The Murdaugh "Egg Juror" Unmasked, Prince Andrew Escalation, and the Tom Selleck Scam

The viral “Egg Lady” from the Alex Murdaugh trial finally steps forward to reveal her identity, adding another layer to the ongoing jury-tampering allegations. The Jeffrey Epstein investigation explodes with major updates in the criminal probe involving former Prince Andrew, as three new alleged co-conspirators are officially named. A tragic apparent murder-suicide involving an elderly couple highlights the devastating toll of elder fraud after they were targeted by a scammer posing as actor Tom Selleck. Tune in for all the details. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney
Armstrong and Body move in and we have Ava Kaplan.
I are a producer with us this evening and Sam
and Adams standing by the phone. It's Sunday, May twenty fourth.
Happy Memorial Day weekend. Everyone, guess what? We have A
stack night of headlines. The viral quote egg Lady of

(00:43):
the Alex Murda trial reveals her identity amid jury tampering allegations,
plus major updates in the criminal investigation into former Prince
Andrew and three new alleged Epstein conspirators are identified. Plus
a tragic apparent murder suicide of an elderly couple who
were the target of a scammer opposing to be Tom

(01:05):
sell It. Remember Tom Selleck of Magnum p I. A
friend of Lynnette Hooker, the missing mom and wife in
the Bahamas, has a friend who has spoken that about
Brian's alleged unusual behavior. Ladies, did you have a good
weekend so far? I did.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It's so hot where I live. I live in Las Vegas.
It is it's like the surface of the sun. I
can't watch.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Look at me. I look like I'm naked right now. Huh,
you do look topless. It's a funny. It's a fun thing. Listen,
give those shoulders a break. It is so hot. How
hot is it?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's probably only like ninety three, but I'm very sensitive
to the heat.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
So I'm being a baby. And I'll tell you that.
In Los Angeles. There's so much happening right now with
that potential disaster in Orange County. We're following it so closely.
If there are any new developments, of course, we will
be letting you know. But it seems as though things
are heading in the positive right direction.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
So scary in Garden Grove, right, I think that's right.
We took this trip to god and Grove sublind I
love it.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Okay, Now, how was your weekend, Stephanie so far? Listen?
It is still full swing.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I am claiming full weekend. So tomorrow we will be
Memorial daying. I don't know what that involves here in Nashville.
There might be a parade involved in I don't know, brunch,
what do you guys think anyone is welcome to come?
Oh on my way, get me out of this heat
for a minute, fair enough. By the way, in case

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we go any further, body is going to be a
crime con this upcoming weekend, so let's make sure if
you are planning on being there, that you go find her.
And I believe Courtney Armstrong and Taha are heading that
way as well. So much revelee to be had. We
will of course be jealous us Ava and I and
Adam and Sam and listen. If you want to join

(03:03):
us live, please do eight A eight three one crime.
We'd love to hear from you, or you could always
leave us a talk back. In fact, let's go to
one now.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
I'm just thinking about the Alex Murdaw trial you guys
are talking about in the retrial, and I'm wondering if
there's any world in where he has a bench trial
as opposed to a jury trial because of this insurmountable
job of trying to find an impartial jury. Just the thought,

(03:34):
I don't know if that's even a thing.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Gosh, cricket, that's a really good question, right, Ken, So
a bench trial? What is a bench trial? The bench
trials where the judge decides, right, the judge decides guilt
or innocence, rather than a jury, right, And you know,
everybody in the United States is afforded to be tried
in front of a jury of your peers. It is

(03:59):
up to the defend din't to determine if they want
a bench trial or not, not the judge. So what
do they do if they can't find a jury? Can
they force a bench trial? I don't think so, because
that is a violation of your sixth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I think a jury of your peers is sort
of the end goal unless it's elected. To my understanding,
at least, and again, not having a jury trial is
also a scary thing. You're looking at one person's decision.
So at least when you have multiple people weighing in,
that could be you know, important, frankly, But if only

(04:33):
the judge is deciding, that could also be really scary,
quite frankly.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
My understanding is that while you do, of course have
a constitutional right you can ask for the judge jury
in a criminal but yeah, the prosecutor and.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
The judge, like they all have to be a.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
You remember Kelly Fitzsimmons, the police officer who was accused
of shooting another police officer. Yes, she asked for trial, remember, right,
And she was the one who initiated that from you know,
She's like, I'm going to give up this right, I
want this to be a bench trial. And of course,
you know, the judge ruled in her favor, so it
actually worked out to her benefit.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
But and in that documentary Crash, they also it was
a bench trial that ended that case.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's right, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
So, I mean, it is certainly something that can happen,
But I do believe it's something that the defense side
has to like ask for and then of course the
judge has to agree in the state, you know, and
the prosecution has to agree as well. I don't think
it's something that the judge can force on on Allen's
worth at all. Yeah, but that's a really good question,
I mean, because I don't know what the jury's going

(05:45):
I don't know what they're going to do to find
a jury for this case in South Carolina, like, and
they can't move it to another state, you know, I
don't know what they're.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Going to do. It's going to be really it's a
real pressure point. And again, really it's just one of
those cases that many people would assume he's very guilty.
I mean, this was not a great look. That trial,
the last time that Alex Murder went through, did not
leave him in a good light. And many of us
saw that trial so a you can't unsee the trial.
You really can't unsee the many documentaries and the scripted

(06:15):
show out on Hulu about this case. None of those
versions of any of them that I've seen at least
make Alex look like a great guy. If I'm his
a defense attorney. Not that I'm suggesting this is a
good thing, but if I was his defense attorney, this
would be the pressure point that I would lean into.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, I agree, But at the same time, you are
allowed to know the details of a case, even you know,
to be selected as a jury member.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
You just can't have any bias.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
You can't just say, you know, I believe he's guilty
or I I you know, I'm not going to be
able to change my mind, because when they decide on
guilt or innocence in the jury room, they have notes
that they are, you know, allowed to take in things
that they're allowed to look at. If that yet, if
the evidence wasn't presented at trial, it's not something that
they can.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Consider for guilt.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
And you know, Drew void Dar they can eliminate people
who are biased. You know, it's really gonna I don't know,
this is really complicated. I'm tend to ramble because I
get excited.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
About this stuff.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
No, it's interesting. And if you're just kind of catching
up on this case. Alex Murda, he's the guy who's
the really powerful attorney in South Carolina and he was
convicted of murdering his wife Maggie and his son Paul
in twenty twenty three. However, recently the South Carolina Supreme
Court overturned that verdict, and that all goes back to

(07:37):
something we've spoken a little bit about, which is the
former clerk of the court, Becky Hill, who was assessed
to have been putting undue pressure on the jury to
get a guilty verdict, which is insane in total misconduct. Well,
there's some new information. Did you guys know about the

(07:58):
egg jur.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I do, and I'm desperate to talk to you about it. Yeah,
let's I didn't hear about it till today. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
So the eggger now we all know as of today,
her name Myrah Crosby. So she earned that nickname because
immediately after being dismissed from the jury in twenty twenty three,
at the trial for alleged misconduct, she asked the judge
if she could a get her purse and b grab

(08:27):
a dozen free range eggs that a fellow juror had
brought in, which I think is kind of a riot.
That was her priority in that moment.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Right right, those eggs, I want those sikes. Yeah, forget
the murder trial.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
So, but this is impactful because the recent retial orders,
they allege that the kind of dirty clerk, Becky Hill,
that she systematically targeted this egg ger, Bra Crosby, and
she did it to secure a swift, unanimous guilty verdict. Apparently,

(09:03):
Becky Hill, the court clerk, forged a Facebook post pretending
to be the egg jurors estranged ex husband and saying
that the juror was discussing the trial while drunk.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean, so Becky Hill is out of hand. Can
we just discuss Becky Hill from one quick moment? So
Becky Hill if this is accurate, right, which, by the way,
any of the things that now Becky Hill has been
accused of, like the book she wrote about the trial,
that she should not have been spewing any information about.

(09:38):
It's a really sacred position. You're in a courtroom. You're
dealing with people who are, by the way, who have
been through a lot number one, because they're witnessing and
hearing really difficult things. To be a juror in a
case like this is not easy. We're talking about a
wife and a young son who's been murdered. You know,

(09:58):
you're seeing details, you're hearing things. It can be very confusing,
it can be very triggering. And Becky Hill, who's in
charge of making sure the jury is in good hands,
is the hands that's actually rocking this cradle. It's shocking,
and again it's very important that we're discussing it and
that she's getting a handslab. But what does that mean

(10:20):
for justice for Alex's wife and kid.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Well, I think the new jury is going to be
where whatever form of justice justice takes place.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I mean, okay, yeah, can we really really quickly?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
So they're saying, the defense is saying Alex Murdle's defense
is saying that Becky Hill basically created a Facebook profile
in the name and the profile photo of the juror's
ex husband and then made a Facebook post that she
was discussing the trial with him while she was drinking.

(10:58):
That's what they're alleging, and they use this The Supreme
Court of South Carolina used this information to determine whether
or not Alex Murdall was going to receive a new trial,
and they did determine that.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's a brazen lack of judgment. I mean, think about it.
How much time does it take to actually your Becky,
let's just go for one quick moment. You're Becky Hill,
You're in charge of making sure all of the needs
of this jury is met, and you go ahead and
create a fake profile on social media. How much time

(11:36):
and energy does that alone take? Like she's a little
bit off her rocker. So, unfortunately, despite the fact that
Alex Murder may have murdered his wife and son, it
is completely justified that he gets a new jury based
on this flagrant behavior.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
And apparently this juror was a little, you know, maybe
up in the air about whether or not Alex murda
was guilty or not and was targeted by Becky Hill,
like Becky Hill is overly invested in Alex Murdaws.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Why would that baby? You think that's.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Crazy now, I mean you could say a lot of things,
like maybe she was getting paid off by somebody, or
she was somehow very resentful of him in some way.
I mean, she works's, she works with the courts. He's
a lawyer. Maybe there was something in their past, like
some true altercation at the supermarket. I don't know, Like,

(12:30):
why is she so invested? It's very weird to me,
very weird.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, what do you think is there a reason that
comes to mind? Again, we had talked about it, because
you know, we've had a few talkbacks and a caller
that was suggesting, hey, maybe she's being paid off, because again,
the level by which she is behaving badly is pretty unprecedented. Again,
if you work at the court, at least in my experience,
you are so dedicated and devoted to justice. It is

(12:58):
not an easy job. It's an under paid job. You
were hearing and dealing with really difficult things on a
daily basis. It's one of those jobs that you say,
hats off, We're so proud of you because you're really
serving your community. But Becky Hill is just throwing a
jackknife into it and lighten the whole house on fire.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it was, and
it's all speculation if it was a like a Robin
Hood vigilante thing she was taking on, or.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
If she's just I think I don't know.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
She just this way, I said earlier, can you imagine
being her, ex Like, if you're gonna go ahead and
create fake profiles and do all this nonsense. So I
don't know. But additional things she did body as you
mentioned the Jurormira Crosby, she was hold out. She was
having some doubt over missing murder weapons in the in

(13:52):
the crime, and the cloak told her to quote forget
about the guns. Oh yeah, insane, And then she went
ahead and used a totally unverified rumor about this poor
egg jur and said, hey, judge, the sheer has been
discussing the case with a tenant of hers, And ten
minutes later she was removed from the trial as.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
She should have been. It's again, this is a weird,
wild miscarriage of justice, and this is what we're dealing with.
Somebody who may have committed a double homicide, or who
has been found guilty of committing a double homicide unfair,
would be a real danger to society, may be freed
because of her poor behavior.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
Wow, Becky behaving badly, Becky, So I know, right, So
we'll see. The people are also fighting over this sealed files.
Two parties want files that are sealed to be transparent.
Mara Crosby, the juror, wants complete public transpace and see

(15:00):
because her dismissal was so controversial, and Alex Murda's defense
wants it too.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
So we'll see. We'll keep you updated.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, yeah, they're suing her civilly right, they want that.
They want those files released because it's going to prove
how meddling she was.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
And those dang kids too, just like Scooby Doo.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, coming up next, will we.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Come back, We're going to get into some Epstein files
and we're going to talk about a really tragic case
out of California involving a scammer impersonating Tom Selleck.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Keep it right here, True Crime Tonight. Welcome back to
True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all
the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong and

(15:50):
body move in. Happy Memorial Day weekend, everybody. We have
Avias Zaplin, who is in the hot seat with us
this evening. Taha is off of the night. We miss you,
but Ava, we're so happy you're here. Plus of course
we have Sam and Adam in the control room just
waiting for your call eight eight eight three one crime.
If you have a second or one away in we'd

(16:12):
love to hear from you. Or again, you can keep
those talkbacks coming. For the record, you guys leave the
greatest talkbacks and dms, So just know that we're getting
them and we love them. And keep it up, Keep
it up, keep it up. So this Epstein saga continues,
it doesn't appear that it's going away, although in some

(16:32):
cases it does. I will speak for myself anecdotically, even
on my algorithm within whatever I'm on Instagram, et cetera,
which again is not major sourcing. But I used to
be flooded with information. Now it feels like I'm getting zero.
You have to actually really go to look for that.
And I don't know is that by design? Is there

(16:54):
something to that? But now that Thomas Massey is you know,
looking at his final days, he of course being one
of the main voices behind the release of the EPSTEIN files.
You know, the question remains, who will be accountable, if anyone,
and how is it possible that there has been no
action you know overseas. Of course in the UK, Prince

(17:17):
Andrew is coming under fire a bit. So we have
a bit of an update tonight, Courtney. Do you want
to fill us in absolutely?

Speaker 6 (17:25):
And Andrew mount Batton Windsor, formerly known as Prince Andrew.
He's been under investigation with regards to EPSTEIN for a
long time and his name has come up in these
millions of documents that came out through the Epstein Transparency Act. Well,
there's been some new allegations that have come out and

(17:46):
they span several decades. They involve multiple police sources all
across the UK. So one thing that we knew about
was that in twenty ten, while former Prince Andrew was
as the UK Special Trade Envoy, he was leaking confidential
government and trade reports to EPSTEIN.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Very bad, beyond bad.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
What has just come out in sort of different Correspondents
papers that came out between two thousand and one two
thousand and two it revealed that Queen Elizabeth was very
keen to secure her son's envoy role and confirmed theories
that her maternal love sort of compromised her handling of

(18:29):
his ties to Epstein potentially.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh wow, so she really did. Yeah, she really did
say that, and she really looked the other way. Remember,
even she some of her own money was actually part of,
you know, her son's ability to have cash to get
out of some of these crimes. I mean, so that's
also a little bit of a pocket here. And it

(18:51):
seems as though Prince Andrew got away with a lot
of things, and it doesn't appear that he's going to
always get away with anything anymore. So they are cracking
down on him as they should, I guess. But why
are we not seeing that here?

Speaker 6 (19:05):
There's been such when hinting with a huge wink and
a nod, I believe it's already had been let out
that part of her monies went to Virginia Goufrey one
of the victims.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Is that right, Stephanie, That's correct exactly. So just think
about that following of the money. So this is the
Queen of England, our beloved queen. I grew up in
a home that just loves the Royals. I've seen all
the weddings. I got up at the crack of whatever
to watch Princess Diana's wedding. It was such a big deal.
I watched Megan Markle's wedding, such a big deal. We

(19:41):
take the Royals pretty seriously. To so hear that, you know,
our beloved Queen kind of knew that there might be
some shady deliverings with her son, and that some of
her money, yeah, went to Virginia Gouffrey, who is the
lead face. Of course, she's no longer with us because
she took her life back in twenty twenty. But that's

(20:01):
pretty explosive to quote you directly. That's a great point.
It's explosive.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
And you know you mentioned Virginia Gufay and that famous
photo of them two together Andrew, you know, former Prince
Andrew and Virginia Guffay when she was a lot younger. Obviously,
it's very famous. Everybody has seen this photo. It's one
of I mean, it kind of is legendary at this point,
that's the two of them together.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
He said it was fake. He said that photo was
fake for years and years. Frankly, a decade he said
that was fake, as did so many people. Whereas this
evidence comes forward, it's always, oh, that was manufactured, that
was something that was completely made up. That was ai
oh a birthday book that has completely inappropriate things written

(20:47):
by real important people to Jeffrey Epstein on his birthday.
You all remember that book. Apparently it was all fake.
It was fake. It was fake. Hey, guess what, it
turns out it wasn't fake. That book.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
By the way, I literally just made such a face
to myself. How repugnant that book was, Like you said,
these powerful leaders of states and countries doing dirty limericks
and referencing just.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Say, dirty things and dirty pictures.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
Dirty, I mean, shame shame on everyone who went after
went into that book.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
But there's a couple of other.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Things that have come out which were brand new to
me about the former prints, and they were they involved
sexual misconduct and human trafficking. So I want to be
hyper clear that as far as our understanding, and these
are coming from victims making their accounts, they have not
yet been verified, but they have been submitted to the FBI.

(21:51):
There's a child abuse claim that separate inquiries into a
couple of different allegations, one back all the way to
the eighties and another one from like nineteen ninety five
to two thousand and per these unsealed FBI files, there
was an anonymous victim who alleged the former prince struck
them with a car and sexually assaulted them between the

(22:14):
ages of six and eight's.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Let's just underscore that these are six and eight year olds.
I mean, this is again that depravity is really hard
to wrap your brain around. Hit them with a car.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yeah, The claim is that they were hit by a
car and they left the detail of that. The car
hood ornament came off in their hand. Again, these are
in the FBI files. We're sharing what has come out
as news recently. Additionally, another email allegation accuses the former
prince of being an accessory to the death of a

(22:53):
woman who was sold into sex, slavery and torture. So
that's a big allegation and the government and royal response.
We all know King Charles stripped his brother Andrew of
his title, but Parliament is considering legislation to formally remove

(23:15):
the former prince from the line of succession.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Wow, that'll be very interesting if that happens. This is
true Crime tonight we are on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
This is a really heavy topic. If you want to
weigh in, download the iHeartRadio up and just leave us
a little talk back and we'll play it on the show,
don't you guys. I don't know if what do you
guys think about these allegations. I'd love to hear it.
Will just give us a call and let us know.
Eight eight eight thirty one crime. These allegations are pretty.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Intense.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
I don't know the word to use for them outside
of intense. They're saying that a woman that was sold
into slavery and a sex ring, who, by the way,
is an asset right at that point for the person
who quote unquote owns her. They're saying that Prince William
is an accessory to murder of that woman.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, yep, dout. That's very very dark start. And by
the way, even with Thomas Massey, as we spoke about
at the top of the segment, again, these are names
that just are not being set out loud because these
are dangerous allegations. Number One, you know, to be a
victim to speak out to say something about people that
are very powerful and very litigious and also very scary.

(24:33):
This specifically is speaking about murder. So yeah, it's not
that easy to go to Capitol Hill and put your
name on an allegation knowing that the people that you're
going up against could not only destroy your entire life
and frankly have destroyed so many, but also your reputation
out the window. But now we're talking life and death

(24:55):
stuff and threats against your family, threats against your being,
and if any of this is true, this is far
darker than I think any of us were prepared for.
Thomas Massey has what seven months left in office, but
it's quite possible that he might get loose lipped. And

(25:16):
you know Marjorie Taylor Green, who you know spoke out
and spoke against you know, her former boss. She really
hasn't said too much about what she was aware of.
But Thomas Massey still has a place at the table,
so maybe there is something actionable still to come. Where
is allegations against Leon Black, Jess Staley for example, You know,

(25:39):
some of these names are forever being repeated on a cycle.
They've gone and done interviews before, you know, the House
Oversight Committee. To what end, nothing really seems to happen.
Les Wexner.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
You know, you said something that just kind of like
tickled my brain a little bit. You said something like,
the same names keep getting mentioned. Do you think at
some point they are offering up like sacrificial lambs to
keep everyone kind of distracted so that yes, you know,
the outer circle or the inner circle I should stay
stays protected. And that's why these three or four names

(26:17):
keep getting.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know, in the new cycle interesting. There is a
handful of men, specifically a handful of humans that have
been not just alleged crimes or things that have been
said about them, it's been said about them by so
many Like how is there literally nothing actionable happening to
somebody who's been accused of the level of things that

(26:39):
some of these gentlemen have been accused of. It really
does make it nerve wracking for any victim to come
forward moving forward? Why would you nothing seems to happen.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
Well, that may be changing based on what just happened
with the really brave testimony of Sarah Kellen. So she
was a former distant to Epstein, and she has accused
three previously unlinked men of wrongdoings. And this happened during
the closed door testimony before the House Oversight Committee.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
So first of all, bravo Sarah Kellen, Yeah, big flat
for sure.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
And James Comer, who's the committee chair, he called her
interview the most substantive and productive to date and noted
that these specific sexual abuse allegations were previously unknown to Congress.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And keep in mind, this is somebody who's a tricky
person also, so just to give some more context to
that and make sure that we're sharing both sides of this.
She was Jeffrey Epstein's assistant at some point, and allegedly
she was also part of the grooming process that both
she was a victim who then also victimized. This is

(27:52):
something we've discussed here so much. You know, this cycle
of abuse, it really does happen, and it happens very regularly. However,
on its nose, it's easy for an outsider looking in
to dismiss her testimony because she was an insider and
had real access to information that she too allegedly acted on.

(28:13):
So she's not a perfect person in this regard. However,
her coming forward and speaking her truth I think will
be one of the more monumental pieces of this case
moving forward. Is she reinforcing some of the names that
we've already heard. Yes, so we're seeing the same cycle
of humans going through the process and through the process.

(28:35):
And now that she's naming those three people, it's pretty groundbreaking, absolutely, because.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
All of the perpetrator's names have you know, unlike the
survivors who were unredacted and had their information put out
to the whole wide world, the perpetrators have not. But
in this testimony, Sarah Kellen mentioned Fredrick Akai, who you
guys are a hairdresser, yeah, addresser, And she testified that

(29:03):
Fakai sexually assaulted her. This happened in the early two thousands,
it was before she was employed by Ebstein, and files
show that Epstein, I guess he liked to get his
hair done because he spent thousands at the salon, and
it seemed like they were buddy buddy, and that Frederick
Krakai would request to repeatedly use Ebstein's apartments and rooms,

(29:27):
and Ebstein boasted that he helped launch Faki's company.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Which was a really big deal.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
So that's one name that none of us said, no
one in Congress had heard.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
It seems like all these people somehow Jeffrey gets entangled
with financially right in some capacity, whether he's investing or
you know, maybe guiding them on investing into other people.
He's kind of always got a grip on them somehow financially.
And I think that when we talk about Jeffrey Epstein,

(29:59):
we often mentioned blackmail and compromond and that might be
part of it, you know, that he would entangle him
themselves in his lie for some kind of control in
some way, And.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Just to offer some context to that, and I know
we'll get to the other names after the break. Frederick,
for Kai, was a very big deal, at least in
New York City when I lived there. His salon was
a big deal, Like this was the guy that had
you know, the air quotes hairline of the century, Like
he was famous in his field. We're need deep talking

(30:31):
about epscene and some new revelations about some people who
have been named by his former assistant in front of
the House Oversight Committee. So Frederick Forkai, as we were
just discussing, is one of those names. He is a
renowned hair stylist and colorist and had a fancy salon

(30:51):
that I used to go to in New York. The
best color I ever had in my life. Was at
the Frederick Forrachai hair salon and he had a whole
beauty line and you know product, and this was the guy.
So this is a name that was also not on
anybody's radar. So welcome to the conversation. Frederick. He has
not commented, but there are more people that are being

(31:14):
brought into the conversation, Courtney tell us more.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Absolutely, and by the way, Stephanie Year exactly right that
Frederick Faki himself has not commented. However, a representative has
category orically denied the claims and said that not only
has he never abused anyone, he knew nothing of sex
trafficker Ebstein's trafficking.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
So that is what is coming from Faki's camp.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
But two other names that Ebstein's former assistant mentioned in
her testimony, So Sarah Kellen also said that the former
mayor of Miami Beach, Philip Levine. Uh huh yeah, so
she accused him of sexual assault and revealed that in
twenty following Epstein's release from jail from sex crimes, by

(32:06):
the way, this former mayor emailed him, quote, You're a
great guy.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Skirt skirt stop.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
So Jeffrey Epstein he's living in West Palm Beach. I
believe in two thousand and eight, he makes this ACCTA
deal with Acosta. He goes to like, you know, prison
camp basically only at night to go to bed, and
he's got like a day release for sex crimes. Right,
he gets out. He gets out for these known sex crimes,

(32:38):
and the mayor of Miami Beach emails him and he's like,
you're a good dude.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Are you kidding me? That's right? I have to repeat
it because I don't believe it too even just to
bring bring it one step further. Jeffrey Epstein, during this
time when he had been air quotes, serving time and
in West Palm Beach, to your point, he would only
sleep in jail at night, and during the day he

(33:06):
was a free man to kind of wander and allegedly
also abuse young girls. So allegations came forward. Do we
discuss this, even as recently as last week, that even
during that time that he was allegedly being charged and
serving a sentence for the crimes he had committed, he
was still wandering around able to still commit that exact

(33:30):
same crime, which is shocking in and of itself, and
the fact that that has continued for so long. By
the way, where are the rest of the emails we have?
You know, three million documents have been released allegedly, there's
two and a half million more that are never going
to see the light of day. Why why there? If
you are innocent and your name is being associated with

(33:52):
something that is not appropriate or that you had nothing
to do with, the truth will set you free. Let
the files out. But again, everything is getting pushed. Our
algorithms are pushing this aside. We're not really hearing a
ton about it in the press. It is certainly not
anywhere in the mainstream media anymore. And I'm telling you,

(34:13):
I am paying attention. We source this stuff in many
different ways. It is not even easy to do that
any longer. Even the air quotes left leaning media establishments.
The lead is not Epstein any longer. It's almost as
though there's a mandate that we're not allowed to talk
about it. I think people, I'm surprised we're talking about it,
and that in and of itself might be dangerous, But

(34:34):
these names are being put out there. We would never
want to accuse anybody of something that they didn't do.
So again, these are allegedly allegedly allegedly allegations, but they're
really serious and again, until some justice is seen. We've
hundreds of women who have come out and their stories
have been cooperated and still it's crickets. Wow.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Okay, So the former mayor of Miami is like, a
you know, you're a good dude. Let's chill. You know,
I hope things come to an you know, a positive
end for you moving forward.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Take care. Wow. Yes, interesting, Yeah, so that's how his
name came up.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
In addition, of course, in a paramount for the accusation
that he indeed sexually assaulted Sarah Kellen. And then a
few other tidbits was that this former mayor directed Ebstein
in twenty thirteen on how to donate online, so many
many years after he was a known convicted sex criminal.

(35:38):
And also Gileene Maxwell, she called, she called Levine a
very good friend, and he apparently is the one who
introduced her to President Bill Clinton. And both Gileen Maxwell
and this former mayor used to love trading a sexual
joker too.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I'm confused.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I thought Gilaine was like dating somebody who knew the Clintons,
and that's how she met them and that's why she
was at the wedding. Why is it now that this
Philip Levine Mayor introduced them Elaine?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
It's too much. Is it possible that Elaine Maxwell is
lying or is not her story completely st It's possible.
I think Elaine Maxwell is saying what she needs to say. Whoever,
she needs to say it too in the moment. Right, So,
some of these you know, dates are getting blurry. The
how did I meet them exactly kind of blurry. And

(36:37):
again some of this stuff was from yesteryear. But and
the reality is these guys traveled in very specific circles
Gilaine included. And let's remember Jeffrey Epstein, as we talked
about earlier, was the number one honey potter. He was
the guy that was blackmailing many be able to be
able to get his agenda. Served That agenda was not

(36:58):
only sex trafficking young girls, it was also political, it
was financial. He was scamming banks, hand over fists. Let's
remember Jess Staley, who's one of those names that again
should be being held accountable, who headed up JP Morgan
and let all of those red flags go away. You
know how hard it is to make money in this

(37:21):
life imagine this is a crew of people that are
just making money hand over fist, break in every rule
under the sun, and there is no accountability. We all
have to pay our taxes. They don't have to worry
about it. We have to pay our little fines if
your check is laid or if you missed a payment,
not if you're a Jess Staley and you run JP

(37:41):
Morgan or Barkley's bank, which happened later and let these
guys run rampant. So it's one believing the victims and
two following the money. Who's the third person? Courtney Armstrong?

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Ooh, he is a French photographer, Patrick Demarcialier and Sarah Kellen,
Epstein's former assistant.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
She textified that he exposed himself.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
To her and also that he was the one who
originally introduced her to Epstein. And this is while he
was scouting for Victoria's Secret models. So those that is
the third name bodies fallen off our chair, listen and
let's if you're while body's getting up. If you have
any reaction to even the fact that new names are

(38:27):
finally being revealed, we'd love to hear from you. This
is true crime tonight. We're at eighty eight three one
crime bodies are covered and covered.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, go ahead, Batty.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
I was just going to say, like, I remember being
a younger woman and looking at these beautiful models walk
the runway and being like jealous of them because they
were so beautiful and thin and confident. And I'm not
saying every one of them was a victim of anything,
but it's it seems like there were many that were.

(39:01):
And here I am. I have shame now that I
was jealous of them, and it shouldn't shame. This was
the industry that was targeted in so.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
It was no, it wasn't even an industry. It seems
like it was an industry that was actually just a
version of trafficking, Like this was part of the Yes,
that's we've talked about it, right, So the you know
Ford Modeling Agency, These are Gileen Ford. These are names
that at least back in my day, this was the
top of the top. And to your point, we all

(39:32):
aspired to be like these beautiful women who were running
the runways and wearing angel wings at the victorious Secret
model competitions and this was all major stuff. So you
think you can know or top model or whatever, the
less wetster in Ohio who owns Victoria's secret. He is
one of the main co contributors that's never been brought

(39:54):
to justice. So how is that possible. Yes, there's this
huge machine of the modeling in industry. We have this
huge machine of the banking industry. Twenty banks have been
indicted and have been brought into this. Have you guys
been hearing about much about any of that? No?

Speaker 6 (40:11):
No, I mean I did when it happened and body
you had mentioned earlier about.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, there has been less.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
News coming out information coming out about Epstein, And I
think there can be many things true at once, and
I do think one may be fatigue people simply when
you hear day in day out about it is simply
a fatigue and people move on with their daily lives,

(40:40):
you know, listen until a testimony like this.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
So Sarah Kellen not good for Sarah. For Sarah, it
was a lot of that was brave of her and
hopefully there's some action because of it.

Speaker 7 (40:55):
Grab atacra Hi, guys, this is lastlie a listener Day one,
huge fan. I'm so excited that you guys bring true
crime on a daily basis. I just have a comment
to make about the six year old in Virginia the shooting.
I'm really glad that they dismissed the case against the

(41:16):
vice principal. I just felt like, even though she was aware,
they did do a bag search. And I have seen
so many times on YouTube footage in school where students
have absolutely thrown a fit if they tried to search
their person, and I see teachers are very hesitant to

(41:38):
search the children too. I mean, you just think of
all the lawsuits that could come out of that as well.
So I really felt like the mother went on the
way to the school and the vice principal checked the bag.
I just felt like she really had done the majority
in her power to try and handle the situation anyway,
Huge fans, Thanks ladies, love you.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh we love you right back. That it was the
best talkback. Yeah, I agree with her.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I'm glad that, you know, the prince assistant principal, Ebity
Parker was acquitted or the charges were dropped.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I should say.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
She's the former assistant principal of the rich Neek Elementary
School in Virginia and she was facing eight felony counts
of child neglect after one of her students shot and
wounded a first grade teacher, Abby's Werner in January twenty
twenty three. The prosecutors argued that Ebony ignored multiple explicit

(42:35):
warnings from staff members that the child had a gun
right remember this, Yeah, and just right before the incident
occurred where he shot the teacher. A jury awarded Abby's
Warner ten million dollars in damages against Ebene Parker in
late twenty twenty five, but her criminal trial came to
an abrupt halt just last week. The presiding judge dismissed

(42:59):
all the criminal charges mid trial, ruling that Ebony Parker's
actions did not constitute a crime under Virginia law or
common law.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
What do you guys think? I agree with the decision. Yeah,
I agree with the decision. I agree with what the
talk back said.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
And also thank you for that energy you just put
out into the universe. And I also think that the
prosecution they absolutely mishandled the charges. I'm gonna mess up
at detail, but not by much. That they carried account
for each of the bullets that had not yet been discharged,
and that is not part of Virginia law, and so

(43:39):
it was just a mischarge. Regardless of everything else, you're
a hunter. On top of that, you're a hundred percent correct.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
The judge was like, you can't charge with these unspent
bullets that were in the weapon. That's there's no victim, right,
and in these bullets that were not fired, So you're
one hundred percent right.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
That's how I remember as well.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, no, I uh, you know, and I I think
it does matter too, And I've seen those same YouTube videos. Now,
how would you guys feel if your children and you know,
we're searched other person?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Would you throw a fit? Or would you be like, oh, okay,
there's probably a reason, I'm okay with it, You're okay
with it. What if what if your child didn't want
to be searched? Why? I don't know. I mean, how
would you guys feel?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
It?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Is loving it, but yeah, it's part of the deal.
It's the world we live in. Unfortunately, this is a
real problem. And I don't know what the answer is
systemically to solve the problem, but in the immediate yeah,
if that means you've got to have your person searched
as a young child in this world we now live
in that seems sometimes upside down but also awesome. So
I don't want to be perpetuating sadness, but in reality, yeah,

(44:50):
we can't have six year olds rolling into school with
a backpack filled with weapons or a gun. And you know,
guess I do think the principal may to bad judgment
call and it was a super bad day to be
the principal that day, and I think she probably will
not do it again. I also think her response felt
a bit indignant and therefore it escalated. But calling all teachers,

(45:14):
you're all saints, and whatever we can do to make
sure that you are safe in the classroom, I am
on board with.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Yeah, listen, stick around because at the top of the hour,
we're gonna talk about a tragic apparent murder suicide of
an elderly couple. They were a target of a scammer
posing as actor Tom Selleck. Keep it here, True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
Courtney Armstrong and body move in on this beautiful Memorial
Day weekend, although not so beautiful in Mick the Woods.
It's been pouring all weekend, so hopefully you all are
soaking up some sun and enjoying some time off from

(46:08):
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couple of big announcements that we're really proud to say.
We have a new podcast coming out on iHeart called
AI Made Me Die that we've all been working on
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(46:31):
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(46:53):
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(47:14):
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If anybody has any big tips or suggestions or things
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(47:35):
that for updates to come and listen. We have a
lot to still get to tonight. If you've missed any
of the first hour of the show, though, do not
sweat it for a second. You can always catch it
as a podcast right after and just keep those talkbacks coming.
So Tom Selleck, do you all know who Tom Sellick is?
Because our baby Ava Caplan does not know who this is,

(47:57):
and that makes total sense because this is where the
generations are real. We grew up in a house or
at least I did where Tom Selleck from Magnum Pi
and also more recently Blued Bloods. You might have seen
him also on Friends. He was Courtney Cox's boyfriend at
one point. Mustache he was. He was iconic back in

(48:18):
the day. Iconic. Oh, and now he's at the center
of a scam, which is terrible. Nothing to do with him,
by the way, he is with innocent. He's perfect.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yes, he's perfect, right, Yeah, I grew up in the
same household Tom Sellick was like, my mom's heart draw.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Right, And I think it's really important.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
That we talk about this because, you know, I think
probably a lot of our listeners are likely similar ages
to us, right, maybe forties to fifties, and you know,
we have aging parents and they're very susceptible to this
kind of scam, you know, especially if they're widowed perhaps
or maybe suffering medically from something and maybe feeling a

(48:58):
little lonely. I'm terrified of this myself, like falling to
something like this when I get older. So I take
this personally very seriously. It's very sad story. So on
Friday the fifteenth that just passed, the police conducted a
welfare tech at a Bermuda Dunes, California home, and they

(49:19):
discovered a tragedy seventy nine year old Karen Whitaker and
her husband, eighty year old Donna Donald Whittaker.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
They were found dead with violent injuries all right.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
The Riverside County Sheriff's Office is investigating this tragedy as
a suspected murder suicide that was driven by intense financial
stress and tention. A close friend of the couple revealed
that Karen Whitaker the seventy nine year old Karen Whitaker
had fallen victim to a sophisticated online scam that drained

(49:57):
the couple's finances over the course of about a year.
Authorities are still investigating a case for financial elder abuse.
They emphasize there is no evidence to suggest that the
online scammers were physically present or were responsible and involved
in the violence, but they're pointing to it as the reason. Okay,
So here's how it went down. So the scam began

(50:21):
after Karen Whittaker, she's the the wife and one of
the decedents. The scam began after she posted to Facebook
a tribute to a deceased friend from high school. Okay,
and it was probably a public Facebook post that everybody
in the world can see. Well, she received a message
on her Facebook from this scammer. Okay, and this guy

(50:45):
he had a profile picture in the name of Tom Selik.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Okay, So he was pretending to be Tom Selick. And
he said to her, I'm so sorry to hear about
our high school friend that died. I used to date
her back in the day, all right, I'm paraphrasing.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
All right.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
So they start chatting and of course, as all scammers do,
they move it off of the platform into texting, right,
And as the conversation, you know, gets chattier and chattier,
the scammer introduces romantic elements to the conversation. Right. So,
now this woman who's seventy nine years old thinks that

(51:27):
she is in a romantic relationship with Tom Selik, she's not, right.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
And by the way, and like she's again a married woman,
but she's also like feeling the all the feelings, Like
Tom Sellick is an amazing celebrity who's suddenly you know, iconic,
who's now reaching out there. They're they're kindling a friendship.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Right, and you know, in as we were saying earlier,
tom Selick was the heart throb for people are mother's age,
Like my mom had posters of Tom sell like on
a refrigerator, Like, yeah, he was in like the Hawaiian shirt,
the chest hair everywhere in the little short shorts and
stuff like it's iconic.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
So it's scammers.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, these scammers knew whose profile to use, right, they
knew who to use.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
So and here's another very sad part.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
A friend of the couple noted that she believed Karen
might have been suffering from early stage dementia on top
of it all. So this woman who might have been
suffering from some early stage dementia is thinking that she's
in a relationship with Tom Selleck. And of course the

(52:44):
scammer starts asking for money, right, And it started it
started out small because they're fishing, right, They're they're testing
the waters. Eighty dollars. I'm having an event, Could you
maybe donate eighty dollars in a gift card? Okay, that's
how it starts, right, And that escalates, you know, over
the course of the conversation to well, if you want

(53:06):
to buy a table at my event, it's eight hundred dollars,
but you can't come. So of course this escalates, and
over the course of the year, she gives this guy
or a woman, I.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Don't know, thirty thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
You buy my goodness, thirty thousand dollars, and they insisted
that you keep paying me these gift cards. That's what
they do, They want the gift cards. So how this
all kind of came out was that the husband, Donald Whitaker,
he's eighty years old. They learned about this only after
Adult Protective Services came to their house in January. Apparently,

(53:43):
you know, Karen was very vocal with her friends about
her relationship, and they called Adult Protective Services on her.
They came to visit the house, and that's how the
husband found out about it. The family started cutting up
her credit cards, you know, they removed her name from
any banking accounts they could, and despite all that, she
still found way to send the scammer money. All right,

(54:08):
So sad.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Oh, it is so sad and such an important topic.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
If you're just joining us, this is true crime tonight,
and we'd love to hear from you. We're at eight
at eight three one crime, and we're talking about an
elderly couple who died from an a parent murder suicide
after being swindled by someone purporting to be.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Homseellick.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
But there are many, many, many thousands or hundreds of
thousands of scams like this.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
But what happened?

Speaker 6 (54:40):
So the Adult Protective Services comes to the home.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, So they come to the home in January. The
family learns about this and they're like, oh my gosh.
They cut up through her credit cards and remove her
name from make accounts and she's still finding ways. I
don't know, what those ways were, but she's still finding
ways to send the scammer money. And the day before
the couple was found dead on Thursday, they were found
dead on Friday. The day before they were found dead,

(55:08):
apparently Karen that well, you know, the older woman in
this case, reportedly asked her friends for money. And she
was claiming that Tom Sellick's manager's wife had died and
needed some financial help to get through it. So, I mean,
up until the very end, she was, you know, top,

(55:28):
my boyfriend's manager's wife died and they need help. Can
you loan me some money? So friends noted that this
was the last straw for her husband. Okay, he was embarrassed,
he was overwhelmed, and he had like no ability to
cope with this, and he reportedly confided that he feared

(55:52):
taking his own life only because.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
It would leave Karen, you know, the older woman alone.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
With the finances and the total depletion of the children's inheritance.
So he's like, I can't kill myself because she'll spend
all the money and my kids won't get anything.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
It's terrible, it is, and on words, you know when
you're being scammed and when you're being you know, brought
in and reeled in over time, and people are working
on all different avenues of whether it be a charity
you should support or if they you know, feel you
are lonely, and then start offering different kinds of friendships

(56:35):
or relationships.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
And listen, it happens. You can be have as you know.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Be as highly educated, and be as smart and a
brain surgeon who flies airplanes. And no one is immune
to these, I mean complaints people over age sixty. The
complaints of skyrocketed to over two hundred thousand victim complaining

(57:01):
of total financial losses. It's over seven point seven billion
with a B dollars being scammed out of the elderly.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Let's be honest. Two to that point, Courtney, It's only
gonna get worse, you know now that we're on the
advent of all things AI taking over the world, you know,
with AI bots and fake it's very, very common for
people to get phone calls with AI voices basically saying hey, look,
you know, hey Tom Celick, Grandpa, it's me send me

(57:35):
some money. I'm in trouble for you know, dad, I
need your help. Please send me some money or I'm
Tom Selleck. By the way, tom Sellek in my house,
I actually sent away. I'm from Long Island, as you
guys know, and we have something called news Day, which
at the at the time, Newsday would have a little
section that you could write to celebrities and get their autograph.

(57:56):
And Tom Selleck was such a big deal, Like I
wrote them a whole letter and he sent me headshots
with his signature on them. That was like actually like
real ink. And I was telling you guys earlier. I
gave it to my teacher, Missus Fleming, who loved it
because he was that big of a deal. So if
somebody liked Tom Selleck, or any celebrity for that matter,

(58:17):
would call and you're feeling a little lonesome or you know,
life has gotten the best of you, You're the perfect
target for this, and I think we're only going to
see a huge uptick of this moving forward.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I agree, And they get into your head right, like
they know that Tom Selleck, to somebody who's eighty years
old or seventy nine years old, is iconic and a
trustworthy character, right, a trustworthy actor, and he is and
he is like there's you know, he is completely innocent

(58:50):
in this. By the way, how sad for him, by
the way, because now people expect him to make a
statement and stuff, and he's like, what is he supposed
to say?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
He had nothing to do with this.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
What he say, and this certainly doesn't need to be
only celebrity based, of course. I mean there's people who
forever I remember dance instructors. It used to be a
big scam a long time ago. Young handsome or good
looking dance instructures would go to elderly holmes on and hey,

(59:22):
I'm your dance inshoctor, and then they'd feel someone want
a little romance whisper in their ear and somehow get
a line.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
To their pocketbook, you know what I mean, and do it,
you know, and.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Over you know what, I'm seeing a lot on my Facebook,
of all things, I get a lot of friend requests
and you know whatever. A lot of them are saying
they're military doctors now, and I go look at their
profile and I'm like, okay, this is and then you know,
three years ago they were Nigeria and I'm like, oh,
you know, but a lot of them, I'm like a
ton of them. I would say probably three a week

(59:54):
I get and they're kidding. No, I'm not even kidding.
They're military doctors all the time. They'll they'll pretend to
be law enforcement of some kind or military doctors. And listen,
if you guys, if people are asking you to send
them gift cards, it is a scam. Do not be embarrassed.
Tell somebody the scam happen to very highly educated people.

(01:00:16):
As Courtney was mentioning, there is no embarrassment to be had.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yes, you know, no shame. There literally somebody on your vulnerability,
the people that you love, you know, please help, yes,
because you're kind and you want to help people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
They pray on that. So please, if you feel that
your your family or yourself is praying victim to this,
please talk to your family. Let somebody know so that
you know this can be this can be wrapped up.
If it sounds too good to be true, I promise
you that it is right. So well, yes, in any capacity,

(01:00:52):
in right, but.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, even in crypto too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
If they ask you to send bitcoin, bitcoin or gift
card car and it's usually like GameStop gift cards, are
Walgreens gift cards, any kind of gift card, Apple pay
gift cards, those are really big.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Don't send them. Do not send them. It's a scam.
I promise it's a scam.

Speaker 6 (01:01:13):
Well listen, stick around because after the break, we're gonna
go into a friend of Lynette Hookers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
She is the woman who is still.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Missing in the Bahamas and her friend is speaking out
about the husband, Brian's allegedly suspicious behavior. True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney
and Body. Listen, we have a talk back to get
to all things Bahamas. We still have not found Lynette Hooker.
You'll remember she's the wife and mother who was at
sea or on a boat with her husband, Brian Hooker,

(01:02:04):
who has claimed to know nothing about the incident other
than it was very tragic where she fell off the
boat allegedly with the key to the boat in her
pocket and has yet to be found. The boat has
been taken into custody, into US custody. The Bahamas authorities

(01:02:24):
are still investigating, but no Lynette Hooker has been found.
And for her daughter and her family, it's just incredibly tragic.
And we have a little bit of an update now
because one of her friends is speaking out. So before
we get there, though, let's go to a talkback. I'm
walking my.

Speaker 9 (01:02:42):
Neighborhood and listening on Tenda Needles because it's very interesting
this whole Bahamas case number one. Is it too late
to find any evidence on that boat? Maybe not, because
they can tell if there's clean up, hopefully. I have
a lot of questions because they didn't initially think criminal.
So there's that questions in my brain. Keep up the
good work.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
We have the same questions and audience too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Keep that walk going high five on the walk by
the way and the pins and needles. We are right
there with you. Can we talk about this for a moment.
I think Gina brings up a really good point. I
think you know she had mentioned is it too late
to find evidence?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I don't you know?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
We do know from talking to Joseph Scott Morgan, who
is our forensics expert, right Professor Joseph Scott Morgan. You
can find him at his wonderful podcast Body Bags, And
one of the things that we learned from him is that, yeah,
ocean and sea air can deteriorate forensic evidence, and what
investigators are likely going to focus on is like a

(01:03:45):
washing down of the boat, just like Gina mentioned, you know,
I think that's what they're really going to focus on.
Was there an exhaustive cleanup done on this boat? And
you know, a month has passed since between the time
one that hooker vanished and between the time the vote
was basically captured by the Coast Guarden toad to that

(01:04:09):
Coast Guard facility in Florida, so a month had passed.
Are they going to be able to determine what happened,
if anything, on that boat? I think it's really interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
I think it's interesting, and I think there's a distinction
between will they be able to find anything maybe and
even quite possibly, However, will it then be admissible should
any future trial come to bear? And that's got to
be a big fat no.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
That's a really good like chain of custody is going
to come into play there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
The boat was open to you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:42):
Know, yeah, anyone who wanted to walk on and plant
any evidence that may be found, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I secretly am not convinced. And again this is my
personal opinion. This is not based on new evidence or anything.
So just you know, I'm theorizing here. It just seems
in possible that how things went down according to husband
Brian Hooker, happened. Is it possible that she had her
life taken? God forbid, I hate him and saying this
out loud, but is it possible that she had her

(01:05:13):
life taken elsewhere? And this was a convenient story because again,
the currents are you know, specific there. You know, as
we've discussed in previous episodes, it it isn't totally uncommon
that her body, if in fact she was no longer
with us, would have come up to shore by now.
I guess the way this particular water way is she

(01:05:36):
just may never be found. But I don't think this
guy is so clever to be able to pull that off.
I mean, I would imagine he had to have cleaned
up and this boat would have had some evidence on it,
and I'm just not confident that this guy could pull
it off.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
You make a good point in his friend is calling
him to the carpet on that. You know, you set
it up so well earlier. You know about Lena's disappearance
and all that, so I need to repeat that. But
you know, one of the things that has happened now
is a friend of the couple recently revealed to Fox
News that he was shocked to learn that Brian Hooker

(01:06:11):
never activated this thirty three thousand dollars system and camera
system that they have on the sailboat as part of
the search. So apparently there's this thermal camera imaging system
that the boat has on it that they had installed
that detects a lot of things that Brian never offered up.

(01:06:34):
His name is Dan Danforth and he's a friend of
the couple.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
He met them while they were I think anchored next
to them at another port in the United States, I
think in Louisiana and louis So they became friends. They
became friends with a couple, and Dan Danforth said that
he got a tour of the soul meat while you know,

(01:06:57):
they were parked next to each other, and he got
to see all this equipment and it included an infrared
and heat camera system. He and by the way, I
guess he told his friend Dan a totally different story
than he told the authorities.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
That's a very big piece of invatation. Can we unpack
that too, Both of these are very big pieces of information.
But can we pause for a second just to untrack that, Yes, unpassed.
So the device so a thirty four thousand dollars piece
of equipment that's put into your boat. Again, this is
expensive stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
We have Lynette and her husband, you know, Brian, who
are her living their best life? Right, They're on a boat,
they're at the Hired Yo Hired, They're coming and going,
They're in the Bahamas, They've been to Louisiana, amongst many
many places. You know, in so many scenarios, that's the
American dream which is now seemingly turned into a nightmare.

(01:07:56):
If he had the equipment in order to find her,
why and the world would he not use that or
why in the world would he not be sharing that
information with authorities. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I'm not really familiar with what this system, the security
system is, so I don't know what its capabilities are.
But apparently the friend is this guy Daniel Danforth. He's
familiar with what the system does, and like I said,
he said he was stunned that Brian Hooker didn't offer
it up as part of the search. Yeah, so, I mean,

(01:08:30):
I believe that's a pretty big deal. If it's true, right,
it's a pretty big deal. And you know, the story
that Brian Hooker told him is is that Lynette fell
and started swimming toward the sailboat. Yeah, that's what he says. Okay,
this is what the friend says. And he thought it

(01:08:51):
was weird that Brian immediately told authorities that she was
lost at sea and that he didn't go check the
sailboat immediately, right and believing all these sex messages and
one thing too, he said he did confirm that he
spoke to a coast guard and told them about the system.

(01:09:12):
The coast guard found it very interesting and they should
be able to access the history of that system on
the boat. If they were close to the boat, it
would have tracked entrances, exits, things of that nature, so
attracts like the ins and outs of the boat, and
the coastguard is saying they should be able to come

(01:09:33):
up with data on that if there were any coming
into comings and goings. It came with the boat. It's
a high end, luxury, military grade security system. And he
went on to say if I was trying to rescue
someone the next day, it would have been a benefit
to the rescue party. That's what it does. So the

(01:09:56):
system is a pretty big deal. And the friends calling
them out to the carpet, So.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
The wrong story is insane. Also, we have to like
drop the mic there for a moment for him to
actually have a different set of circumstances around Lynette's disappearance
that are so staggeringly different the idea that he saw
her swimming versus he could never find her again and
actually had to go in a different direction on his own,

(01:10:25):
because again, the circumstances of this is so scary. Imagine
you're at sea, it's dark, You're with your beloved who
falls overboard. What do you do? Do you jump in?
I assume that you would jump in and try to
find them, But now what does that mean? Now two
people are out of the boat, now all of us
are back in, and now both of us are stranded.
So that wouldn't be a great call. What do you do?

(01:10:47):
You panic, you scream, you yell, you and his case
eventually finds his way to the shoreline, But without Lynette,
you think he would be losing his mind. Where is
Brian Hooker right now? I have seen peep from him
either here in the US?

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
And his lawyer isn't isn't making any statements to the
press either about his whereabouts last time he did her be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Caring for his mother and his mother to getting tons
of attention from him because again, even Mom, this is
her daughter in law that has now gone missing. I
don't even want to say that she's deceased because we
don't know that to be true. Maybe she is safe
in some place and confused. And I just would imagine
that Brian and her husband would be searching for her. Yeah,

(01:11:33):
I would too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
And apparently Dan Danforth, the couple's friend, feels the same way.
And you know, you mentioned the inconsistency in the story.
Maybe that's why the Bahamian Police Force picked him up
for those seven days. You know, he was held for
questioning me due to inconsistencies in his story. Maybe that's
one of them. Maybe we're just learning now what those
inconsistencies were.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
Right, recently, I was talking to Jared Farantino, are a
favorite prosecutor and now best selling author Murders, Mothers and Motivations.
By the way, but anyway, speaking with Jared Farantino about
a totally separate case, and he's like, yeah, if you
start lying about the smallest things, there is a big.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Problem, totally totally. So we're going to continue to follow
this and see it through. So stay tuned for that.
This is true crime tonight. We are on iHeartRadio. We're
talking true crime all time. You want to give us
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pretty much any topic we've been covering.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Let's go to a talkback right now.

Speaker 10 (01:12:39):
Hi, guys, Ali from Orlando. You just had the judge
Michelle on I wanted to turn you onto an Instagram
account called one Mom's Battle. Tina Swiften. Her goal in
life in general is to educate judges and lawyers about
narcissistic disorder, especially when it comes up in cases in court.

(01:13:03):
She gives away free books to new lawyers who just graduated.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I love that. Oh wow, that's major, very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
That is major, because yeah, I mean you have to
in order to, like, you know, uh, I imagine, introduce
somebody as being a narcissist and and that's why you're
fighting over custody or something. You have to introduce some
kind of expert. And guess what that costs a lot
of money, right, so expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
It's als so impossible, and we see it now in
some major cases even real time. You know, we've talked
about it here so frequently, the former Dancing with the Stars,
the Mormon uh Dakota and on her name Jordan, the
former Bachelorette correct who her show never even aired because

(01:13:53):
of this contentious you know, custody dispute that she was
having with her ex and you know videos where she
was behaving horribly in the presence of her child, and
it obviously was very abusive, and we talked about it
here where there was two sides to that. It seemed
as though she was reacting to a level of abuse
also from potentially a narcissist. So I think sometimes talking

(01:14:18):
about these cases and unpacking them at the base level
is important stuff because it's hard to really understand it
unless you see it. And I think some of those cases,
like even that one, as tragic as it was from
the former bachelorette, seeing it was kind of staggering and
took your breath away and made you mad, and you
can sort of now see how that can happen. And yes,

(01:14:41):
here's to our fantastic judge, she really knows how to
bring home the information. Judge Michelle.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
Speaking, I wanted to brag on Ava for one hot second,
and this relates back to things that are going on
in the court. Ava, would you share a little bit
of what you said last week?

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
Yes, I as I am a producer of True Crime Tonight,
but I'm also a listener and I was so inspired
by a guess that we had on a couple months ago.
I'm forgetting her name right now, but she works with
an organization called KASA, which stands for I'm blanking.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Court Appointed Special Advocates, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:15:24):
And it's essentially people who are go through a long
training process in order to be able to support foster
children as they're navigating the court system. So it's not
just lawyers kind of arguing for one side or another
or everyone kind of is there that are getting paid.
It's their job, and you know, foster children kind of

(01:15:47):
want to have someone who is there because they care
about them, not because of their dogs care about them.
And so this guest was talking about specifically how foster
children are so much more likely to fall into the
criminal justice, some in a really negative way because they
just have so little support.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
So I foster children are kind of like a soft
spot in my heart.

Speaker 8 (01:16:06):
A really cool friend of mine grew up as a
like in a foster home. So anyway, I I went
to like the first training, So did you really a
long application process and you have to like have all
these references and get approved by the courts and all
that stuff. But we're gonna we're gonna see.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Oh, I'm so proud of step one.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
I'm so proud of the interest You've got saved three
recommendations right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Here and start there planning on it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
But it's incredibly cool.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Because, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
We learned a lot about the foster care system that day,
and I was very surprised to learn that it's considered
kind of a pipeline to prison. Yes, you know, I
had no idea. So you're going to be changing someone's
life at least.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Oh you're going to get approved. I wouldn't you. You're perfect?
You're perfect? Agree, Thanks guy? Perfect? Well, stick around, we've
got more to dig into. We're going to play some
more of your talk. That's when we returned keep it
right here, True Crime Tonight. Welcome back to True Crime

(01:17:22):
Tonight and iHeartRadio. We've been talking true crime all the time.
Happy Memorial Day weekend. We hope you guys have been
having a great one. I'm Steph here with Courtney and
Body and let's go to we're talking about.

Speaker 11 (01:17:34):
Ananda from Mississippi. I'm listening to the show where he
has Jarrett Garantina line, you guys are talking about representing
yourself in court, and I gave old one body said
she would do it because I actually did do it
for Stephen Took and I was doing so good until
the very end whenever she straight up asked me Bossuton
the city and they were like, okay, but were you

(01:17:55):
Steeden And I was like, I don't recall.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
Judge was like, oh.

Speaker 11 (01:18:00):
Yeah, he got you. So anyway, he only charged me
twenty dollars for the speeding ticket instead of like it
would have been like a four hundred dollars ticket, So
I s metically one. I was okay with that and
it was worth it to me, so give.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
It a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Give it a shot. By the way, that was a
three hundred and eighty dollars savings. And I appreciate the honesty,
you know, like I don't reply under oath.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
That was great, But listen, I probably would When I
say I would do it, I mean for like something
like that. I don't think I would do it if
I was you know, facing serious charges, right, because first
of all, I'm not qualified in any capacity to represent anyone,
including myself, and especially if I'm innocent. Can you imagine

(01:18:49):
I go to prison because I didn't do things or
I didn't felt the right form and I would do
something like that. So if it's something stupid like a
speeding ticket or a parking ticket, yeah criminally, Uh, no way,
I'm getting a lawyer, No way, Jose. But good for
you for saving yourself all that money.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
I think you should be very proud of yourself for
showing up and doing all the things, and yeah, having
a good lawyer accounts. But if you can swing it
by yourself. Have you guys ever seen that video? It's
like a viral video on Instagram or something where and
I think we've talked about it before. I don't know why.
I find it's so so funny where the man gets
pulled over for allegedly drunk driving and the police officer

(01:19:27):
is a female and she, rather than making him count
or do the alphabet, she makes him like do a
dance and she does her own little kickball chain little
dance and she's like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Okay, yeah, I think it's Reno nine one one. Isn't
it from that show?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I don't know it's real. No, no, it's real, it's not.
I'm gonna find it right now, let's look, let's look,
see it's real right now. No, it's not Ai, it's
a skit. And then he does the dance and at
the end he was like, not bad for a drunk.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
I think it's Rena on nine one one. I think
it's a TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Oh, let's see. I don't think so well, I'm I'm
wrong often.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
So it's funny and it's great. It's funny and it's great.
It doesn't matter. Yeah, if it's really or not, it's
funny and it's great. But yeah, that would be me
a hundred percent. I think do a little kickball team
trying to sway.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
The judge to let me go, let me go. Yeah,
you have another talk back?

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Hey, Oh it's Flita from Virginia. I just wanted to
say that I just finished watching The Crash and oh
my goodness, at the end of that movie, I cried
and cried.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
That smile on.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Those boys faces, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah, it's a really sad story.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I mean three young people essentially, you know, I mean
two lost their life and one is not getting out
of her anytime soon. So three young lives basically ended.
It's it's horrific. It's a horrific story.

Speaker 6 (01:21:08):
Yeah, and that's it's referring back to a Netflix documentary
called The Crash And there was a girl seventeen at
the time, Mackenzie Shrilla, who was driving at one hundred
miles an hour when she crashed her car into like
directly into a wall, and very sadly that resulted in

(01:21:29):
the death of her boyfriend Dominic Russo and their friend
Davian Flanagan. And it talks, you know, what it does
is explore that case. And yes, you are correct that
they're smiling faces of the now deceased boys or will
wrench any heart.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
But you know, last week we were talking about like
the family wasn't represented, but the sister, his sister, I
can't remember whose sister it was, but she was excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I thought so too. And they have now had video,
even some BODYCM video of the parents being told about
the loss of their children, and it's awful like hearing
that real time and mom and dad's reaction or even
in one particular case, mom's reaction is so heart wrenching.
By the way, you guys were right, were youno nine

(01:22:22):
to one one? Yeah? I stand was Wait, so this
was completely scripted.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Listen, you can't be in the world when you get
When you get older, I'm making you give me all your.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Credit cards and Courtney knows all of my passwords.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
I say.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
I was like, yeah, the light over one, two, three,
exclamation point. I had to change it at some point. No, yeah,
that is terrible, Tom Selleck, do not call me. I'll
give you all my money.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
If somebody called me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
It was like ava something and you got to see
it right now and don't tell anybody because she can't
get in trouble. I'd be like, oh, I'm up, I'm good.
I'll keep this secret to the day I die and
listen in cash no problem. And then there you are
down the rabbit hole getting screwed. Yeah, anyway, that's what
hap continue. Yes, and the crash. Have you guys watched
it yet? Yes? I watched it. What do you guys think?

(01:23:20):
Was she guilty or innocent? I think she's guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
But again I know that you know, uh that this
is a Netflix document. They probably left some things out
right because you can't fit everything in, right, you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Can have You only had so much time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
You only have so much time. And I haven't gone
through the case personally and looked at any documents or
anything like that. But it's the documentary itself seemed pretty
convincing to me. But if I'm just going on that,
which I rarely do, then yeah, I think she's guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
But I'd have to look personally. Let's get another talk
back or actually, but yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:24:00):
Hey everyone, I just wanted to do a quick comment
on Steve Shrilla from The Crash. He can complain all
he wants about the film's editing, but nobody made him
wear a shirt that says boom on it when it's
a documentary about someone who died in a car crash.
Mister tone death.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Thanks guys, Yes, yeah, could not agree more.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
And we talked about this kind of you know, you
guys make documentaries. I was in a documentary, so we
know you know from first hand experience how wardrobe works. Right,
you wear what you want and they say, yeah, you're
nay to that in most cases. Right, he showed up
to that documentary shoot wearing a boom shirt. Now, this

(01:24:47):
is the father of Mackenzie Shrilla, the woman accused of
murder in that horrific car crash. If you're the father
of her and you're trying to proclaim her innocence, wouldn't
you wear like a nice button up or tie even
show some respect. This guy's wearing a shirt with boom
on it. Tone deaf is an understatement.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Yeah, it's so true. Tone deaf times a thousand.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
Yeah, I totally agree with I'll talk about you got.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Some DM Let's get some dms going AVA. Yes, okay,
I love oh last bit she Those dms are coming close.
But while we're waiting on AVA with a little bit
of a tech issue, Oh there she is.

Speaker 8 (01:25:35):
I wanted to read some of the dms that I
get because I'm special when I get to have them
on my phone. And we got some really nice ones
in the past couple of week days that I don't
think you guys have seen yet, so I wanted to
share the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
It's very timely.

Speaker 8 (01:25:49):
We got a DM from Julie who said, hey, True
Crime besties, I'm over here building my crime com schedule
and in all caps, body, where.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Are you Julie? So cute?

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Yeah, so I'm apparently Courtney and Taha and I are
going to be at crime Con.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
It starts Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
There's a lot there's like a nineties launch party on
Thursday night that I'm going to, and then on Friday
and Saturday, I'm gonna be running around, you know whatever.
But Saturday nights, I am presenting a Clue Award for
I believe it's best TV Documentary series. So I will

(01:26:34):
definitely be at the Clue Awards and I'll be presenting
there and I'll be wearing a maybe a fancy dress.
I probably won't be wearing heels for sure, So I
got to figure something out that I can wear the
award show. And Courtney, you should probably probably bring something
fancy to wear.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Two.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Oh, I think Courtney might be my plus one. I
think Courtney might be my plus one. I'm asking her
out live on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Oh what and not, by the way, you guys should
definitely wear flats and you're going I care. I'm gonna
be so there in spirit, but yeah, body is like
the mayor of Crime Con, sosay there looking fabulous and
running a butt. And I can't imagine Taha and Courtney

(01:27:21):
in tow It's going to be quite the scene.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
I'm going to such a thing, and I want to
tell everybody, if you're not used to Las Vegas in
the summer, make sure you bring chapstick. Number one most
important thing that you can bring chapstick in some lotion.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
It is dry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
We have like almost no humidity, and if you're from
like Florida or something, you're gonna die with another. Your
skin is going to crack, your lips are gonna hurt.
You might even get a bloody nose.

Speaker 6 (01:27:47):
I was going to say, bring a little nose spray
along with that chapstick, not to get common off. Yes,
common off a plane and then being in Vegas with
the air conditioning to heat the dry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
A lot of people ry show out bloody noses. Yeah,
so just you know and listen. Dressed casually. I'm going
to be wearing like Vans tennis shoes on, like a
sun dress. I ain't getting dressed up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Wait, did you get a bloody nose getting off the
plane because it's so hot and dry. I always assumed
people in Las Vegas that were getting bloody noses, we're
all doing drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:28:18):
I would kind of joke because I would get a
bloody nose every time I went, and I I have
actually never do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Not on that list. I know people who are rounding
around running a rampant doing drugs in Vegas. So seriously,
you would get that from just the dry air well
because you just you don't have those moistures that you're
used to, and your skin cracks a little bit. Depends
on how long you're here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
When I first moved here, I moved here in August
in the nineties and the late nineties, and it was
like one hundred and twelve degrees one hundred and seventeen
something like that. And that first week I was here,
I was so sick from it being so hot and dry,
and I came from the California coast where it's it's
like a little bit of humidity, very tepid, and so

(01:29:03):
when I got here, my skin and my nose, oh,
and I had cracked lips. I had never experienced anything
like that before. So bring some chrapstick, you guys. Let's
go to another DM.

Speaker 8 (01:29:16):
Yeah, okay, so this one's really nice. I can't wait
for you guys to hear it. So this is a
DM from Tanja and she's a classic. She's part of
our true creme checker. She says, Hello, TCT crew, It's
Tanja from just outside Nashville. I don't have a comment
on any specific topics. I just want to say that
as a listener from episode one, you guys are all

(01:29:38):
caps the best podcast out there. I think so because
each of you have such distinct personalities that compliment each
other so well. Okay, then here we go with the
specific compliments. Stephanie and her eternal optimism is refreshing body
with her analytical and beautiful mind, and Coordny with her
just the facts, and then I will form an opinion mindset.

(01:29:59):
You formed the perfect team taha. Sam and Adam included.
And can I just say I love Courtney's laugh and
when she says be good or be good at it,
it just makes my day. Sorry for the long DM,
but one final note, I love my allegedly allegedly allegedly sweatshirt.
Maybe next time around you something with oof.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
You guys so nice and is so lovely. We have
the nicest crew.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Yeah, that was so nice, and I think that I
think that we do make a good team. We're so different,
all of us, right, but we respect each other's opinions.
We let each other have their voice. Yeah, and I
think we do compliment one another. And I feel like,
you know, she was so on spot, Stephanie with her

(01:30:46):
eternal optimism. Oh it's a force of literal force of nature.
Like she's always so kind and giving and thoughtful. And
of course Courtney, she's very stoic. She just sits back
and waits for the facts, lets them come in, and
then and only then once she knows everything does she

(01:31:06):
form a very educated opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
And I respect the of that mm hmmm. And then
you also analyzing the world. I mean again, we all
bring different things at the table, but that's all. We
have the fun and all of you listeners who have
been participating so kindly, I mean, we can't say enough
great things. So thank you for being so devoted. Yes,
thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (01:31:28):
It's very cool that we get to be part of
your days. It's like a real cool honor that we do.
And thank you for reaching out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Yeah, thank you. What should we do now? One more? DM?
Can we sneaky sneak?

Speaker 8 (01:31:44):
This one's This one's for body too, it says, well,
I think body will appreciate it. This is Liz from Washington,
originally from Michigan. She has a dog named Annie Arber.
DM goes from Annie Arber's Instagram account, just largely Staddy
arbor House grown Instagram account. And she said, I just

(01:32:06):
want to let Boddy know that Detroit officially announced it's
getting a PWHL team, and I don't know what this
means at all. And while she could keep her v
g K for the men, she's better Detroit fan for
the women.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
What does that mean? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
So it's the Professional Women's Hockey League, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
And we got one in Vegas too. It's it's it's
branching out.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
And by the way, Vegas Golden Knights are playing in
the Western Conference Final against the Colorado Avalanche right now.
I literally have the game on my phone. I'm looking
at it because we might win the Stanley Cup. But listen,
Detroit Red Wings my number one team, number one team,
Detroit Win Wings.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
BGK is number two. That's so exciting. I go the distance,
sending good vibes, definitely sending good vibes. Thank you everybody
for being with us tonight. We'll be back on Tuesday
and have the best Memorial Day, hopefully proper time off,
and we are sending a proverbial hug to all of you,

(01:33:03):
have a good good night, good night,