May 9, 2026 • 27 mins
These seasoned Rush experts reveal what makes them so nervous behind the doors of their sorority house.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush.
My name is Jia Judice, and today I'm speaking with
two masters students here to spill what they wish they
knew before their freshman year rushing. So today I am
joined by e Liza. She is a master's student right now,
but in her undergrad she was in a sorority.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So today I am.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Going to talk to her about what her experience was
like and what she wished she knew before rushing. Hey guys,
and welcome to Dirty Rush.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm Jia.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hi, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm Laura and I'm Liza.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh so nice to meet you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So you guys are master's students right now about to graduate.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Correct, We are going to Texas Christian University right now,
and we also got our undergrad here as well.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
How has it been and doing your master's program afterwards?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It's been really nice to kind of continue to grow
in one space and continue to foster connections within our community.
I think that's been like super special to be able
to stay put and just yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I feel like TSU for both of us means like
a lot to both of our families. We both have
family who went to TSU, so it's it's the best
place ever. So it's been great.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh that's amazing. So what are you guys doing afterwards?
What are you guys doing with your masters?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
So I we both graduate on Saturday, and I'll graduate
with my master's in education.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And I just accepted a job and I'll be teaching
first grade in the fall.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Congratulations yea.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And I am getting my degree in speech language pathology.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So my cousin's doing that. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It's been in absolute joy and such a gift to
be able to pursue this field. But I'll be working
in a pediatric private clinic.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So you'll have like real one on one time that's incredible.
And you're gonna deal with students, which is amazing. And
a lot of my friends are teachers and they absolutely
love it and they're teaching like younger students as well,
so they enjoy.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Good. Good, Yeah, So what was your sorority involvement through
your master's program. Were you guys involved at all or
was it mainly just in your undergrad I.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Would say mainly in undergrad. For me, I have stayed
sort of connected with like my sorority family. I'm very
close with my little and she's still nearby, but I
would say my my like more involvement in undergrad for sure,
I would say the same.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I am really close with my family and are my
my theta family.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I was a Theta and I am.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Since I'm still in the area, I've tried to maintain
those reallys and so I have somehow managed to go
to every single midday since I was at TCU.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All of that's so cute, all of.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
The big littles, and we have like tradition where we
go to Joe Te's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
We all got tattoos together last year.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Like, we are very close and they are some of
my biggest blessings from college. So it's been fun to
kind of be the like older sister and the one
that everybody comes to to advice for.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And no, definitely, I mean that's crazy. Your family must
be huge then if you're still there and just to
watch it all grow that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, we have a very big family. I rushed twins.
I have triplets.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Actually, I have three littles and then they all it's
like a whole ordeal.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But our family is huge.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
But now I rushed as a sophomore, and so all
of my littles rushed as sophomores, and their littles rush
just sophomore.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So it's like.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
We're all kind of graduating at the same time. So
our family keeps dwindling down. But you know, we're still alive.
We're not We're not dead yet.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So you said you were a Theta. What sorority were
you in?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I was a gamified Beta.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, amazing. So we're gonna think back to the start.
What was your perception of Rush before going into it?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh, my gosh, I Rush was like the scariest thing
in the world.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Like, especially being in Texas, there's a lot or just
like in the South per se, there's a lot of
pressure to join a sorority and be in a top
house or you know, whatever you want to call it.
So going into RUSH was probably like the most nervous
I've been in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And I've had a lot of anxiety for different reasons.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
So it's just like an unantiquated amount of pressure on
like girls coming in to rush.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I would agree. I rushed my freshman year, which was
the fall of twenty twenty, so it was completely virtual.
So that definitely was weird and played a part into
like my nerves and excitement towards it. But I was
definitely still nervous to a degree. You know. I just
wanted to meet people fast and like create connections fast
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being so far from home. I'm originally from Long Island, Okay,
So I just wanted to like find a good group
that I had, you know at home.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh definitely, did you guys always want to rush going
into college?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
If not, what made you decide to rush?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I knew I wanted to rush going into college. Again,
that's just something like growing up in Texas. That's kind
of just like a part of the entire college process
where a lot of people is going through recruitment. So
I knew that was something I wanted to do, but
I did. I had a gap year in between graduating
from high school for medical reasons and then transferred. Long
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story short, I rushed as a sophomore, but was two
years older than the girls in my pledge class, so
it was just a very different experience.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I would say, yeah, did you feel like you were
more mature than them or maybe a little behind? Like
a little behind, or like how did that make you feel.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I and I would say like both, Like I felt
again kind of like the older sister to the girls
in my pledged class. But then like then I had
the girls two PCs above me who are like some
of my closer friends that I was able to meet
prior to going through rush, And when they graduated, it
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was really hard because I was like, well, these are
the girls that I have associated fato with in my
time at TCU with and they're my best friends, and
now what do I do? And you know, Laura and
I are lucky enough, like we can both testified the
fact that like, sorority life isn't everything. And like during
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college we were in a house where every single one
of the roommates was in a different sorority and.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I feel like that's so common, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So common. But I feel like what you might see
online is not that, Like you might get be fed
with my oh, my best friends are my sorority sisters.
I want to live in the house. I want to
like be super involved. And while that might be some
people's experience, like like you just said, I feel like
more common to have, Like my people were not in
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my sorority, and that's okay, Like my people were people
I'm at, you know, through other ways, and so I
just think, while it might seem like it's in all bey'all,
it's kind of something like important to know that, like
us on the end of it, now, on the other
side of it, you actually could meet so many people
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so many other ways. But because everybody's going everybody's going
through it, you feel like you kind of have to
like do that and find.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And participate in that for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, So what advice do you wish someone told you
before Rush?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's not everything I would say, like not that serious either. Yeah,
I feel like people or people I spoke to try
like kind of made me even more scared of like,
oh my gosh, this is so intimidating, Like you know,
these girls are only a few years older than you,
Like there's not that big of an age difference, and
(08:35):
the cheesy saying of like just be yourself is so
annoying to hear all the time. But seriously, I mean,
why would you want to be anyone but yourself, Like
you want to be you know, authentic and find people
who are going to match that. So it's not that serious,
it's not that deep. Just take a chill pill and
like it will all be okay.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, no, I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I feel like even when I was a freshman rushing,
I would look at the seniors like they were doing
it all right and that they were.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Such a you know, someone to look up to.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And even just looking at the president of my sorority,
who when I was rushing, you know, I wanted to be.
I really fell in love with Zada, and then I
ended up, you know, getting into Zeta, which was great.
But I remember looking at her and I thought she
was so pretty and it just looked like she had
it all together. And just during the rush process, everything
was so perfect. But then you realize, like you said,
(09:31):
they really are not that much older than you and
it's not that serious. And then once joining the sorority. Yes,
I want to say, freshman year was probably the most
fun I had, and it doesn't you know, your sophomore year,
getting into your sorority after midday the whole I want
to say, that was the most fun I had. And
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then it all just is like any other thing, you know.
I mean, yes, you get close with your friends, but
then you meet girls in so many other different sororities.
You're having socials, you're meeting other guys in fraternities, you're
meeting the entire Greek life, where then you make friends
with everybody else as well, and you realize, Okay, yeah,
(10:15):
maybe I didn't have to be in a sorority, but
this definitely helped open doors to meeting people totally.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Like I wouldn't have met some of the people that
I know and now love if I didn't rush. So
it does you know, it is beneficial and it is
helpful being like, you know, your first few weeks in
a new place.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But you were saying, yeah, I think there's also something
to be said about like I think any college that
you go to, there's this like predetermined set of like
houses and regards of rank, and I think that's like
a complete fallacy because like you're going to end up
in the house that like is suited for you, and
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that should be like that's your number one, right, and
so like I think that was like super important to
me going in recognizing that of just like your goal
shouldn't be to get in the top house. Your goal
should be to get in the house that like suits
you best, where people like like love you for who
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you are and just like want the best for you.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So I feel like that is.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Super important to kind of like take into your Rush experience,
like walk out in noise. Yeah, like you're gonna end
up where you're supposed to end up at the end
of like at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Day, Like going through Rush, like I was not talking
with other girls really about like what houses they were
getting because I was just like, that's just gonna like it's.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Going to alter the experience a little bit one hundred percent.
And they always used to say that during rush too,
don't talk about the houses outside of Rush.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Make this your make this your experience. You know, be
in your own thoughts because it is. It is true,
and I know it's hard.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's like when you also have your group of friends
when you're going into college, especially meeting.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
In the dorms or meeting anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's very you know, it's hard because you have this
A lot of the times you go into college freshman year,
you're running around the dorms, knocking on the doors and
just meeting people. You get this huge group of friends
that by the time you're a senior becomes to.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Be this small. But you know, you have this huge.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Group of friends when you first get into college thinking
that this is the best thing in the world, and
you all obviously want to rush the same sorority.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And then you rush, and you all end up in
different places, and.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
The people who you really are supposed to stay close
with you will and then it just trickles out from there.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right, like everything works itself out.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, you know definitely what shocked you guys the most
about the rush process.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Oh gosh, I feel like being on the opposite end
of rush after going through recruitment, it was shocking to
recognize that, like girls who are already in a sorority
and who are recruiting here ten times more nervous than
you could than a P and M or potential new
member could ever imagine. Like the pressure is just as
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high as on the other end.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, I do remember that as well.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Also, like girls remember you, Like I wore a pair
of green Zara jeans and I was known as the
green pant girl for the remainder across campus, which was
like kind of wild. But I'd literally be greeted at
the door and they'd be like, oh my god, Green
pant Girl.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And I was like, Okay, I guess that's like what.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I'm going to be known for here, but like, yeah,
you're not just like a like people will remember you.
So Like I remember being surprised about like how much
like on the opposite done of it, Like how.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Much work goes into it, you know, like work week
and recruitment week, Like those are some long days and
like Wiza just said, like there is a lot of
pressure on the recruiter because they're driving the conversation, you know,
a sophomore going through recruitment like being like, oh my gosh,
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I have to remember all these little things about this girl,
and I want to make sure that like she feels
good and that like the conversation is flowing and.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, can you recall any conversations that were off putting
or maybe call you guys off guard during rush?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean Green Pant Girl. I mean I feel like
that would catch me off guard. I would be like,
is this a compliment or I think.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
At that point, especially because I was like two years
older than all the girls I was rushing with. I
was like, I am the age of the girls who
are rushing me. So I was just kind of like, okay,
like if green pants is a way that you're going
to remember me, like by all means that, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, I can't think of anything putting Like I mean,
I do.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Remember I had a roommate at the time who wasn't
a different sorority, and you know, they had asked me like,
so you live with so and so, and I was
kind of like this is completely like unallowable, and I
would say I left that house just kind of feeling
like do you actually actually value me as a potential
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new member or there's a connection. Is it because I
have a connection to someone that you like invited me back.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
To your house?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And yeah, definitely Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Did you guys get the house you wanted?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
If not, did you guys come around to realizing that
this was the house for you and this was the
place for you?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I did. Yeah. My older sister went to TC as well,
and she was also a gamify, So going through recruitment,
I kind of tried to remove like her experience and
what she told me tc was all about, which was
all positive and good stuff, and so I kind of
just wanted to like also get that same experience. And
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I was like, if I end up getting, you know,
the house that she was in, great and if I don't,
also great, And it just ended up being that way
that I did, and I was really happy with it.
I mean, like my little it was is like one
of my best friends, and we always say that like
we if we never both rushed Gamut five, we would
have not known each other. And so I so.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I didn't end up getting the house that I prefed,
which in retrospect was the biggest blessing imaginable. My aunt
was a TCU theta, and all of my friends I
transferred to TCU prior to rushing were theta's as well,
and so going through recruitment the entire time, I was like,
obviously I want to be a TCU Theta, like you know,
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and but then I went through the process and got
to the end and it was just kind of like
I really want to have like make this my own
experience and not be like influenced by the friendships that
I have and other sororities, or by the connection I
have to THETA, being like being that my aunt was
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a TCU THETA, I didn't end up getting the house
that I prefed, And then obviously, like I said, that
was like such a huge blessing because like I was
able to continue to fo not that I wouldn't have
been able to continue fostering these friendships, but it was
like we just had one more thing that like connected
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us all together. And then again, like my DA family
is super important to me, like my littles will be
like bridesmaids in my.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Wedding, and so it's just like.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I didn't end up getting what I wanted, but in
the end, I couldn't have asked for anything else.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And maybe you were saying like, Okay, maybe I don't
want to go THETA because everyone else was there and
I want to do something different. But then it's funny
that you know, everything's happens for a reason, So you
ended up there because that's where you were supposed to
end up.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Exactly, Yeah, exactly, And now I get to share that
with my aunt and my cousin, which is super fun.
And so there's definitely a beauty in that story.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Ye would you guys say what sorority you're in matters
all throughout college or just freshman year.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I wouldn't even say it all.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, I think like TCU is a smaller campus, and
so being in a sorority, like again.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Isn't the end all be all.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I think that should be like the takeaway for anybody
going through rush, regardless of where you're going to school.
But at TCU you have such a unique experience to
get to know so many people that like being in
a sorority or not being in a sorority doesn't really
make that big of a difference. And I also think
it's it's like what you make of it, Like you
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have the choice, like you get to make the decision
whether or not you are going to like make friends
outside of your sorority. So I feel like maybe maybe
it feels more important when you're a freshman.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
To be right like and like chatter and people telling
you you know, like.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it feels like a bigger deal than it is,
and then once you're actually in the sorority, you realize
that it doesn't matter. I mean, sure, maybe, but also
being a female, we could really go anywhere and do
anything when it comes to socials and getting into frat
part X, Y, and Z. Maybe you can't just go
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to the mixer from ten to ten thirty when the
sororities are there with the frat, but you're able to
go at eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So there's just little things.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But maybe I think it is a good starter to
meet people. But then once you're in it, you really
have free range to do anything you want.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, I would agree it's a good starting point.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, And I think TCU does a good job of
encouraging students to like look beyond they're like and beyond
great glass, you're going to be like so willing to
meet as many people as you can as a freshman
in college or you know, whenever you get to call it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But that if you don't happen to meet like your
best friend in your storty, you're going to meet that
person some way, somehow, Like Yeah, there's so many friends
at TCU that I have from like knowing this person
and they've introduced me to this person, and this person
is you know what I mean. Like, there's so many
ways that you can meet people. So I think, yes,
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it is a good starting point.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Did your sorority have any traditions or rituals that shocked you.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
We have like at the end of every semester we
have theda splash, which is like a big essentially pool party.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Which is super fun.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I feel like at this point almost every sorority or
fraternity has adapted some form of of that. Yeah, so
maybe that's not a big tradition. We do a senior
tradition during recruitment that is super fun. And I feel
like when you go through rush there's like little traditions
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of like songs that you sing or little acts that
you put on or whatever. At least THETA have that, which,
like going through as a P and M was super
engaging and fun and it kind of just like when
everybody else is like being goofy, you can kind of
just like let your guard down. But yeah, I feel
like we didn't have any like the bigger traditions were
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done during initiation.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Which you know every solreaty is different with that, right,
what was your initiation process?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Like it was very tame, Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I feel like a lot of the times you hear
about like crazy things that happened, and.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So there was no like sitting on a dryer.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
No, no TCU and like Greek life in general at
TC was very anti like hazing.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Everything is very like on the very already end, Like I, yes,
that's not.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
For the Yeah, but it was literally I think, like
the worst thing was maybe that I was blindfolded going
up and down the stairs because they didn't want to
show us the different rooms that we were being taken
in too, like and.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
But it's all harmless.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah, it was like you were blindfolded because you weren't
allowed to see the upstairs of the house until you
were initiated.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, so we're.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
In the upstairs of the house, we just couldn't see
it because we weren't initiated. Yeah, Like we were never
allowed to cross the boundary to go upstairs, like we
had to stay down.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Like funny, I was on zoom, so we didn't have it.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, I was all in person and I was wearing
a mask, which was horrific.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But yeah, I mean, and when we when I was
recruiting my sophomore year, we just stayed in like the
main room. We didn't, like, we don't go other places
in the house.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
We stay like downstairs, there's like one room that's coated
in all white curtains, and like it gets really hot
in there, and I think or someone passed out. Actually, yes,
one of my really good friends passed out. She was
right next to me because it just.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Got too hot. I think that's like the craziest thing
that happened. Yeah, Unfortunately, recruitment here is during literally the
worst month of the entire year. It is like, oh
my gosh, it's so hot here a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
What did you miss most about sorority life as you
continued your schooling in the same place you were in
a sorority in.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh, that's a good question. I would say, like still
being here in Fort Worth and like watching the younger
girls in gammify like get to experience all the things
that I wants experience. Like I just went to I
don't even know what is aeron to me, like my
grand little he's your gee. That Yeah, I went to
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her twenty first and like there was some gammafies there,
but there was also like just other friends of hers there,
And I am such a nostalgic person and like Liza
can attest to that, but I'm just like, like I
loved college. I had a great experience, So watching other
people get to experience that like makes me so like happy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You're like you're watching them like do what you were
just doing.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah, it sounds like I could get emotional about it,
but like I literally could. I yeah, watching them get
to experience that for the first time and like hearing
their stories and I'm like yeah, yeah, yep, I totally
get that, or like, oh my god, this is how
we did it, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So I would say for me, like because I was
older than the girls at my PC, I missed like
that kind of mentoring aspect or just being like somebody
that people like came to and I've like wasn't huge.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
On going to all the social events and things.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And looking back, I wish I had taken advantage of that.
But and I would say, similar to Laura, like it's
really it's fun seeing like the you know, the sorority
like change shape and welcome new members and and just
like see things to like I don't I don't know,
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like just watching like relate to them, Yeah, like finally
get to relate to them.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, and maybe you know, I'll be like, oh my god,
like that's how y'all did it, Like this is how
we did it. That's so funny, or like we.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Have a friend Lauren who works for Ihearten. She her
little sisters and her cousin just went through rush and
it was like fun to watch them go through it,
and you know, I wrote one of their rock letters
and like chatting with them about like all things are gone,
Like it was just very nostalgic, is a good way
(26:24):
to put it.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for coming on
Dirty Rush and congrats on graduating.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
This was such a fun episode.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And good luck with all your you know, your career
and everything that's coming after this.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh, thank you much.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And that's it for this episode of Dirty Rush.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
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Speaker 2 (26:50):
Love you guys. Bye,
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush.
My name is Jia Judice, and today I'm speaking with
two masters students here to spill what they wish they
knew before their freshman year rushing. So today I am
joined by e Liza. She is a master's student right now,
but in her undergrad she was in a sorority.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So today I am.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Going to talk to her about what her experience was
like and what she wished she knew before rushing. Hey guys,
and welcome to Dirty Rush.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm Jia.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hi, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm Laura and I'm Liza.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh so nice to meet you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So you guys are master's students right now about to graduate.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Correct, We are going to Texas Christian University right now,
and we also got our undergrad here as well.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
How has it been and doing your master's program afterwards?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It's been really nice to kind of continue to grow
in one space and continue to foster connections within our community.
I think that's been like super special to be able
to stay put and just yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I feel like TSU for both of us means like
a lot to both of our families. We both have
family who went to TSU, so it's it's the best
place ever. So it's been great.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh that's amazing. So what are you guys doing afterwards?
What are you guys doing with your masters?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
So I we both graduate on Saturday, and I'll graduate
with my master's in education.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And I just accepted a job and I'll be teaching
first grade in the fall.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Congratulations yea.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And I am getting my degree in speech language pathology.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So my cousin's doing that. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It's been in absolute joy and such a gift to
be able to pursue this field. But I'll be working
in a pediatric private clinic.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So you'll have like real one on one time that's incredible.
And you're gonna deal with students, which is amazing. And
a lot of my friends are teachers and they absolutely
love it and they're teaching like younger students as well,
so they enjoy.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Good. Good, Yeah, So what was your sorority involvement through
your master's program. Were you guys involved at all or
was it mainly just in your undergrad I.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Would say mainly in undergrad. For me, I have stayed
sort of connected with like my sorority family. I'm very
close with my little and she's still nearby, but I
would say my my like more involvement in undergrad for sure,
I would say the same.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I am really close with my family and are my
my theta family.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I was a Theta and I am.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Since I'm still in the area, I've tried to maintain
those reallys and so I have somehow managed to go
to every single midday since I was at TCU.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All of that's so cute, all of.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
The big littles, and we have like tradition where we
go to Joe Te's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
We all got tattoos together last year.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Like, we are very close and they are some of
my biggest blessings from college. So it's been fun to
kind of be the like older sister and the one
that everybody comes to to advice for.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And no, definitely, I mean that's crazy. Your family must
be huge then if you're still there and just to
watch it all grow that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, we have a very big family. I rushed twins.
I have triplets.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Actually, I have three littles and then they all it's
like a whole ordeal.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But our family is huge.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
But now I rushed as a sophomore, and so all
of my littles rushed as sophomores, and their littles rush
just sophomore.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So it's like.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
We're all kind of graduating at the same time. So
our family keeps dwindling down. But you know, we're still alive.
We're not We're not dead yet.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So you said you were a Theta. What sorority were
you in?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I was a gamified Beta.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, amazing. So we're gonna think back to the start.
What was your perception of Rush before going into it?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh, my gosh, I Rush was like the scariest thing
in the world.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Like, especially being in Texas, there's a lot or just
like in the South per se, there's a lot of
pressure to join a sorority and be in a top
house or you know, whatever you want to call it.
So going into RUSH was probably like the most nervous
I've been in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And I've had a lot of anxiety for different reasons.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
So it's just like an unantiquated amount of pressure on
like girls coming in to rush.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I would agree. I rushed my freshman year, which was
the fall of twenty twenty, so it was completely virtual.
So that definitely was weird and played a part into
like my nerves and excitement towards it. But I was
definitely still nervous to a degree. You know. I just
wanted to meet people fast and like create connections fast
(05:22):
being so far from home. I'm originally from Long Island, Okay,
So I just wanted to like find a good group
that I had, you know at home.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh definitely, did you guys always want to rush going
into college?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
If not, what made you decide to rush?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I knew I wanted to rush going into college. Again,
that's just something like growing up in Texas. That's kind
of just like a part of the entire college process
where a lot of people is going through recruitment. So
I knew that was something I wanted to do, but
I did. I had a gap year in between graduating
from high school for medical reasons and then transferred. Long
(06:06):
story short, I rushed as a sophomore, but was two
years older than the girls in my pledge class, so
it was just a very different experience.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I would say, yeah, did you feel like you were
more mature than them or maybe a little behind? Like
a little behind, or like how did that make you feel.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I and I would say like both, Like I felt
again kind of like the older sister to the girls
in my pledged class. But then like then I had
the girls two PCs above me who are like some
of my closer friends that I was able to meet
prior to going through rush, And when they graduated, it
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was really hard because I was like, well, these are
the girls that I have associated fato with in my
time at TCU with and they're my best friends, and
now what do I do? And you know, Laura and
I are lucky enough, like we can both testified the
fact that like, sorority life isn't everything. And like during
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college we were in a house where every single one
of the roommates was in a different sorority and.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I feel like that's so common, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So common. But I feel like what you might see
online is not that, Like you might get be fed
with my oh, my best friends are my sorority sisters.
I want to live in the house. I want to
like be super involved. And while that might be some
people's experience, like like you just said, I feel like
more common to have, Like my people were not in
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my sorority, and that's okay, Like my people were people
I'm at, you know, through other ways, and so I
just think, while it might seem like it's in all bey'all,
it's kind of something like important to know that, like
us on the end of it, now, on the other
side of it, you actually could meet so many people
(07:56):
so many other ways. But because everybody's going everybody's going
through it, you feel like you kind of have to
like do that and find.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And participate in that for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, So what advice do you wish someone told you
before Rush?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's not everything I would say, like not that serious either. Yeah,
I feel like people or people I spoke to try
like kind of made me even more scared of like,
oh my gosh, this is so intimidating, Like you know,
these girls are only a few years older than you,
Like there's not that big of an age difference, and
(08:35):
the cheesy saying of like just be yourself is so
annoying to hear all the time. But seriously, I mean,
why would you want to be anyone but yourself, Like
you want to be you know, authentic and find people
who are going to match that. So it's not that serious,
it's not that deep. Just take a chill pill and
like it will all be okay.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, no, I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I feel like even when I was a freshman rushing,
I would look at the seniors like they were doing
it all right and that they were.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Such a you know, someone to look up to.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And even just looking at the president of my sorority,
who when I was rushing, you know, I wanted to be.
I really fell in love with Zada, and then I
ended up, you know, getting into Zeta, which was great.
But I remember looking at her and I thought she
was so pretty and it just looked like she had
it all together. And just during the rush process, everything
was so perfect. But then you realize, like you said,
(09:31):
they really are not that much older than you and
it's not that serious. And then once joining the sorority. Yes,
I want to say, freshman year was probably the most
fun I had, and it doesn't you know, your sophomore year,
getting into your sorority after midday the whole I want
to say, that was the most fun I had. And
(09:52):
then it all just is like any other thing, you know.
I mean, yes, you get close with your friends, but
then you meet girls in so many other different sororities.
You're having socials, you're meeting other guys in fraternities, you're
meeting the entire Greek life, where then you make friends
with everybody else as well, and you realize, Okay, yeah,
(10:15):
maybe I didn't have to be in a sorority, but
this definitely helped open doors to meeting people totally.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Like I wouldn't have met some of the people that
I know and now love if I didn't rush. So
it does you know, it is beneficial and it is
helpful being like, you know, your first few weeks in
a new place.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But you were saying, yeah, I think there's also something
to be said about like I think any college that
you go to, there's this like predetermined set of like
houses and regards of rank, and I think that's like
a complete fallacy because like you're going to end up
in the house that like is suited for you, and
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that should be like that's your number one, right, and
so like I think that was like super important to
me going in recognizing that of just like your goal
shouldn't be to get in the top house. Your goal
should be to get in the house that like suits
you best, where people like like love you for who
(11:19):
you are and just like want the best for you.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So I feel like that is.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Super important to kind of like take into your Rush experience,
like walk out in noise. Yeah, like you're gonna end
up where you're supposed to end up at the end
of like at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Day, Like going through Rush, like I was not talking
with other girls really about like what houses they were
getting because I was just like, that's just gonna like it's.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Going to alter the experience a little bit one hundred percent.
And they always used to say that during rush too,
don't talk about the houses outside of Rush.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Make this your make this your experience. You know, be
in your own thoughts because it is. It is true,
and I know it's hard.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's like when you also have your group of friends
when you're going into college, especially meeting.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
In the dorms or meeting anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's very you know, it's hard because you have this
A lot of the times you go into college freshman year,
you're running around the dorms, knocking on the doors and
just meeting people. You get this huge group of friends
that by the time you're a senior becomes to.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Be this small. But you know, you have this huge.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Group of friends when you first get into college thinking
that this is the best thing in the world, and
you all obviously want to rush the same sorority.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And then you rush, and you all end up in
different places, and.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
The people who you really are supposed to stay close
with you will and then it just trickles out from there.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right, like everything works itself out.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, you know definitely what shocked you guys the most
about the rush process.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Oh gosh, I feel like being on the opposite end
of rush after going through recruitment, it was shocking to
recognize that, like girls who are already in a sorority
and who are recruiting here ten times more nervous than
you could than a P and M or potential new
member could ever imagine. Like the pressure is just as
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high as on the other end.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, I do remember that as well.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Also, like girls remember you, Like I wore a pair
of green Zara jeans and I was known as the
green pant girl for the remainder across campus, which was
like kind of wild. But I'd literally be greeted at
the door and they'd be like, oh my god, Green
pant Girl.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And I was like, Okay, I guess that's like what.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I'm going to be known for here, but like, yeah,
you're not just like a like people will remember you.
So Like I remember being surprised about like how much
like on the opposite done of it, Like how.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Much work goes into it, you know, like work week
and recruitment week, Like those are some long days and
like Wiza just said, like there is a lot of
pressure on the recruiter because they're driving the conversation, you know,
a sophomore going through recruitment like being like, oh my gosh,
(14:21):
I have to remember all these little things about this girl,
and I want to make sure that like she feels
good and that like the conversation is flowing and.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, can you recall any conversations that were off putting
or maybe call you guys off guard during rush?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean Green Pant Girl. I mean I feel like
that would catch me off guard. I would be like,
is this a compliment or I think.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
At that point, especially because I was like two years
older than all the girls I was rushing with. I
was like, I am the age of the girls who
are rushing me. So I was just kind of like, okay,
like if green pants is a way that you're going
to remember me, like by all means that, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, I can't think of anything putting Like I mean,
I do.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Remember I had a roommate at the time who wasn't
a different sorority, and you know, they had asked me like,
so you live with so and so, and I was
kind of like this is completely like unallowable, and I
would say I left that house just kind of feeling
like do you actually actually value me as a potential
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new member or there's a connection. Is it because I
have a connection to someone that you like invited me back.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
To your house?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And yeah, definitely Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Did you guys get the house you wanted?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
If not, did you guys come around to realizing that
this was the house for you and this was the
place for you?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I did. Yeah. My older sister went to TC as well,
and she was also a gamify, So going through recruitment,
I kind of tried to remove like her experience and
what she told me tc was all about, which was
all positive and good stuff, and so I kind of
just wanted to like also get that same experience. And
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I was like, if I end up getting, you know,
the house that she was in, great and if I don't,
also great, And it just ended up being that way
that I did, and I was really happy with it.
I mean, like my little it was is like one
of my best friends, and we always say that like
we if we never both rushed Gamut five, we would
have not known each other. And so I so.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I didn't end up getting the house that I prefed,
which in retrospect was the biggest blessing imaginable. My aunt
was a TCU theta, and all of my friends I
transferred to TCU prior to rushing were theta's as well,
and so going through recruitment the entire time, I was like,
obviously I want to be a TCU Theta, like you know,
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and but then I went through the process and got
to the end and it was just kind of like
I really want to have like make this my own
experience and not be like influenced by the friendships that
I have and other sororities, or by the connection I
have to THETA, being like being that my aunt was
(17:34):
a TCU THETA, I didn't end up getting the house
that I prefed, And then obviously, like I said, that
was like such a huge blessing because like I was
able to continue to fo not that I wouldn't have
been able to continue fostering these friendships, but it was
like we just had one more thing that like connected
(17:56):
us all together. And then again, like my DA family
is super important to me, like my littles will be
like bridesmaids in my.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Wedding, and so it's just like.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I didn't end up getting what I wanted, but in
the end, I couldn't have asked for anything else.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And maybe you were saying like, Okay, maybe I don't
want to go THETA because everyone else was there and
I want to do something different. But then it's funny
that you know, everything's happens for a reason, So you
ended up there because that's where you were supposed to
end up.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Exactly, Yeah, exactly, And now I get to share that
with my aunt and my cousin, which is super fun.
And so there's definitely a beauty in that story.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Ye would you guys say what sorority you're in matters
all throughout college or just freshman year.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I wouldn't even say it all.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, I think like TCU is a smaller campus, and
so being in a sorority, like again.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Isn't the end all be all.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I think that should be like the takeaway for anybody
going through rush, regardless of where you're going to school.
But at TCU you have such a unique experience to
get to know so many people that like being in
a sorority or not being in a sorority doesn't really
make that big of a difference. And I also think
it's it's like what you make of it, Like you
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have the choice, like you get to make the decision
whether or not you are going to like make friends
outside of your sorority. So I feel like maybe maybe
it feels more important when you're a freshman.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
To be right like and like chatter and people telling
you you know, like.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it feels like a bigger deal than it is,
and then once you're actually in the sorority, you realize
that it doesn't matter. I mean, sure, maybe, but also
being a female, we could really go anywhere and do
anything when it comes to socials and getting into frat
part X, Y, and Z. Maybe you can't just go
(20:02):
to the mixer from ten to ten thirty when the
sororities are there with the frat, but you're able to
go at eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So there's just little things.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But maybe I think it is a good starter to
meet people. But then once you're in it, you really
have free range to do anything you want.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, I would agree it's a good starting point.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, And I think TCU does a good job of
encouraging students to like look beyond they're like and beyond
great glass, you're going to be like so willing to
meet as many people as you can as a freshman
in college or you know, whenever you get to call it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But that if you don't happen to meet like your
best friend in your storty, you're going to meet that
person some way, somehow, Like Yeah, there's so many friends
at TCU that I have from like knowing this person
and they've introduced me to this person, and this person
is you know what I mean. Like, there's so many
ways that you can meet people. So I think, yes,
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it is a good starting point.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Did your sorority have any traditions or rituals that shocked you.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
We have like at the end of every semester we
have theda splash, which is like a big essentially pool party.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Which is super fun.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I feel like at this point almost every sorority or
fraternity has adapted some form of of that. Yeah, so
maybe that's not a big tradition. We do a senior
tradition during recruitment that is super fun. And I feel
like when you go through rush there's like little traditions
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of like songs that you sing or little acts that
you put on or whatever. At least THETA have that, which,
like going through as a P and M was super
engaging and fun and it kind of just like when
everybody else is like being goofy, you can kind of
just like let your guard down. But yeah, I feel
like we didn't have any like the bigger traditions were
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done during initiation.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Which you know every solreaty is different with that, right,
what was your initiation process?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Like it was very tame, Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I feel like a lot of the times you hear
about like crazy things that happened, and.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So there was no like sitting on a dryer.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
No, no TCU and like Greek life in general at
TC was very anti like hazing.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Everything is very like on the very already end, Like I, yes,
that's not.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
For the Yeah, but it was literally I think, like
the worst thing was maybe that I was blindfolded going
up and down the stairs because they didn't want to
show us the different rooms that we were being taken
in too, like and.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
But it's all harmless.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah, it was like you were blindfolded because you weren't
allowed to see the upstairs of the house until you
were initiated.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, so we're.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
In the upstairs of the house, we just couldn't see
it because we weren't initiated. Yeah, Like we were never
allowed to cross the boundary to go upstairs, like we
had to stay down.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Like funny, I was on zoom, so we didn't have it.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, I was all in person and I was wearing
a mask, which was horrific.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But yeah, I mean, and when we when I was
recruiting my sophomore year, we just stayed in like the
main room. We didn't, like, we don't go other places
in the house.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
We stay like downstairs, there's like one room that's coated
in all white curtains, and like it gets really hot
in there, and I think or someone passed out. Actually, yes,
one of my really good friends passed out. She was
right next to me because it just.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Got too hot. I think that's like the craziest thing
that happened. Yeah, Unfortunately, recruitment here is during literally the
worst month of the entire year. It is like, oh
my gosh, it's so hot here a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
What did you miss most about sorority life as you
continued your schooling in the same place you were in
a sorority in.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh, that's a good question. I would say, like still
being here in Fort Worth and like watching the younger
girls in gammify like get to experience all the things
that I wants experience. Like I just went to I
don't even know what is aeron to me, like my
grand little he's your gee. That Yeah, I went to
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her twenty first and like there was some gammafies there,
but there was also like just other friends of hers there,
And I am such a nostalgic person and like Liza
can attest to that, but I'm just like, like I
loved college. I had a great experience, So watching other
people get to experience that like makes me so like happy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You're like you're watching them like do what you were
just doing.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah, it sounds like I could get emotional about it,
but like I literally could. I yeah, watching them get
to experience that for the first time and like hearing
their stories and I'm like yeah, yeah, yep, I totally
get that, or like, oh my god, this is how
we did it, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So I would say for me, like because I was
older than the girls at my PC, I missed like
that kind of mentoring aspect or just being like somebody
that people like came to and I've like wasn't huge.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
On going to all the social events and things.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And looking back, I wish I had taken advantage of that.
But and I would say, similar to Laura, like it's
really it's fun seeing like the you know, the sorority
like change shape and welcome new members and and just
like see things to like I don't I don't know,
(25:53):
like just watching like relate to them, Yeah, like finally
get to relate to them.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, and maybe you know, I'll be like, oh my god,
like that's how y'all did it, Like this is how
we did it. That's so funny, or like we.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Have a friend Lauren who works for Ihearten. She her
little sisters and her cousin just went through rush and
it was like fun to watch them go through it,
and you know, I wrote one of their rock letters
and like chatting with them about like all things are gone,
Like it was just very nostalgic, is a good way
(26:24):
to put it.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for coming on
Dirty Rush and congrats on graduating.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
This was such a fun episode.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And good luck with all your you know, your career
and everything that's coming after this.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh, thank you much.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And that's it for this episode of Dirty Rush.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Make sure you follow us on Instagram and TikTok at
Dirty Rush Podcast so you don't miss new episodes, exclusive clips,
and more.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Love you guys. Bye,
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