but he himself
is this is the big moment. He's going to direct
and star in a movie. He wrote it, and he
has the ip. This is it. Guy has everything on
the line. And by the way, he was a host
of a feminist podcast about like women, you know, and
he's like the yoga guy. You know, he's like with

(54:40):
the bottom his head about which some people are turned
off by. But he goes there's this infamous meeting at
Blake Lively's house, who, of course she's married to Ryan
Redtle's America's Biggest Sweetheart movie star, and in walks Taylor Swift,
and they basically say that they agree that Blake's version

(55:00):
of the new script is better or how she's written things,
and he felt very bullied and like, oh my god,
this one's taken the keys and I'm trying to be
cool and like make best buds with my movie star,
and this is going sideways quick. You know, She's taking
the keys and running with it and kicking me out
of the club. And if she calls foul ball on
sexual harassment, I'm going to get kicked out of the club.

(55:21):
And then they're going to take over the IP because
contractually they can't take the rights, meaning she and her
husband can't take the rights over unless there's a real
good reason for it. He would claim, was this sexual
harassment allegation that was really made up or fabricated or
taken out of context to move that ball forward? And

(55:44):
if that's the case, shame, shame, shame on Blake Lively.
Because that makes it really hard on anybody else who's
suffering so harassment if that's not the case, right, And
it's important that the judge.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
The judge previously dismissed ten of Lively's thirteen original claims,
but that includes all of the allegations of sexual harassment
and reformation.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And then she kind of switched her tune too, where
she was like, oh, well, it's really about being bullied
online and how hard it is to be bullied online.
And I'm like, well, that's a very big difference in
sexual harassment. Correct, These are very big words. We talk
about so many dark and hard things here, and it's
so tough for victims to come forward, male or female
in any scenario, let alone the workplace when you think

(56:30):
your job is going to get taken or you're going
to lose everything. So for that to be kind of,
you know, messy, I think is a real disservice to
women and men who are victimized and kind of is
a bit of a setback if that's the case. And
I think that's something that everybody needs to tread lightly
on And I think we just got to look at it.

(56:52):
We don't know the truth of it. Only these two
crazy kids know what happened. Speaking of breastfeeding, that was
a big topic that to go back for the Cabbage
of boobs, but that was a big thing. Is that
you know, she was breastfeeding one day and then he
came in. But then there was a text that said, oh,
I'm breastfeeding, come on in. But then I think Courtney Armstrong,
you made the point that just because she said come

(57:13):
on in one day doesn't mean that she always meant, Hey,
pop on in, I'm breastfeeding. You know. So these are
really nuanced things, and it seems like it just got
real messy and expensive and maybe bigger. The pr thing.
What a mess Who knew that was even a thing
that you paid people to make instagrams and trick talk
TikTok videos about what junk you are and True were

(57:37):
otherwise are taking things out of context. That's a bummer.
And by the way, even there are legal documents. All
of their texts were being taken out of context and
that was kind of gross. And you know, a victory
really for nobody. True, yeah, absolutely a victory for nobody.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
And yet both sides are kind of both parading as
if and there are on both sides. Blake Lively's team
calls it a resounding victory, and her attorneys are arguing
that by getting the defendants to admit her concerns quote
deserve to be heard, that that alone it has ended

(58:15):
what they call the fiction that she fabricated her claims. Okay,
Also team blake Lively, they have kept the door open
for what could be a massive financial penalty against Baldoni.
So Maldoni saying they have victory is the first thing.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I mentioned.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
That the judge dismissed all of the sexual harassment claims
and others, and that the three remaining Lively chose to
settle the final three claims rather than taking them to trial.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
So that's what they're calling a win. And remember they
had the premiere of this film, and Blake Lively made
Justin Baldoni, who was the director and the star of
the movie alongside of her. He wasn't allowed to attend
the red carpet of his own movie and he had
to watch that a basement and he was in the
basement with his entire family. Like, how humiliating is that?

(59:16):
So there was It does appear in its nose, which
is where I also get a little heartbroken a for
you know, women to kind of stand on, you know,
things that you know we all fight against. And you know,
if that was a little bit on a curve according
to the judge, those harassment charges were not so accurate.

(59:36):
That doesn't help anybody. So that bums me out if
in fact true. And then secondarily, you know, you have
big shots stars, right that are you know, calling the shots.
And just because you're a big time star doesn't mean
you get to call the shots if you're not the
director and the writer and the executive producer. And I
loved Ryan Reynolds and I love Blake Lively, and I
don't know, it has left a Now I feel a

(59:58):
little bit yucked by that. And again that's just perception, right.
I don't know them, but I've watched them in everything,
and now I'm kind of a little de yung juryam right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, Well, there isn't a there is an exception to
all the settlement though, So when somebody says settlement, I
feel like it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
But it's not. This is not over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
So Blake Lively, she's still pursuing a motion that she
has pending for legal fees and damages against Justin Baldoni. Yeah,
so there's still a pending motion that's not included in
this settlement agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
No, what else kind of bothered me to and then
I'm going to put it to bed. But also Ryan Reynolds,
who again I watch him in anything, and in fact,
I say, I was always like, what God is? He seemed
like the greatest guy in the world. And what a
beautiful family, they have four kids. This is you know,
dream come true. And you know he was in the Deadpool, right,
the infamously the movie Deadpool, and had apparently created that

(01:00:57):
a character called nice Pool where Blake Lively was missus
Pool and there was a character called nice Pool which
was like a character with aman Bun who was like
overtly like a feminist and it was basically based on him.
And in the movie they kill him and they overkill him,
and it's like this was so steeped in like a

(01:01:19):
revenge fest that well before these allegations, they were making
fun of him in a movie to belittle him and
to just show kind of, oh you think that's funny,
Like here's even more powerful. We're gonna humiliate you further.
And that felt a little mean girly or mean boy
e whatever that is. That just didn't feel quite right.

(01:01:40):
And if you go back and watch it and you
see the nice Pool character, it's pretty on the nose
and seems, you know, so ridiculously intentional and petty that
it's like the petty that I'm just like, come on,
you guys are so wealthy and influential and beautiful and
you just had four I'm gonna I'm gonna cough it

(01:02:01):
up and say that maybe Blake had just had a
baby and it was too soon to go back to
work and you know, it was a lot going on
at the same time. And let it in mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Well she's seeking triple damages. Yeah, in motion, let it
stop Blake. Well, she wants him to pay all of
her legal fees. She wants him to fail her legal fees.
And that's the that's the punch times three, triple damages.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, and then she goes straight to the mecala by herself.
She did look beautiful, and I give her credit for
just you know, showing up and you know, shoulders back
and chin up and all the things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Well, the matter could be decided by the judge within
a couple of weeks, so we should know very quickly.
Coming up next the emotional toll of school shooter drills,
plus disturbing new details in the murder case against singer
David Burke.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Keep it right here, true Crying tonight. I'm gonna start
singing it. Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio.
We're talking true crime all the time. I'm Steph here
with Courtney and body. I'm so happy to be back.

(01:03:14):
So much has happened since I was gone. And listen,
this school shooter thing is it's a real problem, as
we all can agree, right this is the uptick has
been astounding. And then Courtney had identified kind of this
protocol that's happening to prevent school shootings and who wants

(01:03:36):
to do this?

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
Set up?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Court do you want to fill us in a little
bit here? Sure? So this all started.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
There was an analysis by CNN and the United States
already has experienced at the very least twenty four school
shootings this year, and that says of April twenty fourth,
so that's more than one per week. So there we
lie in twenty twenty six, more than one school shooting
on average per week at school.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, period, Stop let's like take that night. I mean,
how terrifying for this young generation to have this. And
this is not a hurricane, this is not a tornado,
this is active shooters. I mean, it's unbelievable. We didn't
have to really deal with this when we were coming up,
at least I didn't anecdotically. No. No.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
And so there have been reports from research organizations like
RAND and every Town for Gun Safety, and they've done
a really good job putting together a comprehensive look at
the current state of active shooter drills. And these are
the drills that help for preparedness in the event of

(01:04:45):
a school shooter. And it's used from K through twelve.
In I don't have it in front of me, but
I think it's more than ninety percent of schools. And
you know, these school shootings, they instea profound fear and
it has you know, it's it's nearly universal, these active

(01:05:05):
shooter jills. I mean, what do you think that children
have to contend with this and have had to for
a while now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Oh, I can speak for myself. I think it has
to be talked about, unfortunately, and there does have to
be a protocol because again, think of the panic in
the moment of something so scary, you know, as in
all scary things, having a script and kind of knowing
what the first immediate thing to do in a moment
of panic is really important, right, And I think silence

(01:05:39):
and chaos, you know, are very far apart in these
types of scenarios. And you know, for young people especially,
it's really scary, right, So for anybody obviously, but you're
dealing with a lot of kids and for teachers to
be able to control, you know, group panic, and you
know you're imagining or at least I am, you know,

(01:06:00):
boarding the door and putting up all the furniture against
the door, and ducking and shutting all the windows and
being quiet. I mean, all of these things are just
absolutely horrifying. Yet the other side of that I would
have to assume, as for kids who are playing out
these scenarios in their head, A isn't normalizing it and
B is it just you know, enlisting fear in our kids.

(01:06:22):
I think we talked about this maybe ninety times, and
I'm surprised by it every single time that getting backpacks
with bulletproof inserts is a real thing. And the last
I had checked in on it because this was happening personally.
There's school that at one point my son attended, was
having a lot of these active shooter calls, you know,

(01:06:45):
so they were thankfully nothing, but at the time I
remember saying even maybe even on the show at some point,
like people are suggesting bulletproof backpacks and I looked into
it and they were all sold out nationally, right, So
like here we are, what's the answer. I don't know
what the answer is here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
I don't know well, but I tend to agree with
you on everything that you said.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Yeah, yeah, And so there are areas of alignment that
are like best practices set by different organizations and age appropriateness.
So most schools do tail are by age. So almost
all students starting in kinder they're taught to lock doors
and say silent. And it's not until you get sort

(01:07:28):
of into middle and high school are you then further
instructed by one thing. Is often it's a run, hide, fight,
and it's it's different tactics that you can use.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
I love the whole fight part. I don't know if
that's the the what do we teaching our kids to like?
Fight the attacker? Is also what a scary similar, I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Think is like the thing, right, and it is, you know,
it's it's purported as an absolute last, absolute last resort.
And yes, so your laptop that everyone has, you can
throw that. And also yeah, very few of these, very

(01:08:15):
few of these drills involve anything scary. I mean I
was appalled that some of them might have used fake
blood and people in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Masks and the sounds of gunfire too, and sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Yes, So this is where you lose me because I
think now we're, you know, entering scary movie phase, right,
so we don't want to traumatize. It's like we can
talk about what to do or what happens at war
without reenacting it. It's also one layer too far, my
humble opinion, open to being wrong. I just my gut reaction.
You know, I had a friend. I think we talked
about this here too. I have a friend who loves

(01:08:49):
somebody very much. I'm going to leave all of them nameless,
but a person that I love very much. She was
in had a long relationship with a man who was
a survivor of Columbine. He was one of the students
who had to play dead while the killers walked by.
And imagine you have carnage around you. Your class mates

(01:09:13):
are being killed, there's footsteps coming right by your body.
And then this particular case, they played dead and survived,
and you know, from there immediately trauma ensues, and you know,
this was obviously a bit of go and medications get involved,
and then in this case, in his particular case, medication
led to addiction, and then he in fact became a

(01:09:35):
pundit about school shooters and sort of the activity of
preparedness and you know, keeping the conversations open, which are
important ones, you know, like stranger danger and things that
we talk about all the time on this show without
straight up traumatizing your kids too, because the anticipation is scary.
And also the normalcy is that maybe get more normal

(01:09:58):
to be like in active shooter land. I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Listen, if you're just joining us, this is True Crime Tonight,
and we're talking about school shooter drills and their pervasiveness
in this country, and also we're going to get into
some of the mental impacts that seem to follow these drills.
We'd love to hear your thoughts on this complicated issue.
We're at eighty eight to three to one crime and

(01:10:26):
right now, we have a talkback by producer Ava, which
right is producer Ava.

Speaker 12 (01:10:33):
And I'm depending on this talkback because as I'm researching
these active shooter drills, I'm actually surprising myself that I'm
having a reaction that's completely contradictory with the reports that
I'm reading, and I wanted to share this perspective. I
grew up doing active shooter drills starting in sixth grade.
The reports that I'm reading are saying that overall they're

(01:10:54):
not great for mental health. They don't necessarily have any
proven positive ors. But I remember feeling as a middle
schooler and as a high schooler really frustrated with the
way that the active shooter drills were being taught to us.
I'm sure this has changed a little bit, but we
were told like, oh, it's on an active shooter drill,
it's a lockdown drill, and it could be for any

(01:11:16):
reason that there's campus danger, and we're just going to
close the doors and sit quietly. And I felt really
frustrated that I was kind of being talked down to.
Almost students in America are entitled to that information and
entitled to that training. Maybe a good way of doing
it is you can kind of opt in to the

(01:11:37):
lockdown drills or the school shooter training. Okay, thank you.
Interested to hear what you hear.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
To think, it's so interesting, it's so great to have
different perspectives for the win. You know, she's she's closer
in age too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
She is, she's she's much younger than all of us, right,
And the perspective is that the kids should should have
these drills. I'm guessing that her perspective, and they also
should be told what's going on, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Don't your kids with kid gloves so much?

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Be it give them some autonomy with.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
This, I guess.

Speaker 11 (01:12:10):
And we're saying I'm trying to the opposite, and I
don't know, yah, none of us really do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Like I'm new to the area where there are tornadoes,
for example, so it's a new thing for me personally.
I've never experienced. You know that what is very scary
when there's tornadoes lingering around right and by the way,
so many of that happening right now. If you're suffering
or struggling anywhere right now, who's being affected by the
insane storms, please know we are so rooting and all

(01:12:41):
of the above. It's so scary so you know, I've
now identified what you do and where you go and
make sure I have the belongings already there. So in
the moment when an alarm goes off that there's a tornado,
the panic for me as a mom doesn't kick in.
Which I got to tell you there was one night
we were on the show, even or it was real scary,

(01:13:01):
I had the moment of like what do we do?
What do we do?

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
What do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
And it ended up being a non issue. But you know,
now we talk through it and as a family like
what goes? What's the rules here? Kids? And for myself
and I'm an adult because you know, it's you get
emotionally justsregulated.

Speaker 6 (01:13:16):
So I think that's a really.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Good point, Ava, that maybe we by the way, I
always thought it was kid gloves. Is it kid gloves?
That makes more sense? Yeah? OK, I d I've been saying,
k I T have you what kind of kid my
entire I don't know. I don't have no idea why
a kid and why it has gloves? I don't know.

(01:13:37):
Kid gloves totally makes more sense. I'm glad you've corrected
that after one hundred years of me saying it incorrectly,
but you're right. Sometimes I think we, you know, we
under underestimate how wise are next generation and our kids are,
and maybe they do just need to know the pure,
just the facts, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
And I yeah, I was just going to say, I'm
I am a big proponent that knowledge, like the example
you just gave about tornadoes, that practical.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Knowledge is power.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
I mean, I don't know, you know, it's even you know,
if a fire happens, what asking from a very very
young age, what do you do? Run out the door?
Do you stop and get this? I run out the door?

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
And because it's just okay, there's a thing that happened.
You know, when it happens things, don't you think it's
just remember stop dropping roll.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
I don't even know if that I stiller if they
still stop dropping rolling from well, for.

Speaker 11 (01:14:42):
The fire, fire you caught on fire, you stop dropping fire,
any kind of anything that could happen. But I mean
I compare it to like on a flight, like you know,
hopefully there's no emergency, but I want to know every
step and what I should do should there be an emergency,
so at least I have the preparation that if the

(01:15:04):
oxygen mask calls like, what should I be doing? So
I think it's in that same realm that like children
are in a classroom, So you do need to be
prepared in some way, shape or form. I was going
to go back to the sound effects that you were
talking about, the gunshots and sounds, because we have talked
about cases where people say, you know, it's mayhem. You
don't even realize how loud and how crazy and wild.

(01:15:26):
Now everything is out of control. So maybe those little
steps do help in some way, shape or form to
prepare you, so you can kind of mentally be prepared.

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
But who knows. I don't have a child to talk
with me to guests.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
We should do a review as an in general too.
You know, I'm reminded right now and I part just
once to rip out of its chest when I think
of Pulse Nightclub. You know, the tragedy in Pulse Nightclub,
if you guys will remember that was you know, I think,
you know, one of the largest crimes in Ohio's history,
where so many were in this nightclub having the time

(01:16:01):
of their lives. And yeah, I think so Florida. It
was in Florida. Oh forget me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
I know why you're go ahead, But it was in
twenty sixteen, and it was a huge.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, and you know that the mayhem. I just remember
when we were sort of you know, reviewing it at
the time, and you know we had done a deep dive.
This is so long ago, you know, just picturing people
like huddled in the bathroom, ford alls, and what do
you do in those scenarios, you know, when panic sets in,
and you know, I think we all need to unfortunately

(01:16:33):
maybe have a refresher course.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Not even sure that I have the right. I know,
steak calm, I think is always the answer in any
terrible situation. But yeah's it's a tough one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
So I just wanted to get a little bit more
information because this is what surprised me. So what these
research institutes found, and they did this utilizing they called
big data to analyze social media conversations ninety days before
and ninety days after drills.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And I did this for over one hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Schools, and there were sharp declines in overall community well being.
So anxiety and stress increased forty two percent, and high
school communities saw anxiety spike up fifty two percent, depression
up for middle schoolers and frequent mentions of blood and

(01:17:31):
pain and pills and this where again all spikes after.
So I just say that because I had no knowledge
that that was the case, but I certainly believe it.
And lastly, the recommendations for reform for these institutes are
to shift away from the high intensity quote realistic drills

(01:17:53):
we referred to, which again I think art less than
half not as common, and have they can do staff
only training is what one train suggestions, train the teachers
what to do, and then also give the students and

(01:18:13):
parents heads up. Yeah, like that's that's a big thing,
and that doesn't happen very often.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
It's a surprise drill. Yeah, a lot more often than not.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Try also, well, and that's why they're recommending that people
shouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
So you agree with the research A fake that's a
terrible idea.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
Yeah, So listen, stick around. We've got talkbacks and lots
of your reactions, and we want to hear all of
your thoughts. Keep it here a true Crime Tonight, we're
talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We've been
talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here
with Courtney Armstrong and Body movin and we were just
talking about these active shooter drills happening at schools and
during the break we were you know, it was spilling over.
We were not dancing, but rather talking about this, and Body,

(01:19:20):
you made such a good point. I think it's worth repeating.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Well, I mean, I don't know, I'm sure this is
something that they've thought of, but how much are they
training a potential school shooter in these drills?

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
So if if in these drills that are surprises, a
potential shooter learns through maybe two drills that they go through,
what the teachers do, what their movements are, where they hide,
how they get there, does that potentially train an active
a potential active shooter. Maybe they don't have those feelings

(01:19:55):
right now, but maybe they have those feelings that they
want to shoot up a school in three or four years.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
They get and they remember, oh, yeah, this is what
they do in that class, right, this is the protocol
and this I just wonder if these their vulnerabilities or
things that I have to be reminded.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Of, Like do they have do they have several different
plans and and it's randomized like, Hey, in this drill,
we're going to do Plan A, and then in four
weeks we're going to do Plan B, and then plan cease.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Does it keep changing? These are just I think I
would doubt it because you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
In a moment of panic, you're not going to want
to remember if it's stay A or B. So I
could be wrong on that. No, you might just not
going to But when you said that, when bodies said that,
we literally jumped that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
And because because I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Sure they've thought of that though in likelihood, yeah, I'm
sure they have. Because in likelihood it is someone who
at some point has been a student.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Right, because it could be it could be you know
that they're doing these in second grade, but that you know,
maybe in middle school the potential shooter remembers, Oh, in
second grade, the second grade classroom does this.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
That is such an interesting point. I mean, listen, something's
obviously not working. If not, I don't know, it is
the average of some sort of school shooting. So this
is like a you know, an epidemic. At this point.
There's there's three things that I know for sure now
based on this show. School shootings. We have to get
to a resolve somewhere. Maybe that is you know, there

(01:21:30):
is a therapy in this. I don't know what the
thing is. I think somebody in our audience does, and
suggestions are all welcome, and that domestic violence and sexual abuse,
specifically sexual abuse that has not been shared. And by
the way, we'll cover this a different day, but hats
off to the former NFL players, the male NFL players

(01:21:54):
who if you guys have just seen this. Ohio State
University there's a big lawsuit because they had a coach
on staff many years ago. This is like back in
like nineteen seventy eight, and he had been abusing hundreds
of football players, male on male sexual abuse. Now years later,

(01:22:17):
several well known, well I believe, well known NFL players
have now come out. This isn't real time. I know,
this is not on our list of things to talk about,
but we can because again hot shout out to the
courage have now come out publicly to say add their
names to this this case and have to say listen,

(01:22:37):
I haven't talked about it before, you know, because the shame,
you know, we think about why is it all the
men hate the women? You know, men are being abused
just as much too, and they're just not allowed to
talk about it. And I'm hoping that by us all
like ripping the band aid off here, you realize you're
not as alone and there is no shame you were

(01:22:57):
a victim.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
And boy, imagine you're this big, burly man football player,
and you know, these are people that other men of
all ages look up to. So the bravery and the
courage that these men are exhibiting, I am very proud
of them because they're going to have so so many chills,
head to toe, head to oh my gosh, thirty former

(01:23:21):
Ohio State football player.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Standing strong blessing to them. That's right, head to toe
chills right now. It is something that I think we're
uncovering more and more of. Right we talk so much about,
you know, the sexual abuse and the Epstein stuff, but
young boys, it is like the silence and you know
how it can chooses your sexuality for men and women,

(01:23:47):
But the shame game, you know, because of the masculinity
part that's somehow wrapped up in it. I'm obviously so man,
I'm projecting a bit, but it is so courageous and
way more common. And then I think has been discussed, right,
so it sets the stage and I think they're being
really embraced and reminded that it is one one man

(01:24:10):
who looks back to bring up another. You know, I
think we all benefit. So sorry, I dig.

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
No, thank you to mention that.

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
Yeah, I didn't know a lot about that, and I
would love to unpack it more with all of us.

Speaker 6 (01:24:22):
Yeah, thank you for that. But in the meantime, for
what we can go to another talk pack.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
I sense.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I ask you a question, would you buy that house?
No that eight women were killed in that basement?

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Someone will? I think somebody would too. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
I know I wouldn't, but I think that I think
more people wouldn't. But I think an eccentric person that's
into like dark and disturbing kind of situations would buy
it for like above the property value, like as.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Much, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I do think that there's a market for it, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
That neighbor who's like has a vacation for dark things.
The burderhouse right.

Speaker 11 (01:25:34):
Buying the land, knocking the house down and maybe rebuilding
something because it is a great to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Be That's a good idea. That's a great idea.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
But to stop the penance and I it just it
seems right. I don't know, it's it's get as a
condo in Florida and got that haircut going, let's go
like we want fresh. Let those kids have a new
beginning and some sunshine on their faces.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
I will say, as a long islander, that is a
beautiful neck of the woods and a really special place.
And what a great call though if you get the land,
isn't it and you not got that house which is
a real eyesore at this point, and you know, junkie
horrible things, and you know, plant some trees, get some

(01:26:23):
grass and some new construction. And I'm sure the neighbors
would like that as well.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
I'd love that get the change of course.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
I mean imagine you know, you you walk a dog,
you get your mail, and every time you have to
go buy your next door neighbor and know what went
on there?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Serial killer?

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Yeah right, I mean the serial killer doing that in
the house next door.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
My point that I can't wrap my head around.

Speaker 11 (01:26:49):
And she's sleeping in the basement, Like, if I'm not mistaken,
is that what I read sleeping down in that part?

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
I can't if you are remodel.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
We got a remodel on the base, so some fresh
paneling and some you know, cork ceiling.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
Give me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
She's like laying on the floor because she wants to.

Speaker 11 (01:27:13):
Well, we we've been talking a lot about this documentary
and body has been her head is nearly going to
explode every time we talk about it, like, yeah, we
have to cover this, don't talk.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
About this very quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
I'm literally going to explode this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Well, let's do it.

Speaker 11 (01:27:31):
Let's agree on Sunday we should talk about it. Let's
do it Sunday. That that way, all of our listeners
who are out there who want to weigh in and
are going to watch it, they can join and talk,
join the conversation and in case people don't know. It's
the Gilgo Beach Killer House of Secrets. It's exclusively on Peacock.
It's a three part docuseries and they I'm sorry it's

(01:27:53):
four part, but the which episode is the one that
we really want people to watch.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Episode drama recently just extraordinary. And by the way, big
congrats to Corey Abraham, who we've had on this show.
Yes we did work exec at the time. Who who
made this She was in that basement, you know, chat
with us about it. But this episode exceptional, exceptional episode.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
This episode blew my mind and I can't wait to
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I'm gonna start up right now, say to access Beyond Measure,
Beyond Measure, Rundo walk. So we're doing a super charged
true crime and chill on this Sunday fast Sunday. Now
we're talking.

Speaker 11 (01:28:38):
Let's go and we can just watch that last episode, right,
Is it okay?

Speaker 6 (01:28:41):
Or do you have to watch totally?

Speaker 9 (01:28:44):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
If you know Lisk, Actually no, you don't even have
whole thing. It's very good, but the whole thing is
really good. But the episode four, in particular, you don't
even have to know the story to understand what the
access that is given and understand how unprecedented it is
and crazy that this happened.

Speaker 11 (01:29:02):
Love it just being conscious of like busy moms and
people out there who may not have.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
To Yeah for sure. Yeah episode four is fine. Yeah,
it just want.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah speaking of busy moms.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
By the way, So on Sunday, when we are back,
it will be Mother's Day. And actually we love any
talk backs between now and then on how hopefully you
are being celebrated or are celebrating yourself or celebrating any
mother in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
So leave us to talk back we have.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Yeah, just go to the iHeartRadio app a right hand corner,
a little red microphone, click on that, and then you're
on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
So it would be fun to I love that idea. Yeah,
grab another time.

Speaker 13 (01:29:46):
Hey days, it's Mississippi. I was just calling because you
guys are talking about like every time somebody calls in,
you're like, Okay, what's your favorite? Well, I can say
that I love all you got, but I do kind
of have a favorite, and it's Stephanie because her terminally

(01:30:08):
positive attitude and happiness just warm my heart. But I
do love all you guys. I love Courtney's like very
good business, like you know, to the facts just as
it is, and body keeps things moving and adds, you know,
a lot of things to it. She has a lot
of knowledge on a lot of different things. So I

(01:30:30):
love you all, but Stephanie, you have a special place
in my heart. Y'all keep doing the thing. Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I thought you were going to say you did the cat.
I thought it was going to be out well, said
I vote for I wrote Rita, I wrote Vita for president.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
That what the what a perfect welcome home. I wish
I would have done something similar.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
But yeah, we are, we are, we are, we are
the same, and I love you guys, and that is
very sweet. And Grita a cat for a president. Wait,
I was a little cranky today, so a good times
Charlie sometimes can be a little crampy today. Ell jet
lags and you know suddenly like Slon was real the

(01:31:19):
gird or the bad? No, the good? Well, you know, honestly,
like I though, I had a couple of days that
I knew I had to work and go think. And
sometimes I don't know if you guys have ever been
in that spot. I know you have, I know everybody
in front of me has, But anyone listening, I'm sure
where you just feel like you you need to step
out of the walls to get a little perspective. You know. Sometimes,

(01:31:40):
you know, even gratitude can hit a wall, dare I say?
And I felt like I was kind of bumping into
myself a bit, and I just sort of needed to think.
And you know, like listen, we talk about so many
dark things, and I just want to always make a
double gut check that where you know, we're really finding
the dignity and stuff and the great since stuff, and

(01:32:00):
sometimes it's heavy. So I spontaneously went to Paris, which
things you never get to say, and was a little
bit lonesome. And I'm saying this for the soft launch
of it, not because I'm not soft launching a relationship.
I'm just saying that even when you're feeling a little lonesome,
sometimes magic can happen. And I actually I think, yeah,

(01:32:23):
I met somebody amazing and we'll see. Listen. I say
this like, not as a launch of a relationship. I'm
saying just the feeling of going from feeling a little
lost and lonesome, even for no good reason, just because
it's a random Tuesday, you know, everybody's like, yes, you
have talked about this French geograph. Yeah, but the wrong

(01:32:48):
little wrong state he lives in, like the wrong state,
you know, long distance. I've known him, great living.

Speaker 6 (01:32:57):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
It's like I've been so grabby today I already fail
long this is awesome. I'm so excited.

Speaker 6 (01:33:03):
I'm excited. I know this is great, really.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Staggered. Yeah, I haven't shared. It wasn't no secret, but
I was like, yeah, I'll tell you anything. I didn't
want to bore everybody, but since we have two minutes,
but I'm happy to do a deep dive anytime, feel
free to call it and ask. But this person was
also just happening. I was going anyway and was going
to wander around the city alone, and he was for
business going to be in the area, and what were

(01:33:32):
the timing and the timing was quite serendipitous and it
felt divinely guided, you know how I feel like it's
so caught up in like what's the religious people that
I deeply believe in God, and I swear there were
a few like very serendipitous things that reminded me relationship
beside person aside facelessness, but just reminded me of, Oh

(01:33:53):
my god. Sometimes it is good to step out of
your comfort zone to kind of remember how comfortable your
zone is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
You got no pressure early days.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Yeah, everyone's time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I were all in this real time. I was traveling
as a twenty four hour flight literally because of so
many drops.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
In the romantic Yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
I danced on a table, and I had escargo and
and I did have gluten free pastries. Yes, okay, so
don't cry for me, Argentina. But that's why I've been cranky.
We want this to come, kids. We'll talk to you

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Sunday