May 8, 2026 • 28 mins
Dolores is back with Survivor 48 contestant Shauhin Davari to gain perspective on Ozzy’s fatal mistakes… Are his loved one’s letters to blame?! Did Shauhin experience something similar?
How often do challenges experience errors like this? What does that look like behind the scenes?
Plus, Cirie may be the only person in Survivor history to perfectly execute an extra vote. Is there any possible way she could win this game?!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to by Order of the Faithfuls,
and we are recapping Survivor season fifty, episode eleven with
Shaheen Jafari, one of the best players of all time.
And you are going to love this interview.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I got a laugh at that. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I love, but I think you are because I love
how you break things down mentally. That's my thing.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, I appreciate would I will I all would have
to push back in frid I'm not even in my
top fifty players of all time, so but.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I will me it's my opinion. I'm allowed to own.
Don't tell a housewife they can't say what they want.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Amen, I know better. I know better, that's for sure. No,
definitely don't want any of the smoke at all.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I know you don't want this. I know you don't
want the smoke, but you can take the compliment. And
I mean, I just enjoy you. I enjoy hearing what
you have to say about it. And so it's so
funny because in our interview before, we were talking about
Rick dancing. So it starts off by Rick is dancing
around the entire island after collecting the mister Beasts immunity idol. Yeah,
(01:09):
I mean, what do you think about this dancing?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think this is probably the sole that makes Rick
excellpluence television and the same type of thing that makes
it almost impossible for Rick to win the game because
exactly the way that you have to kind of neutralize
your threat profile doesn't jive with the way that Rick
(01:33):
wants to enjoy playing Survivor. And I love that all
of this is based on his wife, Like, how cool
that this is all based on the letters from home
and the strategy that him and his wife designed before
they went in there. Because at the end of the day,
you have a one and twenty four shot at winning Survivor,
and if you don't then and if you don't win
(01:54):
and then you didn't have fun, then it's awful. Right
then it's really terricause you didn't enjoy one of the
coolest experiences of your life.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And many people want to do and don't get to do.
You almost feel guilty that you made it. I felt guilty.
I made it on Traders.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I have guilty.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It was the best time of my life. But sometimes
I feel like, wow, I got to do it. You know,
It's something.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I love that Rick brings that. I love that he
brings that type of thing.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Rick does bring that energy. Then you have Joe who's
so mad at him.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh, I think that Joe is actually
not that mad a thing. I think that that's a
little bit of gameplay. Oh okay. The little bit of
it is him going like, look at this guy, he's
show voting, look.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
At how Okay, So that's gameplay. Okay, so he's not
just being a hypocrite.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah. I don't think that there's any question that it's
a game. I think that Joe's reaction to the showboating
nature is hey, how do I make this guy get
voted out? Like I don't I don't want to be
around him. He is shift beat and Joe was right.
(03:04):
Later in the same episode, Devin's is talking about getting
rid of Joe and that being a big move. It's
a game that is designed to make you emotional. You
don't have food, you're not sleeping well, you're surrounded by
people who are sharks. Joe doesn't have a number one. Yeah,
there's it's uncomfortable. And Joe does not have a number
(03:26):
one in the game. Right now, there's not a single
person who would say Joe's their number one in the game.
Everybody else has someone they're shocked up with. And yeah,
he is an emotional dude. You hear Sari talking about
having to try and manage his emotions. And I think
one of the interesting things is that I think being
emotional is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He's really emotional. I mean, I'm not emotional shoying, because
I know that's the demise. No my, yeah, no, I
never cried. No, they call me in the black cul
No really, I inside, but you'll never see it. I
haven't cried in years. Yeah, so Joe's getting on my nerves.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh honey, I want you to have a good cry. Yeah, yeah,
I love it about him.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I love no time for that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Wrong man. He's on television and he is emotional, and
he's not angry. He's emotional.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
He's don't but I'm afraid for him that it's gonna
And then here comes Ozzie. He's emotional too, for sure.
So shaheen. That's what I mean. When your feelings get
involved and you start to the emotions get involved, and
how could they not. You're depleted of everything, stripped of
every single thing, of every comfort and it's got to
(04:41):
get to you. But does that not get in the
way of your how you have to.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Think, No, that is definitely the name of the game.
That's the name of the game is keeping your emotions
and chef enough to execute your strategy and exert your
agency over other And that's very really hot. I mean, look,
a letter from home kind of cost Ozen the game.
It kind of you know, in a way.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, because then he he dropped his guard, talked about
his plans. It got him in the end.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's what cost me the game too, like waining the
loved one. Letters cost me the game. For sure. There's
a lot of things right, like butterflys act. But absolutely
one of those things was my guard came down. After
having my belly fall, all of a sudden, I read
the letter from my mom and I lost my mind,
and all of a sudden, I'm spilling tea that I
never would have spilled otherwise, and the same things and
(05:35):
I never would have said otherwise.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Persian moms and their sons.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I know.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I know it well because I'm the same thing with
my little Frankie. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, number one, Oh
my god, he cost me every day, Thank god, and
I assume all the time I'm his number one go
to and I'll always and that's okay. The wife gets it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
How lucky here to have a mom like that. That's amazing,
that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I see my mom almost every day. As it's so,
I'm actually at my mom's house. Why I record podcasts
and stuff is inside mom's house.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Then I know she's happy.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Got the extra bedroom.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Then Mom's happy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That makes her day. She could see you every day totally.
And you walk out the room, you walk back in,
it's like she hasn't seen you for a year. I'm
telling you right now, I know it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm very lucky that it's like that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yes, very blessed. And that's why I understand how that
letter got to you. And you know, Ozzie, first of all,
let's talk about the nightmare. He got a sign? Now,
you know we believe in this stuff. You can't deny this.
You can't deny this. Why did he not listen to
the sign?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I got a sign too on my day I got
you did, tell me, absolutely did.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It was the first day. Every single day out there,
I in the mornings would open my palms towards what
I thought was home because of where the sun was
coming up in the morning, and I would accept energy
from my people back home every single morning at sunrise.
(07:11):
They knew what time to send energy, to send good vibes,
to send calories, or anything that they could think of.
And the only day that I didn't do it was
day twenty three, and I went home on Day twenty three.
I just I was in the sanctuary and the sun
had already come up, and so it was already done
by the time we woke up, and I missed it.
I missed my window to to accept my energy and
(07:33):
my vibes from home. So yeah, I came out of
the routine and bust the loved one's letters and that's
that's all she wrote. But it was cool. It was
a cool thing to experience out there. Yeah, very me cool.
And Ozzie kind of nailed that as well, right. Ozzie
kind of said that like she got a little bit
of closure with his pops out there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Which was nice. I'm sure. I'm sure things happened like
that during these times. I'll tell you and make it quick,
not about traders, like I hate to bring it up
because we're talking about Survivor. But when you're not filming,
you have to be alone, no phone, and it's just
you and yourself. And I didn't want to leave that
place when I was done. Yeah, I love the seclusion.
(08:16):
I love the lack of the phone. Of course, I
know I have people at home I have to get to,
but it was so peaceful just to be in that place.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Lauris three days without my pune when we were at pregame.
I have a journal entry it says I'm three days
away from my phone and I feel sharp and clearer,
and my mind is more focused and able to focus
than I've ever experienced, right, And it's just it's a
(08:46):
crazy thing that it just takes three days for us
for our brain to rehab and have that reset. And yeah,
it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Moving to the challenge, Tiff wins the challenge but then
loses it. Yeah, yeah, she loses it, and she took
it well. I I thought, you know, there was no pushback.
Jeff said, do you trust me? And She's like yeah,
and then Jonathan won. He was so I mean the
shock on their faces, but uh, yeah, no, the challenges, the.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Hard summon to actually Jeff's level of professionalism that he
doesn't miss like it's crazy because people think he hasn't
hear piece in or something. He has no here piece in.
He doesn't clean like there is no your piece in,
Not during tribal, not during challenges, not when he's supposed
to be saying the lines for what the challenge is.
And the dude does not do a second take, like
(09:49):
he does not have to go twice. It is unbelievable.
It is so professional and is a true pro.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's that is because even when he's explaining the challenges
holding stuff, he doesn't he's does. I always thought he
had some type of earpiece because they can't imagine. Well,
we get to tribal tonight and the players will be
in tribal. The players will be split into two small
groups of four. They draw rocks and the groups are Tip,
Emily Suri and Rick, Ozzie, Joe Rizzo and Aubrey Jonathan.
(10:19):
And Jonathan loves having this power and so does his
pex of course, because you know, I never saw and
somebody flex their pecks on that that big what is
it a phoenix?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It looks like, yeah, yeah, it's a phoenix.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Crazy, But were you surprised he won this challenge because
he's so big.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, I'm surprised Ozzie didn't win this challenge just
because I think he is like a total balanced dude.
Jonathan being that big, I actually think maybe kind of
helped him a little bit because the weight kind of
pushed him down in the water is not as bouncy
in the water, that makes sense, And he won it
on his last season too, and I thought the same
thing then. But I mean, Jonathan's a challenge to be
(11:02):
He's for sure, He's definitely a talented challenge competitor. So
not not super surprised here. I am surprised at how
much power it came with though. That the ability to
go back and forth between the beaches, you're controlling the
flow of information. You're the one that's able to kind
of steer both votes. And then you get to vote
twice at tribal. And it's not just twice at tribal,
because it'd be one thing to vote at two tribals
(11:23):
that were ten people big. It's twice at two four
person tribals. So your vote power, your voting power is
more powerful than it would have if all nine people
were there right right and on top of that, it's
even double the power because now we're in two groups
of four, so a really an advantage that really compounded
(11:44):
a ton and gives Jonathan, I think, a ton of
leverage to say he took two people out in one
cell swoop of winning immunity. He survived two votes with
one community, so the challenge to win totally. And you know,
you feel for Tiss because she thought she won, but
the video clearly shows that she did not.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
She didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, clear as day. And yeah, I do think that
that part is a testament to Jeff's professionalism and knowing
that Jeff's not going to get something wrong like that. No,
that's what gives you the Lee way to be like, yeah,
whatever it fine, I trust you. Happened on my season two,
Actually did it looked like Joe? Yeah, Joe had won
a fifth challenge on our season, which is you know,
(12:27):
the record, and it turned out that one of the
puzzle pieces was just turned around the other way, so
he had to uncall it and Camilla one and so yeah,
that that did happen on our season. It happens every
once in a while.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh, they catch it, at least we know that they
catch it and you know that's it.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, that's why they have standards and practices there.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well, they have to. It's the right thing. So would
you think in group one when Emily tries to pull
this fast one, like, did you think anyone was going
to fall for it?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
You know what would you have.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Fell for it?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I actually want to talk about SII here that there
is another edit on the edit room floor that I
know is out there, like with I mean, I don't
know because anyone's told me, but I know by watching
the game that there is an edit where Saria is
talking about how she's going to use her second vote.
And the reason I think we don't see it is
because I Suri starts talking about it. We know what happens.
(13:20):
What happened at Tribal was Sari voted with her extra vote,
which is famously a useless advantage in Survivor all but useless. Okay,
it basically never gets used. Bradtly, this is the first
time Suri's ever had an advantage in Survivor. She plays it,
and she knew she was going to play it, so
(13:41):
she played it in Border to cast two votes on
I think it was Emily. Then we have two votes
on Devon's, then we have their two votes on Suri.
This is what saves Serie in the game. And so
I know there's an edit of her talking about how
she knows she's safe because as she has the double vote,
(14:02):
which means that they tie no matter what, and one
of them goes home on the revote. That is a
you ship play from sire And we didn't get to
see her develop it because if we would have seen
it for a second, we would have known she was safe.
That's not good drama, But I do wish that I
(14:22):
could have seen the cutting room floor on her realizing
I'm safe tonight. As long as I play this useless advantage,
I'm safe tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So it's the first time she's actually safe.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
First, I mean, essentially, yeah, she never had an advantage before,
and so she played a I can't tell you like
this disadvantage comes up in almost every season and it's
I mean, I think maybe one in eight is it
ever used to actually save the person that is supposed
to be going home? It never, It never happens, and
(14:57):
she used it to perfectionate her first time having an
advantage in the game. I would have liked to see
more of her strategic mind on that, because I know
for sure there's there's those slips out there, juicy clips
of Suri breaking down how it doesn't matter that's Emily's
right or wrong. She's going home, you know what I mean,
Like that's it. Yeah, yeah, only if Devin's whoever plays that,
(15:18):
whoever Devon's is dumb enough to play the idols, her
gets to stay home, so it doesn't matter. Emily genius
plan but foiled because Surien doesn't have to play with you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Nice try and you know what it was just it
was just happenstance that it happened that way.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, totally, And it was a nice try. I think
that's big said. I think that they even said that.
I think it was her best.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It was her best. She was she She's like, eh,
I tried, you know, She's like, eh, well, there you go.
So to Ozzie's convinced that Aubrey's going home tonight, so
he confesses his whole game to her. Azzie Ozzy Ozzie
doesn't know strategy. Was Suri just carrying him through the
game until this point.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You think, I don't think that you get carried in
the game of survivor. Now, having been out there, I
think if I hadn't gone out there and I was
sitting here as an armchair expert, I think I would
say yeah. But I don't think that's how it works
out there. You provide something to the team and the
team is moving forward. That's kind of how alliances work.
(16:25):
Does someone have more strategic bona fides? For sure? I don't.
I don't think Ozzie would disagree. Sores the strategic mastermind,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He was so sad when he left. That was I
think that was the hardest leave the whole time, Like
he was felt so betrayed. And then you know, we
looked like Rizzo's like, you just talked too much, bro.
It was like the end of a mob movie, right
before you got to kill your friend for talking. You know,
I've seen that. That's what I felt like. Of course,
(16:52):
it was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Very that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It was sure, you talk too much. And here's Serie saying,
I hope that Rizzo gives him the heads up. Ye,
And Rizzo was smart. I mean, I'm Rizzo's in the
game now. He can't feel sorry for his friend to
do the right thing. So he knew, he knew he
jeopardized himself. He was Jerry compromising.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Bro, don't Jerry manage. Don't you to do that. You
don't need to do that. Survivor players that are gonna
go out there and play, you don't need to do
jury management on their way out. It's too late, So
don't do it on the way out. Waity, Like it's
too late. You either did it before the vote or
you didn't do it, But don't do it like there.
And you're giving her amma in like two hours. I
(17:36):
don't have a problem really with Ozzie doing that, to
be honest, if he had done it five minutes before
they went to tribal, if he had pulled her aside
without her having more time. He did it in the
middle of the day. Bro, Wait wait right, wait, you're
you're you're you're jumping the gun here.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
If you would have given it, if you would have
said it before she could got to everybody else.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And you want to do a little bit of dream
management on the way out on the very last minute. Okay, sure, Well,
you're giving Aubrey a player who is you know, it's
a crazy strategist. You're giving her way too much information
for her to go be able to play with and
she's gonna go play.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh she did too, she.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Went and played it, and good for her.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, that's the game. So Sirah uses her extra vote tonight,
so it's a tie between her and Emily. They have
to do a revote, which was crazy, and Emily's voted
out the second time. Were you on the edge of
your seat at all with this or no? All?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The survivor in me was bummed that we didn't see
Shari talking about how she was going to use the
double vote, but the survival stand was thinking that. The
survivor player in me was like, she's using the extra vote, Like, well,
you know, yeah, she's too smart to not use the
extra vote.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
She's not going home, right, And between the two of them,
you already knew she wasn't going home. You weren't on
the edge of your seat, right. So then you have
Joe Aubrey, Rizzo and Ozzie arrive at tribal. Next Ozzie
does not play his idol and he's voted out with
it in his pocket again, the same thing as Dream
warned him about.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The same thing that he's done before.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Fulfilling prophecy shit totally.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Self filling prophecy type shit. Do I blame Rizzo? No,
I blame Ozzy. I blame the person that Ozzie would
blame in this scenario. Right, the guy is he is
no stranger to the game, and he can take it.
He is a man that does not mind taking accountability
for making a mistake. And isn't that beautiful, Like, isn't
that the coolest thing in life?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's in general, and.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
A man taking accountability and being like, I did it again,
all right, well I'm gonna keep on, keep it on.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
So it's my fault. I did it again. I knew
what I was doing, and I can only blame myself.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And like, I don't I think Ozzy would blame Rizza.
I think he would say it was a game move,
and he would be that He's sad for sure, as
he should be, as we are entitled to be when
our dreams come to an end. And you know, I
got to say, like that guy, that guy Oz, and
he's grown up on television. He was doing this stuff
back in his twenties and having to deal with crazy
(20:20):
people on the internet for a long time, for a
long time, and I thought his exit was actually super
graceful to pull to see someone be emotional about losing
the game. He really cares about Survivor. Who cares about
the game. The game has helped make him who he is.
And I really appreciated how Ozzie played the game. I
(20:42):
appreciated the way that he handled himself out there. Certainly
he was one of my favorite players. When I was,
you know, watching the show for the first time, I
wanted to be like Ozzie that, you know. I remember thinking,
if I ever got on Survivor, I have to make
sure that I dives like Ozzy. I don't want to
die and embarrass myself like the way most people dive
(21:02):
off platforms and shit in Survivor. And I remember seeing
the comment when I had my dive on Survivor. I
remember seeing the comment like this, dude's like Ozzy.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Oh and there the coolest thing, Like so cool to
be like that.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I wanted that comparison for.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Sure, cushioned it for you, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Nice, exactly what I was going for. And to watch
him play this season was really awesome. To hear his
conversation about Yeah, he felt feels like he gave his
father a little too hard of a time is an
experience that I had myself. I felt like I gave
my father a little bit too hard of a time
sometimes and didn't understand exactly what was going on and
why he had to do things that he did. And
(21:42):
when you get older and you reach your father's age,
you start to think in some of the ways and
you're like, wow, okay, you know that genetics thing has
passed through to me. I can feel my dad in
a weird way now. And that's what Ozzie was feeling
out there. He was feeling austen And we learned that day, right,
we learned that last night. But he wasn't talking about
Oscar like a different version of him. He's talking about Oscar,
(22:05):
his dad. That version is what she was playing as
and like.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The garious guy that everybody loved. And yeah, and mine
and mine. So you know, it's he left there with
more than he came with, whether he won or not.
And and you know, I think it's a great note
to end on because I think if you just as survivor,
(22:31):
if you go there and you're able to do all
these things and all these you know, things happen, like
you channel your energy and you find yourself and you
find things in yourself that you didn't even think you
could do or survive, right, And I think that if
you ever make it there, you were meant to be there.
And I think that, like in Nazzie's case, he it
(22:54):
was time for him to go home because what he
needed to do there happened. That's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It is a crazy end of that episode, considering Emily
went home on the same day last time she played,
and Ozzy goes home in the same way she went
home last time. Like, that's crazy that history repeats itself.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's so crazy. But I can't help but think there
was something different about that. This one hit different from me,
especially because he had the dream and because he he
had this you know thing with his dad. And anyway,
I loved it, and I loved talking about this with you.
I thought it was great. I'd love to have you
back and let everybody know where they could find you.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh, you can find me on Instagram at Shahin Davari
and you can also find me at EDC. Next week,
I'm doing a Survivor thou a vent at Can't bec
from six to eight pm on the Thursday, And I
don't know. If you need communication coaching youlouder dot org,
if you have a conference coming up, a podcast, if
you want to get better at representing yourself, have a
(23:59):
communication coach in mind. It should be me. I'm bad
ass at it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I vouch for you. I mean I vouch for you.
If that was something I was looking to do, you'd
be the guy. Yeah, I got a guy. Now, when
I know someone's looking for that, tell them I got
a guy.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I love it. Oh my god, what an honor. I
feel blessed. And no Dolores's list, Okay, I am Dolorous's speech. Hey,
anytime you if you ever have to, I have a
YouTube series coming out later this maybe September, where I
do like a deep dive with someone who wants to
(24:35):
create like a keynote talk with a thirty minute TED
talk or a thirty minute keynote or whatever. And I'm
doing a deep dive with one person and on their talk,
and it's gonna be basically showing how something like that
comes together. And Dolores, if you ever wanted to do
a TED talk, I would love to help you with
a TED talk if you ever wanted to deal a
(24:56):
keynote speech, I would love to help you develop that speech.
That'd be fun as hell for me.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So you think it's it would be like my fair lady,
teach me how to talk. And because I'm like the.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Worst, I wouldn't do that, because no, you're not. You're
an incredible speaker. I've seen you lose it on people
and not stutter a single word. You are an excellent presence.
I would not change a single thing about you. I
would give you structure and the internalized structure that you
could hold that would forever impact your ability to speak
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in a clear way, with a clear message for an
audience that's like, wait a second, I'm sitting here to
really soak in everything that she is saying, and having
that prepared style speech with the internalization eventually affects your
regular speech as well. You're impromptu speaking. You're an incredible speaker,
(25:49):
incredible presence, and I wouldn't do a single thing to
touch any of that, because that's where most speech coaches
go wrong, vacation coaches that try to change who you are.
This is not the way. The way is to give
them the tools, the internalized structure, the ability to manage
the anxiety and the structure of the speeches that allows
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people to be engaging and allows audiences to engage with
them where they're at.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So important because I think so many people are limited
to their success because they don't know how to articulate
how they want to speak or and a lot of
it comes from childhood. Shahan like you were told to
be you were stupid, you were told to shut up.
I mean, this is a whole nother story. And so
many adults these days walking in my age because there
was a different way of parenting back then. So many
(26:37):
people around my age have a problem with that. So
when this YouTube happens, I would love to promote it
because I think it would helps I know, I'm not kidding.
I would love to promote it and because I think
it could help so many people in my position, because
I know when I was growing up in the seventies,
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you really want and talk, to speak, speak your mind
and articulate your feelings.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And I think one of the like if I could
say like one last thing on it, I think one
of the weird things about speech and kind of the
reason that I like to do it so much is
you're you're like a dirty little secret sometimes because No
one wants to admit they got help on a speech
because they feel like, oh, but then I didn't write it.
That's not what speech coaches do. We don't write the
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thing for you. We can if that's what you're looking for,
But most of the time we're collaborators. It's so much
more fun to do a project with someone who's a collaborator,
who's going to help bring out the best parts of you.
I help you put them on paper and ide eight
with you and have a blast like figuring it all
out and oh, okay, cool, how are we going to
highlight this part of you? You're good at ranting? Where
(27:45):
are we going to put a rant in your speech?
You're good at telling jokes? Cool? What are we going
to open with? That's a joke for you? That's the
type of stuff that I think most people miss. And
you know, Steph Curry has a shooting coach. Doesn't matter
how good you are, you've get a coach that's.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Right, yeah, because you could always be better.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Always be better.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
All right, Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, they're lucky to have you, so and so are we.
And I can't wait this comes till this comes down
and I can't wait to watch the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't I don't thank you, Mom. I said, Hi,
I will, I will, sho'll be thrilled.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Bye.
Hey, everybody, welcome back to by Order of the Faithfuls,
and we are recapping Survivor season fifty, episode eleven with
Shaheen Jafari, one of the best players of all time.
And you are going to love this interview.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I got a laugh at that. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I love, but I think you are because I love
how you break things down mentally. That's my thing.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, I appreciate would I will I all would have
to push back in frid I'm not even in my
top fifty players of all time, so but.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I will me it's my opinion. I'm allowed to own.
Don't tell a housewife they can't say what they want.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Amen, I know better. I know better, that's for sure. No,
definitely don't want any of the smoke at all.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I know you don't want this. I know you don't
want the smoke, but you can take the compliment. And
I mean, I just enjoy you. I enjoy hearing what
you have to say about it. And so it's so
funny because in our interview before, we were talking about
Rick dancing. So it starts off by Rick is dancing
around the entire island after collecting the mister Beasts immunity idol. Yeah,
(01:09):
I mean, what do you think about this dancing?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think this is probably the sole that makes Rick
excellpluence television and the same type of thing that makes
it almost impossible for Rick to win the game because
exactly the way that you have to kind of neutralize
your threat profile doesn't jive with the way that Rick
(01:33):
wants to enjoy playing Survivor. And I love that all
of this is based on his wife, Like, how cool
that this is all based on the letters from home
and the strategy that him and his wife designed before
they went in there. Because at the end of the day,
you have a one and twenty four shot at winning Survivor,
and if you don't then and if you don't win
(01:54):
and then you didn't have fun, then it's awful. Right
then it's really terricause you didn't enjoy one of the
coolest experiences of your life.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And many people want to do and don't get to do.
You almost feel guilty that you made it. I felt guilty.
I made it on Traders.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I have guilty.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It was the best time of my life. But sometimes
I feel like, wow, I got to do it. You know,
It's something.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I love that Rick brings that. I love that he
brings that type of thing.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Rick does bring that energy. Then you have Joe who's
so mad at him.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh, I think that Joe is actually
not that mad a thing. I think that that's a
little bit of gameplay. Oh okay. The little bit of
it is him going like, look at this guy, he's
show voting, look.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
At how Okay, So that's gameplay. Okay, so he's not
just being a hypocrite.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah. I don't think that there's any question that it's
a game. I think that Joe's reaction to the showboating
nature is hey, how do I make this guy get
voted out? Like I don't I don't want to be
around him. He is shift beat and Joe was right.
(03:04):
Later in the same episode, Devin's is talking about getting
rid of Joe and that being a big move. It's
a game that is designed to make you emotional. You
don't have food, you're not sleeping well, you're surrounded by
people who are sharks. Joe doesn't have a number one. Yeah,
there's it's uncomfortable. And Joe does not have a number
(03:26):
one in the game. Right now, there's not a single
person who would say Joe's their number one in the game.
Everybody else has someone they're shocked up with. And yeah,
he is an emotional dude. You hear Sari talking about
having to try and manage his emotions. And I think
one of the interesting things is that I think being
emotional is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He's really emotional. I mean, I'm not emotional shoying, because
I know that's the demise. No my, yeah, no, I
never cried. No, they call me in the black cul
No really, I inside, but you'll never see it. I
haven't cried in years. Yeah, so Joe's getting on my nerves.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh honey, I want you to have a good cry. Yeah, yeah,
I love it about him.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I love no time for that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Wrong man. He's on television and he is emotional, and
he's not angry. He's emotional.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
He's don't but I'm afraid for him that it's gonna
And then here comes Ozzie. He's emotional too, for sure.
So shaheen. That's what I mean. When your feelings get
involved and you start to the emotions get involved, and
how could they not. You're depleted of everything, stripped of
every single thing, of every comfort and it's got to
(04:41):
get to you. But does that not get in the
way of your how you have to.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Think, No, that is definitely the name of the game.
That's the name of the game is keeping your emotions
and chef enough to execute your strategy and exert your
agency over other And that's very really hot. I mean, look,
a letter from home kind of cost Ozen the game.
It kind of you know, in a way.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, because then he he dropped his guard, talked about
his plans. It got him in the end.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's what cost me the game too, like waining the
loved one. Letters cost me the game. For sure. There's
a lot of things right, like butterflys act. But absolutely
one of those things was my guard came down. After
having my belly fall, all of a sudden, I read
the letter from my mom and I lost my mind,
and all of a sudden, I'm spilling tea that I
never would have spilled otherwise, and the same things and
(05:35):
I never would have said otherwise.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Persian moms and their sons.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I know.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I know it well because I'm the same thing with
my little Frankie. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, number one, Oh
my god, he cost me every day, Thank god, and
I assume all the time I'm his number one go
to and I'll always and that's okay. The wife gets it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
How lucky here to have a mom like that. That's amazing,
that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I see my mom almost every day. As it's so,
I'm actually at my mom's house. Why I record podcasts
and stuff is inside mom's house.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Then I know she's happy.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Got the extra bedroom.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Then Mom's happy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That makes her day. She could see you every day totally.
And you walk out the room, you walk back in,
it's like she hasn't seen you for a year. I'm
telling you right now, I know it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm very lucky that it's like that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yes, very blessed. And that's why I understand how that
letter got to you. And you know, Ozzie, first of all,
let's talk about the nightmare. He got a sign? Now,
you know we believe in this stuff. You can't deny this.
You can't deny this. Why did he not listen to
the sign?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I got a sign too on my day I got
you did, tell me, absolutely did.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It was the first day. Every single day out there,
I in the mornings would open my palms towards what
I thought was home because of where the sun was
coming up in the morning, and I would accept energy
from my people back home every single morning at sunrise.
(07:11):
They knew what time to send energy, to send good vibes,
to send calories, or anything that they could think of.
And the only day that I didn't do it was
day twenty three, and I went home on Day twenty three.
I just I was in the sanctuary and the sun
had already come up, and so it was already done
by the time we woke up, and I missed it.
I missed my window to to accept my energy and
(07:33):
my vibes from home. So yeah, I came out of
the routine and bust the loved one's letters and that's
that's all she wrote. But it was cool. It was
a cool thing to experience out there. Yeah, very me cool.
And Ozzie kind of nailed that as well, right. Ozzie
kind of said that like she got a little bit
of closure with his pops out there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Which was nice. I'm sure. I'm sure things happened like
that during these times. I'll tell you and make it quick,
not about traders, like I hate to bring it up
because we're talking about Survivor. But when you're not filming,
you have to be alone, no phone, and it's just
you and yourself. And I didn't want to leave that
place when I was done. Yeah, I love the seclusion.
(08:16):
I love the lack of the phone. Of course, I
know I have people at home I have to get to,
but it was so peaceful just to be in that place.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Lauris three days without my pune when we were at pregame.
I have a journal entry it says I'm three days
away from my phone and I feel sharp and clearer,
and my mind is more focused and able to focus
than I've ever experienced, right, And it's just it's a
(08:46):
crazy thing that it just takes three days for us
for our brain to rehab and have that reset. And yeah,
it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Moving to the challenge, Tiff wins the challenge but then
loses it. Yeah, yeah, she loses it, and she took
it well. I I thought, you know, there was no pushback.
Jeff said, do you trust me? And She's like yeah,
and then Jonathan won. He was so I mean the
shock on their faces, but uh, yeah, no, the challenges, the.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Hard summon to actually Jeff's level of professionalism that he
doesn't miss like it's crazy because people think he hasn't
hear piece in or something. He has no here piece in.
He doesn't clean like there is no your piece in,
Not during tribal, not during challenges, not when he's supposed
to be saying the lines for what the challenge is.
And the dude does not do a second take, like
(09:49):
he does not have to go twice. It is unbelievable.
It is so professional and is a true pro.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's that is because even when he's explaining the challenges
holding stuff, he doesn't he's does. I always thought he
had some type of earpiece because they can't imagine. Well,
we get to tribal tonight and the players will be
in tribal. The players will be split into two small
groups of four. They draw rocks and the groups are Tip,
Emily Suri and Rick, Ozzie, Joe Rizzo and Aubrey Jonathan.
(10:19):
And Jonathan loves having this power and so does his
pex of course, because you know, I never saw and
somebody flex their pecks on that that big what is
it a phoenix?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It looks like, yeah, yeah, it's a phoenix.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Crazy, But were you surprised he won this challenge because
he's so big.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, I'm surprised Ozzie didn't win this challenge just
because I think he is like a total balanced dude.
Jonathan being that big, I actually think maybe kind of
helped him a little bit because the weight kind of
pushed him down in the water is not as bouncy
in the water, that makes sense, And he won it
on his last season too, and I thought the same
thing then. But I mean, Jonathan's a challenge to be
(11:02):
He's for sure, He's definitely a talented challenge competitor. So
not not super surprised here. I am surprised at how
much power it came with though. That the ability to
go back and forth between the beaches, you're controlling the
flow of information. You're the one that's able to kind
of steer both votes. And then you get to vote
twice at tribal. And it's not just twice at tribal,
because it'd be one thing to vote at two tribals
(11:23):
that were ten people big. It's twice at two four
person tribals. So your vote power, your voting power is
more powerful than it would have if all nine people
were there right right and on top of that, it's
even double the power because now we're in two groups
of four, so a really an advantage that really compounded
(11:44):
a ton and gives Jonathan, I think, a ton of
leverage to say he took two people out in one
cell swoop of winning immunity. He survived two votes with
one community, so the challenge to win totally. And you know,
you feel for Tiss because she thought she won, but
the video clearly shows that she did not.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
She didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, clear as day. And yeah, I do think that
that part is a testament to Jeff's professionalism and knowing
that Jeff's not going to get something wrong like that. No,
that's what gives you the Lee way to be like, yeah,
whatever it fine, I trust you. Happened on my season two,
Actually did it looked like Joe? Yeah, Joe had won
a fifth challenge on our season, which is you know,
(12:27):
the record, and it turned out that one of the
puzzle pieces was just turned around the other way, so
he had to uncall it and Camilla one and so yeah,
that that did happen on our season. It happens every
once in a while.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh, they catch it, at least we know that they
catch it and you know that's it.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, that's why they have standards and practices there.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well, they have to. It's the right thing. So would
you think in group one when Emily tries to pull
this fast one, like, did you think anyone was going
to fall for it?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
You know what would you have.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Fell for it?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I actually want to talk about SII here that there
is another edit on the edit room floor that I
know is out there, like with I mean, I don't
know because anyone's told me, but I know by watching
the game that there is an edit where Saria is
talking about how she's going to use her second vote.
And the reason I think we don't see it is
because I Suri starts talking about it. We know what happens.
(13:20):
What happened at Tribal was Sari voted with her extra vote,
which is famously a useless advantage in Survivor all but useless. Okay,
it basically never gets used. Bradtly, this is the first
time Suri's ever had an advantage in Survivor. She plays it,
and she knew she was going to play it, so
(13:41):
she played it in Border to cast two votes on
I think it was Emily. Then we have two votes
on Devon's, then we have their two votes on Suri.
This is what saves Serie in the game. And so
I know there's an edit of her talking about how
she knows she's safe because as she has the double vote,
(14:02):
which means that they tie no matter what, and one
of them goes home on the revote. That is a
you ship play from sire And we didn't get to
see her develop it because if we would have seen
it for a second, we would have known she was safe.
That's not good drama, But I do wish that I
(14:22):
could have seen the cutting room floor on her realizing
I'm safe tonight. As long as I play this useless advantage,
I'm safe tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So it's the first time she's actually safe.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
First, I mean, essentially, yeah, she never had an advantage before,
and so she played a I can't tell you like
this disadvantage comes up in almost every season and it's
I mean, I think maybe one in eight is it
ever used to actually save the person that is supposed
to be going home? It never, It never happens, and
(14:57):
she used it to perfectionate her first time having an
advantage in the game. I would have liked to see
more of her strategic mind on that, because I know
for sure there's there's those slips out there, juicy clips
of Suri breaking down how it doesn't matter that's Emily's
right or wrong. She's going home, you know what I mean,
Like that's it. Yeah, yeah, only if Devin's whoever plays that,
(15:18):
whoever Devon's is dumb enough to play the idols, her
gets to stay home, so it doesn't matter. Emily genius
plan but foiled because Surien doesn't have to play with you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Nice try and you know what it was just it
was just happenstance that it happened that way.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, totally, And it was a nice try. I think
that's big said. I think that they even said that.
I think it was her best.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It was her best. She was she She's like, eh,
I tried, you know, She's like, eh, well, there you go.
So to Ozzie's convinced that Aubrey's going home tonight, so
he confesses his whole game to her. Azzie Ozzy Ozzie
doesn't know strategy. Was Suri just carrying him through the
game until this point.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You think, I don't think that you get carried in
the game of survivor. Now, having been out there, I
think if I hadn't gone out there and I was
sitting here as an armchair expert, I think I would
say yeah. But I don't think that's how it works
out there. You provide something to the team and the
team is moving forward. That's kind of how alliances work.
(16:25):
Does someone have more strategic bona fides? For sure? I don't.
I don't think Ozzie would disagree. Sores the strategic mastermind,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He was so sad when he left. That was I
think that was the hardest leave the whole time, Like
he was felt so betrayed. And then you know, we
looked like Rizzo's like, you just talked too much, bro.
It was like the end of a mob movie, right
before you got to kill your friend for talking. You know,
I've seen that. That's what I felt like. Of course,
(16:52):
it was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Very that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It was sure, you talk too much. And here's Serie saying,
I hope that Rizzo gives him the heads up. Ye,
And Rizzo was smart. I mean, I'm Rizzo's in the
game now. He can't feel sorry for his friend to
do the right thing. So he knew, he knew he
jeopardized himself. He was Jerry compromising.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Bro, don't Jerry manage. Don't you to do that. You
don't need to do that. Survivor players that are gonna
go out there and play, you don't need to do
jury management on their way out. It's too late, So
don't do it on the way out. Waity, Like it's
too late. You either did it before the vote or
you didn't do it, But don't do it like there.
And you're giving her amma in like two hours. I
(17:36):
don't have a problem really with Ozzie doing that, to
be honest, if he had done it five minutes before
they went to tribal, if he had pulled her aside
without her having more time. He did it in the
middle of the day. Bro, Wait wait right, wait, you're
you're you're you're jumping the gun here.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
If you would have given it, if you would have
said it before she could got to everybody else.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And you want to do a little bit of dream
management on the way out on the very last minute. Okay, sure, Well,
you're giving Aubrey a player who is you know, it's
a crazy strategist. You're giving her way too much information
for her to go be able to play with and
she's gonna go play.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh she did too, she.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Went and played it, and good for her.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, that's the game. So Sirah uses her extra vote tonight,
so it's a tie between her and Emily. They have
to do a revote, which was crazy, and Emily's voted
out the second time. Were you on the edge of
your seat at all with this or no? All?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The survivor in me was bummed that we didn't see
Shari talking about how she was going to use the
double vote, but the survival stand was thinking that. The
survivor player in me was like, she's using the extra vote, Like, well,
you know, yeah, she's too smart to not use the
extra vote.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
She's not going home, right, And between the two of them,
you already knew she wasn't going home. You weren't on
the edge of your seat, right. So then you have
Joe Aubrey, Rizzo and Ozzie arrive at tribal. Next Ozzie
does not play his idol and he's voted out with
it in his pocket again, the same thing as Dream
warned him about.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The same thing that he's done before.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Fulfilling prophecy shit totally.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Self filling prophecy type shit. Do I blame Rizzo? No,
I blame Ozzy. I blame the person that Ozzie would
blame in this scenario. Right, the guy is he is
no stranger to the game, and he can take it.
He is a man that does not mind taking accountability
for making a mistake. And isn't that beautiful, Like, isn't
that the coolest thing in life?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's in general, and.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
A man taking accountability and being like, I did it again,
all right, well I'm gonna keep on, keep it on.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
So it's my fault. I did it again. I knew
what I was doing, and I can only blame myself.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And like, I don't I think Ozzy would blame Rizza.
I think he would say it was a game move,
and he would be that He's sad for sure, as
he should be, as we are entitled to be when
our dreams come to an end. And you know, I
got to say, like that guy, that guy Oz, and
he's grown up on television. He was doing this stuff
back in his twenties and having to deal with crazy
(20:20):
people on the internet for a long time, for a
long time, and I thought his exit was actually super
graceful to pull to see someone be emotional about losing
the game. He really cares about Survivor. Who cares about
the game. The game has helped make him who he is.
And I really appreciated how Ozzie played the game. I
(20:42):
appreciated the way that he handled himself out there. Certainly
he was one of my favorite players. When I was,
you know, watching the show for the first time, I
wanted to be like Ozzie that, you know. I remember thinking,
if I ever got on Survivor, I have to make
sure that I dives like Ozzy. I don't want to
die and embarrass myself like the way most people dive
(21:02):
off platforms and shit in Survivor. And I remember seeing
the comment when I had my dive on Survivor. I
remember seeing the comment like this, dude's like Ozzy.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Oh and there the coolest thing, Like so cool to
be like that.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I wanted that comparison for.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Sure, cushioned it for you, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Nice, exactly what I was going for. And to watch
him play this season was really awesome. To hear his
conversation about Yeah, he felt feels like he gave his
father a little too hard of a time is an
experience that I had myself. I felt like I gave
my father a little bit too hard of a time
sometimes and didn't understand exactly what was going on and
why he had to do things that he did. And
(21:42):
when you get older and you reach your father's age,
you start to think in some of the ways and
you're like, wow, okay, you know that genetics thing has
passed through to me. I can feel my dad in
a weird way now. And that's what Ozzie was feeling
out there. He was feeling austen And we learned that day, right,
we learned that last night. But he wasn't talking about
Oscar like a different version of him. He's talking about Oscar,
(22:05):
his dad. That version is what she was playing as
and like.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The garious guy that everybody loved. And yeah, and mine
and mine. So you know, it's he left there with
more than he came with, whether he won or not.
And and you know, I think it's a great note
to end on because I think if you just as survivor,
(22:31):
if you go there and you're able to do all
these things and all these you know, things happen, like
you channel your energy and you find yourself and you
find things in yourself that you didn't even think you
could do or survive, right, And I think that if
you ever make it there, you were meant to be there.
And I think that, like in Nazzie's case, he it
(22:54):
was time for him to go home because what he
needed to do there happened. That's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It is a crazy end of that episode, considering Emily
went home on the same day last time she played,
and Ozzy goes home in the same way she went
home last time. Like, that's crazy that history repeats itself.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's so crazy. But I can't help but think there
was something different about that. This one hit different from me,
especially because he had the dream and because he he
had this you know thing with his dad. And anyway,
I loved it, and I loved talking about this with you.
I thought it was great. I'd love to have you
back and let everybody know where they could find you.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh, you can find me on Instagram at Shahin Davari
and you can also find me at EDC. Next week,
I'm doing a Survivor thou a vent at Can't bec
from six to eight pm on the Thursday, And I
don't know. If you need communication coaching youlouder dot org,
if you have a conference coming up, a podcast, if
you want to get better at representing yourself, have a
(23:59):
communication coach in mind. It should be me. I'm bad
ass at it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I vouch for you. I mean I vouch for you.
If that was something I was looking to do, you'd
be the guy. Yeah, I got a guy. Now, when
I know someone's looking for that, tell them I got
a guy.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I love it. Oh my god, what an honor. I
feel blessed. And no Dolores's list, Okay, I am Dolorous's speech. Hey,
anytime you if you ever have to, I have a
YouTube series coming out later this maybe September, where I
do like a deep dive with someone who wants to
(24:35):
create like a keynote talk with a thirty minute TED
talk or a thirty minute keynote or whatever. And I'm
doing a deep dive with one person and on their talk,
and it's gonna be basically showing how something like that
comes together. And Dolores, if you ever wanted to do
a TED talk, I would love to help you with
a TED talk if you ever wanted to deal a
(24:56):
keynote speech, I would love to help you develop that speech.
That'd be fun as hell for me.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So you think it's it would be like my fair lady,
teach me how to talk. And because I'm like the.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Worst, I wouldn't do that, because no, you're not. You're
an incredible speaker. I've seen you lose it on people
and not stutter a single word. You are an excellent presence.
I would not change a single thing about you. I
would give you structure and the internalized structure that you
could hold that would forever impact your ability to speak
(25:28):
in a clear way, with a clear message for an
audience that's like, wait a second, I'm sitting here to
really soak in everything that she is saying, and having
that prepared style speech with the internalization eventually affects your
regular speech as well. You're impromptu speaking. You're an incredible speaker,
(25:49):
incredible presence, and I wouldn't do a single thing to
touch any of that, because that's where most speech coaches
go wrong, vacation coaches that try to change who you are.
This is not the way. The way is to give
them the tools, the internalized structure, the ability to manage
the anxiety and the structure of the speeches that allows
(26:09):
people to be engaging and allows audiences to engage with
them where they're at.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So important because I think so many people are limited
to their success because they don't know how to articulate
how they want to speak or and a lot of
it comes from childhood. Shahan like you were told to
be you were stupid, you were told to shut up.
I mean, this is a whole nother story. And so
many adults these days walking in my age because there
was a different way of parenting back then. So many
(26:37):
people around my age have a problem with that. So
when this YouTube happens, I would love to promote it
because I think it would helps I know, I'm not kidding.
I would love to promote it and because I think
it could help so many people in my position, because
I know when I was growing up in the seventies,
(26:59):
you really want and talk, to speak, speak your mind
and articulate your feelings.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And I think one of the like if I could
say like one last thing on it, I think one
of the weird things about speech and kind of the
reason that I like to do it so much is
you're you're like a dirty little secret sometimes because No
one wants to admit they got help on a speech
because they feel like, oh, but then I didn't write it.
That's not what speech coaches do. We don't write the
(27:24):
thing for you. We can if that's what you're looking for,
But most of the time we're collaborators. It's so much
more fun to do a project with someone who's a collaborator,
who's going to help bring out the best parts of you.
I help you put them on paper and ide eight
with you and have a blast like figuring it all
out and oh, okay, cool, how are we going to
highlight this part of you? You're good at ranting? Where
(27:45):
are we going to put a rant in your speech?
You're good at telling jokes? Cool? What are we going
to open with? That's a joke for you? That's the
type of stuff that I think most people miss. And
you know, Steph Curry has a shooting coach. Doesn't matter
how good you are, you've get a coach that's.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Right, yeah, because you could always be better.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Always be better.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
All right, Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, they're lucky to have you, so and so are we.
And I can't wait this comes till this comes down
and I can't wait to watch the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't I don't thank you, Mom. I said, Hi,
I will, I will, sho'll be thrilled.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Bye.
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