May 11, 2026 • 38 mins
Following the latest headlines, Jennifer Fessler is here to share her truth. Did she sleep with West Wilson?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
To Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellancap and Camra Judge.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of The twat Seat
with Myself, Tamra Judge, and Teddy Melon. Good morning, Tam,
good morning, Good morning. How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm good. I'm not feeling my best. Oh no, what's
going on? I don't know. I think because I've got
travel coming up. I've got so much going on that
I'm just my body's starting to go uh oh oh no.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, can get sick. I know, Eddie said today, woke
up and he's like, I was like a scratchy throat.
I'm like, no, I Am not going to get sick. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I know.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, Teddy, I was a bit nervous about this interview
that we're about to do with Jen Fessler.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I am too.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm in the hot seat and we have so many
questions and the fans are just NonStop on social media.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, I just don't understand what she thought this was
going to be a good idea.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, that's a question I think that you should ask
her because that's, you know, with everything that went down,
why did she feel the need to go out on
the red carpet and defend him.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I that's it makes absolutely no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, I went down the rabbit hole because I didn't
know much about their friendship. So it starts back at
May twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, Jen and West they
met at Bravo watch party. That's where they did the
pizza feeding. Remember do you remember that day? That came out?
Then on June tenth, twenty twenty four, Jackie Goldschneider was
on Watch What Happens Live Live and said that West
(01:48):
is Jeen's hall pass.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So weird thing to say that is a weird thing, right.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
November twenty twenty four, Jen had West on her podcast
and after the podcast they went out.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Together and was the husband there? I don't believe. So.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
March thirteenth, twenty twenty five, Jenna and West we're on
Watch What Have In Live? Together? She posted a photo
and captioned saying something bad about Wes Wilson. I dare
you with your golden hair and golden heart, It's impossible
not to adore you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
May fourteenth, twenty twenty five, West Wilson says in Watchhubme's
Life he hooked up with an older woman in her
late fifties.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think he said fifty seven. How old is Jen Fessler?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He said high fifty five's or something like that. I
don't know her exact age. Then at Bravocon twenty twenty five,
Jenna West earned multiple photos with Amanda, also Wes commenting
I love you so much, where Jen reysponds more and
always my love hold on.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
She is fifty seven, so I said that. Yeah, so
I got a couple more.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In late November twenty twenty five, there was a podcast
A Yacht Mess where the host Mark says that a
housewife hooked up with West on the East Coast, and
his co host says, I know it's Jersey.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Then April tenth, twenty twenty six, Jen posted on threads
and anniversary posts to her husband saying you could sleep
with West or Amanda and I'd still stay. And then
May seventh is when Sierra says on threads that Jen
and West slept together. So people are going deep and
they're digging up everything. She clearly has a very close
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relationship with him, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I just I don't. Sometimes I think she tries to
do things that are funny that it's just too far.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You mean the guitar playing and the singing. Yeah, well,
I will say, like we've seen multiple very drunk Jen
Fessler videos that have come out where she's slurring and
hanging on. She was hanging on Gretchen Ones. Now Wes
and I just.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
All right, Well, she's in the waiting room, so I
guess let's bring her.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
In, Okay, Hi tease?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Hi? How's it going?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
So great?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So great?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Never better?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Happy Mother's Day?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, Happy Mother's Day to you. I have a feeling
your Mother's.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Day might have been a little what wasn't my best?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Wasn't your best?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It wasn't my best?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, I think we should just get started on this.
You know, there's the fans are pulling out a whole
timeline of events that went on between you and Wes,
and then I guess it's all started when you sat
on page six that West was a Golden Retriever puppy dog.
Now you were at an event, the Vulture event, if
(04:49):
I'm not mistaken, and you were with Margaret at the time.
What prompted you to say that? I know you're friends
with him, but did you not know there was gonna
be He's some backlash.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So first I said, and I don't know if that
was reported anywhere. The first thing I said was I
love Sierra. Everybody loves Sierra. It's impossible not to love Sierra.
But Wes is a friend of mine. He's like, when
I say, like a Golden Retriever puppy dog, like just
kind of dumb, can't get out of his own way,
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doesn't really want to hurt anyone. West and I have
been friendly for a while. I met him at a
watch party, and when I met him, he was, first
of all, so sweet, so warm. I'm done defending Wes Wilson,
so let me say that now. I'm just talking about
my experience with him and really kind. He has done
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really nice things for me, like not only come on
my podcast, he had Kyle come on, Carl come on,
and Jesse come on. He asked me to go on
watch What Happens Live with him because Dolores was supposed
to be on. So he called me. He's like, are
you friends with Dlores? I'm like, we're like sisters, he said,
do you want to come then and be my plus one?
Fabulous Dolores is going to be there. Delores, feel free
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to BacT check this ended up not being able to
do it. But Wes Wilson has always been just very
sweet to me. I see this kid who has hurt people,
no doubt about it. But we've been friendly for a
long time because we're friendly and I know Sierra. I
had one really nice conversation with her on a plane
on the way home from Bravocon and it was just
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like a really warm, open conversation. At the end of it,
she said bye, sweet Jen. I said bye, sweet Sierra.
We gave each other a hug. But because I guess
I'm friendly with him and he's done some nice things
professionally for me, my instinct was to defend him.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But I have a question, why do you think that
she commented lol because they slept together.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So I don't know, and people keep asking me that why.
I don't know. Why. The thing is Sierra has been hurt,
maybe because she has been hurt by West, she has
been hurt by Amanda. You know, everybody gets hurt, but
I know that she is reeling from the way that
she has been treated, So maybe that's her I don't know,
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whatever that was her go to mechanism. But the thing is,
you guys, she hasn't been hurt by me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Did you sleep with Wes Wilson?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I have never slept with West Wilson.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Was he your hall pass?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
He was not my hall pass. I died to Jackie
say that. I think Jackie said that she was that
he was her hall pass. I said that Evan Goldschneider
was my hall pass.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh okay, So how's your husband taking all of this?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We've all been taking it. It's been It was funny
for most of the day until it wasn't. Yeah, And
the thing is that video of West and I the
first time we met at that party. My husband took
that video the pizzaok that pizza video. That was Jeff
Bessler taking it with my best friend from California, Sharry,
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So we were all sitting around together. He took the
video and I posted it because it was benign. There's
nothing in it, there's no kissing. It was me being listen.
You guys know that my nickname is Messy BEESTI because
I'm messy and stoppy. That is not the same as
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as sleeping with that child. I'm not. That's not my thing.
I've never ever had an intimate moment of any kind
with Wes Wilson. I feel for Sierra. I am not
even I hope she wins Dancing with the Stars. I
think that she got so screwed. What they did to
her was awful. I defend to Wes Wilson because he's
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my friend. Sometimes you defend your friends. That's it, you, guys.
It does I can't, It doesn't. It's not really that
much more interesting. If I had to do it again,
I wouldn't have defended him so staunchly because he did
hurt people.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
But then what about you did like kind of like
a press release on your Instagram, right, And that kind
of confused in me.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh yeah, so you did a clap back on your
story saying that it's untrue, intefamiatory, and you said you'd
be flattered.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Right, because there's always me trying to be kind of funny,
like page six wanted to comme. And I'm like the
fact that anyone would think that somebody that slept with
Sierra would also be attracted to Jennifer Fessler is very flattering.
We are apples to oranges, not just in age. It's
all that's my sense of humor. Sometimes it goes over,
sometimes it doesn't. But when I say flattered all of
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this attention people thinking that Wes Wilson would actually want
to sleep with me. So that's what I meant in
a funny way, but then in a serious way. And
I don't want to get into this because I don't
want this, the whole it to become a legal mess,
because I am not trying to hurt Sierra in any way.
But she wrote something, she puts something on social media
(10:03):
in print that wasn't true, and that hurt my family.
So my husband isn't I.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Mean, were you alluding to the fact that you were
going to sue Sierra?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah? Are you going to take legal action?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I've not listen Again, I have a husband who is
who's an attorney, and he has a business, and he
has a reputation to protect. I don't want to sue Sierra.
I feel like Sierra is still reeling from what was
done to her. I'm not interested in being a pileon
for that. But I can't I can't not say. You
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can't just lie and say something and put it on
social media and have an affect family and my husband
and my children and think that that's not going to
affect me, and that I'm not going to have a
response to that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
No, I don't know how you guys would feel if
that was you. But for me and for my husband,
it was sort of like, okay, and I have all
these voys, don't say anything. Let it past. You're just
adding fuel to the fire. What fire, what fire?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I would I would give you advice and say
to maybe stay off social media for a little bit
and just let this die down, because you do have
that personality where you want to get on there, get
your guitar and sing a song about it and do
all the things, and sometimes that's not the best thing
that you can do. There's so many things out there
that the Bravo fans are bringing up from the past,
(11:30):
like your comment under the Bravo con post, I love
you so much, And then he responded something like are
you responding more?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah? So a lot of stuff is I've learned once
there's a moniker for fears, false evidence appearing real. There's
a lot of what looks like evidence out there. So
starting with the pizza video, which again my husband took
that video and I, by the way, I wanted to
send you guys a picture of him at the party,
so no one thinks so I'm making it up. I
(12:00):
don't want anybody to think that this is I'll send
it to you, tam right now, okay, okay, all right.
So I just sent you a picture of he and
I at that party when it was taken.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Because you had also posted to your to your husband
celebrating your anniversary. Safe now you can sleep with West
or Amanda, And.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So let me tell you what that was about. It
was about again, sometimes you're right, maybe my humor does
an age. Well, we're in the crux of the what
are they called Skamanda scandal, right, So I'm trying to
post something funny on my anniversary, which I always do.
I always try to anyway. To me, it's like the
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worst thing you could do in the world right now
would to be would be to sleep with Wes Wilson
or Amanda Patoolia, whatever name is. You could even do
that and I would stay.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So you're just trying to be funny, that.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I mean, as opposed to what like trying to announce
to the world something I don't even to me. And
I thought it was funny. And by the way, if
you look at the comments, most people did.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, well, The problem is now everybody's digging up every
little chrom.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Right because you're not bringing it to right and trying
to piece it all together. I also put up a
Facebook said that I was pregnant, and I put up
a I put that picture up and said something, Hey,
hey guys, you're gonna be a big brother and big sister.
And I got all of this. Everybody thought it was real,
but most people knew. Sometimes I guess people don't get
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that I'm kidding. At age fifty seven, I don't have
ovaries that no, I'm not, in fact pregnant. Got a
lot of backlash for it, like, oh, you're making fun
of infertility. No, I was making fun of Facebook saying
that I was pregnant.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, those as I think it's hard those with those
Facebook stories, and also, you know, not being able to
get pregnant as such a a major thing.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I clearly was not making Not only was I not
making fun, I'm not making light of infertility. I was saying,
look how crazy Facebook is. That's what I was making
fun of.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Now, those AI stories are absolutely insane, like they're they're
slander right there. Defamation for sure. I get them all
the time about my kid's marriage, everything, how all this.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Stuff gets twisted. But I don't you can ask me
anything about Wes Wilson my times that I've spent with him.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Please do Has he reached out to you?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
He was well to all of us. He was on
the phone with my family and he was just very
sorry and apologetic. And he's like, Jenna, I don't even
know how this is happening. I am so sorry. I'm
so sorry that you got pulled into this mess all
of it. Listen. The thing is he's always been very
nice to me, you guys, very sweet looking back. The
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only thing I think that I I wish that I
had not defended him so staunchly, because he did. He
did screw Sierra, as did Amanda. So saying that you
know he's he didn't mean it. I don't think that
he wants to hurt anyone. I don't think that is
who West is. I don't think he enjoys hurting people.
But he did. But that's the truth of it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Because he's a ding dong.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Because he's a ding dong, but he's not a ding dong.
Who who I slept with or ever did anything intimate
with ever, ever, ever.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Where do you think that Sierra got this information?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Do you think that it's possible at West told her
that you guys slept together.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
People keep saying that to me, I don't, I don't know.
I maybe I thought that this guy, you know, I've
asked him and he swears to me he's like Jennifer,
I have I would never say I slept with anyone
that I didn't sleep.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
With, because he did say on Watch what Happens like
that he did sleep with somebody in their mid fifties.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Another piece right of like this puzzle? Do you mean
that you could put this puzzle together? So guys, I
can only tell you that what I didn't. It's all
so absurd and ridiculous. I don't know what would why
he'd want to hurt Sierra by telling her that he
slept with someone he didn't sleep with. People are coming
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to me, they're like, you don't understand he's he does
it for status. I don't know him like that. To me,
he's but a very nice guy who helped me get
his cast members on my podcast. And he called me
jen Do you know Dorinda? I need her phone number?
Oh my god, you're the best love you, love you.
I had our producer. You guys go through every single
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text that Wes Wilson and I have ever sent to
each other. Actually feel bad for her because I probably
took thirty minutes of her time. She'll never go back.
From the beginning of meeting him, literally until the very
last one. She was like Jennifer I. She was almost annoyed.
She said, I have never been so bored. She said
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it was a lot of because it's a lot of like, listen, honey,
I just want to reach out to you and know
I'm not your mom, but I am. I feel like
your second mom, and you're gonna be okay, This too
will pass. Please just hang in there, you know, try
to remember who you are. Wes Wilson. I mean, I
can read you every single one of these.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, we heard from our producer that she read them all.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You're all just like you know, honey, how are you doing.
I'm so sorry about your grandmother. I know you're in
the thick of it right now. At one point, after
Bravo Khan, I had sent him something that said listen,
I'm hearing rumors, and he said something like, are they bad?
I said no, but I just want to tell you
to be intentional. You don't want to hurt people anymore,
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and you want to be very careful. It seems like
you've gotten back into a good standing with the fans.
Please don't be stupid. So your relationship with him is
a very much Yes, it's a very motherly relationship. I mean,
I'm not his mother, right.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
But how do you think it got to that point,
to the motherly point?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Was it always like that? Was that always your guys's relationship.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
We don't have a relationship, friendship whatever you want to come.
I mean, listen, I don't He would probably hurt to
hear me say it, but we don't have really a friendship.
We were friendly in this world. He helped me out,
I helped him out. Oh my god. I love you.
I love you just like we all do you guys. Listen,
I love you too. But we're not hanging out on
the weekends. At the end of the day, we're on
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the phone together at tam I love you, honey, I'm
here if you need me now.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You very much talk like that. I've talked to you
on the phone many times and you've always just that's
just who I am.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I'm friendly with me. He's never done, and I really
hope what I'm hearing now is not true. I don't
understand what motivation he would ever have for lying about
having a relationship with a fifty seven year old woman
like I don't know how. I don't know how that
would serve him. I can only tell you, guys that
he never did. There's nothing here, you guys.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You can't say he never did. You can say he
never did with you. Oh yeah, because he's.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
He said, and watch what happened that he absolutely he never.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And then Daisy from Below Deck also did a podcast
with her host Mark and he said he knew an
East Coast housewife had supped with West. He recently re
shared the clip and his stories with Team Sierra. Do
you know him?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
His name was?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
His name is Mark?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Mark? What show?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's Mark? Macma has a podcast called ch Mess.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I know Mark McNamara, very guy. I met him through
Margaret Love him. What did he say?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He basically said that you had not you? I said,
you know? He said that a house wife hooked up
with West on the East Coast, and his co host said,
I know it's Jersey, and he just played coy like, Oh,
I can't say.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Guys, I can only tell you it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Let's let's talk about when Sierra did put that out
there with the cartwheel and all that stuff. How did
your husband react to that? Does he believe you? Is
he questioning you? How did it affect your daughter the
day before Mother's Day?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
The thing is my daughter I think thinks it's funny.
My son not so much. Yeah, and because Jeff Wessler
is privy to everything, all of my texts, all of
my encounters, so it's like he's kind of laughing about it.
There's no we don't. He feels bad for me. I've
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never experienced anything like this. I went on to reality TV,
so I suppose I signed up for it. I guess
this is sometimes what comes with it, But I've never
experienced anything like this, and you know, I'm not. My
problem is not that my merit about my marriage is
going to suffer from this, or my children are going
to think that I've done something. That's not the problem.
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The problem is that something was said about me that
is categorically untrue. It's a lie. It was put on
social media. Again, I get it. I get that Sierra
has been screwed, not just once, not just twice, now
many times. I know why people love her. I sat
by her on a plane. I've watched her. She is
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a nurse, she's kind, she is she loved Wes Wilson.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Have you tried to reach out to Sierra.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I don't have her number, and I don't know that
she would want to right now. But I don't have
I get it, I really do. But I didn't hurt
Sierra and her saying that about me. Putting that out
there about me is hurtful. You know. It's like it's
I do have a family, even though if my family
is not affected by it. You guys have family, well,
I would.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Say they are affected by I would think that anybody's
family woul be affected by it. Yeah, I'm just putting
any any doubt in anybody's mind that if you had
an affair or not, is not a great feeling.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
They know, they they feel bad for me. I mean
they didn't my They didn't like seeing me in bed
all day on Mother's Day. Right, So, but it's so stupid,
you guys. Honestly, I have no I maybe I said
gold to retrieve for puppy, because that's what he is
to me, like a little kid. There's nothing to me.
I know, clearly people think he's very attractive. He doesn't
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do it for me. I never said to me either,
never said he did it for me. And watch what
Happens Live, I said, Evan Goldschneider did, and Jackie said,
Wes Wilson did. This is all up I'd never had.
There's there's nothing there, there's no there, there, there's nothing
you know, And.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I mean, you've been married to Jeff for over twenty
five years. How did he react when this came out?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I told you guys, you laughed at first. He was like,
are you fucking kidding me with this? But again, I
can show you every single read to you, every single
text that's gone down between me and Wes Wilson, Jeff
Bessler seeing every single one of them, our producer seeing
every single one of them. Some of them, she's like
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what was she She was like everyone with the's like, listen, honeybait, honey,
boo boo. Please try to relax, sweetheart. Everything is going
to be okay. I love your second mom. There's no
like baby. I'll meet you at the Stanhope at three,
they're just not Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I mean because your daughter was responding to Ciara online listen,
she's my daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I don't think it was directly to Siara, was it.
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I know she put up something about me being resilient,
or she put something like oh yeah, guys, or some
kind of thing on her story.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Maybe I didn't say it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I don't know. You guys, I mean, if you, I
know you haven't gone through this, either one of you,
but if you've been through shit like this where people
are lying about you, so you're asking me how it feels.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, it happens all the time. I mean last season
on the show, somebody came out and said I had
an affair with some boy band in person, which is
an absolute lie.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And so how do you write? So what do you
do with that?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Exactly? Oh? I was.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I was pissed off, and I knew that this person
had tried to get the story out for many many years,
thinking that she had something on me, which was a
complete lie. It was somebody that I was friends with,
his wife.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And how did it? So did Eddie react to that?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, Eddie had known that she's been doing this for years,
So it wasn't a surprise at the time, But then
I feel like it puts questions, you know, the very
first time you hear something like that, it puts a
question in your spouse's mind, like did you do it?
Because if I heard about Eddie and all these you know,
chain of events came up, I'd be like, did you
do that?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Did you stick with somebody?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That's not our experience. We are old, we've been through it,
this is not our lives or not.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Well, I wouldn't be honest if I didn't say like
I would have asked, like, did you do it? Just
give me the answer yes or no?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Didn't I would He didn't even ask. He was he
was outraged. I was outraged. And the thing is, if
if I did it, okay, then there should if somebody
knows that I did it, please please show me, please
show all of us, Please bring the proof.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah. So daughter responded directly on threads to Sierra and
she said, girl, be so for real, you're making up
a lie because she said West was a nice guy.
This has gone way too far.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
I have to agree not that. And again I'm not
piling up on Sierra. I don't know what. I don't know.
Did Wes. Could West have told her that. I don't
know what reason he would have, but I guess I
don't know West. It's quite possible as well as I
thought that I did. I don't know why somebody would
front that they slept with an older woman, but maybe
that's the thing. Now. I can't answer any of those questions.
(26:01):
All I could tell you is, if you're going to
say something, show me the proof.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
If you that's I was just going to ask you,
if you could say something to Sarah, what would you
say to her?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Show me the proof. Again, I'm not interested in piling
up on Siera. I'm going to keep saying that because
we had this conversation on the plane, you guys, and
I swear to you, we both left it like we
were very honest with each other about something I'm not
even going to share. And remember this is after filming bravokon,
so they had already gone through their summer, right, So
there was something that happened that she thought about me
(26:34):
from filming that past season. I saw her on the plane.
Were they in the mid were they mid filming at
that point or were they done filming. I don't even.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Because it was summer.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So it's November, right Bravokan. Yeah, I think what's going
to happen during that season. This past season of filming,
we saw each other at Bravakhan. I sat in front
of her, I turned around and her and I had
this really lovely conversation. Bronwin was actually there as well,
and at the end of it, I was like, I
love her. And I actually wrote to Wes Wilson just
(27:05):
so you know, I absolutely love Sierra and so that's
in all of these texts as well. So I'm not
interested in being like Sierra or She's been through enough
and I hope she wins Dancing with the Stars. But
it wasn't nice. It's not nice, but something that's not
true on social media.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I agree with that. I agree with that. Do you
know if West and Amanda are still together?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, yes, him, let's let's go. Let's go about you.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Guys talk you text.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
So we are friendly, we are not friends, and I
don't want to know nothing that's going on with him
and Amanda. I got the truth is, Unfortunately I don't
want to be friendly anymore. This is not what I
was bargaining for He's a nice guy who did really
nice things for me, and I did some nice things
for him. In terms of yes, of course, I'll introduce
you to Dolores. You're gonna love her. Here's Derinda. I
(28:11):
got you back West. I actually said on this podcast
that I do feel like you are such a nice guy.
You don't mean any harm. Thank you, Jen, I love you,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Did you watch this season of Summerhouse.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I started to after the scandal came out. I didn't
watch the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, I mean, because I mean, I hear what you're saying.
But I also watched this season, and like there were
parts where he went out of his way to make
Sierra feel.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Like shit, I don't tell me.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Then they were at a party at the house and
a girl had come over sat on his lap, yes,
and he's like pretty much having to scoot Sierra over
so he could make out with Yeah, it was gross.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Jen.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I want to tell you. I think it is possible
that he probably told people he slept with you. Yeah
that my gut is telling me that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Okay, I mean, I would just be very careful. I
would just if I had slept with him, though, guys, it's.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Not cool on his part to say, yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You think that. I don't realize that. I asked him
point blank, I said, is this did you actually tell?
He said to me, Jen, I swear to you, I
have never said ever that I slept with anyone, much
less you that I didn't sleep with Never.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
He said it.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And watch what Happens live though. Yeah, but these guys
on these casts, there's too much he slept with somebody,
yea with someone, so he can't say that he never
says he slept with anybody else.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
But he said that he slept with someone older. He
probably did. I have not taken that away from him.
Maybe he did sleep with so old. It's just because
he's saying to me he never lied, has ever lied
about somebody that he slept with. I don't know this
kid as well as maybe I thought that I did.
Maybe he did. I heard that too, that he went
on and talked about it and I asked him about it.
(30:00):
But at the end of the day, gys, it just
doesn't matter because I didn't sleep with him. Yeah, whatever
it is, whatever, show me, show me the proof. Somebody
bring something out there. I'm happy to address any proof
that anybody has, Please.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Could you possibly respond to Ciara and apologize?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I was too enthusiastic with my backing up of West.
He has heard her Amanda has hurt her and it
was like, oh, you know, he's like a puppy dog.
He doesn't mean it. He's a good at heart. I
do believe he has a good heart. But he did
really really hurt her. So I apologize for being So
what is the word you guys, flip? Supportive or supportive? Right?
(30:47):
I do apologize for that, but I don't apologize for
something that I didn't do right. And I don't think
it was nice, even though I understand where it was
coming from. I don't think it was nice that she
would put a lie about me on social media.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Do you think she Owes you an apology?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I do.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Do you think that she's under the impression that that
really happened?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
See, I just can't imagine her saying she's a smart
girl to say something like that unless somebody that's why
I said, I think Wes.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But even if that's the case, that's not even if
Wes was I try to use these supid fucking words
fronting whatever you call it. Oh, so which I don't
know why that would be a front. But let's say
he did. That's still not proof. It's not stuff on
social media saying that Jen had sex with Wes Wilson
when Jen did never ever had sex with Wes Wilson
(31:41):
doesn't make it true just because people are gossiping, as
you all know as well as I do, because we've
all been gossiped about.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Right, I mean, we've all been gossiped about, But I
think there's also you know, a line that is it's
hard when you when you think that your friends with
somebody that you're doing these shows with because you all
have a common bond, and then you know, relationships are formed,
and then it just blows up because you know, the
(32:15):
I don't know how to say it other than the
way that like, yes, I think you truly believe you
guys were friendly, right, but at the end of the day,
everybody's out for themselves.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, wells industry.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, let's let's say it was true. Do you think
it's okay for somebody to try to blow up somebody
else's life and social media like that?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yes, if it's true, If.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's true, you think it's okay.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah, then it's not liable, then it's not defamation. It
was true, Yeah, she could say it. Why not?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I just I don't know when you're blowing off, somebody's
blowing up somebody's life.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That's mad.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
She's been screwed, she was lied to, not by you,
not by me. But if it was true, could she
put it on social media? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Could? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
How come? What made you kind of make the decision
to write that Instagram story where you were saying the
thing about the defamation because I think I probably would
have just left it.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Everyone says that to me. Everyone's like, just leave it,
It'll go away. And I'm thinking, right, I know there's
going to be another news story tomorrow. Of course there's
going to be. But for me, even my publicist and
all the people that love me, well, no, it's been mixed.
Say let it go away, let it go away. But
(33:37):
I've had a very wise person that said to me,
first of all, you let it go away. There are
so many examples of like the woman at the cold
at the Coldplay concert, what is it? What concert? Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I know who kissed the boss And she.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Never said anything, and she never said anything, and she
never said anything and it blew up on her and
it could have been squashed.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
But I think it could have blown up on her regardless.
I mean she was kissing.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Right right, Well, that's right, she was. That's the difference,
of course. But I'm saying, there's a lot of people
telling me you shouldn't have said anything, you shouldn't have
done anything, and you shouldn't do anything, you shouldn't get
on with Tamer and Teddy. I get a lot of
that because you're just gonna make it bigger and everyone's
gonna only hear what they want to hear. But who cares.
I know that it didn't happen. Who cares? But you're
asking me if I should have said that about what
(34:29):
I wrote down. The truth is, I'm being completely honest.
We did call a lawyer, and I thinking that I
have to walk around. I mean I think about like
going to the beach this summer and with my kids,
and I get stopped sometimes as the whatever. Oh she
was on the Housewives, she was the old woman that
slept with Wes Wilson. Like that's not fair. And so
(34:52):
there's like danger in that you can't just say whatever
you want unless it's true. You can if it's.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
True, right, So who do you think you slept with
that he was talking about? And watch what happens?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I well, I know, no, I know what it's. He's
something you're old person he slept with. I don't want
to know.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, I'll hear you on that. Well, John, I just
want to say thank you so much for telling your
side of the story. I know it hasn't been easy.
We haven't been easy on you as well, but we,
like the viewers, want to tell you.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Guys, were fine. I want you to ask the questions.
I want you to help me because I know that
all of this is floating out there right like that
pizza video, Well, I want Jeff Fesser took that picture
that uh he brought you to watch what Happens live? Yeah,
because Dolores was supposed to be on with him, so
he asked me if I wanted to go, you can ask.
Feel free to call Delores and ask her. Yeah, it
was going on because it was going to be Wes
(35:40):
and Delors. How much fun was that going to be? Yeah?
All of the text between us, I'm happy to send
them to you, guys. I got nothing to hide, and
I'm not mad at Sierra, and I know what she's
been through, but it's just not nice. You can't just
post a lie on social media in this day and
age and you know think that it's not going to
(36:00):
have an effect.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It does. Yeah, I mean, I agree with what you're saying.
I personally. I mean, I've been through a situation where
I've had talked to like you know, something was going
on with my business all in and people were just
attacking me like crazy, and I wanted to respond to
every single thing. I wanted to make jokes about it.
(36:23):
I wanted to do whatever. I hired a crisis management
company and they were like, Teddy, do not say one word.
Do not say one word.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yeah, there's a lot of that is a lot of
people have that view that you should just say nothing.
I don't know, but and I don't know for sure
that it wasn't West that created this whole scenario and
that he wasn't spending his summer telling people that we
slept it. I don't know that. I can't know that right,
(36:53):
But I can only tell you what I know for sure,
which is I've never slept with Wes Wilson. I've never
wanted to leap with Wes Wilson. No offense was never
into younger men. Evidence by my husband who is older.
I don't. I'm just trying to be silly right now.
There was never anything sexual between us ever, ever, ever, ever. Yeah,
(37:14):
and so it was very hurtful to have a lie
put on social media about me. Now, is it possible
that that lie that Sierra believes it because that's what
Wes told her. Yeah, that's possible, But all of that's
nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah. Well, on that note, I just want to thank
you so much for coming on here again and opening
up about this. And you know, it's hard to be
judged like that, and when you didn't do something.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Doc I really do, it's really tough. And can you
can feel under your demeanor that you're sad that you're bombed?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Of course it's such a bomber, you know, it's like
and also just coming from Sierra, who again is like
she is the world's princess right now, she's And I
know that I did defend him, but I love for
that conversation on the plane that we had. Was it
meant something to me? It was like a really honest,
open conversation which I will not go into but I'm
(38:09):
rooting for her so yeah. Also, you know, like, why
would you lie about me? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Anyway, all right, guys, all right, we're thinking about you.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Thank you, Bye bye you guys,
To Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellancap and Camra Judge.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of The twat Seat
with Myself, Tamra Judge, and Teddy Melon. Good morning, Tam,
good morning, Good morning. How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm good. I'm not feeling my best. Oh no, what's
going on? I don't know. I think because I've got
travel coming up. I've got so much going on that
I'm just my body's starting to go uh oh oh no.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, can get sick. I know, Eddie said today, woke
up and he's like, I was like a scratchy throat.
I'm like, no, I Am not going to get sick. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I know.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, Teddy, I was a bit nervous about this interview
that we're about to do with Jen Fessler.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I am too.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm in the hot seat and we have so many
questions and the fans are just NonStop on social media.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, I just don't understand what she thought this was
going to be a good idea.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, that's a question I think that you should ask
her because that's, you know, with everything that went down,
why did she feel the need to go out on
the red carpet and defend him.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I that's it makes absolutely no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, I went down the rabbit hole because I didn't
know much about their friendship. So it starts back at
May twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, Jen and West they
met at Bravo watch party. That's where they did the
pizza feeding. Remember do you remember that day? That came out?
Then on June tenth, twenty twenty four, Jackie Goldschneider was
on Watch What Happens Live Live and said that West
(01:48):
is Jeen's hall pass.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So weird thing to say that is a weird thing, right.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
November twenty twenty four, Jen had West on her podcast
and after the podcast they went out.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Together and was the husband there? I don't believe. So.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
March thirteenth, twenty twenty five, Jenna and West we're on
Watch What Have In Live? Together? She posted a photo
and captioned saying something bad about Wes Wilson. I dare
you with your golden hair and golden heart, It's impossible
not to adore you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
May fourteenth, twenty twenty five, West Wilson says in Watchhubme's
Life he hooked up with an older woman in her
late fifties.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think he said fifty seven. How old is Jen Fessler?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He said high fifty five's or something like that. I
don't know her exact age. Then at Bravocon twenty twenty five,
Jenna West earned multiple photos with Amanda, also Wes commenting
I love you so much, where Jen reysponds more and
always my love hold on.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
She is fifty seven, so I said that. Yeah, so
I got a couple more.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In late November twenty twenty five, there was a podcast
A Yacht Mess where the host Mark says that a
housewife hooked up with West on the East Coast, and
his co host says, I know it's Jersey.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Then April tenth, twenty twenty six, Jen posted on threads
and anniversary posts to her husband saying you could sleep
with West or Amanda and I'd still stay. And then
May seventh is when Sierra says on threads that Jen
and West slept together. So people are going deep and
they're digging up everything. She clearly has a very close
(03:33):
relationship with him, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I just I don't. Sometimes I think she tries to
do things that are funny that it's just too far.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You mean the guitar playing and the singing. Yeah, well,
I will say, like we've seen multiple very drunk Jen
Fessler videos that have come out where she's slurring and
hanging on. She was hanging on Gretchen Ones. Now Wes
and I just.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
All right, Well, she's in the waiting room, so I
guess let's bring her.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
In, Okay, Hi tease?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Hi? How's it going?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
So great?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So great?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Never better?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Happy Mother's Day?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, Happy Mother's Day to you. I have a feeling
your Mother's.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Day might have been a little what wasn't my best?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Wasn't your best?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It wasn't my best?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, I think we should just get started on this.
You know, there's the fans are pulling out a whole
timeline of events that went on between you and Wes,
and then I guess it's all started when you sat
on page six that West was a Golden Retriever puppy dog.
Now you were at an event, the Vulture event, if
(04:49):
I'm not mistaken, and you were with Margaret at the time.
What prompted you to say that? I know you're friends
with him, but did you not know there was gonna
be He's some backlash.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So first I said, and I don't know if that
was reported anywhere. The first thing I said was I
love Sierra. Everybody loves Sierra. It's impossible not to love Sierra.
But Wes is a friend of mine. He's like, when
I say, like a Golden Retriever puppy dog, like just
kind of dumb, can't get out of his own way,
(05:23):
doesn't really want to hurt anyone. West and I have
been friendly for a while. I met him at a
watch party, and when I met him, he was, first
of all, so sweet, so warm. I'm done defending Wes Wilson,
so let me say that now. I'm just talking about
my experience with him and really kind. He has done
(05:47):
really nice things for me, like not only come on
my podcast, he had Kyle come on, Carl come on,
and Jesse come on. He asked me to go on
watch What Happens Live with him because Dolores was supposed
to be on. So he called me. He's like, are
you friends with Dlores? I'm like, we're like sisters, he said,
do you want to come then and be my plus one?
Fabulous Dolores is going to be there. Delores, feel free
(06:10):
to BacT check this ended up not being able to
do it. But Wes Wilson has always been just very
sweet to me. I see this kid who has hurt people,
no doubt about it. But we've been friendly for a
long time because we're friendly and I know Sierra. I
had one really nice conversation with her on a plane
on the way home from Bravocon and it was just
(06:31):
like a really warm, open conversation. At the end of it,
she said bye, sweet Jen. I said bye, sweet Sierra.
We gave each other a hug. But because I guess
I'm friendly with him and he's done some nice things
professionally for me, my instinct was to defend him.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But I have a question, why do you think that
she commented lol because they slept together.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So I don't know, and people keep asking me that why.
I don't know. Why. The thing is Sierra has been hurt,
maybe because she has been hurt by West, she has
been hurt by Amanda. You know, everybody gets hurt, but
I know that she is reeling from the way that
she has been treated, So maybe that's her I don't know,
(07:15):
whatever that was her go to mechanism. But the thing is,
you guys, she hasn't been hurt by me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Did you sleep with Wes Wilson?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I have never slept with West Wilson.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Was he your hall pass?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
He was not my hall pass. I died to Jackie
say that. I think Jackie said that she was that
he was her hall pass. I said that Evan Goldschneider
was my hall pass.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh okay, So how's your husband taking all of this?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We've all been taking it. It's been It was funny
for most of the day until it wasn't. Yeah, And
the thing is that video of West and I the
first time we met at that party. My husband took
that video the pizzaok that pizza video. That was Jeff
Bessler taking it with my best friend from California, Sharry,
(08:10):
So we were all sitting around together. He took the
video and I posted it because it was benign. There's
nothing in it, there's no kissing. It was me being listen.
You guys know that my nickname is Messy BEESTI because
I'm messy and stoppy. That is not the same as
(08:30):
as sleeping with that child. I'm not. That's not my thing.
I've never ever had an intimate moment of any kind
with Wes Wilson. I feel for Sierra. I am not
even I hope she wins Dancing with the Stars. I
think that she got so screwed. What they did to
her was awful. I defend to Wes Wilson because he's
(08:51):
my friend. Sometimes you defend your friends. That's it, you, guys.
It does I can't, It doesn't. It's not really that
much more interesting. If I had to do it again,
I wouldn't have defended him so staunchly because he did
hurt people.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
But then what about you did like kind of like
a press release on your Instagram, right, And that kind
of confused in me.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh yeah, so you did a clap back on your
story saying that it's untrue, intefamiatory, and you said you'd
be flattered.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Right, because there's always me trying to be kind of funny,
like page six wanted to comme. And I'm like the
fact that anyone would think that somebody that slept with
Sierra would also be attracted to Jennifer Fessler is very flattering.
We are apples to oranges, not just in age. It's
all that's my sense of humor. Sometimes it goes over,
sometimes it doesn't. But when I say flattered all of
(09:42):
this attention people thinking that Wes Wilson would actually want
to sleep with me. So that's what I meant in
a funny way, but then in a serious way. And
I don't want to get into this because I don't
want this, the whole it to become a legal mess,
because I am not trying to hurt Sierra in any way.
But she wrote something, she puts something on social media
(10:03):
in print that wasn't true, and that hurt my family.
So my husband isn't I.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Mean, were you alluding to the fact that you were
going to sue Sierra?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah? Are you going to take legal action?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I've not listen Again, I have a husband who is
who's an attorney, and he has a business, and he
has a reputation to protect. I don't want to sue Sierra.
I feel like Sierra is still reeling from what was
done to her. I'm not interested in being a pileon
for that. But I can't I can't not say. You
(10:38):
can't just lie and say something and put it on
social media and have an affect family and my husband
and my children and think that that's not going to
affect me, and that I'm not going to have a
response to that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
No, I don't know how you guys would feel if
that was you. But for me and for my husband,
it was sort of like, okay, and I have all
these voys, don't say anything. Let it past. You're just
adding fuel to the fire. What fire, what fire?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I would I would give you advice and say
to maybe stay off social media for a little bit
and just let this die down, because you do have
that personality where you want to get on there, get
your guitar and sing a song about it and do
all the things, and sometimes that's not the best thing
that you can do. There's so many things out there
that the Bravo fans are bringing up from the past,
(11:30):
like your comment under the Bravo con post, I love
you so much, And then he responded something like are
you responding more?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah? So a lot of stuff is I've learned once
there's a moniker for fears, false evidence appearing real. There's
a lot of what looks like evidence out there. So
starting with the pizza video, which again my husband took
that video and I, by the way, I wanted to
send you guys a picture of him at the party,
so no one thinks so I'm making it up. I
(12:00):
don't want anybody to think that this is I'll send
it to you, tam right now, okay, okay, all right.
So I just sent you a picture of he and
I at that party when it was taken.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Because you had also posted to your to your husband
celebrating your anniversary. Safe now you can sleep with West
or Amanda, And.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So let me tell you what that was about. It
was about again, sometimes you're right, maybe my humor does
an age. Well, we're in the crux of the what
are they called Skamanda scandal, right, So I'm trying to
post something funny on my anniversary, which I always do.
I always try to anyway. To me, it's like the
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worst thing you could do in the world right now
would to be would be to sleep with Wes Wilson
or Amanda Patoolia, whatever name is. You could even do
that and I would stay.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So you're just trying to be funny, that.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I mean, as opposed to what like trying to announce
to the world something I don't even to me. And
I thought it was funny. And by the way, if
you look at the comments, most people did.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, well, The problem is now everybody's digging up every
little chrom.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Right because you're not bringing it to right and trying
to piece it all together. I also put up a
Facebook said that I was pregnant, and I put up
a I put that picture up and said something, Hey,
hey guys, you're gonna be a big brother and big sister.
And I got all of this. Everybody thought it was real,
but most people knew. Sometimes I guess people don't get
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that I'm kidding. At age fifty seven, I don't have
ovaries that no, I'm not, in fact pregnant. Got a
lot of backlash for it, like, oh, you're making fun
of infertility. No, I was making fun of Facebook saying
that I was pregnant.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, those as I think it's hard those with those
Facebook stories, and also, you know, not being able to
get pregnant as such a a major thing.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I clearly was not making Not only was I not
making fun, I'm not making light of infertility. I was saying,
look how crazy Facebook is. That's what I was making
fun of.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Now, those AI stories are absolutely insane, like they're they're
slander right there. Defamation for sure. I get them all
the time about my kid's marriage, everything, how all this.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Stuff gets twisted. But I don't you can ask me
anything about Wes Wilson my times that I've spent with him.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Please do Has he reached out to you?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
He was well to all of us. He was on
the phone with my family and he was just very
sorry and apologetic. And he's like, Jenna, I don't even
know how this is happening. I am so sorry. I'm
so sorry that you got pulled into this mess all
of it. Listen. The thing is he's always been very
nice to me, you guys, very sweet looking back. The
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only thing I think that I I wish that I
had not defended him so staunchly, because he did. He
did screw Sierra, as did Amanda. So saying that you
know he's he didn't mean it. I don't think that
he wants to hurt anyone. I don't think that is
who West is. I don't think he enjoys hurting people.
But he did. But that's the truth of it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Because he's a ding dong.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Because he's a ding dong, but he's not a ding dong.
Who who I slept with or ever did anything intimate
with ever, ever, ever.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Where do you think that Sierra got this information?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Do you think that it's possible at West told her
that you guys slept together.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
People keep saying that to me, I don't, I don't know.
I maybe I thought that this guy, you know, I've
asked him and he swears to me he's like Jennifer,
I have I would never say I slept with anyone
that I didn't sleep.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
With, because he did say on Watch what Happens like
that he did sleep with somebody in their mid fifties.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Another piece right of like this puzzle? Do you mean
that you could put this puzzle together? So guys, I
can only tell you that what I didn't. It's all
so absurd and ridiculous. I don't know what would why
he'd want to hurt Sierra by telling her that he
slept with someone he didn't sleep with. People are coming
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to me, they're like, you don't understand he's he does
it for status. I don't know him like that. To me,
he's but a very nice guy who helped me get
his cast members on my podcast. And he called me
jen Do you know Dorinda? I need her phone number?
Oh my god, you're the best love you, love you.
I had our producer. You guys go through every single
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text that Wes Wilson and I have ever sent to
each other. Actually feel bad for her because I probably
took thirty minutes of her time. She'll never go back.
From the beginning of meeting him, literally until the very
last one. She was like Jennifer I. She was almost annoyed.
She said, I have never been so bored. She said
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it was a lot of because it's a lot of like, listen, honey,
I just want to reach out to you and know
I'm not your mom, but I am. I feel like
your second mom, and you're gonna be okay, This too
will pass. Please just hang in there, you know, try
to remember who you are. Wes Wilson. I mean, I
can read you every single one of these.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, we heard from our producer that she read them all.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You're all just like you know, honey, how are you doing.
I'm so sorry about your grandmother. I know you're in
the thick of it right now. At one point, after
Bravo Khan, I had sent him something that said listen,
I'm hearing rumors, and he said something like, are they bad?
I said no, but I just want to tell you
to be intentional. You don't want to hurt people anymore,
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and you want to be very careful. It seems like
you've gotten back into a good standing with the fans.
Please don't be stupid. So your relationship with him is
a very much Yes, it's a very motherly relationship. I mean,
I'm not his mother, right.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
But how do you think it got to that point,
to the motherly point?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Was it always like that? Was that always your guys's relationship.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
We don't have a relationship, friendship whatever you want to come.
I mean, listen, I don't He would probably hurt to
hear me say it, but we don't have really a friendship.
We were friendly in this world. He helped me out,
I helped him out. Oh my god. I love you.
I love you just like we all do you guys. Listen,
I love you too. But we're not hanging out on
the weekends. At the end of the day, we're on
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the phone together at tam I love you, honey, I'm
here if you need me now.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You very much talk like that. I've talked to you
on the phone many times and you've always just that's
just who I am.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I'm friendly with me. He's never done, and I really
hope what I'm hearing now is not true. I don't
understand what motivation he would ever have for lying about
having a relationship with a fifty seven year old woman
like I don't know how. I don't know how that
would serve him. I can only tell you, guys that
he never did. There's nothing here, you guys.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You can't say he never did. You can say he
never did with you. Oh yeah, because he's.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
He said, and watch what happened that he absolutely he never.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And then Daisy from Below Deck also did a podcast
with her host Mark and he said he knew an
East Coast housewife had supped with West. He recently re
shared the clip and his stories with Team Sierra. Do
you know him?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
His name was?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
His name is Mark?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Mark? What show?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's Mark? Macma has a podcast called ch Mess.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I know Mark McNamara, very guy. I met him through
Margaret Love him. What did he say?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He basically said that you had not you? I said,
you know? He said that a house wife hooked up
with West on the East Coast, and his co host said,
I know it's Jersey, and he just played coy like, Oh,
I can't say.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Guys, I can only tell you it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Let's let's talk about when Sierra did put that out
there with the cartwheel and all that stuff. How did
your husband react to that? Does he believe you? Is
he questioning you? How did it affect your daughter the
day before Mother's Day?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
The thing is my daughter I think thinks it's funny.
My son not so much. Yeah, and because Jeff Wessler
is privy to everything, all of my texts, all of
my encounters, so it's like he's kind of laughing about it.
There's no we don't. He feels bad for me. I've
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never experienced anything like this. I went on to reality TV,
so I suppose I signed up for it. I guess
this is sometimes what comes with it, But I've never
experienced anything like this, and you know, I'm not. My
problem is not that my merit about my marriage is
going to suffer from this, or my children are going
to think that I've done something. That's not the problem.
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The problem is that something was said about me that
is categorically untrue. It's a lie. It was put on
social media. Again, I get it. I get that Sierra
has been screwed, not just once, not just twice, now
many times. I know why people love her. I sat
by her on a plane. I've watched her. She is
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a nurse, she's kind, she is she loved Wes Wilson.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Have you tried to reach out to Sierra.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I don't have her number, and I don't know that
she would want to right now. But I don't have
I get it, I really do. But I didn't hurt
Sierra and her saying that about me. Putting that out
there about me is hurtful. You know. It's like it's
I do have a family, even though if my family
is not affected by it. You guys have family, well,
I would.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Say they are affected by I would think that anybody's
family woul be affected by it. Yeah, I'm just putting
any any doubt in anybody's mind that if you had
an affair or not, is not a great feeling.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
They know, they they feel bad for me. I mean
they didn't my They didn't like seeing me in bed
all day on Mother's Day. Right, So, but it's so stupid,
you guys. Honestly, I have no I maybe I said
gold to retrieve for puppy, because that's what he is
to me, like a little kid. There's nothing to me.
I know, clearly people think he's very attractive. He doesn't
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do it for me. I never said to me either,
never said he did it for me. And watch what
Happens Live, I said, Evan Goldschneider did, and Jackie said,
Wes Wilson did. This is all up I'd never had.
There's there's nothing there, there's no there, there, there's nothing
you know, And.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I mean, you've been married to Jeff for over twenty
five years. How did he react when this came out?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I told you guys, you laughed at first. He was like,
are you fucking kidding me with this? But again, I
can show you every single read to you, every single
text that's gone down between me and Wes Wilson, Jeff
Bessler seeing every single one of them, our producer seeing
every single one of them. Some of them, she's like
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what was she She was like everyone with the's like, listen, honeybait, honey,
boo boo. Please try to relax, sweetheart. Everything is going
to be okay. I love your second mom. There's no
like baby. I'll meet you at the Stanhope at three,
they're just not Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I mean because your daughter was responding to Ciara online listen,
she's my daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I don't think it was directly to Siara, was it.
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I know she put up something about me being resilient,
or she put something like oh yeah, guys, or some
kind of thing on her story.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Maybe I didn't say it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I don't know. You guys, I mean, if you, I
know you haven't gone through this, either one of you,
but if you've been through shit like this where people
are lying about you, so you're asking me how it feels.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, it happens all the time. I mean last season
on the show, somebody came out and said I had
an affair with some boy band in person, which is
an absolute lie.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And so how do you write? So what do you
do with that?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Exactly? Oh? I was.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I was pissed off, and I knew that this person
had tried to get the story out for many many years,
thinking that she had something on me, which was a
complete lie. It was somebody that I was friends with,
his wife.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And how did it? So did Eddie react to that?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, Eddie had known that she's been doing this for years,
So it wasn't a surprise at the time, But then
I feel like it puts questions, you know, the very
first time you hear something like that, it puts a
question in your spouse's mind, like did you do it?
Because if I heard about Eddie and all these you know,
chain of events came up, I'd be like, did you
do that?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Did you stick with somebody?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That's not our experience. We are old, we've been through it,
this is not our lives or not.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Well, I wouldn't be honest if I didn't say like
I would have asked, like, did you do it? Just
give me the answer yes or no?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Didn't I would He didn't even ask. He was he
was outraged. I was outraged. And the thing is, if
if I did it, okay, then there should if somebody
knows that I did it, please please show me, please
show all of us, Please bring the proof.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah. So daughter responded directly on threads to Sierra and
she said, girl, be so for real, you're making up
a lie because she said West was a nice guy.
This has gone way too far.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
I have to agree not that. And again I'm not
piling up on Sierra. I don't know what. I don't know.
Did Wes. Could West have told her that. I don't
know what reason he would have, but I guess I
don't know West. It's quite possible as well as I
thought that I did. I don't know why somebody would
front that they slept with an older woman, but maybe
that's the thing. Now. I can't answer any of those questions.
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All I could tell you is, if you're going to
say something, show me the proof.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
If you that's I was just going to ask you,
if you could say something to Sarah, what would you
say to her?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Show me the proof. Again, I'm not interested in piling
up on Siera. I'm going to keep saying that because
we had this conversation on the plane, you guys, and
I swear to you, we both left it like we
were very honest with each other about something I'm not
even going to share. And remember this is after filming bravokon,
so they had already gone through their summer, right, So
there was something that happened that she thought about me
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from filming that past season. I saw her on the plane.
Were they in the mid were they mid filming at
that point or were they done filming. I don't even.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Because it was summer.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So it's November, right Bravokan. Yeah, I think what's going
to happen during that season. This past season of filming,
we saw each other at Bravakhan. I sat in front
of her, I turned around and her and I had
this really lovely conversation. Bronwin was actually there as well,
and at the end of it, I was like, I
love her. And I actually wrote to Wes Wilson just
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so you know, I absolutely love Sierra and so that's
in all of these texts as well. So I'm not
interested in being like Sierra or She's been through enough
and I hope she wins Dancing with the Stars. But
it wasn't nice. It's not nice, but something that's not
true on social media.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I agree with that. I agree with that. Do you
know if West and Amanda are still together?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, yes, him, let's let's go. Let's go about you.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Guys talk you text.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
So we are friendly, we are not friends, and I
don't want to know nothing that's going on with him
and Amanda. I got the truth is, Unfortunately I don't
want to be friendly anymore. This is not what I
was bargaining for He's a nice guy who did really
nice things for me, and I did some nice things
for him. In terms of yes, of course, I'll introduce
you to Dolores. You're gonna love her. Here's Derinda. I
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got you back West. I actually said on this podcast
that I do feel like you are such a nice guy.
You don't mean any harm. Thank you, Jen, I love you,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Did you watch this season of Summerhouse.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I started to after the scandal came out. I didn't
watch the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, I mean, because I mean, I hear what you're saying.
But I also watched this season, and like there were
parts where he went out of his way to make
Sierra feel.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Like shit, I don't tell me.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Then they were at a party at the house and
a girl had come over sat on his lap, yes,
and he's like pretty much having to scoot Sierra over
so he could make out with Yeah, it was gross.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Jen.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I want to tell you. I think it is possible
that he probably told people he slept with you. Yeah
that my gut is telling me that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Okay, I mean, I would just be very careful. I
would just if I had slept with him, though, guys, it's.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Not cool on his part to say, yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You think that. I don't realize that. I asked him
point blank, I said, is this did you actually tell?
He said to me, Jen, I swear to you, I
have never said ever that I slept with anyone, much
less you that I didn't sleep with Never.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
He said it.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And watch what Happens live though. Yeah, but these guys
on these casts, there's too much he slept with somebody,
yea with someone, so he can't say that he never
says he slept with anybody else.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
But he said that he slept with someone older. He
probably did. I have not taken that away from him.
Maybe he did sleep with so old. It's just because
he's saying to me he never lied, has ever lied
about somebody that he slept with. I don't know this
kid as well as maybe I thought that I did.
Maybe he did. I heard that too, that he went
on and talked about it and I asked him about it.
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But at the end of the day, gys, it just
doesn't matter because I didn't sleep with him. Yeah, whatever
it is, whatever, show me, show me the proof. Somebody
bring something out there. I'm happy to address any proof
that anybody has, Please.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Could you possibly respond to Ciara and apologize?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I was too enthusiastic with my backing up of West.
He has heard her Amanda has hurt her and it
was like, oh, you know, he's like a puppy dog.
He doesn't mean it. He's a good at heart. I
do believe he has a good heart. But he did
really really hurt her. So I apologize for being So
what is the word you guys, flip? Supportive or supportive? Right?
(30:47):
I do apologize for that, but I don't apologize for
something that I didn't do right. And I don't think
it was nice, even though I understand where it was
coming from. I don't think it was nice that she
would put a lie about me on social media.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Do you think she Owes you an apology?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I do.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Do you think that she's under the impression that that
really happened?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
See, I just can't imagine her saying she's a smart
girl to say something like that unless somebody that's why
I said, I think Wes.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But even if that's the case, that's not even if
Wes was I try to use these supid fucking words
fronting whatever you call it. Oh, so which I don't
know why that would be a front. But let's say
he did. That's still not proof. It's not stuff on
social media saying that Jen had sex with Wes Wilson
when Jen did never ever had sex with Wes Wilson
(31:41):
doesn't make it true just because people are gossiping, as
you all know as well as I do, because we've
all been gossiped about.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Right, I mean, we've all been gossiped about, But I
think there's also you know, a line that is it's
hard when you when you think that your friends with
somebody that you're doing these shows with because you all
have a common bond, and then you know, relationships are formed,
and then it just blows up because you know, the
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I don't know how to say it other than the
way that like, yes, I think you truly believe you
guys were friendly, right, but at the end of the day,
everybody's out for themselves.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, wells industry.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, let's let's say it was true. Do you think
it's okay for somebody to try to blow up somebody
else's life and social media like that?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yes, if it's true, If.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's true, you think it's okay.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah, then it's not liable, then it's not defamation. It
was true, Yeah, she could say it. Why not?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I just I don't know when you're blowing off, somebody's
blowing up somebody's life.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That's mad.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
She's been screwed, she was lied to, not by you,
not by me. But if it was true, could she
put it on social media? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Could? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
How come? What made you kind of make the decision
to write that Instagram story where you were saying the
thing about the defamation because I think I probably would
have just left it.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Everyone says that to me. Everyone's like, just leave it,
It'll go away. And I'm thinking, right, I know there's
going to be another news story tomorrow. Of course there's
going to be. But for me, even my publicist and
all the people that love me, well, no, it's been mixed.
Say let it go away, let it go away. But
(33:37):
I've had a very wise person that said to me,
first of all, you let it go away. There are
so many examples of like the woman at the cold
at the Coldplay concert, what is it? What concert? Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I know who kissed the boss And she.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Never said anything, and she never said anything, and she
never said anything and it blew up on her and
it could have been squashed.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
But I think it could have blown up on her regardless.
I mean she was kissing.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Right right, Well, that's right, she was. That's the difference,
of course. But I'm saying, there's a lot of people
telling me you shouldn't have said anything, you shouldn't have
done anything, and you shouldn't do anything, you shouldn't get
on with Tamer and Teddy. I get a lot of
that because you're just gonna make it bigger and everyone's
gonna only hear what they want to hear. But who cares.
I know that it didn't happen. Who cares? But you're
asking me if I should have said that about what
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I wrote down. The truth is, I'm being completely honest.
We did call a lawyer, and I thinking that I
have to walk around. I mean I think about like
going to the beach this summer and with my kids,
and I get stopped sometimes as the whatever. Oh she
was on the Housewives, she was the old woman that
slept with Wes Wilson. Like that's not fair. And so
(34:52):
there's like danger in that you can't just say whatever
you want unless it's true. You can if it's.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
True, right, So who do you think you slept with
that he was talking about? And watch what happens?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I well, I know, no, I know what it's. He's
something you're old person he slept with. I don't want
to know.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, I'll hear you on that. Well, John, I just
want to say thank you so much for telling your
side of the story. I know it hasn't been easy.
We haven't been easy on you as well, but we,
like the viewers, want to tell you.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Guys, were fine. I want you to ask the questions.
I want you to help me because I know that
all of this is floating out there right like that
pizza video, Well, I want Jeff Fesser took that picture
that uh he brought you to watch what Happens live? Yeah,
because Dolores was supposed to be on with him, so
he asked me if I wanted to go, you can ask.
Feel free to call Delores and ask her. Yeah, it
was going on because it was going to be Wes
(35:40):
and Delors. How much fun was that going to be? Yeah?
All of the text between us, I'm happy to send
them to you, guys. I got nothing to hide, and
I'm not mad at Sierra, and I know what she's
been through, but it's just not nice. You can't just
post a lie on social media in this day and
age and you know think that it's not going to
(36:00):
have an effect.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It does. Yeah, I mean, I agree with what you're saying.
I personally. I mean, I've been through a situation where
I've had talked to like you know, something was going
on with my business all in and people were just
attacking me like crazy, and I wanted to respond to
every single thing. I wanted to make jokes about it.
(36:23):
I wanted to do whatever. I hired a crisis management
company and they were like, Teddy, do not say one word.
Do not say one word.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yeah, there's a lot of that is a lot of
people have that view that you should just say nothing.
I don't know, but and I don't know for sure
that it wasn't West that created this whole scenario and
that he wasn't spending his summer telling people that we
slept it. I don't know that. I can't know that right,
(36:53):
But I can only tell you what I know for sure,
which is I've never slept with Wes Wilson. I've never
wanted to leap with Wes Wilson. No offense was never
into younger men. Evidence by my husband who is older.
I don't. I'm just trying to be silly right now.
There was never anything sexual between us ever, ever, ever, ever. Yeah,
(37:14):
and so it was very hurtful to have a lie
put on social media about me. Now, is it possible
that that lie that Sierra believes it because that's what
Wes told her. Yeah, that's possible, But all of that's
nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah. Well, on that note, I just want to thank
you so much for coming on here again and opening
up about this. And you know, it's hard to be
judged like that, and when you didn't do something.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Doc I really do, it's really tough. And can you
can feel under your demeanor that you're sad that you're bombed?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Of course it's such a bomber, you know, it's like
and also just coming from Sierra, who again is like
she is the world's princess right now, she's And I
know that I did defend him, but I love for
that conversation on the plane that we had. Was it
meant something to me? It was like a really honest,
open conversation which I will not go into but I'm
(38:09):
rooting for her so yeah. Also, you know, like, why
would you lie about me? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Anyway, all right, guys, all right, we're thinking about you.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Thank you, Bye bye you guys,
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