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November 13, 2024 34 mins

Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay is honored to welcome in 20-year military veteran and one of the world's leading experts on how to train soldiers for the new battlefield, JC Glick. JC served in the U.S. Army as an infantry officer, primarily in Special Operations and Special Missions Units with more than 11 combat tours. Since retiring from the military, JC has brought his innovative and unconventional thoughts on education, leadership and resiliency into the private sector, consulting with Fortune 500 companies, the NFL and professional sports teams including the Denver Broncos and the Carolina Panthers!

 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Lazer. I'm
Jay Glazer and look it's we just had Veterans Day.
And every year Veterans Day, I try and bring in
a veteran who will have so much respect for we'll
have toun of love for.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the past, we've had on Brian Stan, We've.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Had on Kirstyennis Well, We've had on Doc Jacobs, We've
had on some people with just amazing people.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
And this year we're.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Following suit longtime Army ranger on here named j. C.
Glick who has done jac How many tours?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Get eleven combat tours?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
How long were you in for?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Twenty years?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Twenty years?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Talking about a guy who loves his country, serves his country,
but he is a warrior. But he's much a warrior.
The physical part is he is from his heart in
between his ears, and he and I really leaned a
lot on each other over the year, trying to help
out veterans, trying to help guys in transition, trying to
help guys who are still active deal with you know
what goes on behind your ribcage, with your the actions

(01:10):
of being a veteran, and then what happens after the
uniform comes off?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Where do you go? So man, I'm so proud to
call you brother. Have you have you on here?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
One of my favorite humans in the world. By the way, Jase,
how big are you? Six?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Six? Three two? Get bigger than that six?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I like that you think I'm bigger than that.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
That makes me do Before he lifts his ass off
plays lacrosse, I'm like, I won't want this motherfucker hitting
you with a lacrosse stick and come a barrel and
I may shit. So welcome in, brother, Welcome in. Been
too long, it.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Has it has. Thank you for thank you for having me.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
And you know I would be remiss if I didn't
say thank you for all that you do. And it's
not just for veterans. You do for everybody, but I'm
gonna specifically say for veterans. You're You're an incredibly generous
human being. You care, you know more than anybody that
I've met. You know, in your position, you you really
give and I and even this podcast, right, it's about

(02:04):
helping others, you know, it's that lift while you climb piece,
that that you know we talk about all the time,
and I love that about you.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it. Well, look, hey, we
are on Veterans' Day.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
And I always had a Veteran's Day message of hey,
this holiday is about you, so we should celebrate you.
And what I used to do with my events is
i'd say, hey, give me something you could celebrate about yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Right, we're all celebrating.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
It is a holiday for you, so give me something
you can celebrate about yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And JAC used to have the hardest time with this question.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Right, Well, like you just because you're not in brain
and like I know, our vets don't do this for glory.
In fact, it's the other way around. We don't want
the attention, right the guys who are doing it for
the right reasons. But I said, man, it's going to
be a harder existence if you're moving forward, if you
don't have those things that you're proud of. We've got
to figure out what you could be proud of, whether

(02:54):
that's teammates, whether that's people you've saved, whether that's relationships
after whether it's just something you accomplished right, there's so
many things you.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Can be proud of. Then you got there to me,
but you got there.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Right, I did, I did, I did, and I'm I'm
I'm really proud of the you know, the units that
I come from, the units that built me, and what
I can do now with what the foundations that they
gave me. I'm proud that I can continue. You know,
I've been saying a lot recently. I got it from
a friend of mine who runs a National Veterans Memorial museum.

(03:28):
You don't have to wear a uniform and serve to
serve your nation, right, Serving your community is serving your nation,
and so that idea of like services over when the
uniform comes off.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
And that's what I'm really proud of, right, is that
I got to continue to serve even after all that
stuff came off, and it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
And also, I think a guy like you, who has
led so many of our men and women in the military,
I think that's the thing you think, Oh man, I
can't lead me more what you can. There's so many
other ways where you could take what you use in
the military and leave lead moving forward.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Absolutely absolutely, it's one of the things that that people
have to understand that when they transition, right, they they
don't need an MBA. They've got the you know, the
military Business administration degree, right. I mean, they've led more
people the most senior vice presidents have. You know, we've
we've just got to get the public to understand that,
you know, hiring a veteran, you're not doing them a favor.

(04:22):
They're making your organization better. You're doing yourself a favor.
You're doing your organization a favor.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, you know, And you know this used to draw
me crazy because we couldn't get vets hired because they're
ingrained not to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
So while everybody else is lying on the resume, you
guys have been on the other way.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, how are we supposed to get your job if
you're dumbing down what you're saying? So, I think jac
that's one of the biggest uphill challenges we have is
to get our vets to be proud of what they've
done and then be able to put it on paper.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Hey, like, look, we just had one of the leaders
of Delta kim to me that I met through you,
and they was so innocuous. I'm like, bro, I can't
get you a leadership job, but you led the most
elite killing force on the planet. You set up safehouses
right under El Kada. You have extracted people when nobody
else can. And your resume looks like you're, you know,

(05:12):
coming out of University of Michigan trying to get an
entry level job. He's like, well, I can't talk about
this stuff. We got to figure out a when you can. Hey,
I led the most elite team in the world, with
the most calm under chaos.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
You could imagine.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Our structure was this, our scheduling was this, our organization
was this. We accomplished this, then you could do it.
But Jacy was so hard for me age him to
do that.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
It's impa and that's you know, I spend most of
my time. We hear a young lady a week ago.
I was with that guy last night, by the way,
but where I was, we had a lady going out
and she, you know, she's talking, she's talking, and she's like,
why was a ship driver?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I said, stop it.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
If you commanded a two billion dollar piece of national strategy,
stop with I was a ship driver. It's ludicrous. You
were how many? How many are there? She's like, well,
less than one hundred. I'm like, yeah, like less than fifty, right,
So how could you say that you were selected to
do this? Tell people it's it is, it's the it's

(06:14):
the toughest piece that we that we have to convince
these folks. And you know, we're getting better at it.
We're getting better at explaining, like, hey, look, the values,
the things that you're coming out with are already awesome,
and you got to tell people that they're awesome because
it's what they want in their organizations. Everybody's saying, I
don't have team players, I don't have people that collaborate.
I don't have people that are mission focused. Yeah, military

(06:37):
folks are, and you know, for whatever reason, in the
civilian world we think, oh, we're doing them a favor
and they're low skilled and they can work for you know,
minimum wage, and I'm like, no, these are people who
who need to be put in leadership positions of the
highest caliber.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
And you know, it's funny back to this, like we
had a Navy special warfare who stole internet right under
Alcava's nose to set up safe houses, and.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
When he came back here couldn't get an IT job.
Which is sad, ridiculous, not acceptable, but.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
He didn't know how to explain what he did or
feel comfortable. And like, listen, who if I have a company,
I need an IT guy. Am I taking the kid
from Stanford? Who Stanford's big? Or? Am I taking the
guy who stole internet right from Alcatta and set up
a safe house to keep people safe? That's why I'm
grabbing it. How do we get guys jac to start

(07:35):
being able to describe what they've done better for the workforce?
How can we get them to move forward better? Like, Hey,
I did this and this and this, so that's why
I'm better shooting for this job at anybody else.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
So I think I think there's there's three pieces. Is
We've got to help them with identity. Okay, because when
we're in the military, identity is wrapped in and what
we did. And so I it was a special operations guy.
I this is who I was. Now we've got to
show you know all the things that make you who
you are allowed you to do that. So you're loyal,
and you're smart, and you're adaptive and you're a problem solver.

(08:13):
And so we've got to teach them to identify who
they are, and then we've got to help them with purpose. Right,
So we had this grandiose idea of purpose, like support
and de fund the Constitution in the States, kill.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
You know, enemies. That's what we do.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, Well, sometimes we also wax floors and sometimes we
also pull guard duty, and we do a bunch of
like that stuff. So it's about, hey, how do we
show that your purpose is in every single moment and
so that you're not looking for some grandiose purpose, you're
experiencing purpose. And it's you know, as I was telling
you before, I think it's something that you've done really

(08:48):
well this last year. As I see you, you know,
as I see you interact with the community around you,
is you find purpose in every single moment. If you're
talking to me, your purpose is right now, if you're
hanging out with Rosie, it's ay. My purpose is to
be the best husband I can. If you're if you're
on set, it's my purpose is to be the best
reporter and best teammate for the guys that I work with.

(09:10):
And that's that's what we bring and it's what we do.
And we've just got to convince people. No, Yeah, your
purpose hasn't changed. You're still trying to make everything better
than when you found it. And then the last piece.
And you've been such a big player in this is tribe.
We've got to let them know they're not alone because
you get out in the out of the military and

(09:31):
people aren't like us. They're not built like us. I mean,
the military has built us a certain way to be.
You know, we guys, not me guys. And you got
to find all those we guys and there's lots of
them out there, and they didn't all serve you.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
You're a we guy, You're not a me guy.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
And that's what we've got to go do because me
guys don't survive in the military, and the truth is
me guys shouldn't survive very well in the civilian world.
They do, but we've got to we've got to create
a community that's filled with wei.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You're right, like once the uniform comes off, your badass
where he doesn't just leave.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's not like badass. It's not because of the uniform.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's I always say, right, we're spos to find your
ribcage that got you to be that, that goes on
forever and ever the uniform comes off now and people
are like, oh, man, I used to do this or
I used to do that and used to I'm always like, no, motherfucker,
you did this, and that's different. I had a sing
with jac and I we with a foundation we work
with called it said, uh, motherfucker, I'm different. The first

(10:31):
thing you said when you're in there, motherfucker, I'm different.
Damn right, you're different. Different is good. Different leads to success.
And I think too many events come back home and
they just try and fit in. Don't be a face
in the crowd, be a crowd, be your own fucking crowd.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Well, And unfortunately that's one of the problems that we
have is all the programs are set up to help
people find a job, and to find a job, they
tell you you got to fit in. You got to
adapt to the way it is in the civilian world. No,
you got to understand the way it is in the
civilian world. Don't change who you are, because what made
you great there is going to make you great everywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Give me the most badass mission that you did while
you were serving, that you could talk about that, You're like, man,
I'm proud of that.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
That was awesome, all right, I actually, this is really easy.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
We were I was a commander of a strike force,
the National Strike Force in Afghanistan. We were going after
a high value target. It was a huge target snow
on the ground. We went in. It was a significant
firefight going in closes. I ever thought to probably you know,

(11:39):
buying it. I thought, okay, well this might be it.
The guys, the guys fought cleared this place. I mean,
they were amazing, right, they killed it. They we got
all these guys. But we consolidate on the target. We
consolidate one place where we put the military age males,
and then where we put the women and children in

(12:00):
a separate place. And I was waiting for the women
and children. And it was big. It was a big compound.
But it was taking a really long time. And look
we got people were actually watching this in DC. They
were watching what we were doing. And look, we've got
aircraft in the air like we're on a timeline. Stuff's
going to run out of fuel. It's take a long time.

(12:20):
And I'm trying to have patients. I'm trying to have patients,
and I'm just about to call and say, hey, where
are you? And on the ridge, I see these rangers
and one's pulling security and like another one has like
two kids in his arms, and then other one's got
a woman on his back and a kid in front,
and they're carrying these women and children through the snow

(12:41):
and they bring them to my spot, and the squad
leader just comes to me and goes, they didn't have shoes,
and I went wow, right, And so so you sit
there and you think these guys were just they were
they were doing God's work. They were just in this
incredible firefight. And then they saw that the women in
chldren didn't have shoes, so they didn't make them walk

(13:02):
through the snow. They carried them. And had they walked
them through the snow, I never would have thought about it.
We've been like, hey, we got a time to go.
But they knew now that's that's not the right thing
to do. They did the right thing. And I had
never been more proud of a group of individuals before
in my life.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
That is so cool, man, that's awesome. I love it.
And yeah, I've heard a lot of the story too
for you guys.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
When when I ask you guys, what you're most proud of,
a lot of times it was like, hey, we put
sandals on these children in Afghanistan, the first time they've
ever had shoes, you know, when we liberated this little towner,
you know, something they've done for a family who had
been an enemy combatant.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
But the human side came out. It's pretty well.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Look, that's That's what makes our fighting force amazing, is that?
And what makes us different as a nation. Right, We
don't fight and kill out of hate or anger. We
fight and kill because that's our job. And then when
that's over, our job is to take care of people.
And and I'll tell you these these I mean, to

(14:05):
a person, everyone an absolute warrior, like a dude you
would not want to fuck with. And yet they just
did the right thing at the right time, for the
right reason when nobody, nobody would have said anything if
they didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's cool, man, that is awesome. I love that. Tell
what else I'm working on it lately.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Well, you know, so I'm the CEO of the Commit Foundation,
which takes you know, the top five percent. So we
get about two hundred thousand veterans get out every year.
Will Commit serves about the top five percent of those
that get out that want their next chapter to be
better than their last. They want to have impact on
the world, they want to continue to serve, and we

(14:46):
help them find we help them design their.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Life for the future.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Right, So we we work on identity, purpose, community, and service.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
So we invest. We invest about.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Twenty k into each individual to start into each individual
participant and then we're a lifeline, lifetime organization. So let's say,
you know, you get out, you start working for Deloitte,
and you're killing it Deloitte, and you go, I don't
want to do this anymore. I want to go to
the NFL. Okay, come back. We do a little bit
more coaching and we connect you with folks so you

(15:20):
can go to the NFL. And you know, we want
to make sure that great leaders continue to get to
be great leaders elsewhere. Right, So they were great leaders someplace, well,
now let's let them get great leaders elsewhere. And I
think that's really important. So we helped set the conditions
to do that. You know, personally, I'm I'm going to school.
I went back to school to get to get a

(15:42):
doctorate at Columbia University, which has the most veterans of
any Ivy League school of any school in the country.
Finished a third book, doing a lot of writing to
try to try to convince people that we're all in
this together.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Love it. I love it. Yeah, you've always been like this.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
And again Jac and I we've done a lot of
life coaching, if you will, for the foundation we're part
of called MVP, and then just outside of that also
he's got a lot of guys that he's linked up
with me and it is and jac knows it has
always been I need that you're saying, I need that purpose.
But for me, being of service is one of the
things that helps me between the years. He gets the

(16:24):
roommates in my head to not tell me that I'm
such a piece of shit all the time. So by
being able to work with veterans constantly trying to again
teach guys, hey man, your experiences. You got to use
this for your next step of life. And you you know,
one of the first guys that were helped Bill at Ruiz.
I'm like, why are you looking always looked down? And
he's like, well, man, you know, my wife has to

(16:45):
put my pants on me. I'd saved these American POWs.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Whoa whoa, whoa whoa. You saved the American POWs. Remember
I was like, Hey, Elliott, from now on, motherfucker, you're different.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
You look at us above us, above my eye line
because you're different than everybody else.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
What am I just supposed to change the way of
viewing myself? Yeah? Today? Now it takes a second second, right,
And he did. He was able to.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
But the gift that you've all given me where I
could help lift up veterans. And I'll tell you this too, Jesse.
I just got an a war of the American Legion
and I told.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh that congratulations, And.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I told everybody there, and it's worth more for the
mental health stuff that I've done, And I said, open
up to a bunch of combat vets. Gave me the
courage to open up to the world. Like, had I
not done that with all you guys, I don't know
if I.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Would have done it with everybody else.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
But the fact that you guys embraced it and learned
from it and like oh fuck, like you know, didn't
show me or embarrass me or shame me over it. Truly,
you guys were gaining the courage to then go talk
about it to the world and give the mental health
words to the entire world.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It all came from you guys.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Now, well, you know you had the strength to do it.
You had the strength to do it, and that's something
that you know somebody. I was just given a talk
just today and you know, I shared about, you know,
my four suicide attempts. And you know, one of my
folks said, hey, does it get any easier every time
you share it? And I said, it doesn't, But it

(18:11):
gets more important every time I share it, because if
I'm sharing it somebody else who might feel that way,
it gives them the courage to speak their truth. And
I think, look, you're not alone. I mean, I think
you can get in that space where the voices in
your head are telling you that you're jacked up and
there's something wrong with you and why are you thinking

(18:32):
this way?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Man?

Speaker 5 (18:34):
So many of us are struggling with with life. Life is.
Life is complex, It's got a lot of chip to it.
And we're soft, goushy things. And you know, we can
pretend it like stuff doesn't bother us. But it's okay
to say, no, I was. I was in a bad
spot because the idea of the human existence is to
get iteratively better. Right, your job, you see your job

(18:56):
as how do I make sure other people don't fall
into the trap that I was in. I see it
the same way. How do I make sure that you know,
the next guy who's getting out doesn't struggle with the
same things I struggled with.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
My pain is to help others through theirs.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
And for a long time I just felt I was
cursed and I had this crazy thing like the universes
against me, and and Universe and God.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Are for us. They're not against us. But the roommates
in your head don't tell you that a lot.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
And once I I was in Thailand actually or kind
of would learn this meditation for these monks, and and
once it kind of slowed down, I looked at him
like I literally got like a It was my voice,
but it was like a voice like, hey, listen, no
one's against you.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
You had to go through this pain so you can
help others with THEIRS. And I was like wow.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
And then the voice said and at the same time,
we need you to see we made all your other
dreams come true to keep you afloat. And that was powerful,
you know, because when you get down like that again,
you've had suicide attempts. I've had suicide, you know, suicidid
ideologies just without sky has fallen.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
That sky has fallen.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
So to be able to hear that from me, like, man,
you're and the crazy shit is like, I know, my
life is great, just between my ears sucks successful, right,
and it's unfortunately those voices get a little bit too loud,
But I think that's what our pain is there for Jess,
you've had your four suitt attempts and you were able
to because you've had that, I guarantee you prevented at

(20:25):
least one person from doing as a result talking about it,
and there's way more than one.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
I hope, So I hope.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
So I think that I think that we get an
image for you know, here's this here's this guy who's
successful who's on TV all the time, or here's this
guy who's this big ranger who's done a lot and
commanded at the highest levels. And I think, you know,
they see the very top of the iceberg. They don't
see all the stuff that built that. And you know,
I tell people all the time, you know, two of

(20:52):
my suicide attempts, I was making more money than I
ever thought i'd make. I was doing stuff that I
never thought i'd do. And but I didn't know who
I was, and I knew I did. I didn't know
how to be, you know, a good dad. I didn't
know how to be a good partner. I didn't know
how to do all those things. And you know, you
feel like a failure. And I think you know now

(21:12):
we're all just trying to figure out how to How
am I the best partner I can be to my
significant other? How how can I provide the best guidance
I can to you know, my kids? And you know
I don't need to be an example to them. I
need to be able to give them guidance from the
mistakes that I've made, you know, And how do I
do that for my you know, fellow veterans that you

(21:33):
know we're lucky enough to have served, you know, five
thousand and these are all people who I think are
way better than me. They're amazing, they're like they're they're unbelievable.
And if we can help them feel the same kind
of joy, not happiness, the joy right you chase happiness.
Joy is internal and sometimes sometimes you're sad. Sometimes bad

(21:54):
shit happens and you feel bad, and that's okay. But
as long as that joy you know. I can look
I can look at my wife Jen and be like,
oh my god, I am I am so happy. I
can look at my kids and they're happy, and and
you sit there and you're like, okay, I have this joy.
So even when it's bad, now I go, yeah, but oh,
pro like this is good.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I had an NFL player recently say to me, Jay,
please tell me this light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I said, what do you mean? It was pretty pretty strong.
This is actually in front of his entire team.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I came into the mental health talk about this unbreakable
mindset of Hey, when you're on the football field or
you're in that cage, if I'm hurt or tired, you
will fucking never ever ever, No, you'll never see our
guys in our hands on our hips, you'll never see
us up and bump, you'll never see you go fucking
tap out ever in between rounds, and we don't take
a stool. But it's the same mentality. It gets people

(22:48):
like me want to throw ourselves off a bridge, away
from field or away from a cage, and like, I
need to do the opposite.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I need us.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
You got to talk about it, You got to open
up but also when you open up to your he's like,
you know, you and I become brothers. We would go
from friends to brothers when we start talking about this.
Those are bonds, right. So I start talking about this
in front of this team and I'm telling them about like, hey,
if you guys are like nervous, like I can't do that,
I be ashamed. I tell him the first time I

(23:17):
ever wrote, what about mental health? Mercedes Lewis, so I
trained for fifteen years. First text, two minutes later put
on social media. I was horrid, fact to social media,
and he said, coach, I knew you were crazy and
it's a badge of honor in football fighting, but I
didn't know you in pain. I'm sorry I got you.
And there's not been a fucking week since when he

(23:40):
does not call to a mental health check upon me.
Doesn't sound like you're shamed me or stray hand said
to me, why have you never told me?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I said, I was fucking ashamed of you.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
He said, yeah, but you took away my chance to
be your best friend for thirty years, right, think about that.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
So we're not a nuisance people. So this kid says
to me, please tell.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Me his life at the other time from the whole
team says, I try to kill myself two months ago
in front of this whole team, which is never done
inside an NFL locker room.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Many dudes get up, come over, man, we got you, bro,
we got He's crying. They're crying, man, we got you. Well.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
My answer to him was, the light at the end
of the tunnel is exactly what you and I are
talking about here at jac say. You just saying that
in this room you may just saved someone's life. You
don't know, but you may have just saved someone's life, right,
And I said, but more than anything, your pain, if
you could share it with others, with others, it's going

(24:37):
to help them through theirs.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I said, there's the crazy stop.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
No, no, the romates in my head, never fucking you
sit down a dinner table to eat nicely together. No,
it says not how it is, right, but man, you
could save so many other people with that pain. And
again I know, like there's so many people. As players
came up to me after going mister Wheeler's talk we
ever heard.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
We always get like therapists in this that talk therapy.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
It's like we need that, but we need real tooth
to know what really goes on with everybody else. And
again that's I think what you've done, and you've talked
about hopefully a lot, and I've seen you when you
talk about your suicide attempts, seeing guys who are in
a hole and all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Lift themselves up.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Man. So again, and I love you for what you've
done for a country, but I really love you for
how much you're able to put your pain out there
to help other people.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Well, you know you and I have talked to a
couple of times, and you gave me the platform to
do it. Is I believe that our vulnerability is our superpower.
We're truly the toughest, baddest muldoons when we can be vulnerable,
because nobody can take away all the other stuff. Like
if I can show you the broken part, the fragile part,

(25:49):
the damage part, what are you possibly going to do
to me that doesn't take away all the badass stuff
that I've been able to accomplish. But being able to
share that and being brave in that and saying look this,
I'm a human and I thought I screw up a
lot of shit, and and what I can't say is

(26:10):
while the voices never go away, you can make them quieter, right,
you can make them quieter, and they have a lot
less power when you just acknowledge, Yeah, they're there, they're there,
and I know when they come and I go, oh no,
I'm not supposed to listen to this, Like I got
other I've got other things.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
To go forward and do.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
But also now we for all those years, you know,
totally different world again.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
I've always thought there was a connection between certainly the NFL,
but at the sports and and and Warriors is you know,
we're all team on the field, but then we suffer
in silence. And you know, one of the things about
Ranger School is you're suffering together like and it's a
lot you're allowed to say if this sucks, like okay,

(26:57):
let's look like, hey, can you take this out of
my rucksack because I can't carry it anymore? Can you
help me carry it? And that's what we got to
We got to continue to share what's in our rucksack.
And sometimes it means putting some stuff in your rucksack.
You know, let me take that for you, and I'll
carry that for a little bit before I.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Lets you got tuber of questions. One, why you tell
that story when you're not first thing?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
A badass tell the story. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
So when when we were let's see, like two thousand
and it had to be like two thousand and eight,
and you know, the the bad guys that were operating
in Iraq, they had this tattoo of a moon, crescent
and a star. There was a guy with that tattoo
and I said, oh, hey, so you were in al

(27:44):
Ambar and.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
He and he looks at me and he'say, yeah, and
he goes, ha, do you know that. I'm like, what's
on your what's on your hand?

Speaker 5 (27:51):
He's like uh, like he got like kind of sheepish
and he's like, but we were rounding those dudes up
all the time.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I thought you pulled that guy out specifically, Like so
I pulled you out of sit down palace.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Like, well, no, I said, I know, you don't I
And he's like, yeah, you might have.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I said, no, no, I remember where we were.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
We were here.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
He's like, yeah, probably may.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
It would be you and Randy could Dore. H'm like, Randy,
that's a badass shit right there. He said, as a
matter of factly, oh yeah, I know you don't remember me.
It was it was some Leah Neeson taking ship you
don't remember me to you it was awesome. It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
That was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
But never forget those stories back because that's something the
rest of the world could never dream of doing, right
or they're not able to or willing to. So that's
the pride we talked about. My last question, you yeah,
your unbreakable moment, I asked all my guests this, give
me your unbreakable moment, the moment that should have broken you,
could have broken you, but didn't, and as a result,

(28:51):
you came through the other side of that tunnel stronger forever.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
I think it was when it was eighteen months after
my eleventh combat deployment and I was in a training
role and I looked at you know, I was given
a whole bunch of like administrative work right like here
I was literally eighteen months ago, I'm running and gunning,

(29:16):
and now like somebody's yelling at me about paperwork and
this doesn't sound like. Oh I was in the I
was in the trenches, and now that stuff was comfortable
to me, right like going and fighting. That was where
I belonged, and now all of a sudden, I got
into this place where okay, who are you, Like, you're
not a guy who sits by a desk and writes

(29:37):
down on it and like and checks papers that by
the way, like some civilian is telling you to do
while you're still wearing a uniform. And that was you
know that that was my first suicide attempt. And I
will say that. You know, some people say, oh, that
broke you. It didn't because I didn't go through with it.
I didn't go through with it. And for that one,

(29:58):
it wasn't because I got caught. It because I thought
about my kids and I knew that they needed me.
And I will tell you that that's that's the worst moment.
That first one was the worst moment. And you know,
you say that, you know at a four, like they
all had to be pretty bad, but it was that
first time when you just felt completely worthless, right like,

(30:20):
this isn't what I'm built for. I'm built for something else.
And I think it was that time that I realized,
that's the first time that I realized I'm built for more.
I'm built for more than this. So it's like, get
through this slug through this and let's keep going. And
I think that we're all going to get to that

(30:41):
point where where we're going to break, or we're gonna
come close to breaking. And it's that moment where you go, no, no, no, no, no,
there's more to it than this, Like there, this isn't
the end, This can't be my final chapter.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
That there's more to it.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
And you know, it still doesn't mean I mean, I
still hate paperwork, but but I will tell you that
because and everybody thinks, like, oh, what you went through,
it's got to be so tough on your brain.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
It's got to be. So that was where I was
most comfortable.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I was where I felt at home.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
It was chaos, it was it was controlled violence, it
was that was where I felt normal. Where I didn't
feel normal was you know where nobody's it's you know,
I call it the nerve world. I didn't feel normal
in a nerve world where nobody's trying to kill you.
It's just everybody's trying. It's like death from a thousand
paper cuts, and it's like, well this sucks. And being

(31:34):
able to say no, you're adaptable. You can do both.
You can keep going.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Brother, I'm glad you shourdvive that because I got a
great brother out of it too.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
I'm I'm glad, and I'm and and again, you know,
I don't think people realize how big your heart is
and how you know you're a good man. You're a
good man, and I appreciate the good man that you are.
And I will tell you that I've watched you just
the last year to be honest with you and just

(32:05):
see you become this joyful individual, like your whole tone
has changed, your whole outlook. It's been it's been a
privilege as your friend to watch this metamorphois and and
really see you, like come into this new phase.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Right, you see me my worst because you see me
as the guy who's always hurt. You know, now that
I have Rosie, the first time in my life, I
feel like I'm worthy of love. And I always felt
like I was cursed and I didn't deserve it. That's
hard to go through life like that. So you're really
fucking angry and presentful, like why does everybody else get
to get in love with me?

Speaker 4 (32:42):
You know?

Speaker 5 (32:42):
And so you've seen me my worst, So I'm keep
in mind you got Rosie, But Rosie's got you too.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
And it took me fifty four years.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And I said, listen, if it took fifty four years,
but I get hurt for eternity and I can be
like this. It's worth the way. It's never too late, right,
And I appreciate you seeing the growth. And I've worked
my ass off on the growth. I've worked so hard
on this man. And you know, people out there and
understand this is like the way I fight. And Jacy
will tell you this. I just come forward and Ford

(33:14):
and Ford and Ford and for it. And I'm relentless
and relentless, relentless. I don't stop talk business. Tried do
my insider job. It's everything. And I did the same
thing with my mental health and it was the that
was the fight of my life and I got there.
So there is light at the m of the tonel now.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, no, it was, it's it's been.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
It's been an honor to watch and cheer you on
and uh and and really you're an example, I mean
your example for all of us military athletes just humans
to understand that you know, it can get better. It's
it's about it's about continuing to drive forward.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Man I love you.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Jac glock our guest here on the Unbreakable Mental Wealth podcast.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
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